Gore: Libby Had ‘Knowledge That Could Incriminate His Bosses In The White House’
Gore: Libby Had ‘Knowledge That Could Incriminate His Bosses In The White House’
This morning on NBC’s Today show, Vice President Al Gore called last week’s commutation of Scooter Libby’s prison sentence “very disappointing” and “improper,” specifically highlighting the fact that Libby had “knowledge that could incriminate his bosses in the White House which included the vice president and the president.”
Asked how Bush’s commutation was different than some of President Clinton’s pardons, Gore said, “Well it’s different because in this case the person involved is charged with activities that involve knowledge of what his superiors in the White House did.” Watch it:
Both President Bush and Vice President Cheney authorized leaks of classified national security information to the media to defend the Iraq invasion, and Cheney wrote notes on Joseph Wilson’s original Iraq op-ed asking, “[D]id his wife send him on a junket?” But the full extent of their direct involvement in the leak of Valerie Plame’s identity remains unknown.
As the New York Times opined last week:
Presidents have the power to grant clemency and pardons. But in this case, Mr. Bush did not sound like a leader making tough decisions about justice. He sounded like a man worried about what a former loyalist might say when actually staring into a prison cell.
On the day of Libby’s guilty verdict, juror Denis Collins famously told reporters, “It was said a number of times, ‘What are we doing with this guy here? Where’s [Karl] Rove … where are these other guys?‘”
Transcript:
Q. Before I let you go, I’d like to ask you about the Scooter Libby case and the fact the president commuted his sentence. What was your reaction to that?
GORE: Well, I thought it was very disappointing.
Q: Because?
GORE: Well, I thought it was improper. He is charged with having knowledge that could incriminate his bosses in the White House which included the vice president and the president. I thought it was very disappointing.
Q. And how is it different than when President Clinton pardoned, in some controversial cases…
GORE: Well it’s different because in this case the person involved is charged with activities that involve knowledge of what his superiors in the White House did.
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Gore is 100% correct about this > Libby has knowledge of Bush, Cheney, and Rove criminality, so commuting Scooter’s sentence is obstruction of justice and conspiracy too.
July 5th, 2007 at 1:34 pmSpeculation without evidence.
July 5th, 2007 at 1:36 pmNot to nitpick but Libby had his sentence commutted on Monday. Today is Thursday. So this all happend this week.
July 5th, 2007 at 1:39 pmThat is why he was not pardoned.
July 5th, 2007 at 1:40 pmTough to tell from that brief clip, but it didn’t sound like Gore handled that as cleanly as he could have.
Libby wasn’t “charged with” having information about his superiors. He certainly does have that information, and it certainly was a factor in both the prosecution and the sentence, as a substantial amount of jail time can be an incentive to cooperate with the prosecutor. That possibility is gone now. But what I think Gore was trying to say is that the President had something to gain with this commutation, since Libby potentially holds the goods on some aspects of the administration that BushCo would like to be kept hidden.
July 5th, 2007 at 1:40 pmAl the Oracle tell your boy to slow down. 100 mph in a Prius!
http://www.reuters.com/article/domesticNews/idUSN0428148420070705?feedType=RSS&rpc=22&sp=true
July 5th, 2007 at 1:40 pmDon’t let Bush get off “Scooter” free!
July 5th, 2007 at 1:40 pmFunny that the MSM keeps bringing up Clinton’s pardons — which are in no way relevant to the Libby pardon.
What’s comparable is Bush Sr.’s pardon of the Iran Contra crowd.
Margaret Love who worked in the pardon office at the Justice Dept pointed this out on Lehrer Newshour.
July 5th, 2007 at 1:41 pmThat is why he was not pardoned.
Comment by Mr. President — July 5, 2007 @ 1:40 pm
then tell us, Mr. pee, why was he pardoned?
July 5th, 2007 at 1:41 pmFull Pardon Mr. President!!!
Do the right thing.
We want justice!!!
July 5th, 2007 at 1:41 pmGore’s son gets charged with Vicodin, other drugs, and Marijuana.
I guess it’s not easy being ‘green’.
July 5th, 2007 at 1:42 pm“Speculation without evidence.
Comment by wow! — July 5, 2007 @ 1:36 pm”
“Libby wasn’t “charged with†having information about his superiors…
Comment by spit take — July 5, 2007 @ 1:40 pm”
Indeed.
Bush thought the sentence was too harsh, that is all.
And that about says it all for this thread.
July 5th, 2007 at 1:43 pmCOMMENCE WITH THE GORE III JOKES TROLLS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Does marijuana smoke create a carbon footprint, and is Junior buying offsets from his dad’s company for it?
July 5th, 2007 at 1:44 pmThat is why he was not pardoned.
Comment by Mr. President — July 5, 2007 @ 1:40 pm
You left off the “yet” at the end of your sentence there, Mr. Pee. I’m sure your hero King George will be talked into completing his complicity in treason by finally pardoning Cheney’s little buddy scooter — otherwise, who KNOWS what will come out in scooter’s book a few years from now???
July 5th, 2007 at 1:44 pmHey Al…
know where I can find some PCP?
July 5th, 2007 at 1:44 pmwow-The lack of evidence is directly due to Libby’s lying and misleading. THAT is why he should be in jail for tying up the investigation. The implications of wrong-doing stem directly from the Commuter in Chief going against evreything he’s become to be known for in Texas (a hard ass who would rather see retarded people put to death rather than commuting a sentence). The sentencing fit directly within the guidelines for these crimes as stated by the Rep. judge and the Rep. prosecutor involved. The parole boards recommendations (cited by the Bush team in determining that the sentence was too harsh) were for 16 months NOT NO TIME AT ALL! And even that panel had 2 Reps and 1 Dem.
July 5th, 2007 at 1:44 pmPoor Al Gore, had to cancel all other apperance do to his drug addicted son. Typical liberal family. How sad, NOT!!!
Al Gore talking out of his ass as usual. How the fck does he know what Libby knew or did not know? I guess along with predicting the end of the world in a few years, he can also read the minds of other human beings.
Only the poor, idiotic, pathetic libtards buy the crap this pathetic fool sells.
July 5th, 2007 at 1:45 pmDo cocaine, gin and tequila create a carbon footprint, and are the Bush Twins buying offsets from Halliburton for it?
July 5th, 2007 at 1:46 pmWow, some real nut case trolls here (#16) must mean that this blog is getting the good work done. Good to see Gore getting this message out there.
July 5th, 2007 at 1:47 pmI see why the GOPer owned corporate press is harping on Gore’s son this morning. It is payback for Al Gore daring to claim that Scooter Libby had his sentence reduced, by Bush, to keep him from spilling the beans on everything he witnessed in the White House, if he had gone to prison. Libby knows all the dirt on VP Dick Cheney for sure.
July 5th, 2007 at 1:48 pmFull Pardon Mr. President!!!
Do the right thing.
We want justice!!!
Comment by Flaccid — July 5, 2007 @ 1:41 pm
At this point, I’d like to see a full pardon, too. Then Libby could be called to testify and he wouldn’t be able to hide behind the Fifth Amendment. Of course, he’s already a convicted perjurer, so how trustworthy his testimony might be is anybody’s guess…
July 5th, 2007 at 1:49 pmThis canary may still sing…but not in time to affect the 08’s
July 5th, 2007 at 1:50 pmMr. Excrement, sir?
July 5th, 2007 at 1:51 pmThe press is clamoring to know if you commuted Scooter Libby’s sentence because he knows how little you know about anything.
Know what I mean?
How would you like me to respond, sir.
Yes, sir, with the usual, sir.
What? The Vice-Incident?
How would I know, sir.
No one knows.
Sir.
Hey Al III,
Stop da Snitchin’
July 5th, 2007 at 1:51 pmIndeed.
Bush thought the sentence was too harsh, that is all.
And that about says it all for this thread.
Comment by Mr. President — July 5, 2007 @ 1:43 pm
What was “too harsh” about it? The sentence of thirty months fit squarely within the federal sentencing guidelines for these crimes. Does the President think that the federal sentencing guidelines are “too harsh”? That would certainly be a switch from an administration that has spent six and a half years trying to toughen sentencing guidelines…
July 5th, 2007 at 1:51 pm#12
Does marijuana smoke create a carbon footprint, and is Junior buying offsets from his dad’s company for it?
Comment by m12
Funny heh! :D
July 5th, 2007 at 1:52 pmI’d like to see all the cool people airlifted out of Texas and all the Republics herded there. Let’s give them their own country. We can’t allow these traitors to go on living here, screwing up the nation, lowering the national IQ, buggering our children…
July 5th, 2007 at 1:52 pmI might add, Libby is no longer ‘changed’ with perjury and obstruction of justice he has been convicted and in an appeal the court upheld this conviction.
July 5th, 2007 at 1:52 pmAnd unfortunately I have to remind everyone that President Clinton was acquitted of perjury and obstruction of justice charges.
And I agree ‘Scotter’ has the administration’s family jewels firmly in his grip and is playing that chip.
You guys notice how TP is avoiding the Al Gore III story??? :D
July 5th, 2007 at 1:53 pmPoor Al Gore, had to cancel all other apperance do to his drug addicted son. Typical liberal family. How sad, NOT!!!
Comment by Conservatron — July 5, 2007 @ 1:45 pm
What do you find “typical liberal” about this family? That he has a child with a substance abuse problem? Oh — I get it — this must be an attempt to further re-brand the Bush family as “liberal”. Nice work.
July 5th, 2007 at 1:53 pmCOMMENCE WITH THE GORE III JOKES TROLLS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Comment by Mr. President — July 5, 2007 @ 1:43 pm
Troll.
Nothing more.
July 5th, 2007 at 1:54 pmThis shouldn’t be funny or notable. Bush himself is an alcoholic and former cocaine user…
July 5th, 2007 at 1:54 pmClinton is a perjurer too. na na na
July 5th, 2007 at 1:55 pmIn my opinion, all the Al Gore supporters have lost all grounds to talk about the Bush girls “recreational activities”. Seems that even the most liberal of people have fcked up kids, not just conservatives.
Maybe AGIII listened to too much Ozzy or Judas Priest. That is why he turned to drugs. After all, weren’t his parents trying to be the morals police for the nation about the time he was born?
But at least he was eco-friendly in the Prius.
HI Zooey (and all others)! FLW sucks!
July 5th, 2007 at 1:55 pmWell said, Mr. President Gore.
July 5th, 2007 at 1:56 pmYou guys notice how TP is avoiding the Al Gore III story??? :D
Comment by Flaco — July 5, 2007 @ 1:53 pm
Could it be because that’s a Gore family matter and none of your d*amn business.
This thread is about Gore’s response to the Libby commutation. Try to keep up.
July 5th, 2007 at 1:56 pm#28
Which is odd….I believe Gore Jr was mentioned in this interview.
July 5th, 2007 at 1:56 pmAl Gore III
The deputy smelled marijuana and searched the car, said sheriff’s spokesman Jim Amormino. The search turned up a small amount of marijuana, along with prescription drugs including Valium, Xanax, Vicodin, Adderall and Soma. There were no prescriptions found, he said.
Valium, Xanax, Vicodin, Adderall and Soma WTF? driving too?
July 5th, 2007 at 1:57 pmCould it be because that’s a Gore family matter and none of your d*amn business.
Yeah, like how libby’s pardon is a ‘personal family matter’.
July 5th, 2007 at 1:57 pmYou guys notice how TP is avoiding the Al Gore III story??? :D
Comment by Flaco — July 5, 2007 @ 1:53 pm
I sure do.
“Progressive” indeed.
July 5th, 2007 at 1:58 pmThe trolls really come out when the WH is at direct risk.
July 5th, 2007 at 1:59 pmThey electioneer through the “justice dept” and they obstruct justice because they can’t win on the issues or facts.
The Libby commute is staggering corruption.
Yeah, like how libby’s pardon is a ‘personal family matter’.
Comment by m12 — July 5, 2007 @ 1:57 pm
Um, yeah. Just like that. Idiot!
July 5th, 2007 at 2:00 pmIn my opinion, all the Al Gore supporters have lost all grounds to talk about the Bush girls “recreational activitiesâ€. Seems that even the most liberal of people have fcked up kids, not just conservatives.
Comment by hacker bob — July 5, 2007 @ 1:55 pm
Does that mean, by the same token, that Bush supporters have no grounds on which to criticize Gore for his son’s f*ckup?
