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		<title>By: Tracy</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/06/giuliani-vietnam/comment-page-7/#comment-3926618</link>
		<dc:creator>Tracy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jul 2007 15:39:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#328

&quot;If there was no war effort, military personnel werenâ€™t as needed as they are now for the war you support, kiddo.&quot;

Oh, so now the truth comes out.  It wouldn&#039;t matter to you what OR with who the U.S. was at war with you wouldn&#039;t join anyway to fight.  Why didn&#039;t you just say that you are a pacifist like unbelievable and admit this telling fact a long time ago?  If this is true, you have ZERO room to be telling others that their reason(s) no to join are lame.  BTW if you aren&#039;t a pacifist, the fact that you still chose not to join during PEACE time makes your excuses for not serving even more illegitimate.  Being a pacifist is just an excuse like any other. 

&quot;I have nothing to fess up to...&quot;

The only thing you need to fess up is that you wouldn&#039;t join the military under any circumstances.  Is this true?

&quot;I donâ€™t see you spending endless time responding to male posters, but you probably think you can bully women...&quot;

That&#039;s because I have yet to see someone so conceited as yourself post here.  Also why do you keep calling me a hypocrite for not joining the military?  I have already given my excuse and have admitted that it&#039;s not a good one.  A hypocrite BTW a person who puts on a false appearance of virtue.  I never said that there was anything virtuous about my motives or reasons for not joining the military...but you on the other hand keep offering up every excuse and trying to pass them off as legitimate and noble.  You are the hypocrite.  Here&#039;s one for you:  Are you trying to say that if you support a war effort, but don&#039;t join the military to fight it, that you are a hypocrite?  Give me a break!  Millions of people have supported war effort like WW2 for example and didn&#039;t serve in the military.  Were they all hypocrites?</description>
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<p>&#8220;If there was no war effort, military personnel werenâ€™t as needed as they are now for the war you support, kiddo.&#8221;</p>
<p>Oh, so now the truth comes out.  It wouldn&#8217;t matter to you what OR with who the U.S. was at war with you wouldn&#8217;t join anyway to fight.  Why didn&#8217;t you just say that you are a pacifist like unbelievable and admit this telling fact a long time ago?  If this is true, you have ZERO room to be telling others that their reason(s) no to join are lame.  BTW if you aren&#8217;t a pacifist, the fact that you still chose not to join during PEACE time makes your excuses for not serving even more illegitimate.  Being a pacifist is just an excuse like any other. </p>
<p>&#8220;I have nothing to fess up to&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>The only thing you need to fess up is that you wouldn&#8217;t join the military under any circumstances.  Is this true?</p>
<p>&#8220;I donâ€™t see you spending endless time responding to male posters, but you probably think you can bully women&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s because I have yet to see someone so conceited as yourself post here.  Also why do you keep calling me a hypocrite for not joining the military?  I have already given my excuse and have admitted that it&#8217;s not a good one.  A hypocrite BTW a person who puts on a false appearance of virtue.  I never said that there was anything virtuous about my motives or reasons for not joining the military&#8230;but you on the other hand keep offering up every excuse and trying to pass them off as legitimate and noble.  You are the hypocrite.  Here&#8217;s one for you:  Are you trying to say that if you support a war effort, but don&#8217;t join the military to fight it, that you are a hypocrite?  Give me a break!  Millions of people have supported war effort like WW2 for example and didn&#8217;t serve in the military.  Were they all hypocrites?<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=3926618', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Lora</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/06/giuliani-vietnam/comment-page-7/#comment-3925418</link>
		<dc:creator>Lora</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jul 2007 23:53:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I will continue to do so untill you fess up and admit that your reason not to join isnâ€™t any more or less legitimate than mine
And you were too chicken to serve when there was NO war effort to support.
Comments by Tracy 

