Fox News: ‘Blame Mr. Rogers!’
Fox News: ‘Blame Mr. Rogers!’
This morning, Fox and Friends asked, “Why is it at the end of every term, these kids who on the bubble…they come in and beg for extra credit so they can get an A?” Citing a report by a university professor, Fox speculated one possible answer: “Blame Mr. Rogers! Because Mr. Rogers had an optimistic message where everyone was special even if they didn’t deserve it.” During the segment, one chyron read: “Mr. Rogers’ Mixed Message: ‘You’re Special.’” Another chyron asked: “Is Mr. Rogers Ruining Kids?: Sense of Entitlement.” Watch it:
The late Fred Rogers was the highly acclaimed host of the children’s television show, Mr. Rogers’ Neighborhood, and was a tireless advocate for children. Fox’s Brian Kilmeade said “that man unintentionally did a whole generation or two a disservice.”
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These guys are really desperate. Mr. Rogers? Gimme a break.
July 6th, 2007 at 4:46 pmWhy are these lame-assed wankers digging up a dead man to spit on his body?
Mr Rogers loved kids more than anyone.
Jesus christ.
July 6th, 2007 at 4:47 pmWell, he is kind of a pussy!
July 6th, 2007 at 4:49 pmOk. What literary archetype was Laura Palmer?
July 6th, 2007 at 4:50 pmI noticed Iraq was not mentioned once………therefore it the segment was a SMASHING SUCCESS.
Sleep Rape-Public-Can Sheeple…………..SLEEP.
July 6th, 2007 at 4:50 pmHa ha ha ha ha ha!
How long till they start kicking Santa Claus too?
July 6th, 2007 at 4:50 pmI feel only pity for people so dead inside that they do not think all children are “special”.
July 6th, 2007 at 4:52 pmMr. Rogers was the most kindest, gentlest soul and his message that every person was unique and special is true!
Imagine the effect on children if we tell them they’re all dumb shits and they have nothing to offer.
I can’t believe I’m posting this but Mr. Rogers is a great role model.
July 6th, 2007 at 4:52 pmHeather: and just what makes all children “special”?
July 6th, 2007 at 4:53 pmAttacking the beloved dead, a new low.
July 6th, 2007 at 4:53 pmStunningly weird.
July 6th, 2007 at 4:54 pmFrank M,
Innocense, retard.
July 6th, 2007 at 4:55 pmFox has created The War on Mr Rogers!
July 6th, 2007 at 4:56 pmHeather: and just what makes all children “special�
Comment by Frank M — July 6, 2007 @ 4:53 pm
Don’t take it personally, guy. I don’t think she meant it in the same way that you’re “special,” with the short bus and all.
July 6th, 2007 at 4:56 pmDon Chance, a finance professor at Louisiana State University is now a Childhood Development expert. FOX digs up all these off the wall, insecure and desperate-to-publish profs whenever it needs to find justification for their shit.
July 6th, 2007 at 4:56 pmMr. Rogers was a dick in real life….but that doesn’t mean his message needs to be hijacked and distorted by Faux.
July 6th, 2007 at 4:57 pmI thought you liberals were all against innocence.
July 6th, 2007 at 4:58 pm#16 Do you have a citation?
July 6th, 2007 at 4:59 pmCan’t wait ’til they expose Big Bird for his lack of courage (he is yellow, afterall). The Count will be next for discouraging use of multiplication tables. Ernie and Bert are encouraging same-sex marriage. Don’t get me started on Elmo the Terrorist Supporter.
FOX Sensationalism, the microphone-feedback of ‘What is Patriotism?’, is owned by an Austrailian. It’s entertainment, not “News”.
July 6th, 2007 at 4:59 pma child who feels special is not necessarily spoiled. that comes from the gratuitous excess of buying of toys.
July 6th, 2007 at 4:59 pmmister rogers did not believe in commercialism or crap culture, two hallmarks of big business.
distraction brought to you by kkk rove.
Well, he is kind of a pussy!
Comment by Mr. President or whomever — July 6, 2007 @ 4:49 pm
The host for Fox and Friends?
I agree. To attack a dead man, who can’t defend himself!
Class act, that Fox, class act!
(SIDE NOTE: Taste of Chicago, here I come!!!)
Enjoy the weekend, everyone!!!
July 6th, 2007 at 4:59 pmWhile we’re indulging in a game of “Fantasyland” (what would one expect from a fake news program like Fox??) why don’t we place blame on the whole bunch: Santa Claus, The Easter Bunny, Jimminy Crickett, Howdie Doody, and Princess SummerFallWinterSpring??
I guess they have no one left to blame but fictitious characters because it’s beginning to look like they’ve distilled down to “blaming themselves” finally. Blaming a fictional character is essentially blaming themselves for all intents & purposes.
July 6th, 2007 at 4:59 pmFrank M,
You thought?
July 6th, 2007 at 4:59 pmAs usual you thought wrong.
Well, since the entire american populace is engaged in a war on Foch Snooze, it’s only fitting that they lash out at fictitious boogeymen, isn’t it?
July 6th, 2007 at 5:00 pmBlame his sweaters.
July 6th, 2007 at 5:00 pm#17: I thought you liberals were all against innocence.
Oh? Why in heaven’s name would you think that?
What a doughbrained thing to say.
July 6th, 2007 at 5:00 pmWithin a year I believe Fox News will be so irrelevant and obsolete that they’ll just vanish completely from the radar. Right now, no with any sense of credibility or self-respect will appear on their programming which says a bunch.
July 6th, 2007 at 5:01 pmIf any other station ran this story FOXNEWS would point out that Fred Rogers was an ordained minister and accuse them of an “Attack on Christianity”.
July 6th, 2007 at 5:01 pm#18 – I grew up in Pittsburgh. My mom knew a co-worker of Fred Rogers….he was an arrogant prick just like Bob Hope pretended not to be.
July 6th, 2007 at 5:01 pmIf this is the best Fox news can do, methinks they’re in heap big trouble!
July 6th, 2007 at 5:02 pmLet’s not forget that Mr TopemHat of Sodor Island is a capitalist pig and fascist whose only interest is that the damn trains make sure they are being useful!
July 6th, 2007 at 5:02 pmThis takes the cake, doesn’t it…..if they ever believed themselves to be a legitimate news program, this cinches the deal against that once and for all. They will never live this one down.
Guess they had to run something to counter what’s happening today on all fronts….DeadEye Dick is looking like the storm is gathering all around him.
July 6th, 2007 at 5:03 pmI remember watching a show years ago that was something like “punked” where they set up Mr. Rogers in a hotel room where nothing was as he asked for it and nothing worked. The wrong bed in a smoking room with a television that didn’t work etc. etc. He took the whole thing with absolute grace and humility.
July 6th, 2007 at 5:03 pmOf course he’s being attacked, evil cannot tolerate purity.
We will have to fight Mr. Rogers in his grave or we will have to fight him here!
Where’s glen beck and billo to kick the dead guy? They are missing out on all the fun. And Ann Coultergeist should be here, too. DNA-loaded skank cocktail dress and all.
July 6th, 2007 at 5:04 pmJimmy Z ~ My mom played accordian for a hillbilly radio show in Des Moines Iowa in the late 30’s, starring none other than the biggest asshole in radio at that time, one Ronnie Reagan.
July 6th, 2007 at 5:04 pmEven bringing a second-rate station like Fox up for discussion makes me feel like barfing. Time to flit on to bigger and more relevant topics.
July 6th, 2007 at 5:04 pmupside00!
July 6th, 2007 at 5:05 pmROFLMAO!!!
Since many FOX viewers raised their kids with Mr. Rogers, this might not be such a smart move.
July 6th, 2007 at 5:05 pmIf you are not against innocence why are you for stuff like sex before marriage, abortion and children without dads?
July 6th, 2007 at 5:05 pmThe Fox take on kindly Fred Rogers’ efforts to help preschoolers w/their sense of self esteem is beyond laughable. My grandsons love him. His program sure beats a lot of the dreck on commercial tv for kids that age. Rogers was a clergyman BTW.
July 6th, 2007 at 5:06 pm#34 Veritas
But remember… it is Faux NoNooz that blames terrorist attacks on national medicine! SO wonder what else they will blame Mr. Rogers for?
July 6th, 2007 at 5:06 pmI thought
Comment by Frank M
Don’t hurt yourself there, dude.
July 6th, 2007 at 5:07 pmoh! this has to be the last straw! I doubt the public at large would allow such a slander of Mr. Rogers to stand. Heh, I’m willing to bet a large segment of the public grew up with Mr. Rogers.
July 6th, 2007 at 5:07 pmProfessor Chance responded that he agreed that narcissism was a problem. No word on when he’s writing the article about this most heinous kind.
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Professor Chance,
Mr. Zaslow,
With respect to “Blame It on Mr. Rogers: Why Young Adults Feel So Entitled” published July 5:
Many in America openly practice the narcissism that a supreme being who created the universe cares solely about this insignificant corner of an insignificant galaxy, and in fact this supreme being has nothing better to do than watch every move of each and every one of us from cradle to grave to determine our eternal disposition in the hereafter.
Some extrapolate this to declare homo sapiens as “special,” above nature not part of it, separate, made in the image of that supreme being, to the point they readily sacrifice the precious natural surroundings that give us life in the pursuit of wealth, consequences be damned. They deny Federal funding for life altering research using embryonic stem cells, they deny a woman equal footing in society by denying her sovereignty over her own body, they deny Terri Schiavo a dignified and private passing, they demonize people for who they love, they seek to replace the rigors of scientific inquiry with tenets of faith in our schools as we increasingly fail to compete in a global economy, they fight cruel wars tantamount to modern day Crusades — all this and more, and all rooted in this narcissism run amok.
Yet for all the incalculable damage that this narcissism has wrought, it elicits not a peep from vaunted financial services chairs at LSU nor the editorial staff of the Wall Street Journal.
But let Mister Rogers — Mister Rogers, for crying out loud — show a developing child a little love, a child who has to rely on television to bolster a preschool education these same people would otherwise deny, and the mammonists go apoplectic.
This makes Falwell’s ludicrous accusations that Tinky Winky is a gay role model pale by comparison. Evidently a positive self-image among the nation’s youth is the antithesis of oligarchic objectives, and must be repudiated no matter how ridiculous that repudiation.
I must say, to your credit, at least this time it wasn’t Clinton’s fault.
PS – Nice guitar page though, Dr. Chance.
July 6th, 2007 at 5:07 pm#37 I’m not against children without dads, or children with dads. I’m not against any children.
July 6th, 2007 at 5:07 pmNow the Reich Wingnuts are smearing Fred Rodgers.
They’ve gone insane.
July 6th, 2007 at 5:08 pmAlright, if no one else has the balls to say it, I will.
Mr. Rogers was creepy, of course he thought all children were “special,” especially little boys.
No one would want a “Mr. Rogers” in their neighborhood today, that is, no one who loves their children.
July 6th, 2007 at 5:08 pmHarumphing con saps know what’s wrong with this country: Disney! Specifically, “Snow White and the 7 Dwarves”: a whole generation of children grew up thinking Americans should “whistle while you work”! How absurd!
July 6th, 2007 at 5:09 pm…I can’t think of a single thing to say to this. Wait…actually I can. I’m channelling a good buddy of mine here….here it comes….
*DUMB$#!+!!!*
Now I see where Mr. P gets his talking points from…
July 6th, 2007 at 5:09 pmWhy is Frank J/M/? for pedophiles like Mark Foley?
