Lieberman Recycles Iraq Talking Points To Justify War With Iran
Lieberman Recycles Iraq Talking Points To Justify War With Iran
Last month, Sen. Joe Lieberman (I-CT) argued on CBS’s Face the Nation, that the U.S. should “be prepared to take aggressive military action against the Iranians to stop them from killing Americans in Iraq.” “If there’s any hope” of stopping Iran’s nuclear program, “we can’t just talk to them. … We’ve got to use our force and to me that would include taking military action.”
Today in a Wall Street Journal op-ed, Lieberman writes, “[E]very leader [in Washington] has a responsibility to acknowledge that…the Iranian government…has all but declared war on us and our allies in the Middle East.” He argues that the use of force against Iran is needed for one primary reason — to temper Iran’s “expansionist” desires to “dominate” its neighbors:
Iran is acting aggressively and consistently to undermine moderate regimes in the Middle East, establish itself as the dominant regional power and reshape the region in its own ideological image.
…[Iran] hopes to push the U.S. out of Iraq and Afghanistan, so that its proxies can then dominate [neighboring] states. Tehran knows that an American retreat under fire would send an unmistakable message throughout the region that Iran is on the rise and America is on the run. That would be a disaster for the region and the U.S.
Lieberman, however, used nearly identical talking points to retroactively justify the U.S invasion of Iraq. In the spring of 2004, after the search for WMDs proved fruitless, Lieberman argued that without U.S. intervention, Iraq would have embarked on its own campaign to dominate the “Arab world”:
I believe that [Iraq] developed [weapons of mass destruction] to use them against their neighbors. I’m talking about the Iraqis, their neighbors in the Arab world and the Persian Gulf.
Remember that Saddam was very clear that he had a plan. And the plan was to become the emperor, if you will, of the Arab world, to make Baghdad the capital of the Arab world.
Now, of course, that would have been terrible for the Arab world, and it would have been terrible for us. And, I think, in the short run his neighbors in the Persian Gulf and the Arab world are probably more significantly safe today than they were before, almost equal to our increase in safety as a result of our victory.
Lieberman was wrong in his solution for how to deal with Iraq and he’s wrong today about the consequences of U.S. military action against Iran. Fortunately, Lieberman is standing increasingly alone — according to a recent poll, 72 percent of the American public “favor diplomacy to pressure with Iran.”
UPDATE: Carpetbagger has more.
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DOWN WITH ThE MuSLIMs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(and you all know what I really want to say)
;)
July 6th, 2007 at 5:18 pmSenator Lieberman (Likud - Tel Aviv), that’s not a mullah under your bed, it’s a dust bunny….
July 6th, 2007 at 5:19 pmJoe Lieberman continues his moral and intellectual self-destruction.
July 6th, 2007 at 5:20 pmI voted for Lieberman when he ran for Vice President.
July 6th, 2007 at 5:20 pmIf Iran’s got a better plan for stopping the violence in Iraq and Afghanistan, I say we give them a shot. Better than any other idea we’ve come up with so far…
July 6th, 2007 at 5:20 pmtoaster “towel” head,
You are an Islamophile TRAITOR to America!
Why do you want the muslims to win?
July 6th, 2007 at 5:23 pmWhy do you hate America?
Let’s do the simple stuff first like catch Zawahiri.
Baby steps! The American military hasn’t even mastered basic fighting concepts like troop strength! Damn!
July 6th, 2007 at 5:23 pmJoe! buddy! for once show that you are not Israel’s Senator.
July 6th, 2007 at 5:23 pmYou go first joe, you like WAR so much. Take your whole family with you for the ’cause’. Show us how much of a ‘great American’ you are,and let’s see all that follow you.
July 6th, 2007 at 5:24 pmJoe Lieberman continues his moral and intellectual self-destruction.
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I’m madder at Ned Lamont. I invested a lot of time and money into his election and he did a horrible job. Lamont really let me down.
July 6th, 2007 at 5:25 pmMr. President we aren’t at war with Muslims you dolt.
July 6th, 2007 at 5:25 pmI voted for Lieberman when he ran for Vice President.
Comment by dogtrottors — July 6, 2007 @ 5:20 pm
It is almost incredible to think that Lieberman was 532 votes** from being a Democratic VP!
**Yes I know….
July 6th, 2007 at 5:26 pmWhy do you want the muslims to win?
What, Mr. P, do you take ‘win’ to mean?
July 6th, 2007 at 5:27 pmCould this guy be the anti-Christ?
July 6th, 2007 at 5:27 pmHis statement seems to reveal that diplomacy would be best, but must be backed up by credible threat of force. The only problem; American diplomacy is not credible, and our force is stretched too thin.
July 6th, 2007 at 5:27 pmIt is almost incredible to think that Lieberman was 532 votes** from being a Democratic VP!
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I was one of the Democrats who voted for Gore/Lieberman in 2000. I bet a lot of other progressives and Democrats here did the same thing.