Did you recall anyone suggesting that only conservatives have f*cked up kids? Because I don’t ever remember anyone saying that here.
July 5th, 2007 at 2:00 pm“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, THE TRUTH IS THE GREATEST ENEMY OF THE STATE.â€
– Joseph Goebbels, German Minister of Propaganda, 1933-1945
By: okiemon on September 27, 2006 at 10:24am
“As people do better, they start voting like Republicans – unless they have too much education and vote Democratic, which proves there can be too much of a good thing.â€
Karl Rove.
July 5th, 2007 at 2:01 pmAl Gore III and Paris Hilton party in California!
Come on TP,
July 5th, 2007 at 2:01 pmI got your headline for you already.
Yeah, like how libby’s pardon is a ‘personal family matter’.
Comment by m12 — July 5, 2007 @ 1:57 pm
Thanks for reminding us why so few people pay attention to you, You’re12. It’s because you make no sense.
July 5th, 2007 at 2:01 pm“The President of the United States has the unrestrained Power of granting Pardons for Treason; which may be sometimes exercised to screen from punishment those whom he had secretly instigated to commit the Crime, & thereby prevent a Discovery of his own Guilt.” – George Mason (1725-1792), the “father of the Bill of Rights,†noting his objection to presidential pardon powers in his first draft commentary on the Constitution of the United States he helped write.
What say ye??
July 5th, 2007 at 2:03 pmOf course, Clinton has never been convicted of perjury. Just “saying” someone is “guilty” of a crime carries nowhere near the weight of Libby’s actual adjudication in a court of law by a jury of his peers. Libby was indeed convicted of perjury and obstruction of justice. Nothing speculative or accusatory here, no supposition. Just the facts, folks.
July 5th, 2007 at 2:03 pm#44
Gore/Hilton/Lohan/Spears in 2020!
July 5th, 2007 at 2:03 pmGOPers would be wise to lay off Gore’s son on here, because the Bush family is rife with drug and alcohol abuse. Remember that a DC cocaine pusher handed over Jenna’s driver license, to the Secret Service, because she left it at his drug pad. Bush Junior himself was a massive alcoholic who was found to be intoxicated, while driving his car, when he was a young man. His DUI was rescinded mysteriously.
July 5th, 2007 at 2:04 pmThe trolls will ignore GW’s drug use but let’s pounce on the 24 year old. Admit the coke binges and drunken stupors GW is hiding and then let’s discuss the 24 year old.
What say Mr. Pee. When did you put the coke straw down? Was it before or after you were missing your military obligations?
July 5th, 2007 at 2:04 pmThe trolls are certainly out in force because Gore singlehandedly shot down their “Clinton did it too” arguement.
July 5th, 2007 at 2:04 pmal III
I need a fix…
come on…
HOOK ME UP!!!!
July 5th, 2007 at 2:05 pm#46
Your point? The founding fathers rejected that argument.
July 5th, 2007 at 2:05 pmClinton criticizes Libby commutation
July 5th, 2007 at 2:05 pm“Rovian” is just another synonym for “Straussian”….check it out….it will begin to sound familiar….very familiar!~
http://www.laroucheub.com/other/2003/3011profile.strauss.html
July 5th, 2007 at 2:05 pmGore/Hilton/Lohan/Spears in 2020!
July 5th, 2007 at 2:06 pmComment by m12 — July 5, 2007 @ 2:03 pm
HA!
Live Earth concerts taking place around the world on July 7. The concerts are designed to raise awareness of global warming.
I guess little Al is getting his dobbies/stash ready for the Live Earth concert his dad is sponsoring.
July 5th, 2007 at 2:06 pmThe trolls are certainly out in force because Gore singlehandedly shot down their “Clinton did it too†arguement.
Comment by LibStl
If shot down you mean gave complete speculation on something he has no evidence about, then yes, shot down.
July 5th, 2007 at 2:06 pmSorry I couldn’t get it to post properly….instead, just google this:
LEO STRAUSS: FASCIST GODFATHER OF THE NEO-CONS
July 5th, 2007 at 2:06 pmso, has anyone been able to figure out if Al Gore can read minds?
It would be interesting to know how Al Gore knows what is in Libby’s mind.
and how about Jr. Liberals really went after the Bush girls….funny how now they are getting upset for us going after Al Gore III.
I guess in the mind of a Liberal, what is good for them to use against Republicans, is not good for Republicans to use against them.
typical Liberal hypocrisy.
July 5th, 2007 at 2:06 pmFlaco sez:
That’s probably because the Al Gore III story is not news, regardless of your desperation to make it so.
For a point of reference, have you noticed how TP also seems to avoid stories concerning the substance abuse problems of the Bush Twins?
July 5th, 2007 at 2:07 pmAnd Wolfy was taught by Allan Bloom (University of Chicago Phil. Prof), a direct descendant and protege of Leo Strauss – ‘nuf said!
July 5th, 2007 at 2:07 pmFor a point of reference, have you noticed how TP also seems to avoid stories concerning the substance abuse problems of the Bush Twins?
Please detail where either of them was arrested for possession of narcotics!
July 5th, 2007 at 2:08 pmComment by m12 — July 5, 2007 @ 2:05 pm
I think your numbers may be off (or mine).
You should refer to “Comment by – date @ time” so as to make sure your message gets to the right person.
#46 for me is:
Comment by echo — July 5, 2007 @ 2:03 pm
July 5th, 2007 at 2:08 pmLet’s not miss the “forest which on fire” for the “small brushfires” which the Flako Trolls are attempting to lure us into here. Whatever they use to attempt their hijacking is definitely NOT news…of that we can be certain.
July 5th, 2007 at 2:08 pmThe trolls are certainly out in force because Gore singlehandedly shot down their “Clinton did it too†arguement.
Comment by LibStl — July 5, 2007 @ 2:04 pm
what Al Gore showed is that he is a demagogue, a charlatan, and he is merely speculating to what Libby knows. Unless of course, Al Gore has been prevy to Libby’s conversations with the President and the VP, which would mean that Al Gore has either secretly taped conversation, or he is a mind reader.
poor Libtards, so desperate to hang on to this failure of a man, Al Gore.
July 5th, 2007 at 2:08 pmComment by Jay Randal — July 5, 2007 @ 2:04 pm
So, are you saying that all the Bush daughter statements in the past are fair game but AGIII should get a pass?
Sounds a little, what is that word that starts with an ‘H’?
Hypocritical, that is it.
Funny how hypocrite and Al Gore seem to appear together alot.
AG Jr and AGIII are fair game, as are the Bush twins and Bush.
July 5th, 2007 at 2:09 pmGuys anyone has any extra doobies the Live Earth concert.
July 5th, 2007 at 2:09 pmCool1
That’s probably because the Al Gore III story is not news, regardless of your desperation to make it so.
Comment by TripMaster Monkey
If it were Rudy, Romney or McCains son it would be news here.
July 5th, 2007 at 2:10 pmTP has posted very little about the Bush twins being a couple of convicted boozehounds while underaged, however, it’s important to note that Clinton has never been convicted of any crime.
Can the same be said about Republican heroes of the right?
July 5th, 2007 at 2:10 pmFlaco sez:
You guys notice how TP is avoiding the Al Gore III story??? :D
That’s probably because the Al Gore III story is not news, regardless of your desperation to make it so.
For a point of reference, have you noticed how TP also seems to avoid stories concerning the substance abuse problems of the Bush Twins?
Comment by TripMaster Monkey — July 5, 2007 @ 2:07 pm
Al Gore III story is not news? yet Bush’s daughter getting drunk is news?
why don’t you tell us all how many times the Bush daughters have been arrested, and then tell us how many times Al Gore III has been arrested.
July 5th, 2007 at 2:10 pmComment by veritas — July 5, 2007 @ 2:08 pm
Actually, we already won this debate. See:
Comment by Mr. President — July 5, 2007 @ 1:43 pm
July 5th, 2007 at 2:10 pmWhich is precisely because the trolls have not had anything positive to claim as their own for a very long time…..like an oasis in the middle of their sere desert….but simply a small “mirage”, that’s what they’re attempting to distract us with….and who cares what any kid of anyone is doing or not doing??? If we cared about that we’d be laughing our butts off at what the airhead bush twins are up to but, frankly, who gives a flying crap about anything they do?? Answer: Absolutely no one!
July 5th, 2007 at 2:10 pmI won’t even flatter Mr. P’s comment to me with an attempt to ascertain what this a$$hole is implying…..because he hasn’t posted one signular item on any of these threads that anyone gives a damn about or has one shred of credibility. All he posts is drivel…pure, rancid drivel.
July 5th, 2007 at 2:12 pmOh man!
I just dropped a doobie on my jeans…
it burned a whole…
oh well.
July 5th, 2007 at 2:12 pmSince Al Gore is enjoying so much notoriety, how about making bets on his kids being tailed and purposely entrapped?? Everyone smelling a rat today, please raise their hand. ‘nuf said on that count….NEXT!!
July 5th, 2007 at 2:13 pmPERHAPS IT BURNED A HOLE IN HIS HEAD? ROTFLMAO!! DESERVEDLY SO.
July 5th, 2007 at 2:14 pmm12 sez:
Please refrain from attempting to move the goalposts, m12.
I didn’t say “narcotics”. I said “substance abuse”. Are you going to try to maintain that the Bush twins have not had problems with controlled substances in the past?
July 5th, 2007 at 2:14 pmBush commutes Libby’s sentence One day after an Appeals court refuses to delay Libby’s prison term and people *really* think GW Bush wasn’t covering his own and Dick Cheney’s Ass?
Oh C’mon, Even the most Rabid Right wing radical can’t be that foolish to believe otherwise. If he hadn’t commuted his sentence, “Scooter” would have shopped around for a deal with the prosecutor.
Former Vice President Gore is dead right: GW Bush commuted his sentence before he could talk, nothing more. Despite the Trolls attempt to change the subject, you still have a corrupt administration led by a Corupt man.
July 5th, 2007 at 2:14 pmHacker bob > it is fair game, if you trolls persist in railing about Gore’s son.
July 5th, 2007 at 2:14 pm“I did not inhale” but Al Jr did! Heheh
July 5th, 2007 at 2:15 pmThe fact that even the jurors were wondering why Scooter was the sacrificial lamb makes you question the actual intensity of the investigation. I know Fitzgerald said that Scooter effectively “threw sand in the eyes of the umpire,” but if it was clear from the court testimony that he was covering up for Rove, et al, it certainly seems strange that Fitzgerald couldn’t find any other avenues for getting at the higher ups. I’d like to believe that Fitzgerald was one of the good guys, but something just seems wrong here. If so many people appear to have knowledge of the involvement of the White House, isn’t there some other way to get at it other than relying on the honesty of one clearly dishonest man? I will admit to being naive about the legal intricacies of this case, but it is alarming to me that this group can legally shield themselves from prosecution in this manner. Is there any recourse?
July 5th, 2007 at 2:15 pmIf shot down you mean gave complete speculation on something he has no evidence about, then yes, shot down.
Comment by wow! — July 5, 2007 @ 2:06 pm
If you really believe that the VICE-PRESIDENT’S CHIEF OF STAFF wasn’t aware of what was being said about Joe and Valerie Wilson in the White House, you truly are a hopeless kool-aid drinker.
July 5th, 2007 at 2:15 pmOh man!
I just dropped a doobie on my jeans…
it burned a whole…
oh well.
Comment by Mr. President
Burned a hole and it was empty, huh?
July 5th, 2007 at 2:15 pmKind of like your comments, eh?……
Comment by Mr. President
Al Gores TN mansion has gone “green.” Those “solar panels” (black lights) aid in growing the most potent Ganja one can imagine. Al III drops by once a week to do some watering.
July 5th, 2007 at 2:16 pmI didn’t say “narcoticsâ€. I said “substance abuseâ€. Are you going to try to maintain that the Bush twins have not had problems with controlled substances in the past?
All a bunch of hearsay. They don’t have criminal records!
July 5th, 2007 at 2:16 pmHey,
anyone got some of that chronic shit?
July 5th, 2007 at 2:16 pmSince Al Gore is enjoying so much notoriety, how about making bets on his kids being tailed and purposely entrapped?? Everyone smelling a rat today, please raise their hand. ‘nuf said on that count….NEXT!!
