Giuliani Sacrifices Principles On Executive Clemency; Contradicts Past Statements
Giuliani Sacrifices Principles On Executive Clemency; Contradicts Past Statements
On Tuesday, former NYC Mayor Rudy Giuliani said President Bush’s decision to commute former Cheney aide “Scooter” Libby’s 2 1/2 year sentence for perjury and obstruction of justice was “reasonable” and “correct,” despite the fact that the president “quickly made the decision” without consulting the Justice Department or the pardon attorney.
Giuliani hasn’t always believed that such a hasty process was “reasonable” for executive clemency. In 1982, when he was an assistant attorney general in the Reagan DoJ, Giuliani said clemency entailed “a complex, yearlong procedure“:
According to Associate Attorney General Rudolph W. Giuliani, executive clemency involves a great number of people and a complex, yearlong procedure. Every request is subject to a detailed inquiry by the Federal Bureau of Investigation, which conducts as many as 50 interviews to flesh out each application. That background investigation is as comprehensive as any the bureau conducts on a prospective United States Attorney, Mr. Giuliani said.
The case is next studied by the pardon attorney, who makes a judgment that Mr. Giuliani reviews. His judgment, in turn, goes to Fred Fielding, the White House counsel who re-examines the files and makes his own judgment. Then, according to Mr. Fielding, every request is presented to the President for his concurrence.
In 1982, Giuliani also said that remorse was important for bestowing clemancy. “We also look at the reason for the request and a recognition that the person knows he’s done something wrong,” said Giuliani. In fact, Giuliani even “recommended that the President deny the request of an embezzler who insisted he had committed no crime.”
In 2001, while castigating former President Bill Clinton for pardoning financier Marc Rich, Giuliani said it was important to confer with prosecutors before offering executive clemency:
The op-ed piece in The New York Times raises more questions than it answers. He’s left out the trading with Iraq. Somehow he thinks that a pardon is now intended to determine whether indictments are wrongful enough. But he doesn’t talk to the prosecutor, just the defense lawyers. [Marketplace Morning Report, 2/19/01]
Libby never admitted any guilt nor did Bush consult special prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald prior to issuing his commutation. But that didn’t stop Giuliani from ignoring his previous standards and concluding that President Bush acted properly.
UPDATE: Giuliani on Larry King Live in 2001:
I think the questions the former president has created here put in doubt the pardon process, and it’s not just — you’re focusing on the Marc Rich part. He did about 50 that he didn’t run through the Justice Department.
Bush didn’t run the Libby commutation through the Justice Department either.
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THIS SUPREME FLIPFLOPPER GIVES FLIPFLOPPERS EVERYWHERE A BAD NAME!
July 5th, 2007 at 5:57 pmAnd Hillary used to think pardons were great. Especially if your a bagman like Marc Rich or Puerto Rican terrorists. Is there a point to this obviously desperate thread?
July 5th, 2007 at 5:59 pmhttp://www.huffingtonpost.com/2007/07/05/thompson-leaked-watergate_n_55034.html
Looks like Thompson's goose is cooked even before he enters the race! Couldn't happen to a more deserving moron.
July 5th, 2007 at 6:02 pmAnd Hillary used to think pardons were great. Especially if your a bagman like Marc Rich or Puerto Rican terrorists. Is there a point to this obviously desperate thread? Comment by Frank J — July 5, 2007 @ 5:59 pm
Yet no President in the history of the US has effectively halted a criminal investigation of their own administration through pardons. That's a whole different level of corruption, dishonest and hubris.
But nice try in conflating two entirely different things. Just proves exactly how st*pid you are - child.
July 5th, 2007 at 6:02 pmWe didn't even get to drain his skeletons out of his closet or have any fun with outing him - drat! Huffpo - here's one to you! Outing another criminal before he gets into the race. Gotta love it!
Amazing how the whistleblowers are now coming out of the woodwork!
July 5th, 2007 at 6:03 pmYes, the point is that Giuliani's playing a role....a role he knows absolutely nothing about and it's beginning to show. His campaign is flagging just like McCain's due to his scummy connections with Kerik et al. Let's see how he figures into the 911 plan though. Obviously, he was made to be the "annointed one" by his location. I'm sure there's fire there since there's a trail of smoke following him.
July 5th, 2007 at 6:05 pmBut but but [Insert any Clinton (including Chelsea), Kerry, any Kennedy, etc] instead of defending the supposedly "better" Repubican.
Pathetic Whiney Trolls.
July 5th, 2007 at 6:06 pmPardons are great when used for nobel purpose, not when used to cover up treasonous acts.
July 5th, 2007 at 6:07 pmThompson 2008!
Kill the Terrorists
July 5th, 2007 at 6:12 pmProtect the Borders
Punch the Hippies.
In your dreams, Frank J. When all of the prima facie evidence of Thompson's wrongdoing hits the streets, he'll be a non entity in the 08 race.
July 5th, 2007 at 6:12 pmIs there a point to this obviously desperate thread?
Comment by Frank J — July 5, 2007 @ 5:59 pm>/em>
Is there a point to this obviously desperate comment?
July 5th, 2007 at 6:13 pmFred Thompson IS finished before he enters the race! Thatttt's all for him, folks.
July 5th, 2007 at 6:14 pmThompson 2008!
Kill the Terrorists
Protect the Borders
Punch the Hippies.
Comment by Frank J
You forgot one Frank: Ignore Frank J. There I fixed your list. No need to thank me. I'm always here to help out the IQ challenged trolls who visit TP.
July 5th, 2007 at 6:14 pmSince our POTUS in Chef plays King of the Hill every afternoon between his vacation breaks, he uses his surrogate troll, Frankie the Jackoff, to fill in for him they say.
July 5th, 2007 at 6:14 pmThe Shrub: King of Memory Lapses, Brain Farts, and Early Onset Dementia.
July 5th, 2007 at 6:16 pmKill the Terrorists
Protect the Borders
Punch the Hippies.
Comment by Frank J — July 5, 2007 @ 6:12 pm
Let me translate that from your "Texas St*pid" lingo to reality - Franko.
Cower from the truth and reality (especially gay people)
July 5th, 2007 at 6:18 pmProtect the pedophiles and cronies
Punch anyone that points out that you're a redneck idiot
Hillary won't be the Dem nominee. It'll be Obama. And he'll easily win over the Guiliani/Thompson/McCain train wreck running on the right....
I'd still prefer Gore, but considering it's July and he is still uninterested, I'm being realistic and coming up with a Plan B...
July 5th, 2007 at 6:18 pmThis week saw more reports that France was aware of the planned genocide but chose to continue co-operation with the Rwandan army that was going to perpetrate it.
France and Rwanda recently broke off diplomatic relations.
————————————————————————————
BBC report
Hey unbelievable,
France sounds like your kinda place.
F the French!
Comment by Flaco
July 5th, 2007 at 6:18 pmBill Clinton a good Christian president according to unbelievable the atheist. :D
July 5th, 2007 at 6:20 pmFrank: "Is there a point to this obviously desperate thread?"
Let me help you out there. I think the point is that we have still another item to add to the long list of things Rudy has flip-flopped on.
Flaco, I've been to France many times and I can tell you that they are far behind us in the number of raving lunatics like you in their population.
July 5th, 2007 at 6:24 pmThompson 2008!