July 6th, 2007 at 5:29 pmJoe (I-Israel) looks like he missed his morning Alpo.
July 6th, 2007 at 5:29 pm“temper Iran’s “expansionist†desires to “dominate†its neighbors.”
A re-framing of LIEberman’s lunacy:
Impeachment will temper Bush’s “expansionist†desires to “dominate†the world.
July 6th, 2007 at 5:30 pmIt’s good to see the Jews know which side their unleavened bread is buttered on - heh. I hope Isreal takes out Iran so we don’t have to.
July 6th, 2007 at 5:30 pmtoaster “towel†head,
You are an Islamophile TRAITOR to America!
Why do you want the muslims to win?
Why do you hate America?
Comment by Mr. President — July 6, 2007 @ 5:23 pm
Awww, that’s very sweet of you. I think perhaps you missed the point.
I want the Muslims to win (and by win I mean overcome the small groups of Salafist extremists who are trying to corrupt an otherwise peaceful religion) because I love America.
July 6th, 2007 at 5:30 pmIt is almost incredible to think that Lieberman was 532 votes** from being a Democratic VP!
**Yes I know….
Comment by TerrytheTurtle — July 6, 2007 @ 5:26 pm
On the Democratic ticket.
Government is the enemy.
July 6th, 2007 at 5:31 pmComment by Yikes — July 6, 2007 @ 5:27 pm
No more Islamo-Fascism
July 6th, 2007 at 5:31 pmI hope Isreal takes out Iran so we don’t have to.
Comment by Jake — July 6, 2007 @ 5:30 pm
Agreed!
July 6th, 2007 at 5:32 pmI was one of the Democrats who voted for Gore/Lieberman in 2000. I bet a lot of other progressives and Democrats here did the same thing.
Comment by dogtrottors — July 6, 2007 @ 5:29 pm
That reflects poorly on Gore, IMO. Lieberman was a dreadful choice then, and worse now.
July 6th, 2007 at 5:32 pmThe muslims aren’t trying to stop the extremists. They look the other way.
July 6th, 2007 at 5:32 pmWe Democrats should surrender to terrorism. We can’t beat it. We never will. Why keep on fighting them?
July 6th, 2007 at 5:33 pm“Mr. President we aren’t at war with Muslims you dolt.
Comment by LandSurveyor — July 6, 2007 @ 5:25 pm”
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAAAAAAAAAAHHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
That’s the dumbest thing I have heard in a while!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
July 6th, 2007 at 5:33 pmI hope Isreal takes out Iran so we don’t have to.
Comment by Jake — July 6, 2007 @ 5:30 pm
Agreed!
Comment by Mr. President — July 6, 2007 @ 5:32 pm
‘Takes out’ - this, boys and girls is what happens to your sense of reality after you stay up all night watching Chuck Norris movies.
July 6th, 2007 at 5:34 pmOk, Mr. Lieberman. Step away from the Senator seat. You’re too stupid to represent our country.
July 6th, 2007 at 5:34 pmThat reflects poorly on Gore, IMO. Lieberman was a dreadful choice then, and worse now.
Comment by TerrytheTurtle — July 6, 2007 @ 5:32 pm
And he would’ve been taken out of the Senate and put into the Vice Presidency. You know, the 4th Branch…
July 6th, 2007 at 5:34 pmIf the good folk of Conn. don’t have the decency to recall this imbecile, perhaps we should nuke hartford.
July 6th, 2007 at 5:35 pmThat reflects poorly on Gore, IMO. Lieberman was a dreadful choice then, and worse now.
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All of us, or many anyway, Democrats voted for Lieberman for Vice President in 2000. I think it also reflects poorly on us that so many of us cast our votes in that way.
July 6th, 2007 at 5:35 pmThat reflects poorly on Gore, IMO. Lieberman was a dreadful choice then, and worse now.
Comment by TerrytheTurtle — July 6, 2007 @ 5:32
But he’s such a great leader and a prophet too. It must have been a good decision.
July 6th, 2007 at 5:36 pmLieberman is a Republican wing nut. He may well have Israel’s interests at heart, but he’s supposed to be an American first. What a blunder that he actually got to be V.P. material. Gore got a reality check on that mistake. That’s probably one reason he’s not running again.
July 6th, 2007 at 5:36 pmThe muslims aren’t trying to stop the extremists. They look the other way.
Comment by John — July 6, 2007 @ 5:32 pm
Prove this. I’d like to see some statistics on how many Muslims support the actions of al Qa’ida. Chop chop!
July 6th, 2007 at 5:37 pmRape-Public-Can trolls your talking points are becoming dissapointly trite and too easy to shred.
Not a peep of the Saudi and Egyptian backed Sunni who are responsible for more than 90% of coalition death. No you retards have your panties in a wad over the Shia militia backed by Iran that WE CREATED AND PLACED IN POWER.
You point again is what? That we are killed by all sides in a Civil War with no military achievable outcome? Yeah thats what we knew all ready.