July 6th, 2007 at 5:10 pmFrank M,
We’re talking about Faux attacking Mr. Rogers on this thread. You asked a question about why children are special, it was answered, go elsewhere to bait people into your talking points. Or better yet go elsewhere to master bait people.
July 6th, 2007 at 5:10 pmThe sense of entitlement has been growing in this country for MORE than 25 years. And narcissism???? Just look at the grand sense of entitlement going on at the White House, not to mention narcissism!!!!
July 6th, 2007 at 5:11 pmNo Fox noisemaker is fit to shine the shoes of Fred Rogers. A selfless, dedicated man, whose goal in life was to offer children a place to be safe and to understand the world around them. And yes, he looked for the something special in everyone, even those noisemakers at Fox. Our world is so much better off because of him. The children are so much more in confusion and peril without his calm and loving friendship. I still watch the reruns with the kids. Sometimes without!!
RUCerious you make no sense.
July 6th, 2007 at 5:11 pmYou black hearted evil trolls really have no shame do you.
July 6th, 2007 at 5:11 pmFrank J/M, neither do your strawmen.
July 6th, 2007 at 5:12 pmIf you are not against innocence why are you for stuff like sex before marriage, abortion and children without dads?
Comment by Frank M — July 6, 2007 @ 5:05 pm
Please do not venture out into the world unassisted.
July 6th, 2007 at 5:12 pm“Why is it at the end of every term, these kids who on the bubble…they come in and beg for extra credit so they can get an A?â€
Umm… maybe it’s because they know that an A is better than a B and, human nature being what it is, they want to do everything in their power to get the best grade possible? And they recognize that “begging for extra credit” is one way to achieve that goal?
Is that so friggin’ hard to understand?
Why does everything have to be an “entitlement” issue?
How do they even try to turn this into a social problem, let alone hint that it’s anyone’s “fault”?
July 6th, 2007 at 5:12 pmRUCerious you make no sense.
Comment by Frank M
It’s not his fault you have a reading comprehension problem…..
July 6th, 2007 at 5:13 pmAnd King George will be sitting alone on his throne (toilet throne, that is) with his only two friends left in the world: Barney and Laura – his two dogs. arfffff! Didn’t he prophesize that?
July 6th, 2007 at 5:13 pmMr. President you sure say some weird stuff. I personally never liked Mr. Rogers. I was a Three Stooges kinda guy. But this thread is about the endless stream of weird shit that that FOX morning show puts out.
I just read in Time Murdoch wants to buy the WSJ to go legit and eventually dump FOX. We all know where FOX is headed you dolt.
July 6th, 2007 at 5:14 pmI’m conservative and I like Mr. Rogers.
My 20 month old daughter watches his show almost everyday.
July 6th, 2007 at 5:14 pmInsanity is the synonym for “reichwingnuts” these days….so we’ve come to expect this behavior from the bunch of them.
July 6th, 2007 at 5:14 pm“If you are not against innocence why are you for stuff like sex before marriage, abortion and children without dads?”
Comment by Frank M
So, Frank, you’ve never had sex? It’s a shame your mom never had an abortion, and if you have kids take it for granted they would be better off without their dad.
July 6th, 2007 at 5:14 pm#17 Frank M
I thought you liberals were all against innocence.
I thought you conservatives were all pedophiles. Oh, that’s right. You are.
July 6th, 2007 at 5:14 pmand just what makes all children “special�
Comment by Frank M — July 6, 2007 @ 4:53 pm
I guess a simple answer that you can understand is God makes all children “special”.
What makes you say that there are children in the world who are not “special”? Do YOU have children? Are they special?
July 6th, 2007 at 5:15 pmTexas Democrat are you new here? Or is that a new handle you’re sporting?
July 6th, 2007 at 5:15 pmWhy is it at the end of every term, these kids who on the bubble…they come in and beg for extra credit so they can get an A?â€
It isn’t like school should be about the learning, now is it?
What’s wrong with allowing a student to work a little harder at something they need practice with to cement some learning in place.
It’s not like they’re not ‘earning’ the extra credit.
No, it’s about you, the almighty instructor, with the godlike power of issuing grades.
July 6th, 2007 at 5:15 pmFox is headed out…..or more appropriately, down the toilet. It’s already there but just doesn’t realize it yet….”and away go bubbles down the drain, RotoRooter!”.
July 6th, 2007 at 5:15 pmIt’s original, gotta admit that! After years of blaming Clinton, now they’ve found a new scapegoat….poor ole’ Mr. Rogers.
July 6th, 2007 at 5:16 pmIt’s not his fault you have a reading comprehension problem…..
Ah yes. You smug progressives. “They can’t read or understand us – stupid lower class slobs – but at least we know what’s good for them”.
July 6th, 2007 at 5:16 pmThose who are badmouthing the deceased Fred Rogers on this thread should read a few interviews w/someone who got his start working w/him behind the scenes on Mr. Rogers’ Neighborhood- actor Michael Keaton. Nothing but praise from Keaton, who was then an unknown production assistant/gofer for Fred & Co.
July 6th, 2007 at 5:17 pmHow do they even try to turn this into a social problem, let alone hint that it’s anyone’s “fault�
Comment by spit take
People criticize kids for being lazy and stupid, but when they try to excel, they are still criticized.
They cannot win!
July 6th, 2007 at 5:17 pm#37 Frank M
If you are not against innocence why are you for stuff like sex before marriage, abortion and children without dads?
Why are you for having sex with little kids, and beating your wives, and cheating on them? With gay hookers?!!!
July 6th, 2007 at 5:17 pmThe right-wing oligarch’s objectives rely on a “gammas” in society. If every child is special and every child deserves opportunity to excel, the “alpha” class is threatened. These people truly believe they are better and more deserving than you, and that their children are better and more deserving than yours. Fox certainly has no choice except to embrace this putrid belief.
July 6th, 2007 at 5:17 pm#26 Within a year I believe Fox News will be so irrelevant and obsolete that they’ll just vanish completely from the radar. Right now, no with any sense of credibility or self-respect will appear on their programming which says a bunch.
Comment by veritas
July 6th, 2007 at 5:17 pmThey are going the way of right-wing hate radio in ratings loss, and may be further along to their demise because they no longer can fool enough listeners.
I’m a liberal and I watch fox news because CNN is too anti-American. I just can’t stand it.
July 6th, 2007 at 5:18 pmIt’s fifteen minutes of Ann Coulteresque fame for a nobody finance professor langushing in a second-rate university in the heart of Bible-pounding racist xenophobic dumbass America. He’s made it to Faux.
He and his degenerate family will be watching reruns of this video every Thanksgiving as they wipe their greasy fingers on the lining of their dinner jackets, yukking it up at how everybody’s just looking for a handout.
July 6th, 2007 at 5:18 pmWhat are you talking about chimpeach? I do nothing of the kind!
July 6th, 2007 at 5:19 pm#64 LandSurveyor
…is that a new handle you’re sporting?
If I had a nickel for every time someone asked me that…
July 6th, 2007 at 5:19 pmI’m conservative and I like Mr. Rogers.
My 20 month old daughter watches his show almost everyday.
Comment by Ringo — July 6, 2007 @ 5:14 pm
So you’ll be sending FOX an email telling them how you feel about this story, right?
July 6th, 2007 at 5:19 pmI’m a liberal and I watch fox news because CNN is too anti-American. I just can’t stand it.
Comment by dogtrottors — July 6, 2007 @ 5:18 pm
Bullshit.
July 6th, 2007 at 5:20 pm#76 Frank M
What are you talking about chimpeach? I do nothing of the kind!
Of course you do. You’re a conservative, right? All conservatives do those things, so you do to.
I’m surprised I have to explain that to you.
July 6th, 2007 at 5:20 pmAh yes. You dumbass retrogressives. “You can’t read or understand us – or even understand when we’re dissing you”
July 6th, 2007 at 5:20 pm#78: That would be a bad idea. FOX would be sending their Security Team to discuss the problem with Mr. Ringo.
July 6th, 2007 at 5:20 pmchimpeach, chimpeach, CHIMPEACH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
AAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH HHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
July 6th, 2007 at 5:21 pmEven Mr. Rogers is not safe from being attacked by these nuts & Friends at Fox.
July 6th, 2007 at 5:21 pmThey,everyday, have to find someone to attack or smear…
They think its funny.
What evidence these hollow heads have to prove their point of view about Mr. Rogers…nothing…
Just another day of selling Fox morning trash to the dummies .
Ah yes. You smug progressives. “They can’t read or understand us – stupid lower class slobs – but at least we know what’s good for themâ€.
Comment by Frank M — July 6, 2007 @ 5:16 pm
Why is it smug to point out that you have trouble comprehending the written word?
Why do you feel entitled to be treated like an intelligent contributor when your posts are such clear evidence of the opposite?
July 6th, 2007 at 5:21 pmThank you very much. Thank you. Thank you.
July 6th, 2007 at 5:22 pm#78: That would be a bad idea. FOX would be sending their Security Team to discuss the problem with Mr. Ringo.
Comment by StinkyBritches
Heh.
If he has a spine he’ll do it anyway. :)
July 6th, 2007 at 5:22 pmchimpeach: What are you talking about? You don’t know me. I am not a pedofile or a goddamned Faggot.
July 6th, 2007 at 5:22 pmIn my experience, those who behave with the most irritating sense of entitlement are the wealthy. They expect a lot from the government, and they get what they pay for. They expect a lot from those who work for them, or they hire an illegal Mexican or offshore the job to India. They expect a lot from the right wing media to keep the masses numb with tragic plights of rich white girls writ large and nationwide while Rome burns. They hold out their hands for tax breaks, and though they’ve benefitted the most from the system they’ve set up, and though they have the most to protect, they offer nothing in return.
And then they have the unmitigated audacity to complain about the narcissism of others. It’s stunning.
July 6th, 2007 at 5:23 pmI’m surprised I have to explain that to you.
Comment by chimpeach — July 6, 2007 @ 5:20 pm
His dog ate his copy of The Neo-Con Agenda ™.
July 6th, 2007 at 5:24 pmI’m a liberal and I watch fox news because CNN is too anti-American. I just can’t stand it.
Comment by dogtrottors — July 6, 2007 @ 5:18 pm
I’m a conservative and I listen to Randi Rhodes because Ed Schultz is just too right-wing for me.
July 6th, 2007 at 5:25 pmI am not a pedofile or a goddamned Faggot.
Yer just another simple-minded bedwetting bootlicker.
July 6th, 2007 at 5:25 pm#88 Frank M
chimpeach: What are you talking about? You don’t know me. I am not a pedofile or a goddamned Faggot.
There’s the tip-off. You went way overboard trying to convince us you’re not gay. You even capitalized “Faggot”. Yep, you’re gay alright.
And, of course, the pedophilia goes without saying. After all, you’re a conservative.
July 6th, 2007 at 5:25 pmI may be wrong, but Fox isn’t too far off the mark. A study was done not too long ago that studied a generation of kids who were raised with the whole “I’m unique and special” method of parenting and learning. The kids grew into adults with an inflated sense of self-entitlement and an attitude that everything should be easy and handed to them.
I haven’t actually read the study so I can’t comment on whether or not Mr. Roger’s was named or referenced.
July 6th, 2007 at 5:25 pmI’m a liberal and I watch fox news because CNN is too anti-American. I just can’t stand it.
Comment by dogtrottors — July 6, 2007 @ 5:18 pm
That’s kinda like saying “I’m not gay, but I watch gay porn because the storylines in straight porn are just too ludicrous. He doesn’t even LOOK like a cable installer.”
July 6th, 2007 at 5:26 pmMethinks Frank J/M protesteth too much.