Lie about your role in Watergate!
Divorce your wife of 25 years and marry a woman three years younger than your daughter!
Defend Obstruction of Justice in the executive branch!
Make an ass out of yourself attacking Michael Moore for going to Cuba while smoking Cuban cigars!
July 5th, 2007 at 6:27 pmFunny how morally bankrupt the Bush/Coulter Republicans have become. Bill Clinton's conduct was sooooooo reprehensible for 8 years. Now as long as George W. Bush reaches a "Clinton Standard" it's OK.
No wonder they lost the 2006 elections in a landslide.
-GSD
July 5th, 2007 at 6:30 pmFred is in big trouble.
The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds New York Senator Hillary Clinton (D) tied with former Tennessee Senator Fred Thompson (R) in an Election 2008 match-up. Both candidates attract support from 45% of voters. Given a Clinton-Thompson match-up, 5% of voters say they’d pull the lever for some other candidate and 4% are not sure.
July 5th, 2007 at 6:31 pmThe 2005 civil unrest in France of October and November was a series of riots and violent clashes, involving mainly the burning of cars and public buildings at night starting on October 27, 2005 in Clichy-sous-Bois. Events spread to poor housing projects (the cités HLM) in various parts of France. A state of emergency was declared on November 8, 2005. It was extended for three months on 16 November by the Parliament...
Wikipedia
July 5th, 2007 at 6:31 pmThe president doesn't have to consult with the Justice department. Just because Libby wasn't yet in prison yet doesn't make the President's decision faulty. He was within his authority.
July 5th, 2007 at 6:33 pmThe 2005 civil unrest in France of October and November was a series of riots and violent clashes, involving mainly the burning of cars and public buildings at night starting on October 27, 2005 in Clichy-sous-Bois. Events spread to poor housing projects (the cités HLM) in various parts of France. A state of emergency was declared on November 8, 2005. It was extended for three months on 16 November by the Parliament…
Wikipedia
lunatics yep I do this every night in the USA shek booti
July 5th, 2007 at 6:33 pmThe latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds New York Senator Hillary Clinton (D) tied Comment by Flaco — July 5, 2007 @ 6:31 pm
Listening to a Rasmussen Report, is like a Fox news cast. If you're foolish enough to believe that it's remotely factual - then you deserve the duping you get! Idiot!
July 5th, 2007 at 6:35 pmlunatics yep I do this every night in the USA shek booti
Comment by Flaco — July 5, 2007 @ 6:33 pm
Only after NCAA sporting events.
July 5th, 2007 at 6:36 pmlunatics yep I do this every night in the USA shek booti
Comment by Flaco — July 5, 2007 @ 6:33 pm
Yeah, that's nothing like the LA Riots - considering both of them involved the mistreatment of minorities by the authorities. Oh wait, the French riots involved the *murder* of people - yeah, no over-reaction by comparison!
Yep, you're a lunatic alright! A pretty dam st*pid one at that!
July 5th, 2007 at 6:37 pmGiuliani is a reptile.
July 5th, 2007 at 6:39 pmThe president doesn’t have to consult with the Justice department. Just because Libby wasn’t yet in prison yet doesn’t make the President’s decision faulty. He was within his authority.
Comment by CT_V1, Dean of Dissent
Maybe. Why don't you dig up Nixon's rotting corpse and tell it to him?
Ever heard of the Saturday Night Massacre? The beginning of the end for Nixon -- all within his authority.
July 5th, 2007 at 6:39 pmThompson 2008!
Kill the Terrorists
Protect the Borders
Punch the Hippies.
Comment by Frank J — July 5, 2007 @ 6:12 pm
CHENEY/THOMPSON 2008!!!
Kill the Terrorists!
July 5th, 2007 at 6:41 pmProtect the Borders!
Punch the Hippies!
I like that part about "principles" this is someone that as a prosecutor must have been an easy return on the investment. he has so many opinions on one subject that the goomba just oozes out
July 5th, 2007 at 6:43 pmClinton pardoned, but Bush just commuted.
There is a difference.
July 5th, 2007 at 6:45 pmComment by Zooey
This is about pardoning power, not refering to Nixon's case. The president has the power to commute, and he can choose to exercise that power.
If the President feels the entire sentence to be unjust, why would the defendant need to be in prison beforehand?
July 5th, 2007 at 6:47 pmWorth Reposting:
You know, before the Riech-wing does any more hollering that Clinton did it too, you all should review the facts about this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susan_McDougal
She did the time, including 7 weeks in solitary confinement.
Clinton did it too?
I don’t think so.
In fact, of the 14 people convicted in the course of Ken Starr’s Whitewater investigation, not one had their sentence commuted before going to prison.
Yet Ken Starr used offers of reduced sentences in order to try to obtain cooperation.
One of the 14 died in solitary confinement.
Faced with the circumstances of an investigation into corruption by a special prosecutor, President Clinton could have commuted the sentences or pardoned the guilty, but he didn’t.
Clinton most certainly did not do it too. Any argument to the contrary must address the Whitewater investigation, the convictions, the prison times served by friends and associates of the Clintons.
While I’m at it, has anybody noticed that the only people to serve jail time in the Plame case were the very reporters the Administration used to disseminate the leak?
July 5th, 2007 at 6:53 pmIf the President feels the entire sentence to be unjust, why would the defendant need to be in prison beforehand?
Comment by CT_V1, Dean of Dissent
Why did the President not commute the sentence or pardon everyone sentenced under the same guidelines, if the sentencing is unjust?
By your argument, he is letting people rot in jail for the same unjust sentence he let Libby off of.
Could it be that the sentencing was only unfair for a republican lacky and not everyone else?
How hypocritical of you and Bush.....
July 5th, 2007 at 6:54 pmThompson 2008!
Protect the Terrorists
July 5th, 2007 at 6:54 pmPunch the Borders
Kill the Hippies.
All the Democrat Presidential candidates came out against the commutation of Scooter Libby's sentence -- as required. If Hillary Clinton really wants to make a point about how outraged she is by the injustice, though, she can demand that her husband be prosecuted and jailed for his perjury.
That'll make the headlines.
July 5th, 2007 at 6:54 pmFlaco, nobody in France worries that a medical condition will lead to bankruptcy. Nobody worries that a qualified son or daughter will not be able to go to college because of lack of funds. The French have a longer life expectancy than we do and a better infant mortality rate. They are not hated and vilified throughout the world and the streets of Paris are cleaned every single day. When they screw up, as they did during their heatwave a few years ago, they are embarassed and their citizens get together and do something about it. Even though they pay marginally more in taxes, their citizens enjoy more job satisfaction and are more satisfied with their way of life than Americans are.
Now, I don't want to move to France. I'm an American patriot and I would like our country to learn from France.
July 5th, 2007 at 6:55 pmHmm...Notice that Bill Clinton didn't commute the senetence of Susan McDougal? Hmmm...what was her underlying crime? Hmmm...
Repuds believe that jails are for the poor, blacks, Latinos and anyone without a large amount of money in stocks.
Notice convicted felon Scooter Libby was able to cut a 250K on the day of the sentence tampering by King George W. The Turd?
He asked his overlords at the AEI and they cut him a check pronto.
-GSD
July 5th, 2007 at 6:56 pmWhere is the article on Tony calling the Clinton's shameless. LOL!!!