Your second comment is really funny--&quot;chicken about not serving when there was no war effort, eh?&quot;  If there was no war effort, military personnel weren&#039;t as needed as they are now for the war you support, kiddo.
You can continue posting here until you are blue in the face.  I have nothing to fess up to, and you can&#039;t bully me into it, Chickenhawk.  (unbelievable is probably right about your bullying your wife.  I don&#039;t see you spending endless time responding to male posters, but you probably think you can bully women.) Besides, I probably won&#039;t even look at this thread any more.  I&#039;ve already wasted too much time on your pathetic Chickenhawk BS, hypocrite-supreme.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I will continue to do so untill you fess up and admit that your reason not to join isnâ€™t any more or less legitimate than mine<br />
And you were too chicken to serve when there was NO war effort to support.<br />
Comments by Tracy </p>
<p>Your second comment is really funny&#8211;&#8221;chicken about not serving when there was no war effort, eh?&#8221;  If there was no war effort, military personnel weren&#8217;t as needed as they are now for the war you support, kiddo.<br />
You can continue posting here until you are blue in the face.  I have nothing to fess up to, and you can&#8217;t bully me into it, Chickenhawk.  (unbelievable is probably right about your bullying your wife.  I don&#8217;t see you spending endless time responding to male posters, but you probably think you can bully women.) Besides, I probably won&#8217;t even look at this thread any more.  I&#8217;ve already wasted too much time on your pathetic Chickenhawk BS, hypocrite-supreme.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=3925418', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Tracy</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/06/giuliani-vietnam/comment-page-7/#comment-3925369</link>
		<dc:creator>Tracy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jul 2007 23:38:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The point is youâ€™re too chicken to fight the war you support...&quot;

And you were too chicken to serve when there was NO war effort to support.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The point is youâ€™re too chicken to fight the war you support&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>And you were too chicken to serve when there was NO war effort to support.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=3925369', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Tracy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tracy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jul 2007 23:36:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#325

Why didn&#039;t you join when you were able?  You have offered up so many excuses it&#039;s getting hard to count them all.</description>
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<p>Why didn&#8217;t you join when you were able?  You have offered up so many excuses it&#8217;s getting hard to count them all.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=3925364', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Lora</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lora</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jul 2007 23:02:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Still trying to spin this one, Tracy-Chickenhawk?  Does it matter where I served, as long as I served in some way?  You&#039;re really funny still harping on my lack of military service when you have none yourself.  The point is you&#039;re too chicken to fight the war you support, just like the Bushes and the Cheneys.  There is no way around that, kiddo.  So you&#039;re just wasting your time and mine by continuing with all these excuses and lame attacks on me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Still trying to spin this one, Tracy-Chickenhawk?  Does it matter where I served, as long as I served in some way?  You&#8217;re really funny still harping on my lack of military service when you have none yourself.  The point is you&#8217;re too chicken to fight the war you support, just like the Bushes and the Cheneys.  There is no way around that, kiddo.  So you&#8217;re just wasting your time and mine by continuing with all these excuses and lame attacks on me.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=3925255', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Tracy</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/06/giuliani-vietnam/comment-page-7/#comment-3923591</link>
		<dc:creator>Tracy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jul 2007 16:16:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#321

Comment by Lora â€” July 10, 2007 @ 3:21 am

BTW you don&#039;t need brawn to serve in the military.  With your language skill the military could have used your skills in obvious ways.</description>
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<p>Comment by Lora â€” July 10, 2007 @ 3:21 am</p>
<p>BTW you don&#8217;t need brawn to serve in the military.  With your language skill the military could have used your skills in obvious ways.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=3923591', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Tracy</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/06/giuliani-vietnam/comment-page-7/#comment-3923551</link>
		<dc:creator>Tracy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jul 2007 16:03:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#321

Comment by Lora â€” July 10, 2007 @ 3:21 am

&quot;Youâ€™re in absolutely NO POSITION to do so.&quot;

I will continue to do so untill you fess up and admit that your reason not to join isn&#039;t any more or less legitimate than mine.  You keep trying to justify your reasons and  again your decision not to join back when you were able, well BEFORE the 2003 Iraq invasion, was not backed up by a legitimate excuse.

