Iraq war costs could top $1.4 trillion.
By on Jul 6th, 2007 at 8:37 pm
Iraq war costs could top $1.4 trillion.
According to a new report by the non-partisan Congressional Research Service, “in the first half of this fiscal year, the Defense Department’s “average monthly obligations for contracts and pay is running about $12 billion per month, well above the $8.7 billion in FY2006.” Additionally, depending on troop levels, total funding could reach “about $980 billion to $1.4 trillion by 2017.”
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And universal health care would cost how much per year, roughly?
July 6th, 2007 at 8:40 pma.c.e…
trillions of dollars of war money…
neo-cons…
oil…
the
July 6th, 2007 at 8:40 pmJOOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooOOOOOOoooOOOOoooOOOs…
Who was the guy in the Bush Administration who lost his job for saying it could cost 400 billion? and he was under by 300%.
Didn’t ol Donald say it would cost three billion the first year and then maybe 10 after that?
July 6th, 2007 at 8:47 pmwillyloman,
Right, but then again that senile old man didn’t get a single thing right about the war.
July 6th, 2007 at 8:50 pm…PROSECUTE ALL war profiteers…
…there’s a CLEAR paper trail…
…of NO-BID reconstruction, security, and general services contracts…
…leading right to the White(man’s) House…
….suburban, middle class, conned’self-servative America…
…DO YOU HAVE THE WILL…
…to bring these thieves to justice?
…or are you only interested in crack dealers and “illegal aliens”?
July 6th, 2007 at 8:51 pmDon’t worry. All that oil money will pay for the war. It won’t cost the American People a cent. Promise.
July 6th, 2007 at 8:52 pmIn the beginning the administration’s estimate was $76 million.
July 6th, 2007 at 8:56 pm…a.c.e…
no-bid contracts…
trillions of dollars…
Oil…
joooOooos…
July 6th, 2007 at 8:57 pm…
…
Crony capitalism and war profiteering: three generations of Bush family ties.
July 6th, 2007 at 8:58 pmand just think, the u.s. only spends whether it’s 1 billion or 10 billion
per year on something as important as education
that’s friggin between 1000 – 1500 times more whether it’s so called
to defend or destruct
but what i understand it really doesn’t matter whether we win or loose
because the goal is to give business to the bankers and put us into
debt forever
IT’S SO FRIGGIN CORRUPT IT’S ENOUGH TO MAKE YOU PUKE
THEN YOU WONDER WHY YOU CAN’T GET ANY SERVICES FOR THE 66%
YOU PAY……….
IT’S FRIGGIN RIGGED
LITERALLY A BUNCH OF HIGH CLASS THUGS
AND WHAT SERVICES WE DO GET IS LITERALLY
CORRUPTION TOPPLING OFF THE FRIGGIN GREASE DUMPS
SO YOU KNOW SOMEONE YOU CAN BRIBE FOR
A NICE FAT JUICY GOVERNMENT CONTRACT AND YOUR SET
WE THE PEOPLE ON THE OTHER HAND GET FAR SUPERIOR SERVICE
AT FRIGGIN MCDONALD’S
WHAT KIND OF SERVICES ARE BEING RENDERED THOUGH…………
LIKE SMOOZING ON K STREET
LIKE THE TRUSTY TELEPHONE TO SOLICIT BRIBES
LIKE I’LL SCRATCH YOU AND YOU SMOOZE AND SCRATCH WITH ME
IN MY YACHT OR IN SCOTLAND OR OUR CORPORATE JET
DUDE WASHINGTON IS TOTALLY BOUGHT OUT, THAT’S WHY IT’S 1.4 TRILLION
DEFENSE IS CORRUPTED
HIGHEST CLASS HOUSE OF THE LAND IS TOTALLY CORRUPT
JUSTICE IS CORRUPT
TRUTH IS CORRUPTED
UTMOST INTEGRITY WISE ELDERS ALL FRIGGIN CORRUPTED
FDA… TOTALLY CORRUPTED
EVEN FRIGGIN SHELTER IS CORRUPTED
SO IS YOUR FOOD
AND SO IT SEEMS IS A GOOD CHUNK OF SOCIETY DUDE
UNLESS OF COURSE YOU HAVE POLITICAL CONNECTIONS
July 6th, 2007 at 8:58 pmAND LOTS OF MONEY TO BRIBED DUDE
Don’t forget Andrew Natrios telling Ted Kopple over and over that the War in Iraq would cost the American taxpayers $1.7 billion. You can watch Ted Kopple repeatedly ask him “Are you sure that $1.7 billion is high enough.” right here.
July 6th, 2007 at 9:00 pmIn the beginning the administration’s estimate was $76 million.
Comment by nofltwlt — July 6, 2007 @ 8:56 pm
The very first estimate was $1.7 billion. See my comment above.
July 6th, 2007 at 9:01 pm$1.4 trillion is chump change!
I’ve dropped more than that in Israel and just left it on the ground because I was too lazy to pick it up!
July 6th, 2007 at 9:04 pmInteresting. That’s actually a relatively small (
July 6th, 2007 at 9:06 pmTHESE POLITICAL LEECHES HAVE PUT THE AMERICAN FAMILY, EACH
AND EVERY AMERICAN FAMILY JUST ON PAST DEBT TO THE TUNE OF
$500,000 – 600,000
BECUASE OF ALL THE PREVIOUS POLITICAL HOODLUMS DUDE
YOU COULDN’T GET SERVICES IF YOU TRIED BECUASE IT’S SO FRIGGIN
RIGGED.
BASIC ESSENTIALS SUCH AS SHELTER AND HEALTHCARE, LITERALLY ALL
FRIGGIN RIGGED
SCANDAL AFTER SCANDAL, ONE POLITICAL LEECH AFTER THE NEXT
LITERALLY IT’S A COMPLETE CESSPOOL OF FRIGGIN CROOKS
BECAUSE OF FAST SLICK SMOOTH SHIFTY EYED SWINDLERS
AND ALL THE SMOOZING AND ARM TWISTING AND SCRATCHIN ONE ANOTHER
LITERALLY A BUNCH OF FRIGGIN CRONY’S HITTIN OUR ELF’S POT DUDE
THAT’S WHY YOU AND I GET THE FRIGGIN GREASE PITS BECAUSE WE ARE
NOT INCLUDED IN THEIR HIGH CLASS “CLIQUE” DUDE,
THEY THRIVE ON POWER LITERALLY AS A BUNCH OF SWINDLERS DUDE
AND WHAT’S THE REAL VALUE OF THAT WAR… MINUS ALL THESE FRIGGIN
HOODLUM COMMISSIONS, PROBABLY AT MOST WHAT 50 BILLION, 100 BILLION
BUT ONCE ALL THESE HOODLUMS GET DONE WITH IT, IT’S FRIGGIN INFLATED
SOME 10 20 30 100 TIMES
NOW YOU WONDER WHY YOUR FAMILY OWES $500,000 ON PAST DEBT DUDE
I STAND STRONG…. LITERALLY HIGH CLASS HOODLUMS DUDE LIKE POLITICAL LEECHES AND SWINDLERS DUDE
JIMBO DUDE
ROCK SOLID TRUTH
JIMBO DUDE
ROCK SOLID INTEGRITY
NOW LETS GET TOGETHER AND DO SOME SMOOZING AND SCRATCHIN DUDE
July 6th, 2007 at 9:06 pmGah! got cut off. Small amount of the budget over that time, but highlights the bloated promises of a quick conflict we got fed.
July 6th, 2007 at 9:06 pmApparnetly my link didn’t work, so here you go.
http://spudgeboy.blogspot.com/2006/03/boondoggle.html
July 6th, 2007 at 9:09 pm$1.7 trillion, then when you add post-conflict medical care, national guard equiptment replacement, funding that little fire engine to put out all the fires all over the world because of our invasion and occupation….
July 6th, 2007 at 9:13 pmGah! got cut off. Small amount of the budget over that time, but highlights the bloated promises of a quick conflict we got fed.
Comment by James M. Jensen II — July 6, 2007 @ 9:06 pm
Do you have any concept of how much a trillion is?
July 6th, 2007 at 9:13 pmLiberals said Saddam Hussein would always be in power. They were wrong.
July 6th, 2007 at 9:14 pmWe are the only country that spends 50% of our taxes on defense. Other countries take care of their people, UHC, not the MIC for others to rob.
July 6th, 2007 at 9:17 pmLiberals said Saddam Hussein would always be in power. They were wrong.
Comment by Mr. Cock — July 6, 2007 @ 9:14 pm
Umm…which “liberals” said this?
And while your at it…could you give an explanation of your definition of “liberal”?
July 6th, 2007 at 9:17 pmDo you have any concept of how much a trillion is?
Comment by Mycelium — July 6, 2007 @ 9:13 pm
Off the cuff, that’s about 40 million Priuses.
July 6th, 2007 at 9:18 pmFunny how you all think the dems are the answer to the problem even when confronted with he truth that they are as much a part of the problem as repubs. That you can not come to grips with this fact is truly scary.
Can’t you see they all dem and rebub alike say or do whatever they need to to get elected and then screw us all?
Gore your “prophet†is as much in bed with Israel as any republican or he would have never chosen Joe as a running mate.
Clinton spoke out as loudly about the need to keep nuke out of the Iranians hands as Bush ever has.
Clinton sent us to war in Kosovo were there was no oil which we desperately need and our military is STILL there.
Under Clinton his inept and corrupt Reno led the attacks on Americans in Ruby Ridge and Waco. At least the initial invasion of Iraq went better than that.
Pelosi and Reid funded the war and renewed the Patriot Act.
All this and so much more but yet somehow you continue to repeat this absurd mantra that if we elect more of them things will change. Please wake up before it is to late.
Government is the enemy.
Comment by Troll — July 6, 2007 @ 9:18 pm
July 6th, 2007 at 9:22 pmYES!!
Down with the US Government!!!
Comment by Mr. President — July 6, 2007 @ 9:20 pm
July 6th, 2007 at 9:24 pmIraq war costs could top $1.4 trillion
Is this a “Conservative” estimate or a “Liberal” estimate?
Apparently, Conservatives forgot what ‘conservative’ means about the same time Bush was handed the presidency over six years ago. Nothing about the last six years has been truly conservative. Radically aggressive, yes; Conservative, not even close.
July 6th, 2007 at 9:24 pm“Liberals said Saddam Hussein would always be in power.”
Huh?
July 6th, 2007 at 9:26 pmCT and Mr President better start saving their pennies.
July 6th, 2007 at 9:27 pmOh, Clinton did it too.
Mr Rogers, he did it as well.
July 6th, 2007 at 9:28 pm“Funny how you all think the dems are the answer to the problem even when confronted with he truth that they are as much a part of the problem as repubs. That you can not come to grips with this fact is truly scary.”
Weird, Because this is plagerized from me, only you changed the places of repubs and dems.
See:
Funny how you all think the repubs are the answer to the problem even when confronted with he truth that they are as much a part of the problem as dems. That you can not come to grips with this fact is truly scary.
: )
You should know those you address before deciding what they think.
July 6th, 2007 at 9:29 pmCT and Mr President better start saving their pennies.
Comment by Zooey — July 6, 2007 @ 9:27 pm
Well, since they are the same person, he will have twice as much money.
July 6th, 2007 at 9:29 pmCT and Mr President better start saving their pennies.
Comment by Zooey
You mean instead of spending it al at the No Tell Motel so they can post naked watching each others’ every finger stroke. Oh that’s not their fingers, oops.
July 6th, 2007 at 9:30 pmComment by WaltTheMan — July 6, 2007 @ 9:18 pm
Somehow 40m Priuses don’t seem like too much…but…
http://viewfromthemeadow.com/billion.html
July 6th, 2007 at 9:31 pmSpudge
July 6th, 2007 at 9:35 pmI dont believe and have not said the Republicans are any more the solution than the Democrats. They are all corrupt.
I still remember the good ole’ days of the “small government” and “fiscal responsibility” conservatives.
Not to say anything of their “family values”.
Now that those “conservatives” have all but disappeared, they have left us holding the bag. And so, here we are, four years, several billion dollars, and countless deaths later, wondering how we will ever get out of this mess.
Thank you, Bush cultists, for the horrible chaos you were accomplices in creating. Thanks for nothing.
July 6th, 2007 at 9:39 pmWe all make mistakes Gregor and the only alternative was All Gore and his mate Joe. No use crying over spilt milk. Think the Dems can offer a real candidate this time? Maybe one who can win on values the repubs used to believe in and win on like “small government†and “fiscal responsibilityâ€. That would be a welcome change and a winning platform.
July 6th, 2007 at 9:47 pmTroll; They didn’t do to bad in 2006, did they? They just haven’t delivered on anything yet.
Small government? Thats what the Bushies are craving. Small government check writers for the Big Corporate Privatization schemes. More money, less service, no oversight. There is a word for corporate government. What is that word again?
July 6th, 2007 at 9:53 pmBy 2017?????
July 6th, 2007 at 9:54 pmMission accomplished?
What went wrong here? With three equal branches of government how did one, the executive, manage to get control of the budget and all that money for war? What is the point of being a democracy if a tyrant gets his way year after year. When do the other two branches wake up and say “no” the funding is wrong and illegal?
July 6th, 2007 at 9:57 pmGus
July 6th, 2007 at 10:00 pmThey could easily have not funded the war but they lacked the spine. They have betrayed us all.
remember when republicans were all for fiscal responsibility? What happened to them?