Bye, bye Hitlery!!! Time to attack the Clinton's record on scandal... and shame.
July 5th, 2007 at 6:56 pmThis is about pardoning power, not refering to Nixon’s case. The president has the power to commute, and he can choose to exercise that power.
If the President feels the entire sentence to be unjust, why would the defendant need to be in prison beforehand?
Comment by CT_V1, Dean of Dissent
As usual, you are not listening.
Thumbnail version: When Nixon fired Archie Cox, it was within his authority to do so, which would fly right past you as ok, since you seem to have so much faith in Presidents obeying the rules.
But it made the PEOPLE look up from their daily lives and pay attention to this odd story about a break in at the Watergate Hotel -- the rest is history.
I believe Bush commuting Libby's sentence, which as you say is fully within his authority to do, is his Saturday Night Massacre.
Understand?
July 5th, 2007 at 6:57 pmComment by Wayne — July 5, 2007 @ 6:54 pm
If the President decides to favor a close friend, that's his right. It's no different from any other president, it's nothing new. Scooter Libby is a fine man.
July 5th, 2007 at 6:58 pmDean of trolls: "This is about pardoning power, not refering to Nixon’s case. The president has the power to commute, and he can choose to exercise that power."
As usual, the "Dean" misses the point. The point is that pardoning or commuting someone in your administration involved in treasonous or illegal activity is the ultimate form of Obstruction of Justice and is exactly what the Framers were concerned about when they argued about the power to pardon.
July 5th, 2007 at 6:58 pmWorth Reposting:
Comment by Briseadh na Faire — July 5, 2007 @ 6:53 pm
Typical Lefty Nut Case.
Riech-wing (sic)! Riech-wing (sic)! Riech-wing (sic)!
Look at my link to wikipedia!
July 5th, 2007 at 6:59 pmIf the President decides to favor a close friend, that’s his right. It’s no different from any other president, it’s nothing new. Scooter Libby is a fine man.
Comment by CT_V1, Dean of Dissent
While you're Googling Saturday Night Massacre, look up "authoritarian submissive."
July 5th, 2007 at 7:00 pmShifty Mitt is now engulfed in a porn scandal. Seems the Marriott Hotels, of which Shifty Mitt was a board member, made lots of money from pay-per-view-porn. If only Shifty Mitt had stood up against porn and for family values he wouldn't be in the Mitt-shit.
-GSD
July 5th, 2007 at 7:00 pmTroll: "Time to attack the Clinton’s record on scandal.."
Other than having an affair and lying about it, what "scandal" are you talking about?
July 5th, 2007 at 7:00 pmThe point is that pardoning or commuting someone in your administration involved in treasonous or illegal activity is the ultimate form of Obstruction of Justice and is exactly what the Framers were concerned about when they argued about the power to pardon.
Comment by Shiek Yerbuti — July 5, 2007 @ 6:58 pm
That's cool.
Too bad you can't prove that he covered for anyone involved "in treasonous or illegal activity"!
July 5th, 2007 at 7:01 pmWhy would a "fine man" represent a scumbag like Marc Rich? Because they are all a pack of scumbags.
-GSD
July 5th, 2007 at 7:01 pmMr President,
Be quiet. You're making a bigger fool of yourself than usual.
July 5th, 2007 at 7:01 pmIf the President feels the entire sentence to be unjust, why would the defendant need to be in prison beforehand?
Comment by CT_V1, Dean of Dissent — July 5, 2007 @ 6:47 pm
he didn't say it was unjust -- he said it was excessive. He let the conviction stand, which indicates that the conviction was just. He said that the sentence (which was within federal sentencing guidleines) was excessive.
The reason jail time served is significant is that it is a standard basis for considering pardons.
Yes, Bush was within his rights. The problem for him and for Republicans is that, because he ignored almost every standard benchmark in considering the commutation -- jail time served, consultation with DOJ and prosecuting attorney, expression of remorse -- it makes this look an awful lot like a move to make a potentially damaging story go away.
Yes, the Libby commutation was legal. That doesn't make it right, and it doesn't make it just. If the only argument you have is that it was legal, then you're drawing on a pretty weak hand.
July 5th, 2007 at 7:02 pmWhy would a “fine man†represent a scumbag like Marc Rich? Because they are all a pack of scumbags.
-GSD
Because that's what lawyers do. They represent paid clients, it's their job. Quit acting stupid.
July 5th, 2007 at 7:02 pmOh... what?
Do you think that I am an "authoritarian submissive" personality type?!?!
July 5th, 2007 at 7:02 pmScooter Libby is a fine man.
Comment by CT_V1, Dean of Dissent
Libby is a convicted Felon.
Libby covered up and obstructed an investigation, a crime.
Bush let his lackey off to keep him from blabbing.
You are intellectually dishonest and you know full well that Bush bypassed all the normal channels to do this
July 5th, 2007 at 7:04 pmYes, he had the power, but He used that power wrongly. Just as he has abused his power in office for the last 6 years
Bill Clinton had Osama’s head on a silver platter. Slick Willy was playing golf and got the call he was in custody in Saudi. He declined because he was unsure if Osama had actually commited a crime against the United States. Yet Osama did declare war against The United States.
#Bill Clinton denied federal wiretaps against anyone we knew to be terrorist outside of the country.
#Bill Clinton would not allow the C.I.A.,F.B.I. and other agencies to share information with each other.
#Bill Clinton was receiving oral sex under his desk while he was on the phone with Arrafat discussing the middle east crisis.
#Bill Clinton bombed an aspirin factory in the middle of the night, right before the news about Monica was about to be released.
I could go on an on as a few of you love to do. He was a joke. The majority of the terrorist attacks on this country happend under his watch. Of course he was concerned about terrorism,but he did little to stop it. Asking the United Nations to step in and “Tell those boy’s to stop or else!!†is not good leadership.
Comment by Johnny Swank
July 5th, 2007 at 7:04 pmYes, the Libby commutation was legal. That doesn’t make it right, and it doesn’t make it just. If the only argument you have is that it was legal, then you’re drawing on a pretty weak hand.
Comment by Jake F
He doesn't have to consult anybody. It's his constitutional right to grant one in any way he chooses. That's a pretty strong hand.
It may be customary to consult the DoJ, but it's not required.
July 5th, 2007 at 7:04 pmComment by Mr. President — July 5, 2007 @ 6:56 pm
Typical Rightard Nut Case.
Call names! Call names! Call names!
Ignore all facts! Try to distract!
July 5th, 2007 at 7:05 pmFlaco, nobody in France worries that a medical condition will lead to bankruptcy. Nobody worries that a qualified son or daughter will not be able to go to college because of lack of funds. The French have a longer life expectancy than we do and a better infant mortality rate. They are not hated and vilified throughout the world and the streets of Paris are cleaned every single day. When they screw up, as they did during their heatwave a few years ago, they are embarassed and their citizens get together and do something about it. Even though they pay marginally more in taxes, their citizens enjoy more job satisfaction and are more satisfied with their way of life than Americans are.
Now, I don’t want to move to France. I’m an American patriot and I would like our country to learn from France.
Comment by Shiek Yerbuti
July 5th, 2007 at 7:06 pm----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Great clean streets I like to.
