Reagan’s NSA Chief: Withdraw funds, pull out, impeach.
Reagan’s NSA Chief: Withdraw funds, pull out, impeach.
Gen. William Odom, the former head of the National Security Agency under President Reagan, writes that Congress should begin cutting off funds for Iraq and must force Bush to begin a withdrawal before he leaves office:
To force him to begin a withdrawal before then, the first step should be to rally the public by providing an honest and candid definition of what “supporting the troops” really means and pointing out who is and who is not supporting our troops at war. The next step should be a flat refusal to appropriate money for to be used in Iraq for anything but withdrawal operations with a clear deadline for completion.
The final step should be to put that president on notice that if ignores this legislative action and tries to extort Congress into providing funds by keeping U.S. forces in peril, impeachment proceeding will proceed in the House of Representatives. Such presidential behavior surely would constitute the “high crime” of squandering the lives of soldiers and Marines for his own personal interest.
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Cue the trolls to smear their God Reagan’s NSA Chief in 3…2…1….
July 5th, 2007 at 8:20 pmOh look! It’s a PLAN!!
Somebody quick! Google it for the Deciderer.
July 5th, 2007 at 8:21 pmReagan’s NSA Chief: Withdraw funds, pull out, impeach.
July 5th, 2007 at 8:22 pm
Bashing the troops will commence in 3…2…1
July 5th, 2007 at 8:23 pmGod Lord… even avowed REAGNITES are talking impeachment…
Herr Brusch has got to be gettin’ beads of flopsweat on his brow by now.
July 5th, 2007 at 8:23 pmbut…but…
CLinton!!!
July 5th, 2007 at 8:25 pmZooey is right. Just wait for the smear campaign to begin.
July 5th, 2007 at 8:26 pmIsn’t this what people have been saying for a while now?
I think we should start drawing down troops as well. Bush’s numbers will shoot to 60%.
July 5th, 2007 at 8:27 pmWow, talk about rats deserting a sinking ship. This is becoming a rout.
It’s very sad that these people waited until this country is very close to being totally destroyed before they decided to speak up, but I guess it’s better late than never.
July 5th, 2007 at 8:27 pmYeah, let the Muslims “work things out” then we can go in to clean up the mess.
July 5th, 2007 at 8:28 pmCutting off funds will accomplish NOTHING.
This administration tasked Agent Dov Zakheim with stealing between $2.3 Billion and $7 Billion in the weeks preceding 9/11. Rumsfeld held a press conference announcing it the day prior to 9/11.
ALL of the money required to pull of this coup was stolen prior to 9/11.
Congress is completely irrelevant, and blackmailed, and they know it.
July 5th, 2007 at 8:29 pmall the good caring folks in the world won’t make a difference if the Dem leadership in the house and senate continue to refuse to step up and show the scum that their last 15 or so months in office will be made to resemble a torture chamber!
July 5th, 2007 at 8:29 pmUnless that change takes place, nothing will happen.
Make that TRILLION in the prior comment – not Billion.
July 5th, 2007 at 8:29 pmOh good Lord, ace.
July 5th, 2007 at 8:30 pmCaptain, sir?
There’s something you should know, sir.
It’s the ship, sir.
We’re sinking sir….
Yes, sir, understood sir.
I’ll have your launch lowered immediately.
I beg your pardon, sir… only you and Barney, sir?
What about the rest of us?
The women, the children, the elders, sir.
No sir, not 17 months sir, I’m guessing it’s maybe 6 before we go down…
Very well, sir.
Paraguay is that way sir, bearing 179 degrees, sir.
Farewell, sir.
………………………………………………………………
Gunners mate on deck, sir.
July 5th, 2007 at 8:31 pmAye aye sir, bearing 179 degrees, sir.
Reagan’s NSA Chief: Withdraw funds, pull out, impeach.
AMEN
Comment by Briseadh na Faire
IT’S WORKING!! :-)
July 5th, 2007 at 8:31 pmEveryone see Bush quiver when he was “explaining” his decision to extend immunity to Libby?
July 5th, 2007 at 8:31 pmYeah, let the Muslims “work things out†then we can go in to clean up the mess.
Comment by Mr. President
Stop pretending you care.
July 5th, 2007 at 8:32 pm“Contractors Outnumber U.S. Troops in Iraq-
July 5th, 2007 at 8:32 pmNew figures show U.S. troops are now outnumbered by another force in Iraq: private contractors. According to the Los Angeles Times, there are more than one-hundred-eighty thousand U.S.-paid private contractors in Iraq.”
P.A.R.T.S.
Pesky
July 5th, 2007 at 8:33 pmAspen
Root
Tree
Snitch=Libby and the gang
and you should know, mr. president, because the good lord speaks to you directly. the good lord told you to slaughter iraqis by the hundreds of thousands.
funny how when other people claim god tells them to kill, we lock them up. but in america, we re-elect.
July 5th, 2007 at 8:33 pmAnd what made him speak out now?
July 5th, 2007 at 8:34 pmFinally, an adult.
July 5th, 2007 at 8:34 pmStop pretending you care.
Comment by Zooey — July 5, 2007 @ 8:32 pm
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Let’s just say that I wouldn’t have just said “Muslims” before TP started to delete my posts.
July 5th, 2007 at 8:34 pmactually, willyloman, odom has spoken out before, in this august 2005 piece
July 5th, 2007 at 8:36 pmIsn’t Ronnie Raygun Bush’s ‘idol’?
Ouch
July 5th, 2007 at 8:36 pmthank you robot. I will check that out.
July 5th, 2007 at 8:36 pmAnd if Congress wont do it then what is left? How long will we wait as the winds of dictatorship continue to blow over us with its dead cold icy grip? How long before we become less rational ourselves, even though we pride ourselves in reasoned thought? At want point do an angry citizenry become an uncontrollable angry mob? At what point do we see the difference between ourselves and the “special people” who engineer for themselves untold riches and untouchable status under the law? At what point do a conservatives and a liberals red lines cross to become a deadly line for the arrogant few?
I wish everyone could get an indepth history lessson of the kind of man that was George Washington so they can intelligently compare his with the monkey boy. Conservative …. Liberal… everything else… we all can see the honor in our first president. You have to “believe” and have “faith” to NOT see a war criminal in this current president. A threat to our Constitution and a long term danger to our western style of civilization.
WHO? Who would send our fellow citizens who sign up to be soldiers to die for ANYTHING less than all out defense? The lowest among us that is who.
Is THIS Liberty? Is this what old men like Ben Franklin and young men like the soldiers under George Washington risked their necks for? Or is this simply out of control ego at its worse?
Taking offense at snide remarks by “trolls” is getting old… call us what you will… it is time to ignore these fools and do what needs to be done. Their WORD is WORTHLESS…. they have ZERO credibility… there is no need to even bother responding to them. Take action Congress! Or tell us you cannot and we MUST! So that we will know that is is OUR TIME to take action… just tell us it is in our hands now and that Congress can do no more under the Constitution… so that we can make our own choice between Liberty or Death!
July 5th, 2007 at 8:37 pmLet’s just say that I wouldn’t have just said “Muslims†before TP started to delete my posts.
Comment by Mr. President — July 5, 2007 @ 8:34 pm
Your posts are getting deleted?
THANK YOU TP!!!!
July 5th, 2007 at 8:37 pmLet’s just say that I wouldn’t have just said “Muslims†before TP started to delete my posts.
Comment by Mr. President
I never siad you were stupid, Mr President, it’s you who insists on acting that way.
Stop pretending you care about the Iraqis.
July 5th, 2007 at 8:38 pmReagan’s NSA Chief: Withdraw funds, pull out, impeach.
AMEN
Comment by Briseadh na Faire
IT’S WORKING!! :-)
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I don’t agree with withdraw funds, pull out, or impeach.
But we should start withdrawing our forces. The Iraqis need to step up. And we should start standing down.
And watch Bush’s approval soar!
July 5th, 2007 at 8:38 pmLet’s just say that I wouldn’t have just said “Muslims†before TP started to delete my posts.
Comment by Mr. President
TP deletes my posts when I say z–i==o~~n–i==s~~t .. censorship sucks aye?
July 5th, 2007 at 8:38 pmFact is, the only person who reads your posts, Mr. President, is the intern that has to delete them. And he’s not paid nearly enough for it.
July 5th, 2007 at 8:39 pmI don’t agree with withdraw funds, pull out, or impeach.
Comment by The Captain
Your King will never let it happen!! Dream on!
July 5th, 2007 at 8:40 pmAnd watch Bush’s approval soar!
Comment by The Captain — July 5, 2007 @ 8:38 pm
Not a chance. In the last two years, the highest it was was a 46. And a lot of people still supported the occupation back then.
July 5th, 2007 at 8:40 pmMr. President,
Bush does not have a monopoly on fighting terrorists. Shit, all you have to do is watch the 8th Zawahiri video to come to that conclusion.
All Americans hate terrorists, and hell many just flat out don’t give a crap about Muslims in general. I’m one of them. This is why you and yours are coming to an end. You stupidly put all your eggs in one basket, said your way was the only way, and failed.
You got alot of nerve showing your face in here with Zawahiri on the loose. Truly shocking.
July 5th, 2007 at 8:41 pmTP deletes my posts when I say z–i==o~~n–i==s~~t .. censorship sucks aye?
Comment by Gerald Gibson — July 5, 2007 @ 8:38 pm
Your posts shouldn’t get deleted for that.
You have intelligent things to say, he doesn’t… EVER.
July 5th, 2007 at 8:42 pmComment by willyloman — July 5, 2007 @ 8:39 pm
So you are he, and you have already responded to me under several different names thus far?
July 5th, 2007 at 8:42 pmcaptain, you think we hate bush just to hate bush. the truth is that if he ended this war, restored habeus corpus, ended the warrantless wiretapping, torture and black prisons, as a start, i’d have no problem with his ratings going up.
it would be deserved.
if he got rid of cheney and started being his own man, i think he could get back to 50% by the end of his term. he’d still have a ways to go, but at least he’d be headed in the right direction.
July 5th, 2007 at 8:42 pmYou got alot of nerve showing your face in here with Zawahiri on the loose. Truly shocking.
Comment by LandSurveyor — July 5, 2007 @ 8:41 pm
What are you babbling about?
July 5th, 2007 at 8:43 pmOdom is not just some retired military guy who served under Zombie Reagan, he is a Senior Fellow at the Right-Wing think-tank the Hudson Institute. When he is calling for de-funding and impeachment, the wheels have not just come off the wagon, but fell off, caught fire, exploded, then rolled off a cliff.
July 5th, 2007 at 8:43 pmBush doesn’t care about his aproval rating and the Republican party is distancing themselves from his administration.
He won’t start removing troops because it is a troop build-up on the border of Iran.
And Cheney has plans for Iran. So does the new Office of Special Plans, Iran.
So does the Committe on Present Danger.
July 5th, 2007 at 8:44 pm“Not a chance. In the last two years, the highest it was was a 46.”
If the American people want us to start bringing our troops home, Bush should do it. Give the people what they want. We don’t need 150k troops there. We only need about 20k to go after al qaeda in Iraq. And watch Bush’s numbers go over 55%, at least.
July 5th, 2007 at 8:44 pmYeah..Gen. Odom has been a thoughtfull and persuasive critic of Bush’s Iraq policy for some time now.
July 5th, 2007 at 8:44 pmWhy Now??? The Iraqi Govt. is going on vacation with no oil deal in sight. The republican senators up for election are opposing Bush on Iraq. Hadley is blaming the military for the failures in Iraq. The surge has failed to bring a reduction in violence. 100 brave Americans are dying every week. Bush and the Republicans have failed in Iraq. Odom is just correctly pointing out that the emporer has no clothes.
Educate yourself! It too me two seconds to google this:
http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/terrorists/teralzawahiri.htm
MURDER OF U.S. NATIONALS OUTSIDE THE UNITED STATES; CONSPIRACY TO MURDER U.S. NATIONALS OUTSIDE THE UNITED STATES; ATTACK ON A FEDERAL FACILITY RESULTING IN DEATH
AYMAN AL-ZAWAHIRI
July 5th, 2007 at 8:45 pmOdom has spoken out before against this war, but this is even stronger. He actually speaks of high crimes and the president in the same paragraph. Former officials in the Bush adm. and Reagan adm. have tried to persuade Bush the Dumb that he should rethink his strategery, but to no avail. Generals spoke of the military folly of this war from the start, and their numbers are growing, again, to no avail. Appointees are leaving every week. Rep. Senators and Representatives are beginning to step away from him.
Yet, Bush the Dumb continues on his way oblivious to the criticism and advice, believing in his messianic mission.
Either he is back on the booze, or the coke, or his history of addiction has taken its toll on his already limited brain.
But it is growing ever more to clear to his supporters that something drastic must be done – even they are beginning to see the long-term, possibly irreversible damage he has wrought.
It isn’t like we haven’t been screaming about it from the sidelines for years.
July 5th, 2007 at 8:46 pmwell, captain, it really doesn’t work that way. in fact the only president going back to truman that has ended up with approval ratings higher than when he began his term was…bill clinton.
just withdrawing the forces from iraq would be a start, but he’d still have a long way to go to regain the trust of the american people.
July 5th, 2007 at 8:46 pmcaptain, you think we hate bush just to hate bush. the truth is that if he ended this war, restored habeus corpus, ended the warrantless wiretapping, torture and black prisons, as a start, i’d have no problem with his ratings going up.
it would be deserved.
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I don’t think you hate Bush. You just want your side to win politicaly.
But I agree with you in the sense that Bush needs to start trying to get his approval rating back up. He should start pushing for more conservative issues. Really lay them out there. We’ll back him up. And yes, he should start bringing some of our troops home from Iraq. Give them a rest already. We only need about 20,000 troops in Iraq to go after the al qaeda that has gone in there, in my opinion.
July 5th, 2007 at 8:47 pm“We don’t need 150k troops there. We only need about 20k to go after al qaeda in Iraq.”
WRONG: they need at least 150k to hold on to the oilfields and protect the oil infrastructure until it is pumped dry
July 5th, 2007 at 8:47 pmAnd watch Bush’s numbers go over 55%, at least.
Comment by The Captain — July 5, 2007 @ 8:44 pm
He’s done a lot of damage. His disapproval numbers might go down if he did this (which he won’t), but I don’t think he’ll see 50% approval rating ever again…
My high school students like Bushisms… Even they think he’s an idiot.
July 5th, 2007 at 8:48 pmWe only need about 20k to go after al qaeda in Iraq. And watch Bush’s numbers go over 55%, at least.
Comment by The Captain
Exactly. So why do you think we have so many troops there? You think they don’t know that they don’t need that many troops for Bin Laden?
July 5th, 2007 at 8:48 pmAnd watch Bush’s numbers go over 55%, at least.
Comment by The Captain
You’ve dropped 5% since the beginning of the thread,
July 5th, 2007 at 8:49 pmstick around for awhile,
and you’ll come down to the realistic percentage he’ll have
for the rest of his term.
Around 30%
we really don’t need any troops there. i’m sure the 180,000 or so private contractors, including the blackwater mercenaries, could go after al qaeda just fine.
July 5th, 2007 at 8:50 pmIt isn’t like we haven’t been screaming about it from the sidelines for years.
Comment by Marie — July 5, 2007 @ 8:46 pm
I wish I felt better about us having been right about this, but it’s just so much death and destruction, that it’s not possible to be human and feel anything but regret.
July 5th, 2007 at 8:51 pmthat way we wouldn’t have to even worry about troubling barbara bush’s beautiful mind.
July 5th, 2007 at 8:52 pmWe only need about 20,000 troops in Iraq to go after the al qaeda that has gone in there, in my opinion.
Comment by The Captain — July 5, 2007 @ 8:47 pm
What type of VAST experience are you basing your opinion on, Captain?
Star Trek?
July 5th, 2007 at 8:54 pmStar Wars?
Stargate?
Comment by unbelievable — July 5, 2007 @ 8:51 pm
Exactly.
That’s why we should pull out, let the Muslims “sort things out” themselves, then we go back in and clean up the mess.
July 5th, 2007 at 8:54 pmWhile being NSA chief under Raygun isn’t the best of credentials, this General is right on. If any repuklikin wants to get theirselves re-elected, they might want to listen up.
July 5th, 2007 at 8:56 pmIt isn’t like we haven’t been screaming about it from the sidelines for years.
Comment by Marie — July 5, 2007 @ 8:46 pm
I wish I felt better about us having been right about this, but it’s just so much death and destruction, that it’s not possible to be human and feel anything but regret.
Comment by unbelievable
Absolutely correct, Marie & unbe.
These wingnuts think we just want to be right, because that’s the way they feel. We just want the damn thing done because it’s f*cking wrong.
July 5th, 2007 at 8:56 pmWhat type of VAST experience are you basing your opinion on, Captain?
Star Search
July 5th, 2007 at 8:56 pmStar Trek?
Star Wars?
Stargate?
Comment by Zooey
Star Search?
July 5th, 2007 at 8:57 pmDancing with the Stars?
“So why do you think we have so many troops there? You think they don’t know that they don’t need that many troops for Bin Laden?”
They were trying a surge to pacify the country. In some areas it was sucessful and others it was not.
The Iraqis really need to start stepping up themselves. We should draw most of our forces down.
July 5th, 2007 at 8:57 pmMistress Z~
July 5th, 2007 at 8:57 pmThe cap’n doesn’t have any experience, nor qualifications, other than a keyboard, an active, perhaps overactive imagination and a basement window to gaze longingly out of.
Starsky and Hutch
July 5th, 2007 at 8:57 pmThat’s why we should pull out, let the Muslims “sort things out†themselves, then we go back in and clean up the mess.
Comment by Mr. President
Iraqis — they’re Iraqis. They are not ALL Muslims.
Your great idea is to pull all the troops out, let ‘em fix OUR mess, and then go back in again.
Yeah. That’s gonna work out real nice. Not.
July 5th, 2007 at 8:58 pmIf the Republicans want to save their party, they should start impeachment proceedings…
July 5th, 2007 at 8:59 pmRaven & willyloman — BRILLIANT!!
July 5th, 2007 at 8:59 pmThey were trying a surge to pacify the country. In some areas it was sucessful and others it was not.
Comment by The Captain — July 5, 2007 @ 8:57 pm
LIAR!!!
It was all about OIL!!!
FROM THE VERY BEGINNING!!!
The BushCrime Syndicate and the Saudis conspired and got us into this mess!!!!!!!!!!!
You RAPE-ublican!!!!
(just kidding)
July 5th, 2007 at 9:00 pmMistress Z~
The cap’n doesn’t have any experience, nor qualifications, other than a keyboard, an active, perhaps overactive imagination and a basement window to gaze longingly out of.