Comment by veritas
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Evil JoooooooooooOOOOOOOOOooooooooooOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOooos.
July 5th, 2007 at 2:17 pmWhere’s ace?
Conservatron sez:
Not much on reading comprehension, are you?
I never maintained that the shenanigans of the Bush twins was news. Don’t try to put words in my mouth…you’re not very good at it.
I see…it only matters if you’re caught. What a remarkably Repuke attitude. Well done, dolt.
July 5th, 2007 at 2:17 pmEveryone’s fair game. Glad to see the son of Gore getting the hammer. Funny thing is the guy won’t be charged with being impaired. An “expert” determined he wasn’t. Funny laws there. Here in AZ, if they think you’ve been smoking pot, they take your urine or blood, when the lab determines you have the stuff in your system, you get a DUI. Even if you haven’t smoked pot in weeks, if it shows up in the test, they can give you a DUI. That’s how it works. I’m pissed the little brat won’t get a DUI.
July 5th, 2007 at 2:17 pmHe must be getting into his son’s stash again.
July 5th, 2007 at 2:18 pmSince Al Gore is enjoying so much notoriety, how about making bets on his kids being tailed and purposely entrapped?? Everyone smelling a rat today, please raise their hand. ‘nuf said on that count….NEXT!!
Comment by veritas
Of course it has to be entrapment, because Gore can do no wrong so how could his kid?
July 5th, 2007 at 2:18 pmGore is right – this may be Chimpy’s Archibald Cox moment.
July 5th, 2007 at 2:18 pmComment by CT_V1, Dean of Dissent — July 5, 2007 @ 2:16 pm
Al’s got “the green” all right!
Yet there are curious emissions coming from his estate…
July 5th, 2007 at 2:18 pmHI Zooey (and all others)! FLW sucks!
Comment by hacker bob — July 5, 2007 @ 1:55 pm
Hi, Robert!! Great to see you back! All moved in? :)
Regarding the rest of your comment — wasn’t it you who was mightily defending the fact the Dr Laura’s son was all grown up and responsible for himself, and his behavior ought not reflect on her? Seems like a double standard to me, Robert.
July 5th, 2007 at 2:19 pmComment by Mr. President — July 5, 2007 @ 2:16 pm
Good comment, Mr. President.
July 5th, 2007 at 2:19 pmActually that Gore kid was pretty loaded up. All the best RX narcotics, you have the downers, the uppers, and the opiates. Plus the pot was probably high quality. The priviliged do have a different justice system. Right Scooter?
July 5th, 2007 at 2:19 pmOf course it has to be entrapment, because Gore can do no wrong so how could his kid?
Comment by wow! — July 5, 2007 @ 2:18 pm
True.
Because he is the Goracle!!!
His kid is the Goracle III!!!
July 5th, 2007 at 2:19 pm“All a bunch of hearsay. They don’t have criminal records!
Comment by m12 — July 5, 2007 @ 2:16 pm”
If they weren’t sheilded by the President, you can bet your a$$ that they would have been arrested by now.
I guess it is just NORMAL for an underaged girl to get into a club and have alcohol served to them, while the Secret Service gaurds them from ANY police????
NITWIT.
July 5th, 2007 at 2:20 pmWhat do you think Gore offers the President for a commutation?
July 5th, 2007 at 2:21 pmAG Jr and AGIII are fair game, as are the Bush twins and Bush.
Comment by hacker bob(welcome back, dude) — July 5, 2007 @ 2:09 pm
and so is the daughter of Jeb Bush, who illegally obtained Xanax, a “controlled substance”.
but unlike the trolls here, I really don’t care (unless she tried to have her forged Rx filled at my pharmacy, or someone’s injury or death was a direct result of her abuse) about her personal demons. But, even though I personally dislike Jeb, I never…EVER criticized him for her lack of sensibility and control. She’s an adult, she needs to take responsibility. Leave Jeb out of it. Same goes for Jr and his father!
Now, about the Priest and Ozzy. I still listen to them routinely, although my experimental “daze” are, as Ernie Halwell says, loooooong gone!!!
July 5th, 2007 at 2:21 pmConservatron sez:
Al Gore III story is not news? yet Bush’s daughter getting drunk is news?
Not much on reading comprehension, are you?
I never maintained that the shenanigans of the Bush twins was news. Don’t try to put words in my mouth…you’re not very good at it.
why don’t you tell us all how many times the Bush daughters have been arrested, and then tell us how many times Al Gore III has been arrested.
I see…it only matters if you’re caught. What a remarkably Repuke attitude. Well done, dolt.
Comment by TripMaster Monkey — July 5, 2007 @ 2:17 pm
BWAHAHAHAHA!!!
so desperate! so, please were is your proof that the Bush girls used and abused narcotics?
now look at the police records that show Al Gore III caught using and abusing narcotics.
hAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
besides what do you care, idiot. Barack Obama, who has admitted to heavily have used and abused cocaine is adored by you left wingers. Yet with hearsay evidence about Bush’s alleged cocaine usage, the left wingtards of america said Bush should never be President because he used cocaine.
will you Libtards use your same standards against Bush, against Obama?
hypocrites and imbeciles you Libtards are.
July 5th, 2007 at 2:21 pmEvil JoooooooooooOOOOOOOOOooooooooooOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOooos.
Where’s ace?
Comment by Flaco — July 5, 2007 @ 2:17 pm
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Flaco,
Once again you’ve upped the anti!!!
July 5th, 2007 at 2:22 pmIf you really believe that the VICE-PRESIDENT’S CHIEF OF STAFF wasn’t aware of what was being said about Joe and Valerie Wilson in the White House, you truly are a hopeless kool-aid drinker.
Comment by LibStl
And who is to say based on evidence that anybody in the White House said anything about Joe and Valerie.
July 5th, 2007 at 2:22 pmWhat do you think Gore offers the President for a commutation?
Comment by m12
Bottle of Jim Beam and some pink assed coke.
July 5th, 2007 at 2:22 pmConservatron, I think he’s as much a mind reader as those Reps on here who “know” Libby just “misremembered” everything.
July 5th, 2007 at 2:22 pmI won’t even flatter Mr. P’s comment to me with an attempt to ascertain what this a$$hole is implying…..because he hasn’t posted one signular item on any of these threads that anyone gives a damn about or has one shred of credibility. All he posts is drivel…pure, rancid drivel.
Comment by veritas
Mr President is a troll now.
I tried for quite a while to give him the benefit of the doubt, but he’s simply a troll.
July 5th, 2007 at 2:23 pmAll a bunch of hearsay. They don’t have criminal records!
Comment by m12 — July 5, 2007 @ 2:16 pm
Jeb’s kid does.
And I guess this doesn’t count for Jenna:
President Bush’s 19-year-old daughter Jenna was fined $600 Friday and her driver’s license was suspended for 30 days on charges of underage drinking and trying to use someone else’s ID to buy liquor.
July 5th, 2007 at 2:23 pmComment by CT_V1, Dean of Dissent — July 5, 2007 @ 2:16 pm
Al’s got “the green†all right!
Yet there are curious emissions coming from his estate…
Comment by Mr. President — July 5, 2007 @ 2:18 pm
Well the real question is this…..how much did Al Gore III populate the air with all his marijuana burning and smoking?
Al Gore II should be ashamed of his son. :) his son polluting the air while he is trying to clean it up.
July 5th, 2007 at 2:23 pmWas it Jeb’s daughter that was busted for crack a year or so back?
July 5th, 2007 at 2:23 pmm12 sez:
http://www.thefirsttwins.com/refs/chron20010601.html
And don’t even get me started on Noelle…
July 5th, 2007 at 2:23 pmComment by Mr. President — July 5, 2007 @ 2:16 pm
Good comment, Mr. President.
Comment by Mr. President — July 5, 2007 @ 2:19 pm
I think this may be against the law in Alabama now. It is like riding a moped though, great fun until your friends catch you doing it.
July 5th, 2007 at 2:24 pmAl Gore is a raving looney.
July 5th, 2007 at 2:24 pmConservatron, I think he’s as much a mind reader as those Reps on here who “know†Libby just “misremembered†everything.
Comment by Wilco — July 5, 2007 @ 2:22 pm
So you are admitting that Al Gore is talking out of his ass as usual, right?
thanks Wilco, that much we know. Al Gore is pure hot air, nothing else. poor fool don’t you think?
July 5th, 2007 at 2:24 pmAl Gore is right that Libby had incriminating knowledge about the WH, and that’s why his sentence was commuted.
The Bush administration will go down in flames because of it, as it should.
July 5th, 2007 at 2:25 pmGoing after the children of politicians is the lowest form of attack. Almost every large family in America has a wayward son or daughter. One of my younger brothers has always been a screw-up and will never change. He is in his 40s now and must take full responsibility for his actions. Gore’s son is an adult, living away from his parents, so Al & Tipper are not responsible for any stupid things he does.
July 5th, 2007 at 2:25 pmm12 sez:
“All a bunch of hearsay. They don’t have criminal records!
http://www.thefirsttwins.com/refs/chron20010601.html
And don’t even get me started on Noelle…
Comment by TripMaster Monkey — July 5, 2007 @ 2:23 pm
Yeah Libtard, like we are suppose to believe a website that hates Conservatives and hate Bush and his daughters, right?
fcking idiot, how pathetic and stupid of you.
July 5th, 2007 at 2:26 pmSince the trolls have already polluted the thread – I just saw SiCKO. It really makes me want to move to France…
I think it’s Moore’s less dramatic movie, but it’s still filled with his brilliance for pointing out the obvious and his great sense of humor.
It’s too bad we only get one Michael Moore film every three years… We need a lot more of his brand of honesty and fearlessness when it comes to asking the tough questions.
I’ll be buying it on DVD and loaning it to all of my friends. Every American should see this film, do some research of his or her own and demand National Health Care for all.
On topic: Gore/Obama ‘08!
July 5th, 2007 at 2:26 pmComment by pseudo-Mr. President — July 5, 2007 @ 2:23 pm
July 5th, 2007 at 2:26 pmYou sir are a coward and a fraud.
“besides what do you care, idiot. Barack Obama, who has admitted to heavily have used and abused cocaine is adored by you left wingers. Yet with hearsay evidence about Bush’s alleged cocaine usage, the left wingtards of america said Bush should never be President because he used cocaine.
will you Libtards use your same standards against Bush, against Obama?
hypocrites and imbeciles you Libtards are.
Comment by Conservatron — July 5, 2007 @ 2:21 pm”
You mentioned WHY Obama is not such an issue with getting the WH….
“Obama, who has admitted to heavily have used and abused cocaine”
Bush denies it even though there are whitnesses and other evidence to the fact. People can accept someone who tells the TRUTH, but despise someon who LIES.
I don’t expect you to understand MORALS, since your a Republican…..
Let’s see… Does Ted Haggard, Mark Foley, Bush (Abromhof), etc…
July 5th, 2007 at 2:26 pmRing any bells????
Conservatron sez:
There’s that appalling lack of reading comprehension again…
Provide the post where I claimed that the Bush twins used narcotics. Failing that (as you are doomed to), you may apologize for your clumsy attempt to move the goalposts. Don’t feel bad, though…m12 had already tried it before you.
July 5th, 2007 at 2:26 pmLibby ain’t G. Gordon Libby, but he probably wouldn’t have spill the beans anyway. He’s part of the W group.
Deny, evade but never tell!!!!
July 5th, 2007 at 2:27 pmLOS ANGELES (Reuters) – The 24-year-old son of former Vice President Al Gore was arrested for drug possession on Wednesday after he was stopped for speeding in his hybrid Toyota Prius, a sheriff’s official said.
Al Gore III — whose father is a leading advocate of policies to fight global warming — was driving his environmentally friendly car at about 100 miles per hour on a freeway south of Los Angeles when he was pulled over by an Orange County sheriff’s deputy at about 2:15 a.m.
The deputy smelled marijuana and searched the car, said sheriff’s spokesman Jim Amormino. The search turned up a small amount of marijuana, along with prescription drugs including Valium, Xanax, Vicodin, Adderall and Soma. There were no prescriptions found, he said.
TP here is your new Headline:
Al Gore III’s war on drugs!
Al Jr. was taking all these drugs to the local authorities as evidence..
July 5th, 2007 at 2:27 pmstory at 11…
I just saw SiCKO. It really makes me want to move to France…
Comment by unbelievable
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Please do.