Guliani is just another Demolican plutocrat. They are all in this together. Its not about principles or justice but about keeping the sheeple stupid. Tickling their ears with what ever silly lulaby sways the vote and keeps them dreaming and hoping for a better tommorow. "We'll keep you safe." "We'll give you healthcare". Playing on your worst nightmare real or imagined so you will run into their arms like a good baby. Meanwhile they tighten the noose and reign in the leash of the little liberty they have allowed and we beg for more. FOOLS
Government is the enemy.
July 5th, 2007 at 7:07 pmYou've seen me in a dress with a boa......but you never caught me in my in cha cha heels.
July 5th, 2007 at 7:07 pmComment by Wayne
He exercised his constitutional right. Why yell at me?
Libby was convicted of a word-of-mouf offense, as I've said. At worst, I'd see him on the "registered liars" database.
July 5th, 2007 at 7:08 pmGiuliani Sacrifices Principles On Executive Clemency...
T/Rudi did not sacrifce his princples. In order to sacrifice principles, you have to have them in the first place. Clearly, T/Rudi sacrifced NOTHING here.
July 5th, 2007 at 7:09 pmGD F*cking trolls - - -
Why do they plague us?
One innocuous remark on RedState gets you banned, yet we have to put up with these complete morons day in and day out.
How about writing TP en masse?
Think they'll listen then?
July 5th, 2007 at 7:10 pmGovernment is the enemy.
Comment by Troll
Actually, stupidity is the enemy, which means you're on the list.
Sad, but true...
July 5th, 2007 at 7:11 pmDo you think that I am an “authoritarian submissive†personality type?!?!
Comment by Mr. President
No, I think CT is. That's who the comment is directed to.
It's not always about YOU.
July 5th, 2007 at 7:11 pmHe doesn’t have to consult anybody. It’s his constitutional right to grant one in any way he chooses. That’s a pretty strong hand.
It may be customary to consult the DoJ, but it’s not required.
Comment by CT_V1, Dean of Dissent — July 5, 2007 @ 7:04 pm
Read closer. I never said it was required. I agreed with you that the commutation was within his rights.
The problem is that Bush ignored almost all of the procedures accepted as standard for considering these kinds of decisions.
It's not a legal issue. It's an issue of moral judgment, of political opportunism and public image. It's an issue of valuing the rule of law, or valuing power and the privileged.
When I said you were drawing on a weak hand, I meant that you were sticking with the simplistic legalistic argument and ignoring the vast problems with this decision by Bush. Good luck with that.
July 5th, 2007 at 7:11 pmHow about writing TP en masse?
Think they’ll listen then?
Comment by trueblue
Trueblue, you've returned! Care for a slice of cheese?
(They come individually wrapped for your protection...)
July 5th, 2007 at 7:12 pmPoor little Johnny Swank. He can't tell the difference between allegations and facts. This seems to be a common affliction among right wing idiots.
July 5th, 2007 at 7:13 pmHe exercised his constitutional right. Why yell at me?
Libby was convicted of a word-of-mouf offense, as I’ve said. At worst, I’d see him on the “registered liars†database.
Comment by CT_V1, Dean of Dissent — July 5, 2007 @ 7:08 pm
Why yell at you? Because you're defending him.
It's good to see that perjury and obstruction of justice are "word of mouf offenses" and presumably, minor violations. Right?
July 5th, 2007 at 7:15 pmHow about writing TP en masse?
Think they’ll listen then?
Comment by trueblue
Wayne mentioned another walk off.
July 5th, 2007 at 7:15 pmTroll: "Government is the enemy.
Since yesterday was the 4th, tell us, Troll, what part of "We the People" and "in order to form a more perfect union" don't you understand?
July 5th, 2007 at 7:15 pmGiuliani sacrificed his principles?
Giuliani had principles?
July 5th, 2007 at 7:16 pmWhile you’re Googling Saturday Night Massacre, look up “authoritarian submissive.â€
Comment by Zooey
No. I am more of the "publisherian supermissive" type.
July 5th, 2007 at 7:16 pmJulie Annie is a political windsock - but I'd have a hard time naming any who aren't.
July 5th, 2007 at 7:17 pmStupid Sheeple. Keep enabling.
July 5th, 2007 at 7:17 pmComment by Jake F
I'm defending his powers like I would any other president. And yes, there are worse criminals I would rather be channelling my time prosecuting.
Libby paid his fine and will serve his probation. That's not a weak punishment.
July 5th, 2007 at 7:19 pmStupid Sheeple. Keep enabling.
Comment by Troll
At least you recognize yourself.
July 5th, 2007 at 7:20 pmComment by Shiek Yerbuti — July 5, 2007 @ 7:15 pm
Shiek
July 5th, 2007 at 7:20 pmDo you think you are free? Grow up' the government owns you. You just dont realize it.
How about writing TP en masse?
Think they’ll listen then?
Comment by trueblue
Wayne mentioned another walk off.
Comment by Zooey
July 5th, 2007 at 7:21 pm-----------------------------------------------------
Spoken like a true hippie
No. I am more of the “publisherian supermissive†type.
Comment by CT_V1, Dean of Dissent
That's bullshit.
July 5th, 2007 at 7:21 pmStupid,
July 5th, 2007 at 7:21 pmHave you nothing of substance to add?
I guess Giuliani's numbers will escalate since Fred Thompson's been "outed" for attempting to obstruct justice in the Nixon illegal wiretapping. I'd been wondering why he either left public office after that or wasn't re-elected. He had the "watergate curse" on him, that's why. Now it's all coming out again and his campaign will finish before it begins.
Watergate!!!!!! Yikes!!!! Head for the hills!!! Remember those days?? When a President lied and was impeached for it?? Wow! How far down the bunghole we've slid since then.
July 5th, 2007 at 7:22 pmComment by Shiek(sic!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) Yerbuti
Just sayin'
July 5th, 2007 at 7:23 pmAnd Hillary used to think pardons were great. Especially if your a bagman like Marc Rich or Puerto Rican terrorists. Is there a point to this obviously desperate thread?
Comment by Frank J — July 5, 2007 @ 5:59 pm
From Crooks and Liars:
Six Degrees of Separation of Scooter Libby
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/07/05/six-degrees-of-separation-of-scooter-libby/
President Bush’s commutation of Lewis “Scooter†Libby’s prison sentence highlights some interesting connections between Vice President Dick Cheney’s former chief of staff, a former fugitive from justice, an ex-president and two leading 2008 White House hopefuls.
Before entering government, Libby was a private attorney who represented billionaire international commodities trader Marc Rich.
Rich was indicted in 1983 by then-U.S. Attorney Rudy Giuliani on charges of tax evasion and illegal dealing with Iran during the American hostage crisis.
Rich fled to Switzerland. He also occupied a spot on the FBI’s Most Wanted List for many years.
Giuliani, former mayor of New York, is now a leading Republican presidential candidate. He endorsed Bush’s decision to spare Libby jail time even though he had tried to put Libby’s client behind bars.
“After evaluating the facts, the president came to a reasonable decision, and I believe the decision was correct,†Giuliani said in a written statement Monday evening.
Rich’s fugitive days ended when former President Clinton pardoned him in January 2001, a move that prompted a congratulatory call from Libby to Rich.
Next talking point...