Comment by Cpt. Crepitus
That is apparent, Cpt Crepitus. Keyboard Kommando extraordinaire!
Can I pop one of your bubbles…..?
July 5th, 2007 at 9:01 pmto say “the iraqis need to start stepping up” is empty rhetoric. as soon as bremer disbanded the iraqi army, there was no stepping up that was going to happen. it was a recipe for sectarian civil war.
they’re never going to pass that oil revenue sharing legislation because none of the sides trusts the others.
July 5th, 2007 at 9:01 pmhttp://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSN0538154320070705
And yet more Marines are going to go to jail or be dishonored because they were put into this situation and were propagandized into believing it was OK to kill the Iraqis because……….. 911.
They wanted to be volunteer to be good American soldiers… and they were put into unjustifiable situations where they lost their minds… lost their social limits that they grew up learning here in America. The evil that is Cheney crept its way down the chain of command… will only these lowest on the totem pole soldiers pay for this? What of the people that sent them there? And lied to them? And pumped christian vs muslim… good vs evil…. BS into their heads?
They should be here in America guarding our borders and training for actual threats to our nation… instead they will be sitting in jail for the rest of their lives? While those at the top that were trusted with these mens lives go free?
Bush should stand trial in their place. Cheney and all those around him should as well. Those Marines would NEVER have gone to Iraq and done these things on their own.
July 5th, 2007 at 9:01 pmThey were trying a surge to pacify the country. In some areas it was successful and others it was not.
Comment by The Captain
We are AMERICANS not Iraqis… you think it is OK to “pacify” Iraqis in their own home land? They didn’t even attack us… who the hell do you think you are? Master of the Middle East? Is this how the early Americans talked or the Red Coats? Jolly oh! Send the Red Coats to pacify that scoundrel Washington and Franklin and all the rest of the vermin!… That is not who we are … that is who we fought NOT to be….
July 5th, 2007 at 9:05 pm“as soon as bremer disbanded the iraqi army, there was no stepping up that was going to happen. ”
That was a mistake Bremer made.
But the Iraqis need to take control of their own country. We should draw most of our forces down and let them do it.
July 5th, 2007 at 9:06 pmWe should draw most of our forces down and let them do it.
Comment by The Captain
… and then go in later and clean up the mess?
July 5th, 2007 at 9:08 pm“We are AMERICANS not Iraqis… you think it is OK to “pacify†Iraqis in their own home land? They didn’t even attack us… who the hell do you think you are?”
I think you like to argue just to argue. We are basically on the same page.
July 5th, 2007 at 9:08 pmBut the Iraqis need to take control of their own country. We should draw most of our forces down and let them do it.
Comment by The Captain — July 5, 2007 @ 9:06 pm
Draw down “most of our forces” and the few remaining will be that much easier to kill. You’re a genius!
July 5th, 2007 at 9:10 pm“… and then go in later and clean up the mess?”
I don’t know what the future will bring.
But we should allow the Iraqis to duke it out for their own country.
We should keep about 20k troops in there to go after al qaeda, but other than that the Iraqis should take over and make their own course.
July 5th, 2007 at 9:11 pmwhat will probably happen is a wider sectarian conflict involving iran and saudi arabia. the latter, in particular, is a very dangerous situation as the average income of saudis has gone down from around $30k to about $6k in the span of about 20 years.
the place is ripe, and we’re going to be right in the middle of it. iraq was actually the lynchpin that held the whole middle east together.
July 5th, 2007 at 9:11 pm… and then go in later and clean up the mess?
Comment by Raven — July 5, 2007 @ 9:08 pm
Exactly!
July 5th, 2007 at 9:11 pm“Draw down “most of our forces†and the few remaining will be that much easier to kill. You’re a genius!”
How so?
July 5th, 2007 at 9:12 pmI think you like to argue just to argue. We are basically on the same page.
Comment by The Captain
Here’s a hint — When you get a response like Gerald’s, you’re not “basically on the same page.”
July 5th, 2007 at 9:12 pmStar Trek?
Star Wars?
Stargate?
Comment by Zooey
Star Search?
Dancing with the Stars?
Comment by willyloman — July 5, 2007 @ 8:57 pm
…and Tenile?
July 5th, 2007 at 9:12 pmThe Problem for BushCo:The Iraqis do not want their natural resources stolen from them. When and if violence stops, protests WILL start.
July 5th, 2007 at 9:13 pmHow so?
Comment by The Captain
In now way, shape, or form.
July 5th, 2007 at 9:13 pm…and Tenile?
Comment by TerrytheTurtle
That’s what he’s missing, TtT — Muskrat Love.
July 5th, 2007 at 9:14 pmNo.. you see now that you want to be on the same page. I think you are responsible for this. Bush could not have done this without your prior support. For the rest of our lives we will openly or in the back of our minds remember what you have done. When it is promotion time we will remember that some of you soiled the name of America and the name of all Americans… we just might pass you up… we might spit in your food after over hearing a conversation you are having about the good ol days of Bush… we tried to stop you… we appealed to your better selves… and you called us traitors! And sent our fellow Americans to DIE… in the WRONG country and IGNORED Osama who may NEVER be caught now because of your chest thumping and VOTES for unAmerican failure after failure…. 2000 was one thing, but in 2004 you KNEW…. and didnt stop bush…. and you could have… I dont want to argue at all… I want justice for all the dead Americans that died under that little grey dot you put on that voting card next to the name Bush….
July 5th, 2007 at 9:14 pmZooey, how will our troops be easier to kill?
July 5th, 2007 at 9:14 pm“Starry, starry night, paint your pictures black and white…..”
July 5th, 2007 at 9:15 pmBut we should allow the Iraqis to duke it out for their own country.
We should keep about 20k troops in there to go after al qaeda, but other than that the Iraqis should take over and make their own course.
Comment by The Captain — July 5, 2007 @ 9:11 pm
LMAO – I can see it now – a three sided civil war – Sunnis, Shias, Kurds and then factions within each, some in police uniforms, some in mufti. And in the middle of it all, 20,000 GIs zipping in about in armoured Humvees: “Al Qadea? Good, first on the left, one cross each.” (thanks Eric Idle)
July 5th, 2007 at 9:15 pm“2000 was one thing, but in 2004 you KNEW…. and didnt stop bush…. ”
In 2004, John Kerry wanted to put even more troops into Iraq. I don’t think it would have made any difference voting for him.
What Bush should do is draw down most of our forces in Iraq, and let the Iraqis decide their own course.
July 5th, 2007 at 9:16 pmZooey, how will our troops be easier to kill?
Comment by The Captain
Because there would be fewer of them to protect themselves and each other!
What are you The Captain of, anyway? The Minnow?
July 5th, 2007 at 9:17 pmComment by Gerald Gibson — July 5, 2007 @ 9:14 pm
Well said, Gerald. I know I’LL remember.
July 5th, 2007 at 9:18 pmreally, bush is going to have to be dragged kicking and screaming away from his war presidency. captain’s whole premise is pretty outlandish because it assumes that for a moment, bush won’t be the obstinate bubble boy that he is.
July 5th, 2007 at 9:18 pm“Zooey, how will our troops be easier to kill?”
Comment by The Captain
By removing themselves into isolation on the mega-bases out in the Iraqi deserts, US forces may not be as vulnerable, because they can blast anything that comes near them.
July 5th, 2007 at 9:18 pmThey will not, however, be easily resupplied, and will be totally ineffectual in keeping the oil fields secure.
Which, of course, is what this whole fiasco is all about.
“LMAO – I can see it now – a three sided civil war – Sunnis, Shias, Kurds and then factions within each, some in police uniforms, some in mufti.”
Iraqis need to decide their own fate.
July 5th, 2007 at 9:19 pmThese wingnuts think we just want to be right, because that’s the way they feel. We just want the damn thing done because it’s f*cking wrong.
Comment by Zooey — July 5, 2007 @ 8:56 pm
Most definitely… But I guess it’s hard to understand when you have no heart…
July 5th, 2007 at 9:19 pmIraqis need to decide their own fate.
Comment by The Captain
Yeah? How did you feel about that on March 19, 2003?
July 5th, 2007 at 9:19 pm“Because there would be fewer of them to protect themselves and each other!”
More troops = more targets.
I want to draw down our forces from Iraq.
July 5th, 2007 at 9:20 pmIraqis need to decide their own fate.
Comment by The Captain — July 5, 2007 @ 9:19 pm
If we’d taken that approach say, oh I don’t know – how about January 2003, we wouldn’t be having a discussion about removing troops from their country right now!!
July 5th, 2007 at 9:20 pm“What are you The Captain of, anyway?”
perhaps the tune “Captain Jack” by Billy Joel offers a clue…………
July 5th, 2007 at 9:21 pmIraqis need to decide their own fate.
Comment by The Captain
Why are you here asking questions, if you’re not going to listen to the answers?
July 5th, 2007 at 9:21 pmIt is the Bush supporters who look at the US troops as merely pawns in Bush’s global war for a legacy.
Bush’s supporters who want US troops to die building schools in Iraq.
The same people who don’t want to spend a dime of “porkbarrel” money in America are willing to pour the nations treasure into the rathole of Iraq for a legacy of the worst president in American history.
The Bush supporters are like Bush. They don’t give a shit about the troops or the well being of America. They only care about the Crawford Caligula’s shattered legacy.
-GSD
July 5th, 2007 at 9:21 pmMost definitely… But I guess it’s hard to understand when you have no heart…
Comment by unbelievable
….or soul.
July 5th, 2007 at 9:22 pmDefinitely NOT Captain Jack Sparrow… he’s hot.
July 5th, 2007 at 9:22 pm“Yeah? How did you feel about that on March 19, 2003?”
I thought Iraqis would want to remove Saddam from power.
July 5th, 2007 at 9:22 pmIraqis need to decide their own fate.
Comment by The Captain
that’s what jay garner thought. he wanted iraqi elections within 90 days of the end of “major combat operations”. he was fired in less than two months and replaced with paul bremer.
this has never been about iraqis deciding their own fate. if you believe that, you are downright naÃve.
July 5th, 2007 at 9:22 pmMore troops = more targets.
I want to draw down our forces from Iraq.
Comment by The Captain
I see, you’re actually a simpleton called Gilligan, masquerading as The Captain.
July 5th, 2007 at 9:23 pmI thought Iraqis would want to remove Saddam from power.
Comment by The Captain — July 5, 2007 @ 9:22 pm
They why weren’t THEY doing anything about it?
You know REVOLUTION?
July 5th, 2007 at 9:24 pm“this has never been about iraqis deciding their own fate.”
It should be. Let them choose their own course. Bring most of our troops home.
July 5th, 2007 at 9:24 pmI thought Iraqis would want to remove Saddam from power.
Comment by The Captain
Maybe we should have asked THEM, or just let THEM do it.
Ya think?
Ever heard of White Man’s Burden?
July 5th, 2007 at 9:25 pmThey why weren’t THEY doing anything about it?
You know REVOLUTION?
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Saddam’s secret police.
July 5th, 2007 at 9:25 pmIt should be. Let them choose their own course. Bring most of our troops home.
Comment by The Captain — July 5, 2007 @ 9:24 pm
What you don’t answer questions either?
If we cared anything about the Iraqis we’d have ASKED them to begin with… Sheesh… Godd*mn know-it-all conservatives!
July 5th, 2007 at 9:26 pmAnd we wouldn’t be killing tens of thousands of them either!
July 5th, 2007 at 9:27 pm“If we cared anything about the Iraqis we’d have ASKED them to begin with”
Most Iraqis are happy Saddam is gone, according to polls. I don’t think they want him back in power.
July 5th, 2007 at 9:28 pmThe Captain, you are delusional. The Iraqis have been trying to take control of their country and the Bush administration has betrayed them. The WH tried to postpone elections, it rigged the one that was held, it vetoed the first pick for PM, it pays no attention to the present PM, and it’s still trying to bully them into passing outrageous legislation giving away Iraqi oil.
This is an occupation. The UN mandate –given after the UN first opined that the invasion was illegal– runs out on 31 Dec 2007. And the mandate states that the US/UK coalition is there at the pleasure of the Iraqi government and NOT to secure permanent military bases or browbeat the Iraqis into selling off their oil.
You know, if the USA left, it would not be a disaster. You are using the same arguments used by Churchill to oppose giving Freedom and Independence to India. Although their was considerable bloodshed as the two new nations were born, do you think anyone would want to go back to colonial India or go in to “clean up the mess”. Hahahaha.
What Reagan’s NSA chief knows –and what the ISG knew– is that the war in Iraq is LOST. And that Bush is childishly trying to pass this off onto the next president. Such a vanity project will degrade the US military, bankrupt American, and isolate the USA from the rest of the World. And you wonder why he’s so unpopular?
July 5th, 2007 at 9:29 pmSaddam’s secret police.
Comment by The Captain — July 5, 2007 @ 9:25 pm
That stops a horde of people wanting a coup for the sake of taking over and replacing the tyrant with their own tyranny. It doesn’t stop thousands, or even millions of people rising up… Check out history. In fact, look up “American Revolution”…
July 5th, 2007 at 9:29 pm“And we wouldn’t be killing tens of thousands of them either!”
Let them kill themselves if that’s what they want. We should bring most of our troops home.
July 5th, 2007 at 9:29 pmOk. It’s time to cut off The Captain. He’s just a bloodthirsty piss-soaked troll.
July 5th, 2007 at 9:29 pmI don’t think they want him back in power.
Comment by The Captain
Kind of late for that now, anyways.
July 5th, 2007 at 9:30 pmIraqis need to decide their own fate.
Comment by The Captain
Yeah? How did you feel about that on March 19, 2003?
Comment by Zooey
EXACTLY.
July 5th, 2007 at 9:30 pm“You know, if the USA left, it would not be a disaster. ”
You’re another one who likes to argue just for the sake of it. I agree with you in large part.
July 5th, 2007 at 9:31 pmI agree with you in large part.
Comment by The Captain
would that be “just for the record?”
July 5th, 2007 at 9:32 pmWhat an amnesiac moron!
You do know that Bush Sr encouraged a Revolution and then actively helped Saddam to slaughter the rebels. That’s why Saddam was hanged before he was tried for more serious crimes which certainly involved America.
Ah, the USA –lying, vicious, hypocritical scumbags.
July 5th, 2007 at 9:33 pmZooey,
Why is he a blood-thirsty troll?
He wants to reduce US forces in Iraq.
July 5th, 2007 at 9:33 pm“by 2010 we will need on the order of an additional 50 million barrels per day…so where is the oil to come from? the middle east, with two thirds of the world’s oil…is where the prize ultimately lies”
July 5th, 2007 at 9:34 pm-dick cheney, london, 1999
Most Iraqis are happy Saddam is gone, according to polls. I don’t think they want him back in power.
Comment by The Captain — July 5, 2007 @ 9:28 pm
Polls say that they’d take him over the mess we’ve made there.
In ten years, there will be another Saddam in charge. Watch. Saddam might have been a tyrant bully, but at least toilets flushed, power outlets worked, IEDs were unheard of and women could get an education….
What if the people he put into prison desreved it? I don’t know that they did or didn’t, but with the number of people we file away in our country, is it so hard to believe that Iraq has some people who deserve to be removed from society as well?
Your side didn’t think this through. It nearly never does…
July 5th, 2007 at 9:34 pmThank you, david, as always, for giving us a bigger world view.
July 5th, 2007 at 9:34 pm“Ah, the USA –lying, vicious, hypocritical scumbags.”
Comment by david
hey, only about 28%, remember?
July 5th, 2007 at 9:36 pm#77 We should keep about 20k troops in there to go after al qaeda,
Why? The overwhelming majority of the 5% of the insurgency that calls itself “Al Queda” is Al Queda in name only. It’s a brand that carries currency. Their connection to Bin Laden is nominal only. Why should we waste time and lives going after them when the Sh’ia want them dead and the Sunni only tolerate them because they’re useful idiots against us?
July 5th, 2007 at 9:36 pm“You do know that Bush Sr encouraged a Revolution and then actively helped Saddam to slaughter the rebels. ”
He didn’t help Saddam. He didn’t help the Iraqis when they did try to take over. He was wrong for that.
July 5th, 2007 at 9:36 pmLet them kill themselves if that’s what they want. We should bring most of our troops home.
Comment by The Captain — July 5, 2007 @ 9:29 pm
ALL of the troops need to come home if you truly think that Captain… There’s no point for any of them to stay – unless you want them to serve as targets of some sort?
July 5th, 2007 at 9:37 pmZooey,
Why is he a blood-thirsty troll?
He wants to reduce US forces in Iraq.
Comment by Mr. President
Please read the thread. It’s 100 degrees in Moscow, and I have no AC. I’m too short-tempered.
July 5th, 2007 at 9:37 pmApparently TP feels compelled to protect Dov Zakheim, having deleted all reference to his theft of $2.3 Trillion of DOD funds.
Do the math.
July 5th, 2007 at 9:38 pmIn ten years, there will be another Saddam in charge. Watch.
Comment by unbelievable
So true.
July 5th, 2007 at 9:39 pmIt is the Middle eastern ideal, to have a strong, dictatorial shepherd-like chieftain figure as a leader.
Has been for a long, long time.
*!*A*!*C*!*E*!*
July 5th, 2007 at 9:39 pm“The overwhelming majority of the 5% of the insurgency that calls itself “Al Queda†is Al Queda in name only.”
Explain that, please.
July 5th, 2007 at 9:39 pmHe didn’t help the Iraqis when they did try to take over. He was wrong for that.
Comment by The Captain
Yeah, he was wrong!! He abandoned the people he promised to help after the war — and Saddam killed them all. GHWB helped Saddam!
Moron.
July 5th, 2007 at 9:40 pmPlease read the thread. It’s 100 degrees in Moscow, and I have no AC. I’m too short-tempered.
Comment by Zooey — July 5, 2007 @ 9:37 pm
Seems nothing the cons touch ever goes well including the environment… Appalling.
Good night everyone!
July 5th, 2007 at 9:40 pm“ALL of the troops need to come home if you truly think that Captain… There’s no point for any of them to stay – unless you want them to serve as targets of some sort?”
Should all of our troops come home from Afghanistan?
July 5th, 2007 at 9:41 pmComment by Raven — July 5, 2007 @ 9:39 pm
Exactly. That sh*t has to stop, and it’s not going to unless we “clean up” a little bit.
July 5th, 2007 at 9:41 pm“Yeah, he was wrong!! He abandoned the people he promised to help after the war — and Saddam killed them all. GHWB helped Saddam!”
He didn’t help Saddam. Bush Sr. encouraged the Iraqis to rise up, and they did. He was wrong not to give them much assistance.