July 6th, 2007 at 5:27 pmSo you’ll be sending FOX an email telling them how you feel about this story, right?
Comment by Zooey
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Perhaps….Although I rarely watch FOX News (or any other TV News).
July 6th, 2007 at 5:27 pm#96. I haven’t actually read the study…
Then shut up.
July 6th, 2007 at 5:27 pmComment by Rosencrantz — July 6, 2007 @ 5:25 pm
100% Correct.
See, the Lefties think all kids are special REGARDLESS of merit, that is how MR can ruin America.
Like I said, he is kind of a pussy.
July 6th, 2007 at 5:27 pmQ:
July 6th, 2007 at 5:28 pmWould a pedofile be someone who uses a rasp file on their toenails?
Ah yes. You dumbass retrogressives. “You can’t read or understand us – or even understand when we’re dissing youâ€
Comment by RUCerious
I keep warning him not to hurt himself when he thinks, but he does it anyway, lmao
Frank is definately not the brightest bulb in the room.
July 6th, 2007 at 5:29 pmchimpeach: Why don’t you just leave me alone before I sue you for internet harrassment or liabel? And I’m no stinking faggot. That “F” in my post was just a mistake.
You have no right to say I’m homo.
July 6th, 2007 at 5:29 pm#101.
Show us “the study,” or STFU.
July 6th, 2007 at 5:30 pmComment by Ringo — July 6, 2007 @ 5:27 pm
There is no need for you to write a letter to anyone.
FOX is right about this.
Just make sure you teach your daughter the importance of hard work, so that she does not feel entitled to everything just because she breaths oxygen.
July 6th, 2007 at 5:30 pmComment by RUCerious — July 6, 2007 @ 5:28 pm
Possibly.
July 6th, 2007 at 5:30 pmbut at least we know what’s good for themâ€.
Comment by Frank M
Its because you have hitched your wagon to Mr. Bush’s star and you have a failure complex. You thought Bush was good for you. You thought Iraq would work out well. You thought lots of things which turned out absolutely wrong. Assisting the helpless is what progressives do.
July 6th, 2007 at 5:31 pmOK, now I’m starting to think Frankie is a parody troll…
before I sue you for internet harrassment or liabel?
You have no right to say I’m homo.
You can’t make shit like this up~~!!
July 6th, 2007 at 5:31 pmI haven’t actually read the study
Comment by Rosencrantz
Yet you offer your opinion on something you are ignorant of?
July 6th, 2007 at 5:32 pm#101 Mr. President
Like I said, he is kind of a pussy.
Well, then you have to ask the question, “What kind of a man would beat up on a dead pussy?”
Perhaps someone who doesn’t have the guts to beat up on a live pussy? That’s pretty sad.
July 6th, 2007 at 5:32 pmYou have no right to say I’m homo.
Why is it that right-wingers inevitably choose as leaders “daddy types” to protect them from evil? Can’t they take care of themselves?
Sounds kind of gay to me, Frank.
July 6th, 2007 at 5:34 pm- but at least we know what’s good for themâ€.
Comment by Frank M
Jeff Gannon knows what’s good for you, Frank.
July 6th, 2007 at 5:35 pmComment by chimpeach — July 6, 2007 @ 5:32 pm
You moron.
That’s like saying “Someone who thinks that Hitler’s philosophy is dangerous, is a coward. Because Hitler is not here to defend himself!”
Good Lord, you Lefties are dumb.
July 6th, 2007 at 5:36 pmMr. President’s guide to child-rearing: “Tell your children they are ordinary, every day, in every way. They are nothing special, and deserve nothing. Pound it into their little skulls.”
It must suck to be you, Mr P.
July 6th, 2007 at 5:37 pmMr Pee, please examine your feet.
July 6th, 2007 at 5:38 pmYour shoes are on the wrong feet and someone has tied your shoelaces together.
I’m just going to ignore following people from now on: chimpeach, Wayne and Arthur C.
July 6th, 2007 at 5:39 pm#115, even more like,
July 6th, 2007 at 5:39 pmtake your kids for a ride in the car, then leave them in the parking lot while you get drunk at the bar.
Who is Jeff Gannon?
July 6th, 2007 at 5:40 pm#114 Mr. President
That’s like saying “Someone who thinks that Hitler’s philosophy is dangerous, is a coward. Because Hitler is not here to defend himself!â€
Good Lord, you Lefties are dumb.
Sorry. I forgot about Mr. Rogers killing six million Jews.
Hit him again! I think he just flinched!
July 6th, 2007 at 5:40 pmWhy is it that right-wingers inevitably choose as leaders “daddy types†to protect them from evil? Can’t they take care of themselves?
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My congressman is William Jefferson. He should throw his hat into the ring for the presidency.
July 6th, 2007 at 5:40 pmWell, now Frank j/m and Jake have ignore lists.
July 6th, 2007 at 5:40 pmCome on, how effing transparent do you have to be Jake/Frank/j/m…
You have no right to say I’m homo.—-Frank M
Awww, ya’ll made Frank cry…..
July 6th, 2007 at 5:42 pmPoor baby.
I don’t think Frank M is Jake. He’s just too stupid to be even Jake in disguise.
July 6th, 2007 at 5:42 pmPerhaps they could have a go at mother Teresa next.
July 6th, 2007 at 5:42 pmPlease don’t deny your Beau on the internets, Jake/Frank.
July 6th, 2007 at 5:43 pmJeff won’t give you any more head if you’re a bad boy.
Just make sure you teach your daughter the importance of hard work, so that she does not feel entitled to everything just because she breaths oxygen.
Comment by Mr. President — July 6, 2007 @ 5:30 pm
You sound like a trust fund baby yourself…
July 6th, 2007 at 5:43 pmI haven’t actually read the study so I can’t comment on whether or not Mr. Roger’s was named or referenced.
Comment by Rosencrantz
Kids probably are being raised with some sense of entitlement, it’s been part of our culture for a while — I’m not saying it’s right, just saying it’s fact.
PARENTS have the greatest effect on their children, not Mr Rogers for 1/2 hour a day.
The War on Mr Rogers is totally bogus.
July 6th, 2007 at 5:43 pmStinkyBreeches, yer probably right, but it’s a wierd coincidence that they both now have Ignor(ant) lists.
July 6th, 2007 at 5:44 pmMr. Rodgers gave his young audience Respect for themselves and their unique personal worth. You are all Loveable and Capable was his message.
July 6th, 2007 at 5:45 pmWhat’s the alternative.??Cartoons with Super-powered hero’s who Blast Away the Evil ones. Sounds like a recipe for willing cannon fodder to me.
Frank M. gets his undies in a bunch when he’s called gay, but doesn’t object to being called a bedwetting bootlicker. That speaks volumes about these rightwing nutjobs.
July 6th, 2007 at 5:46 pmI’m just going to ignore following people from now on: chimpeach, Wayne and Arthur C.
Comment by Frank M
Well golly gee. I made it on a troll’s ignore list.
July 6th, 2007 at 5:46 pmIsn’t that special.
whooptiedo.
You have no right to say I’m homo.—-Frank M
Actually, I think I do. I’ll have to check to be sure, but I think the First Amendment is still there.
That’s why Mann Coulter gets to call everyone a “fag”. And we get to hear a transsexual skank calling everyone a “fag”.
July 6th, 2007 at 5:46 pmBadger, how bout Coyotes that chase roadrunners all over the desert and wind up with anvils falling on them?
July 6th, 2007 at 5:46 pm#132 Wayne
Well golly gee. I made it on a troll’s ignore list.
Isn’t that special.
whooptiedo.
It’s a red letter day for me.
July 6th, 2007 at 5:46 pmJust make sure you teach your daughter the importance of hard work, so that she does not feel entitled to everything just because she breaths oxygen.
Comment by Mr. President — July 6, 2007 @ 5:30 pm
Oh my god, I can’t stop laughing!!
That is an hysterically stunning statement coming from YOU.
Amazing….
July 6th, 2007 at 5:47 pmCareful, Chimpeach, your liable to get sued for libel, so quick, grab your Bible.
July 6th, 2007 at 5:47 pmI don’t think Frank M is Jake. He’s just too stupid to be even Jake in disguise.
Comment by StinkyBritches — July 6, 2007 @ 5:42 pm
Don’t discount the plummeting mental capacity of all of the trolls. Something’s up — maybe they got this batch of Kool-Aid from China or something, but there’s some kind of delerium that’s infecting all of them. Maybe Frank really is Jake and he is just getting stupider by the day.
July 6th, 2007 at 5:48 pmThe first thing I thought of when I saw this about entitled weenies I thought of the atheist armageddon blog.
Then I read about King Fetus and thought about how many parents break into a sirens wail when their precious dennis menace prodigies arent skritched behind the ear while having a golden star pasted to their foreheads to wear prouldly home.
After these thoughts bounced around the cerebral cortex at light speed…the blur cleared.
Mr Rogers didn’t teach these kids such college genius as beer bonging and taking a few wobbly laps on the peddle and puke trail before the educated spigots drained perfectly good liquid granola at their parents expense on the manicured grounds.
They simply mimic their elders!
July 6th, 2007 at 5:48 pmThis is unbelievable on so many levels.
Even my mom the Republican loved Mr. Rogers.
And hey that sense of entitlement has nothing to do w/Mr. Rogers or regarding children as “special” in and of themselves (e.g. the inherent worth and dignity of every person, including little persons). It has to do with teaching them how to earn things, and that we are all good at different things but not so good at others. That’s life. But Mr. Rogers hardly transmitted a sense of entitlement.
And speaking of entitlement and a group of people for whom there seem to be no consequences: look no farther than the neo-cons in the Bush Administration.
These people are just so psychologically twisted on so many levels.
July 6th, 2007 at 5:49 pmPicking on a dead man to justify your stupid argument is utterly tasteless.
July 6th, 2007 at 5:50 pmya know it’s bad enough that this crack pot from down south wrote this shit but even worse that fox is spreading his message of hate for both my entire generation and a kindly Minister who spent his life try to make the world a better place.
It’s official, Fox hates Christians who don’t walk lockstep with Pat Robertson et al.
July 6th, 2007 at 5:51 pmYou would think FOX could find time for something other than hate.
July 6th, 2007 at 5:51 pmAh yes, Mr. Rogers killed our meritocracy. This from the folks who put Regent Law School graduates in the Department of Justice.
July 6th, 2007 at 5:51 pm#141 Not Canadian
Picking on a dead man to justify your stupid argument is utterly tasteless.
I think they’ve probably beaten the strawman so much he’s disintegrated, so they’re going after the dead now.
July 6th, 2007 at 5:53 pmComment by RUCerious — July 6, 2007 @ 5:46 pm
Ok. you got me. There ARE other alternatives. You won’t get me to criticize a genious animator like Chuck Jones.
By the way…have you seen the ICE AGE Movies with the prehistoric raccon creature chasing the acorn??? Definitely an hommage to Mr. Jones and his Coyote.
July 6th, 2007 at 5:54 pmMaybe Frank really is Jake and he is just getting stupider by the day.
That is certainly possible. I still find it strange that Jake – posting under another nickname and knowing that ignore-lists are typical of the original Jake – would bring up ignore lists in such a blatantly obvious way.
July 6th, 2007 at 5:55 pmTelling a child he/she is special and worth something is not the same as telling a child he/she is entitled to everything he/she wants. Mr. Rogers didn’t spoil children, he validated them. There’s a big difference. I never once saw Mr. Rogers tell children that they need to beg for what they didn’t earn.