&quot;Besides, even the US government felt I could better serve with my brain...&quot;

The government, in what capacity, used your skills?  Explain how the U.S. government approached you to help them out.  I have already done so with the AAFES approaching me to design BXs.</description>
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<p>Comment by Lora â€” July 10, 2007 @ 3:21 am</p>
<p>&#8220;Youâ€™re in absolutely NO POSITION to do so.&#8221;</p>
<p>I will continue to do so untill you fess up and admit that your reason not to join isn&#8217;t any more or less legitimate than mine.  You keep trying to justify your reasons and  again your decision not to join back when you were able, well BEFORE the 2003 Iraq invasion, was not backed up by a legitimate excuse.</p>
<p>&#8220;Besides, even the US government felt I could better serve with my brain&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>The government, in what capacity, used your skills?  Explain how the U.S. government approached you to help them out.  I have already done so with the AAFES approaching me to design BXs.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=3923551', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Tracy</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/06/giuliani-vietnam/comment-page-7/#comment-3923479</link>
		<dc:creator>Tracy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jul 2007 15:43:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#320

Comment by Lora â€” July 10, 2007 @ 3:13 am

Call Everett D. Spaeth at Halff Associates @ (214) 346-6200 and ask him.</description>
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<p>Comment by Lora â€” July 10, 2007 @ 3:13 am</p>
<p>Call Everett D. Spaeth at Halff Associates @ (214) 346-6200 and ask him.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=3923479', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Lora</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/06/giuliani-vietnam/comment-page-7/#comment-3922967</link>
		<dc:creator>Lora</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jul 2007 07:21:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ps. Tracy-Chickenhawk,
If you really recognize your decision to go to college and not join the military was not particularly noble, you wouldn&#039;t keep on pressing me on why I didn&#039;t join.  You&#039;re in absolutely NO POSITION to do so.  There are a lot of reasons why joining the military might not be so attractive to a woman, such as rape--an issue well-documented.  Besides, even the US government felt I could better serve with my brain--and not the brawn that I don&#039;t have--a fact that seems to elude you time and time again.  So just Cheney-off, Super Hypocrite.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ps. Tracy-Chickenhawk,<br />
If you really recognize your decision to go to college and not join the military was not particularly noble, you wouldn&#8217;t keep on pressing me on why I didn&#8217;t join.  You&#8217;re in absolutely NO POSITION to do so.  There are a lot of reasons why joining the military might not be so attractive to a woman, such as rape&#8211;an issue well-documented.  Besides, even the US government felt I could better serve with my brain&#8211;and not the brawn that I don&#8217;t have&#8211;a fact that seems to elude you time and time again.  So just Cheney-off, Super Hypocrite.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=3922967', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Lora</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/06/giuliani-vietnam/comment-page-7/#comment-3922951</link>
		<dc:creator>Lora</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jul 2007 07:13:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, Tracy-Chickenhawk, you can post some websites, but I can&#039;t see how it proves that you&#039;ve worked there.  I recall your posting on some thread about a year or so ago the claim that you attended &quot;ExxonMobile(SIC)&quot; board or stockholder meetings.  You rather gave yourself away with your misspelling of &quot;Mobil.&quot;
You wouldn&#039;t know if I own myself or not, fatuous CHICKENHAWK-HYPOCRITE.  Please just go on making an ass of yourself.  I probably won&#039;t even bother to turn to your silly, hypocritical screeds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, Tracy-Chickenhawk, you can post some websites, but I can&#8217;t see how it proves that you&#8217;ve worked there.  I recall your posting on some thread about a year or so ago the claim that you attended &#8220;ExxonMobile(SIC)&#8221; board or stockholder meetings.  You rather gave yourself away with your misspelling of &#8220;Mobil.&#8221;<br />
You wouldn&#8217;t know if I own myself or not, fatuous CHICKENHAWK-HYPOCRITE.  Please just go on making an ass of yourself.  I probably won&#8217;t even bother to turn to your silly, hypocritical screeds.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=3922951', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Tracy</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/06/giuliani-vietnam/comment-page-7/#comment-3922923</link>
		<dc:creator>Tracy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jul 2007 06:53:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#319

&quot;My first response to your question was â€œWhy would I volunteer to fight in a war that I donâ€™t believe in?â€ Put bluntly, lilttle chickenhawk boy, since you donâ€™t seem to understand: I would not fight in Bushâ€™s war even if I were between ages 18-38&quot;

That&#039;s obvious, since you are not able to even join to &quot;fight Bush&#039;s war&quot;.  I asked why you didn&#039;t join when you were able...a couple of decades ago.   Your excuse you gave was not legitimate nor was it noble. 