July 6th, 2007 at 10:05 pmAmerican love that fact that the Bush Administration is spending all this money on waste. American believe that it’s ok for the GOP to steal taxpayers money and leave hard working Americans with nothing. Look Bush took the soldiers money for medical care and after two days Americans had no problem letting our troops live like dogs and get no medical help. It’s more important that the Iraq people and the terrorist get the best health care. The price tag for the Bush Administration will be cost to 7 trillion dollars and yes it will be blamed on Bill Clinton.
July 6th, 2007 at 10:05 pmNow when the next President says taxes have to go up it will be blamed on the Democrats not one GOP will be blamed. Bush has successfully made Americans dumb and stupid who will follow idiots and just say what their told. Libby used taxpayers money to pay his criminal fine and Americans have no problem paying a convicted felon’s fines.
When do the other two branches wake up and say “no†the funding is wrong and illegal?
The day they really want to wake up. Right now the war is rallying people around them like they have never seen. The campaign money is coming in hand over fist for the Democrat candidates, there are no complaints about campaign finance issues this time, the small donors are all going to them. They have no real interest in ending the war, until after the election.
July 6th, 2007 at 10:08 pmThat’s cold Tundra.
Might be right as well.
July 6th, 2007 at 10:10 pmComment by hellinabucket — July 6, 2007 @ 10:10 pm
I think they are all playing watch the left hand with the war.
The conservatives will plan on a huge push in anti insurgent activity in the half year before the election (Which will result in less attacks and increased stability over there). “Find” Bin Laden and capture/put him on trial.
Their numbers will go up, the dems got the up front cash, everyone is happy, they meet for beer later and giggle.
July 6th, 2007 at 10:19 pm“Under Clinton his inept and corrupt Reno led the attacks on Americans in Ruby Ridge and Waco. At least the initial invasion of Iraq went better than that.”
I’ll give you Waco, but Ruby Ridge? That happened in August of 1992.
So how come Koresh didn’t just surrender to the ATF when they launched their initial raid? Why did he and his followers open fire on the ATF?
And lastly, should the feds have just left the Branch Davidians alone?
If it had been a raid on a crackhouse in South Central LA where the gangmembers opened fire on federal agents, and a number of children were killed, would there still be an outcry about rights violations, excessive force, and abuse of power?
July 6th, 2007 at 10:25 pmWho was the guy in the Bush Administration who lost his job for saying it could cost 400 billion? and he was under by 300%.
Comment by willyloman — July 6, 2007 @ 8:47 pm
It was Larry Lindsey, Bush’s chief economic advisor and an architect of Bush’s first tax cut. He said it would cost 200 billion. The neocons were outraged, and Lindsey was history.
Go ahead and defend that, trolls.
July 6th, 2007 at 10:30 pmLiberals said Saddam Hussein would always be in power. They were wrong.
Comment by Mr. Cock
Mr. Cock thinks he’s a di*k. He’s right… go figure.
(BTW, you complete ignoramus, “Libruls” said no such thing. if you’re going to come here and lie, better make sure your lies aren’t totally ridiculous…)
July 6th, 2007 at 10:31 pmComment by Tundra — July 6, 2007 @ 10:19 pm
The conservatives are the best thing for the continued dissruptions in Iraq. Instability is what the insurgents want and it’s whats pushing the privatized fleecing of billions.
I have no doubts that the aisles are crossed by some. I also firmly believe that they have lost sight of what is best for this country.
July 6th, 2007 at 10:33 pmAnd universal health care would cost how much per year, roughly?
By 2017? Probably double that $1.4 trillion, annually.
July 6th, 2007 at 10:39 pmAnd universal health care would cost how much per year, roughly?
Comment by BlueArkansas
But… but… universal health care breeds TERRORISTS, Mr. BlueArkansas. I heard it on Fox, it must be true!!!
July 6th, 2007 at 10:40 pmBy 2017? Probably double that $1.4 trillion, annually.
Comment by m12
And… and… it breeds TERRORISTS, too!!!
July 6th, 2007 at 10:41 pmThank you VerbalKint. i was somewhere in the ball park.
I was closer to his numbers than he was to 1.4 trillion. Maybe I could work for the White House.
Wait, there is the lobotomy clause. Oh well, back to WalMart
July 6th, 2007 at 10:41 pmat least we would know the number m12. Unlike the ever growing unpaid unthoughtout how to pay adventure in Iraq. Whose to say Iraq wont’ cost 3 times that much. Boys in the White House want to be there for 50 years. We have a burn rate of 12 billion a month. Do you really think 1.4 trillion is accurate?
Me neither but the last person to tell the asshats in power what it would cost he lost his job. No fear and smear going on here. Right, and Bush didn’t do coke.
July 6th, 2007 at 10:43 pmSomebody go back and get a shitload of zeroes!
July 6th, 2007 at 10:43 pmI wonder if these people try to threaten their children into doing what they say with the TERRORIST bit?
“Johny? You will want to clean up your room to make sure the TERRORISTS AREN’T IN THERE!”
“Sue. Eat your vegitables….OR THE TERRORISTS WIN!!!”
July 6th, 2007 at 10:44 pmRight, and Bush didn’t do coke.
Comment by hellinabucket
That’s right, pal. It was Pepsi, DIET Pepsi…
July 6th, 2007 at 10:51 pmSomebody go back and get a shitload of zeroes!
Comment by RUCerious
Is that the new name for trolls?
I wonder if CT and Mr President are pissed off that they’ll be paying for all this?
July 6th, 2007 at 10:53 pmGreat posts Tundra
Nice to see a bit of honest debate rather than troll feces. Although I often disagree with your views I’ve been a fan of your posts since you first started posting way back. Even debated you back then under a different forgotten handle (computer crash). I remember calling you a ditto-head for some Rush-like remarks though. Seems like you tuned that a$$wipe out long ago.
Gotta agree with you here.
Wonder what deal Pelosi cut with Bush/Darth to keep impeachment off the table?
July 6th, 2007 at 10:55 pmI wonder if CT and Mr President are pissed off that they’ll be paying for all this?
Comment by Zooey
If they ever sober up…
July 6th, 2007 at 10:55 pmIf they ever sober up…
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity
Ritalin must be some good shit.
July 6th, 2007 at 10:56 pm“By 2017? Probably double that $1.4 trillion, annually.”
Comment by m12
Coming from the guy who didn’t know that his own graph about American compensation didn’t include the costs of employer health benefits, I’ll go with the experts’ opinions, thanks.
July 6th, 2007 at 10:57 pmSo? It’s just money. We can always print more.
July 6th, 2007 at 10:57 pmRitalin must be some good shit.
Comment by Zooey
I was thinkin’ more like Sterno, or Carbona in water, or glue in a paper bag… you know, the GOOD stuff…
July 6th, 2007 at 10:59 pmWe can always print more.
That’s what happened in the ’60s to finance the war on Vietnam. It caused the double-digit inflation of the ’70s.
July 6th, 2007 at 11:00 pmA friend of mine is the son of a military name tag/emblem maker.
July 6th, 2007 at 11:01 pmYou think maybe his dad just makes a living doing that?
He is a multi-millionaire.
Only pointing out how diversified the money is with this war thing.
That’s only a tiny little piece.
Just think of the enlightened fools who “design” anti-missle defense systems for unknownn, undeveloped, unproduced and unheard of (In other words they do not exist) giant flying threats coming from all directions.
Don’t want to go there?
That’s a hundred billion every year or so.
The scary part of that is: what would these people do if you shut down their operation and those loose brain cells were looking for work??
#66 Johns ~!
July 6th, 2007 at 11:02 pmThey’d be designing computer systems for the FBI that would never be implemented, after dumping $170 million or so.
I can’t wait to hear the trolls grandkids call them out on all the debt that’s piled up, that they’re gonna have to pay off…
“Grandad, you fu(kwad, what the fu(k were you thinking!
July 6th, 2007 at 11:04 pmOh, that’s right, you weren’t! Asshat!”
So? It’s just money. We can always print more.
Comment by KrissKross
Know which government office never closes? Runs 24hrs/day, even on Christmas?
The Bureau of Engraving. Those guys print new money every minute of every day of the yr.
July 6th, 2007 at 11:04 pmAs long as theyr’e not paying for schools, libraries, and road improvements they’ll be perfectly happy having their grandchildren pay for bombs, rockets, and toxic embassy buildings….
July 6th, 2007 at 11:05 pm“So? It’s just money. We can always print more.” Comment by KrissKross
Reminds me of a line from the old conspiracy novel, Illuminatus: The protagonist, Hagbard Celine, walks up to Wall Street traders as they are leaving the Exchange, offering them wads of cash, saying, “enjoy it while you can – by the time you die, it won’t be worth shit.”
July 6th, 2007 at 11:06 pmPaul Wolfowitz said the war would pay for itself. He was wrong. When Gen. Shinseki said that the Iraq war would cost billions of dollars he was fired. Bush owes the American people an explanation as to why this war has cost so much. And why he has been so wrong about how much it would cost.
July 6th, 2007 at 11:07 pm#72 and why he shouldn’t be impeached for gross negligence and mismanagement!
July 6th, 2007 at 11:08 pmThat’s some deferred tax increase. God Bless George Bush. He’s made sure we’ll all be paying the man for an eternity just so he can go down in history as a “war president.”
July 6th, 2007 at 11:09 pmComment by Probus — July 6, 2007 @ 11:07 pm
I posed that same question to my conservative brother recently and he immediately got angry stating that nobody would have known. This is one of their core faults and it’s also something they refuse to acknowledge. 5 years of supplemental funding without a single plan to pay for this is irresponsible and has damaged this country for years to come.
I said this earlier, What happened to the fiscally responsible republicans? Gone the way of the Dodo I suppose.
July 6th, 2007 at 11:13 pmAnd why he has been so wrong about how much it would cost.
Comment by Probus
Well outside the fact that Herr Brusch is one painfully dumb sack of doorknobs, I’ve read a couple of times over the last few yrs that the secret GOP “master plan” ** cough… cough…** is to run up such a huge deficit for the government tht it collapses, has to sell off all it’s “assets” (bye-bye national parks…), and retract permanently.
This was supposedly begun by Reagan, who, until Brusch came along, held the dubious distinction of running up the worst deficits in US history. Brushc is now BY FAR the big Weiner! He has run up a bigger debt than ALL prior presidents combined, including Ray-gun.
Sounds far-fetched? Look at what’s happening. Who was that sleaze from CA who got bounced out of Congress last fall – Pombo? Wasn’t he the one pushing to sell off parks?
July 6th, 2007 at 11:14 pmWhat to make of the bizarre echo signatures of Troll and Mr Pee in posts #24 and #25 respectively? I’m no techno-geek, but I took it as proof Mr Pee and Troll were one and the same.
It’s particularly sad when trolls need to converse with themselves.
BTW, m12, do you know if that $1.4 trillion includes the costs of treating the wounded veterans coming home? I suspect not. Now that’s socialized medicine that ain’t even necessary. No war, no wounded.
And with universal healthcare, you have something to show at the end of the day: a healthy public working hard to build a nation. What is war good for? Absolutely NOTHING. It’s pure waste and destruction. That $1.4 trillion has just been p!ssed away by neo-cons who believe the stupid fallacy of the broken shop window.
I know why the neo-cons are sh!tting bricks. There will be a massive inquiry in 2009 and dozens will be going down. How many White House officials have resigned so far this year? Rats leaving a sinking ship. And remember: one of Bush’s first presidential directives was sealing the papers of Reagan and Pappy Bush. A curious thing. Would we know of wrongdoing patterns had we’d been able to read what tricks this Gang Who Can’t Shoot Straight had been up to in 1987?
July 6th, 2007 at 11:25 pmAll wars are hideously expensive. They always have been. That’s why most people in other countries wonder why America always wants to go for the military solution. It makes no friends and it’s incredibly wasteful.
The Middle East has largely been a cash sinkhole ever since the failure to resolve the Six Day War. It’s never ended, really.
BTW, what was with the drunken Mr Pee trying to pick fights with a non-existent ace. I take it he can’t deal with ordinary folks, he needs an arch-nemesis.
July 6th, 2007 at 11:29 pmREMEMBER THIS?
Permanent repeal of the estate tax would cost more than $1 trillion over the first ten years in which its cost would be fully felt, 2012-2021.
This is a great time, for the upper 1 1/2%.
July 6th, 2007 at 11:35 pmWell, they should just confiscate any income over $500,000 and take a one time capital tax of 50% of all estates worth more than $100 million.
July 6th, 2007 at 11:47 pmI was thinkin’ more like Sterno, or Carbona in water, or glue in a paper bag… you know, the GOOD stuff…
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity
And you want me to take cheese from you….?
July 6th, 2007 at 11:48 pmOn topic, sort of.
July 6th, 2007 at 11:50 pmToday I heard a report of a retired general, Reagan’s former NSA chief, calling for no funding except for pullout, and impeachment for a veto of that. Was on the Hartman radio show today…
And you want me to take cheese from you….?
Comment by Zooey
Hey, like I said before, each slice is individually wrapped to ensure freshness… and besides, what I do on weekends is my business.
July 6th, 2007 at 11:58 pmI do believe that the trolls here have totally gone over the edge today. It is like reading from a psycho-paranoic’s diary.