July 5th, 2007 at 9:42 pmYeah, he was wrong!! He abandoned the people he promised to help after the war…
Comment by Zooey — July 5, 2007 @ 9:40 pm
How is that different from what you’re advocating GW Bush should do?
July 5th, 2007 at 9:43 pmExactly. That sh*t has to stop, and it’s not going to unless we “clean up†a little bit.
Comment by Mr. President
White Man’s Burden. You idiots will never learn.
July 5th, 2007 at 9:44 pmIn ten years, there will be another Saddam in charge. Watch.
Comment by unbelievable
So true.
It is the Middle eastern ideal, to have a strong, dictatorial shepherd-like chieftain figure as a leader.
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Kind of like Mr. President was saying. We may have to go back in and do some dusting up at a later date.
July 5th, 2007 at 9:45 pmHe didn’t help Saddam. Bush Sr. encouraged the Iraqis to rise up, and they did. He was wrong not to give them much assistance.
Comment by The Captain
How is that different from what you’re advocating GW Bush should do?
Comment by Mr. President
Jesus christ, you two are f*cking retarded.
July 5th, 2007 at 9:46 pmTP:
Deleting posts that are linked to stories in the mainstream media make you look foolish.
What is it about Rumsfeld’s press conference on 9/10 that you don’t want people to know about?
Why are you preventing people from learning about the missing $2.3 trillion that Dov Zakheim was responsible for keeping track of while serving as the DOD Comptroller?
Are you protecting Dov Zakheim?
July 5th, 2007 at 9:46 pmTurn your air on, Zooey ;)
July 5th, 2007 at 9:47 pmKind of like Mr. President was saying. We may have to go back in and do some dusting up at a later date.
Comment by The Captain
And in return for our great “assistance” we’ll just take their oil, is that it?
July 5th, 2007 at 9:47 pmKind of like Mr. President was saying. We may have to go back in and do some dusting up at a later date.
Comment by The Captain
Do you imagine it will be a Judeo-Christian at the helm?
July 5th, 2007 at 9:48 pmLOL
captain, it’s not that he didn’t give the *much* assistance…he didn’t give them ANY assistance, after leading them to believe that we would help if they rose up. it was downright shameful. u.s. soldiers could see them being slaughtered and were ordered not to intervene.
July 5th, 2007 at 9:48 pmWhite Man’s Burden. You idiots will never learn.
Comment by Zooey — July 5, 2007 @ 9:44 pm
What are you talking about?
No one (white, black, red, yellow) wants to see another crazy despot take power and terrorize innocent people!
July 5th, 2007 at 9:48 pmKind of like Mr. President was saying. We may have to go back in and do some dusting up at a later date.
Comment by The Captain
And then whine and cry for all the dead, just like you did when Reagan armed both sides of the Iran/Iraq war.
July 5th, 2007 at 9:48 pm#
*!*A*!*C*!*E*!*
Comment by Mr. President — July 5, 2007 @ 9:39 pm
Where did my posting go that preceded this comment?
Do you favor censorship by TP?
July 5th, 2007 at 9:48 pmTurn your air on, Zooey ;)
Comment by The Captain
Shut the f*ck up, troll.
July 5th, 2007 at 9:48 pm“Why are you preventing people from learning about the missing $2.3 trillion that Dov Zakheim was responsible for keeping track of while serving as the DOD Comptroller?”
Shit, somebody lost track of 2.3 trillion?
July 5th, 2007 at 9:48 pmlol @ Zooey. She’s hot and mean.
July 5th, 2007 at 9:49 pmTP:..
Are you protecting Dov Zakheim?
Comment by ace — July 5, 2007 @ 9:46 pm
LOL!!! A.C.E.!!!
Give it up!!!
July 5th, 2007 at 9:49 pmWhat are you talking about?
No one (white, black, red, yellow) wants to see another crazy despot take power and terrorize innocent people!
Comment by Mr. President
White. Man’s. Burden.
Look it up.
July 5th, 2007 at 9:50 pmDo you favor censorship by TP?
Comment by ace — July 5, 2007 @ 9:48 pm
No, is it gone?!
July 5th, 2007 at 9:50 pmCaptain:
Enough to fund a coup and a war.
TP doesn’t want you to know the details, so they keep deleting mainstream articles that would educate you.
July 5th, 2007 at 9:50 pmace, it’s post #133
July 5th, 2007 at 9:51 pm“captain, it’s not that he didn’t give the *much* assistance…he didn’t give them ANY assistance, after leading them to believe that we would help if they rose up. it was downright shameful. u.s. soldiers could see them being slaughtered and were ordered not to intervene.”
He gave them some air cover. But I agree. It wasn’t right what Bush Sr. did. The Iraqis wanted Saddam out of power, and Bush Sr. should not have been so stubborn.
July 5th, 2007 at 9:51 pmTP doesn’t want you to know the details, so they keep deleting mainstream articles that would educate you.
Comment by ace
Nothing can educate the Captain — he won’t allow it.
July 5th, 2007 at 9:52 pmWhy do Senators; Pete Domenici, Richard luger, George Voinovich, and John Warner hate our troops ? They are “cut and runners”. Our President-a real hero-should kick their wimp a$$es. I think all four are -GASP-Hippies. Hell, Rudi nows the exact date to switch from white to a low cut black cocktail dress.
July 5th, 2007 at 9:52 pmsuddenly the deleted posts re-appear up the thread.
Amazing.
Stop the games.
July 5th, 2007 at 9:52 pm$hit nows is knows.
July 5th, 2007 at 9:53 pmThanks, Raven. I know most American individuals are okay, but, as an outsider, I have no problem labelling the collective in a mocking way. I have no problem mocking Canada either. We just had our Canada Day on July 1st and a much quieter, less patriotic event it is. Okay, I apologize for being over the top and mean, but the perception worldwide is that America’s help is always a mixed blessing and more often it’s about helping America and not anyone else.
The Captain, boy, do you not know history. Bush Sr actually allowed Saddam’s helicopter gunships slaughter the Shiites and American troops prevented the rebels from obtaining several arms caches. The rebels came very close to overthrowing Saddam and would have if Saddam hadn’t had such a friend as two-faced Uncle Sam.
July 5th, 2007 at 9:53 pmHello, I’m Ronald Reagan, former president and TRAITOR to the USA.
And NOW, I’m DEAD and BURNING IN HELL FOR ETERNITY.
And YOU can be, TOO! So, LISTEN to the EVIL ONE, Bush!!
My Master Satan HATES that “Odometer” guy, because he
TELLS THE TRUTH to the American public.
And Master likes LIARS like Bush and Cheney, actually he LOVES them SO MUCH, that their ENTIRE FAMILY is set to go to hell…
So, don’t LISTEN to the TRUTH-TELLERS like Odom.
You are WARNED!! Master Satan says that if you DO, you will NOT be permitted into hell to be with the EVIL ONES Bush and Cheney.
It’s YOUR choice…
Satan Bless the Bushes, Cheneys, and their EVIL supporters.
Treasonously yours from the fires of hell,
Traitor Ronnie and my Master Satan
July 5th, 2007 at 9:53 pm“Enough to fund a coup and a war.”
Where is the $2.3 trillion now?
July 5th, 2007 at 9:53 pmNow are you going to replace the missing THIRTY postings that you deleted from the Rove Thread this morning?
July 5th, 2007 at 9:54 pmLook it up.
Comment by Zooey — July 5, 2007 @ 9:50 pm
I know what it means, you’ve been saying it all day.
But still, why would anyone of any race or sex want to see perpetual violence and tyranny?
July 5th, 2007 at 9:55 pmWhite Man’s Burden
Comment by Zooey
Thanks, Zooey, I had never read that before.
July 5th, 2007 at 9:55 pmDo I hear a deep note of sarcasm underneath his words, or is it just me…….
This poem is so appropriate to my work experience at present, as I work with a large majority of native Americans, I may memorize it, something to chant along the trail…………………
Where is the $2.3 trillion now?
Comment by The Captain — July 5, 2007 @ 9:53 pm
Israel.
July 5th, 2007 at 9:55 pm#74
The Democrats want a repeat of Korea, I guess.
Pull the troops out. Hillary will send them back in February 09.
July 5th, 2007 at 9:55 pmWe should leave Iraq.
July 5th, 2007 at 9:55 pmThat way the Muslims would kill each iother.
That’ll be cool seeing Hizb’Allah suicide bombers vs. Al-Qaeda suicide bombers!
How about covered Iranian wiomen against covered Saudi women!
It’ll be great TV !
I’ll have my wine and popcorn ready!
Hopefully it’ll set Islamic society back a few decades.
That way they’ll be harmless!
What’s up, The Joker.
July 5th, 2007 at 9:56 pmThe Captain, boy, do you not know history. Bush Sr actually allowed Saddam’s helicopter gunships slaughter the Shiites and American troops prevented the rebels from obtaining several arms caches. The rebels came very close to overthrowing Saddam and would have if Saddam hadn’t had such a friend as two-faced Uncle Sam.
Comment by david
Thank you, david. However, the Captain is not here to learn, he’s here to ask stupid questions, over and over again.
July 5th, 2007 at 9:56 pmHmmm, Reagans NSA Cheif…. sounds like a moonbat lib huh?
July 5th, 2007 at 9:57 pmWhat’s up, The Joker.
Comment by Mr. President — July 5, 2007 @ 9:56 pm
Bend over and find out.
July 5th, 2007 at 9:57 pmBut still, why would anyone of any race or sex want to see perpetual violence and tyranny?
Comment by Mr. President
Ask your f*cking King and the “Dick!”
July 5th, 2007 at 9:57 pmace,
July 5th, 2007 at 9:58 pmYour a typical Muslim disinformant.
The missing money is in either Iran or Saudi Arabia.
The Mualims control America and have agents like you and Gerald the Jihadists spewing pure lies!
“He gave them some air cover. But I agree. It wasn’t right what Bush Sr. did. The Iraqis wanted Saddam out of power, and Bush Sr. should not have been so stubborn.”
Comment by The Captain
What he shouldn’t have done, is allow April Glaspie to tell Saddam that America wouldn’t interfere if he invaded Iraq. All of the dead Iraqis and Kuwaitis are Bush senior’s responsibility.
July 5th, 2007 at 9:58 pm“Pull the troops out. Hillary will send them back in February 09.”
The libs here will applaud it too.
July 5th, 2007 at 9:58 pm“The rebels came very close to overthrowing Saddam and would have if Saddam hadn’t had such a friend as two-faced Uncle Sam.”
I know it. The Iraqis wanted Saddam out of power. I really don’t blame them.
July 5th, 2007 at 10:00 pmIt sure is the democrats fault that the head of the NSA under Ronald Reagan, the beloved of the republican party, wants to pull out of Iraq and impeach Bush.
We’ve got him hypnotized.
July 5th, 2007 at 10:00 pmComment by Raven — July 5, 2007 @ 9:55 pm
Raven,
This is what I’m referring to:
White Man’s Burden: The supposed or presumed responsibility of white people to govern and impart their culture to nonwhite people, often advanced as a justification for European colonialism.
….and for our “trouble” we usually suck up all of the newly “advanced” folks resources. Such as oil.
Ar eyou talking about Kiplings poem?
July 5th, 2007 at 10:01 pm“All of the dead Iraqis and Kuwaitis are Bush senior’s responsibility.”
I’m not a fan of Bush Sr. Clinton could have helped the Iraqis revolution as well.
July 5th, 2007 at 10:01 pm“Pull the troops out. Hillary will send them back in February 09.â€
The libs here will applaud it too.
Comment by The Captain — July 5, 2007 @ 9:58 pm
So is the stuff your taking that new $hit called “cheese” ?
July 5th, 2007 at 10:02 pmAh, the joys of American discourse.
Yes, White Man’s Burden is a highly ironic poem and was oddly seized as straightforward by Americans at the time when they were considering building their own Empire. But the poem had a different response in the British Empire where irony is the order of the day.
Of course, the secret America discovered was not to bring any benefits to the colonies but merely steal the natural resources and have puppet tyrants keep the natives in line. How much more efficient than the British who actually “went native” and tried to provide good government.
July 5th, 2007 at 10:02 pmWhere is the $2.3 trillion now?
Comment by The Captain — July 5, 2007 @ 9:53 pm
Israel.
Comment by ace — July 5, 2007 @ 9:55 pm
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Well, they do need it to fight Islamic terrorism.
July 5th, 2007 at 10:04 pmThe missing money is in either Iran or Saudi Arabia.
Weeellll, if it’s Saudi Arabia, then the Bushes got their share.
Actually Master Satan says it IS Saudi Arabia AND Israel.
Which means Wolfowitz, Perle, and Lieberman ALSO got their share.
Master LOVES them SO MUCH for ALL THE EVIL AND GENOCIDE.
Satan Bless the Bushes, Cheneys and their supporters!!
Traitorously yours and burning in hell for ETERNITY,
Traitor Ronnie and my Master Satan
July 5th, 2007 at 10:04 pmI’m not a fan of Bush Sr. Clinton could have helped the Iraqis revolution as well.
This fight should have been waged 8 years ago. Iraq should have been Clinton’s war.
July 5th, 2007 at 10:05 pmdavid,
July 5th, 2007 at 10:05 pmdon’t forget in the 7th century.
The Muslims had the Muslim man’s burden to spread Islam by the sword.
Muslims aren’t innocent neither.
But you wouldn’t admit that since it goes against yor brainwashing!
This fight should have been waged 8 years ago. Iraq should have been Clinton’s war.
Comment by m12
Moron.
July 5th, 2007 at 10:07 pmAr eyou talking about Kiplings poem?
Comment by Zooey
Yes, I googled White Mans Burden, and that’s what came up.
And thanks, david, for answering my question about the underlying sentiment of the poem.
Irony and sarcasm are close enough.
And, as far as the joys of American discourse go, david, do I detect a note of sarcasm in your post?
July 5th, 2007 at 10:09 pmOr is it irony?………….;)
Well, it’s understandable that Odom would call for withdrawl. He’s still got the blood of Iran/Iraq war dead on his hands. Like Bob McNamara, as he gets closer to death, he’s getting that old fear of lordly retribution. This is his attempt at making amends for past mistakes, so that God will see, and not damn him for all eternity.
July 5th, 2007 at 10:09 pmTurn your air on Zooey. You’re losing your mind from the heat.
July 5th, 2007 at 10:09 pmIslamic terror??? You are a passive aggressive ba$tard, The Captain.
There’s Islamic terror, Israeli terror, and American terror. Don’t give me your reasonable sh!t. You don’t know any history. And you don’t know how the rebels were deliberately allowed to be slaughtered because Bush didn’t want them to win. In truth, Bush really didn’t have anything against Saddam.
Israel is a failed state. It costs billions of dollars to keep it from folding. And it’s largely because it’s being used to police the Middle East for America. Peace and security is possible. But it would come with independence for the other Muslim states in the region and America doesn’t want that; it would mean $100/barrel oil.
July 5th, 2007 at 10:10 pmAnd, yes Zooey, by simple osmosis over the years I had the gist of what that phrase has come to mean…………………….:)
July 5th, 2007 at 10:11 pmComment by The Captain
You should check your own cabin pressure. I think it’s mixed a little thin…
July 5th, 2007 at 10:12 pmThis is his attempt at making amends for past mistakes, so that God will see, and not damn him for all eternity.
Comment by barfly
Yes, and Mater Satan is REALLY PISSED at Odom’s TRUTH-TELLING. Master thought he had his soul IN THE BAG!!!
NO ONE is EVIL like Bush and Cheney. NOT EVEN Saddam or Osama!
Treasonously yours from hell,
Traitor Ronnie and my Master Satan
July 5th, 2007 at 10:12 pm“But we should start withdrawing our forces. The Iraqis need to step up. And we should start standing down.
And watch Bush’s approval soar!”
There are two things wrong with your line of thinking. The first is that the Iraqis are never going to “stand up” so we can “stand down”. They haven’t done it in 5 years and they aren’t going to do it if we start pulling out.
And your “watch Bush’s approval soar” is a joke, right. There is very little that Bush can do to save his presidency. The people are on to him and they don’t believe anything he says any longer. And when it comes to Iraq, they know who is to blame and who will be to blame through history.
July 5th, 2007 at 10:13 pmYes, I googled White Mans Burden, and that’s what came up.
Comment by Raven
Being a Sociology major, I meant the definition I posted.
I’d forgotten it was the title of Kipling’s poem, as well.
July 5th, 2007 at 10:13 pm“Israel is a failed state. It costs billions of dollars to keep it from folding.”
They should be able to defend themselves against Islamic terrorism.
July 5th, 2007 at 10:13 pmTurn your air on Zooey. You’re losing your mind from the heat.
Comment by The Captain
What happened to your mind?
Fireants?
July 5th, 2007 at 10:14 pm“They should be able to defend themselves against Islamic terrorism.”
Comment by The Captain
On their own dime.
July 5th, 2007 at 10:14 pmCaptain, sir?
July 5th, 2007 at 10:15 pmCould you come up out of the bilge, sir?
There’s something you should know…….
Oh, The Joker, you do recall that the Jews prefered living under the Muslims in the Middle Ages than they did the Christians.
You really don’t know history, do you? You just quote stereotypical nonsense. I bet you think all the wars with Israel were started by the Arabs. Hahahaha.
July 5th, 2007 at 10:15 pmComment by david — July 5, 2007 @ 10:10 pm
There wouldn’t be a problem if the Muslims could just act civilized for a change.
They claim that Islam is a peaceful religion, but that does not seem to be true at all.
Sure there are Christian and Jewish extremists, but in this day and age, not nearly as many as there are Muslim terrorists.
david, you sir, are an idiot.
July 5th, 2007 at 10:18 pmHey trollie morons,
How come none of you were wetting your beds about Islamic terrorist on 9/10/01 and before?
July 5th, 2007 at 10:19 pmDavid, what you know is revisionist history. No offense.
July 5th, 2007 at 10:19 pmInteresting fella, Kipling. Sympathized with the common man and yet displayed a healthy strain of jingoism – can’t say I’ve studied the man. I think his Imperial delusions died with his son on the Loos battlefield in 1915.
July 5th, 2007 at 10:21 pmDavid, what you know is revisionist history. No offense.
Comment by The Captain
You don’t know that! You have no brain.
July 5th, 2007 at 10:22 pm#210
We underestimated the nature and ability of the Islamic fundamentalists.
As Mr. Ahmadinejad continues to construct weapons of mass destruction, we will not make that mistake again.
July 5th, 2007 at 10:23 pmDavid has a decent point. At the moment there are 20,000 jews living in Iran – they even have a member of Iranian parliament. Not consistent with a desire to ‘wipe Israel off the map’ – why doesn’t Ahmadinejad start at home? The Lebanon was a multicultural society until the PLO and then the Israeli army came to town.