&quot;Moreover, you have never explained why you didnâ€™t join after high school, because you have no good reason;&quot;

I didn&#039;t join because I decided I wanted to be an architect which required me to go to college and I knew the joining the military instead would require me being away from my family.  I have never said is was a good excuse.  You on the otherhand tried to pass off yours as legitimate.

&quot;BTW, donâ€™t think I havenâ€™t noticed that while you have the gall to demand I prove what kind of work I do, you havenâ€™t offered any proof of your claims about being an architect and having done jobs on military bases.&quot;

What proof would you like?  I worked for three years at Halff Accociates in Dallas.

http://www.fedspending.org/fpds/fpds.php?reptype=r&amp;detail=-1&amp;sortby=f&amp;vendor_cd=TX12&amp;datype=T&amp;reptype=r&amp;database=fpds&amp;database=fpds&amp;parent_id=123786&amp;fiscal_year=2004&amp;record_num=f500

http://www.same-fortworth.org/pdf/May%20Newsletter.pdf

&quot;The other point is that I donâ€™t particularly care to â€œownâ€ you, so I will disown you here and now.&quot;

Don&#039;t worry you can&#039;t even &quot;own&quot; yourself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#319</p>
<p>&#8220;My first response to your question was â€œWhy would I volunteer to fight in a war that I donâ€™t believe in?â€ Put bluntly, lilttle chickenhawk boy, since you donâ€™t seem to understand: I would not fight in Bushâ€™s war even if I were between ages 18-38&#8243;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s obvious, since you are not able to even join to &#8220;fight Bush&#8217;s war&#8221;.  I asked why you didn&#8217;t join when you were able&#8230;a couple of decades ago.   Your excuse you gave was not legitimate nor was it noble. </p>
<p>&#8220;Moreover, you have never explained why you didnâ€™t join after high school, because you have no good reason;&#8221;</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t join because I decided I wanted to be an architect which required me to go to college and I knew the joining the military instead would require me being away from my family.  I have never said is was a good excuse.  You on the otherhand tried to pass off yours as legitimate.</p>
<p>&#8220;BTW, donâ€™t think I havenâ€™t noticed that while you have the gall to demand I prove what kind of work I do, you havenâ€™t offered any proof of your claims about being an architect and having done jobs on military bases.&#8221;</p>
<p>What proof would you like?  I worked for three years at Halff Accociates in Dallas.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.fedspending.org/fpds/fpds.php?reptype=r&amp;detail=-1&amp;sortby=f&amp;vendor_cd=TX12&amp;datype=T&amp;reptype=r&amp;database=fpds&amp;database=fpds&amp;parent_id=123786&amp;fiscal_year=2004&amp;record_num=f500" rel="nofollow">http://www.fedspending.org/fpds/fpds.php?reptype=r&amp;detail=-1&amp;sortby=f&amp;vendor_cd=TX12&amp;datype=T&amp;reptype=r&amp;database=fpds&amp;database=fpds&amp;parent_id=123786&amp;fiscal_year=2004&amp;record_num=f500</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.same-fortworth.org/pdf/May%20Newsletter.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.same-fortworth.org/pdf/May%20Newsletter.pdf</a></p>
<p>&#8220;The other point is that I donâ€™t particularly care to â€œownâ€ you, so I will disown you here and now.&#8221;</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t worry you can&#8217;t even &#8220;own&#8221; yourself.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=3922923', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Lora</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lora</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jul 2007 04:40:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am not hte one defending my excuse for not joiningâ€¦
Well if you wouldnâ€™t have called my excuse lame and then tried to defend your excuse, then you wouldnâ€™t keep getting pounded on.
Comment by Tracy â€” July 9, 2007 @ 11:16 pm