It makes a Fellini movie seem like watching Bedtime for Bonzo (The Trolls favorite movie).
July 7th, 2007 at 12:06 amno funding except for pullout, and impeachment for a veto of that. Was on the Hartman radio show today…
Comment by RUCerious — July 6, 2007 @ 11:50 pm
It’d be cool if they’d pull that kind of hoohaw. I’d like to see, “You get us out now or we start Impeachment!”
July 7th, 2007 at 12:10 amJust make sure you start with Cheney.
July 7th, 2007 at 12:12 amHey, like I said before, each slice is individually wrapped to ensure freshness… and besides, what I do on weekends is my business.
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity
I thought you were a bookkeeper!
July 7th, 2007 at 12:19 amToday I heard a report of a retired general, Reagan’s former NSA chief, calling for no funding except for pullout, and impeachment for a veto of that. Was on the Hartman radio show today…
Comment by RUCerious
There was a thread on that last night, RUC. NSA something.
July 7th, 2007 at 12:20 amAnd universal health care would cost how much per year, roughly?
Comment by BlueArkansas — July 6, 2007″
Who cares! It’s not the government’s responsibility or yours, to pay for someone else, to ensure their health! It’s their responsibility!
July 7th, 2007 at 12:33 amSent the bill to PNAC.
July 7th, 2007 at 12:33 amI thought you were a bookkeeper!
Comment by Zooey
I am, and all this talk of chile this and German beer that has finally gotten to me. Must… find… food…
Night all!
July 7th, 2007 at 12:34 am“There was a thread on that last night, RUC. NSA something.
Comment by Zooey — July 7, 2007″
OOOOOOOOOOOOOO, then it must be!
July 7th, 2007 at 12:34 am“Comment by Zooey — July 7″
When are you going to finally explain to all your liberal friends why it took kerry over 5 years to get his Honorable Discharge? Can somebody help this child?
July 7th, 2007 at 12:36 amOOOOOOOOOOOOOO, then it must be!
Comment by michael
Information only halfwit. Simmer down.
July 7th, 2007 at 12:37 amWhen are you going to finally explain to all your liberal friends why it took kerry over 5 years to get his Honorable Discharge? Can somebody help this child?
Comment by michael
I’m tired of you kicking your own ass in our so-called debates.
July 7th, 2007 at 12:38 amReturn to your compulsive masterbation….
Good night, TRoS.
July 7th, 2007 at 12:39 amzooey, when are you going to make an attempt to answer my question? Silence means you have no clue!
July 7th, 2007 at 12:39 amThe amounts suggested by BushCo in the runup to the war are on the Architects of the War page.
The 1.7 billion was for rebuilding. 50- 60 billion was estimated for the war.
Some of us had food stuff flying out of our noses when we heard the estimates. (Lesson, never listen to the news while eating).
Wars are financed by fiat money. Fiat = faux. Which is, in the electronic age, not even much paper. The Federal Reserve System, which is not actually part of the US Government – just a bunch of the biggest banks in the East Coast Financial District- loans the US Government the money. It doesn’t have the money, it just issues a Federal Reserve Note, the US Government enters that amount into their accounts, and it is added to the economy. Pretty nifty huh?
We end up paying for this through inflation. That’s why it hit double digits under Carter. Are you prepared for what it will get to soon?
WHY do CEOs need to make $400 million a year?
Doncha love GOP math?
July 7th, 2007 at 12:42 amtoasterhead where are you? When confronted with facts about the liberals stupid beliefs in global warming, you ran away!
July 7th, 2007 at 12:42 ammichael, see #95.
Continuing to post here confirms your stupidity.
July 7th, 2007 at 12:43 amAll of the predictions made my liberals about this war have been wrong.
There were not 900k refugees as they predicted.
They predicted we would go through whole batalians in one day, and they were wrong.
They claimed that 500,000 lives would be taken and they were wrong.
They claimed the Iraqi people wouldn’t draft a constitution, and they were wrong.
Liberals were wrong about everything about Iraq. They have no credibility on the issue.
July 7th, 2007 at 12:50 am“michael, see #95.
Continuing to post here confirms your stupidity.
Comment by Zooey — July 7, 2007″
zooey, most liberals are stupid but I have to make an exception for a few. And if those few view this blog, their faces must be crimson red when they read your responses! In short, you NEVER make a intelligent point! It appears to most adults that you have a mind of a 6th grader. Just look at your responses to me. You are your own worst enemy! I couldn’t have better ammunition to support my Conservative views! I say, look at the idiot zooey!
July 7th, 2007 at 12:51 amComment by michael — July 7, 2007 @ 12:51 am
Hey, it’s Ann “Michael” Coulter, again.
July 7th, 2007 at 12:53 amIt’s James “Wayne” Carville. aka serpent head.
July 7th, 2007 at 12:55 ama intelligent point! Comment by michael — July 7, 2007 @ 12:51 am
?????? Perhaps some of that 1.4 trillion could have been funneled into our education system.
July 7th, 2007 at 12:56 amMichael, see # 95
“Hey, it’s Ann “Michael†Coulter, again.
Comment by Wayne A. Schneider — July 7, 2007″
Were you trying to make an intelligent point?
July 7th, 2007 at 12:56 amWhen are you going to finally explain to all your liberal friends why it took kerry over 5 years to get his Honorable Discharge? Can somebody help this child?
Comment by michael — July 7, 2007 @ 12:36 am
Well, how about if you provide us with reliable links that answer that question since we appear unable (or unwilling) to do so.
July 7th, 2007 at 12:56 amI couldn’t have better ammunition to support my Conservative views! I say, look at the idiot zooey!
Comment by michael
You have pierced me to my soul, michael. How will I survive it?
**yawn**
July 7th, 2007 at 12:57 am“Perhaps some of that 1.4 trillion could have been funneled into our education system.
Michael, see # 95
Comment by Matt — July 7, 2007″
No thank you! Haven’t we wasted enough on your feel good education system?
July 7th, 2007 at 12:58 am“Well, how about if you provide us with reliable links that answer that question since we appear unable (or unwilling) to do so.”
Why can’t you answer the question? You supported John Kerry.
July 7th, 2007 at 12:59 am“You have pierced me to my soul, michael. How will I survive it?”
With your black heart, I’m sure you will survive.
July 7th, 2007 at 12:59 amWere you trying to make an intelligent point?
Comment by michael — July 7, 2007 @ 12:56 am
I’m just fascinated to discuss something with someone who thinks “VERY highly” of Ann Coulter, but who can’t possibly be Ann Coulter herself. Now could you?
July 7th, 2007 at 12:59 am“Were you trying to make an intelligent point?”
Remember Mike, these are liberals.
They are stupid as shit.
July 7th, 2007 at 1:00 amWell, how about if you provide us with reliable links that answer that question since we appear unable (or unwilling) to do so.
Comment by Wayne A. Schneider
I feel good about “unable.” You should have been there when he kicked his own ass in our “debate.” Priceless! Now he’s reverted to this Kerry bullshit.
July 7th, 2007 at 1:00 am“You have pierced me to my soul, michael. How will I survive it?
**yawn**
Comment by Zooey — July 7, 2007″
I thought you were going to bed? Obviously you hung around to see what I was going to throw at you and you are too inexperienced to counter. Oh well, some day you will grow up! And I guarantee you, you will be a Republican!
July 7th, 2007 at 1:01 am“I’m just fascinated to discuss something with someone who thinks “VERY highly†of Ann Coulter, but who can’t possibly be Ann Coulter herself.”
Ann Coulter is smart. Unlike you, serpent head.
July 7th, 2007 at 1:01 amWith your black heart, I’m sure you will survive.
Comment by Mr. Cock
I don’t believe we’ve been introduced…..
July 7th, 2007 at 1:01 amWhy can’t you answer the question? You supported John Kerry.
Comment by Mr. Cock — July 7, 2007 @ 12:59 am
What proof do you have that I “supported” John Kerry?
And how come you cannot provide the answer you ridicule us for not having?
July 7th, 2007 at 1:01 amNo thank you! Haven’t we wasted enough on your feel good education system?
Comment by michael — July 7, 2007 @ 12:58 am
Oh, that’s right. And Mr. Rogers was evil.
July 7th, 2007 at 1:02 am“Remember Mike, these are liberals.
They are stupid as shit.
Comment by Mr. Cock — July 7, 2007″
I know. I just like playing with them!
July 7th, 2007 at 1:02 am“Now he’s reverted to this Kerry bullshit.”
Kerry shot himself in the ass to get a purple heart in Vietnam, and the Swift Boat vets exposed him for it.
July 7th, 2007 at 1:03 amWell, well, well.
If it isn’t Wayne “A Sophist” Schneider!
July 7th, 2007 at 1:03 amAnn Coulter is smart. Unlike you, serpent head.
Comment by Mr. Cock — July 7, 2007 @ 1:01 am
“Serpent head”? Where did that come from? And, as I am unfamiliar with why I should take offense at this, I choose not to.
July 7th, 2007 at 1:03 amhttp://discovermagazine.com/2007/jun/your-body-is-a-planet
Heres something to make Mr President think about
before he goes to bed
We may not realize it, but each one of us is a walking ecosystem. Minuscule, eight-legged Demodex mites nestle head down inside the follicles of the eyelashes, feasting unnoticed on skin cells.
July 7th, 2007 at 1:03 amWayne “A Sophist†Schneider
If he knew the answer, why would he ask?
July 7th, 2007 at 1:04 amMikey, zip up your pants, your mouse is showing.
July 7th, 2007 at 1:04 amI thought you were going to bed? Obviously you hung around to see what I was going to throw at you and you are too inexperienced to counter. Oh well, some day you will grow up! And I guarantee you, you will be a Republican!
Comment by michael
Actually, if you are able to track for two minutes, I was saying goodnight to another commenter who was going to bed. And even if I decided to stay up after saying goodnight, that’s my business, isn’t it?
Return to your compulsive masterbation…..
July 7th, 2007 at 1:04 am“What proof do you have that I “supported†John Kerry?”
You’re a dumb ass. What more proof do I need?
July 7th, 2007 at 1:05 am“You should have been there when he kicked his own ass in our “debate.â€
Comment by Zooey — July 7, 2007″
Do you mean the debate where I asked you to explain if CO2 contributes to global warming? Can’t wait for this answer!
July 7th, 2007 at 1:05 amKerry shot himself in the ass to get a purple heart in Vietnam, and the Swift Boat vets exposed him for it.
Comment by Mr. Cock
Prove it, Dick.
July 7th, 2007 at 1:05 am“I know. I just like playing with them!”
Me too! It’s like kicking retards.
July 7th, 2007 at 1:06 am““What proof do you have that I “supported†John Kerry?â€
You’re a dumb ass. What more proof do I need?
Comment by Mr. Cock — July 7, 2007″
Try to control your anger and profanity and act like an adult!
July 7th, 2007 at 1:06 am“Return to your compulsive masterbation…..”
Zoobey knows a lot about this subject.
July 7th, 2007 at 1:07 amDo you mean the debate where I asked you to explain if CO2 contributes to global warming? Can’t wait for this answer!
Comment by michael
I mean the debate where you couldn’t even follow basic instructions, and argued my point for me, kicking your own ass before I said a single word.
Thank you. It was quite satisfying.
July 7th, 2007 at 1:07 am““Serpent headâ€? Where did that come from? ”
Be quiet, serpent head. You’re annoying me.
July 7th, 2007 at 1:08 amZoobey knows a lot about this subject.
Comment by Mr. Cock
Well, ya gotta know michael. Mental, verbal, physical — it’s all wanking, all the time.
I have a feeling you know all about it…..
July 7th, 2007 at 1:09 am“Return to your compulsive masterbation…..
Comment by Zooey — July 7, 2007″
I know you are a child attending school at some level. When are you going to display some intelligence?
July 7th, 2007 at 1:09 amYou’re a dumb ass. What more proof do I need?
Comment by Mr. Cock — July 7, 2007 @ 1:05 am
Touche! Who could argue with classic logic like that?
I would like to ask you politely now to stay out of my conversation with michael, please.
michael, can you not please provide us with reliable links (not swiftboatvets, “reliable”) explaining the answer? If it pans out, then I guess your question might deserve an answer.
July 7th, 2007 at 1:09 am“I mean the debate where you couldn’t even follow basic instructions”
You’re a moron.
July 7th, 2007 at 1:10 am“Do you mean the debate where I asked you to explain if CO2 contributes to global warming? Can’t wait for this answer!
Comment by michael
Comment by Zooey — July 7, 2007″
When are you algore dumbo’s going to answer the above question zooey?
July 7th, 2007 at 1:11 amAll predictions ever made by libruls were wrong.
Libruls predicted man would never fly and they were wrong.
They predicted the NFL would never make it and they were wrong.
They predicted that milk would be proven to be poisonous and they were wrong.
They predicted that the sun would split into two and they were wrong about that, too.
Don’t worry which libruls said this. They ALL said it, or at least believed it. Libruls are all stupid and have never been right about a single thing. Every winner on Jeopardy! is a conservative. Libruls have no credibility on anything, not even on what they think.
July 7th, 2007 at 1:11 amI know you are a child attending school at some level. When are you going to display some intelligence?
Comment by michael
Oh, you know so much. How could anyone outwit you?