July 5th, 2007 at 10:24 pmZooey, no air conditioner has turned you into a zombie. Turn it on for crying out loud!
July 5th, 2007 at 10:24 pmComment by Marie — July 5, 2007 @ 8:46 pm
Good summary, Marie!
July 5th, 2007 at 10:25 pmWe underestimated the nature and ability of the Islamic fundamentalists.
Comment by m12
WRONG!! No one TOLD you to be afraid.
July 5th, 2007 at 10:26 pmOdom writes: “writes that Congress should begin cutting off funds for Iraq and must force Bush to begin a withdrawal before he leaves office”.
What is wrong with these inept retards !!! Leave Iraq now! Not after a few more young men and women are slaughtered and lose their opportunity to live a full life. No one has the right to dictate an unjust war. Any war must meet significant tests of scrutiny. This mess is just an ego trip for Bush demanding a few more days, a few more dollars and maybe it will turn out all right. Baloney. We can all see that the disaster to Iraq and to our military, economy and country are unconscionable.
July 5th, 2007 at 10:27 pmZooey, no air conditioner has turned you into a zombie. Turn it on for crying out loud!
Comment by The Captain
F*ckwit, how does one turn on an AC one does not possess?
Hmmmmmmmmmm……………?
July 5th, 2007 at 10:27 pmComment by TerrytheTurtle — July 5, 2007 @ 10:24 pm
david’s point has nothing to do with what The Joker was saying.
david just wanted to blabber on about how terrible the “white man” has been through the ages.
July 5th, 2007 at 10:28 pmHow did such a nice girl from Moscow turn into such a liberal?
;)
July 5th, 2007 at 10:28 pmWhy do you Lefties ignore Islamic Imperialism through the centuries?
July 5th, 2007 at 10:28 pmYou’re all a bunch of self hating Dhimmis.
Good little pawns of your Islamic masters!
G H Bush has committed crimes against humanity just like G W Bush!
I know people like the Captain want to forget what happened in Panama, but the poor people who were burned alive and buried in mass graves when the poorest part of Panana was fire bombed, have not been forgotten by myself and many others.
What was their crime?
The simply lived in the same city where they thought “pineapple face” was hiding, because he had evidence linking then CIA head G H Bush with his cocaine smuggling racket.
Of course why he would be hiding in a tinder box ghetto never crossed G H Bush’s mind, or did it?
Both father and son belong on trial at the Hague!
July 5th, 2007 at 10:29 pmZooey, go buy an air conditioner for god sakes. You can get one at Home Depot. What are you waiting for?
July 5th, 2007 at 10:29 pm#218
It is not a matter of fear. It is a matter of practicality.
It took 2000 American casualties and the destruction of Pearl Harbor for the United States to take the Japs seriously. Are you waiting for a nuclear detonation on US soil before we do something about Islam?
July 5th, 2007 at 10:29 pmHow did such a nice girl from Moscow turn into such a liberal?
Comment by The Captain
I possess an exceptional brain.
Sorry about your fire ant problem.
July 5th, 2007 at 10:29 pmTerrythe dhimmi,
July 5th, 2007 at 10:30 pmAs always like a true Leftist.
Ahmadinejad is now the hero of the Left.
How pathetic!
m12,
In the Stalini9st mind it’s
Iran=good
Israel=bad
Islam=good
Jews/Christians=bad
Ahmadinejad=Great
US=Evil
That explains the mindset here!
July 5th, 2007 at 10:33 pmZooey, go buy an air conditioner for god sakes. You can get one at Home Depot. What are you waiting for?
Comment by The Captain
Send me some f*cking money, brainless. Why don’t you mind your own business?
July 5th, 2007 at 10:34 pm#
G H Bush has committed crimes against humanity just like G W Bush!
I know people like the Captain want to forget what happened in Panama, but the poor people who were burned alive and buried in mass graves when the poorest part of Panana was fire bombed, have not been forgotten by myself and many others.
What was their crime?
The simply lived in the same city where they thought “pineapple face†was hiding, because he had evidence linking then CIA head G H Bush with his cocaine smuggling racket.
Of course why he would be hiding in a tinder box ghetto never crossed G H Bush’s mind, or did it?
Both father and son belong on trial at the Hague!
Comment by criticalthinker
Weellll, YES, that’s TRUE.
I’d be on trial for that TOO…
Except I’m DEAD and BURNING IN HELL.
Poppy and Junior and Dick will be here SOON.
Master Satan wants to make butt-pyramids of the EVIL ONES!
Treasonously yours from hell,
Traitor Ronnie and my Master Satan
July 5th, 2007 at 10:35 pmTraitor Ronnie and my Master Satan
Comment by Traitor Ronald Reagan and his Master Satan
I’m so glad you’re burning in hell, Ronnie.
July 5th, 2007 at 10:37 pmAre you waiting for a nuclear detonation on US soil before we do something about Islam?
Comment by m12
And what are you gonna “do” about a world-wide religion, that has millions of adherents in the US?
Detention camps? Tatoos? Electronic tracking chips?
Mass forced deportations?
Take any of these steps, and the secessionists will use the excuse to commit terrorist acts, and to recruit new terrorists into the fold.
July 5th, 2007 at 10:37 pm“Send me some f*cking money, brainless. Why don’t you mind your own business?”
Zooey, if you needed money for an air conditioner all you had to do was ask. I’m here for you, baby!
July 5th, 2007 at 10:38 pm#229
And Chavez….I wonder if his assassination prophecy will become self fulfilling.
July 5th, 2007 at 10:38 pmbarfly,
“Detention camps? Tatoos? Electronic tracking chips?
Mass forced deportations?”
Yes that would be a good start.
How about stopping Immigration from Musdlim countries.
Seizing the assets of Muslims in America.
Investingating members of the government and the media with Islamic ties.
It would go a long way!
“
July 5th, 2007 at 10:39 pmZooey, if you needed money for an air conditioner all you had to do was ask. I’m here for you, baby!
Comment by The Captain
Get bent, and then get lost, pervert.
July 5th, 2007 at 10:39 pmGet bent, and then get lost, pervert.
Comment by Zooey
you tell ‘em Zooey
July 5th, 2007 at 10:41 pmI’m so glad you’re burning in hell, Ronnie.
Comment by Zooey
Weeellll, THANK YOU.
Master Satan LOVES me.
And REALLY LOVES the Bushes and Cheneys, and has SPECIAL PLACES FOR EVERY ONE OF THEM HERE…
Treasonously yours from hell,
Traitor Ronnie and my Master Satan
P.S. Zooey, if you think it’s hot where YOU are, Weeeellllll….
July 5th, 2007 at 10:41 pmburqa-fly,
What would you do?
Sit back and let Islamic terrorism run rampant?
The Muslims here know that if they stay calm they will be fine, but if they start pulling some stupid shit, then, yes, they will be treated like terrorists.
July 5th, 2007 at 10:42 pmTake any of these steps, and the secessionists will use the excuse to commit terrorist acts, and to recruit new terrorists into the fold.
They will do so, regardless, and have done so on 911.
The proper thing to do is to continue destroying them in Iraq and Afghanistan.
July 5th, 2007 at 10:42 pm“Get bent, and then get lost, pervert.”
*moons Zooey*
July 5th, 2007 at 10:43 pm“It would go a long way!”
Comment by The Joker
Towards fractionating American attitudes? The South still thinks it will rise again – and this would give them plenty of rhetorical ammunition for recruiting good old boys for terrorist acts against american infrastucture.
Try and think before posting.
July 5th, 2007 at 10:43 pmburqa-fly,
Actually, The Joker has some good ideas too.
July 5th, 2007 at 10:43 pmAnd Chavez….I wonder if his assassination prophecy will become self fulfilling.
Comment by m12
Weeelll, yes, Pat Robertson WILL be here VERY SOON.
Jerry Falwell has a stgrapon JUST FOR PAT!!
Treasonously yours from hell,
Traitor Ronnie and my Master Satan
July 5th, 2007 at 10:43 pmThere should be an IQ test for this site.
July 5th, 2007 at 10:44 pm“The proper thing to do is to continue destroying them in Iraq and Afghanistan.”
Comment by m12
How stupid are you?
I’m talking about Americans, dummy.
July 5th, 2007 at 10:44 pmbarfly ,
July 5th, 2007 at 10:45 pmYou’re an ignorant Dhimmi.
Southerners hate Muslims!
They would cheer if the Muslims were rounded up and deported.
Why do you support Muslims and hate your fellow Americans?
Investingating members of the government and the media with Islamic ties.
It would go a long way!
“
Comment by The Joker — July 5, 2007 @ 10:39 pm
ok joker – then start with the saudis and the bush family
July 5th, 2007 at 10:45 pmComment by Mr. President Pinhead
I could have predicted your trollish sycophancy.
It must hurt you to think. You do so little of it.
July 5th, 2007 at 10:46 pmburqa-fly,
July 5th, 2007 at 10:46 pmI’m talking about Muslims.
Southerners are a threat to no one.
They are Americans!
Comment by The Joker
That’s right; keep playing the fool. But don’t bother us grown-ups ok?
July 5th, 2007 at 10:47 pmipod ,
July 5th, 2007 at 10:47 pmIf you have read my posts I have mention the Saudi-Bush connections and the Democrat-Iranian connections.
I detest both parties as they are ran by Muslims!
burqa-fly,
You’re the one who thinks that the South will rise again because of MUSLIMS.
That is one of the most ignorant things I have ever heard!
July 5th, 2007 at 10:47 pm#247
Surveillance. Those in league with Al Qaeda will be dealt with in accordance with Franklin Roosevelt’s policies.
July 5th, 2007 at 10:47 pmP.S. Zooey, if you think it’s hot where YOU are, Weeeellllll….
Comment by Traitor Ronald Reagan and his Master Satan
I feel cooler already, Ronnie. Burn baby, burn….
July 5th, 2007 at 10:48 pmburqa-fly,
July 5th, 2007 at 10:48 pmUnlike you I’m not a traitor to my country.
As a typical Pro-Muslim elitist you get tight when Muslims are attacked.
You must defend your masters at all cost!
The only Americans I hate are the Ilsamic supporters like you.
ok joker – then start with the saudis and the bush family
Comment by ipod
BINGO!!!
Master Satan says that Bush and the Saudis ARE the EVIL ONES!
And master LOVES them SO MUCH for their EVIL!!
Treasonously yours from Satan’s bedroom,
Traitor Ronnie and my Master Satan
July 5th, 2007 at 10:49 pm“Southerners are a threat to no one.”
What idiot typed this? The fool must not know Waco, Texas is in the South.
July 5th, 2007 at 10:49 pmI could have predicted your trollish sycophancy.
It must hurt you to think. You do so little of it.
Comment by barfly
Mr President has joined the ranks of Patrick1, maichael, Flaco and The Captain.
Big troll in a small trollie pond.
July 5th, 2007 at 10:50 pmtime to leave the ignorant troll hate fest and find another post.
But don’t worry, they will be following soon enough.
Thats what they do. Follow. blindly
July 5th, 2007 at 10:50 pmMr. P,
July 5th, 2007 at 10:50 pmBurqa hate fellow Americans but supports Muslims!
He’s a traitor!
David Koresh,
July 5th, 2007 at 10:50 pmYeah and 9/11 was in NY!
Comment by Zooey — July 5, 2007 @ 10:50 pm
It seems you Lefties are the trolls now.
July 5th, 2007 at 10:51 pm“There is very little Bush can do to save his presidency.” So true! So true!
In fact, there’s very little Bush can do to save his retirement years.
Realistically, I think George W. Bush should read about O. J. Simpson’s life–post-trial. I think the scope of Bush’s life will be somewhat similar to Simpson’s life. Somewhat! Yes, Bush will have bodyguards but he’s not going to be totally insulated from negativity wherever he goes.
Bush may want to eat at X restaurant or Y restaurant, but the owner may say, “I don’t want your business. You gave us the business for eight years. Leave!”
Bush may want to play a round of golf at X Country Club or Y Country Club, but the owner may say,”I don’t want your business. You gave us the business for eight years. Leave.”
Eventually, Bush will rub shoulders with family members of deceased soldiers. As of now he has little contact with family members, and if he does everything is staged. That won’t happen in retirement.
Let’s just say it’s not going to be a pretty picture when angry family members, or the public in general, are talking to Bush in a negative tone. I’m not a controntational person, so I wouldn’t do it. On the other hand, I haven’t lost a family member in Iraq or Afghanistan. When a loved one has died due to mispresentations, lies, and deceit, that’s another story. As far as I know, it’s not against the law to talk to an ex-president in a negative tone. I think that’s going to happen on a regular basis.
Bush will probably spend most of his remaining years on his ranch or in Texas. He will mingle with wealthy cronies, and staged events, but that’s about it. He better not leave Texas, because other states are not going to be too welcoming.
Maybe O. J. Simpson and George W. Bush can become good friends. There both deserve each other.
July 5th, 2007 at 10:51 pmComment by Traitor Ronald Reagan and his Master Satan ,
July 5th, 2007 at 10:52 pmRead my post above!
I know about the Bush-Saudi connection and the Iranian-Democrat connection!
He’s a traitor!
Comment by The Joker
If this be treason, let us make the most of it.
July 5th, 2007 at 10:52 pmThe Joker,
I know, he is an Islamo-Stalinist and like most people here he apologizes for muslims all the time.
By the way, I’m PIP, in case you didn’t know.
July 5th, 2007 at 10:52 pmJohn Gilpins,
July 5th, 2007 at 10:53 pmBush can alwaysd move to Saudi Arabia!
Burqa-fly,
July 5th, 2007 at 10:54 pmYou are a traitor.
You hate fellow Americans but time and time again defend Muslims.
ZYou’re a brainwashed Dhimmi doing your Muslims master’s bidding!
Comment by TerrytheTurtle — July 5, 2007 @ 10:24 pm
david’s point has nothing to do with what The Joker was saying.
david just wanted to blabber on about how terrible the “white man†has been through the ages.
Comment by Mr. President — July 5, 2007 @ 10:28 pm
Was it? I guess I didn’t read all the way back.
Terrythe dhimmi,
As always like a true Leftist.
Ahmadinejad is now the hero of the Left.
How pathetic!
Comment by The Jerkoff — July 5, 2007 @ 10:30 pm
Two problems with your thesis there Einstein.
July 5th, 2007 at 10:54 pm1. My voting record does not jive with your impression of a ‘leftist’
2. Ahmadinejad is ideologically opposed to traditional social democracy so its hard for him to be a ‘hero of the left’ – his ideology is closer to Regents University than to social democracy.
PIp,
July 5th, 2007 at 10:55 pmmy buddy!
What’s up!
I was in the Caymans seeing one of my Lady friends!
Had a great time!
It seems you Lefties are the trolls now.
Comment by Mr. President
That’s you victim face, Mr President. Waaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhh!!
This is my place, I will never be counted as a troll.
July 5th, 2007 at 10:56 pmTerrytheTurtle,
July 5th, 2007 at 10:57 pmYou’re a liar.
In post after post you always take the Pro-Muslim position.
Only Leftists and the Neo-Nazis support the ZIslamists.
Admadinejad although a Rightwing Fascist has become a hero to many on the Left.
He hates Israel and America so the Leftists love him!
That’s why he gets great media coverage!
We can now add one more republican to a growing list of conservatives who disagree with the surge strategy of this president. They realize that this president is stubbornly refusing to see that under his leadership we have lost this war. Bush must set a date to get all troops out of Iraq. Right now we have no exit plan for Iraq. To not have one is both irresponsible and incompetent. The best way to support the troops to get them out of harm’s way.
The best way to support the troops is to bring them home safely back to their families. Cutting off funds is one way Congress can bring this surge and the war to a close. Congress has the power of the purse and they can use this power. Impeachment should clearly be an option for Congress. This president has given democrats plenty of reasons.
The US attorneys firing scandal which has led to 7 resignations of Justice department officials, the outing of covert CIA agent Valerie Plame, taking us to war under the false premise of WMDs in Iraq and links between Saddam and bin Laden that never existed. And now we can add the commutation of Libby’s prison sentence to that list. If the president is found to have commuted the sentence to protect himself or other in the White House he may have broken the law which can be an impeachable offense.
July 5th, 2007 at 10:58 pm“I know, he is an Islamo-Stalinist and like most people here he apologizes for muslims all the time.”
Doesn’t even have the same kick as the old “commie-pinko.” Boy, when the USSR folded, you guys surely were caught flat-footed. You’ve had so little time to compose a decent epithet.
And it shows.
**snerk**
July 5th, 2007 at 10:58 pmWas it? I guess I didn’t read all the way back
Comment by TerrytheTurtle — July 5, 2007 @ 10:54 pm
Yes. The Joker only said that Muslims had Muslim man’s burden long before whites had white man’s burden. Then david came in and started yapping about Israel and arabs for no reason.
July 5th, 2007 at 10:59 pmburqafly,
July 5th, 2007 at 11:00 pmSo if your not a Stalinist are you a neo-Nazi?
That’s the only other Westerners who support the Islamists!
The Joker,
It’s good to see your views again!
These Lefties get out of control sometimes.
Not really.
July 5th, 2007 at 11:00 pmTerrytheTurtle,
You’re a liar.
In post after post you always take the Pro-Muslim position.
Only Leftists and the Neo-Nazis support the ZIslamists.
Admadinejad although a Rightwing Fascist has become a hero to many on the Left.
He hates Israel and America so the Leftists love him!
That’s why he gets great media coverage!
Comment by The Joker — July 5, 2007 @ 10:57 pm
Oops, now you are making false, unsupported allegations. Bad luck for you. You seem to be a tool.
July 5th, 2007 at 11:01 pmYes. The Joker only said that Muslims had Muslim man’s burden long before whites had white man’s burden. Then david came in and started yapping about Israel and arabs for no reason.
Comment by Mr. President
You must feel so powerful in your tiny and inconsequential trollie kingdom.
July 5th, 2007 at 11:02 pmBut I would love to see you try to prove it, knobcheese.
July 5th, 2007 at 11:02 pmMr Pres,
July 5th, 2007 at 11:02 pmthe Leftists never like to discuss the 7th Century Jihad against the Persians and Romans.
That’s because they were never taught it!
They can’t discuss anything outside of their PC brainwashing.
Mention the 7th Century Jihad, they get brain overload!
Remember their mindset:
Muslims=good
Jews/Christians/Hindus=bad!
TerrytheTurtle ,
July 5th, 2007 at 11:04 pmPost 215 you were defending Ahmadinejad!
burqa-fly,
I’ve called you an Islamo-Stalinist before.