July 5th, 2007 at 7:23 pmHi Zooey! I have to chuckle each time I see flake-o refer to someone as a "hippie". What century is this regressive from anyway? Hippies?? Too nerdy! If we're all hippies to him, guess he was one of those skinheads back then??
July 5th, 2007 at 7:23 pmJoin Hufftards they censor all the time especially when it comes to their god Bill Maher
July 5th, 2007 at 7:23 pmFlake-O,
Unlike the rightwing sites that no one can post on unless you sign up on the George W. Bush domestic wiretapping and spy list.
-GSD
July 5th, 2007 at 7:26 pmHi Zooey! I have to chuckle each time I see flake-o refer to someone as a “hippieâ€. What century is this regressive from anyway? Hippies?? Too nerdy! If we’re all hippies to him, guess he was one of those skinheads back then??
Comment by veritas
Hey, I've been called worse names to my face. I've never thought being called a hippy was an insult. Rolls right off my back. :)
July 5th, 2007 at 7:26 pmI wonder what would happen if we all had another "walk off"?? We could watch the trollturds hammer each other then - might be a new form of sadistic entertainment for all of us, eh?
July 5th, 2007 at 7:26 pmHi Zooey! I have to chuckle each time I see flake-o refer to someone as a “hippieâ€. What century is this regressive from anyway? Hippies?? Too nerdy! If we’re all hippies to him, guess he was one of those skinheads back then??
Comment by veritas — July 5, 2007 @ 7:23 pm
Maybe he is a surfer or a greaser?
July 5th, 2007 at 7:26 pmNEW! AlQaedaline batteries
July 5th, 2007 at 7:26 pmJoin Hufftards they censor all the time especially when it comes to their god Bill Maher
Comment by Flaco — July 5, 2007 @ 7:23 pm
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What's Hufftards?
July 5th, 2007 at 7:27 pmYeah, me too, Zooey. You KNOW they're hitting the bottom of the barrel (shooting fish in a barrel) when they resort to that type of juvenile name calling. Tell me more about the last TP walk off. No doubt it was troll related.
July 5th, 2007 at 7:27 pmMr. President it is the Huffington Post
July 5th, 2007 at 7:28 pmWhat’s Hufftards?
Comment by Mr. President
baggy leotards
July 5th, 2007 at 7:29 pmThe Master of Deception, Deadeye Dick, functions in his own altered state of reality wherein no other human being can even begin to relate or identify with him.
July 5th, 2007 at 7:29 pmI've been hammering wingers in public lately. I got one Bush-bot so flummoxed he admitted that he "hated" George W. Bush.
I tell them they'll have Dear Chimpy to thank for Hillary Clinton's ability to arrest them without warrants, to wire tap their phones and access their e-mail and bank records too.
They get pretty pissed off.
-GSD
July 5th, 2007 at 7:30 pmFULL LIBBY PARDON!
SQUEEL!
SQUEEL!
July 5th, 2007 at 7:30 pmI always think of a "corporate flack" when I read his moniker.
And they have wild dreams about me, because of the Boy in my name.
Ewwwww. It makes me feel all creepy when I type it.
July 5th, 2007 at 7:30 pmSpelling correction:
SQUEAL!!
SQUEAL!!
July 5th, 2007 at 7:31 pmYou got banned at HuffPo, didn’t you limpdick?
Comment by Zooey
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Me badge of honor yes!
Zooey :d open wide sweetie
July 5th, 2007 at 7:31 pmIsn't "Flako" the pie crust mix with all the added grease??
July 5th, 2007 at 7:31 pmComment by The Republic of Stupidity — July 5, 2007 @ 7:12 pm
Sorry for the delay in writing.
I was out walking my new baby.
So, how are you tonight?
July 5th, 2007 at 7:32 pmewww! Is right, Spudge...but keep hammering the trolls. Reminds me of an old kids game at Chucky Cheese where the trolls popped up out of a variety of holes and you had a huge rubber mallet to hammer them back down into darkness.....
July 5th, 2007 at 7:33 pmMr. President it is the Huffington Post
Comment by Flaco — July 5, 2007 @ 7:28 pm
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Gotcha.
July 5th, 2007 at 7:33 pmHey, I’ve been called worse names to my face. I’ve never thought being called a hippy was an insult. Rolls right off my back. :)
Comment by Zooey — July 5, 2007 @ 7:26 pm
My sister told me that her daughter (early 20's) says that "hippie" is quite an insult to the younger ones these days. Had to be the fault of the conservatives, demonizing a word, just like they did with "liberal". Funny thing is, if you look up "liberal" in the dictionary, one definition is "open-minded". Now naturally they had to demonize the word that best described their ideological opponents (as being the opposite of "close-minded", like them). I'm proud to call myself a "liberal", and I would be insulted if I was called a "capitalist". After all, unlike "capitalists", I care about people more than I care about making money.
July 5th, 2007 at 7:33 pmNo wonder Flake-O has the hots for Huffpo!
July 5th, 2007 at 7:33 pmHey Trueblue: How is your new baby? My two are as rambunctous as ever!
July 5th, 2007 at 7:34 pmI wants me a badge!
July 5th, 2007 at 7:34 pmFULL PARDON FOR ZOOEY!
July 5th, 2007 at 7:34 pmPerhaps we should all consider changing our monikers to "hippie, hippie, hippie-shake"???
July 5th, 2007 at 7:35 pm"How do you do?
I see you
met my
faithful handyman...
he's just a little brought down, 'cause
when you knocked,
he thought you were the
Candyman........
I'm just a sweet transvestite, from uh,
Transexual, Transylvania, ha ha......."
(Frank N. Furter, 1975)
July 5th, 2007 at 7:35 pmComment by Mr. President
You don't need no stinkin' badges.
July 5th, 2007 at 7:36 pmI kinda like the ring to the zing of Hippie-Shake myself. Implies all kinds of mobility, pizzaz, inventiveness, creativity, and aplomb to me.
July 5th, 2007 at 7:36 pmI care about people more than I care about making money.
Comment by Wayne A. Schneider
July 5th, 2007 at 7:36 pm----------------------------------------------
oh you bad demonizer Waynee poo
I wonder what the non-troll world is like....
July 5th, 2007 at 7:37 pmGood, Raven! I can see that there's a sense of euphoria around here this evening.
July 5th, 2007 at 7:37 pm"Giuliani Sacrifices Principles"
There is something wrong with this quote, he would have to first posses some principals before he could sacrifice them. As far as I can tell, Guiliani has no principals to begin with. He is one giant fraud.
July 5th, 2007 at 7:37 pmSeems that the trolls are totally blathered out. Let's try a walk out now and let them blather themselves into oblivion....and-a-one....and-a-two....I'm walkin'
July 5th, 2007 at 7:38 pmI knew you guys were brainwashed by Susan Sarandon!!!
Keep away from the rabbits!
July 5th, 2007 at 7:38 pmColumbia!
July 5th, 2007 at 7:40 pmMagenta!
Go and assist Riff Raff
while I, errr, entertain......."
Comment by Mr. President
The chatty-kathy types are on this board, always with new babies and wardrobe and troll complaints.
July 5th, 2007 at 7:40 pm!*!*!*!CHENEY 2008!*!*!*!
Knockin' Hippies Out!!!
July 5th, 2007 at 7:40 pmHi veritas,
She's with me right now - so cute.
:)
Wayne,
Miniblue confirmed that kids these days use it as an insult.