Children get far more of their sense of entitlement from another part of television — advertising. Further enhanced by parents who can’t say no to anything.
Fox never really had much of a grip, but they are losing what tenuous hold on reality they ever had by broadcasting stuff like this and the claim that universal health care breeds terrorism. What’s next — recycling newspapers leads to atheism?
July 6th, 2007 at 5:57 pmWe should not have grades because that will make the children that are not as bright feel bad, and every child is special and important in their own way. We cannot hurt their fragile egos with trivial things such as grades and rewarding achievement. School is to learn about your fellow man, not find out who is best or smartest.
July 6th, 2007 at 5:58 pmThis is beyond belief. This shows their craveness clearly, and it doesn’t speak well of the trolls here either. If they are so desperate that they have to attack Mr Rogers, then there is nothing anyone can say to them that will make any difference. They are lower than whale shit in the Mariannas trench, and that is low.
July 6th, 2007 at 5:59 pmOh my god, I can’t stop laughing!!
Comment by Zooey
Yeah, PiPpy’s drivel was hilarious
July 6th, 2007 at 5:59 pmFunniest thing is I think he was trying to be serious. =D
Comment by missmolly — July 6, 2007 @ 5:57 pm
You’ve said it best.
July 6th, 2007 at 6:00 pmBadger, indeed, and it’s one of my faves.
July 6th, 2007 at 6:01 pmDefinitely an hommage to Mr. Jones and his Coyote.
Comment by Badger
I likened the movie to biblical texts. Fear, Floods, False Prophets, Materialism, The Tree of life (the nut) And the ever receding goal to find out what God [sometimes called Nut] and life is all about.
In the end the prehistoric Squirrel/Raccoon almost grasp what he so desired, only to be brought back to life and to begin all over again.
July 6th, 2007 at 6:04 pmwell it’s been a fun troll bashing, but I have a gig to play tonight, Later all
July 6th, 2007 at 6:04 pmIt actually wasn’t Fox News that did this study it was done by the professor at LSU, and they are just reprorting on it.
July 6th, 2007 at 6:08 pmI wonder if Mr. Rogers has ever had sex.
July 6th, 2007 at 6:08 pmThis is too much.
July 6th, 2007 at 6:10 pmIt isn’t like school should be about the learning, now is it?
What’s wrong with allowing a student to work a little harder at something they need practice with to cement some learning in place.
It’s not like they’re not ‘earning’ the extra credit.
No, it’s about you, the almighty instructor, with the godlike power of issuing grades.
Comment by RUCerious
Why should some student get an extra opportunity to raise their grade. What about the students that earned the higher grade based on the work assigned? Doesn’t that do them a dis-severice and watering down their achievement? What about the students that don’t complain and whine to get their grade raised? Why should only the complainers get another chance?
July 6th, 2007 at 6:11 pmIt actually wasn’t Fox News that did this study it was done by the professor at LSU, and they are just reprorting on it.
Comment by timmy — July 6, 2007 @ 6:08 pm
Actually, Timmeh, Fox’s Brian Kilmeade said “that man unintentionally did a whole generation or two a disservice.â€
So they commented on it as well as reporting it.
Not a good start, Timmeh. Why don’t you just go back to whatever troll ID you were getting beaten under before, and save “Timmeh” until he can start fresh, huh?
July 6th, 2007 at 6:11 pmYeah Molly called it.
Next thread.
July 6th, 2007 at 6:12 pm#156: It actually wasn’t Fox News that did this study
I’m clear on that, junior. I’m talking about what a stupid editorial decison it was on the part of those soulless blowhards at Fox to feature it as if it is legitimate scholarly research. It isn’t.
July 6th, 2007 at 6:12 pmI wonder if Mr. Rogers has ever had sex.
Comment by dogtrottors
Since there is a Mrs Rogers and their two children, I think it’s say to say YES.
July 6th, 2007 at 6:13 pmI’m clear on that, junior. I’m talking about what a stupid editorial decison it was on the part of those soulless blowhards at Fox to feature it as if it is legitimate scholarly research. It isn’t.
Comment by Arthur C
The Wall Street Journal reported on it to, are you upset with them to?
July 6th, 2007 at 6:15 pmThis is what I’ve got say to that, care of Richard Thompson (c) 1988
Richard Thompson
° Can’t Win °
I started to cry, they put gin in my cup
I started to crawl, and they swaddled me up
I got up and run, they said “Easy, son,
Play up, play the game”
They told me to think and forget what I’d heard
They told me to lie and they questioned my word
They told me to fail, better sink than sail,
Just play the game
Oh, towers will tumble and locusts will visit the land
Oh, a curse on your house and your children and the fruit of your hand
They said “You can’t win. You can’t win.
You sweat blood. You give in.
You can’t win. You can’t win.
Turn the cheek. Take it on the chin.
Don’t you dare do this. Don’t you dare do that”
We shoot down dreams, we stiletto in the back
Oh the nerve of some people, the nerve of some people,
The nerve of some
I don’t know who you think you are, who you think you are
Oh what kind of mother would hamstring her sons?
Throw sand in their eyes and put ice on their tongues
Ah better to leave than stay here and grieve
And play the game
Don’t waken the dead as you sleepwalk around
If you have a dream, brother, hush, not a sound
Just stand there and rust, die if you must
But play the game
Oh, if we can’t have it, why should a wretch like you?
Oh, it was drilled in our heads, now we drill it into your head too.
They said “You can’t win. You can’t win.
July 6th, 2007 at 6:15 pmYou sweat blood. You give in.
You can’t win. You can’t win.
Turn the cheek. Take it on the chin.
Don’t you dare do this. Don’t you dare do that”
We shoot down dreams, we stiletto in the back
Oh, the nerve of some people, the nerve of some people,
The nerve of some people
I don’t know who you think you are
The nerve of some people, the nerve of some people
The nerve of some people, the nerve of some people
The nerve of some people, the nerve of some people
The nerve of some people, the nerve of some people
The Wall Street Journal reported on it to, are you upset with them to?
Of course I am, dumbass. Do you believe everything you read in WSJ?
July 6th, 2007 at 6:16 pmI likened the movie to biblical texts
Comment by Jane Imhotte — July 6, 2007 @ 6:04 pm
I definitely picked up on that too, particularly in the Second Movie.
July 6th, 2007 at 6:16 pmMaybe they realized that the characters were from over 6000 years ago….a touchy subject for SOME movie goers…and were striving for Balance.
I was more delighted by their animation skills than their story line, but that raccoon in acorn heaven was priceless.
Sorry to all for going off topic.
Of course I am, dumbass. Do you believe everything you read in WSJ?
Comment by Arthur C
Then why only bring up Fox News?
July 6th, 2007 at 6:20 pmdear timmy —
July 6th, 2007 at 6:22 pmthe extra credit is available for all students who want to take advantage of doing some extra work.
Well.. they have a point about expectation.
The grade inflation at Harvard is just hilarious. I had harder classes in high school.
July 6th, 2007 at 6:25 pmUsing Mr. Rogers as the reason of spoiled ungrateful children with feelings of entitlement such as myself is quite an oversimplification of the issue, but I’m glad that it isn’t only me who feels so special without any justification to feel that way.
I hated that show as a child, such a bore, and it was rather creepy to me as well.
July 6th, 2007 at 6:25 pmdear timmy —
the extra credit is available for all students who want to take advantage of doing some extra work.
Comment by Cpt. Crepitus
In what case? The professor here is talking about students that are not happy with their grades so they beg for some extra credit? He is not referring to extra credit available and outlined in the syllabus. Read the article, the study was because students thought they deserved more than their grade said, so they petitioned for a higher grade via extra credit.
July 6th, 2007 at 6:27 pmDear CNN,
Are you sure this is the “news” network that you want to emulate? I mean, seriously.
It’s Mr. Roger’s fault now? What a bunch of temper tantrum, whiny little brats these NeoCons are.
July 6th, 2007 at 6:29 pmYes, because kids used to accept bad grades with stiff upper lip and renewed sense of determination.
This is a new low.
These people are sick.
July 6th, 2007 at 6:30 pmTake a look at the great man that Fox “News” is smearing:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Rogers
July 6th, 2007 at 6:30 pmAre you sure this is the “news†network that you want to emulate? I mean, seriously.
It’s Mr. Roger’s fault now? What a bunch of temper tantrum, whiny little brats these NeoCons are.
Comment by Null
Fox News was only reporting on the study that first appeared in the Wall Street Journal by a professor at LSU.
July 6th, 2007 at 6:31 pmOh and comment #148 – Whoa, missmolly, could you kindly stop making sense? As per the recent BushCo memo, that’s a sign of being unAmerican.
July 6th, 2007 at 6:33 pm….students thought they deserved more than their grade said, so they petitioned for a higher grade via extra credit.
Comment by timmy
Please stop whining timmy, it’s very unattractive.
BTW, last I looked petitioning for extra credit requires a yes or no answer. They could have been turned down.
July 6th, 2007 at 6:34 pmThen why only bring up Fox News?
Fox News happens to be the subject of this thread, kid.
The Wall Street Journal reported on it to…
No, it was the subject of an Op-Ed piece in WSJ. Until you learn to distinguish the difference between reporting and op-ed, maybe you should keep yer juvenile maw shut.
July 6th, 2007 at 6:34 pmAnd what a NEWSWORTHY piece that was!! My God, how did we ever live without it. So Timmy, did you learn to consistently make excuses for other people’s bad/crappy/inconsiderate behavior from watching too much Fox News?
July 6th, 2007 at 6:36 pmActually, Timmeh, Fox’s Brian Kilmeade said “that man unintentionally did a whole generation or two a disservice.â€
So they commented on it as well as reporting it.
Not a good start, Timmeh. Why don’t you just go back to whatever troll ID you were getting beaten under before, and save “Timmeh†until he can start fresh, huh?
Comment by spit take
Yes, Brian Kilmeade gave his opinion on the study done by a professor. I don’t see your point.
July 6th, 2007 at 6:37 pmWanting American oil companies to have access to oil under the Iraqi sands, is not believing in a sense of entitlement?
If there were more Mr Rogers on television, many more people would understand that!
July 6th, 2007 at 6:39 pmPlease stop whining timmy, it’s very unattractive.
BTW, last I looked petitioning for extra credit requires a yes or no answer. They could have been turned down.
Comment by Zooey
Why should the professor or teacher have to hear all the extra whining? Don’t they have enough to do?
July 6th, 2007 at 6:39 pmFox News was only reporting on the study that first appeared in the Wall Street Journal by a professor at LSU.
Comment by timmy — July 6, 2007 @ 6:31 pm
Timmeh, you obviously skipped over the post where I pointed out that Faux news didn’t “just report” on the study — Faux host Brian Kilmeade claimed that Mr. Rogers “did generations of kids a disservice”. That’s more than “just reporting” — that’s commentary.
If you insist on trying to argue, at least try to do it like a grownup — don’t distort, especially after your distortions have been exposed already. It makes you look stupid.
July 6th, 2007 at 6:40 pmAt the risk of repeating myself, timmy: it was a stupid editorial decison at Fox to feature it as if it is legitimate scholarly research. It isn’t. Don Chance is a finance professor at LSU, not a childhood development expert.
July 6th, 2007 at 6:41 pmTimmeh, do you understand the distinction between reporting and opinion?
I didn’t think so.
July 6th, 2007 at 6:42 pmFox News happens to be the subject of this thread, kid.
The Wall Street Journal reported on it to…
No, it was the subject of an Op-Ed piece in WSJ. Until you learn to distinguish the difference between reporting and op-ed, maybe you should keep yer juvenile maw shut.