July 5th, 2007 at 11:04 pmYou denied it and told me to prove it.
Well, today you made Pro-Muslim Lefty comments that made excuses for muslims. You are an Islamo-Stalinist, and you want America to be ruled by Muslims.
That’s the only other Westerners who support the Islamists!
Comment by The Joker
Nice try, but just because I won’t stand for you smearing an entire religion for the acts of a few fanatics, this doesn’t make me an islamist. It does make you an alarmist, however.
July 5th, 2007 at 11:04 pmTerrythe dhimmi,
That means you’re either
A)Neo-Nazi
B)Islamo-Stalinist aka Dhimmi
which is it?
July 5th, 2007 at 11:05 pmThe Joker,
They also think that Muslims are peaceful.
HA!!!
They are completely brainwashed, it isn’t even funny!!!
July 5th, 2007 at 11:06 pmburqafly,
July 5th, 2007 at 11:07 pmYou make swipes against Southern Americans.
So you have no moral high groud.
So what are you?
An Islamo-Stalinist aka Leftist-Dhimmi or Neo-Nazi’s.
That’s the westerners who support the Islamic cause!
You are an Islamo-Stalinist, and you want America to be ruled by Muslims.
Comment by Mr. President
So that I can never again spend time in those unislamic bars I frequent…
And are you drinking Sterno?
July 5th, 2007 at 11:07 pmComment by barfly — July 5, 2007 @ 11:07 pm
Why would you try to say that if let them get their way, everything will be fine?
You are Pro-Muslim and you don’t even know it then.
July 5th, 2007 at 11:09 pmMr Pres,
July 5th, 2007 at 11:09 pmThey never have an explanation for the 7th Century Jihad!
They didn’t even know about iyt!
That’s why when they start with their anti-Israel and crusader Islamists propaganda I through the 7th Century Jihad at them.
It destroys all other arguments as it’s the origin of all our problems!
“An Islamo-Stalinist aka Leftist-Dhimmi or Neo-Nazi’s.
That’s the westerners who support the Islamic cause!”
Comment by The Joker
So you know all the buzz words that give neocons a woody. It means nothing but wasted keystrokes.
July 5th, 2007 at 11:09 pmbarfly,
July 5th, 2007 at 11:10 pmWhy do you alwqays defend the Islamic casuse but attack fellow Americans?
Your a Muslim supporter!
barfly,
July 5th, 2007 at 11:11 pmNeocon are also Pro-Muslim.
They believe Muslims can live in Democracy.
Thanks for reminding me about them.
I’ll add them to my Pro-Muslim list!
The Joker,
Mahomet was always pro-violence against everyone who was not his follower.
Muslims have not changed, they are told to be violent from the day they are born. They stole Israel and a lot of Africa and some of Europe, but these Lefty apologists don’t even know about that, and they still make excuses why we should let them get their way!
July 5th, 2007 at 11:11 pmThe Joker,
I didn’t think of that. Good point! Maybe Bush should move to Saudi Arabia.
I wonder if you can rent a U-Haul boat to Saudi Arabia.
July 5th, 2007 at 11:11 pmIt destroys all other arguments as it’s the origin of all our problems!
Comment by The Joker
That would be Reagan’s arming the terrorists, thereby showing “the islamists” how cowardly and two-faced he was. That’s the boneheaded move that set the stage for all that has happened in Iraq.
July 5th, 2007 at 11:13 pmMr. Pres,
July 5th, 2007 at 11:13 pmNotice their silence when I mention the 7th Century Jihad!
One post does not a proof make dipshit. So Ahmadinejad does not appear to be a genocidal maniac because he hasn’t killed all Iran’s jews – and that’s your complete argument for what?:
Remember you need to prove:
1. Only Leftists and the Neo-Nazis support the ZIslamists.
2. You’re a liar.
3. In post after post you always take the Pro-Muslim position.
TerrytheTurtle ,
Post 215 you were defending Ahmadinejad!
Comment by The Joker — July 5, 2007 @ 11:04 pm
And here I likened him to the American Taleban – hardly a defense, eh, pen*s breath?
2. Ahmadinejad is ideologically opposed to traditional social democracy so its hard for him to be a ‘hero of the left’ – his ideology is closer to Regents University than to social democracy.
You are not doing very well so far… try again.
July 5th, 2007 at 11:14 pmJoker > you were supposed to be in bed by 10PM tonight, so your mom is pissed off and your father might spank your bottom red for it > lol.
July 5th, 2007 at 11:14 pmThe Joker,
July 5th, 2007 at 11:15 pmWhen you mentioned the 7th century jihad,
burqa-fly changed the subject and BLAMED AMERICA!!!
“Why do you alwqays defend the Islamic casuse but attack fellow Americans?
Your a Muslim supporter!”
Comment by The Joker
And that isn’t a bad thing. I’m also a christian supporter, when they do the right thing. Your tawdry claims have no basis in reality.
July 5th, 2007 at 11:15 pmbarfly,
July 5th, 2007 at 11:16 pmHow about the Jihad of the 7th Century.
I see the silence in that.
I love your bashing of Reagan and defence of the Mulsims.
A true Dhimmi, you must defend your masters!
Mr. Pres,
Notice their silence when I mention the 7th Century Jihad!
Comment by The Joker — July 5, 2007 @ 11:13 pm
Not exactly a worthy discussion, unless you want to talk about the Age of Exploration – you know, Pizarro, Sheridan, cholera-filled blankets, etc etc. The difference is that you can’t see that religious fanatics have called on their God to justify their horrific behavior all through history. It is the absence of fanaticism that guarantees peace.
July 5th, 2007 at 11:17 pmMr. Pres,
Notice their silence when I mention the 7th Century Jihad!
Comment by The Joker
Because it is not relevant.
Joker, Mr President is using you. He has no real respect for you.
July 5th, 2007 at 11:18 pmWow. President Reagans NSA chief wants us to IMPEACH BUSH>
cool.
July 5th, 2007 at 11:18 pmWhen you mentioned the 7th century jihad,
burqa-fly changed the subject and BLAMED AMERICA!!!
Comment by Mr. President
No, I blamed Reagan. Only those who put party over country would conflate a true statement about Reagan into a generalized hatred of america. But it’s par for the course for cowards like you two.
July 5th, 2007 at 11:18 pm3. In post after post you always take the Pro-Muslim position.
Hey Joker, since my post #215 notes Ahmadinejad is not a genocidal maniac (supportive) and my post #271 notes that I think he is a religious authoritarian (not supportive), just like Pat Robertson and the American Christo-fascists, I guess we need to call the firefighters to put out your pants. Where shall we send them?
July 5th, 2007 at 11:20 pmZooey,
It has everything to do with it.
That is when Muslims waged jihads that would eventually force the Europeans to start the crusades.
How dare you say that I am using The Joker!
At first I didn’t understand everything he was saying, but then I noticed that we agreed on a lot of things. Like the Muslim problems and the supreme court decisions.
July 5th, 2007 at 11:21 pmI love your bashing of Reagan and defence of the Mulsims.
A true Dhimmi, you must defend your masters!
Comment by The Joker
If you “love it,” why does it upset you so much? Too bad you can’t handle the truth about the traitorous Reagan. Poor little child, I’ll quit bashing your fairy-tale hero, now.
July 5th, 2007 at 11:21 pmComment by Mr. President — July 5, 2007 @ 11:21 pm
It is not relevant. Nobody “forced” the Europeans to do shit!
You are using him, just like you’re using CT. I’ve been observing your patterns.
July 5th, 2007 at 11:23 pmtariqalturtle,
Yiou are supporting Ahmadineajad!
HENCE YOUR A LIAR!
wHY DO YOU lEFTISTS MAKES EXCUSES FOR HIM?
I like how you attack Westen civ, but defend Muslims!
You just keep proving me right!
Burqafly,
July 5th, 2007 at 11:24 pmYou are blamimg America.
It’s always Muslims are good and america is bad!
“barfly,
How about the Jihad of the 7th Century.”
How about the Children’s Crusade?
Google that, and see for yourself what blind allegiance to Christianity gets you, before ragging on muslims.
July 5th, 2007 at 11:24 pmWhere do you get sh!t like this? What utter nonsense.
And what are you talking about by some 7th century Jihad. That too is nonsense. It was in the 7th century that civil society began to reassert itself from the rubble of the Roman Empire. Charlemagne recreated the Holy Roman Empire, but I don’t see you dissing him.
The Caliphs who had the new moral foundation of the Koran didn’t need to do much conquoring with the sword. Arabia, Egypt, North Africa, Southern Italy, Turkey, and Spain were pretty much without any government or law.
The Caliphs who unified the Southern side of the Mediterranean restored water wells, built bridges & roads, and brought law & order. It’s just racism to look well upon the likes of Charlemagne but find the Caliphs to be bloodthirsty Jihadists. The truth is that the expansion of the Caliphate was swift and wide because there was a power vacuum and a great need for good government.
July 5th, 2007 at 11:24 pmZooey,
July 5th, 2007 at 11:25 pmIt is relevant!!!
Muslims started the jihads BEFORE the crusades!!!
That means whenever they claim that Westerners started things, the are lying!!!
I’m not using anybody.
barqafly,
July 5th, 2007 at 11:25 pmHow about Clinton bombimng Serbia on behalf of the Al-Qaeda backed KLA.
Care to discuss that?
I know, you’ll bash Reagan but defend the Muslims.
You keep proving my point!
“You keep proving my point!”
Comment by The Joker
You do that yourself, every time you put on a hat.
July 5th, 2007 at 11:28 pmTerrythe dhimmi,
That means you’re either
A)Neo-Nazi
B)Islamo-Stalinist aka Dhimmi
which is it?
Comment by The Joker — July 5, 2007 @ 11:05 pm
Actually, neither. I don’t support collective property ownership, Sharia Law or the extermination of the Jews. I guess I must be a turtle. You, however appear to be a tool, and you are not funny – why Joker?
July 5th, 2007 at 11:28 pmdavid the dhimmi,
July 5th, 2007 at 11:28 pmYou are so ignorant about history!!!
You have no idea about the true history behind the crusades!!!
Your moronic assertions are laughable!!!
david the dhimmi,
AAAAHHHHahHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
That was the funniest thing I have ever read!!!!!!!!!!!!!
July 5th, 2007 at 11:30 pm“Your moronic assertions are laughable!!!”
Comment by Mr. President
And… I am crushing your head!!!
July 5th, 2007 at 11:30 pmdavid,
Just caught you in a historical lie!
“The Caliphs who had the new moral foundation of the Koran didn’t need to do much conquoring with the sword. Arabia, Egypt, North Africa, Southern Italy, Turkey, and Spain were pretty much without any government or law.”
The Jihad of the 7th century was gainst the Eastern Roman Empire based in Constantinople.
At that time they had control over Syria, Egypt, North Africa and the visisgoths ruled Spain in their names.
The Muslims attacked the Romans at the battle of Yramuk in 636.
They then procedd to conquere Roman provinces.
Charlemagn was a fraud.
he had no claim over the Roman throne as the Empror was ruling in Constantinople.
He was a French Warlord
“The Caliphs who unified the Southern side of the Mediterranean restored water wells, built bridges & roads, and brought law & order.”
The Roman provinces already had roads, bridges, wells and law$order you liar!
Islam was spread through conquest!
Read this you ignorant fool!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_conquests
July 5th, 2007 at 11:31 pmtariqalturtle,
Yiou are supporting Ahmadineajad!
HENCE YOUR A LIAR!
wHY DO YOU lEFTISTS MAKES EXCUSES FOR HIM?
I like how you attack Westen civ, but defend Muslims!
You just keep proving me right!
Oops Jerker, you missed post #309. Or maybe you are typing poorly because of your flaming pants. Please let us help you. When you have stopped p*ssing your pants in excitement or a vain attempt to put out the fire which is consuming them, we can talk about the 7th century if you like. Until then,,…. well 911, make the call.
July 5th, 2007 at 11:31 pmZooey,
It is relevant!!!
Muslims started the jihads BEFORE the crusades!!!
That means whenever they claim that Westerners started things, the are lying!!!
I’m not using anybody.
Comment by Mr. President
It is not relevant to today’s situation, and you know it.
You are a user.
July 5th, 2007 at 11:32 pm“Read this you ignorant fool!”
And this has relevence to the thread because…
July 5th, 2007 at 11:32 pmDavid,
July 5th, 2007 at 11:33 pmyou just got in a lie.
Read history and them come discuss the Islamic conquests.
Like a true Muslim supporter you belive in lies not historical facts!
Muslims started the jihads BEFORE the crusades!!!
Comment by Mr. President
Using your own lagic, blame your f*cking GOD. He allegedly created the world and started all these problems.
BLAME GOD!!
July 5th, 2007 at 11:33 pmburqafly,
July 5th, 2007 at 11:35 pmdavid the dhimmi just lied about history.
I want him to read about the Islmic Jihad.
he claims there was no government.
That’s a lie.
The Romans still contolled musch of the area.
Thgey onl;y had lost France, Britian and part of Italy.
The Empire was still mostly intact before the Jihad of the 7th Century.
he just lied and and I proved it!
That means he’s a Muslim supporter!
Sorry, Mistress Z~ you missed an ell, as in…
July 5th, 2007 at 11:35 pm“You are a luser.”
barfly,
david was the one who brought up the lies, scroll up and see what his posts.
July 5th, 2007 at 11:36 pmSorry, Mistress Z~ you missed an ell, as in…
“You are a luser.â€
Comment by RUCerious
Heh. Good one, RUC.
Or as the trolls say, “You are a looser.”
Idiots.
July 5th, 2007 at 11:37 pmDavid the Dhimmi,
Where are you Muslim supporter?
Go move to a Muslim country since you love them so much and spew their lies?
What about the Roman Empire based in Constantinople?
What ares did they rukle before the Muslim invasions?
Here’s a map.
http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/maps/600eur.jpg
No government right?
July 5th, 2007 at 11:39 pmYou liar!
Mr. President,
July 5th, 2007 at 11:40 pmSee David the Dhimmi is not responding!
I sent him links to maps and articles of the Muslim conquest.
Do you think he’s just brainwashed or a Muslim agent spewing lies?
Mr President, stop doing this to The Joker. It’s wrong.
July 5th, 2007 at 11:42 pmMr. President,
July 5th, 2007 at 11:43 pmSee Jerker is not responding!
I sent him links to my comments where I did not support a Muslim position.
Do you think he’s just brainwashed or a Christofascist agent whose pant are on fire?
Zooey,
July 5th, 2007 at 11:43 pmWhere’s David?
Notice he ran like a coward after I exposed his lies!
The Joker,
It is hard to tell, he seems like a brainwashed PC Muslim-Lover to me, but he is definitely spewing lies.
I told him about the true history of Islamic violence and Imperial conquests BEFORE the crusades and he didn’t know what I was talking about.
He is a brainwashed idiot, or a muslim loving liar.
July 5th, 2007 at 11:44 pmComment by TerrytheTurtle — July 5, 2007 @ 11:43 pm
You tried to support ace, why?
July 5th, 2007 at 11:45 pmTerry I’m here.
July 5th, 2007 at 11:45 pmI’ve exposed you as an apologist for Ahmadinejad.
Do you have his T-Shirt yet!
I heard it’s very trendy!
The Romans still contolled musch of the area.
Thgey onl;y had lost France, Britian and part of Italy.
The Empire was still mostly intact before the Jihad of the 7th Century.
he just lied and and I proved it!
That means he’s a Muslim supporter!
Comment by The Joker — July 5, 2007 @ 11:35 pm
Where I was educated, serious students of history, wouldn’t yell “you’re a LIAR!” if an element of history was contentitious or a subject of debate. They also wouldn’t make unsubstantiated personal attacks or leap to wild conclusions like “brainwashed muslim agent”…..
I guess the Joker should be taken at his word, he’s not a serious person.
July 5th, 2007 at 11:46 pmMr President,
July 5th, 2007 at 11:47 pmNotice I mentioned events and the political siyuation at the time of the 7th Century Jihad!
He’s gone.
I’v e exposed him and Tariq!
Zooey,
Where’s David?
Notice he ran like a coward after I exposed his lies!
Comment by The Joker
Joker,
He probably has a family he wants to spend time with. Or he had to go to bed because he has to work in the morning.
July 5th, 2007 at 11:48 pmComment by TerrytheTurtle — July 5, 2007 @ 11:43 pm
You tried to support ace, why?
Comment by Mr. President — July 5, 2007 @ 11:45 pm
To a point. Only to a point. He went off the rails after a while…. no need to follow suit.
Joker: still waiting for you to prove jack sh*t. Well I’m not actually, since your assertion was disproven before you made it.
July 5th, 2007 at 11:49 pmTariqthedhimmi,
“Where I was educated, serious students of history, wouldn’t yell “you’re a LIAR!†if an element of history was contentitious or a subject of debate. ”
It’s not a matter of debate.
It’s a fact.
The Muslims attacked the eastern Roman Empire!
Look at the map!
The Romans controlled Syria, Egypt and North Africa.
He said there was no government.
He lied.
He said the Roman Empire had crumbled.
he lied.
He lied!
July 5th, 2007 at 11:49 pmThere’s no arguing over historical facts.
But like a good Dhimmi you deny them as well.
He is a brainwashed idiot, or a muslim loving liar.
Comment by Mr. President — July 5, 2007 @ 11:44 pm
For shame…..see what you do?
July 5th, 2007 at 11:50 pmJoker – are you Exley? This is very Exley – fire off a couple of foaming rants, get yourself snotted by a reasonable rebuttal and then spend the rest of the thread wanking yourself off.
July 5th, 2007 at 11:50 pmZooey,
July 5th, 2007 at 11:50 pmNotice he left after I exposed his lies!
I mention historical facts, he never answered.
He knows he got caught in a lie!
Tariqthedhimmi,
July 5th, 2007 at 11:52 pmYou defended Ahmadinejad.
You still don’t admit it.
You have posted may times defending the Iranian regime.
You’re just a hack for the Muslims.
Dismissed go with your friend david and keep believing Muslim lies!
Zooey,
Notice he left after I exposed his lies!
I mention historical facts, he never answered.
He knows he got caught in a lie!
Comment by The Joker
Your facts may be historical, but that does not mean they are relevant today.
David does not live his life by this blog or your demands.
July 5th, 2007 at 11:54 pmTerry,
There was nothing contentious in what I said. But david still denied it.
Even The Captain said:
“David, what you know is revisionist history. No offense.
Comment by The Captain — July 5, 2007 @ 10:19 pm”
He came on here and spouted lies just like ace does. All that The Joker did was call him out.
July 5th, 2007 at 11:55 pmI love arguing with Leftards about Islam.