Well, my 19 years old son, who is smarter than you ever dreamed of being, wants to use the computer, so you will have to wank off with Mr Cock.
Tooooodles!!
July 7th, 2007 at 1:11 am“I would like to ask you politely now to stay out of my conversation with michael, please.”
Go f**k yourself, troll. You are a big supporter of John F’n Kerry. Explain why it took 5 years for him to get an honorable discharge.
July 7th, 2007 at 1:12 amGoodnight, Wayne.
Have fun playing with the smelly trollies!!
July 7th, 2007 at 1:12 amDon’t worry which libruls said this. They ALL said it, or at least believed it. Libruls are all stupid and have never been right about a single thing. Every winner on Jeopardy! is a conservative. Libruls have no credibility on anything, not even on what they think.
Comment by Mr Cock-Brain — July 7, 2007 @ 1:11 am
Does your interplanetary visa expire soon? How much longer will you be visiting this planet?
July 7th, 2007 at 1:13 amMr Cock, what kind of discharge is that oozing from your orifice?
Is it honorable?
It’s gross.
July 7th, 2007 at 1:13 am“Well, my 19 years old son, who is smarter than you ever dreamed of being, wants to use the computer”
What type of loser spends Saturday night with his mommy?
July 7th, 2007 at 1:14 am“michael, can you not please provide us with reliable links (not swiftboatvets, “reliableâ€) explaining the answer? If it pans out, then I guess your question might deserve an answer.
Comment by Wayne A. Schneider — July 7, 2007″
There have been a lot of topics on this thread. What do you want a link to? If it is why did it take kerry 5 years to get his Honorable Discharge, I don’t need to provide a link because I was in the Navy the same time kerry was and I got mine in 1 year!
July 7th, 2007 at 1:15 amComment by Mr. Cock — July 7, 2007 @ 1:12 am
And you are a liar. A sad, pathetic, incoherent, acerebralist liar.
I’d put you in my prayers, but I don’t want to.
July 7th, 2007 at 1:15 amArthur C, I got it from your wife.
July 7th, 2007 at 1:15 amWhat type of loser spends Saturday night with his mommy?
Comment by Mr. Cock
Well, he just dropped off his b*tches at the crack house, and needs to develop some new contacts. Do you mind?
July 7th, 2007 at 1:16 amMr Cock @ 12:50 am # 101
There were not 900k refugees as they predicted.
Yup, we were wrong:
They claimed that 500,000 lives would be taken and they were wrong.
The methodology in that study is what the US Government uses and teaches other countries to use for disaster calculations. Like tsunamis, earthquakes, war, etc.
They predicted we would go through whole batalians in one day, and they were wrong.
They claimed the Iraqi people wouldn’t draft a constitution, and they were wrong.
These claims were made by who and when? Not that the Iraqi constitution is working…
Liberals were wrong about everything about Iraq. They have no credibility on the issue.
Don’t you mean the Bush Administration?
- WMD
- Connection to 9/11
- Supporting and having connections with terrorists.
- Being greeted as liberators.
- The war would be over in no more than 6 months – we could bring our troops home.
Darn right we were wrong. We just weren’t wrong enough.
July 7th, 2007 at 1:16 amWhat the hell is John Kerry running for anyway, ya ginbreathing sap? Get yer head outta the past and outta yer bug-infested ass.
July 7th, 2007 at 1:16 amWhen are you algore dumbo’s going to answer the above question zooey?
Comment by michael
Man made C02 does not break down like natural C02. The problem is that the Carbon sinks (oceans are filling up). Solar Cycles are of course natural the excess carbon however is not. These are two seperate issues, please stop conflating them as one. Besides Jesus was Piscean, you know the two fishes? Water?
July 7th, 2007 at 1:17 amIf it is why did it take kerry 5 years to get his Honorable Discharge, I don’t need to provide a link because I was in the Navy the same time kerry was and I got mine in 1 year!
Comment by michael — July 7, 2007 @ 1:15 am
You’ll have to excuse me if I don’t consider that as “proof”, since you said nothing that could substantiate your claim.
July 7th, 2007 at 1:17 am“so you will have to wank off with Mr Cock.
Tooooodles!!
Comment by Zooey — July 7, 2007″
Do you realize how much your comments cheapen you character?
July 7th, 2007 at 1:18 amSeprent Head lies like a rug.
July 7th, 2007 at 1:18 amZooey,
What business is it of his what your son plans to do tomorrow night?
July 7th, 2007 at 1:18 amWhat type of loser spends Saturday night with his mommy?
Comment by Mr. Cock — July 7, 2007 @ 1:14 am
What type of loser thinks it’s Saturday night when it’s really Friday night/Saturday morning?
July 7th, 2007 at 1:19 am“Well, he just dropped off his b*tches at the crack house, and needs to develop some new contacts. Do you mind?”
Go back to surfing the web with your loser son.
July 7th, 2007 at 1:19 amI don’t need to provide a link because I was in the Navy the same time kerry was and I got mine in 1 year!
Comment by michael
Wheres Dick Cheneys medals?
July 7th, 2007 at 1:19 am#150: I got it from your wife.
That wasn’t my wife. That was Laura Bush.
July 7th, 2007 at 1:20 am”
You’ll have to excuse me if I don’t consider that as “proofâ€, since you said nothing that could substantiate your claim.
Comment by Wayne A. Schneider — July 7, 2007″
Nice side step! So then maybe you can provide a believable explanation why I got mine 4 years earlier then he did?
July 7th, 2007 at 1:20 am“Wheres Dick Cheneys medals?
Comment by Piscean — July 7, 2007″
What does that have to do with kerry, stupid?
July 7th, 2007 at 1:21 amMickey R. loves Barney Frank.
July 7th, 2007 at 1:21 amSeprent Head lies like a rug.
Comment by Mr. Cock
Serpent head. Well thats rather fishy. =)
Dont eat the shellfish!!
July 7th, 2007 at 1:21 amDo you realize how much your comments cheapen you character?
Comment by michael
Do you realize how much your opinion simply does not matter to me — or anyone?
Get over yourself. Mind your own business. Piss off.
Got it?
July 7th, 2007 at 1:22 am163: He said he doesn’t believe you, dumbass. Why would he? Have you said anything to prove you’re anything more than a blowhard poser? No.
July 7th, 2007 at 1:22 amNice side step! So then maybe you can provide a believable explanation why I got mine 4 years earlier then he did?
Comment by michael — July 7, 2007 @ 1:20 am
No more of a sidestep than your non-answer.
Since I was in the Air Force and not the Navy, and since I served about 15-20 years after he did, I wouldn’t know what the procedures for getting discharged were.
Were you an officer?
July 7th, 2007 at 1:22 am“That wasn’t my wife. That was Laura Bush.”
You’re a class act, shit for brains.
July 7th, 2007 at 1:22 amWhat does that have to do with kerry, stupid?
Comment by michael
What does Kerry have to do with war debt?
July 7th, 2007 at 1:23 amI ask you, what kind of person — other than a deeply closeted homosexual — would adopt the nickname “Mr. Cock”?
…
July 7th, 2007 at 1:23 amZooey,
What business is it of his what your son plans to do tomorrow night?
Comment by Wayne A. Schneider
Damn, I missed that. :D
The b*tches are supposed to spend Friday nights downtown…..
Heh.
Goodnight, Wayne. :)
July 7th, 2007 at 1:23 am“michael, can you not please provide us with reliable links (not swiftboatvets, “reliableâ€) explaining the answer? If it pans out, then I guess your question might deserve an answer.
Comment by Wayne A. Schneider — July 7, 2007″
Michael is the one asking the question, and you ask him to provide a link explaining the answer????????
What kind evasive sophistry is that?!?!?!?
July 7th, 2007 at 1:24 amGet over yourself. Mind your own business. Piss off.
Got it?
————–
Don’t you have to change your son’s diaper?
July 7th, 2007 at 1:24 amYou’re a class act, shit for brains.
Coming from you, that’s… meaningless.
July 7th, 2007 at 1:24 amWhat does that have to do with kerry, stupid?
Comment by michael
Well, the way you talk, I figured Dick surely must have a medal if you voted for him. =)
July 7th, 2007 at 1:25 am“I ask you, what kind of person — other than a deeply closeted homosexual — would adopt the nickname “Mr. Cockâ€?”
Again, ask your wife. lol
July 7th, 2007 at 1:25 amWayne, Zooey — I kind of understand the strange appeal of toying with such unsophisticated specimens as michael and this aptly-named “Mr. Cock” but…
I mean, their preadolescent response patterns are fascinating in their own twisted way — but damn, you must feel like you’re trying to organize a roomful of chimpanzees without getting hit with the poo they’re flinging. Challenging, sure, but not likely to be very rewarding.
July 7th, 2007 at 1:25 am“What does Kerry have to do with war debt?
Comment by Piscean — July 7, 2007″
Absolutely nothing! But these threads end up in this stuff! You want to talk about war debt? Let’s go!
July 7th, 2007 at 1:26 am“Michael is the one asking the question, and you ask him to provide a link explaining the answer????????”
Wayne “Serpent Head” is not very bright.
July 7th, 2007 at 1:26 amMr. Cock loves… well, cock. Duh.
July 7th, 2007 at 1:28 amNO NO NO NO NO!!! You mean the neocons were actually completely full of sh*t and we, our children and our children’s children going to have to pay for this war??!! How could they have LIED?? They seemed so HONEST and KNOWLEDGEABLE!!
July 7th, 2007 at 1:28 amAbsolutely nothing! But these threads end up in this stuff! You want to talk about war debt? Let’s go!
Comment by michael
Okay, fine, so you like people stealing your tax dollars for a welfare nation full of muslims?
July 7th, 2007 at 1:28 amWayne “Arrogant Sophist” Schneider,
Your moves ain’t so slick tonight are they? ;)
July 7th, 2007 at 1:29 amMikey R had a gay affair with Barney Frank.
July 7th, 2007 at 1:29 amAbsolutely nothing! But these threads end up in this stuff! You want to talk about war debt? Let’s go!
Comment by michael
Mr Michael, the muslim welfare state lover of big government!
July 7th, 2007 at 1:30 amOkay, fine, so you like people stealing your tax dollars for a welfare nation full of muslims?
Comment by Piscean — July 7, 2007 @ 1:28 am
Fukc no.
July 7th, 2007 at 1:30 am“I ask you, what kind of person — other than a deeply closeted homosexual — would adopt the nickname “Mr. Cockâ€?â€
Again, ask your wife. lol
Comment by Mr. Cock — July 7, 2007 @ 1:25 am
hey, mr. Cock, i went and asked my wife, “Honey, what kind of person — other than a deeply closeed homosexual — would adopt the nickname ‘Mr. Cock’?”
And you know what she said? She said, “Anyone who chooses to identify himself with a name like that must be a deeply self-loathing gay man.”
And she’s a psychiatrist.
July 7th, 2007 at 1:30 amMr Michael financier of Osama Bin Forgotten! =)
July 7th, 2007 at 1:31 amComment by Piscean — July 7, 2007 @ 1:28 am
I say we starve ‘em!
July 7th, 2007 at 1:31 amLOLOLOL!!
July 7th, 2007 at 1:31 amstep 1: Make poo.
step2: Fling it.
step3: Fling more poo…
“we, our children and our children’s children going to have to pay for this war??!!”
You’re not going to pay anything, you loser liberal. You don’t pay enough in taxes.
July 7th, 2007 at 1:32 amAnd how much was the budget for 9-11 – $500,000?
What a deal OBL – great return on investment……
July 7th, 2007 at 1:32 amFukc no.
Comment by Mr. President
Me either. So whose bright idea was it to free the oppressed terrorists?
Wasn’t my idea. Must have been michaels?
July 7th, 2007 at 1:32 amMr. Cock, I feel i should inform you that I’m rubber and you’re glue, so everything you say bounces off of me and sticks to you.
Therefore, you are the one who had a gay affair with Barney Frank.
No one is surprised.
July 7th, 2007 at 1:32 amMr Cock, Try learning how to Google.
John Kerry’s service as active duty ended 1/2/70
He was automatically transferred to the Naval Reserve. His honorable discharge from the Naval Reserve was Feb. 16, 1978
July 7th, 2007 at 1:34 am“Wayne, Zooey — I kind of understand the strange appeal of toying with such unsophisticated specimens as michael and this aptly-named “Mr. Cock†but…
I mean, their preadolescent response patterns are fascinating in their own twisted way — but damn, you must feel like you’re trying to organize a roomful of chimpanzees without getting hit with the poo they’re flinging. Challenging, sure, but not likely to be very rewarding.
Comment by mikey r — July 7, 2007″
Nice composition of words but do you have any idea of what you just said? Let’s examine? Did you make any intelligent point? Absolutely not! You made pointless stupid liberal claims but provided NOTHING to back them up! A liberal tradition! I’m use to this on liberal blogs and that is why I have such fun! Please keep it up? You are Soooooooooooo easy!
July 7th, 2007 at 1:34 amYou’re not going to pay anything, you loser liberal. You don’t pay enough in taxes. Comment by Mr. Cock
So, YOU and YOU alone are financing this quagmire? How then can I, who am not your version of ‘liberal’, be supporting terrorism then?
Mr Cock admits that he alone is freeing the terrorists. Jes Great.
July 7th, 2007 at 1:34 amSheeesh, cockmaster, your’e goood. How did you know I was a three hundred pound welfare mother with ten children? Asshat.