Yes, you are by indirectly asking me repeatedly why I didn&#039;t do something you yourself wouldn&#039;t do
Your excuse wasindeed very  lame, CHICKENHAWK.  You support the war, CHICKENHAWK, but apparently believe other people should fight it.  My first response to your question was &quot;Why would I volunteer to fight in a war that I don&#039;t believe in?&quot;  Put bluntly, lilttle chickenhawk boy, since you don&#039;t seem to understand: I would not fight in Bush&#039;s war even if I were between ages 18-38 and had never been in a car (taxi) accident--particularly when people like you and the Bush/Cheney families are not there.  Your excuse is lame, lame and lame.  Moreover, you have never explained why you didn&#039;t join after high school, because you have no good reason; and I bet your wife didn&#039;t join after high school, either.  You think you are pounding on me, but all you have done is prove what a shameless hypocritical chickenhawk you are.
  BTW, don&#039;t think I haven&#039;t noticed that while you have the gall to demand I prove what kind of work I do, you haven&#039;t offered any proof of your claims about being an architect and having done jobs on military bases.  You make demands on people that you yourself don&#039;t live up to, hypocrite.
 Poster &quot;Tracy is a Big Fat Chickenhawk&quot; was right about you: you think you win an argument by outshouting or else exhausting others by posting the same BS over and over.  The only areas in which &quot;Tracy is a Big Fat Chickenhawk&quot; was wrong is that I recall you once posting that you are something like 6&#039;1&quot; as well as your weight and body fat percentage (nice size for a soldier, I might add), so you are probably not fat.  Therefore, perhaps it would have been better for him to post as  &quot;Tracy is a Big 
Fat(uous) Chickenhawk.&quot;  The other point is that I don&#039;t particularly care to &quot;own&quot; you, so I will disown you here and now.  Go Cheney-off, boy, before you make yourself look any more ridiculous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not hte one defending my excuse for not joiningâ€¦<br />
Well if you wouldnâ€™t have called my excuse lame and then tried to defend your excuse, then you wouldnâ€™t keep getting pounded on.<br />
Comment by Tracy â€” July 9, 2007 @ 11:16 pm</p>
<p>Yes, you are by indirectly asking me repeatedly why I didn&#8217;t do something you yourself wouldn&#8217;t do<br />
Your excuse wasindeed very  lame, CHICKENHAWK.  You support the war, CHICKENHAWK, but apparently believe other people should fight it.  My first response to your question was &#8220;Why would I volunteer to fight in a war that I don&#8217;t believe in?&#8221;  Put bluntly, lilttle chickenhawk boy, since you don&#8217;t seem to understand: I would not fight in Bush&#8217;s war even if I were between ages 18-38 and had never been in a car (taxi) accident&#8211;particularly when people like you and the Bush/Cheney families are not there.  Your excuse is lame, lame and lame.  Moreover, you have never explained why you didn&#8217;t join after high school, because you have no good reason; and I bet your wife didn&#8217;t join after high school, either.  You think you are pounding on me, but all you have done is prove what a shameless hypocritical chickenhawk you are.<br />
  BTW, don&#8217;t think I haven&#8217;t noticed that while you have the gall to demand I prove what kind of work I do, you haven&#8217;t offered any proof of your claims about being an architect and having done jobs on military bases.  You make demands on people that you yourself don&#8217;t live up to, hypocrite.<br />
 Poster &#8220;Tracy is a Big Fat Chickenhawk&#8221; was right about you: you think you win an argument by outshouting or else exhausting others by posting the same BS over and over.  The only areas in which &#8220;Tracy is a Big Fat Chickenhawk&#8221; was wrong is that I recall you once posting that you are something like 6&#8242;1&#8243; as well as your weight and body fat percentage (nice size for a soldier, I might add), so you are probably not fat.  Therefore, perhaps it would have been better for him to post as  &#8220;Tracy is a Big<br />
Fat(uous) Chickenhawk.&#8221;  The other point is that I don&#8217;t particularly care to &#8220;own&#8221; you, so I will disown you here and now.  Go Cheney-off, boy, before you make yourself look any more ridiculous.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=3922720', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Tracy</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jul 2007 03:16:36 +0000</pubDate>
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Comment by Lora â€” July 9, 2007 @ 5:28 pm