July 5th, 2007 at 11:55 pmYiou’re all so naive about this subject!
It’s the Left’s weakness in their intellectual thought.
Leftists will defend Muslims to the end, even if it means defending Ilsamic lies.
Luckily the Right is too scared to go after the Left’s support support of Islam!
When my dad came home from work and my brother and I were fighting, he didn’t care who started it. He just wanted to put a stop to the fighting.
July 5th, 2007 at 11:56 pmHe came on here and spouted lies just like ace does. All that The Joker did was call him out.
Comment by Mr. President
The Captain is brainless, and you know it. You are using him for your own ends.
July 5th, 2007 at 11:56 pmThe Joker, you don’t seem to read your own sources. The Byzantine Empire was imploding at the beginning of the 7th century. There was civil war and open revolt in all the provinces.
Mohammed united the Arabs, who had been oppressed by the Byzantines. It was relatively easy to take the weak Persian Empire and most of the provinces of the rather corrupt and bickering Byzantine Empire.
I’m glad you recognized that the Western Empire was defunct. But I’m perplexed at your dismissal of Charlemagne as he’s the man who defines your Western Values. Well, you don’t really have any Values, do you, The Joker?
July 5th, 2007 at 11:57 pmZooey,
July 5th, 2007 at 11:57 pmThe origin of today’s problems lies with islam.
If the Romans and Persians had crushed Islam there would be less war and a more peaceful world.
David came here and lied.
I exposed his lies.
he’s a loser!
When my dad came home from work and my brother and I were fighting, he didn’t care who started it. He just wanted to put a stop to the fighting.
Comment by Egreggious
Maybe you can work some of your dad’s magic?
July 5th, 2007 at 11:57 pmThe Joker,
July 5th, 2007 at 11:58 pmThe funny thing is that they haven’t even studied it or learned about it, all they know is what they have been told by apologists!
They have no idea about the brainwashing in most Islamic countries, if they did they would know that Muslims are told to hate them!
There’s no arguing over historical facts.
Comment by The Joker — July 5, 2007 @ 11:49 pm
Naive.
And I’m going to do a David, so don’t bother looking for me.
July 5th, 2007 at 11:58 pmZooey,
The origin of today’s problems lies with islam.
If the Romans and Persians had crushed Islam there would be less war and a more peaceful world.
David came here and lied.
I exposed his lies.
he’s a loser!
Comment by The Joker
I’m sorry Joker, I don’t agree. The US has created it’s own problems separate from Islam by our policies in this world. We are responsible for ourselves and our behavior.
July 5th, 2007 at 11:59 pmdavid the Dhimmi,
Mahomet UNITED the arabs!!!!!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!
More like he destroyed their place of worship and threatened to slaughter them all if they did not follow him!!!
What kind of propaganda have you been reading?!!!!!!!!!!!
July 6th, 2007 at 12:00 amThe funny thing is that they haven’t even studied it or learned about it, all they know is what they have been told by apologists!
They have no idea about the brainwashing in most Islamic countries, if they did they would know that Muslims are told to hate them!
Comment by Mr. President
Shame on you, Mr President. It doesn’t matter what Muslims are told, it matters how we conduct ourselves in the world.
July 6th, 2007 at 12:01 amDavid,
Just caught you again!
“Mohammed united the Arabs, who had been oppressed by the Byzantines. ”
The Romans(Byzantines) never controlled Arabia!
Ha look at the map!
“It was relatively easy to take the weak Persian Empire and most of the provinces of the rather corrupt and bickering Byzantine Empire.”
The Romans and Persians just finished fighting a 20 year war!
they were both weak.
However the Romans and Persiansd putted up a fight.
I just read my sources and you lie!
“There was civil war and open revolt in all the provinces.”
July 6th, 2007 at 12:02 amNo there wasn’t!
Zooey,
July 6th, 2007 at 12:04 amIt does matter.
They are told that YOU are evil and they would have no problem killing you because you do not cover your hair. The are told that the koran commands them to use what ever means necessary to spread Islam, even if it means to suicide bomb innocent non-Muslims.
Well Exley, it’s been fun…. enjoy the 7th century. I’m sure you could enjoy a serious discussion of the to and fro of early Christian and Muslim history if you could get your blood pressure down and put your pants out.
July 6th, 2007 at 12:04 am“I’m perplexed at your dismissal of Charlemagne as he’s the man who defines your Western Values”
The real Emperor was in Constantinople!
Chalemagne was a french warlord.
The Pope crowned him Emperor because a Femail Irene was in charge in Constantinople.
If the Muslims had not attacked the Romans, they would’ve recovered and eventually reconquer the Lomabrd controlled parts of Italy, France and maybe Britian.
July 6th, 2007 at 12:06 amI don’t called them Byzantines since that’s a French term.
They were the Romans.
Hence the Roman Empire still existed in the 7th Century.
You said it didn’t.
You lied!
I’m sorry, a little late to the conversation…. did the AYrabs come here and occupy OUR country and kill millions of our citizens while I was at work? Are we blaming the Romans for something now? What happened to Bill? Catch me up, someone.
July 6th, 2007 at 12:08 amDavid,
July 6th, 2007 at 12:08 amI thought you said the Roman Empire didn’t exist?
Why are you Pro-Muslim?
Would you support a Muslim invasion of America?
Zooey,
It does matter.
They are told that YOU are evil and they would have no problem killing you because you do not cover your hair. The are told that the koran commands them to use what ever means necessary to spread Islam, even if it means to suicide bomb innocent non-Muslims.
Comment by Mr. President
And YOU are just like them, and worse. Trying to spread fear and hatred, as if we have no means of protecting ourselves, and we are mindless sheep. You may live your life in fear and disgust, and use people to your heart’s content, but I will have none of it. AND I will never be forced to convert to Islam or any other religion.
July 6th, 2007 at 12:09 amI’m sorry, a little late to the conversation…. did the AYrabs come here and occupy OUR country and kill millions of our citizens while I was at work? Are we blaming the Romans for something now? What happened to Bill? Catch me up, someone.
Comment by marlow
Isn’t this amazing? And ridiculous?
July 6th, 2007 at 12:10 ammarlow,
July 6th, 2007 at 12:10 amThe whole Western-Muslim conflict began in the 7th Century when the Muslims invaded the Roman Empire.
Had the Romans won, there would be less conflict!
Islam is a religion of Conquest.
It must be stopped!
The best way to stop it is too use Alternative Enrgy, freeze all Muslims’ assets and deport Muslims.
Let’s cut them off and see them starve and kill each other!
David is now searching Muslim websites to see how to spin their propaganda!
July 6th, 2007 at 12:11 am#28
Great rant Gerald but…
Few are going to take to the streets over the travesties of this war or presidency for that matter. I’ve been there amongst the few whom have. Got tired of being outnumbered and shouted down by ditto-head types incited to counter rally by their local AM reightwing stations. I’ve been called every “smearâ€name the reighties thunk up-the least of them being coward. (More on that in a minute.) I’m sure the FBI et al didn’t take all those pictures for nothing either. He!! even Cindy Sheehan gave up taking to the streets and she lost a son.
Why are people not outraged to the point of public outcry? Because what goes on doesn’t seem to affect them personally. No family in the military equals no stake in it. Those with family in the military hope in vain that BushCo is doing the right thing to the point they’ll swallow any sunshine story the think tanks dream up. Same goes with the “love America†“patriotic†types hypnotized with an image of America for the good of all. (My only explanation for the success of faux news.)
This administration is crooked to the point of comedy if it wasn’t so tragic. Average Joe doesn’t care much because they don’t “feel†the effects. (Unless they have suffered economically of course.) Most folks I work amongst pay little attention to politics. They got a pretty good idea that Bush is a criminal but “heck…all politicians are crooked are they not?†“Nothing I can do about itâ€.
Yes people need to hit the streets. But what could make that happen?
Few will dispute that the military is suffering from a severe lack of manpower. Tour extensions and other factors are taking its toll on our forces…big time. I wish it weren’t so but America needs a strong military right?
This brings up the point of cowardice. Why hasn’t Bush called for a reinstatement of the draft when the military so desperately needs one? I say he’s scared to death of the political repercussions. As well he should be. Could you imagine the people in the streets if he were to do so? I believe that Bush is a yellow spine coward for not utilizing the draft to re-man the military. I would like to see him asked why he hasn’t resorted to a draft then watch him squirm with an answer.
Wanna end this war? Reinstate the draft!
July 6th, 2007 at 12:13 amWell, I don’t consider myself an historian, but wer’e talking about the Eastern Roman Empire, right? My understanding is that Rome, per se, fell a few hundred years prior, right? Goths, Vandals and assorted other barbarians?
July 6th, 2007 at 12:17 amI’m sorry to say, The Joker, but you are wrong. Try checking out the names of the Eastern Roman Emperors or Byzantine Emperors for the period you think you understand. Phocas is a central figure, and he comes to an unpleasant end. And yes, it’s hard not to describe the need use of troops to put down rebellions east and west as civil war.
I think you need to take a closer look at your map. I’d pay particular attention to the inhabited areas and ignore the deserts. I know, it’s hard when you have to actual pay attention to details; you Rumsfeldian types tend to just wing it.
July 6th, 2007 at 12:17 amWanna end this war? Reinstate the draft!
Comment by Mycelium
Bush has a tur….er, a legacy to polish!
July 6th, 2007 at 12:18 amWell, I don’t consider myself an historian, but wer’e talking about the Eastern Roman Empire, right? My understanding is that Rome, per se, fell a few hundred years prior, right? Goths, Vandals and assorted other barbarians?
Comment by marlow
But apparently they are controlling our actions even today!!
July 6th, 2007 at 12:20 amGood one Zooey!
Don’t really want to see a draft though…just want to hear Bush’s explanation of why not.
July 6th, 2007 at 12:23 amDon’t really want to see a draft though…just want to hear Bush’s explanation of why not.
Comment by Mycelium
Me, too! But don’t hold your breath!
July 6th, 2007 at 12:25 amOf course, if anyone wants to discover a truly bloodthirsty people –not unlike The Joker’s Islamists– just read the first seven or eight books of the Bible. Those Israelites were mighty keen on ethnic cleansing when they entered Canaan.
July 6th, 2007 at 12:25 amdavid ,
Another lie!
The Roman Emperor at the time of the Ilsamic Invasions was Heraclius!
He overthrew Phocas who was losing the war to Pesia!
Heraclius countered attack and defeated the Pesians!
The Empire only had a respite of 10 years to recover before the Jihad.
“And yes, it’s hard not to describe the need use of troops to put down rebellions east and west as civil war.”
What rebellions genious?
The Empire was at peace after Heraclious defeated Persia and before your Jihadi heroes came onto the scene!
As for yor map comments, Mecca and Medina were never Roman possesions!
July 6th, 2007 at 12:27 amThat’s where your hero Mohamad the Dog hating pedophile through conquest and bloodshed united the Arab tribes!
So keep living your Pro-Islamic lies david.
You’re a good Dhimmi!
Romans=Bad
Muslims=Good!
david,
July 6th, 2007 at 12:28 amAh yes David.
The Jews=Bad and the Muslims=good!
Hey how about the Babylonians and Egyptians?
They were a peaceful bunch right David?
I’m searching my memory, trying to think of ANY outside empire or army that ever succeeded in subduing the Middle-east. Not the Egyptians, not he mongols (They ripped it up pretty well, but didn’t stick around very long), Alexander marched through, the Romans camped out for awhile, the British got fairly well bloodied up…
July 6th, 2007 at 12:29 ammarlow,
July 6th, 2007 at 12:31 amThe Romans controlled part of the Middle East for over 630 years.
The Persians controlled the other half.
The Turks controlled the Middle Easst for 500 years.
I’m searching my memory, trying to think of ANY outside empire or army that ever succeeded in subduing the Middle-east. Not the Egyptians, not he mongols (They ripped it up pretty well, but didn’t stick around very long), Alexander marched through, the Romans camped out for awhile, the British got fairly well bloodied up…
Comment by marlow
See how POWERFUL the Muslims are!? They’ve just been waiting for their special moment so swoop down and chop our heads off!
July 6th, 2007 at 12:32 am“Well, I don’t consider myself an historian, but wer’e talking about the Eastern Roman Empire, right? My understanding is that Rome, per se, fell a few hundred years prior, right? Goths, Vandals and assorted other barbarians?”
Not true.
July 6th, 2007 at 12:34 amIn the 6th Century the Roman Emperor Justinain reconquered North Africa from the Vandals and Italy from the Ostrogoths.
The Romansd held onto Carthrage for the next 170 years until the Jihadists took it from them.
The Eastern Empire was a Roman possesion until the 750’s when the Pope rebelled against the Emperor.
So The Romans were still around and took back Rome.
Zooey,
July 6th, 2007 at 12:36 amThe Muslims didn’t appear until the 7th century.
The GGreeks and then the Romansd conquered the Middle East.
The Muslims then kicked out the Romans and have held it since.
Davidthe dhimmi.
July 6th, 2007 at 12:38 amYou are a liar and a Muslim Propagandist.
I’ve disproven you lies and exposed you for the fraud you are!
It’s oK Al-Qaeda’s recruiting!
Zooey,
The Muslims didn’t appear until the 7th century.
The GGreeks and then the Romansd conquered the Middle East.
The Muslims then kicked out the Romans and have held it since.
Comment by The Joker
Ok, I respect your knowledge, Joker.
July 6th, 2007 at 12:40 amThat doesn’t mean they are responsible for our policies in the world.
Not to fear david, the joker’s one of our best operatives.
July 6th, 2007 at 12:41 amZooey,
The Muslims didn’t appear until the 7th century.
The GGreeks and then the Romansd conquered the Middle East.
The Muslims then kicked out the Romans and have held it since.
Comment by The Joker
Conveniently ignoring the Crusades and Outremer, when Europeans ruled the roost in the Middle East for a time. And a more or less completely insane description of history.
I came in late. What the hell does this have to do with anything?
Conquest is a persistent human behavior. It sure as hell isn’t limited to Muslims.
July 6th, 2007 at 12:41 amOf course, if anyone wants to discover a truly bloodthirsty people –not unlike The Joker’s Islamists– just read the first seven or eight books of the Bible. Those Israelites were mighty keen on ethnic cleansing when they entered Canaan.
Comment by david — July 6, 2007 @ 12:25 am
July 6th, 2007 at 12:42 amProof of your Islamo-Stalinism!!!!!
Comment by gummitch — July 6, 2007 @ 12:41 am
Your Pro-Muslim fake history has already been proved wrong.
July 6th, 2007 at 12:43 amAnother thread hijacked. Well done, my minions.
July 6th, 2007 at 12:45 amYour Pro-Muslim fake history has already been proved wrong.
Comment by Mr. President
Oh, look, it’s Ms. P, the one who thinks that Jerusalem is part of Europe.
The only thing you’ve proven is that your education hasn’t gotten past the fourth grade.
Better get the Google and Wikipedia lined up so you can attempt to sound like you have a clue.
July 6th, 2007 at 12:46 amI came in late. What the hell does this have to do with anything?
Conquest is a persistent human behavior. It sure as hell isn’t limited to Muslims.
Comment by gummitch
Thank you, my friend. NOTHING.
Some people can’t admit that maybe Americans can be total f*cks in regard to our policies, so it must be the 7th century Muslims!
July 6th, 2007 at 12:47 amProof of your Islamo-Stalinism!!!!!
Comment by Mr. President
Proof you are a user!!
July 6th, 2007 at 12:49 amAfter WWI and WWII killed about 60 million, someone could have said “all these problems are caused by Christians. Let’s just let them kill each other.”
Does anyone else remember Reagan and GHW Bush’s plan to sell over $1 billion worth of weapons illegally to the terrorist state of Iran under Khomeni? Their plan was cut short when two plane crashes revealed it. “Liberal media” did not want to report on it. Kerry led investigation into it. GHW Bush pardoned those who could have testified against him. Relevant to today?
July 6th, 2007 at 12:52 amHey Zooey,
I didn’t even know Stalin was a Muslim!
July 6th, 2007 at 12:55 amRelevant to today?
Comment by Keith G.
More relevant than frickin’ 7th century Muslims doing whatever!
July 6th, 2007 at 12:56 amW said this was a crusade.
July 6th, 2007 at 12:57 amHey Zooey,
I didn’t even know Stalin was a Muslim!
Comment by Keith G.
Oh yeah, we’re Islamo-Stalinists for sure. Trolls are so damned smart, right?
You should know I’ve had a couple drinks, which a couple too many. Heh.
July 6th, 2007 at 12:58 amW said this was a crusade.
Comment by Keith G.
Shame on him for saying that! He set off the fundies of every flavor!
July 6th, 2007 at 12:59 amti many martooni’s ?
July 6th, 2007 at 1:00 amYou should know I’ve had a couple drinks, which a couple too many. Heh.
Comment by Zooey
Zooey’s not a drinker. Pah. Didn’t even finish her beer.
July 6th, 2007 at 1:01 amI met a traveller from an antique land
Who said: Two vast and trunkless legs of stone
Stand in the desert. Near them on the sand,
Half sunk, a shatter’d visage lies, whose frown
And wrinkled lip and sneer of cold command
Tell that its sculptor well those passions read
Which yet survive, stamp’d on these lifeless things,
The hand that mock’d them and the heart that fed.
And on the pedestal these words appear:
“My name is Cheneymandias, king of kings:
Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair!”
Nothing beside remains: round the decay
Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare,
The lone and level sands stretch far away.
(with apologies to the author)
July 6th, 2007 at 1:02 amyou don’t have to drink to post here, but it helps
July 6th, 2007 at 1:02 amThe Joker or ValianttheHater or whatever handle you’ll be using tomorrow, you’re wikipedia fueled view of history is rather haphazard.
I’m sorry, but the Western Roman Empire fell in 476 and never recovered. The Easter Empire lurched on for another 1000 years, but was never as influential as Rome. Your dear Emperor Heraclius did have a thing about Persia and adopted the Persian handles when he conquored them. He also ditched Latin for Greek and severed ties with the Roman heritage.
Arabia Petraea was a Roman province.
I take it you find the Bible full of lies, do you?
July 6th, 2007 at 1:02 amti many martooni’s ?
Comment by Keith G.
White Zin. I have class. :D
July 6th, 2007 at 1:03 amZooey’s not a drinker. Pah. Didn’t even finish her beer.
Comment by gummitch
I tried! Lucky I didn’t have the Derangment, huh?
July 6th, 2007 at 1:04 amWhich Moscow is this, Zooey? And what is 100 F in Celsius? Thirtysomething???
July 6th, 2007 at 1:06 amI guess the sixteen intelligence agencies of the USA are Islamo-fascist because they say the Iraq War is counter-productive, that we are stirring up a hornet’s nest, opening up Iraq to the fundamentalists, and giving them a great recruiting tool and training ground.