July 7th, 2007 at 1:35 amtest
July 7th, 2007 at 1:35 amI give the terrorists nothing according to michael. Seems to me then I don’t love terrorists. Correct?
July 7th, 2007 at 1:36 am“Sheeesh, cockmaster, your’e goood. ”
Another satisfied customer.
:D
July 7th, 2007 at 1:37 amO’ great michael the azimuth god of navy turrets
Hail to thee great michael for financing this muslim freedom operation
July 7th, 2007 at 1:38 amwhile the poor liberals pay nothing for your welfare nation!
“So, YOU and YOU alone are financing this quagmire?”
Republicans are paying the taxes for it and Republicans are fighting in it.
Liberals really don’t have much say in the matter at all, troll breath.
July 7th, 2007 at 1:38 am“John Kerry’s service as active duty ended 1/2/70
He was automatically transferred to the Naval Reserve. His honorable discharge from the Naval Reserve was Feb. 16, 1978
Comment by Ginny in CO — July 7, 2007″
Yup! My active reserve duty ended in 1970 and I received my Honorable Discharge in 1971. I didn’t have to wait until the low life carter proclaimed amnesty for deserters in 1978!
July 7th, 2007 at 1:39 amYou want us all to stand in a circle and stroke out tax returns so you can have a peak, cockmaster?
July 7th, 2007 at 1:40 amRepublicans are paying the taxes for it and Republicans are fighting in it.
Uh huh. Your paying for the rebuilding of the terrorist infrastructure you so wisely destroyed. Brilliant!! YAY michael!
July 7th, 2007 at 1:40 amYup! My active reserve duty ended in 1970 and I received my Honorable Discharge in 1971. I didn’t have to wait until the low life carter proclaimed amnesty for deserters in 1978!
Comment by michael — July 7, 2007 @ 1:39 am
Were you an officer, too? And did you go into the Naval reserves like he did?
July 7th, 2007 at 1:41 amNice composition of words but do you have any idea of what you just said? Let’s examine? Did you make any intelligent point? Absolutely not! You made pointless stupid liberal claims but provided NOTHING to back them up! A liberal tradition! I’m use to this on liberal blogs and that is why I have such fun! Please keep it up? You are Soooooooooooo easy!
Comment by michael — July 7, 2007 @ 1:34 am
Yeah, michael, it must be easy to have so much fun when you’re not a slave to reading comprehension.
Do I have any idea of what i said? Um… yes, i have a pretty good idea what I wrote AND what it means. I’m pretty sure that both Wayne and Zooey understand too. It wasn’t a sophisticated thought.
What “liberal claims” did I make?
What did I say that requires anything to “back them up”?
Tell the truth, michael — you didn’t even read it, did you? All you did was look at a paragraph, judge that it was a lot of words strung together and figured that you knew what i wrote without having to go through the trouble of actually reading it.
That woudl explain a lot, actually, about the level of your posts this evening.
July 7th, 2007 at 1:41 amBet mine’s WAAAY longer than yours, little wingnut.
July 7th, 2007 at 1:42 amMarlow, you’re all liberals. You don’t pay much if any taxes. And you’re not very chartible either. So smell my farts.
July 7th, 2007 at 1:42 am““John Kerry’s service as active duty ended 1/2/70
He was automatically transferred to the Naval Reserve. His honorable discharge from the Naval Reserve was Feb. 16, 1978
Comment by Ginny in CO — July 7, 2007″
So explain to me why it took him so much longer to get his than mine? We were in the Navy at the same time!
July 7th, 2007 at 1:42 amRepublicans are paying the taxes for it and Republicans are fighting in it.
Liberals really don’t have much say in the matter at all, troll breath.
Comment by Mr. Cock — July 7, 2007 @ 1:38 am
It’s been well-documented that the states that tend to pay more to the federal government than they get back are the so-called “Blue” states, and the ones that get more from the federal government than they pay in are the “Red” states.
So, we in New York are financing your Republican war.
Can we have a refund please? This one was badly managed.
July 7th, 2007 at 1:43 amSo explain to me why it took him so much longer to get his than mine? We were in the Navy at the same time!
Comment by michael — July 7, 2007 @ 1:42 am
Did you go into the Reserves after active duty? Were you an officer? Where you stationed?
July 7th, 2007 at 1:44 amYou WOULD get off off on that. Is your congressman the one who chased little boys?
July 7th, 2007 at 1:45 am“It’s been well-documented that the states that tend to pay more to the federal government than they get back are the so-called “Blue†states”
The Republicans in blue states. Liberals don’t pay much if any taxes. Liberals aren’t funding jack shit. They are just taking.
July 7th, 2007 at 1:46 amYes, cockmaster, and my LONG and THICK contribution from california is building roads and schools in your shitty little backwater cheesedick reichwing community, and I’d like it back also.
July 7th, 2007 at 1:47 amMarlow, you’re all liberals. You don’t pay much if any taxes. And you’re not very chartible either. So smell my farts.
Comment by Mr. Cock
‘Liberal’ would be those supporters of freeing the oppressed terrorists according to michael seeing as according to your monetary theory we didn’t support freeing the terrorists
July 7th, 2007 at 1:47 am“Comment by mikey r — July 7, 2007″
Without researching every post on this thread I don’t recall one by you! But based on your empty challenge, I can assure you that you will NEVER stand up to me! WHY? I have facts on my side and you don’t!
July 7th, 2007 at 1:48 amThe Republicans in blue states. Liberals don’t pay much if any taxes. Liberals aren’t funding jack shit. They are just taking.
Comment by Mr. Cock
Again, you admit to funding/freeing the terrorists you love so much.=)
July 7th, 2007 at 1:48 amI have facts on my side and you don’t!
Comment by michael — July 7, 2007 @ 1:48 am
Sure you do, Miss Coulter. Sure you do. Let’s have them.
July 7th, 2007 at 1:49 amJudging by the quality of logic, rhetoric and level of understanding of the world around him, I would peg Mr. Cock’s age at about ten. Michael maybe a year older. I have nephews who have recently outgrown this sort of argumentative pattern, and they’re going into middle school.
Plus the fact that they are on their computer late on a Friday night (or is it Saturday, Mr Cock?) suggests that they’re either too young for a social life, or they’re real social zeros.
July 7th, 2007 at 1:50 amI’ll bet your’e just one hell of a great guy, cockmaster. When your kid makes a play at the weekend game by kicking his opponent in the shins, do you cheer him on?
July 7th, 2007 at 1:50 amI don’t pay taxes and I don’t fund terrorists.
Thanks michael for proving my point =)
July 7th, 2007 at 1:50 am#223 I know; I feel so GODDAMN YOUNG!
July 7th, 2007 at 1:50 amThat woudl explain a lot, actually, about the level of your posts this evening.
Comment by mikey r — July 7, 2007 @ 1:41 am
This and every other evening….
July 7th, 2007 at 1:51 am“Did you go into the Reserves after active duty?
Comment by mikey r — July 7, 2007″
Yes! Don’t try to say that it’s different for an officer. I have friends who were officers at that time. kerry got his Honorable Discharge because of Carter’s amnesty program in 1978!
July 7th, 2007 at 1:52 ammichael, please offer at least one of these “facts” that you have on your side that will somehow keep me from standing up to you?
Because I have no idea what the hell you’re talking about. And I’m pretty sure you’re not old enough to drink.
July 7th, 2007 at 1:53 amWithout researching every post on this thread I don’t recall one by you!
Comment by michael — July 7, 2007 @ 1:48 am
Yes, stupid, it’s one of the many you replied to. It’s up there, in this very thread for everyone to read.
You prove how slow you are without needing any help from anyone.
July 7th, 2007 at 1:53 amkerry got his Honorable Discharge because of Carter’s amnesty program in 1978!
Carter pardoned those that evaded the draft, which has nothing to do with Kerrys medals.
July 7th, 2007 at 1:54 amYes! Don’t try to say that it’s different for an officer. I have friends who were officers at that time. kerry got his Honorable Discharge because of Carter’s amnesty program in 1978!
Comment by michael — July 7, 2007 @ 1:52 am
When did I say it was different for an officer?
All I did was ask questions, most of which, I see, you ignored. i wonder why that is. Most of the veterans I know — in fact ALL of the veterans I know are proud to detail their history of service. You seem curiously reluctant to do so.
July 7th, 2007 at 1:55 amMarlow, you’re all liberals. You don’t pay much if any taxes. And you’re not very chartible either. So smell my farts.
Comment by Mr. Cock — J
Don’t pay much in taxes???? What? Most republicans I know live off pensions/SS or their dividend check. And those making more than $90,000 per year do not pay their fair share in Social Security tax as it is capped at $90,000. If all had to pay their fair share in taxes, we would not be having future problems with SS and our deficit.
July 7th, 2007 at 1:55 amWell TP censored me, so it’s over. Cockmaster, like I said, you seem like a REALLY GREAT GUY, so we’ll have that little circle group your’e craving, ‘kay?? TA TA ‘wingbats! Sleep tight! Don’t the facts bite!!
July 7th, 2007 at 1:55 amSame old tired lame liberals don’t pay taxes bullshit, different troll. We do work for a living, most of us, I build databases for a great company, they pay me well, I get good health benefits, pay 28% bracket and that’s OK by me.
July 7th, 2007 at 1:57 am“michael, please offer at least one of these “facts†that you have on your side that will somehow keep me from standing up to you?
Comment by mikey r — July 7, 2007″
It’s really pretty simple! Explain why it took kerry 5 times the amount of time to get a Honorable Discharge than it did me and my Ofiicer buddies who served in the Navy the same time he did? Waiting?
July 7th, 2007 at 1:58 amWhat year did you resign your commission, michael?
July 7th, 2007 at 1:59 amWhat was the highest rank you attained, and please name at least two of your duty stations, michael.
July 7th, 2007 at 2:00 amRUCerious: I’ve seen this wingnut tendency to embrace cartoonish stereotypes and pretend that they reflect reality. I don’t know why that works for them, but it sure seems to.
They must seek different things from the world than I do. I’d rather deal with an inconvenient fact than live in a fantasy world, but then, I’m a liberal. I’m in the “reality-based community”.
July 7th, 2007 at 2:00 amExplain why it took kerry 5 times the amount of time to get a Honorable Discharge than it did me and my Ofiicer buddies who served in the Navy the same time he did? Waiting?
The fact is the military issued him a medal, why don’t you ask them the ‘facts’?
July 7th, 2007 at 2:01 ammikey r, I’m just waiting for some facts from michael, then I’m going to ask him if MY Bronze star is also a phoney.
July 7th, 2007 at 2:02 amMr Cock,
I never served in the military, I married into a USAF family. Signing up for duty is a contract. It can vary with your grade, your obligations (eg getting $ for college which was common then. I dated one of those guys) and what you and the service agreed to.
My active reserve duty ended in 1970
Wait. Your active duty or your reserve duty? Are you comprehending the difference? Kerry’s commitment- at an officer’s rank – would have been 4 years. His tours of duty in Vietnam included one a large ship and the swiftboat.
The amount of time he spent on that river is often considered very short – until you find out the casualty rate among the swiftboat crews at the time was horrendous. Like over 50%. Other vets in the service at the time called the boats ‘metal coffins’.
His requirement to serve out the 4 years was spelled out in the transfer papers – he could be called up again for active duty at any time. I believe he chose to extend his service in the NR after the required time was up. I’m not going to google that one.
I gather my response (#152) to your allegations the “liberals were wrong”(# 101) was too difficult to understand so you just ignored it.
July 7th, 2007 at 2:02 amComment by michael — July 7, 2007 @ 1:58 am
Please explain how we are expected to believe you have accurate recollection of facts that happened over 30 years ago, when you cannot even remember having addressed another poster, in this very thread, less than an hour ago.
July 7th, 2007 at 2:03 am“michael, please offer at least one of these “facts†that you have on your side that will somehow keep me from standing up to you?
Comment by mikey r — July 7, 2007″
It’s really pretty simple! Explain why it took kerry 5 times the amount of time to get a Honorable Discharge than it did me and my Ofiicer buddies who served in the Navy the same time he did? Waiting?
Comment by michael — July 7, 2007 @ 1:58 am
You really do have a reading comprehension problem, don’t you?
I asked you for a “fact” that you claim you have “on your side” that would keep me from “standing up” to you.
Your response is some weird challenge that you think has meaning for me.
Where is the “fact”? If you don’t know what “fact” means, there are several good online dictionaries available.
July 7th, 2007 at 2:03 am“What year did you resign your commission, michael?
Comment by RUCerious — July 7, 2007 @ 1:59 am
#
What was the highest rank you attained, and please name at least two of your duty stations, michael.
Comment by RUCerious — July 7, 2007″
What does that have to do with anything? Why did it take kerry 5 times longer to get his Honorable Discharge than me and my friends who served at the same time he did? Are you afraid of the answer? Maybe your hero is a coward?
July 7th, 2007 at 2:04 amHere, michael, I’ll go first.
July 7th, 2007 at 2:04 amSGT E5, US Army. Last duty stations Phu Bai, RVN. I Corps HQ, Oct 69 – Feb 70. DaNang, RVN Feb 69 – Oct 69.
Given the cartoonish stereotypes these wingnuts use to describe the world around them, I’d say they have a hard time telling the difference between the Discovery Channel and Nickleodeon.