July 5th, 2007 at 2:28 pmComment by pseudo-Mr. President — July 5, 2007 @ 2:19 pm
July 5th, 2007 at 2:28 pmYou sir, are a coward.
Everyone but a couple trolls know that Libby has the goods on the Chimpya and the Sith Lord.
July 5th, 2007 at 2:29 pmConservatron sez:
Translation:
<fingers in ears>
LALALALALA I CAN’T HEAR YOU!
Sheesh, you’re pathetic. You’re entitled to your own opinions, Conservatron, but you’re not entitled to your own facts. Sorry.
July 5th, 2007 at 2:29 pmWell, finally someone has spoken up. It’s too bad it had to be someone who is no longer in our government.
Gore is 100% correct and I believe what Bush did was a criminal act. He commuted the sentence of someone who had evidence that he had committed a crime. If that is not illegal, it damn well should be.
July 5th, 2007 at 2:29 pmRingo,
She’ll move to France, still vote absentee, and still access this site. No better for you. LOL!
July 5th, 2007 at 2:30 pmhypocrites and imbeciles you Libtards are.
Comment by Conservatron
Except not as moronic as the Troll whose only ammo for this thread deals with a completely IRRELEVANT matter.
Nice straw man…got any more to burn?
July 5th, 2007 at 2:30 pmJust don’t get sick in this country.
/sarcasm
July 5th, 2007 at 2:30 pmjust saw SiCKO. It really makes me want to move to France…
Comment by unbelievable
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Please do.
Comment by Ringo
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Make up your mind Amsterdam or France.
July 5th, 2007 at 2:31 pm“Speculation without evidence.
Comment by wow! ”
Well, wow, that is all we can do, speculate since we can’t get the evidence because everyone is lying to cover up the crimes of Bush and Chaney. That’s why Bush commuted Libby’s sentence. So that the truth will never see the light of day. But, I think that he blew it because Congress can call Libby to testify now with an offer of immunity. And then Libby will have no choice but to tell what he knows. If he doesn’t, he will be thrown in jail for Contempt of Congress.
So sneer on little man. Sneer all you want because your world is crumbling in around your head.
July 5th, 2007 at 2:31 pmEveryone but a couple trolls know that Libby has the goods on the Chimpya and the Sith Lord.
Comment by ForTroof — July 5
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You know this how?….Just feel it deep inside?
July 5th, 2007 at 2:32 pm“GORE: Well it’s different because in this case the person involved is charged with activities that involve knowledge of what his superiors in the White House did.”
Anyone remember the firing of Archibald Cox?
July 5th, 2007 at 2:32 pmConserv, I admit Gore is at best speculating. Everyone here does the same thing.
July 5th, 2007 at 2:33 pmIt’s ridiculous to accuse him of such.
So you’re admitting Reps talk out of their asses for insisting Libby was just misremembering?
Katie! Right on! And this is precisely where Congress wants Scooter to be right now. The Truth will not be far behind all of this smokescreen that Libby’s trial and perjury has effectively accomplished….it’s coming down and coming fast on this administration.
July 5th, 2007 at 2:33 pm“besides what do you care, idiot. Barack Obama, who has admitted to heavily have used and abused cocaine is adored by you left wingers. Yet with hearsay evidence about Bush’s alleged cocaine usage, the left wingtards of america said Bush should never be President because he used cocaine.
will you Libtards use your same standards against Bush, against Obama?
hypocrites and imbeciles you Libtards are.
Comment by Conservatron — July 5, 2007 @ 2:21 pmâ€
You mentioned WHY Obama is not such an issue with getting the WH….
“Obama, who has admitted to heavily have used and abused cocaineâ€
Bush denies it even though there are whitnesses and other evidence to the fact. People can accept someone who tells the TRUTH, but despise someon who LIES.
I don’t expect you to understand MORALS, since your a Republican…..
Let’s see… Does Ted Haggard, Mark Foley, Bush (Abromhof), etc…
Ring any bells????
Comment by RemoveBush — July 5, 2007 @ 2:26 pm
Oh shut up you liar. I have never heard one Liberal claim that Bush shouldn’t be President because he LIED about his supposed cocaine usage. But I have heard countless of liberal media fools, liberal pundits etc say that he shouldn’t be President because he used cocaine.
as usual Libtards only apply their “moral” rules against Republicans, but throw them away when it comes to the Liberals.
how truly pathetic and hypocritical of you, don’t you all think?
July 5th, 2007 at 2:33 pmIt’s interesting… The trolls are attacking Gore’s grown son, because they have NOTHING on Gore himself. LOL.
To every troll here who is demanding the death penalty for Gore III: Let he who is without sin cast the first stone. In other words, unless YOU’VE never been stoned or drunk while driving, then you are just a Rush Limbaugh Hypocrite…
July 5th, 2007 at 2:33 pmWell, I just saw this story now! Just unbelievable!
Fitzgerald To Investigate ‘Just About Everybody’ In Valerie Plame Identity Leak On the heels of President Bush’s decision yesterday to commute the prison sentence of former White House aide I. Lewis ”Scooter” Libby, Special Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald announced today that he would begin investigating “just about everybody”, to find out if they had ever discussed Valerie Plame’s CIA position with any of their friends, neighbors or family members.
“Scooter Libby may have been the second or third person after Richard Armitage to discuss Valerie Plame’s CIA status ,” Fitzgerald said, “But I’m sure there are millions of other people who’ve discussed this very same topic with their friends and family members. And I plan on nailing every single one of those….. more here
July 5th, 2007 at 2:34 pmfor the record, the infamous twins do have records as does bro’ Jebbie’s kids and wifey-poo, too. Imagine that??!! We could also get into Cheney’s 3 DUI’s as well as the Shrub’s own record if that’s what you want….but perhaps you really don’t??
July 5th, 2007 at 2:34 pmYeah Ringo, I know it the same way you just know the WMD’s were moved to Syria.
July 5th, 2007 at 2:34 pmConserv, I admit Gore is at best speculating. Everyone here does the same thing.
It’s ridiculous to accuse him of such.
So you’re admitting Reps talk out of their asses for insisting Libby was just misremembering?
Comment by Wilco — July 5, 2007 @ 2:33 pm
yes, of course Reps are talking out of their behind trying to safe Libby, as much as the Dems are talking out of their behind trying to fry him.
The fact is that unless you have a mind reader it is impossible to know what Libby knows and doesn’t know, or what he remembers or doesn’t remember.
Al Gore is talking out of his ass and it stinks bad.
July 5th, 2007 at 2:34 pmTrolls have their own unique “style” of reading that one can argue reflects the way they view the world in general. Gloss over, ahem, ignore, facts that disagree with their preconceived viewpoints, and then twist a whole other subject out of what was just read to make sure others aren’t exposed to the truth.
Actually, they just lie. A lot.
Which I guess explains their adoration for King George the Liar.
July 5th, 2007 at 2:34 pmWhoa man…
I’m trippin’ on acid!
July 5th, 2007 at 2:35 pmIt’s interesting… The trolls are attacking Gore’s grown son, because they have NOTHING on Gore himself. LOL.
To every troll here who is demanding the death penalty for Gore III: Let he who is without sin cast the first stone. In other words, unless YOU’VE never been stoned or drunk while driving, then you are just a Rush Limbaugh Hypocrite…
Comment by unbelievable — July 5, 2007 @ 2:33 pm
Actually, Libtard, we have lots on Al Gore, but it is fun to go after his son the same way that you Libtards have gone after Bush’s daughters.
what is good for the gander, is good for the goose, my Libtard.
July 5th, 2007 at 2:35 pmRethugs have no moral ground upon which to stand at this point with all of the criminals in their corner…We’ve never really gotten into the Mark Foley, Denny Hastert, Bohner manage a trois yet, have we??
July 5th, 2007 at 2:36 pmI want to move to HamptsterFrance. It’s my new ideology, Islamo-AmpsterFranconian. I just made that up. Don’t say you found it somewhere else.
July 5th, 2007 at 2:36 pmAs well, if the Dems keep looking like sycophantic Bushwipes themselves, they, too, will be hoisted out of office when their next terms roll around…just like all of the war mongers who will be waving good bye soon.
July 5th, 2007 at 2:37 pmTrolls have their own unique “style†of reading that one can argue reflects the way they view the world in general. Gloss over, ahem, ignore, facts that disagree with their preconceived viewpoints, and then twist a whole other subject out of what was just read to make sure others aren’t exposed to the truth.
Actually, they just lie. A lot.
Which I guess explains their adoration for King George the Liar.
Comment by Tweedster — July 5, 2007 @ 2:34 pm
BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! this coming from the ignorant Libtard who claimed that Henry Cisneros wasn’t part of the Clinton administration.
Shut up you poorly educationg, uninformed pathetic retard. Your mommy is calling you to go play in the sandbox.
July 5th, 2007 at 2:37 pmShe’ll move to France, still vote absentee, and still access this site. No better for you. LOL!
Comment by ForTruth — July 5, 2007 @ 2:30 pm
LOL
That movie was really emotionally draining but equally encouraging to change things.
He had dinner with a group of Americans living in Paris.
July 5th, 2007 at 2:37 pmRingo, dammit! You were wearing my fishnets again and you put a damn run in them! I told you once, boy, stop wearing my underthings!
Now get out there and pull that washing off the line afore it gets rained on! Move it!
July 5th, 2007 at 2:37 pmLook, the whole attacking the family thing has been going on forever. I have seen countless posts here attacking both the Bush and Cheney families, and they were stupid, childish posts. Now, I see the Gore family getting slaughtered, and again it’s pretty stupid and childish. Then, everyone starts fighting about “the twins did this, Gore the 3rd did this..”…whatever.
July 5th, 2007 at 2:37 pmIt’s sad that BOTH sides can’t saty on the actual public servant and leave their families alone, but that’s the nature of the game. Bottom line, most politicians families are f*cked up, regardless of party.
Next subject please!
Conservatron, GW’s drug use is way down the ladder on why this asshat shouldn’t be president. Just because you didn’t hear anyone discuss it means nothing.
GW hides his evil deeds and you turn a blind eye. Any outrage you show at anyone is hollow until admit that GW was cutting lines while he should have been in uniform.
July 5th, 2007 at 2:37 pmFor truth: I’m coming with you….anything to get out of this christofascist-straussian corruptonian state we’re in!! Cryptonian or c’rruptonian??
July 5th, 2007 at 2:38 pmMake up your mind Amsterdam or France.
Comment by Flaco — July 5, 2007 @ 2:31 pm
He had dinner with a group of Americans living in Paris – hence the reference to France.
Holland has National Health Care too. The United States is the only Industrialized Nation that doesn’t.
July 5th, 2007 at 2:39 pmah yes….Leo Strauss’s dream – Fascist america!
July 5th, 2007 at 2:39 pmAnd #143 was off-topic…borne out of frustration caused by Trolls linking this thread with Al Gore’s son.
July 5th, 2007 at 2:40 pmIt’s interesting… The trolls are attacking Gore’s grown son, because they have NOTHING on Gore himself. LOL.
Comment by unbelievable — July 5, 2007 @ 2:33 pm
for some reason, Gore scares the bejebbus out of the right. why do they attack a man who in no way threatens them politically?
July 5th, 2007 at 2:42 pmI mean, he’s not running for President. Why go after an ex politician’s son?
unless of course, you’ve got nothing on Gore himself, and deep down, you know this country would be much better off (and safer) had not the Supreme Court intervened with the true outcome of 2000
(see trolls, I can project and produce strawmen, just like youse guys)
Yeah I’m moving to Islamo-Libtardistan. I just made that up too.
July 5th, 2007 at 2:42 pmComment by Mr. President — July 5, 2007 @ 2:35 pm
You got in touch wit AL?
WHAT’S HIS NUMBA?
July 5th, 2007 at 2:43 pmI want to move to HamptsterFrance. It’s my new ideology, Islamo-AmpsterFranconian. I just made that up. Don’t say you found it somewhere else.
Comment by ForTruth — July 5, 2007 @ 2:36 pm
Another cool thing about being single – you can! :D
I’ve spent a lot of time in France, and I think it would be a great place to live. Sure they have less things than we do, but personally, I don’t consider that a bad thing. Especially when you replace things with experiences… You don’t have to clean, repair, move experiences :D
July 5th, 2007 at 2:44 pmAl has perfected the growing of chronic with no carbon footprint. He’s way cool.