No it&#039;s just that you are under you own self rightous umbrella by continuing to say that your excuse for not joining is justified when it isn&#039;t.  I asked why you didn&#039;t join WELL before, in fact almost two decades before the 2003 invasion of Iraq and you offered up a sick mother excuse called it a legitimate and prior to that you told me that my excuse was lame.  

&quot;Youâ€™re the one supporting this war, Chickenhawk, but are too much of a big baby to go into it. SHAME ON YOU!&quot;

And you were too much of big baby to join when you had the chance.  Again, your sick mother wasn&#039;t anymore of a legitimate excuse than mine.  If you still think it was then you so full of yourself it&#039;s pathetic.

#316

Comment by Lora â€” July 9, 2007 @ 5:33 pm

&quot;You keep on obfuscating, but you werenâ€™t married with kids when you turned 18.&quot;

That is irrelevant because being married with kids at 18 yrs. old would STILL wouldn&#039;t be a good reason for not joining that military.  I am not hte one defending my excuse for not joining...YOU are, very poorly BTW.

&quot;You are a shameless chickenhawk, who thinks you can get away with bullying a woman like me who is normally one of the more polite posters.&quot;

Well if you wouldn&#039;t have called my excuse lame and then tried to defend your excuse, then you wouldn&#039;t keep getting pounded on.</description>
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<p>Comment by Lora â€” July 9, 2007 @ 5:28 pm</p>
<p>No it&#8217;s just that you are under you own self rightous umbrella by continuing to say that your excuse for not joining is justified when it isn&#8217;t.  I asked why you didn&#8217;t join WELL before, in fact almost two decades before the 2003 invasion of Iraq and you offered up a sick mother excuse called it a legitimate and prior to that you told me that my excuse was lame.  </p>
<p>&#8220;Youâ€™re the one supporting this war, Chickenhawk, but are too much of a big baby to go into it. SHAME ON YOU!&#8221;</p>
<p>And you were too much of big baby to join when you had the chance.  Again, your sick mother wasn&#8217;t anymore of a legitimate excuse than mine.  If you still think it was then you so full of yourself it&#8217;s pathetic.</p>
<p>#316</p>
<p>Comment by Lora â€” July 9, 2007 @ 5:33 pm</p>
<p>&#8220;You keep on obfuscating, but you werenâ€™t married with kids when you turned 18.&#8221;</p>
<p>That is irrelevant because being married with kids at 18 yrs. old would STILL wouldn&#8217;t be a good reason for not joining that military.  I am not hte one defending my excuse for not joining&#8230;YOU are, very poorly BTW.</p>
<p>&#8220;You are a shameless chickenhawk, who thinks you can get away with bullying a woman like me who is normally one of the more polite posters.&#8221;</p>
<p>Well if you wouldn&#8217;t have called my excuse lame and then tried to defend your excuse, then you wouldn&#8217;t keep getting pounded on.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=3922454', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Lora</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jul 2007 21:33:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PS. Chickenhawk-Tracy,
You keep on obfuscating, but you weren&#039;t married with kids when you turned 18.  You have presented no excuse for not joining the military then (after high school)--not even a sick mother.  You are a shameless chickenhawk, who thinks you can get away with bullying a woman like me who is normally one of the more polite posters.  Well, buddy, I&#039;ve seen through you.  You are a SHAMELESS CHICKENHAWK and HYPOCRITE, and worth no more of my time.
Cheney-off, boy, because that&#039;s probably the only thing you know how to do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PS. Chickenhawk-Tracy,<br />
You keep on obfuscating, but you weren&#8217;t married with kids when you turned 18.  You have presented no excuse for not joining the military then (after high school)&#8211;not even a sick mother.  You are a shameless chickenhawk, who thinks you can get away with bullying a woman like me who is normally one of the more polite posters.  Well, buddy, I&#8217;ve seen through you.  You are a SHAMELESS CHICKENHAWK and HYPOCRITE, and worth no more of my time.<br />
Cheney-off, boy, because that&#8217;s probably the only thing you know how to do.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=3921540', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Lora</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jul 2007 21:28:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Comment by Tracy â€” July 9, 2007 @ 2:41 pm