Simple things for simple minds.
July 7th, 2007 at 2:04 amYou and your “officer buddies”?
July 7th, 2007 at 2:04 amAnswer the question, coward.
Yes! Don’t try to say that it’s different for an officer. I have friends who were officers at that time. kerry got his Honorable Discharge because of Carter’s amnesty program in 1978!
Comment by michael — July 7, 2007 @ 1:52 am
Now you’ve added the baseless “fact” that Kerry’s discharge had something to do with Carter’s amnesty program.
So, you claim, while unable to back it up, that: a) your discharge as, apparently, an enlisted person took so much less time than his; b) that his being on active reserve while you being on (unspecified, was it active or inactive) reserve played no part in it; and c) Kerry’s discharge had something to do with Carter’s amnesty program. (Without which, by the way, you conservatives wouldn’t have had Lee Greenwood’s country hit “God Bless the USA”, on account of he went to Canada to dodge the draft. I will credit him for a good singing voice.)
Explain why we should believe any of what you said.
July 7th, 2007 at 2:05 amkerry got his Honorable Discharge because of Carter’s amnesty program in 1978!
Comment by michael — July 7, 2007 @ 1:52 am
Now we have a claim by the brain dead troll michael.
Now michael, provide the links, sources (aka facts) to back up what you said.
Or does the requirement to back up what is said only apply to “libruls”?
July 7th, 2007 at 2:08 ammichael, you got zero credibility right now. As an officer, Kerry chose to serve in the Navy Reserves until February, 1978. Get some facts, punk.
July 7th, 2007 at 2:09 amJust one duty station michael, why is that so fu(king hard for you to do. I went first, so pony up or STFU.
July 7th, 2007 at 2:10 amJust one duty station michael, why is that so fu(king hard for you to do. I went first, so pony up or STFU.
Comment by RUCerious — July 7, 2007 @ 2:10 am
It looks like michael wisely chose to STFU.
July 7th, 2007 at 2:12 am“I asked you for a “fact†that you claim you have “on your side†that would keep me from “standing up†to you.
Comment by mikey r — July 7, 2007″
A fact like me and my friends who served at the time all received our Honorable Discharges 1 year after active duty ended even though we were still in the reserves! Why did it take Carter’s amnesty program before your hero kerry got his? Awaiting an answer!
July 7th, 2007 at 2:12 amWe aren’t debating this Kerry discharge are we?
http://news.findlaw.com/legalnews/lit/election2004/docs.html
http://fl1.findlaw.com/news.findlaw.com/hdocs/docs/jkerry/trnsfr2stndyrsrv.pdf
He received a letter stating his IRR was almost complete and urged him to extend that contract.
July 7th, 2007 at 2:13 amOops. My mistake.
michael chose option “C”; continue with his weak-ass sh!t and ignore all the questions and facts put to him that make him look foolish.
July 7th, 2007 at 2:14 amWow.
Michael has you Lefties pulling out all the stops!!!
Michael, you may need to explain what the meaning of the word “is” is!
July 7th, 2007 at 2:14 amHeyooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
michael cannot keep track of whom he has addressed, who has replied to him, in this thread, in the course of roughly 2 hours.
We shouldn’t expect him to be able to remember events that took place 30 years ago.
Maybe he saw Apocalypse in a movie theatre and now he thinks he was in Vietnam, or something…
July 7th, 2007 at 2:15 amwe were still in the reserves
The active reserves or the inactive reserves, michael? The answer is significant. So why are you not being clear? You’ve been asked that several times.
When I was discharged from the Air Force (1988), I went into the inactive reserves, and received my Honorable Discharge right away. Thatwould explain why you got yours right away. So were you inthe inactive reserves?
July 7th, 2007 at 2:15 amTypical MO going on here… trip up the subject by demanding answers to impossible questions.
July 7th, 2007 at 2:15 amHey trolls… the real subject is Iraq war costs could top $1.4 trillion… Your man Bush has dug us into a hole over lies, his corporate buddies have gained much wealth because of war profiteering … we owe China much debt and our future generations are going to suffer greatly. Be it Liberal or Conservative… we are all screwed unless you happen to be one of the 1% of the oober rich.
“As an officer, Kerry chose to serve in the Navy Reserves until February, 1978. Get some facts, punk.
Comment by RUCerious — July 7, 2007″
No he didn’t! He threw his medals over the White House fence and went to Paris to negotiate with the Communists! At that point in time, he was considered a turncoat and coward!
July 7th, 2007 at 2:16 amComment by Tundra — July 7, 2007 @ 2:13 am
And I’m not even a Kerry fan
July 7th, 2007 at 2:16 amWhy did it take Carter’s amnesty program before your hero kerry got his? Awaiting an answer!
Comment by michael — July 7, 2007 @ 2:12 am
There is a claim you still need to substantiate.
Awaiting for those facts….
July 7th, 2007 at 2:16 amNo he didn’t! He threw his medals over the White House fence and went to Paris to negotiate with the Communists! At that point in time, he was considered a turncoat and coward!
Comment by michael — July 7, 2007 @ 2:16 am
Now that’s the Ann Coulter we all know and loathe.
‘Fess up, Ann. It’s you, isn’t it?
July 7th, 2007 at 2:18 amhttp://home.comcast.net/~variouswc/sbusa/ActiveDutyRelease_19700102.pdf
Just read this michael, then come back and ask your dumbass questions again.
July 7th, 2007 at 2:18 am“Pulling out all the stops”, Mr. Pee?
It’s actually much more like an intervention. We have someone in denial and we’re just trying to get through his delirium.
but thanks for your concern.
July 7th, 2007 at 2:19 am“There is a claim you still need to substantiate.
Awaiting for those facts….
Comment by Gregor Samsa — July 7, 2007 ”
No I don’t! You have to answer it! My speculation is, he was originally given a “less than Honorable Discharge” for his anti American behavior! Prove me wrong?
July 7th, 2007 at 2:20 amNo I don’t! You have to answer it!
Comment by michael — July 7, 2007 @ 2:20 am
Yes, you do. No, I don’t.
You made a claim. The burden is on you to substantiate it.
Either that or STFU.
July 7th, 2007 at 2:22 amhttp://home.comcast.net/~variouswc/sbusa//HonorableDischarge_19780216.pdf
And here’s his discharge, after he served his reserve time.
July 7th, 2007 at 2:22 amNow read paragraph 3. Any more questions?
My speculation is that michael never served in any branch of the armed forces, unless you consider his Xbox a battleground.
July 7th, 2007 at 2:23 amMy speculation is, he was originally given a “less than Honorable Discharge†for his anti American behavior! Prove me wrong?
Comment by michael — July 7, 2007 @ 2:20 am
See, michael, here’s where your reading comprehension problem really hurts you.
You claimed earlier that you have the “facts” on your side. Now, when asked for one of those facts — just one, you offer SPECULATION.
Do you understand the difference between “fact” and “speculation”?
Apparently not.
July 7th, 2007 at 2:23 amOh, and michael,
please explain why we should believe you can remember what happened 30 years ago, when you cannot recall whom you have been talking to on this very thread.
July 7th, 2007 at 2:25 amOkay, folks, i think we’ve broken michael. He’s got nothing or he would have produced it by now. It’s pretty clear he never served in the military, and it’s likely that he won’t even serve when he reaches legal age in a few years.
So good night all, it’s been fun.
July 7th, 2007 at 2:25 amOne more thing: Playing Battlefield 2 in your mom’s basement doesn’t count as military experience, michael.
July 7th, 2007 at 2:26 amMy speculation is, he was originally given a “less than Honorable Discharge†for his anti American behavior! Prove me wrong?
Comment by michael — July 7, 2007 @ 2:20 am
Well, if we’re going to allow speculation, then my speculation is, you were originally given a “less than Honorable Discharge†for your homosexual behavior! Prove me wrong?
As you see, that’s not how debate works. You don’t throw a completely untrue, unsupportable point out and then challenge the other side to prove you’re wrong.
July 7th, 2007 at 2:26 amhttp://fl1.findlaw.com/news.findlaw.com/hdocs/docs/jkerry/accptdisnavresrv.pdf
OK Michael here is your proof.
Paragraph 3 requests he return his ID card on 13 Jul 78.
If he had been discharged he would not have still had it.
July 7th, 2007 at 2:26 amHow come none of you will even make an attempt at explaining why it took kerry 5 times longer to get his Honorable Discharge than me and my friends. We were all in the service at the same time!
July 7th, 2007 at 2:26 amOh, “michael” (aka Ann Coulter), you are truly a poor debater.
We have been giving you lots of reasons to explain why Kerry’s discharge took longer than yours. (Here’s another: Maybe the Navy wanted to keep him more than they wanted to keep you.) You refuse to provide ANY proof whatsoever that what you “speculate” might possibly be true. Then you go back to your original, inane, poorly-backed meaningless question.
You are so much like Ann Coulter that it is difficult for me to believe that you are not really her.
July 7th, 2007 at 2:30 amI speculate michael was abused as a child, drinks heavily, and abuses his wife and children to ease the frustration of being kicked around in every thread on ThinkProgress..
Prove me wrong!
Or as our brain dead troll would put it: “Prove me wrong?”
July 7th, 2007 at 2:38 amYou are so much like Ann Coulter that it is difficult for me to believe that you are not really her.
Comment by Wayne A. Schneider — July 7, 2007 @ 2:30 am
Nah, She’s not even fighting that one
July 7th, 2007 at 2:41 amI heard the Republicans are coming out with an Iraq War Tax so all good Americans can show their patriotism and support the war effort.
July 7th, 2007 at 2:50 amCan anyone give me any details on this?
How come none of you will even make an attempt at explaining why it took kerry 5 times longer to get his Honorable Discharge than me and my friends. We were all in the service at the same time!
Comment by michael — July 7, 2007 @ 2:26 am
Michael is a $UCKING LIAR-aren’t you son? 1) you have no friends 2) you are a coward and were never in the military 3) you have no life 4) you are a $ick wad. 5) you spend over 8 hours a day posting on this and other sites-your a complete loser -a pathetic little turd-real men wipe you off the bottom of their boots. 6) if you had any honor or diginty you would pick a time and place 7) your a piece of $hit. 8)-have a nice day.
July 7th, 2007 at 2:58 amTest run
July 7th, 2007 at 3:07 amHow come none of you will even make an attempt at explaining why it took kerry 5 times longer to get his Honorable Discharge than me and my friends. We were all in the service at the same time!
Comment by michael — July 7, 2007 @ 2:26 am
Because he CHASED A CONG INTO THE BUSH AND SHOT THE MOTHER IN THE BACK. you little dip shit key board coward.
July 7th, 2007 at 3:08 am“you spend over 8 hours a day posting on this and other sites”
So do most of the liberals here.
July 7th, 2007 at 3:08 am“Because he CHASED A CONG INTO THE BUSH AND SHOT THE MOTHER IN THE BACK.”
He wasn’t a cong. He was a 14 year old kid in a loin cloth. And Kerry shot himself in the ass.
July 7th, 2007 at 3:09 amThis administration has a history of firing competent people like Gen. Shinseki and keeping incompetent people on like Gonzalez. Both Generals Shinseki and Casey were replace because they didn’t agree with the White House policy on Iraq. Other former members of this administration have shown that they can’t be trusted to show competence at anything like Wolfowitz who tried to get his girlfriend a raise which was against the rules of the World Bank. He was forced out of his job for this. We must hold Bush accountable for why the Iraq war has cost us so much.
July 7th, 2007 at 3:09 am“How come none of you will even make an attempt at explaining why it took kerry 5 times longer to get his Honorable Discharge than me and my friends.”
Why did it take Kerry so long to sign Form 180?
July 7th, 2007 at 3:10 amHe wasn’t a cong. He was a 14 year old kid in a loin cloth. And Kerry shot himself in the ass.
Comment by Mr. C**K — July 7, 2007 @ 3:09 am
I would be interested in seeing your proof of this.
July 7th, 2007 at 3:11 am“We must hold Bush accountable for why the Iraq war has cost us so much.”
Us?
Are you saying you are a Republican, dickwad?
Liberals don’t pay much if any taxes. They just like to take handouts from the goverment.
July 7th, 2007 at 3:12 amSerpent Head, it’s in the book Unfit for Command by the Swift Vets.
July 7th, 2007 at 3:13 amJohn Kerry would have made a great president.
July 7th, 2007 at 3:16 amHe wasn’t a cong. He was a 14 year old kid in a loin cloth. And Kerry shot himself in the ass.
Comment by Mr. C**K — July 7, 2007 @ 3:09 am
what a stupid $uck you are-a loin cloth-you are
July 7th, 2007 at 3:16 ammost likely a boy scout master that lifts them little boys loin cloths. Were you also a male cheer leader? not that there is anything wrong with that.
“John Kerry would have made a great president.”
Great as in Washington, Lincoln, TR?
July 7th, 2007 at 3:17 amJoefriday wants to lift John Kerry’s loin cloth.
July 7th, 2007 at 3:18 amUnfit for Command by the Swift Vets.
Comment by Mr. C**K — July 7, 2007 @ 3:13 am
Oh, of course, your proof is that widely-discredited book written by someone with an axe to grind who was also given the assignment to bring down John Kerry once before by none other than Richard Nixon.
So that’s your source. Got any others? Maybe independent, non-partisan, disinterested party-type sources? The one you provided just doesn’t, how shall I put it, pass military muster.