July 5th, 2007 at 2:44 pmI believe that Al III fuels his Toyota Prius using a juicer and Ganja leaves.
Efficiency at work.
July 5th, 2007 at 2:45 pmPuh-leeze. Libby’s pardon is protection from criminalization of politics. Clinton’s pardons were direct quid pro quos to make Clinton and Hillary’s brohters wealthier. What about the FALN terror pardons on Hillary’s behalf?
The left is shooting themselves in the foot over Libby. Please keep it in the headlines. We’ll will gladly wrap Clinton’s pardon party around Hillary’s neck for the next two weeks and make her even more unpopular among undecided independents.
Thank you Think Progress.
July 5th, 2007 at 2:46 pmHello, I’m Ronald Reagan, former president and TRAITOR to the USA!
Now, I’m DEAD and BURNING IN HELL.
My Master Satan told me to remind everyone how:
1. Jeb Bush’s daughter got busted for FAKE PRESCRIPTONS 3 TIMES.
Jeb said it was a “FAMILY MATTER”
2. Rush got busted for Oxycontin and “Doctor Shopping”
He said his records concerning the drug purchases were PRIVATE.
3. GW Bush, Master’s EVIL PROTEGE, was a cocaine addict and alcoholic. YOUTHFUL INDISCRETIONS, right???
Anyway, Master Satan wants to tell his followers (the Bush followers) how much he LOVES your HYPOCRISY!! YOU’LL be here SOON!!
Satan Bless the Bushes and Cheneys,
Treasonously yours from hell,
Traitor Ronnie and my Master Satan
July 5th, 2007 at 2:47 pmThe french sure do have funny accents. And many finely developed ways to surrender. And good cheese and wine. Berets.
July 5th, 2007 at 2:47 pmConservatron sez:
First, detail what you thing you ‘have’ on Al Gore. Please be specific.
Second, Find a TP topic that details the substance abuse problems of the Bush twins, and I’ll allow that a similar one is deserved concerning Al Gore III’s speeding and possession charge.
Third, try to realize that even if such a thread is thus allowed, this thread isn’t it. I know it’s difficult for your Kool-Aid drinkers, but an honest effort to remain on-topic would be appreciated.
July 5th, 2007 at 2:48 pmThe French know how to kiss, and the Greek, well, leave that one alone.
July 5th, 2007 at 2:49 pmmI12?,
July 5th, 2007 at 2:49 pmYou can mine the following site for the arrests of members of the Bush Family:
http://www.buzzflash.com/perspectives/bushvalues.html
Their rap sheets must read like Al Capone’s
Conserv –
Cisneros didn’t resign hours after being indicted. Nor did the Clinton White House interfere with his prosecution or sentencing and Clinton’s pardon came down about two years after Cisneros reached a plea agreement.
A difference of degree I guess…although my CLAIM, which remains accurate, is that by the time Cisneros was pardoned by Clinton he was not involved intimately with that administration.
Keep name calling…its about all you’ve got.
July 5th, 2007 at 2:50 pmGood to see Ronnie got a break to write a message in-between being butt-f*cked by Satan.
July 5th, 2007 at 2:50 pmTwo famous quotes from the US greatest president:
“I did not inhale…”
“I did not have sex with that women…”
No wonder Al Jr is screwed up.
July 5th, 2007 at 2:50 pmSo….Trolls, gotta question for you. If Gore’s kid’s legal issues somehow justify the Libby _pardon_ (yeah, I know, Bush didn’t pardon him, he *commuted* his jail sentence, but it’s basically the same thing, and we all know the pardon is coming), then…well, uh, um…..when does Bush commute Gore’s kid’s punishment? Ah…I see. Hypocrits projecting their hypocracy on others. We’re letting the law take its course, and you can’t imagine that we’d say “OK” to Gore’s kid getting the appropriate punishment. And even if he did, use it while you still can, to try to make up for your guy’s abuse of justice. Hmm…I do believe the ladi…err, trolls doth protest to much…
July 5th, 2007 at 2:50 pmAnd who is to say based on evidence that anybody in the White House said anything about Joe and Valerie.
Comment by wow! — July 5, 2007 @ 2:22 pm
Let’s see…how about the op-ed with Cheney’s handwriting on it “did his wife send him on a junket?” Shows at least Cheney was talking about it. Who was his Chief of Staff again? Oh yes. Scooter Libby.
July 5th, 2007 at 2:52 pmFlaco thats sort of a stretch to say Gore’s kid’s problems are due to Clinton’s behaviors while in office. C’mon pal, you can do better.
July 5th, 2007 at 2:53 pm175, sad part is, Flaco CANT do better than that.
July 5th, 2007 at 2:54 pmDRxJ,
Seems that the spam filter ate my response to you… While leaving troll crappings untouched…
July 5th, 2007 at 2:54 pmUn, wouldn’t YOU leave troll crappings untouched?
July 5th, 2007 at 2:56 pmHello, I’m Ronald Reagan, former president and TRAITOR to the USA.
Now, I’m DEAD and BURNING IN HELL, and YOU CAN TOO!
OF COURSE Bush KNOWS about LIBBY. Cheney, too!
They are ALL TRAITORS, just like ME and Bush Sr.
Who pardoned an INTERNATIONAL TERRORIST, Oriando Bosch.
And all of the IRAN/CONTRA criminals that would have put MY ass and Bush Sr. in JAIL for the TREASON that we committed.
Master Satan LOVES the PURE EVIL which is Bush and his followers, and he promises ALL OF YOU a very SPECIAL PLACE IN HELL with him.
Remember. I was a TRAITOR to the USA.
So was Bush Sr.
So are Bush Jr. and Cheney.
Satan Bless the Bushes and Cheneys,
Treasonously yours,
Traitor Ronnie and my Master Satan
July 5th, 2007 at 2:57 pmTo every troll here who is demanding the death penalty for Gore III: Let he who is without sin cast the first stone. In other words, unless YOU’VE never been stoned or drunk while driving, then you are just a Rush Limbaugh Hypocrite…
Comment by unbelievable
Since I have never used drugs and have never driven drunk I can say whatever I want about Gore’s son?
July 5th, 2007 at 2:59 pmGore/Hilton/Lohan/Spears in 2020!
Comment by m12 — July 5, 2007 @ 2:03 pm
HA!
Comment by Mr. President — July 5, 2007 @ 2:06 pm
The same Spears that campaigned for Bush? So you’re saying that republicans are turncoats? Or that young Republicans repent of all that sinning and become Democrats?
July 5th, 2007 at 3:01 pmTwo famous quotes from the US greatest president:
“We never negotiate with terrorists!”
“Ketchup is a vegetable.”
July 5th, 2007 at 3:04 pmMaster Satan thinks a Rush Limbaugh/Noelle Bush combination running for office in 2008 is a PURE EVIL combination!!
Satan Bless the Bushes, Cheneys and their PURE EVIL supporters,
Treasonously yours,
Traitor Ronnie and my Master Satan
July 5th, 2007 at 3:04 pmI’ll take Gore’s son any day doing the immature American right of passage thing, rather than Dr. Lowra’s Nazi son with racist,child molesting,torture cooments and cartoons on his website.Dirty little fruity Fuc*’er Dereyk Schlesinger.
July 5th, 2007 at 3:05 pmComment by Ronald Reagan and Master Satan — July 5, 2007 @ 3:04 pm
CHENEY 2008!!! †
July 5th, 2007 at 3:05 pmwow! sez:
Not really, since your claim to have never used drugs or driven drunk is apocryphal, and thus not worthy of consideration.
In short, we don’t believe you.
July 5th, 2007 at 3:07 pmComment by Ronald Reagan and Master Satan
I guess someone’s ears were burning…
July 5th, 2007 at 3:07 pmSince I have never used drugs and have never driven drunk I can say whatever I want about Gore’s son?
Comment by wow!
You know, aspirins are drugs.
“We never negotiate with terrorists!â€
“Ketchup is a vegetable.â€
Comment by barfly
“Where wings take dreams”
July 5th, 2007 at 3:08 pm“You don’t have to clean, repair, move experiences :D”
Comment by unbelievable
I like that one, thanks
July 5th, 2007 at 3:09 pmHell, I’m Ronald Reagan. STILL DEAD and BURNING IN HELL,
and YOU can, too!!
Weeellll, yes, it IS about time for Cheney to have his HEART ATTACK.
Master Satan says he will DIE face down licking Jeff Gannon’s azzhole!
Master Satan LOVES the PURE EVIL of Cheney, and will be SMASHING CHENEY’S FACE every hour for ETERNITY.
And Bush Jr. will get his TESTICLES RIPPED OFF and fed to Ann Coulter.
Satan Bless the Bushes, Cheneys and their azz-licking supporters.
Treasonously yours from the depths of hell,
Traitor Ronnie and my Master Satan
July 5th, 2007 at 3:10 pmConservatron,
“BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! this coming from the ignorant Libtard who claimed that Henry Cisneros wasn’t part of the Clinton administration.”
He was part of the administration, but he wasn’t spared jail time by Clinton pardoning him. Neither was Marc Rich. MArc Rich ahd done some time, and Cisneros was never sentenced to prison. That doesn’t mean that I agree with those pardons. But there are substantive differences.
July 5th, 2007 at 3:10 pmUh having both driven too fast, and ocassionaly used restricted substances, I guess I can’t say anything about Al Gore III. hehehehehehe
July 5th, 2007 at 3:12 pmCrump, Clinton pardoned a fugitive. That’s pretty bad. Whether he served time or not, Rich fled the country and the justice system.
July 5th, 2007 at 3:13 pmComment by Ronald Reagan and Master Satan — July 5, 2007 @ 3:10 pm
July 5th, 2007 at 3:15 pmCHENEY for PRES. in ‘08!!! †
Massive GOPer troll activity on TP lately, so Karl Rove has beefed up the funding for attacks on liberal blogs again.
July 5th, 2007 at 3:15 pmIt’s interesting… The trolls are attacking Gore’s grown son, because they have NOTHING on Gore himself. LOL.
To every troll here who is demanding the death penalty for Gore III: Let he who is without sin cast the first stone. In other words, unless YOU’VE never been stoned or drunk while driving, then you are just a Rush Limbaugh Hypocrite…
Comment by unbelievable
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Let he who is without sin cast the first stone….
There you go again quoting scripture..
July 5th, 2007 at 3:16 pmdamn why does an atheist use the bible? That very illogical ya know
Crump, Clinton pardoned a fugitive. That’s pretty bad. Whether he served time or not, Rich fled the country and the justice system.
Hello, I’m Ronald Reagan. DEAD and BURNING IN HELL.
Master Satan wants me to remind you all that Bush 41, my TRAITOROUS Veep,
pardoned Orlando Bosch, an INTERNATIONAL TERRORIST, still in Miami.
And also the Iran/Contra CRIMINALS, in order to save HIS azz and MINE from the SLAMMER.
Satan Bless the Bushes, Cheneys, and their TREASONOUS supporters.
He LOVES you SO MUCH for the EVIL you have done…
Treasonously yours,
Traitor Ronnie and my Master Satan
July 5th, 2007 at 3:17 pmUh having both driven too fast, and ocassionaly used restricted substances, I guess I can’t say anything about Al Gore III. hehehehehehe
Comment by Krazny
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Then next time no comments about Bush twins having fun. Agreed.
Speaking of driving a car recklessly: it was Laura Bush who killed her high school boyfriend by running him over in her car.
Somehow, speeding doesn’t seem like such a big deal if you don’t kill someone in the process, does it Laura?
July 5th, 2007 at 3:19 pmFlaco sez:
Rather than constructing cogent arguments that are inevitably lost upon you, we find it more efficient to simply turn your STUPID against itself.
Are you making the argument that Scripture does not apply in this instance, because it was pointed out by an atheist?
July 5th, 2007 at 3:20 pmWilco,
“Crump, Clinton pardoned a fugitive. That’s pretty bad. Whether he served time or not, Rich fled the country and the justice system.”
I don’t support the Rich Pardon. I don’t support unfettered power of pardon at all. THis is where it gets us.
I was trying to point out the difference in Rich and Libby. Rich actually did some time. Libby did not. Bush spared him any real punishment. Bush spared himself the danger of Libby talking.