July 6th, 2007 at 1:07 am“You should know I’ve had a couple drinks, which a couple too many. Heh.”
Comment by Zooey — July 6, 2007 @ 12:58 am
A couple-two or a couple-three?:D
July 6th, 2007 at 1:07 amComment by david
The Joker’s history is, well, bizarre. He’s loud, though, you have to give him that.
The troll who calls himself (among other things) Mr. President is the one who has to resort to Wikipedia when challenged. As far as I can tell, he gets his “knowledge” of the Middle Ages, the Crusades, et al from Robin Hood.
July 6th, 2007 at 1:08 amI find the bible full of mythology
July 6th, 2007 at 1:08 amWhich Moscow is this, Zooey? And what is 100 F in Celsius? Thirtysomething???
Comment by david
About 38C.
July 6th, 2007 at 1:10 amZogby Poll Feb 28, 2006 of our troops in Iraq: 72% said ALL troops should be out by Feb 2007. That puts them well to the left of the Democratic leadership. I wonder what the % would have been if 90% of them did not have the false belief that the war was retaliation for Iraq’s role in 9/11?
http://zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=1075
July 6th, 2007 at 1:11 amZooey probably means Moscow Idaho
July 6th, 2007 at 1:13 am38C??? Whoa. That’s hot.
BTW, there’s a great Aussie film called Heatwave with Judy Davis.
July 6th, 2007 at 1:16 amWhich Moscow is this, Zooey? And what is 100 F in Celsius? Thirtysomething???
Comment by david
Keith G wins! Moscow, Idaho and 38C. :)
I shouldn’t drink when it’s hot.
July 6th, 2007 at 1:17 amYou should know I’ve had a couple drinks, which a couple too many. Heh.
Comment by Zooey
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I never doubted it for a second.
July 6th, 2007 at 1:18 amPhoenix Arizona was 115 F yesterday with a six-day forecast of each day over 110. Al was right.
July 6th, 2007 at 1:18 amBTW, there’s a great Aussie film called Heatwave with Judy Davis.
Comment by david
Is there a bad Aussie film with Judy Davis?
July 6th, 2007 at 1:18 amA couple-two or a couple-three?:D
Comment by Jane E. Schneider
Two drink maximum! Of course, they were served in one gallon buckets, but that’s merely a detail.
Isn’t it cool how I can still type? That’s how brainless it is.
July 6th, 2007 at 1:19 amComment by gummitch — July 6, 2007 @ 1:08 am
I never use wikipedia you moron, and I never claimed that Jerusalem was part of Europe! It’s hard for you Lefties to interact in the real world isn’t it?
July 6th, 2007 at 1:19 amI’m an atheist, maybe there is a god…nah, I am not that stupid.
July 6th, 2007 at 1:19 amI’ve lived in Van Nuys California when it would hit 118 F plus smog alerts. We’d have a softball game with beer and it would really hit you!!!
July 6th, 2007 at 1:20 amI never doubted it for a second.
Comment by The Captain
I started drinking after you left, pervert, so hush.
July 6th, 2007 at 1:20 amIsn’t it cool how I can still type? That’s how brainless it is.
Comment by Zooey — July 6, 2007 @ 1:19 am
Perhaps that is not really the word you had in mind, since it clearly does not apply to you. :) (And Jane would agree!)
July 6th, 2007 at 1:21 am“I started drinking after you left, pervert, so hush.”
The Captain is back, so you can put down the booze.
July 6th, 2007 at 1:21 amComment by gummitch — July 6, 2007 @ 1:08 am
July 6th, 2007 at 1:21 amTypical Lefty Arrogance.
I take it you find the Bible full of lies, do you?
Comment by david — July 6, 2007 @ 1:02 am
The Joker makes a fool out of you so you change the topic to the bible?
You Lefties just don’t learn do you?
July 6th, 2007 at 1:23 amIf you look up arrogant in the dictionary, you see a picture of W and Cheney
July 6th, 2007 at 1:23 amI’ve lived in Van Nuys California when it would hit 118 F plus smog alerts. We’d have a softball game with beer and it would really hit you!!!
Comment by Keith G.
Mad dogs and Van Nuys guys….
July 6th, 2007 at 1:23 amMr President and The Captain and The Joker should all join a chatroom as they seem to have no friends.
Isn’t it sad that these nasty types from high school remain bitter throughout life? And no wiser either.
July 6th, 2007 at 1:25 amPerhaps that is not really the word you had in mind, since it clearly does not apply to you. :) (And Jane would agree!)
Comment by Wayne A. Schneider
Not brainless — autopilot. :)
I could type an entire brief (which are not brief by any sense of the word) and have no idea what it said. It’s how I kept my sanity in the legal world!
July 6th, 2007 at 1:25 amSorry Zooey, I had to take the dog out for his business. Now, I understand that the Seljuq Turks did not always occupy Asia Minor, but actually migrated there from deeper within the Middle-East. And the Persians were in, well, Persia, within the Middle-East, so they wouldn’t be considered empires which conquered from the outside, right? I’m interested to hear the Romans endured beyond the fifth century (Gibbon dates the fall at 476) but it must have been a pretty shoddy operation, huh?
July 6th, 2007 at 1:26 amTypical Lefty Arrogance.
Comment by Mr. President
Pot meet kettle.
*yawn*
July 6th, 2007 at 1:27 amThe Captain is back, so you can put down the booze.
Comment by The Captain
Eat shit and die.
July 6th, 2007 at 1:28 amMuslimShiteaters ™
July 6th, 2007 at 1:28 amI could type an entire brief (which are not brief by any sense of the word) and have no idea what it said. It’s how I kept my sanity in the legal world!
Comment by Zooey — July 6, 2007 @ 1:25 am
I know what you mean. I’ve had entire conversations and not known what I’ve said.
July 6th, 2007 at 1:28 am“If you look up arrogant in the dictionary, you see a picture of W and Cheney”
That’s not so bad.
July 6th, 2007 at 1:28 am“Eat shit and die.”
The Captain doesn’t like this type of talk.
July 6th, 2007 at 1:29 amI’m interested to hear the Romans endured beyond the fifth century (Gibbon dates the fall at 476) but it must have been a pretty shoddy operation, huh?
Comment by marlow
Oh absolutely!
*snort*
July 6th, 2007 at 1:30 amI should have said that the 118F and the softball were not the same day.
July 6th, 2007 at 1:30 amI know what you mean. I’ve had entire conversations and not known what I’ve said.
Comment by Wayne A. Schneider
I know the feeling….
July 6th, 2007 at 1:30 amThe Captain doesn’t like this type of talk.
Comment by The Captain
If you were my Dad, I would care.
July 6th, 2007 at 1:31 amWell, all the fuss about the Caliphate has to do with an absurd attempt to deny the legitimacy of the Arab World –something Edward Gibbon found very impressive, more impressive than Christian Europe.
The bizarre hope of Byzantium is an attempt to create some sort of tradition of Western Values –although I find it dubious to use the compass this way as most Europeans would refer to Byzantium as the Orient.
The truth is that the Byzantine Empire was corrupt and provided bad government. The Caliphate, by comparison, was very modern and sophisticated. But as far as bloodthirsty goes, they were not the villains that the warmongers in the White House want us to see. Islamo- this or that is just plain absurd.
July 6th, 2007 at 1:35 amDavid, do you know the difference between a Suni and Shia muslim?
July 6th, 2007 at 1:36 amIf you were my Dad, I would care.
Comment by Zooey
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I like you better sober.
;)
July 6th, 2007 at 1:37 amdavid the dhimmi,
You are either a Muslim propagandizer or you are very ignorant…
or you have been brainwashed.
In any case, your assertions are absurd.
July 6th, 2007 at 1:39 amI like you better sober.
Comment by The Captain
You behave like a pervert, and you don’t get my best side.
Just sayin’
July 6th, 2007 at 1:39 amThe Captain, do you know the difference between Protestant and Catholic?
July 6th, 2007 at 1:39 amI could type an entire brief (which are not brief by any sense of the word) and have no idea what it said. It’s how I kept my sanity in the legal world!
Comment by Zooey — July 6, 2007 @ 1:25 am
I know what you mean. I’ve had entire conversations and not known what I’ve said.
Comment by Wayne A. Schneider
I used to be a stage actor. Sometimes you would have performances that would drag on and on..
but other times, they were few, you would be waiting backstage for the lights to go down, going thru whatever routine you used to get ready to go on, and then …
curtain call. It was all gone. As if you hadn’t been there. And they were the ones you did it for.
i don’t know if thats what you were talking about.
July 6th, 2007 at 1:41 am“You behave like a pervert, and you don’t get my best side.”
Which side is that?
July 6th, 2007 at 1:42 amDavid, do you know the difference between a Suni and Shia muslim?
Comment by The Captain — July 6, 2007 @ 1:36 am
I’ll take this one for you david.
Yes, Sunnis want to give us hugs and put flowers in our hair, while the Shia on the other hand want to let us have their innovative technology.
That’s what your textbook says, right david?
July 6th, 2007 at 1:42 amI think the pro-bush posters are ARROGANT if they think they know more about the Iraq situation than General Odom. He says cut funds, withdraw and impeach. Sorry to leave the 7th century.
July 6th, 2007 at 1:43 amComment by willyloman — July 6, 2007 @ 1:41 am
Sort of, except sometimes I kind of needed to know what went on. Yet I don’t remember being there.
But it’s very, very late for me, and I do still have to go to work in the morning, so, Good night to all, and Peace on Earth.
July 6th, 2007 at 1:44 amI think the reason these trolls are pushing this past 400 posts is because Reagan’s NSA chief said “Withdraw funds, pull out, and impeach”.
This whole bullsh!t about 7th century Jihad is about trying to cast Islam as the seven headed dragon so that the Christian Right will remain true to the 21st century Christian Holy War against the AntiChrist.
July 6th, 2007 at 1:44 amcurtain call. It was all gone. As if you hadn’t been there. And they were the ones you did it for.
i don’t know if thats what you were talking about.
Comment by willyloman
It wasn’t that profound or important, willyloman.
I think mine was sheer boredom.
I’m done with the law, and it’s done with me. :)
July 6th, 2007 at 1:45 am“Good night to all, and Peace on Earth.”
Good night, my friend.
-Cap
July 6th, 2007 at 1:46 amGoodnight, Wayne!
July 6th, 2007 at 1:46 amdavid that was just about the stupidest fukcing thing I have ever heard.
July 6th, 2007 at 1:47 amI’m on the central coast of California, currently 56F with predicted high tomorrow of 69F. This place has the most moderate temperatures imaginable. Thought I’d make everyone feel bad.
July 6th, 2007 at 1:48 amThat’s what your textbook says, right david?
Comment by Mr. President
More of that old “education as liberal brainwashing” slant? Come on now Mr. President. You can do better than that old chestnut. that “wise old blue collar hero” crap went out of style with the General Lee. Even us blue collar guys can read, nowadays. Textbooks aren’t evil anymore.
You really need some new slogans
July 6th, 2007 at 1:48 amI think the pro-bush posters are ARROGANT if they think they know more about the Iraq situation than General Odom. He says cut funds, withdraw and impeach. Sorry to leave the 7th century.
Comment by Keith G.
This whole bullsh!t about 7th century Jihad is about trying to cast Islam as the seven headed dragon so that the Christian Right will remain true to the 21st century Christian Holy War against the AntiChrist.
Comment by david
See? Y’all make sense, but that scares off the bedwetters!
July 6th, 2007 at 1:48 amWhat??? You don’t read your own posts???
July 6th, 2007 at 1:49 amI’m on the central coast of California, currently 56F with predicted high tomorrow of 69F. This place has the most moderate temperatures imaginable. Thought I’d make everyone feel bad.
Comment by Keith G.
I never really liked you, Keith G. :P
It’s 72 degrees here!
July 6th, 2007 at 1:50 amdavid that was just about the stupidest fukcing thing I have ever heard.
Comment by Mr. President
You ever heard W try to complete a sentence?
July 6th, 2007 at 1:50 am“It’s 72 degrees here!”
That’s perfect weather.
July 6th, 2007 at 1:51 amWait until tomorrow Zooey
July 6th, 2007 at 1:51 amGoodnight, all!
July 6th, 2007 at 1:52 amThat’s perfect weather.
Comment by The Captain
Why do you keep talking to me?
July 6th, 2007 at 1:53 amYou ever heard W try to complete a sentence?
Comment by Keith G
I mean when he is not reading something his writers wrote for him.
July 6th, 2007 at 1:53 amI don’t know. It’s like that episode of Seinfeld where the girl hates George so much he couldn’t resist it.
July 6th, 2007 at 1:54 amdavid that was just about the stupidest fukcing thing I have ever heard.
Comment by Mr. President
“misunderestimated”
July 6th, 2007 at 1:54 am“practice their love on women all across this country”
“bring em on”
“major combat operations in Iraq…”
Wait until tomorrow Zooey
Comment by Keith G.
“Only” 95 tomorrow! :)
When I lived in the Bay Area, we would die at 95. Hell I’m not dead. Heh.
July 6th, 2007 at 1:54 amSlEeP WElL YOu MuSlIM-LoVINg TRAiTOR,
REmEMbER david, Jesus STiLl LOvES yOU!
†
July 6th, 2007 at 1:55 amThe brain dead Bush cult followers are very carefully tiptoeing around the fact that Reagan’s own NSA man mentioned the i-word and Bush in the same sentence.
They cannot muster enough brain power to understand how a Reagan high-ranking officer could even think of uttering the i-word in reference to their Dear (mis)Leader.
Clue for you trolls: You belong to the exclusive club of the ever-shrinking, dumber-than-a-rock 26%ers blind Bush followers.
I almost feel sorry for you. Almost. Not quite.
July 6th, 2007 at 1:55 am“misunderestimatedâ€
“practice their love on women all across this countryâ€
“bring em onâ€
“major combat operations in Iraq…â€
Comment by willyloman
Perspective…..
July 6th, 2007 at 1:55 amI don’t know. It’s like that episode of Seinfeld where the girl hates George so much he couldn’t resist it.
Comment by The Captain
I’ve never seen Seinfeld.
July 6th, 2007 at 1:56 amJesus said you are supposed to love your enemies
July 6th, 2007 at 1:56 amPerspective…..
Comment by Zooey
Someone had to do it. And you were talking about the weather… so I jumped in there.
July 6th, 2007 at 1:57 amGoodnight, david.
July 6th, 2007 at 1:57 amWhat shows do you like?
July 6th, 2007 at 1:57 amSomeone had to do it. And you were talking about the weather… so I jumped in there.
Comment by willyloman
I appreciate it, willy. :)
July 6th, 2007 at 1:58 amGregor,
Have there been any polls since the Libby commute?
July 6th, 2007 at 1:58 amComment by willyloman — July 6, 2007 @ 1:54 am
“Fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can’t get fooled again.”
–George W Bush
“Tribal sovereignty means that; it’s sovereign. I mean, you’re a — you’ve been given sovereignty, and you’re viewed as a sovereign entity. And therefore the relationship between the federal government and tribes is one between sovereign entities.”
July 6th, 2007 at 1:58 am–George W Bush
The brain dead Bush cult followers are very carefully tiptoeing around the fact that Reagan’s own NSA man mentioned the i-word and Bush in the same sentence. Comment by Gregor Samsa
They tip-toe around alot of things these days. A good observation.
July 6th, 2007 at 1:58 amOh, you know,
Zooey likes Sex & The City, Desperate Housewives… typical shit.
July 6th, 2007 at 1:58 am“I think the fish… and the man can coexist”
July 6th, 2007 at 1:59 amJesus said you are supposed to love your enemies
Comment by Keith G.
I think Jesus was a nice man, and I don’t hate anyone.
July 6th, 2007 at 1:59 amMaybe the King and the Dick…..
What shows do you like?
Comment by The Captain
I don’t watch television. Why?
July 6th, 2007 at 2:00 amComment by Keith G. — July 6, 2007 @ 1:48 am
Gee, thanks, Keith!
Goodnight, all.
July 6th, 2007 at 2:01 amI have a calendar with over 300 stupid fukcing Bush statements.
July 6th, 2007 at 2:01 amMaybe the King and the Dick…..
Comment by Zooey
That was a 70’s spin-off of Chico and the Man, wasn’t it?
July 6th, 2007 at 2:01 amZooey likes Sex & The City, Desperate Housewives… typical shit.
Comment by Mr. President
Never seen any of those either, but I know what you watch….
July 6th, 2007 at 2:01 amnight jane
July 6th, 2007 at 2:02 amOk then, what books are you currently reading?
July 6th, 2007 at 2:02 amGoodnight, Jane. :)
July 6th, 2007 at 2:02 amNever seen any of those either, but I know what you watch….
Comment by Zooey — July 6, 2007 @ 2:01 am
Do tell.
July 6th, 2007 at 2:03 amOk then, what books are you currently reading?
Comment by The Captain
Why does it matter?
July 6th, 2007 at 2:03 am“I have a calendar with over 300 stupid fukcing Bush statements.”
Comment by Keith G. — July 6, 2007 @ 2:01 am
Per month?
Zooey, we took pictures of the kittens tonight with the computer cam, should have them sorted through this weekend, hopefully!
July 6th, 2007 at 2:05 amOkay, really leaving now.
More famous words by The Decider, aka The Decision Maker, aka The Commander Guy:
“Rarely is the questioned asked: Is our children learning?”
–George W Bush
“Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we.”
–George W Bush
“We’re never been stay the course”
–George W Bush
Read more Bushisms here
July 6th, 2007 at 2:05 amWhen Mr Pres said SlEeP WElL YOu MuSlIM-LoVINg TRAiTOR,
REmEMbER david, Jesus STiLl LOvES yOU!
I thought it contradictary
July 6th, 2007 at 2:06 amsince he was condemning someone for supposed Muslim-loving and at the same time promoting Jesus, who said you are supposed to love your enemies.
Zooey, we took pictures of the kittens tonight with the computer cam, should have them sorted through this weekend, hopefully!
Okay, really leaving now.
Comment by Jane E. Schneider
I look forward to seeing them!
July 6th, 2007 at 2:06 amComment by Keith G. — July 6, 2007 @ 2:06 am
I know.
It breaks your heart doesn’t it?
Get used to it kid, this is the real world!
July 6th, 2007 at 2:07 amMy favorite Bushism:
The American people are working hard to put food on their family.
Or something like that.
July 6th, 2007 at 2:08 amI thought it contradictary
since he was condemning someone for supposed Muslim-loving and at the same time promoting Jesus, who said you are supposed to love your enemies.