What the heck is going on?
July 5th, 2007 at 7:41 pmThese folks need to go after Rudy next:
Online spoofs cloud political stances
Parody blogs complicate cyberspace campaigning
By Karen E. Crummy
http://origin.denverpost.com/news/ci_6300545
July 5th, 2007 at 7:42 pmGod Damn Susan Sarandon Tim Robbins following HIPPIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
July 5th, 2007 at 7:42 pmlater let the hippies talk about their spawns
July 5th, 2007 at 7:42 pmI'm out as well...
It's not easy, having a good time,
July 5th, 2007 at 7:42 pmsometimes just typing makes my face ache....................
Rudy is an idiot. Always has been, always will be.
July 5th, 2007 at 7:51 pmno one here except
TB & veritas talkin' about their vaginas....blah, blah, blah
Mr. President c-ya
July 5th, 2007 at 7:53 pmMy sister told me that her daughter (early 20’s) says that “hippie†is quite an insult to the younger ones these days. Had to be the fault of the conservatives, demonizing a word, just like they did with “liberalâ€.
Comment by Wayne A. Schneider
I think it has more to do with the fact that "hippies" were their parents' generation, therefore scorned. Also, hippies are simply out-dated. No tattoos, either. Pfui.
Old hippies do frequently look like they're trying to hard, much like middle-aged guys still sporting mullets. Since I've still got a good head of hair (now gray), I've wondered what it would be like to let it grow back out. Probably too hot, though. :-)
Some of the other liberal blogs take "dirty f__king hippie" as a badge of honor. Me, too.
July 5th, 2007 at 7:55 pmOld hippies do frequently look like they’re trying to hard....
heh, I resemble that remark....
July 5th, 2007 at 7:58 pmLooks like TP has been cleaning up the racist comments that the trolls have been posting.
July 5th, 2007 at 8:00 pmYay!!
Who gives a rat's behind about something this guy said 25 YEARS AGO?! Jesus, I can understand trying to point out how much someone sucks, but digging 25 into history seems to me more like grasping at straws to make a valid, argueable point. A shame.
July 5th, 2007 at 8:04 pmApparently TP perceives the ENTIRE TRUTH to be too dangerous to their own cause.
Sort of makes you wonder what cause could possibly rank higher than THE TRUTH.
Deleting posts (in this mornings Rove Thread) is simply another form of authoritarianism.
Free speech s not negotiable.
Choose sides.
I’m with the Americans.
July 5th, 2007 at 8:08 pmWow. Flaco, I just came from Hufftards.
What a bunch of stupid sh*teating cr*p!!!
Anyway, I'll see you later.
Hufftards...
heh...
July 5th, 2007 at 8:09 pmI’m with the Americans.
Comment by ace — July 5, 2007 @ 8:08 pm
I agree ace.
TP thinks that the word "M*slimSh*teater (tm)" is "racist" when in fact Isl*am is not a race at all!!!
Right?
July 5th, 2007 at 8:11 pmI'm voting for Rudy Giuliani for president!
July 5th, 2007 at 8:12 pmSome of the other liberal blogs take “dirty f__king hippie†as a badge of honor. Me, too.
Comment by gummitch
Me, too. :)
July 5th, 2007 at 8:13 pm"God Damn Susan Sarandon..."
I'd f**k her. Her politics are crap though.
July 5th, 2007 at 8:14 pmLooks like TP has been cleaning up the racist comments that the trolls have been posting.
Yay!!
Comment by Wayne
Yey!
July 5th, 2007 at 8:14 pmYea Hufftards (censorship) sucks period. You get a message saying that your post is "pending approval" that means censorship.
TP rules!
July 5th, 2007 at 8:15 pmTP thinks that the word “M*slimSh*teater ™†is “racist†when in fact Isl*am is not a race at all!!!
Comment by Mr. President
Keep it up, you'll go to Band Camp with Santo and IRI.
July 5th, 2007 at 8:15 pm"The president doesn’t have to consult with the Justice department. Just because Libby wasn’t yet in prison yet doesn’t make the President’s decision faulty. He was within his authority."
It was not within his authority if the reason why he granted clemency was to cover up for crimes that he and Chaney have committed. That is a criminal offense called....you guessed it.....obstruction of justice. Hopefully some Democrats other than just Gore will have the courage to accuse him of pardoning Libby to prevent Libby from telling what he knew about Bush and Chaney's involvement in outing Valerie Plame. Then they should haul Libby back into court, give him immunity and then make him testify. If he lies again or refuses to testify, they can throw his ass in jail for obstruction of justice.
July 5th, 2007 at 8:18 pmComment by ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus — July 5, 2007 @ 6:02 pm
Yet no President in the history of the US has effectively halted a criminal investigation of their own administration through pardons.
Criminal investigation of what? The investigation is over and I don't recall filing any charges for the so-called "crime" I was appointed to investigate.
So please, lose the lame talking point.
That’s a whole different level of corruption, dishonest and hubris.
Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawn.
This is amateur hour compared to the Clinton mafia.
July 5th, 2007 at 8:19 pm"I guess Giuliani’s numbers will escalate"
He's looking good.
I saw a poll today where he was beating Hillary Clinton in New Jersey.
July 5th, 2007 at 8:20 pmTP rules!
Comment by Flaco — July 5, 2007 @ 8:15 pm
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No. TP is going around and deleting my posts.
July 5th, 2007 at 8:21 pm#
Yea Hufftards (censorship) sucks period. You get a message saying that your post is “pending approval†that means censorship.
TP rules!
Comment by Flaco — July 5, 2007 @ 8:15 pm
#
Troll:
When a posting is subsequently approved, posted for several hours, and becomes part of the dialogue, in fact, part of an historic record, it is simply criminal to jump in there six hours later and delete ALL of one persons postings but three.
TP has decided they'd rather be part of the problem than the solution.
July 5th, 2007 at 8:21 pmCriminal investigation of what?
Most Excellent Question = MEQ dude!
July 5th, 2007 at 8:21 pmComment by The Captain — July 5, 2007 @ 8:14 pm
heh.
I'm only 24 but I probably would too.
July 5th, 2007 at 8:21 pmSo, how are you tonight?
Comment by trueblue
Just sitting here... alone... w/ all this cheese...
July 5th, 2007 at 8:22 pmNo. TP is going around and deleting my posts.
Comment by Mr. President
TP rules!
July 5th, 2007 at 8:23 pmSince I’ve still got a good head of hair (now gray), I’ve wondered what it would be like to let it grow back out. Probably too hot, though. :-)
Comment by gummitch
I have kept my hair long since getting out of the army after Desert Storm, LOL
July 5th, 2007 at 8:23 pmRudy has so much dirty laundry that it would take the entire population of main land China 30 years to wash it out. If he is the nominee in 2008, the whoosh that you will hear will be the sound of GOP seats going down the drain.
July 5th, 2007 at 8:23 pmJust sitting here… alone… w/ all this cheese…
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity
That' just so incredibly sad....
July 5th, 2007 at 8:24 pm"No. TP is going around and deleting my posts.
Comment by Mr. President"
Poor Mr. President. If you want a site to post where you will be appreciated, go to redstate.org. They do not allow anyone to post there with a progressive or liberal point of view so you should feel quite comfortable there. But, there won't be anyone there to play with so I bet you will get bored pretty quickly.