July 5th, 2007 at 3:22 pm“There you go again quoting scripture..
damn why does an atheist use the bible? That very illogical ya know”
Comment by Flaco
To point out religious hypocrisy. It’s very easy to claim “God says this, or Jesus says that” to a biblically-illiterate audience. It why conservatives are such sheep: they are too lazy to read it themselves, preferring the predigested pap of evangelism.
Go figure.
July 5th, 2007 at 3:22 pmTripMaster Monkey
I don’t drink, or take drugs (Mainly due to my character flaws rather then virtues: I am just a wee bit of a control freak) so I suppose I can lob a few stones.
Gore III I hereby sentence you to the fate of all screwed up C-list celebrities who owe their celebrity to being related to someone who actually earned.
You are hereby sentenced to:
1: Make best buds with Paris Hilton and have to watch Britney Spears exit her vehicle. Repeatedly.
2: You are then to find God, and appear on Larry King claiming to have reformed.
3: Refrain from quoting your favourite Bible passage.
4: You are also sentenced to sleep with Kevin Federline. After watching Britney exiting vehicles often enough, you should be thoroughly gay, this will make you straight again.
5: Tell everyone how you managed to go that fast in a Prius.
July 5th, 2007 at 3:22 pmRonnie, seriously?
July 5th, 2007 at 3:24 pmFirst, a bit over the top. You’re stooping to a level you shouldn’t.
Second, Crump seemed to possibly be defending that particular pardon. I disagree. I still don’t get how disagreeing with people on this site makes me a neocon. That’s just bad reasoning there.
I know there have been worse pardons, sure. But that particular pardon was bad and I don’t feel it should be defended. Rich fled YOUR justice system. He showed no remorse for his crime by fleeing the country. He snubbed his nose at the justice system.
Being a democrat does not make that right.
To me, that’s sound reasoning, not some partisan garbage from a neocon.
I’d have to call someone “‘tard” every sentence for that to be the case.
Thankfully, I have a better vocabulary and upbringing for me to do that.
I might add, Libby is no longer ‘changed’ with perjury and obstruction of justice he has been convicted and in an appeal the court upheld this conviction.
And unfortunately I have to remind everyone that President Clinton was acquitted of perjury and obstruction of justice charges.
And I agree ‘Scotter’ has the administration’s family jewels firmly in his grip and is playing that chip.
Comment by Kevin Good — July 5, 2007 @ 1:52 pm
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In April 1999, Judge Wright found President Clinton in civil contempt of court for misleading testimony in the Jones case. She ordered Clinton to pay Jones $91,000 for the expenses incurred as the result of Clinton’s evasive and misleading answers. [4] Wright then referred Clinton’s conduct to the Arkansas Bar for disciplinary action, and on January 19, 2001, the day before President Clinton left the White House, Clinton entered into an agreement with the Arkansas Bar and Independent Counsel Robert Ray under which Clinton consented to a five-year suspension of his law license. [5]
With the adducement of further evidence in the case President Clinton was held in contempt of court by judge Susan Webber Wright[6]. His license to practice law was suspended in Arkansas and later by the United States Supreme Court [7]. He was also fined $90,000 [8]. His fine was paid for by a legal fund raised for his legal expenses.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paula_Jones
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Clean as the driven snow!
July 5th, 2007 at 3:25 pmUn, wouldn’t YOU leave troll crappings untouched?
Comment by Wilco — July 5, 2007 @ 2:56 pm
Good point…
July 5th, 2007 at 3:25 pmI like that one, thanks
Comment by Raven — July 5, 2007 @ 3:09 pm
Sure… I learned that one the hard way… :(
July 5th, 2007 at 3:29 pmMassive troll droppings on all the threads today. Really stinking up this site bigtime > lol.
July 5th, 2007 at 3:29 pmAnyone remember the firing of Archibald Cox?
Comment by ann — July 5, 2007 @ 2:32 pm
Yup, back at ya!
July 5th, 2007 at 3:31 pmComment by TerrytheTurtle — July 5, 2007 @ 2:18 pm
Un, I never have a bad point. But thanks for the ego boost.
July 5th, 2007 at 3:31 pmThere you go again quoting scripture..
damn why does an atheist use the bible? That very illogical ya know
Comment by Flaco — July 5, 2007 @ 3:16 pm
Not when it’s using your own words to point out your hypocrisy… Then it’s just a great debating technique…
Must I explain ALL the punchlines to you always? Sheesh…
July 5th, 2007 at 3:31 pmThe trolls are certainly out in force because Gore singlehandedly shot down their “Clinton did it too†arguement.
Comment by LibStl — July 5, 2007 @ 2:04 pm
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But let’s go back and review some of Mr. Clinton’s pardons. The one everyone remembers is that of Marc Rich, the fugitive tax evader who renounced his citizenship and whose wife was a big Clinton donor. (Coincidentally, Rich was a client of Scooter Libby, then a lawyer in private practice.) But from CNN, here’s a contemporaneous list of other 11th-hour pardons:
Roger Clinton, who was convicted of drug-related charges in the 1980s. He was sentenced to two years in prison after pleading guilty in 1985 to conspiring to distribute cocaine. He cooperated with authorities and testified against other drug defendants.
Susan McDougal, a former real estate business partner of the Clintons. She was sentenced in 1996 and released from prison in 1998. She was convicted of four felonies related to a fraudulent $300,000 federally backed loan that she and her husband, James McDougal, never repaid. One tenth of the loan amount was placed briefly in the name of Whitewater Development, the Arkansas real estate venture of the Clintons and the McDougals. . . .
Henry Cisneros, who served as secretary of Housing and Urban Development during Clinton’s first term in office. He was convicted of making false statements to FBI agents conducting a background investigation of him when he was nominated to the Cabinet post in 1993. They included misleading investigators about cash payments he made to a former mistress.
Former CIA Director John Deutch. The one-time spy chief and top Pentagon official was facing criminal charges in connection with his mishandling of national secrets on a home computer.
Among the beneficiaries of Mr. Clinton’s pardons, then, were his own brother, a central figure in the Whitewater scandal, and two members of his own cabinet, one of whom, unlike Libby, actually faced charges of mishandling national secrets. Yet Mrs. Clinton can keep a straight face while throwing around charges of “cronyism”? This borders on sociopathy.
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July 5th, 2007 at 3:35 pmSinglehandedly. Shot. Down
the predigested pap of evangelism.
Comment by barfly — July 5, 2007 @ 3:22 pm
That’s way clever! You should use it often. It’s brilliant, and the trolls probably won’t understand it either. It’s why they call seaweed ‘carageenan’ on food labels :D
July 5th, 2007 at 3:35 pm“Sure… I learned that one the hard way… :(”
Comment by unbelievable
It seems I’ve always had a pickup truck, and two loads of stuff.
July 5th, 2007 at 3:36 pmI even gave it all away,
and bought a canoe…
and still had two canoe loads of stuff……..;)
I feel sorry for Al Gore III…Having to live with that name is enough to drive one to self-medication.
I mean, just think how tough it is being the son – and namesake – of the GREAT AL GORE; a living God and savior of the planet Earth.
Poor guy.
July 5th, 2007 at 3:36 pmNot when it’s using your own words to point out your hypocrisy… Then it’s just a great debating technique…
Must I explain ALL the punchlines to you always? Sheesh…
Comment by unbelievable — July 5, 2007 @ 3:31 pm
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my own words? the bible? my words?? illogical thinking this one for sure
Un, I never have a bad point. But thanks for the ego boost.
Comment by Wilco — July 5, 2007 @ 3:31 pm
Of course :D
July 5th, 2007 at 3:37 pmAl Gore III raised by nannies maybe? Who knows?
July 5th, 2007 at 3:38 pmmy own words? the bible? my words?? illogical thinking this one for sure
Comment by Flaco — July 5, 2007 @ 3:36 pm
It’s the words of your ideology. In essence, they are the words that you choose, in blind faith, to represent you.
Of course I know you’re no where near bright enough to actually write anything the length of a biblical passage, but as a Christian, the words of the bible are essentially yours.
You’re making me miss my students. They get stuff…
July 5th, 2007 at 3:39 pmMassive GOPer troll activity on TP lately, so Karl Rove has beefed up the funding for attacks on liberal blogs again.
Comment by Jay Randal
Seems Libby paid the fine out of his own pocket, maybe Karl has appropriated the Defense Fund, now that Scooter skates.
July 5th, 2007 at 3:41 pmPresidents have the power to grant clemency and pardons. But in this case, Mr. Bush did not sound like a leader making tough decisions about justice. He sounded like a man worried about what a former loyalist might say when actually staring into a prison cell.
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http://www.atlanticfreepress.com/content/view/1838/81/
One oft-repeated comment, voiced with confidence last week by MSNBC’s David Schuster, among others, is that maybe now, facing imminent prison time, Libby will finally decide to save himself by testifying against Vice President Cheney. I am going to go out on a limb and predict that the likelihood of a cooperation-and-plea deal between Scooter Libby and Special Counsel Patrick Fitzgerald is about the same as the likelihood that Louie – my new puppy – will learn how to load the dishwasher. Much as I would be delighted if either of these events occurred, I’m not optimistic.
Equally unlikely is the idea that Fitzgerald would want Scooter Libby to cooperate. Not only is Scooter Libby a convicted felon – a fact that juries are entitled to take into account when assessing a witness’s testimony – he is a felon who was convicted of perjury and making false statements. For a prosecutor, trying to make a case based on the testimony of a convicted perjuror is akin to a would-be suitor showing up on a first date wearing a wedding ring: it creates serious credibility hurdles. As if that weren’t enough of a problem, Libby would be testifying as a cooperating witness regarding the very matters about which a jury has already found that he lied. As to those, Libby has made extensive prior statements chock-full of inconsistencies, fodder for days of devastating cross-examination. And then, to top it all off, there would be the pesky fact that Libby’s entire defense at trial was based on an attempt to prove that the man has a terrible memory. A convicted perjuror with a memory problem may be a great premise for a bad joke, but it is a terrible premise for a criminal case against the vice president of the United States.
July 5th, 2007 at 3:41 pmand bought a canoe…
and still had two canoe loads of stuff……..;)
Comment by Raven — July 5, 2007 @ 3:36 pm
LOL… I suppose it’s hard to get rid of everything. There are certain things you do need…
July 5th, 2007 at 3:41 pmmy own words? the bible? my words?? illogical thinking this one for sure Comment by Flaco — July 5, 2007 @ 3:36 pm
Care to put that in english – wingnut?
July 5th, 2007 at 3:42 pmThe Bush administration – “I am not a Crook” – Updated for the twenty first century’s NeoCon needs…
July 5th, 2007 at 3:43 pmSinglehandedly. Shot. Down
Comment by Campesino
Hardly. You didn’t post one pardon which could have been construed as covering for Clinton administration illegality. Whitewater was a wash, Cisneros was paying for a mistress, and Marc Rich was represented by Libby.
Is that all you’ve got?
Pathetic.
July 5th, 2007 at 3:45 pmmy own words? the bible? my words?? illogical thinking this one for sure
Comment by Flaco — July 5, 2007 @ 3:36 pm
It’s the words of your ideology. In essence, they are the words that you choose, in blind faith, to represent you.
Of course I know you’re no where near bright enough to actually write anything the length of a biblical passage, but as a Christian, the words of the bible are essentially yours.
You’re making me miss my students. They get stuff…
Comment by unbelievable
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So you are saying in essense you have never “cast a stone” ever?
quiet please I wait for this one answer
July 5th, 2007 at 3:47 pmThanks, Unbelieveable.
July 5th, 2007 at 3:47 pmCampesino good, very good! Chuck Norris good!
July 5th, 2007 at 3:48 pmBeing a democrat does not make that right.
Sorry, Marc Rich was a Rapeublican, with LAWYER Scooter Libby.
Master Satan says he LOVES the way you LIE (like Tony Snow), and will be EXPECTING you when your time comes.
And my TREASONOUS Veep, Bush 41, pardoned an INTERNATIONAL TERRORIST, AND the Iran/Contra CRIMINALS, saving HIS azz and MINE…
Satan Bless the Bushes, Cheneys and ALL their EVIL SUPPORTERS,
Treasonously yours from the very depths of hell,
Traitor Ronnie and my Master Satan
July 5th, 2007 at 3:49 pm“So you are saying in essense you have never “cast a stone†ever?”