Comment by Keith G. — July 6, 2007 @ 2:06 am
Mr President is a bundle of contradictions. For example, he acts completely stupid, but he’s really not. He’s hiding something. He’s terrified we’ll find out.
July 6th, 2007 at 2:09 amAfter somebody like Slick Willy, a plain spoken guy like Bush is refreshing.
July 6th, 2007 at 2:09 amI bet semi-literate conservatives (unlike the trolls in this blog) would like to impeach Pres Bush over his uncanny ability to butcher the English language alone.
July 6th, 2007 at 2:09 amComment by Zooey — July 6, 2007 @ 2:09 am
Wow. Do you read palms too, or just tell fortunes over the internet?
July 6th, 2007 at 2:10 amAfter somebody like Slick Willy, a plain spoken guy like Bush is refreshing.
Comment by The Captain
That’s funny, because after Bill Clinton speaks I know what the hell he said. After the King speaks, I have to read the transcript to find out what he was trying to say.
July 6th, 2007 at 2:11 amWow. Do you read palms too, or just tell fortunes over the internet?
Comment by Mr. President
I observe patterns, dear.
I don’t need to read palms or tell your fortune — you already know.
July 6th, 2007 at 2:14 amWell, explain yourself, mr pres, should we follow Jesus or should we hate the 1.2 billion who are Muslim? We can’t do both. And Jesus certainly did not advocate killing.
July 6th, 2007 at 2:14 amPart of Bush’s appeal is that he’s a regular guy. He’s somebody you could have a beer with.
July 6th, 2007 at 2:14 amPart of Bush’s appeal is that he’s a regular guy. He’s somebody you could have a beer with.
Comment by The Captain
Still buying that, huh? Well, since Bush is a recovering alcoholic, he should be having a beer with anyone.
July 6th, 2007 at 2:16 amYou can have a beer with a moron, it doesn’t follow that the moron should be the most powerful man in the world.
July 6th, 2007 at 2:16 amComment by Keith G. — July 6, 2007 @ 2:14 am
I don’t give a shit what you do.
But if it’s a choice between loving or killing a MuslimShiteater ™, the answer is KILL!
July 6th, 2007 at 2:17 amErrata #516
Well, since Bush is a recovering alcoholic, he [shouldn't] be having a beer with anyone.
July 6th, 2007 at 2:17 amStill buying that, huh? Well, since Bush is a recovering alcoholic, he should be having a beer with anyone.
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Did you see that documentary that Nancy Pelosi’s daughter did on Bush’s 2000 campaign?
Bush drinks non-alcoholic beer.
July 6th, 2007 at 2:18 amAnd if killing the Muslims, results in 9/11, that’s still what we should do?
July 6th, 2007 at 2:19 amYou can have a beer with a moron, it doesn’t follow that the moron should be the most powerful man in the world.
——————
If they get the most votes.
Would you rather have a beer with Fred Thompson or Hillary Clinton?
July 6th, 2007 at 2:19 amDid you see that documentary that Nancy Pelosi’s daughter did on Bush’s 2000 campaign?
Bush drinks non-alcoholic beer.
Comment by The Captain
Which is not recommended by AA.
Maybe you two could have a kool-aid, with two straws.
July 6th, 2007 at 2:20 amWould you rather have a beer with Fred Thompson or Hillary Clinton?
Comment by The Captain
You’d like Fred, Captain. I’ve heard he smells divine.
July 6th, 2007 at 2:21 amBush is a “dry drunk”—unless of course, he has taken up again. He also did a lot of coke. That’s why he had to stop taking the flight physical–because they began including a drug test. That’s why he stopped flying. That’s why he stopped attending. That’s why he was a deserter in a time of war.
July 6th, 2007 at 2:21 amYou are very snarky, Zooey.
July 6th, 2007 at 2:22 amComment by Keith G. — July 6, 2007 @ 2:19 am
Well… yes.
If loving them means another Holocaust.
Jesus Christ, what the hell kind of question was that?!
July 6th, 2007 at 2:22 amYou’d like Fred, Captain. I’ve heard he smells divine.
Comment by Zooey — July 6, 2007 @ 2:21 am
———
Chris Matthews?
July 6th, 2007 at 2:22 ambush never got the most votes. the voting machines are made by Republican corporations who will not allow us to see how they work.
July 6th, 2007 at 2:23 amYou are very snarky, Zooey.
Comment by The Captain
Yes, I am.
July 6th, 2007 at 2:23 amMaybe Pres Bush is the kind of guy you could have a beer with. But it’s now it’s time to take away the car keys, and call the designated driver to take him back home.
And if you really think a blue-blood New Englander will have a beer with a commoner, you need to stop drinking too.
July 6th, 2007 at 2:23 am“He also did a lot of coke.”
Who here didn’t?
July 6th, 2007 at 2:24 ammr pres, you never make any sense. Christians committed the Holocaust, not Muslims.
July 6th, 2007 at 2:24 amChris Matthews?
Comment by The Captain
Well, he might smell divine as well, but I was talking about Fred.
July 6th, 2007 at 2:24 am“bush never got the most votes. ”
They may have been stolen votes, but on record in 04 he got the most.
July 6th, 2007 at 2:25 amWho here didn’t?
Comment by The Captain
I didn’t.
July 6th, 2007 at 2:25 amComment by Keith G. — July 6, 2007 @ 2:24 am
Actually, the Nazis were neo-Pagans.
July 6th, 2007 at 2:26 am“Well, he might smell divine as well, but I was talking about Fred.”
lol, you’re kind of funny.
Didn’t Chris Matthews say that Fred had a musky smell? I thought I read that on one of the lefty blogs.
July 6th, 2007 at 2:26 amThe Captain,
You didn’t know?
Zooey is a nun. That is why she doesn’t watch T.V., and the only Book she reads is the Good Book. She would never use drugs.
July 6th, 2007 at 2:27 amProgressive don’t like Hillary. I like Kucinich, Nader, Saunders, Conyers, Feingold, Gore (if he has changed enough), etc.
July 6th, 2007 at 2:27 amActually, the Nazis were neo-Pagans.
Comment by Mr. President
You always beat that to death, but it is not true. Use the Google, and you will find that Hitler considered himself — always — a Catholic. You don’t have to like it.
July 6th, 2007 at 2:27 amNazi Germany was most definitely Christian. If you think otherwise, you are most definitely looney tunes.
July 6th, 2007 at 2:28 amHere you go Zoo:
http://www.shoaheducation.com/thor.html
July 6th, 2007 at 2:29 amPres, I was getting that vibe as well. She even drinks wine like a good catholic.
July 6th, 2007 at 2:30 amNazi Germany was most definitely Christian. If you think otherwise, you are most definitely looney tunes.
Comment by Keith G.
That’s our Mr Pee!
July 6th, 2007 at 2:32 amProgressive don’t like Hillary. I like Kucinich, Nader, Saunders, Conyers, Feingold, Gore (if he has changed enough), etc.
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Kucinich is ok for a liberal. His wife is hot. I always liked Daniel Patrick Moynihan.
July 6th, 2007 at 2:32 amOne biographer said Hitler was very Calvinistic.
July 6th, 2007 at 2:33 amZooey, I found that website in .12 secs with the googles.
July 6th, 2007 at 2:33 amlol, you’re kind of funny.
Didn’t Chris Matthews say that Fred had a musky smell? I thought I read that on one of the lefty blogs.
Comment by The Captain
Heh. Well, looks aren’t everything. Here’s the TP thread on this vitally important matter of state:
http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/14/matthews-probes-thompsons-smell-sex-appeal/
July 6th, 2007 at 2:34 amZooey, I found that website in .12 secs with the googles.
Comment by Mr. President
Good for you! Here’s a pat on the head.
July 6th, 2007 at 2:34 amThe entire country of Germany committed the crimes of WWII, not a few people at the top.
July 6th, 2007 at 2:35 amUnfortunately, Jesus did advocate killing.
“But these enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, bring them here and slay them in my presence.”
July 6th, 2007 at 2:38 amLuke 19:27
Comment by Keith G. — July 6, 2007 @ 2:35 am
No. The NAZIs committed the crimes, not the entire country. Did you read how the swastika and the logo for the “SS” were pagan symbols?
N E O P A G A N S
Don’t try to pin this on Christ!
July 6th, 2007 at 2:38 amZooey, frinkin hilarious!
“Can you smell the English leather on this guy, the Aqua Velva, the sort of mature man’s shaving cream, or whatever, you know, after he shaved? Do you smell that sort of — a little bit of cigar smoke?”
July 6th, 2007 at 2:39 amZooey is a nun. That is why she doesn’t watch T.V., and the only Book she reads is the Good Book. She would never use drugs.
Comment by Mr. President
All nuns have kids, right? I’m married to God, he’s my only man, so forget it Captain.
I don’t use drugs because I don’t need to dull myself from the reality of the world. I’ll be up at 6 a.m., and I won’t be hungover.
Goodnight losers!!
July 6th, 2007 at 2:39 amFred Thompson was a mole for Nixon during Watergate, a shill for Big Tobacco, promoted deregulation of savings and loans which cost taxpayers $400 billion, and only about 19% of US agrees with his Iraq policy. And Jon Stewart said he looks like the Frankenberry Monster.
July 6th, 2007 at 2:39 amAfter somebody like Slick Willy, a plain spoken guy like Bush is refreshing.
Comment by The Captain — July 6, 2007 @ 2:09 am
plain spoken??!!?? – i can never understand exactly what the f**k he is talking about whenever he delivers one of his language-mangling speeches
July 6th, 2007 at 2:40 amDon’t be like that Zooey, come on!
July 6th, 2007 at 2:40 am“I’m married to God, he’s my only man, so forget it Captain.”
Well, that’s cool. I can respect that.
July 6th, 2007 at 2:40 amGoodnight to you as well, Keith G, a fine gentleman as usual. :)
July 6th, 2007 at 2:41 amI didn’t pin it on Christ. I think Nazi Germany was a perversion of Christianity. Hitler was supported by virtually the entire country. Not a few.
July 6th, 2007 at 2:41 amDon’t be like that Zooey, come on!
Comment by Mr. President
What? I’m going to bed.
July 6th, 2007 at 2:42 amGoodnight to you as well, Keith G, a fine gentleman as usual. :)
Comment by Zooey
I thought you just called me a loser!
Goodnight Zooey.
July 6th, 2007 at 2:42 amNight Zooey.
July 6th, 2007 at 2:43 amComment by Keith G. — July 6, 2007 @ 2:41 am
You sir, don’t know you’re history, and you are making two assertions, one of which I might accept, the other is a stretch.
July 6th, 2007 at 2:43 amComment by Zooey — July 6, 2007 @ 2:11 am
Brilliant.
I can’t help but suspect, that all the GOP veterans are speaking out loud now, not so much because they’ve started being reasonable, but because they know Mr Bush is badly damaging their party and it’s accompanying interest groups.
The disgust that so many Americans show for the GOP and the Democratic Party alike, might put an end to the two-party-rule that both are so comfortable with. A honest, independent candidate, like e.g. Vice-President Al Gore, could shake up the system badly. I am very sorry that he seemed to rule out a candidacy definitely.
We had a similar situation years ago in Germany, when what used to be a three party rule was shaken by the successes of the Green Party. Politicians scuttered about panicked like cockroaches when you turn on the light. For quite a while, the ascent of the Greens changed politics for the better, because it reminded the old parties, that being in power was not a given right but was given to them by the people. Sadly, the Greens are as corrupted now as the others (took them about 20 years to get there) but we have a new kid on the block now, “The Left” party.
For Mr Bush this means, that an increasing number of GOP heavyweights is willing to figuratively burn him at the stake in order to hold onto their share of power and influence. And, although Political bombs like the one General Odom detonated here, serve to rid the GOP of a damaging leader, not for the sake of the country but for the sake of one’s own political interests.
So, I’m off now. I got “The Assault on Reason” yesterday and I have some serious reading to do. BTW I bought Glenn Greenwald’s book, too, for good measure, so this should keep me busy until July 21st.
July 6th, 2007 at 2:45 amYou don’t know that the possessive is “your”, not “you’re”. Couldn’t have read very much in your life.
July 6th, 2007 at 2:47 amNo. I meant you don’t know that you are history.
July 6th, 2007 at 2:48 amKeith G, are you related to Kenny G?
July 6th, 2007 at 2:49 amUnless you meant the contraction for you are history–in which case you were correct.
July 6th, 2007 at 2:49 amNo, but my nephew is Kenny G.
I used to be Keith until two other Keith’s appear on TP
July 6th, 2007 at 2:50 am“plain spoken??!!?? – i can never understand exactly what the f**k he is talking about whenever he delivers one of his language-mangling speeches”
My two favorite Bush speeches were when he stood atop the rubble with the megaphone, and when he addressed the joint session of congress after 9/11. These were great speeches.
July 6th, 2007 at 2:51 amKeith G, I’m jelous that Zooey likes you and not me.
July 6th, 2007 at 2:54 amBush supporters: What do you have to say about Gen. Odom’s statement? What do you make of it?
Is he now a “radical leftist” too?
Is he “emboldening” the enemy?
Does he “hate the troops”?
Does it hurt to see Reagan conservatives disavow The Decider?
July 6th, 2007 at 3:21 amI love your bashing of Reagan and defence of the Mulsims.
A true Dhimmi, you must defend your masters!
Comment by The Joker
If you “love it,†why does it upset you so much? Too bad you can’t handle the truth about the traitorous Reagan. Poor little child, I’ll quit bashing your fairy-tale hero, now.
Comment by barfly — July 5, 2007
Hello, I’m Ronald Reagan. Still dead and still in hell.
You are RIGHT, Mr. Barfly so continue, PLEASE.
I was a TRAITOR in Iran/Contra as well as my veep, EVIL Bush 43, and after he PARDONED ALL the TREASONOUS criminals, who now work in EVIL Bush 41’s crime stable, he pardoned an
INTERNATIONAL TERRORIST, Orlando Bosch, still living in Miami.
Satan LOVES the EVIL of the Bushes, Cheneys and their monkeys…
Satan Bless he Bushes and Cheneys!!
Treasonously yours from hell,
Traitor Ronnie and his Master Satan
July 6th, 2007 at 3:22 amdavid,
July 6th, 2007 at 9:37 amCAUGHT YOU IN ANOTHER LIE!
Edward Gibbons was anti-Christian.
He was the one who started the whole Pro-Muslim view of history.
The Caliphate was ganster operation based on conquest and enslavement. The Christians were 2nd class citizens and had to pay Jiyaza tax and their word was good in a court of law.
Learn some facts before you speak!
The Emperor Heraclius never conquered Persia.
He defeated the Persiand to defend his Empire.
He didn’t annex Persian territory.
He made Greek the officail languag e since that was the language spoken by the ruling class.
The Roman capital was Constantinople not Rome.
If they Eastern Romans had no influence why did they still contol 60% of Roman territory including Rome?
As for calling Byzantium the orient, that was a French propaganda technique done by the French warlord Chalemagne.
The Eastern Empire was a continuation of the Romamn Empire.
In fact in the 10th and 11th Centurires under the Macedonian Emperor Nicheporous, John Tzimisces and Basil II the Eastern Empire took back Crete, Cyprus, Armenia and Syria from the Muslims.
Since you love the Caliphate so much move to Iran and Saudi Arabia!
# 209 “There wouldn’t be a problem if the Muslims could just act civilized for a change.”
There wouldn’t be a problem if the Americans could just act civilized for a change. There I fixed that for you Mr. Prez.
I can’t think of anything less civilized than invading a country that posed no harm to you and lied to do it. I can’t think of anything less civilized than being responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of innocent victims. I can’t think of anything less civilized than kidnapping people and “rendering” them to countries to have them tortured. I can’t think of anything less civilized than holding people indefinitely without charging them with crimes and without allowing them the ability to defend themselves.
The crimes we have committed pale in comparison to the crimes the “Islamofaschists” have committed.
July 6th, 2007 at 9:38 amHey trollie morons,
How come none of you were wetting your beds about Islamic terrorist on 9/10/01 and before?
Comment by Zooey — July 5, 2007 @ 10:19 pm
Why do you have your heads in the sand AFTER 9/11/01?
July 6th, 2007 at 10:07 amThose noises you hear are (several) points tipping! ABOUT TIME!!!!
July 6th, 2007 at 10:09 amSee http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/opinion/la-oe-brooks6jul06,1,5042063.column?track=rss
Atta, nobody here has there head in the sand after 9/11/01. That’s a complete farse. Simply put, if we would have put half this much energy, money and lives into Afghanistan while continuing to squeeze Saddam with the sanctions and military no fly zones in place there would have already been an internal overthrow in Iraq and we could have supported it without having our soldiers as targets.
So if you continue to muddy up the water by confusing the two (Iraq and who attacked us on 9/11) it will be you who is lost.
Sad sack.
July 6th, 2007 at 10:22 amWhy do you have your heads in the sand AFTER 9/11/01?
Comment by Muhammad Atta — July 6, 2007 @ 10:07 am
Only trolls and bedwetters have their heads in the sand, dingbat.
July 6th, 2007 at 11:15 amSo this is the argument here, that the Late “Roman” empire at Byzantium didn’t destroy the muslims and so now we’re suffering the legacy of that failure?
July 6th, 2007 at 12:24 pmUnless impeachment proceedings are implemented, then the history of the George W. Bush adminsitration will read better than it lived. We cannot afford that, considering we must live on this good earth and deal with all people on this earth. The middle east is, again, unstable, thanks to George W. Bush. The more we continue this “crap” in Irag, the more enemies we are breeding. Whatever happened to talking to a perceived enemy. Communicate and be honest with the American public and with the world. This war was wrong. It must end and we must admit to the world that we were wrong. We cannot win this without a lot of honestly and humility. Our sacrificial lamb is George W. Bush, so that we all might live in peace. What’s more harmful to our future? A disgraced President, or a broken country?
July 6th, 2007 at 2:55 pmWar crimes,crimes against humanity,treason,lying,war profiteering,etc,etc, are excellent reasons to Impeach,prosecute and execute ANYBODY.
July 7th, 2007 at 1:13 pmThe prosecution of such criminals is necessary to demonstrate some semblance of decency to the world,otherwise it’s obvious Americans were complacent in the crimes and will be treated accordingly,worldwide.
The empire is crumbling inside and out and the”barbarians” have been at the gates for sometime due to”blowback”,as the CIA call KARMA.
I know there are plenty of good people that are opposed to this administration that live in the states but all will be blamed,as the Germans and Japanese were for a very long time.
BUSHCO have soiled Americans reputations worse than ever and it’s going to take a very long time and a sustained multi-dimensional effort to change the world’s well justified opinion.
Good luck with the public relations.