Comment by Arthur C.
There is no difference in this case, it was a short little story on Fox News where the newscasters gave their opinions. What is the op part mean in op-ed (oh ya opinion!).
July 6th, 2007 at 6:42 pmWow, you repukians are sure showing what kind of scum you are….just look at their posts.
YOU REPUKES ARE SICK, SICK NEANDERTHALS.
July 6th, 2007 at 6:42 pmThere is no difference in this case, it was a short little story on Fox News where the newscasters gave their opinions. What is the op part mean in op-ed (oh ya opinion!).
Comment by timmy — July 6, 2007 @ 6:42 pm
I don’t understand your point.
Do you recognize a distinction between reporting and opinion?
Of course not, you’re a Faux News defender.
July 6th, 2007 at 6:44 pmTimmeh, you obviously skipped over the post where I pointed out that Faux news didn’t “just report†on the study — Faux host Brian Kilmeade claimed that Mr. Rogers “did generations of kids a disserviceâ€. That’s more than “just reporting†— that’s commentary.
If you insist on trying to argue, at least try to do it like a grownup — don’t distort, especially after your distortions have been exposed already. It makes you look stupid.
Comment by spit take
So newscasters can not give their opinion? There was also an opinion on the newscast that did not agree with the study, did you miss that part?
July 6th, 2007 at 6:44 pmI don’t understand your point.
Do you recognize a distinction between reporting and opinion?
Of course not, you’re a Faux News defender.
Comment by spit take
Yes they reported the findings of the study and then gave their opinions, nothing wrong with that.
July 6th, 2007 at 6:45 pmWill somebody please report this as obscene to the FCC? That way they’ll have to investigate Faux News. How insane are they? I never cared for the show, but it was obvious that Mr. Rodgers truly cared for children. Why not blame the Three Stooges for violence in society? How can anybody at Faux even participate in this charade? What ‘Professor’ came up with this report? Did the Skipper and Gilligan provide extra input?
July 6th, 2007 at 6:47 pmThere is no difference in this case
You’re trying to avoid my point: you said WSJ “reported on it.” They didn’t. You lied, or you are ignorant of the distinction between reportage and op-ed. That’s very lazy thinking, kid.
If this was debate class, I would definitely flunk you.
July 6th, 2007 at 6:48 pmYou’re trying to avoid my point: you said WSJ “reported on it.†They didn’t. You lied, or you are ignorant of the distinction between reportage and op-ed. That’s very lazy thinking, kid.
If this was debate class, I would definitely flunk you.
Comment by Arthur C
I would just whine and complain for a higher grade. OPed pieces accomplish the same thing as reporting something. The public is aware of this study because of the Wall Street Journal.
July 6th, 2007 at 6:52 pmJust make sure you teach your daughter the importance of hard work, so that she does not feel entitled to everything just because she breaths oxygen.
Comment by Mr. President
Hard work like sitting at your keyboard copying reich wing talking points. And if their’s a poster who has delusions about his own self worth and importance it’s you buddy boy and your little friend CT too.
In fact, it’s parents of children like you who don’t teach their children that they’re not better than everybody else that are the problem. Mabe you should talk to your mother and ask her why she let you believe that you are MORE SPECIAL than everybody else.
July 6th, 2007 at 6:55 pmUTTTERLY PATHETIC TO BEAT UP ON MISTER ROGERS!! Yet, cheney’s White House Scooter-pie walks after being convicted??!!! Who are the real coddlers with golden parachutes?!
July 6th, 2007 at 6:56 pmYes they reported the findings of the study and then gave their opinions, nothing wrong with that.
Comment by timmy — July 6, 2007 @ 6:45 pm
But you said “Fox News was only reporting on the study that first appeared in the Wall Street Journal by a professor at LSU.”
That is wrong. Simple point.
July 6th, 2007 at 6:59 pmOPed pieces accomplish the same thing as reporting something
F in debate
July 6th, 2007 at 6:59 pmF in critical thinking
F in civics
F in debate
F in critical thinking
F in civics
Comment by Arthur C.
I guess if you are happy with your grades I won’t fight you. Better luck next time.
July 6th, 2007 at 7:02 pmOK timmie, schools out, get home and start on your assignment, 500 words on “the nature of critical thinking”.
July 6th, 2007 at 7:05 pmWhy should the professor or teacher have to hear all the extra whining? Don’t they have enough to do?
Comment by timmy
The prof can say no, and put a stop to the whining.
Why do we have to hear your whining?
July 6th, 2007 at 7:06 pmWhy should the professor or teacher have to hear all the extra whining? Don’t they have enough to do?
Comment by timmy
The prof can say no, and put a stop to the whining.
Why do we have to hear your whining?
Comment by Zooey
Gee, timmy whines just like CT. Maybe all troll whining sounds alike.
July 6th, 2007 at 7:13 pmGee, timmy whines just like CT. Maybe all troll whining sounds alike.
Comment by shane
It all runs together!
Did DRxJ get ahold of you?
July 6th, 2007 at 7:18 pmComment by shane
Zooey must be used to the feeling of a hot coal up her bum, because your head has been up there for quite some time.
(Reminder: you have a haggy orgy with ‘TripMaster Monkey,’ and ‘DRxJ.’ tonight at 9:30pm.)
Just going by your logic, granny. Keep mouthin’ off.
July 6th, 2007 at 7:26 pmIf Mr. Rodgers were a Catholic, there would be a St. Fred by now. Come on, Fox.
What would you rather have your kids watch? I suppose they would like more programs out there telling kids that if you aren’t rich or good-looking or smart, then you’re pretty much f***ed. How would that have affected America’s youth?
July 6th, 2007 at 7:31 pmInteresting. I always thought the religious right were in favor of sacrificing all of our civil rights and first amendment rights for the sake of “protecting the children” (mass censorship of boobies in the media and the net). I guess kiddies aren’t special after all! lol
July 6th, 2007 at 7:37 pmShane,
You come on and insult me after I have left already.
Why?
July 6th, 2007 at 7:52 pmJust going by your logic, granny. Keep mouthin’ off.
Comment by CT_V1 — July 6, 2007 @ 7:26 pm
Nice one CT, extra credit for you. Maybe your talents are being wasted behind a keyboard. We’ve got to find a way to get you there and put your winning personality to better use…
July 6th, 2007 at 7:55 pm“Because Mr. Rogers had an optimistic message where everyone was special even if they didn’t deserve it.â€
What the hell kind of nonsense is that?
Fox news has just lost the last little bit of respect I had for them.
Fox News : Eat a dick.
July 6th, 2007 at 7:57 pmaddenda
July 6th, 2007 at 7:59 pm…get you out there…
OMG, it’s a sense of “entitlement” to want to believe that we are special. These guys are really sick. They seriously need psychiatric help.
July 6th, 2007 at 8:02 pmYou come on and insult me after I have left already. Why?
How would anybody even know you left, you narcissistic twit? Maybe he thought you were stuffing your face with Krispy-Kremes to console your sorry self after being soundly ridiculed here earlier.
July 6th, 2007 at 8:03 pm#3 “Well, he is kind of a pussy!
Comment by Mr. President ”
Why is he a pussy? Because he isn’t a manly man like you who wants to go around blowing people up?
Give me a man who is a “pussy” any time over a “macho man”. Thank you very much!
July 6th, 2007 at 8:04 pmI don’t know about you, but all the kids wheedling an extra grade point who I knew in high school and university were NOT the types to have watched Mr Rogers.
I paid little attention to my marks. (I was an B+ student.) That was because I didn’t have any scholarships or entrance applications dependent upon my maintaining a certain average.
Marks, like Diebold voting, is highly suspect. Do they really assess a student’s comprehension or crreativity? No. Our elementary schools and high schools have been ruined by standardized tests as the teachers teach to the tests. (Think about it: Tests test only what’s on the test and so it represents only a razor thin slice of the course material.)
Of course, I know why the neo-con freak over marks. Marks maintain the elitist nature of post-secondary education. (BTW, I’d also note that the whiners about marks all tended to be in upper income brackets in my experience.)
Marking was invented in the mid-19th century when the idea of turning out grads like link sausage came to educators. It had little to do with the quality of education or maintaining standards. Marks were meant to justify the tuition charge. And courses were created to provide testable stages.
Unfortunately, outside of mathematics and chemistry and physics, there is hardly a subject in school that isn’t tainted by subjectivity. Sadly, I don’t think Americans value subjectivity or creativity or learning for the sake of learning.
Mr Rogers did not teach entitlement. He taught creativity, curiosity, and the willingness to embrace our emotional side. Neo-cons can’t handle these concepts because they’re anti-fascist.
July 6th, 2007 at 8:06 pmOf course, what do you expect from a bunch of self – entitled whackjobs. In their eyes they’re the one’s that are “special,” read rich because they deserve it, and somehow the uniqueness of others treads on that.
July 6th, 2007 at 8:08 pmI paid little attention to my marks. (I was an B+ student.)
Comment by david — July 6, 2007 @ 8:06 pm
Y’ don’t say?
July 6th, 2007 at 8:10 pmZooey must be used to the feeling of a hot coal up her bum, because your head has been up there for quite some time.
Comment by CT_V1
That’s real special, CT. Thanks for bringing me into your stupid fight for absolutely no reason.
If you want it to go that way, I’ll stop being polite to you, m’kay?
July 6th, 2007 at 8:11 pmFox noise has dropped to an all time low….. Where are they going to be after ‘08…’09? By then they will have no audience, but corporate media will continue to keep them in business.
July 6th, 2007 at 8:13 pmRe #216:
People who live in grass houses shouldn’t throw lawnmowers, Mr P.
see #106: Mr President: “because she breaths oxygen.”
I guess you meant “breathes.”
…
July 6th, 2007 at 8:16 pmComment by Arthur C. — July 6, 2007 @ 8:16 pm
I would only be living in a glass house if I had claimed intellectual superiority.
I did not, so no glass house here.
July 6th, 2007 at 8:18 pmIf post 216 wasn’t meant as a snarky comment about the original writer’s grammar, then Mr P. tell me, what was your point?
Besides the one on your dunce cap, I mean.
July 6th, 2007 at 8:21 pmComment by Arthur C. — July 6, 2007 @ 8:21 pm
It was. But I never claimed to live in a glass house, so I can throw all the stones I pleese.
Sew kan yew!
July 6th, 2007 at 8:25 pmComment by david — July 6, 2007 @ 8:06 pm
Great post… Thanks…
July 6th, 2007 at 8:25 pmErratum: post #222)
last line should read -
“Sew Cannes yew!”
July 6th, 2007 at 8:26 pmMr President, I certainly recognize you as the wheedling type who’d be at the teacher’s elbow pleading for an extra mark. It’s the psychological problem that has you taking the moniker Mr President instead of something more realistic, say, Dork Dung.
Something tells me you’re a wash out as a student. I myself would have been an A+ student, but I kept taking oddball and killer elective such as Medieval Jewish History, Ancient Greek, and Mediaeval Art History. (The last I thought might be easy, but, boy, it was a killer course which had me reading the Bible, mythology and dozens of art critics.)
Why are you posting on this thread Mr Prez? I didn’t think you were the Mr Rogers type. No, I can see you watching the Teletubbies while high as a kite, but not anything vaguely human.
July 6th, 2007 at 8:27 pmComment by Zooey
It wasn’t meant as an insult, Zooey. I know it did hit close to home, but that ’shane’ specimen needs to ignore all of my postings for one, because I take no interest in hers.
TP needs to ban her already. She’s a troll in her own home.
July 6th, 2007 at 8:27 pmYes, let’s email TP to ban shane!