Or, in non-bible-speak, “it’s not nice to point out religious hypocrisy.”
How droll.
July 5th, 2007 at 3:50 pm“Campesino good, very good! Chuck Norris good!”
Comment by Flaco
Actually, he’s just been schooled by me. That must make me Bruce Lee good!
July 5th, 2007 at 3:51 pmRon, you’re such a clever guy.
July 5th, 2007 at 3:54 pmPardon me. Just because you contribute to a democratic president doesn’t make it right. Is that better? I was not aware of his political affiliation, just assumed.
I’m sorry you think fugitives deserve to be pardoned for crimes they refuse to acknowledge. That is a sad statement about your character.
Just stick to the topic as hand which is NOT AL GORE’S SON. At least he, unlike W, will not sidestep justice so his child will not be prosecuted for his offense, as W’s daughters WERE NOT when they were all over the country drinking adn drugging BEFORE they turned the LEGAL DRINKING AGE. I’m sure there’s a board somewhere you can dump that judgmental nonsense into…but If you REALLY want to talk about substance abuse, W is no stranger to COCAINE and ALCOHOL abuse- did rehab “a few times”. If you care to jump on that horse please ride it straight to#@!!.
Now-
This post is about yet another sidestepping of justice he has committed. Gore is correct and this has no comparison to Clinton’s pardons. I can’t wait until KARMA serves up a dose of justice to these clowns. We’re taking from your own by supporting the antics of these people. Open your eyes! This doesn’t fare well for anyone and now that the onus is on “the administration” to answer for the crimes, we know that won’t happen and it opens the doors for white-collar criminals to just keep going with it. America is so full of intimidation and fear, we can’t even bring ourselves to oust this band of fools (as is our Constitutional right) and take our government and our country back. This is America and I am an American. The majority of us do not agree with what’s going on and yet we find neither voice nor courage to act and make them do what’s right for us. We have even become slaves to other countries and their resources, (as we import almost everything we live on because OUR farmers were put out of business) and we have the nerve to try and dictate to them on how they should be living and governing.
What will happen when we wake up and have nothing (although the members of the-1%ers -upper echelon will have all they need and won’t share…bet me) and no means of support from our powers-that-be? I just hope they remember sidestepping the laws; there are a rack of political prisoners and purported terrorists that are going to trial…now they have their defense…they were doing what they were told.
July 5th, 2007 at 3:56 pmHardly. You didn’t post one pardon which could have been construed as covering for Clinton administration illegality. Whitewater was a wash,
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We’ll never know about Whitewater because Susan MacDougal “threw sand in the umpire’s eyes”
July 5th, 2007 at 3:57 pmCampesino, I’m glad you agree with Fitzgerald’s assessment of Libby!
July 5th, 2007 at 3:59 pmWeeellll, what do you EXPECT??
I was a TRAITOR to the USA, and now BURNING IN HELL FOR ETERNITY.
And did YOU like Bush 41 pardoning Orlando Bosch, a TERRORIST living in Miami, TURNED DOWN FOR ASYLUM by Bush 41’s State Department?
And how about his PARDONING THE IRAN/CONTRA CRIMINALS??
And then calling them “patriots”??
And NOW they work in idiotjunior’s administration??
Seems like the Libby pardon was about covering up TREASON by Bush 43 and Cheney, such PURE EVIL ONES…
Just like Daddy Bush, the MOST EVIL.
Satan Bless the Bushes, Cheneys, and ALL their EVIL SUPPORTERS who will be joining us!!!
Treasonously yours from the very depths of hell,
Traitor Ronnie and my Master Satan
July 5th, 2007 at 3:59 pm“…know where I can find some PCP?
Comment by Mr. President — July 5, 2007 @ 1:44 pm” ~
Well you may want to move body & soul over to another blog and ASK RUSH LIMBAUGH.
July 5th, 2007 at 4:02 pmWe’ll never know about Whitewater because Susan MacDougal “threw sand in the umpire’s eyesâ€
Comment by Campesino
And you’re here defending Libby for doing the same thing?
Whitewater was a case that happened before Clinton even took office – it has no relevance to Bush’s covering his own political ass regarding the outing of a covert spy, and thereby compromising national security. I repeat: is this the best you can do?
July 5th, 2007 at 4:04 pmHardly. You didn’t post one pardon which could have been construed as covering for Clinton administration illegality. Whitewater was a wash,
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We’ll never know about Whitewater because Susan MacDougal “threw sand in the umpire’s eyesâ€
Comment by Campesino — July 5, 2007 @ 3:57 pm
Campesino, I’m glad you agree with Fitzgerald’s assessment of Libby!
Comment by Wilco — July 5, 2007 @ 3:59 pm
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She was convicted on May 28, 1996, and spent time in prison for four counts of fraud and conspiracy relating to the Whitewater scandal. She was later charged with (and acquitted of) embezzlement against noted conductor Zubin Mehta.[1]
She also spent 18 months in prison including 7 weeks in solitary confinement for civil contempt of court. U.S. District Court Judge Susan Webber Wright sentenced her after McDougal refused to answer three questions from Whitewater prosecutors before the grand jury empaneled by Independent Counsel Kenneth Starr to investigate the Whitewater deals. These questions included whether President Bill Clinton lied in his testimony during her Whitewater trial, particularly when he denied any knowledge of an illegal $300,000 loan. During that trial, the government’s star witness, Arkansas banker and former municipal judge David Hale, claimed that then-Governor Bill Clinton had discussed an illegal $300,000 loan with himself and McDougal.
McDougal received a full Presidential pardon from outgoing President Bill Clinton in the final hours of his presidency in 2001.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susan_McDougal
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*You didn’t post one pardon which could have been construed as covering for Clinton administration illegality*
Want to think about that now? No quid pro quo? Nothing to see here, move along
July 5th, 2007 at 4:06 pmmy own words? the bible? my words?? illogical thinking this one for sure
Comment by Flaco — July 5, 2007 @ 3:36 pm
It’s the words of your ideology. In essence, they are the words that you choose, in blind faith, to represent you.
Of course I know you’re no where near bright enough to actually write anything the length of a biblical passage, but as a Christian, the words of the bible are essentially yours.
You’re making me miss my students. They get stuff…indoctrination by me
Comment by unbelievable
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So you are saying in essense you have never “cast a stone†ever?
quiet please I wait for this one answer
Comment by Flaco
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It’s is not nice to point out atheist hypocricy
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Still waiting unbelievable
July 5th, 2007 at 4:06 pmWhitewater was a case that happened before Clinton even took office – it has no relevance to Bush’s covering his own political ass regarding the outing of a covert spy, and thereby compromising national security. I repeat: is this the best you can do?
Comment by barfly — July 5, 2007 @ 4:04 pm
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Doesn’t matter if Whitewater was before or after Clinton took office – it’s totally relevant to Clinton’s covering his own political ass by rewarding McDougal for clamming up.
You’re sqealing that it isn’t relevant doesn’t make it so.
July 5th, 2007 at 4:10 pm“Arkansas banker and former municipal judge David Hale, claimed that then-Governor Bill Clinton had discussed an illegal $300,000 loan with himself and McDougal.”
Also a member of the Arkansas Project. His testimony was highly suspect.
“Want to think about that now”
No. David Hale doesn’t prove anything, other than you’re getting desperate. Try again.
July 5th, 2007 at 4:12 pmCAN SOMEBODY PLEASE TELL “MR. PRESIDENT” WHERE HE CAN FIND SOME DRUGS (although I’m sure he’s already on them) SO HE CAN (overdose) AND SHUT THE PHUCK UP?
July 5th, 2007 at 4:13 pmWe got it, okay? I swear EVERYONE HERE knows Al Gore’s son was arrested, but this is not the post for Al Gore’s son.
He’s been out for hours yet you’re still going on and on about it…..
“You’re sqealing that it isn’t relevant doesn’t make it so.”
Comment by Campesinol
Actually it isn’t relevant to actions taken as president, and McDougall has said that the Clintons weren’t guilty. She actually spent time in jail, and refused to lie for her release. So, to review: unfounded accusations, rebutted by testimony of those involved (Susan M.), and you’re still not posting anything relevant.
July 5th, 2007 at 4:18 pmCampesino — in summer 1992, the Bush 41-appointed US Attorney for Eastern Arkansas refused to file charges in the Whitewater deal, even though he was urged to do so by the Bush campaign. Why did he refuse? Because he recognized that there was no solid case for prosecution there, and he recognized the political nature of the request.
The fact that Republics kept Whitewater on life support for seven more years shows how desperate they were then and how dismissive of the business of government.
July 5th, 2007 at 4:20 pmShe was pardoned after paying her fine and serving her sentence. And you’re comparing her to Libby?
July 5th, 2007 at 4:22 pmClinton was covering his behind by pardoning her AFTER she served her sentence and paid her fine?
July 5th, 2007 at 4:24 pmThat’s pretty bad logic.
She actually spent time in jail, and refused to lie for her release. So, to review: unfounded accusations, rebutted by testimony of those involved (Susan M.), and you’re still not posting anything relevant.
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She didn’t have to lie – all she had to do was testify under oath. She refused to testify and therefore never rebutted anything. She was glad to say Clinton was innocent when she wasn’t under oath and got a pardon. Why was she afraid to say Clinton was innocent while under oath – maybe because it would have been perjury?
You have strange ideas of relevance
July 5th, 2007 at 4:24 pmCampesino TPers are squirmy little suckers here as anyone can see.
July 5th, 2007 at 4:26 pmThey’ve always had two standards for them and others. It is all too obvious.
“Mr.President” will try to distract..The real President is still a war criminal.
July 5th, 2007 at 4:27 pmCan’t change that Douchebag!
Unlike you, Flaco.
July 5th, 2007 at 4:28 pmYou thought it horrendous that Congress went after Clinton, right?
Right?
The freepers know they’re going down…and they are SCARED.
July 5th, 2007 at 4:32 pm“She didn’t have to lie – all she had to do was testify under oath.”
Starr was on a prosecutorial fishing expedition, but she didn’t take the bait. You act as if there were no right wing conspiracy – even after members of the conspiracy have admitted their involvement. It doesn’t make your postings any more relevant to ignore uncomfortable facts, such as she served her sentence before the pardon – removing the quid pro quo from the equation.
July 5th, 2007 at 4:34 pmClinton f’ed up his own legacy.
July 5th, 2007 at 4:34 pmHe was smooth though, still is.
Campesino — in summer 1992, the Bush 41-appointed US Attorney for Eastern Arkansas refused to file charges in the Whitewater deal, even though he was urged to do so by the Bush campaign. Why did he refuse? Because he recognized that there was no solid case for prosecution there, and he recognized the political nature of the request.
The fact that Republics kept Whitewater on life support for seven more years shows how desperate they were then and how dismissive of the business of government.
Comment by spit take — July 5, 2007 @ 4:20 pm
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During 1992 Bill Clinton’s first bid for the presidency, reporters from the New York Times asked him about the failure of the Whitewater development, which Bill Clinton and Jim McDougal originally purchased in 1978.[4] After they published an article in March that was critical of the real estate dealings, Vince Foster, White House deputy counsel, who had been a former law partner of Hillary Clinton at the Rose Law Firm in Arkansas, completed and submitted several years’ worth of delinquent Clinton tax returns for the project.
Because of the allegations made in the New York Times article, the Justice Department opened an investigation into the failed Whitewater deal. At Clinton’s request, Attorney General Janet Reno appointed a special prosecutor Robert B. Fiske in 1994 to investigate the legality of the Whitewater transactions. Two allegations surfaced: 1) that Clinton had exerted pressure on an Arkansas businessman to make a loan that would benefit him and the owners of Madison Guaranty; and 2) that an Arkansas bank had concealed transactions involving Clinton’s gubernatorial campaign in 1990.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whitewater_scandal
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Those evil Republicans at the NY Times and the Clinton Justice Department strike again! Bush 41s Justice Department wouldn’t touch it but Janet Reno jumps on board.
July 5th, 2007 at 4:34 pmThose evil Republicans at the NY Times … funny :D
July 5th, 2007 at 4:35 pmHello, Ronald Reagan, STILL DEAD and from hell again…
My Master Satan me to remind you that Scooter Libby was not only Dick Cheney’s Chief of Staff,
but ALSO Assistant to the President for National Security.