July 5th, 2007 at 8:24 pmSome TPers here are whining to the website admin guys about us trolls and hobbits. They made a comment about a walk-out of something childish like.
July 5th, 2007 at 8:25 pmRudy Giuliani for President!!
July 5th, 2007 at 8:25 pmComment by Katie — July 5, 2007 @ 8:24 pm
"Progressive" indeed.
July 5th, 2007 at 8:26 pmSome TPers here are whining to the website admin guys about us trolls and hobbits. They made a comment about a walk-out of something childish like.
Comment by Flaco
Somebody here has learned a lot from you childish trolls.
July 5th, 2007 at 8:27 pmRudy Giuliani for President!!
Comment by Zooey — July 5, 2007 @ 8:25 pm
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hehehe, I know you don't believe that.
But I agree with your sentiment anyway. He's a good leader.
July 5th, 2007 at 8:29 pmlimpdick is not childish eh Zo?
July 5th, 2007 at 8:29 pmHi, my fellow evil liberal terrorist emboldeners!
July 5th, 2007 at 8:31 pmHave you heard national health care will embolden the terrorists?
July 5th, 2007 at 8:32 pmShe has a nice body, I'll give her that.
http://members.fortunecity.com/noops239/susan_sarandon0020.jpg
July 5th, 2007 at 8:33 pmYes, the point is that Giuliani’s playing a role….a role he knows absolutely nothing about and it’s beginning to show. His campaign is flagging just like McCain’s due to his scummy connections with Kerik et al.
Comment by veritas — July 5, 2007 @ 6:05 pm
Kerik "et al"? Who is "et al?
And if your nominee is Hitlery, I don't think you want the contest to boil down to who has been associated with more slimeballs.
I'll take that contest anyday.
July 5th, 2007 at 8:36 pmlimpdick is not childish eh Zo?
Comment by Flaco
It is fact.
July 5th, 2007 at 8:36 pmComment by The Captain — July 5, 2007 @ 8:33 pm
Yup.
But seeing her rambling on about the war doesn't help.
July 5th, 2007 at 8:38 pmBut I agree with your sentiment anyway. He’s a good leader.
Comment by The Captain
Yeah, he's the greatest. You wingnuts really ought to make a real push for him to get the nomination. I mean that most sincerely.
July 5th, 2007 at 8:45 pm"You wingnuts really ought to make a real push for him to get the nomination."
I've voting for him. That's all I can do.
July 5th, 2007 at 8:50 pmRepugs always like to invoke the name of Marc Rich in defending Bush (Clinton did it first!) but the convoluted connections of Rich, Libby and Giuliani would be unbelievable if it were not so.
The Rich pardon may have been wrong, but Rich did not work in the White House for Clinton or Gore.
This case is just another example of IOKIYAR
July 5th, 2007 at 8:53 pm"The Rich pardon may have been wrong, but Rich did not work in the White House for Clinton or Gore. "
Henry Cisneros did, and Bill Clinton pardoned him.
July 5th, 2007 at 9:02 pmI’ve voting for him. That’s all I can do.
Comment by The Captain
Make sure you recruit all your friends and family -- if you have any.
July 5th, 2007 at 9:03 pmHenry Cisneros did, and Bill Clinton pardoned him.
Comment by The Captain
Henry Cisneros, who served as secretary of Housing and Urban Development during Clinton's first term in office. He was convicted of making false statements to FBI agents conducting a background investigation of him when he was nominated to the Cabinet post in 1993. They included misleading investigators about cash payments he made to a former mistress.
Yeeaaahh... that's right on par w/ helping to out an active CIA agent...
NEXT!!!
July 5th, 2007 at 9:19 pmfrank J talks tough when he's hiding behind his keyboard, typical republican coward. He supports treason and incompetemce as long he has a stern daddytype to follow.
July 5th, 2007 at 9:24 pmYeeaaahh… that’s right on par w/ helping to out an active CIA agent…
NEXT!!!
Comment by The republic of Stupidity
He also did not get jail time, in a plea deal he was fined
And he was charged as a misdemeanor, not a Felony
In September, 1999, Cisneros negotiated a plea agreement, under which he pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor count of lying to the FBI, and was fined $10,000. He did not receive jail-time or probation. He was pardoned by President Bill Clinton in January 2001
Big difference
July 5th, 2007 at 9:26 pmRepugs always like to invoke the name of Marc Rich in defending Bush (Clinton did it first!) but the convoluted connections of Rich, Libby and Giuliani would be unbelievable if it were not so.
The Rich pardon may have been wrong, but Rich did not work in the White House for Clinton or Gore.
Comment by Marie — July 5, 2007 @ 8:53 pm
Claiming that Clinton "did it first" implies that Bush did the same thing that Clinton did.
Far from it.
The fugitive felon Rich paid for his pardon by having his wife give political donations to the Clintons. Clinton also pardoned the McDougals, co-conspirators in the Whitewater affair, campaign contibutors, family members, cabinet members and other assorted lowlifes.
When you throw in terrorists, with the perverted belief that it would gain Hillary favor in the Puerto Rican community in her Senate campaign, it becomes hideous beyond comprehension.
To compare all of that to what Bush did is simply deranged.
July 5th, 2007 at 9:34 pmno question, ghouliani is a whore completely devoid of integrity.
July 5th, 2007 at 9:36 pm.
Henry Cisneros, who served as secretary of Housing and Urban Development during Clinton’s first term in office. He was convicted of making false statements to FBI agents conducting a background investigation of him when he was nominated to the Cabinet post in 1993. They included misleading investigators about cash payments he made to a former mistress.
Yeeaaahh… that’s right on par w/ helping to out an active CIA agent…
Comment by The republic of Stupidity — July 5, 2007 @ 9:19 pm
You keep making reference to "outing a CIA agent"--is there something I missed? I'm pretty sure I brought no such charges.
If you have evidence to the contrary, I'd love to hear it.
July 5th, 2007 at 9:37 pmno question, ghouliani is a whore completely devoid of integrity.
Comment by yowzer — July 5, 2007 @ 9:36 pm
By all means, let's make the 2008 election about integrity.
July 5th, 2007 at 9:38 pmCHENEY 2008!
July 5th, 2007 at 9:45 pmYou keep making reference to “outing a CIA agentâ€â€“ some anti-Americans make the claim that, because I did not file any charges relating directly to that offense, that this means that "no underlying crime" occurred.
Nothing could be further from the truth. As I made clear in several official court filings, the perjury and obstruction of justice for which Mr. Libby was convicted essentially threw sand in the eyes of the umpire, making it impossible to determine the truth of the matter.
My investigation uncovered a great deal of evidence that White House officials conducted a systematic campaign to discredit Joe Wilson, and that disclosing the identity of his wife, who was a covert CIA operative, was part of that campaign.
Those who claim that a lack of charges filed for that crime is proof that no crime occurred are mistaken at best, dishonest at worst.
July 5th, 2007 at 10:19 pmShifty Mitt is now engulfed in a porn scandal. Seems the Marriott Hotels, of which Shifty Mitt was a board member, made lots of money from pay-per-view-porn. If only Shifty Mitt had stood up against porn and for family values he wouldn’t be in the Mitt-shit.
GSD
Comment by GSD
The hypocrisy of making lots of money off of porn doesn't particularly surprise me. I was more appalled at his mistreatment of his dog.