July 6th, 2007 at 8:30 pmComment by Mr. President
So, what’s the deal with this Katie-Konspirator-Kook? Her posts are mind-numbingly stupid.
July 6th, 2007 at 8:31 pmY’ don’t say?
Comment by Mr. President
What’s your GPA?
July 6th, 2007 at 8:46 pmCT_V1 and Mr President are exchanging notes as if they were two different people. How cute! I bet he studied roleplaying in Drama 101.
Poor Mr President is annoyed with Katie and Shane because they make sense. And he sure as heck didn’t learn any manners from Mr Rogers.
I’d say you really are grasping at straws MR P. Truth is, many profs do tell their students how they can hit at certain grade point during a term, but the students who wheedle show up at the end of term and simply want the marks changed. I know a lovely prof who is happy to proof essays before they are due and offer revision notes.
Now, I’d proof this post for typos, but I hate doing it in the panel and TP doesn’t offer a preview function. Still, I know you’ll bring every failure to make my verbs agree or my numerous misspellings to my attention. The fact that TP really is like the morning mist and evaporates into nothingness by the afternoon really makes that effort seem pointless. Eh?
July 6th, 2007 at 8:46 pmCT,
She didn’t want people to read this:
BBC
July 2007 news from Britain:
Three young men (Hassain Maji, Kolami Ashad, Elihom Hakmad) tried to blow up a double-decker bus today in London.
May 2007 news from Britain:
Five young men (Khalid Khaliq, Muhammad Naeem Noor Khan, Mohammad Sidique Khan, Hasib Hussain,Shaqi Hassamak were on trial for attempting to blow up with explosives the Piccadilly Line in London
London authorities where trying to determine the reason for these recent attacks. Some fear that gridlock and poor service by the public transportation system here is responsible for causing these horrendous attacks. Officials are looking into making the mass transit more user friendly to prevent future complaints.
Comment by Flaco — July 6, 2007 @ 6:38 pm
July 6th, 2007 at 8:47 pmZooey,
3.6
July 6th, 2007 at 8:48 pmIt wasn’t meant as an insult, Zooey. I know it did hit close to home, but that ’shane’ specimen needs to ignore all of my postings for one, because I take no interest in hers.
Don’t bring me into your stupid fights, CT. You can find a way to insult someone without using my name or my ass. Got it?
TP needs to ban her already. She’s a troll in her own home.
Comment by CT_V1
You have no room to talk about trollish behavior or banning.
July 6th, 2007 at 8:48 pmwrong again davie,
We are two separate entities.
July 6th, 2007 at 8:49 pm# Heather: and just what makes all children “special�
Comment by Frank M — July 6, 2007 @ 4:53 pm
May be too late for anyone to read this…
July 6th, 2007 at 8:51 pmFrank M is this really so hard to understand? All children hold the hope of what we will be as a species. They hold the hope for the next generation and what we will become as the human race. They hold the history and stories of their ancestors, their teachings, hopes and dreams for the future, and each one of these stories is unique. This uniqueness is what is special about humans. We aren’t all the same. Our diversity makes us a dynamic thriving species. Each child has the potential to do something that inspires a generation and improves life for us all. Each child carries the potential to achieve something great (even if that greatness is as simple as raising children that are kind reasonable neighbors when they grow into adults). Each child carries the untarnished potentiality of humanity. We as adults get set in our ways. Children can create a new and better world. This makes them special.
Great work trolls CT and Mr P… I like the strategy of ganging up on the women. Makes a Troll proud. Just remember, it’s VERY SPECIAL TO BE A TROLL, LA LA… And yes, there’ll be an extra shit sandwich in each of your lunch pails tomorrow
July 6th, 2007 at 8:51 pmAren’t kids allowed to have the innocence? I say let them be kids for awhile before throwing all of these real world issues at them. Personally I’m thankful for everything Mr Rogers did.
July 6th, 2007 at 8:51 pmTypical of the Murdoch Media, “Fox and Friends” broadcast a brutally deceptive message in describing Fred Rogers as having “damaged a generation or two”.
Fred Rogers was an ordained minister whose special ministry was outreach to children through his creative broadcasts over what was then a novel medium, television. His programs brought a nuanced sophistication to children’s programming that was far removed from the standard contemporary fare of cartoons and clowns. They incorporated psychological insights, complex music, role playing, repetition and calm reassurance. He pioneered what is now an industry.
Through more than three decades, Fred Rogers helped children become more secure in themselves and more able to handle what life threw at them. He couldn’t change the world or the fate life had in store for each of us, but he left us more aware of how beautiful we and it could be. One day, one act at a time. Among the anecdotes shared after his death was this one. Thieves once stole Mr. Rogers’ car from a downtown parking lot. On finding his director’s chair in the trunk and learning whose car they had stolen, the thieves washed and detailed it and returned it to the lot the next day with a “Thank You” note to Mr. Rogers.
What’s most obvious about the commentators on “Fox and Friends” is that had they watched more of Mr. Rogers, they might still work for Fox, but every now and again they might tell the truth, rather than mangle it.
July 6th, 2007 at 8:53 pmComment by david
Actually, ’shane’ is cantankerous fool who needs a prescription pad worth of pills. She has nothing to offer. She admits with foul-language and name-calling that she has lost the argument before it even begins.
July 6th, 2007 at 8:56 pmComment by Mr. President — July 6, 2007 @ 8:47 pm
Bullshit
3.6
Comment by Mr. President
So why are you making snide remarks to david, since you have a similar GPA?
My GPA is 4.0
July 6th, 2007 at 8:57 pm#226: It wasn’t meant as an insult, Zooey. I know it did hit close to home, but that ’shane’ specimen needs to ignore all of my postings for one, because I take no interest in hers. TP needs to ban her already. She’s a troll in her own home.
SO, what exactly was it that shane said that, in your tiny mind, justifies abusing Zooey? All shane ever said was that you are a whiner.
In return, you smear… Zooey!
Have you apologized yet, you whiny little shit?
July 6th, 2007 at 8:59 pmActually, ’shane’ is cantankerous fool who needs a prescription pad worth of pills. She has nothing to offer. She admits with foul-language and name-calling that she has lost the argument before it even begins.
Comment by CT_V1
That’s not true, it’s merely your perception of her. You don’t get to dictate the other person’s behavior, only your own.
July 6th, 2007 at 8:59 pmComment by Overtroll7
Ahh, yes. The ________ist card. Here’s the formula in sentence form:
Female berates male, male shouldn’t respond out of “gender sensitivity.”
Male responds, male is a ______ist, an _______ist, to the _______izzle. Wolf crying continues.
Grow a pair and close your sociology text, dolt. You should have finished your assignment hours ago.
July 6th, 2007 at 8:59 pmZooey,
No particular reason.
July 6th, 2007 at 8:59 pm———————————————————
Be careful not to throw any stones then…
So, CT, you think Shane is a cantakerous fool who has nothing to offer???
I dunno. I read this and was impressed:
I pretty much captured my thoughts on the subject.
My congrats to Mr P. 3.6 beats my 3.45. Clearly you are well versed in sucking up to the profs. What was your best wheedling excuse???
July 6th, 2007 at 9:05 pmComment by Zooey
I have no intention to dictate her behavior. The rabid idiot intends to throw her behavior on others, which is dumbfounding. But that’s a success in her eyes because she exhibits the symptoms of a sociopath. In addition, she needs a course on proper disagreement etiquette.
July 6th, 2007 at 9:06 pmMaybe The Dean of Dissent needs to school her.
July 6th, 2007 at 9:09 pmComment by david
Shane is loud-mouthed douche who is a constant embarrassment to her age group. I won’t be taking advice on life success from a political nut projectionist.
There’s nothing impressive about her words, so you should think before you believe everything that you read.
July 6th, 2007 at 9:09 pm#246: Pot calls kettle black.
Yer a soulless unprincipled ass.
July 6th, 2007 at 9:11 pmPot calls kettle black.
Is being black a bad thing?
July 6th, 2007 at 9:12 pm#248: you should think before you believe everything that you read.
It’ll be a cold day in hell before I take advice on critical thinking from you, you doughbrained bleater.
July 6th, 2007 at 9:12 pmFunny how our new troll timmy found a way to 1) contradict himself and 2) make his opponents’ point for them -all in one single thread.
We are really scraping the bottom with this new litter of trolls.
July 6th, 2007 at 9:13 pmFemale berates male, male shouldn’t respond out of “gender sensitivity.â€
Grow a pair and close your sociology text, dolt. You should have finished your assignment hours ago.
Comment by CT_V1
Hey, I didn’t f*cking attack YOU. YOU brought me into your shitstorm, not the other way around.
July 6th, 2007 at 9:14 pmI still find it amusing this pretense that there are so many trolls here. CT and Mr P may be two people. Or not. But there’s no way that Valiant Venus, ValianttheHater, Jake, Patrick1, The Joker, Clinton and various other handles are all separate people. Indeed, there are two many rhetorical slip ups and idiosyncratic speech patterns that recur. Maybe if you had taken Drama 101 you’d have learned to avoid this. Alas, I suspect your homophobia wouldn’t allow you to hang out with artsies.
July 6th, 2007 at 9:14 pmFaux Friends beat up a dead guy and brag about it. That’s Murdoch’s and Cheney’s kind of courage.
July 6th, 2007 at 9:14 pmBe careful not to throw any stones then…
Comment by Mr. President
I only throw truth.
You’re the one who throws stones, and flings shit.
July 6th, 2007 at 9:15 pm#249
#250, raises a good point with that question.
Arthur C. Clarke, it is nearly 2010, and you still haven’t grown out of your racist past.
July 6th, 2007 at 9:15 pm#257
And Mr President attempts to change the subject, right on cue.
July 6th, 2007 at 9:19 pmI have no intention to dictate her behavior. The rabid idiot intends to throw her behavior on others, which is dumbfounding. But that’s a success in her eyes because she exhibits the symptoms of a sociopath. In addition, she needs a course on proper disagreement etiquette.
Comment by CT_V1
You say you have no intention to dictating shane’s behavior, and then proceed to exactly that.
You called her a child beater about the first time you ever came around here. Do you think she’s going to feel all fuzzy about that?
Please don’t even mention etiquette until you clean up your own crap around here.
July 6th, 2007 at 9:21 pm#257: How is #250 relevant, Mr P.? It isn’t, it’s a diversion, but you grab on because you are incapable of addressing the hypocrisy of #246.
What are you, a 6th grader?
July 6th, 2007 at 9:23 pmThe only ones I see with a huge sense of entitlement in this thread are the trolls: They want to be able to post their nonsense, without interference, but there is no way they will ever make a positive contribution to the board (posting something approaching sanity would be nice for a change), and any strong rebuttal sends them crying foul and decrying “censorship”.
I wonder if they watched too much Mr. Rogers growing up /sarcasm off
July 6th, 2007 at 9:31 pmI’m sorry. I’ve scrolled back through this thread and I can’t find anything offensive or cantankerous from Shane. Perhaps the brainy Mr P or CT can quote the actual offending post numbers.
I did find the following:
Now, this is such a vulgar and offensive post that I can’t imagine CT posting it in a thread about Mr Rogers. It boggles the mind. Clearly this man is a sociopath who ought to be locked up before he does some poor woman harm.
Mr P is no better. He’s an enabler. And his PC schtick is so 90s. Get real. And before you lecture people about hard work and entitlement, consider that your beloved Dubya couldn’t have made it into university without a hefty contribution from Pappy. What’s Georgie’s GPA??? Less than zero.