So, Libby is covering up for people who SABOTAGED National Security.
So, the Assistant to the President, an OFFICER OF THE COURT, has committed TREASON as well as Perjury and OBSTRUCTION.
And Bush 43 is ONE of the ONES that he is covering for.
If MY Veep hadn’t pardoned MY Iran/Contra CRIMINALS, be HE and I would be in jail today.
Except I’d STILL BE DEAD…
Master Satan LOVES the PURE EVIL of the Bushes and Cheneys, not to mention their azzlicker supporters.
Satan Bless the Bushes, Cheneys and their PURE EVIL supporters!!
Treasonously yours from the pits of hell,
Traitor Ronnie and my Master Satan
July 5th, 2007 at 4:36 pmTwo allegations surfaced:
From members of the Arkansas Project.
Geeze, quit reading Wiki, and pick up a history book, for God’s sake…
July 5th, 2007 at 4:38 pmRight wingers love to have their phones tapped without a warrant, why because they are republicans First and citizens that protect the constitution second. Right wingers love to have the VP hold secret energy meetings, that involved stealing Iraq’s Oil, WHY? Because they are republicans first and protectors of the people responsible for the oil cartel’s Iraq war. Right wingers love to have protect criminals who out CIA agents first, because they are republicans first, and Patriots second, if at all. Right wingers love to protect to SCOOTER LIBBY, even THOUGH he LIED, (obviously to protect cheney), was CONVICTED of perjury and obstruction of justice. Why Because they are hypocrites and republicans first.
July 5th, 2007 at 4:40 pmFinally Republicans love to protect bush, who started an illegal war based on LIES, WHY? Because they are republicans first and PATRIOTS , maybe third or fourth, or probably not at all.
It doesn’t make your postings any more relevant to ignore uncomfortable facts, such as she served her sentence before the pardon – removing the quid pro quo from the equation.
Comment by barfly — July 5, 2007 @ 4:34 pm
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It’s an uncomfortable fact that she spent 18 months in jail for NOT TALKING, what Clinton wanted, and the pardon was a quid pro quo.
Libby is still guilty, still pays a fine, still will lose his law career. By your logic he didn’t get a quid pro quo either.
Listen to yourself
July 5th, 2007 at 4:40 pmTwo allegations surfaced:
From members of the Arkansas Project.
Geeze, quit reading Wiki, and pick up a history book, for God’s sake…
Comment by barfly — July 5, 2007 @ 4:38 pm
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So why didn’t Reno slap them down? Wiki was just a convenient summary – don’t need a history book – I lived through it for God’s sake
July 5th, 2007 at 4:43 pmYou act as if there were no right wing conspiracy
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AH yes, the VRWC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
July 5th, 2007 at 4:45 pmHow can anyone take Al Gore seriously at this point?
He takes contributions from tobacco companies, then goes after them.
He speaks out against Iraq’s WMD program, then denounces those who do the same a few years down the road.
He makes a movie on supposed “global warming.” Then lives a lifestyle that is completely the polar opposite of how a “true believer” would.
Says there is no way he’ll run for President in 2008… (Do you believe that? I assume it means that he is running.)
Say one thing, do the other. Flip flop Al.
July 5th, 2007 at 4:45 pmBecause of the allegations made in the New York Times article, the Justice Department opened an investigation into the failed Whitewater deal. At Clinton’s request, Attorney General Janet Reno appointed a special prosecutor Robert B. Fiske in 1994 to investigate the legality of the Whitewater transactions.
Had Bush called for an independent counsel to investigate Libby? Fitz limited the scope of his investigation into Plamegate, while Starr expanded his to encompass twenty-year-old land deals, cabinet members’ mistresses, and sexual harrassment claims.
You’re not really making a very strong case that the two are analgous.
July 5th, 2007 at 4:47 pmOoh, there some dogmuck at post #265 – watch your step everyone!
July 5th, 2007 at 4:50 pmHello, I’m Ronald Reagan. DEAD and BURNING IN HELL.
And now YOU CAN, TOO!
Master Satan wants me to remind you all that Bush 41, my TRAITOROUS Veep,
pardoned Orlando Bosch, an INTERNATIONAL TERRORIST, still in Miami.
And also the Iran/Contra CRIMINALS, in order to save HIS azz and MINE from the SLAMMER.
Satan Bless the Bushes, Cheneys, and their TREASONOUS supporters.
He LOVES you SO MUCH for the EVIL you have done…
Treasonously yours,
Traitor Ronnie and my Master Satan
July 5th, 2007 at 4:51 pm“and the pardon was a quid pro quo.”
For what? She’d paid her fine, served her time, and the other case against her was a wash.
Exactly what did she stand to gain?
July 5th, 2007 at 4:54 pm“Attorney General Janet Reno appointed a special prosecutor Robert B. Fiske in 1994 to investigate the legality of the Whitewater transactions.”
And what did Fiske conclude?
July 5th, 2007 at 4:55 pm“and the pardon was a quid pro quo.â€
For what? She’d paid her fine, served her time, and the other case against her was a wash.
Exactly what did she stand to gain?
Comment by barfly — July 5, 2007 @ 4:54 pm
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So Libby’s paid his fine and served his time. He didn’t even get a pardon
Exactly what does he stand to gain?
July 5th, 2007 at 5:00 pmSo Libby’s paid his fine and served his time. He didn’t even get a pardon
Exactly what does he stand to gain?
Weeellll, actually, he did NO TIME.
And WHAT does he stand to GAIN???
I don’t know, but I know that he is protecting the EVIL ONES, Bush and Cheney. Master Satan LOVES their acts of PURE EVIL and GENOCIDE!!!
That’s why Master has a VERY SPECIAL PLACE IN HELL for EVERY member of the Bush and Cheney families and their EVIL supporters!!
Satan Bless the Bushes, Cheneys, and their EVIL supporters!!
Treasonously yours from the pits of hell,
Traitor Ronnie and my Master Satan
July 5th, 2007 at 5:07 pm“Last weeks” ?? It was earlier this week.
July 5th, 2007 at 5:14 pm“So Libby’s paid his fine and served his time. He didn’t even get a pardon
Exactly what does he stand to gain?”
Comment by Campesino
Do you even read what you type before posting? What time has Libby served? I’m just going to leave you to your Wiki links now, confident in the knowledge that your bombastic triumphalism was most ably deflated by reason, and by factual rebuttal.
July 5th, 2007 at 5:15 pmDo you even read what you type before posting? What time has Libby served? I’m just going to leave you to your Wiki links now, confident in the knowledge that your bombastic triumphalism was most ably deflated by reason, and by factual rebuttal.
Comment by barfly — July 5, 2007 @ 5:15 pm
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Is there supposed to be a logical answer in there somewhere?
July 5th, 2007 at 5:29 pmComment by muckdog — July 5, 2007 @ 4:45 pm
How can anyone take Al Gore seriously at this point?
He takes contributions from tobacco companies, then goes after them.
Umm… Isn’t that evidence that he’s NOT in their pocket? Isn’t that a GOOD thing for a politician?
He speaks out against Iraq’s WMD program, then denounces those who do the same a few years down the road.
“A few years down the road”, when evidence shows that the people he denounces “cooked the books” to bolster the non-existent case for non-existent WMD? Yeah, that’s real bad. Much better he should continue to repeat discredited talking points.
He makes a movie on supposed “global warming.†Then lives a lifestyle that is completely the polar opposite of how a “true believer†would.
It’s a shame that Al Gore’s “lifestyle” doesn’t match the ideal that you believe a “true believer” should aspire to. My guess is that it involves living in a mud hut and writing on birch bark, right?
Says there is no way he’ll run for President in 2008… (Do you believe that? I assume it means that he is running.)
And NOW you’re criticizing him for YOUR OWN assumption about his plans. Nicely done.
Say one thing, do the other. Flip flop Al.
Jeebus, what a mass of troll droppings. Not a lick of sense in the whole pile.
July 5th, 2007 at 6:49 pmSo Libby’s paid his fine and served his time. He didn’t even get a pardon
Exactly what does he stand to gain?
Comment by Campesino — July 5, 2007 @ 5:00 pm
Served his time? When did Libby serve ANY time? I must have missed that. Was it around the same time that paris Hilton served her time?
July 5th, 2007 at 6:51 pmVice President Gore is right Libby did have knowledge that could have posed a problem for this White House. There is a direct conflict of interest here for the president and the vice president. Bush commuted the sentence of someone who could have shed more light on the outing of covert CIA agent Valerie Plame. What President Clinton did was completely different. He never pardoned or commuted the sentence of anyone who was a former White House official. Because the Justice department was not consulted there are some legal questions here that must be addressed when the House Judiciary Committee Chairman Conyers takes up this critical issue. The president may have committed a crime if he tried to protect his own interests in commuting Libby’s sentence.
July 5th, 2007 at 7:08 pm“A few years down the roadâ€, when evidence shows that the people he denounces “cooked the books†to bolster the non-existent case for non-existent WMD?
Comment by spit take
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Just like those non-existent Kurds that were supposedly gassed by some non-existent chemical.
July 5th, 2007 at 7:18 pmIf you’re a true believer of man’s contributions to “global warming,” do you turn the TV off this weekend in support of the concert?
Quite a conundrum to be you.
July 5th, 2007 at 8:51 pmIs this the same Al Gore that invented the Internet or the one whose Mom sang the Union Label lullabye to him 20 years before it was written? Old Al always knows the truth when he sees it.
July 5th, 2007 at 9:31 pmLibby is a convicted felon who deserves to go to jail for 30 months.
July 5th, 2007 at 9:42 pmRichard Armitage…
July 5th, 2007 at 9:47 pmCome in Dick Armitage…?
Is this the same Al Gore that invented the Internet or the one whose Mom sang the Union Label lullabye to him 20 years before it was written? Old Al always knows the truth when he sees it.
Comment by Bucket — July 5, 2007 @ 9:31 pm
**yawn** – try again when you can prove it.
July 5th, 2007 at 10:33 pmThere is no evidence for God or a historical Jesus either. They are just speculation.
July 5th, 2007 at 10:46 pmLibby wasn’t “charged with†having information about his superiors.
Comment by spit take — July 5, 2007 @ 1:40 pm
Gore didn’t say he was.
You’re reading it wrong.
Gore said activities that INVOLVE knowledge of what his superiors in the White House did.
And that is 100 percent correct.
July 5th, 2007 at 10:48 pmAnd while its clear that Bush and Cneney were in on the leak, even if they weren’t , which they are, but even if they weren’t, it would still not absolve Scooter Libby.
Whether a crime was committed or not, Libby was charged, and convicted by a federal grand jury of blocking the federal prosecutors ability to DETERMINE if a crime had been committed.
That is Libby’s crime.
And whether or not a crime was committed, (which it was), Libby was sentenced to jail for obstructing justice by lying to a federal grand jury, which regardless of the RNC worms in here, was proven by a United States Federal Prosecutor to a Federal Grand Jury, and thats all there is too it.
July 5th, 2007 at 10:56 pmIf you confess to a crime you did not commit, just because there was no crime committed, you still will go to jail for interfering with the investigation, or as its referred to, “obstructing justice”.
July 5th, 2007 at 10:59 pmThis is not a contraversial decision to commute just because Libby was proven guilty. Its contraversial because the topic in question involves the President and the Vice President, which at the very LEAST, gives the appearance of an attempt to sheild themselves from prosecution.
July 5th, 2007 at 11:04 pmThere is no way congress and a special prosecutor CANNOT investigate this.
Its just too blatant.
July 5th, 2007 at 11:10 pmFitz should have prosecuted Armitage for the leak. And Fitz should have gone after Rove and Cheney.
July 5th, 2007 at 11:57 pmGore need to worry more about his DRUG ADDICT SON
July 6th, 2007 at 12:48 amGore need(sic) to worry more about his DRUG ADDICT SON
Comment by FDR —
Just as Jeb Bush needs to worry about his drug-addicted children, and George Jr. about his twins who apparently inherited his alcohol problems, hypocrite.
July 6th, 2007 at 2:11 amLibby is a convicted felon who deserves to go to jail for 30 months.
Comment by Probus — July 5, 2007 @ 9:42 pm
If Libby deserves 30 months, then Burglar should get the chair.
July 6th, 2007 at 11:21 amthis is what cocaine does to you.
July 6th, 2007 at 11:53 am