You really have no shame, do you, Mr. Chickenhawk?  You have been outed by your own self as a hypocritical chickenhawk, but you&#039;re still trying to press a very small woman on why she didn&#039;t go into the military!  You&#039;re the one supporting this war, Chickenhawk, but are too much of a big baby to go into it.  SHAME ON YOU!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Comment by Tracy â€” July 9, 2007 @ 2:41 pm</p>
<p>You really have no shame, do you, Mr. Chickenhawk?  You have been outed by your own self as a hypocritical chickenhawk, but you&#8217;re still trying to press a very small woman on why she didn&#8217;t go into the military!  You&#8217;re the one supporting this war, Chickenhawk, but are too much of a big baby to go into it.  SHAME ON YOU!<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=3921516', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Tracy</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jul 2007 18:41:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#310

Comment by Lora â€” July 9, 2007 @ 12:29 am

&quot;My motherâ€™s bout with cancer isnâ€™t enough for you, eh?&quot;

It&#039;s no better than mine.  I am sure there are many troops that have a similar situations to yours and mine, i.e. one who has kids and doesn&#039;t want to be seperated from them and others who&#039;s parents are sick, but that didn&#039;t stop them from joining.   

Why did you say that my excuse was lame by responding to a post that wasn&#039;t even directed to you?  Here.....

&quot;Iâ€™m sure a lot of troops who have been redeployed two or three times never expected to be gone from their spouse and kids for an extended period of time, either. Lame excuse, chickenhawk.&quot;

Comment by Lora â€” July 7, 2007 @ 10:05 am

&quot;Besides, I donâ€™t have to because youâ€™re the one who brought up the issue first and who also supports this war but wonâ€™t join the military.&quot;

But you are also the one who hasn&#039;t given a good excuse for not joining either.</description>
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<p>Comment by Lora â€” July 9, 2007 @ 12:29 am</p>
<p>&#8220;My motherâ€™s bout with cancer isnâ€™t enough for you, eh?&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s no better than mine.  I am sure there are many troops that have a similar situations to yours and mine, i.e. one who has kids and doesn&#8217;t want to be seperated from them and others who&#8217;s parents are sick, but that didn&#8217;t stop them from joining.   </p>
<p>Why did you say that my excuse was lame by responding to a post that wasn&#8217;t even directed to you?  Here&#8230;..</p>
<p>&#8220;Iâ€™m sure a lot of troops who have been redeployed two or three times never expected to be gone from their spouse and kids for an extended period of time, either. Lame excuse, chickenhawk.&#8221;</p>
<p>Comment by Lora â€” July 7, 2007 @ 10:05 am</p>
<p>&#8220;Besides, I donâ€™t have to because youâ€™re the one who brought up the issue first and who also supports this war but wonâ€™t join the military.&#8221;</p>
<p>But you are also the one who hasn&#8217;t given a good excuse for not joining either.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=3921089', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jul 2007 15:31:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The withdrawl from Viet Nam was part of a negociated settlement with the enemy. We have not reached any agreement with Al Qaeda and never will, so your premise is wrong. Giuliani is no genius, but in this area, he could definitely teach you something.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The withdrawl from Viet Nam was part of a negociated settlement with the enemy. We have not reached any agreement with Al Qaeda and never will, so your premise is wrong. Giuliani is no genius, but in this area, he could definitely teach you something.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=3920409', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Lora</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jul 2007 04:29:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You have no good explanation for why you didnâ€™t join after high school or before getting wed.â€
And you havenâ€™t given one either.
â€œFinally, I canâ€™t believe you still have the gall to keep on harping about military experience, Chickenhawk Hypocrite.â€
Where have I â€œharpedâ€ about military experience?
Comment by Tracy â€” July 9, 2007 @ 12:10 am