July 5th, 2007 at 10:57 pmMy investigation uncovered a great deal of evidence that White House officials conducted a systematic campaign to discredit Joe Wilson, and that disclosing the identity of his wife, who was a covert CIA operative, was part of that campaign.
Joe Wilson discredited himself just fine, thank you, as the 9/11 commission report clearly noted, in painful (for Wilson) detail.
In this town, they say you can indict a ham sandwich. When it came to the supposed "outing" of a supposedly "covert" agent, I didn't even have enough evidence to do that.
I rest my non-case.
Those who claim that a lack of charges filed for that crime is proof that no crime occurred are mistaken at best, dishonest at worst.
When it comes to Whitewater, cattle futures, billing records, and the like, I'm glad you finally agree.
July 5th, 2007 at 11:00 pmShifty Mitt is now engulfed in a porn scandal. Seems the Marriott Hotels, of which Shifty Mitt was a board member, made lots of money from pay-per-view-porn. If only Shifty Mitt had stood up against porn and for family values he wouldn’t be in the Mitt-shit.
Comment by GSD
Yeah, the party of Barney Frank is offended.
If this laughable story actually had any truth to it, you'd all be trying to recruit Mitt to run as a Democrat.
But the truth is that Romney was on the board of directors of Marriot and didn't try to intervene to stop the hotel chain's sale of in-room pay-per-view pornographic movies, because, he says: "I am not pursuing an effort to try and stop adults from being able to acquire or see things that I find objectionable; that's their right. But I do vehemently oppose practices or business procedures that will allow kids to be exposed to obscenity."
Now, if he HAD objected, you'd be whining about "fascism."
You freaks are wacko.
July 5th, 2007 at 11:06 pmBut I do vehemently oppose practices or business procedures that will allow kids to be exposed to obscenity.â€
Now, if he HAD objected, you’d be whining about “fascism.â€
You freaks are wacko.
Comment by Barney Frank
No, Barney Frankenstein,
July 5th, 2007 at 11:19 pmProgressives/liberals do not support selling porn to minors. And the
G(rostesque)O(ld)P(erverts) is the party of pedophiles.
Lora,
These trolls think they're so damned clever, but they're such lame halfwits.
July 5th, 2007 at 11:29 pmComment by Zooey — July 5, 2007 @ 11:29 pm
I know, Zooey. They're quite pathetic, aren't they?
July 5th, 2007 at 11:33 pmComment by Lora — July 5, 2007 @ 11:33 pm
They would have this country ruined because of their fear and delusions.
July 6th, 2007 at 12:12 amLora,
These trolls think they’re so damned clever, but they’re such lame halfwits.
Comment by Zooey
July 6th, 2007 at 2:16 am------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Girls focus on your vaginas and let us lame halfwits run the world.
Thanks
Girls focus on your vaginas and let us lame halfwits run the world.
Thanks
Comment by Flaco
Flakehead,
July 6th, 2007 at 2:21 amHalfwits like you would do less harm to the world if you focused on vaginas or boy's buttocks or your own twisted member (optional choice) than try to conquer and destroy everything. But thanks, anyway, for admitting that you are a halfwit.
Yeah, we're all half-wits, so why bother argueing with us. Trolls, we are! Just because we have the gall to disagree with you? Would it be easier if we just left you all to preach to your choir?
Regarding the Romney so-called "scandal":
As a member of the LDS Church, same as Romney, I happen to know for a fact that many "Mormons" also work in the casino/gaming industry in Nevada. It doesn't mean we agree with gambling, it just means that we believe human beings have the fundamental right to choose for themselves the path they follow, and we actually FOLLOW those beliefs, rather than merely pay those beliefs lip-service and attempt to dictate how others should live.
Mitt Romney followed the dictates of his religious beliefs, regardless of his personal opinion concerning porn. I would think you would respect him for his actions. Regardless, the whole thing is non-issue. What scandal? It's not even being covered in the "normal" news outlets. Oh, but I did hear the story about how Mitt strapped the dogs car carrier to the roof of his car with the dog in it....they wen't of vacation...and nothing happened! You all need to quite grasping at straws..but whatever floats your boat. By all means, keep discussing all this nonsense while the real world, and election cycle, goes by.
And Lora, if "progressives", like yourself, don't support allowing minors access to porn, then I ask that you publicly, in this forum, disavow the ACLU. In fact, I challenge you all to either put up or shut up.
What's even more laughable is this whole bunch of BS about Fred Thompson and.......Watergate???
Watergate????
That dog is pushing 35 years old. A good portion of today's voting population doesn't even know what Watergate is..they weren't even friggin' born yet! The only thing they know about President Nixon is what they've learned on "Futurama!" for chrissakes!! Keep on a' wishin' an' hopin' an' prayin' etc. etc.
Watergate is ancient history, the story is old news, and won't gain any traction. Who the hell reads the Huffington Post? Do you really picture a bunch of hard-core conservative Republicans huddled around the computer defecting to the Democratic party after reading the Huffington Post??? All I can say is: Dream On.
Yup, Bill Kristol, Michelle Malkin, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity...all reading the Huffington Post, looking for a new direction in life....man, is that funny!
July 6th, 2007 at 2:27 amComment by Flaco — July 6, 2007 @ 2:16 am
Brilliant my man!
July 6th, 2007 at 2:51 amIf hypocrisy was a felony...NO Republicans would be walking around free.
July 6th, 2007 at 9:35 ami>Progressives/liberals do not support selling porn to minors. And the
G(rostesque)O(ld)P(erverts) is the party of pedophiles.
Comment by Lora — July 5, 2007 @ 11:19 pm
Seems to me only one party (and all of its satellite groups) supports, and is supported by, NAMBLA.
And it AIN'T the Republican party.
July 6th, 2007 at 10:15 amBUT, if Clinton did create this precedent (of avoiding the DoJ in making clemency decisions), then we ought to take stock of it.
July 6th, 2007 at 10:28 amAnd Lora, if “progressivesâ€, like yourself, don’t support allowing minors access to porn, then I ask that you publicly, in this forum, disavow the ACLU. In fact, I challenge you all to either put up or shut up.
Comment by O. Bigfoot —
No, Mr. Bigfoort in the Mouth,
July 6th, 2007 at 6:04 pmYou just wrote a long defense of Mormons making money off of porn or working in the gambling industry, even though your religion is against such things. Now read this very carefully: there is a difference between saying "My religion doesn't support that, but I won't interfere with other people's rights to engage in that," and "My religion doesn't support that, but I'll make money off of it even though I don't like it." The former is tolerant behavior; the second is hypocritical behavior.
I will not denounce the ACLU here, because I can agree with much of its work, though not all. There are good reasons why even known conservatives like former Congressman Bob Barr (very active in trying to impeach Clinton) work for it.
Yeah, we’re all half-wits, so why bother argueing(SIC) with us. Trolls, we are! Just because we have the gall to disagree with you? Would it be easier if we just left you all to preach to your choir?
Comment by Mr. O. Bigfoot
Yes, you are a troll. However, TP allows trolls to post their arguments here, as long as they don't get too vulgar, unlike rightwing blogs such as redstate, which ban even the mildest criticism of Bush and rightwing policies.
July 6th, 2007 at 7:11 pm