July 6th, 2007 at 9:32 pmHave you apologized yet, you whiny little shit?
Comment by Arthur C. — July 6, 2007 @ 8:59 pm
It takes character and maturity to make a sincere apology….
July 6th, 2007 at 9:34 pmyup, there’s nothing that’ll ruin a kid like a good self-esteem!
July 6th, 2007 at 9:36 pmThere is nothing insulting to Zooey in CT’s post.
He said that shane has her (shane’s) head up Zooey’s bum.
I would have said: Shane swinging from Zooey’s nutz…
(That is a metaphor Zooey)
July 6th, 2007 at 9:37 pmThere is nothing insulting to Zooey in CT’s post.
He said that shane has her (shane’s) head up Zooey’s bum.
I would have said: Shane swinging from Zooey’s nutz…
(That is a metaphor Zooey)
Comment by Mr. President
YOU don’t decide what’s insulting to ME.
Do you understand? Can you understand?
Shut up you f*cking moron, and stop confirming EVERYONE’S suspicions about you.
July 6th, 2007 at 9:41 pmShane is loud-mouthed douche who is a constant embarrassment to her age group. I won’t be taking advice on life success from a political nut projectionist.
Comment by CT_V1 — July 6, 2007 @ 9:09 pm
Now that’s how a real troll talks! Git DOWN! That’s the troll creed, to get behind a keyboard and spew out what you’re way too chicken shit to ever say in person… unless you’re drunk of course. A nice glass of goat piss for you for maintaining this high standard.
July 6th, 2007 at 9:43 pmZooey,
I’m just sayin’
CT has his own style, I have my own style, we are not the same person.
jeez…
July 6th, 2007 at 9:44 pm“CT-V1 must be used to the feeling of hot lard up his bum, because Mr President’s head has been up there for quite some time.”
Hope I didn’t offend either of you fine gentlemen!
July 6th, 2007 at 9:45 pmWell, I can tell why nobody invites you to dinner parties, Mr P. And if you think that’s a metaphor, you clearly flunked English Comp.
That was an insulting post. And you failed to explain why CT should have said it in the first place. I found no offending posts from Shane. Indeed, her posts made prefect sense.
Did you run out of gin, Mr P? You sound like a mean drunk who’s slowly sobering up. Please head to detox at once.
Can you say “Detox”? I knew you could.
July 6th, 2007 at 9:45 pmPlease don’t even mention etiquette until you clean up your own crap around here.
Comment by Zooey — July 6, 2007 @ 9:21 pm
Yes, we wouldn’t want to spoil the decorum and respectability around these parts.
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
July 6th, 2007 at 9:46 pmZooey,
I’m just sayin’
CT has his own style, I have my own style, we are not the same person.
jeez…
Comment by Mr. President
I don’t think you’ve been seeing ME say you’re the same person.
Leave me out of your moronic ramblings. What the hell is wrong with you?
SHUT UP, for once in your life.
July 6th, 2007 at 9:49 pmHope I didn’t offend either of you fine gentlemen!
Comment by Arthur C. — July 6, 2007 @ 9:45 pm
Not me, Arthur C.
But CT is an independant individual so you sir, are mistaken.
July 6th, 2007 at 9:49 pmComment by Zooey — July 6, 2007 @ 9:49 pm
I have.
July 6th, 2007 at 9:50 pmAh, Mr P become Insert Hitler Reference.
The Troll puppemaster with his fist up the ar$e of all this macho handles.
July 6th, 2007 at 9:50 pmI have.
Comment by Mr. President
You have not seen me saying you two are the same person.
YOu have not left me out of your crap.
And you have not shut up.
Which is it?
July 6th, 2007 at 9:51 pmdavid,
As we have seen, you sir, are throwing stones in a glass house.
Come on, lad.
July 6th, 2007 at 9:51 pmBut CT is an independant individual so you sir, are mistaken.
Did I say you were one thing? You’re finding subtexts that aren’t there. Sounds like clinical paranoia.
July 6th, 2007 at 9:52 pmComment by Zooey — July 6, 2007 @ 9:51 pm
I said,
I have.
July 6th, 2007 at 9:53 pmComment by Arthur C. — July 6, 2007 @ 9:52 pm
Did I say you said we were one thing? You are finding subtexts that are not there. Sounds like clinical paranoia.
July 6th, 2007 at 9:54 pmCT-V1 must be used to the feeling of hot lard up his bum, because Mr President’s head has been up there for quite some time.â€
Hope I didn’t offend either of you fine gentlemen!
Comment by Arthur C. — July 6, 2007 @ 9:45 pm
But CT is an independant individual so you sir, are mistaken.
Comment by Mr. President — July 6, 2007 @ 9:49 pm
Please, David is right Mr. Pee, get to detox. You’re so fried on meth that you can’t even follow the simplest thread. What’s going to happen when you go outside?
July 6th, 2007 at 9:59 pmhttp://www.drug-rehabs.com/
That’s a pretty witless retort, even for a 6th grader.
July 6th, 2007 at 10:01 pmyes, you do need to dry out, Mr Pee. See:
You’re so strung out you can’t remember you were discussing this glass/grass house business without someone else altogether.
July 6th, 2007 at 10:05 pmMr. Rogers was a wonderful instructor of children in the value of caring, sharing and being happy with oneself. His quiet demeanor was unthreatening and he did not rely on gimmicks or special effects to send his message.
Did they forget how concerned he was in the days following 9/11/01 about its effect on the children who were observing their parents being so upset, and hearing what they might on the news or television — he offered a special message to children and to their parents to help them cope.
Besmirching his work and his memory is pretty low, even for the snakes at Fox.
July 6th, 2007 at 10:28 pmI said,
I have.
Comment by Mr. President
Fine. Whatever.
F*ck off.
July 6th, 2007 at 10:31 pm#235 pagan american
Each child carries the untarnished potentiality of humanity.
Your entire post was worthy of repeating, but this line is particularly meaningful.
July 6th, 2007 at 10:37 pmThe genesis of this was a Wall Street Journal article (I read it linked from digg.com). Quit piling on Foxnews without doing any research. Sure Foxnews sucks as bad as CNN, etc, but c’mon. Morons.
July 6th, 2007 at 11:00 pmLook, conservatives would never tell their own kids (or anyone else’s) that they were special, even if they DID deserve it! Why? Because they believe that praise of any kind spoils children. They take a tough line and believe that a good spanking works far better. Exuberance, spirit, etc. are bad things that can lead to defiance and diobedience! You’ve got to crush their spirit before they think they can “mouth off” to their parents. They need to know who the boss is, god damn it!
July 6th, 2007 at 11:12 pmFOX NAZI NEWS—HATE FRED ROGER’S , LOVE FRED PHLEP’S.
July 6th, 2007 at 11:35 pmFox isn’t even being original in this attack on Fred Rogers. About a year ago (?) Michael Savage was doing the same thing. I’d heard that one of Fred Rogers’ sons called him and told him to knock it off.
Fred Rogers was an ordained Presbyterian minister who taught children to appreciate differences in people and how to work out any problems they had with others through non-violence. I can certainly see how that would be threatening to the military industrial complex supporting rightwingers.
July 7th, 2007 at 12:00 amIf you are not against innocence why are you for stuff like sex before marriage, abortion and children without dads?
Comment by Frank M —
Oh so Republicans never have sex before marriage, eh? How about Fred Thompson, who first married at age 17 because he had gotten his girlfriend pregnant? Or is sex okay after someone is married like Newt Gingrich respectively cheatings on wives #2 with the women who became wives #3?
July 7th, 2007 at 12:50 amAnd no Republican women have ever had abortions, eh? How about Tom Delay forcing women workers in the Mariana Islands to have them, or the abortion George W. Bush is rumored to have paid for before he got hitched to Laura? Children without dads? Please ask Mary Cheney and her parents about that one.
Frank M,
I’m about 6 hours late here but I think you should look up liabel in the dictionary and when you can’t find it, try libel instead. Not to be confused with liable but maybe I’ve already lost you…
July 7th, 2007 at 12:55 am#287 sez: The genesis of this was a Wall Street Journal article (I read it linked from digg.com). Quit piling on Foxnews without doing any research. Sure Foxnews sucks as bad as CNN, etc, but c’mon. Morons.
Listen up, doughbrain: The genesis of this was not a WSJ “article,” it was a finance professor from LSU with no credentials in psychology or in child development. His report was the subject a ridiculous WSJ Op-Ed piece. So?
If you can’t distinguish the difference between reportage and op-ed, maybe you should refrain from criticizing other people for not doing their research, and from calling other people morons.
July 7th, 2007 at 1:06 amNice post, Lora @ 291. I trust that most commentators on this blog can distinguish between what is age appropriate for the children watching Mr. Rogers and the young (or old) adults who decide whether and when to have sex and how to deal with its consequences, including unwanted pregnancy and disease.
As for children with one or no parent, Fred Rogers was especially adept at affirming their self-worth. For the few minutes he had them each day, he did not ignore their feelings, he encouraged them. He reaffirmed their observations about the world, no matter how peaceful or threatening that world might seem. He knew that the children in a family are sometimes the only ones able to articulate what was wrong with it.
Most importantly, he didn’t infantilize. Whether it was his sophisticated music or his informed messages, he didn’t ignore reality; he taught children in age appropriate ways that they could accept and manage it. Encouraging their sense of self-worth by asking them first thing every program, “How are you today?” and ending with the message that every child is special, was the first step in doing that.
July 7th, 2007 at 1:17 amThey believe that entitlement is only for the ultra rich and ultra connected. The peons should know their place.
July 7th, 2007 at 1:18 amApparently Dr. Chance doesn’t get around the university much. If he did, he would know that it is the business students who are obscene grade grubbers. I’ve never had as much whining about grades as from B-school students. Maybe the problem was that they didn’t watch Mr. Rogers. Why does the media act as if a finance professor has any expertise about psychology and development. All this guy knows is derivatives. Sheesh. Get a clue.
July 7th, 2007 at 1:20 amI forgot in my post #291 (July 7, 2007 @ 12:50 am) after mention of Newt Gingrich, the name of Rudi Guiliani in reference to their both cheating on wives #2 with the women who became wifey #3. But perhaps some of you figured that out, anyway.
And to Rob re: Comment by Rob — July 7, 2007 @ 12:55 am
July 7th, 2007 at 1:55 amDon’t expect good spelling from the Trolls; it seems too much to expect from koolaid drinkers.
“They did a study at some college and this professor says”, and “he is joined by a chorus of other people”, and “I back it”. Now there is the kind of crap that gets you a raise and passes for journalism at Fox News. If you look closely enough, you can still see O’Reilley’s cum dripping from this guys chin!
July 7th, 2007 at 2:20 amI believe it was Korn that first noticed the danger that was Mr. Rogers:
Lyrics for: Mr. Rogers
Time has come, to realize what you are, what you’ve done tonight.
Time has come, we’ll have something to talk about.
I will too.
Looking back (dumb)
And now I realize (old man)
How much you really liked him (dumb)
This child’s mind you terrorized (old man)
You came to him (dumb)
He really didn’t know your lies (old man)
Now his innocence is gone (dumb)
He’s that child you terrorized (old man)
This fuking pain that I feel — you gave to me and you
This fuking pain that I feel — because of you
My childhood is gone — because I loved you
My childhood is gone — because I loved you
Be my neighbor
Looking back (child)
And now I realize (fuker)
How much you really loved him (child)
This child’s mind you’d hypnotized (fuker)
You came to him (child)
You really didn’t know his lies (fuker)
Now his innocence is gone (child)
I’m that child you terrorized (fuker)
This fuking hate that I feel — you gave to me and you.