July 7th, 2007 at 3:19 amAll the Swift Vets back up the story, and little John Kerry is the only one disputing it who was there. He is a crackly face asswipe, and you are too.
July 7th, 2007 at 3:20 amAll the Swift Vets back up the story, and little John Kerry is the only one disputing it who was there. He is a crackly face asswipe, and you are too.
Comment by Mr. C**K — July 7, 2007 @ 3:20 am
And it’s my understanding that not ALL (as you assert) of the vets who served with Kerry in the swift boats back up that story. I heard them dispute it with my own ears. So your statement is not true and, therefore, does not support your argument.
Neither does your juvenile gutter mouth.
July 7th, 2007 at 3:22 amJoefriday wants to lift John Kerry’s loin cloth.
Comment by Mr. C**K — July 7, 2007 @ 3:18 am
Your mother wears army boots!
loin cloth-where the $uck did you get that? Do you read Daniel steele ?
July 7th, 2007 at 3:23 amYou’re full of shit, Serpent Head. Every Swift Vet that was there says Kerry shot a boy in a loin cloth. You are a liar and a piece of garbage.
July 7th, 2007 at 3:24 am“Your mother wears army boots!”
So does Hillary, the Democrats’ nominee for President.
July 7th, 2007 at 3:25 amWHat the FuKC is Up NoW my Lefty SHeepLE!!!!!!!!?!??!?!?!?!
July 7th, 2007 at 3:25 amMr. President, these liberals are dumb sir.
July 7th, 2007 at 3:26 amWayne “A sophist”Schneider\
Are you still trying to refute Michael’s claim by evading the question?!?!?!?!?!!
MWAHahahahahahHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I once thought you had more intellectual integrity than that,
I was wrong.
July 7th, 2007 at 3:28 amWayne doesn’t have any integrity whatsoever.
July 7th, 2007 at 3:30 am-Mr Cock $ucker-every swift boater that was there supports Kerry-it is just chicken shit turds like you that say other -I repeat-you are a coward and a piece of shit that has never served our country-pick a time and place little boy.
July 7th, 2007 at 3:30 amMr. C**k
What happened?
Did ThinkProgress CENSOR your name???
Typical Lefty Hypocrisy!
July 7th, 2007 at 3:30 amComment by Mr. C**K — July 7, 2007 @ 3:24 am
Before I go off to bed with my wife, let me point out to you why your side always has such unreliable sources. We liberals tend to have love in our hearts, and we choose to believe sources that love the same things we do (such as truth, arts, music, science, etc.). Your side, on the other hand, have hearts filled with hate and so you choose to believe sources that hate the same things you hate (liberals, John Kerry, Jimmy Carter, FDR, and, of course, the Clintons, including Chelsea, etc.)
That is why you can never convince us by referencing a source whose story is influenced by a hatred of something. John O’Neill has hated John Kerry for decades. When Kerry testified before Congress as a younf man, Nixon sent O’Neill out to discredit him.
Good night everyone. I’m glad it’s not my night to clean up the crap these jerks have been flinging at us.
July 7th, 2007 at 3:31 amHey look at me! I’m joefriday! I like to post in all italics!!!
Actually, I just don’t know how to take the italics off because I’m an idiot!!!
Comment by joefriday
July 7th, 2007 at 3:32 amhttp://mediamatters.org/items/200408250002
This is why I don’t believe your source on John Kerry.
July 7th, 2007 at 3:34 amComment by Mr. President — July 7, 2007 @ 3:32 am
$uck you! $uck you
July 7th, 2007 at 3:35 amThe Winnipeg Sun tells the story of Libby and protecting Cheney and Bush…
Canadian publications still use FACTS and tell the WHOLE STORY.
http://winnipegsun.com/News/World/2007/07/04/4310861-sun.html
American “journalism” is RARE.
A couple of years ago, a group of Canadians told me that they considered the “news” in the USA to be PROPAGANDA.
And THAT is the difference between Nixon going down and Bush getting away with his TREASON–
The Press did its job and asked HARD questions.
Not anymore. They make half a million a year, and if they tell the TRUTH about Bush and his WAR CRIMINALS, they get SMEARED,
LOSE THEIR JOB, etc.
So the press is now in bed with the CRIMINALS, rather than REPORTING to the USA the CRIMES of the Bush CRIMINALS.
And Olbermann was right.
Nixon had the HONOR to RESIGN.
Bush is just a sleazy coxucker TRAITOR to the USA…
July 7th, 2007 at 3:35 amMedia Matters is a lying leftwing website, Serpent Head. You are a stupid shithead.
July 7th, 2007 at 3:36 amBWAAAAAAAAAAHHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
“This is why I don’t believe your source on John Kerry.
Comment by Wayne A. Schneider — July 7, 2007 @ 3:34 am”
BECAUSE YOU ARE BRAINWASHED BY YOUR LEFTY
ISLAMO-STALINIST PROPAGANDA SITE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
BwaHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
July 7th, 2007 at 3:38 amComment by Mr. C**K — July 7, 2007 @ 3:36 am
Well, I’m glad that posting your acerebralist drivel makes you feel like a big man.
My wife is waiting for me. Your mother is calling you. I’d tell you to have a nice life, but I really don’t care what fate befalls you.
July 7th, 2007 at 3:39 amA GREAT question about Libby from the RUDE PUNDIT.
http://rudepundit.blogspot.com
A Genuine Question Regarding Joseph Wilson:
Has any right-winger, in all this time, come up with a legitimate reason for there being a need to discredit Joseph Wilson by outing his wife through Scooter Libby? Because if, as conservatives claim, Wilson was demonstrably wrong in his Niger report, it seems you’d just show he’s wrong and leave his wife out of the whole damn thing. Unless…well, you know.
Anyone got an answer they can point out?
July 7th, 2007 at 3:40 amComment by Mr. Bush Goes To Hell — July 7, 2007 @ 3:35 am
YOU ARE A NANCY-BOY AND YOU ALWAYS HAVE BEEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!
NOW YOU COME ON HERE CITING A CANADIAN SOURCE!!!!!!!
WHO ARE YOU KIDDING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
BWAAHahahahahHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11
July 7th, 2007 at 3:40 amComment by Mr. Bush Goes To Hell — July 7, 2007 @ 3:40 am
How much cough syrup have you been drinking!!!!!
ANd I’m Mr. Bush SO GEt a NEw NAME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
July 7th, 2007 at 3:42 amNixon had the HONOR to RESIGN.
Bush is just a sleazy coxucker TRAITOR to the USA…
July 7th, 2007 at 3:43 amPresident Bush is no traitor, you just think that because of your brainwashing.
July 7th, 2007 at 3:44 amNixon had the HONOR to RESIGN.
Bush is just a sleazy coxkucker TRAITOR to the USA…
July 7th, 2007 at 3:47 amLiberals smell.
July 7th, 2007 at 3:48 amBush hasn’t done anything to warrent impeachment or for him to resign!
July 7th, 2007 at 3:48 amClinton and his ugly wife should have resigned.
July 7th, 2007 at 3:49 amBush is killing terrorists and preventing further 9/11’s. Bill Clinton caused 9/11 to happen.
July 7th, 2007 at 3:51 am“Clinton and his ugly wife should have resigned.”
Nixon had the decency. Bill Clinton did not. Clinton is shameless.
July 7th, 2007 at 3:52 am“Bill Clinton caused 9/11 to happen.”
9/11 was planned and perfected during Clinton’s last three years in office, while he was chasing around fat interns. He didn’t do shit about terrorism!
July 7th, 2007 at 3:53 amTRAITOR Reagan is DEAD and BURNING IN HELL.
Bush 41’s time is coming, THE BIGGEST TRAITOR coxucker PUNK of ALL
Pardoned INTERNATIONAL TERRORIST Orlando Bosch and the Iran/Contra TRAITORS to cover HIS and TRAITOR Ronnie’s azz.
junior is just a WIMP of a TRAITOR compared to Daddy.
But they will ALL BURN IN HELL FOR THEIR GENOCIDE and EVIL…
July 7th, 2007 at 3:55 amBush could be killing more terrorists, but the g*d damn Leftists think that those sh*teaters deserve the full rights of US citizens!!!
They forefit those rights when they start to eat the Islamo shit!!!!
July 7th, 2007 at 3:55 amDid anybody see Joe Biden call Bush braindead today? What an asswipe!
July 7th, 2007 at 3:56 amBiden is just an example of “poll-driven morality”. He is unfortunately a symptom of a bigger problem…
Americans suffer from Narcissistic Personality Disorder.
Unless and until we “wake up†and give credit for our success as a nation to the One who gave us our place, we are not going to get better, we are going to see more and more like Joe Biden.
July 7th, 2007 at 3:56 amBiden is just trying to inject some life into his moribund, brain-dead campaign by stirring up controversy. The ‘Republicans are stupid’ canard is about as old and worn out as it comes. And this from a man who has much to be modest about, as the saying goes.
It won’t work, of course. The country marked him as a prevaricating blowhard years ago. I can only assume he continues his campaign to gain attention for his misshapen ego.
Like Hugh Hewitt, I hope Slow Joe stays around as long as possible. If he didn’t exist, Republicans would be forced to invent him.
July 7th, 2007 at 3:57 amComment by Mr. Bush Goes To Hell — July 7, 2007 @ 3:55 am
All you do is come on and post your vitriol.
You don’t have shit to say, all you can do is post your pro-muslim propaganda!!!
July 7th, 2007 at 3:57 amLet’s see:
July 7th, 2007 at 3:57 am- Biden is (with apologies to rocks everywhere) dumb as a box of rocks
- the NY Times will carry his and ANY Democrats water anyway
- speaking of water…it’s WET!
Did anybody see Joe Biden call Bush braindead today?
God Bless Joe Biden for telling the TRUTH,
Bush is a sleazy TRAITOR coxucker PUNK.
July 7th, 2007 at 3:57 amsomeone like Biden who has as much chance of becoming President as Lyndon LaRouche, really doesn’t have much standing to make comments like that.
July 7th, 2007 at 3:58 amHe has just proven the phrase “dumbing down of America”. I like a tough President however I also like them to do it in an intelligent manner, you know, “your either with us or against us†it was simple yet salient and did not include insults.
July 7th, 2007 at 3:58 amThis is just like Kerry’s ‘accidentally’ recorded campaign comments of ‘I can’t believe I’m losing to this guy’.
It’s red meat for the MSM and gets them all sweaty and excited, but in the end it reflects poorly on the candidate who comes off as small and petty.
Americans tend not to support political candidates who whine or complain about their opponents.
July 7th, 2007 at 3:59 amYawn. Keep moving folks. Just another liberal media whore showing his a$$.
July 7th, 2007 at 4:00 amAll you do is come on and post your vitriol.
Yeah, but I TELL THE TRUTH.
YOUR vitriol is the Coulter/Hannity/O’Dildo/Rush HATRED all based on LIES.
And Bush is a sleazy TRAITOR coxucker PUNK.
God Bless the Democrats and SUBPOENAS.
May Bush and ALL his WAR CRIMINALS feel the WRATH OF GOD for their CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY.
July 7th, 2007 at 4:00 amStirring statement from Biden… is it original – or did he plagerize again. I for one am sick of this name calling. It must drive them nuts when Bush does not descend to their level. Oh and the “back on his heels†part.. I belive that Congress has a lower rating than GW…
July 7th, 2007 at 4:00 amnancy, Biden said ‘balls of his heels’, which is idiotic and makes no sense. Perhaps he mixed up two anatomical metaphors. But then again, who is surprised?
July 7th, 2007 at 4:01 amBurn in hell, TRAITOR coxucker PUNK Bush.
Along with ALL YOUR TRAITOR WAR CRIMINALS.
And ESPECIALLY the FREEPERS on this board.
ROTFLMAO!!!!
Translation:
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
July 7th, 2007 at 4:02 amBush is not ‘brain-dead’. Like virtually all people who have been elected president, he is an intelligent individual and a skilled politician.
He is also possessed of certain characteristics–stubborness, inflexibility, inabiity to communicate effectively–and beliefs–amnesty, changing the world–that have cost him much political support of late.
Political disagreement is one thing, but that doesn’t imply your opponent is intellectually deficient.
July 7th, 2007 at 4:02 amLet’s see now, the population of Delaware is 860,000 less than a million. Joe Biden, who represents the State of Delaware in the US Senate, is running for President.
No one thinks Biden has any chance of being elected. He has run before, losing badly, and on one occasion having to withdraw because he repeated an entire speech by Niel Kinnock, passing it off as his own.
Now for 2008, he shamelessly campaigns once again, going around the country spending money and giving speeches, pretending he is important.
As long as he bashes Republicans he will get publicity and has little to fear from those he attacks, all of whom are infinitely more popular and important than he is.
The Iowans who stand there spending time listening to this pathetic candidate are the ones who must be brain dead.
July 7th, 2007 at 4:03 amI enjoy Biden’s hijinks. The more he is quoted, the better for my causes and candidates.
Most will see he is a clown, and not view him as a serious person. He fits right in with the rest of the dem field.
July 7th, 2007 at 4:04 amBut since Bush managed to get himself made Preident, and Biden will never go beyond Senior Senator Chia Pet, what does that say about Biden’s brain?