My mother&#039;s bout with cancer isn&#039;t enough for you, eh?  Besides, I don&#039;t have to because you&#039;re the one who brought up the issue first and who also supports this war but won&#039;t join the military.  
How many times have you asked me why I didn&#039;t join the military?  That&#039;s &quot;harping&quot; in my book.  Why don&#039;t you ask yourself and the Bush and Cheney families first, Mr. Hypocritical Chickenhawk?   You chickenhawks are really the ones who should be proving how &quot;noble&quot; the cause is by fighting it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You have no good explanation for why you didnâ€™t join after high school or before getting wed.â€<br />
And you havenâ€™t given one either.<br />
â€œFinally, I canâ€™t believe you still have the gall to keep on harping about military experience, Chickenhawk Hypocrite.â€<br />
Where have I â€œharpedâ€ about military experience?<br />
Comment by Tracy â€” July 9, 2007 @ 12:10 am</p>
<p>My mother&#8217;s bout with cancer isn&#8217;t enough for you, eh?  Besides, I don&#8217;t have to because you&#8217;re the one who brought up the issue first and who also supports this war but won&#8217;t join the military.<br />
How many times have you asked me why I didn&#8217;t join the military?  That&#8217;s &#8220;harping&#8221; in my book.  Why don&#8217;t you ask yourself and the Bush and Cheney families first, Mr. Hypocritical Chickenhawk?   You chickenhawks are really the ones who should be proving how &#8220;noble&#8221; the cause is by fighting it.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=3919955', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Tracy</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jul 2007 04:10:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Comment by Lora â€” July 8, 2007 @ 11:44 pm

&quot;You have no good explanation for why you didnâ€™t join after high school or before getting wed.&quot;

And you haven&#039;t given one either.

&quot;Finally, I canâ€™t believe you still have the gall to keep on harping about military experience, Chickenhawk Hypocrite.&quot;

Where have I &quot;harped&quot; about military experience?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Comment by Lora â€” July 8, 2007 @ 11:44 pm</p>
<p>&#8220;You have no good explanation for why you didnâ€™t join after high school or before getting wed.&#8221;</p>
<p>And you haven&#8217;t given one either.</p>
<p>&#8220;Finally, I canâ€™t believe you still have the gall to keep on harping about military experience, Chickenhawk Hypocrite.&#8221;</p>
<p>Where have I &#8220;harped&#8221; about military experience?<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=3919935', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Lora</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jul 2007 03:44:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And you are apparently to stupid to be teaching right now.
Comment by Tracy â€” July 8, 2007 @ 11:31 pm

Funny words coming from a guy who constantly puts down academics  No, idiot chickenhawk, I was offered better pay in another position.
Finally, I can&#039;t believe you still have the gall to keep on harping about military experience, Chickenhawk Hypocrite.  You have no good explanation for why you didn&#039;t join after high school or before getting wed.  So why don&#039;t you just STFU and buzz off?  You&#039;re not even useful to your own cause.
BTW, your demand that I prove that I&#039;ve done government work here is not only unbelievably assinine, it may also border on treason.   Please just go Cheney off,  Mr. Chicenhawk Supreme.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And you are apparently to stupid to be teaching right now.<br />
Comment by Tracy â€” July 8, 2007 @ 11:31 pm</p>
<p>Funny words coming from a guy who constantly puts down academics  No, idiot chickenhawk, I was offered better pay in another position.<br />
Finally, I can&#8217;t believe you still have the gall to keep on harping about military experience, Chickenhawk Hypocrite.  You have no good explanation for why you didn&#8217;t join after high school or before getting wed.  So why don&#8217;t you just STFU and buzz off?  You&#8217;re not even useful to your own cause.<br />
BTW, your demand that I prove that I&#8217;ve done government work here is not only unbelievably assinine, it may also border on treason.   Please just go Cheney off,  Mr. Chicenhawk Supreme.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=3919911', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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