This fuking pain that I feel — because of you.
My childhood is gone — because I loved you.
My childhood is gone — because I loved you.
Be my neighbor. (x2)
My neighbor…
Fred, you told me everybody was my neighbor. They took advantage of me and then they took their turns hating me. I wish I wouldn’t have watched you, but then you made my childhood a failure. What a fuking neighbor.
Fred, you told me everybody was my neighbor. They took advantage of me and then they took their turns hating me. I wish I wouldn’t have watched you, but then you made my childhood a failure…
What a fuking neighbor!
I hate you! I will too. (x3)
I hate you!
I hate you!
Be my neighbor. (x2)
This fukin’ hate that I feel!
This fukin’ pain that I feel!
My childhood is gone!
My childhood is gone!
This fukin’ hate that I feel!
July 7th, 2007 at 2:36 amThis fukin’ pain that I feel!
My childhood is gone!
My childhood is gone!
Similar article in the Wall Street Journal. Everyone’s looking to blame anyone but themselves.
July 7th, 2007 at 3:08 amAll you liberals and conservatives are idiots. the whole liberal vs conservative thing is all a sham designed to make you ignore the real problems and while you are all too distracted arguing with each other about nothing the real problems like the federal reserve, and the daily trampling of the constitution by the courts, or the fact that only the very rich even have a chance at the presidency, or that we only have to major parties who even have a chance at winning elections and who pass laws insuring that they will always be the only choices or that our military is completely foreword deployed leaving America totally defenseless go unchecked. I could go on and on but you get the point.
July 7th, 2007 at 4:47 am“I grew up in Pittsburgh. My mom knew a co-worker of Fred Rogers….he was an arrogant prick just like Bob Hope pretended not to be.” – Jimmy Z
Well, Jimmy, I’ll one-up your three-step indirected evidence.
As it happens, I also grew up in Pittburgh, and while doing a software indexing project on the WQED video database I had the opportunity to personally meet Fred Rogers. He was one hell of a nice guy, basically exactly like the character he played on his show.
For that matter, I also ran into Bob Hope (in Del Mar), in his nineties, and unsolicited he was very kind to my little kids.
I certainly didn’t “know” either of these people, but what is to be gained by smearing fondly remembered dead people whose public persona was good and wholesome, particularly based on third-hand innuendo?
July 7th, 2007 at 7:32 amOh, blame a dead man for studnets that engage their prof with a little arm twisting.
July 7th, 2007 at 8:33 amFact is, Fred was an American hero all around. From his military duty to his bringing up our youth.
Republicans seem to raise their “fear flag” to red in the presents of Mr. Rogers accomplishments.
Having taken Dr. Chance’s Derivatives class a couple of years ago, I can say without a doubt the man is brilliant and his comments are dead on…..regardless of the source, the sense of entitlements most Americans have is quite insane.
July 7th, 2007 at 9:00 amMy childhood is gone!
My childhood is gone!
Comment by Mr. President
Don’t worry, Mr. Presdimwit,
July 7th, 2007 at 9:03 amYou always sound like a child to me (though you claim to be 24).
In the first place, are these morons under the illusion that students asking teachers for a better grade is some NEW thing that didn’;t happen when WE were in school?
In the second place, if narcissism and a sense of entitlement has increased, well, the blame should be laid squarely at the feet of corporate America, which absolutely bombards children with sales pitches, and which intentionally fosters greed and a sense of entitlement in order to sell them shit.
July 7th, 2007 at 9:13 amFox hates Mr. Rogers because he was friendly to his neighbors, whereas they want to bomb them.
July 7th, 2007 at 10:24 amYou always sound like a child to me (though you claim to be 24).
Comment by Lora — July 7, 2007 @ 9:03 am
Mr. President is 24? Doesn’t that violate the Constitution? Well atleast that validates my thoughts that he is indeed a “child” with a “child’s mind”. Current neuroanatomy research places the onset of the “adult brain” in the mid to late twenties so expect the President to join the club anyday now.
July 7th, 2007 at 11:37 amKilmeade is just another FauxSnooze hack selling a book. I’ve listened to his radio show a time or two, but couldn’t get past the obvious bigotry and blind water carrying for the reichwing.
I would say attacking a dead guy is tacky, but the bar is set pretty low over at the Noise channel, so this is almost standard fare these days.
July 7th, 2007 at 11:56 amIt is not a sense of “entitlement.” Entitlement would assume these kids demanded the ‘A’ without doing any more necessary work. These kids put forth a show of decent ethic and dedication for trying to better their grades.
I seriously hate Fox.
July 7th, 2007 at 12:31 pmThe WSJ article I mentioned in #299 above was basically saying the same thing regarding entitlement. The point was that because Mr. Rogers told kids they were special, kids grew up thinking they were special and therefore think they deserve things without earning them.
Why is fox news rehasing a WSJ article?
July 7th, 2007 at 1:07 pmLook where is coming from Fox. This is called PROPAGANDA people… And yes, it makes me sick
July 7th, 2007 at 1:12 pmI don’t see how Mr. Rogers saying that every person is special, translates to kids feeling like they deserve an “A” in a class when they didn’t work for it. I think he meant to make kids feel important and respect themselves- not demand extra credit or anything like that. It’s also kind of insulting to me as a young person to see an elder (whoever agrees with this stuff on the station) trying to figure out what’s “wrong” with my generation. Thanks a lot. Why don’t you try talking to members of “this generation” to find out why they might have a sense of entitlement. That would be a lot less disrespectful, I think.
July 7th, 2007 at 2:03 pmMr. Rogers was an ordained Presbyterian minister. I thought the right wing was supposed to be religious. Apparently being a minister for 40 years does not count for much if you do not agree with everything the right wing believes. I wonder how many of the right wing religious beliefs Jesus would support.
July 7th, 2007 at 3:43 pm“Well, he is kind of a pussy! Comment by Mr. President — July 6, 2007 @ 4:49 pm”
Before going into the ministry Fred Rogers was a Marine sniper who saw combat in Korea. He always wore long sleeves to cover his tattoos.
He was a decent man who stood for what he believed in. He did teach children they were special. He also — constantly — told them that honesty, personal integrity, compassion for others, and always working hard to do your best were fundamental components of what made them special.
His message that people should not hurt and hate others because they are different — and that you should never let others make you feel you are unworthy because of your skin or your faith or your social status because every human has rights and every life has value — runs throughout all of his programs. But he also always emphasized that being human and being part of the human community placed upon each of us the responsibility to be the best person we can be.
But one aspect of the charges against Fred Rogers is true: He often repeated Jesus Christ’s words that each of us is special and that each of us is loved no matter what our condition or status. No surprise there. He was a minister, quoting Jesus sorta goes with the job.
July 7th, 2007 at 4:15 pmRosenfeld is right. Too bad so many of the touchy-feely types on this board can’t see it. OMG CHEELDRUN R SPESHUL111 No, I’m sorry, Zooey and Heather, most of them are as mediocre as any given grownup, and some of them are downright wastes of skin. Like these kids, or these, or these. “Innocent little angels,” my arse. I’m no right-winger but I truly loathe the Rousseauesque lens through which too many lefties look at kids. Stop worrying about “invalidating their feelings,” stop worrying that they won’t be your bestest friends anymore, and start smacking their asses for a change. The rest of us will thank you.
July 7th, 2007 at 7:24 pmMr. Rogers never served in any branch of the military. He wore the long sleeves not to cover tattoos, but to lend an air of formality and authority.
http://www.snopes.com/radiotv/tv/mrrogers.asp
That misconception aside, I grew up watching the guy and never got an inflated sense of my own self-worth. I suspect a great many of my contemporaries are the same way.
July 7th, 2007 at 8:25 pmI am truly astonished…I cannot believe that these journalists are so unprofessional and effectively brainless. I don’t know why I am even bothering to post this comment, as if it would mean anything at all, but I cannot express in words how simultaneously saddened and outraged I am by this. I watched it because it sounded so ridiculous that I thought I would at least laugh. I wonder at what point we recognize what we are doing to ourselves and to our society. And sense of entitlement? Really? This from Fox News? I can’t even express how ridiculous that is.
July 8th, 2007 at 9:45 amWe’ll keep Mr. Rogers, they can have Dick Cheney.
July 8th, 2007 at 4:19 pm“[Mr. Rogers] also — constantly — told [kids] that honesty, personal integrity, compassion for others, and always working hard to do your best were fundamental components of what made them special.”
Maybe if Commander Blinky Bunnypants had watched Mr. Rogers when he was growing up he wouldn’t have become the sorry sociopathic sack of shit he is.
July 8th, 2007 at 4:23 pmMDC, apply that line of reasoning to the current administration. Bush, Cheney, Rice are not speshull bestest friends—they should be spanked like any other “waste of skin”. Huh, kind of like Cheney’s new test-tube bastard child.
July 8th, 2007 at 5:28 pmLike, the intellectually challenged news anchors at Fox never had to beg a professor for a grade??? Come on!
July 8th, 2007 at 8:31 pm“entitlement?”, WTF does that have to do with anything? You don’t have to approve of the current administration to think that modern parenting is the epitome of spinelessness and too many kids think the world revolves around them.
July 8th, 2007 at 10:44 pmFox News should be ashamed of themselves for allowing those idiot journalist to deface what Mr. Roger’s stood for. Mr. Rogers represented educating the young in an entertaining environment. Whomever started this jealous hatred against Mr. Rogers is perhaps a celibate, lonely individual. If I were Mr. Roger’s family I would legally handle this situation in a moral manner. To watch the jerks on tv actually agree with some cooked up bogus information is just as ill as the sick fed theory. What Mr. Rogers enhanced upon his show was positive. What kind of parent would go against a positive message? Probably a negative parent.
The mother of two of the smartest, well rounded children.
July 8th, 2007 at 10:48 pmMr. Rogers was a great person who helped children feel good about themselves and taught them how to treat others nicely. It’s completly stupid how all of a sudden people are blaming this guy for these issues. It’s ridiculous.
GO MR. ROGERS!
July 10th, 2007 at 2:56 pmHuh? Mr Rogers–AKA the Reverend Fred Rogers–was an ordained Presbyterian minister. So now Fox is attacking the Christian Right? They have met the enemy, and it is them!
July 12th, 2007 at 2:18 amHang on, Mr. Rodgers is a kids show, I mean, yes everyone is special, and everyone deserves to be special, but COME ON, this man just wanted to make kids lives better and more enjoyable, and he did that better than Barney the Dinosaur ever did or Blues Clues, then these people just come on in and say hes causing all these problems. Proof or leave him alone.
July 13th, 2007 at 8:09 pmI saw the story, the people on Fox & Friends DEFENDED Mr. Rogers, they were simply citing a report.
July 13th, 2007 at 10:21 pmPay attention!
Why is website whipping up a feeding frenzy over a non-story?
Get mad at the university that spent the money to study this crap!
Was this a study? Fox “News” just cites “a professor from Louisiana State” and the WSJ article cites “a professor of finance” but neither actually call it a study or cite data collected. From the WSJ article, it sounds like it’s just this finance professor’s opinion with no data to back it up. Yes he is a professor, but is he actually qualified to give an opinion on the effect of a children’s television program on an entire generation? I would think that study would be more suited for a social psychologist or even a professor of television studies. Hell, why not get an astronomy professor on Fox “News” to say that America’s invasion of Iraq has boosted the economy and will continue to do so as long as we are there. It’s the opinion of a professor after all, so it must be legit!
July 28th, 2007 at 3:25 am