If the maggots aren’t nibbling at it, the flies must be very interested,
July 7th, 2007 at 4:05 amI wonder if Biden plagiarized his ‘Bush is brain dead’ comment. Somebody should investigate.
July 7th, 2007 at 4:05 amThe only reason you FREEPER punks have been able to post on this board is that the LEFT values FREE SPEECH.
If I posted on any of the rightwing nutjob boards, they would ban me IMMEDIATELY.
And Libby deserves the ELECTRIC CHAIR for his TREASON in exposing a CIA spy (one of SEVEN in the Bush administration) and covering the azzes of TRAITORS Cheney and Bush.
SLEAZY coxucker TRAITORS to the USA…
July 7th, 2007 at 4:05 amBiden. I believe that is a French word for a bidet that was accidentally used as a toilet.
July 7th, 2007 at 4:05 amDidn’t Biden say something last year about Indian-Americans stereotypically operating 7-11s?
July 7th, 2007 at 4:06 amBiden is another Senator for life from a small state who has no where to go but down. He is keeping his seat warm for his son, the Delaware State Attorney General.
July 7th, 2007 at 4:07 amThat may not ultimately happen, Nipsy. The fastest growing parts of Delaware are the Republican counties to the south. If they continue to outstrip Sussex in population growth, then the state will flip back to its GOP roots–barring a flood Bush’s illegals, that is.
July 7th, 2007 at 4:07 amI wonder what Biden’s IQ is? I mean someone who is so bright has to steal the campaign speech of a failed British politician is really in a position to call someone brain dead. To see brain dead just watch him during a democratic debate.
But this insults the intelligence of the genuine brain dead.
July 7th, 2007 at 4:07 am“Bush is not ‘brain-dead’. Like virtually all people who have been elected president, he is an intelligent individual and a skilled politician.â€
July 7th, 2007 at 4:09 amGoodnight Nazi azzhole-lickers of TRAITOR coxucker PUNK Bush the AWOL coward and Cheney the 5-deferment Chickenhawk.
God Bless America, the DEMOCRATIC PARTY and the SUBPOENAS and subsequent trials and jailing of TRAITORS Bush and Cheney.
For the REST OF THEIR LIVES.
FREEPERS, let the circle-jerk BEGIN.
WANK WANK WANK!!!
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
BUAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJA! (Spanish)
July 7th, 2007 at 4:09 am“FREEPERS, let the circle-jerk BEGIN.”
The Freepers have arrived! This non-partisan blog is about to become conservative.
July 7th, 2007 at 4:24 amComment by Bo jackson — July 7, 2007 @ 4:24 am
Are you kidding?
This is not a non-partisan blog!
THIS IS A LEFTY PROPAGANDA MACHINE!!!!
July 7th, 2007 at 4:43 amAny twinks on-line tonight?
July 7th, 2007 at 5:16 amWell, Mr. President was here less than an hour ago.
July 7th, 2007 at 5:21 amSpeaking of Clinton and Kosovo:
In a few months, a 10-foot statue of Bill Clinton will join a 25-foot mural of Bill Clinton on a thoroughfare called Bill Clinton Boulevard in Pristina, the capital of Kosovo.
“He is our savior. He saved us from extermination,” sculptor Izeir Mustafa tells Reuters. “I was thrilled by the work because I know what he did for us.”
July 7th, 2007 at 6:37 amJeez the trolls really stunk up the place last night.
They’re all sleeping it off, under their bridge.
July 7th, 2007 at 6:47 amWrong. Some of us are already awake and ready for the morning shift.
July 7th, 2007 at 7:06 amNotice how most of the troll comments are about Kerry and Clinton and Not about George W. Bush. Why is that??
July 7th, 2007 at 7:33 amThe fascist here keep complaining how the money could have been used on health care. Its a sad day. “Live free or die” has become “I’ll surrender liberty, please give me health care”.
July 7th, 2007 at 8:19 amIts a sad day. “Live free or die†has become “I’ll surrender liberty, please give me health careâ€.
Comment by Troll — July 7, 2007 @ 8:19 am
Absolutely.. It should read “Live insured or die”.
July 7th, 2007 at 8:37 am“There is a lot of money to pay for this. It doesn’t have to be U.S. taxpayer money. We are talking about a country that can finance its own reconstruction and relatively soon.”
- Paul Wolfowitz
July 7th, 2007 at 10:02 am“Live free or dieâ€
I’ve lived in NH for a long time and this has never been much more than a silly explaination for wanting to live in the past. Shit, it couldn’t even cut it a a liscence plate motto. I suppose you would agree though that living free would include freedom to marry anyone you choose regardless of gender, freedom to utilize recreational drugs in the privacy of your own home, freedom to make one’s own decisions as to reproduction, and all sorts of others. Right?
July 7th, 2007 at 10:04 amdbadass
July 7th, 2007 at 10:06 amYes.
Though Marriage is a religious institution government should recognize only civil unions.
Abortion is a states rights issue and the feds should only regulate the abortion industry which has little oversight presently.
July 7th, 2007 at 10:10 am369
July 7th, 2007 at 10:11 amThen your consistency deserves respect
Remember kids…when we spend $1.4 trillion on Iraq, it’s called “liberty,” but when we spend it on America, it’s called “socialism!”
July 7th, 2007 at 10:14 amWhen the power the fed has been taken back and returned to the states corruption will not end but the citizens ability to deal with it will be restored.
July 7th, 2007 at 10:14 amGood morning troll patrol (and progressives)
July 7th, 2007 at 10:21 amYes; live free or die. great motto for you trolls, for only you recognize your obligation to serve those ends by joining our illustrious military. There you can put action behind your empty rhetoric of Clinton did it or the Jews did it or Bush is the greatest.
Thank you again trolls for enlisting, and joining the fight you support so vocally.
Or are you cowards?
I’m too old to enlist and was a late boomer anti-war hippie when I was younger. I was too young too have fought in Vietnam though I did register with the selective service as a conscientious objector at the time. I am not an absolute pacifist though as a kid I used to be and still have strong pacifist leanings.
My thinking has evolved particularly because of the muslum religion and its positions regarding liberal society. I now believe that we have a right to self defense and I also believe that at times we have a moral duty to come to the defense of our fellow human beings. That war and violence is at times necessary for the survival of liberal democracy and that not all religions are equal some are bent on our destruction we need to be vigilant and posibly proactive in the defense of liberty.
July 7th, 2007 at 10:42 amI can’t believe how few of the preceding comments were about the thread topic and about how effectively cheney, bush and all of their thieving friends have fleeced this country.
So, the cost of the Iraq invasion/occupation seems to be rising? How nice for halliburton and blackwater! How stupid are we?
July 7th, 2007 at 10:45 amMarg
How much have we spent in Kosovo? You have no clue do you? Have any idea why? Because it was a liberals war so TP and the media do not remind you every day.
How many civilians died in our war in Kosov? It doesnt matter to you cause your darling Clinton started that one.
I have no allegiance to either party so I can face the facts which you hide from. Both are screwing the good people of the US.
July 7th, 2007 at 11:14 am“$12 billion per month, well above the $8.7 billion in FY2006.â€
A large portion of that money is going to the contractors in Iraq who make roughly 5 times what a US soldier makes. And I read recently that there are now more contractors in Iraq than there are soldiers.
My advice to the Democrats is to cut off all money to contractors in Iraq. That will bring our soldiers home in a hurry and the Republics can’t accuse the Democrats of “not supporting the troops”.
July 7th, 2007 at 11:16 amMy advice to the Democrats is to cut off all money to contractors in Iraq. That will bring our soldiers home in a hurry and the Republics can’t accuse the Democrats of “not supporting the troopsâ€.
Comment by Katie — July 7, 2007 @ 11:16 am
I agree, Katie. I’ve been advocating exactly that. Cut off funding for the contractors.
July 7th, 2007 at 11:19 am#364 Notice how most of the troll comments are about Kerry and Clinton and Not about George W. Bush. Why is that??
Comment by Badger
Two reasons: The first, is that is all they have to talk about, and second, they like living in the past, as their present and future are so bleak. They even are resorting to trying to channel ronnee raygunz through fred flintstone thompson!
How sad their poor little lives must be!!
July 7th, 2007 at 11:28 am#378 I agree, Katie. I’ve been advocating exactly that. Cut off funding for the contractors.
Comment by Wayne A. Schneider
Holy Crap!!! What are you thinking???? What would Darth and the BushCo families live on, if their dividend/bribery checks from Halliburton, BlackWater and Big Oil were cut off??
How would they survive? That would be SOOOO cruel!
July 7th, 2007 at 11:34 amHow would they survive? That would be SOOOO cruel!
Comment by upside00 — July 7, 2007 @ 11:34 am
HA-HA! And deservedly so.
July 7th, 2007 at 11:36 amWe could avoid the total cost of the war by abandoning our imperialist ways and spending our $1.4 trillion on renewable energy research.
July 7th, 2007 at 11:40 amWith all due respect to Troll (you do not sound like a troll, you state your position and do not call people names) if we could meet our energy needs without sucking out all our oil that god mistakenly placed in the Mideast, they could eat sand and we have no reason to invade. The Muslims are not our real problem, they have a right to defend themselves from invaders. When we call three countries the axis of evil, then invade one of those, the other two decide to develop nuclear weapons. It is self defense, from their point of view. If you threaten Christians, and then kill a million of them, would not other Christians be arming themselves and preparing for war?
Energy independence is our road to freedom, not killing and occupying oil producing nations.
And troll; all mslims, including our “friends” in Saudi Arabia? You know, the ones Bush holds hands with.
Badger,
The reason is that they can’t defend what these TRAITORS have done, so they try to distract and muddy the waters until people who want INTELLIGENT discussion end up leaving.
I ended up in a posting match with either 10 trolls from the Free Republic, or mr. “president” with 10 browsers going.
The thing is that I simply kept telling them that Reagan, Bush 41 AND 43 are traitors, and that junior is a TRAITOR coxucker PUNK.
It PISSED the trolls off SO MUCH, calling me “biased” and “vitriolic”, etc., and I just tell them the SAME about junior.
So, KEEP TELLING THE HARSH TRUTH about Bush, Cheney, Burhs 41 and TRAITOR Reagan, the Iran/Contra king…
Amazingly enough, when I said “goodnight/enjoy your circle jerk”, the postings stopped IMMEDIATELY.
And one troll responded “TP is now a CONSERVATIVE board”. But of course, they contribute NOTHING, do it to piss US off.
Just keep posting that the abovementioned TRAITOR coxucker PUNKS are just THAT (use your own words, of course), and respond to NONE of their bullzhit.
They may not go away, but you will have them UNDER CONTROL, because they aren’t diverting SERIOUS, INTELLIGENT discourse.
God Bless America, the Democratic Party, SUBPOENAS, and Bush and Cheney being indicted, convicted, and JAILED until they DIE!!
July 7th, 2007 at 11:46 amHow much have we spent in Kosovo? You have no clue do you? Have any idea why? Because it was a liberals war so TP and the media do not remind you every day.
“The British “Financial Times” quoted a finance analyst as saying that the 78-day air-raid actions cost an estimated sum of over US$7 billion, averaging US$0.1 billion a day. The newspaper added that the United States, Britain and France bore the greater part of military expenditures. Of course, the United States contributed the bulk, over three-quarters of the total.”
July 7th, 2007 at 1:34 pmHow much have we spent in Kosovo? You have no clue do you? Have any idea why? Because it was a liberals war so TP and the media do not remind you every day.
Peacekeeping costs are estimated at 2-3 billion per year.That’s what – a week in Iraq? And unlike Iraq, that money is well spent because it’s working. Iraq, on the other hand, is an abject failure .
How many civilians died in our war in Kosov? It doesnt matter to you cause your darling Clinton started that one.
500, you witless moron. Even the exaggerated figure by the Yugoslav government is only five thousand. That’s about four slow months in Iraq. And the Kosovo action saved lives.
The total war related deaths in Iraq is somewhere around 700,000 now, not counting a million more wounded. There is no comparison. None.
I have no allegiance to either party so I can face the facts which you hide from. Both are screwing the good people of the US.
Bullshit. You’re just a conservatard who’s running from your own failures and the failures of your party
July 7th, 2007 at 2:29 pmRemember when Harold Nachios, in the run-up to the war said it would cost on $2-3 BB, tops?
How much energy independence and domestic jobs would $1.4 trillion have bought us, investing in renewable/alternative energy, conservation strategies, and infrastructure retooling?
Remember, this is all about the $100TT of estimated oil that this administration wants to deliver to their primary benefactors – Big Oil. They are cramming the Hydrocarbon law done the throats of the Iraqi people, a legal stealing of their resources….and Kurds, Shia, and Sunni’s all know it. Another Bush-republican pipedream….
July 7th, 2007 at 5:01 pmThis is some big ticket thievery. Talk about laughing all the way to the bank. What/who ever is behind the dumb shit in the oval office has all the corners figured and just sank a triple bank shot, so to say. (Unlike some writers of note I can call out a metaphor when I need to.) Killing has always been a large profit business, life being so cheap and all.
If we don’t see this cabal reversed, justice of the most severe kind against this evil, than our country has meant nothing and has become nothing but a blemish on history. Greed appears to lead to this end, sort of just like the Jesus “they” think they know when he said that the love of money is the root of all evil. We are seeing this in spades.
July 8th, 2007 at 12:57 amenough gambling metaphors