July 6th, 2007 at 5:38 pmThis guy is so hot on this Iran thing, he’s got to be getting extreme pressure from the Israeli lobby. Israel is the prime Iranian target and they want use to fight their war for them with Joe leading the charge. I say no war for Israel!
July 6th, 2007 at 5:39 pmThe Democrats have NO plan on how to deal with Iran so shut your traps until you have something productive to say.
Thank you.
July 6th, 2007 at 5:39 pmScary thought - after President Al Gore had had two successful terms (especially after thwarting the 911 attacks, paying off the national debt, and ending US reliance on foreign oil) Liebermann would have been the heir apparent… Ack.
July 6th, 2007 at 5:40 pmTry 1 in 4
see http://www.nypost.com/ seven/ 05232007/ postopinion/ editorials/ a_hair_raising_poll_editorials_.htm
July 6th, 2007 at 5:41 pmHey Ringo, Sometimes it is better no plan than an incompetent, mismanaged one. What’s the GOP’s plan when the mullahs take over Pakistan with its 100+ nukes?
July 6th, 2007 at 5:41 pm#37 Barry, it never ceases to amaze me how tough Israel talks with $5,000,000,000.00 in annual US taxpayer dollars. Isn’t welfare supposed to diminish over time?
July 6th, 2007 at 5:42 pmScary thought - after President Al Gore…Liebermann would have been the heir apparent… Ack.
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We would have done that. We voted for him for Vice President and it would have been our fault.
July 6th, 2007 at 5:44 pmAccording to the Bible, the Anti-Christ will be somebody that everybody around the world loves and admires. That person will die and come back from the dead, proving to everybody once and for all that he is the second coming. To the Jews, it will be the first coming. The peope will all bow down and pledge their allegiance, only to find out that they have been duped by the Anti-Christ.
So, no this guy and George W Bush can be counted out in the running for Anti-Christ.
July 6th, 2007 at 5:44 pmCareful Ringo, your fascism is showing. Better tuck it in.
July 6th, 2007 at 5:45 pmThe Democrats have NO plan on how to deal with Iran so shut your traps until you have something productive to say.
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We should allow Iran to do what it wants. If they want a nuke, it is their right. They are a soverign country. America should even give money to Iran to help them build the nuke.
July 6th, 2007 at 5:46 pm5% support al Qaeda itself. 25% of its population in the US support suicide bombings according to the poll by the pew research center. So much for “religion of peace”.
July 6th, 2007 at 5:46 pmOk.
Iran is a dictatorship.
Israel is the only democracy in the middle east.
Iraq is a mess because Iran is supplying the insurgents.
Iran is developing nuclear weapons.
Iranian nuclear weapons would end up in the hands of Hezbollah and insurgents.
Dead US cities and the only democracy in the middle east destroyed.
Is that what you people want?
July 6th, 2007 at 5:48 pmContainment of Iran will be accomplished by cooperation with Russia and China, the main trading partners.
July 6th, 2007 at 5:50 pmNow, it’s gonna cost us to get this done, how much is the big question.
According to Scott Ritter, there’s no nuclear capability, nor are they in any position to acquire said capability.
This is a big damn nothing.
Careful Ringo, your fascism is showing. Better tuck it in.
Comment by Spudge_Boy
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“Shut your trap” = Fascism ?
Careful Spudge you stupidity is showing.
July 6th, 2007 at 5:50 pmJoe (I-Israel) looks like he missed his morning Alpo.
Comment by RUCerious
That’s funny, he looks a lot like a basset hound, again minus the cute factor.
July 6th, 2007 at 5:50 pmIsn’t LIEberman dead YET???
July 6th, 2007 at 5:51 pmshane ~!
July 6th, 2007 at 5:52 pmI was wondering if it was just me who expected him to start barking and howling any moment…
“The Democrats have NO plan on how to deal with Iran”.
Another Repuke LIE.
Google Democrat websites and see for yourself.
Stop falling for Repuike lies.
July 6th, 2007 at 5:52 pmContainment of Iran will be accomplished by cooperation with Russia and China, the main trading partners.
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We should allow Russia and China to do what is in our national interest.
I also think Iran should be allowed to do whatever it damn well pleases. It is its own country. If they want to support Hezbollah, I have no say in the matter. If they want to build a nuke, so what?
July 6th, 2007 at 5:52 pmProvide a link Tom.
July 6th, 2007 at 5:53 pmIt is not my fault that you don’t know what fascism is. It is your stupidit that is showing.
July 6th, 2007 at 5:53 pmNed Lamont was a miserable failure. He ran a horrible campaign, and I invested so much time into supporting him. He acted disgracefully. He got beat bad by Lieberman.
July 6th, 2007 at 5:57 pmSo much for “religion of peaceâ€.
Comment by Trol
And all you trolls claim to be christians but are thrilled we invaded Iraq and can’t wait to go after Iran. So much for Christianity bein a “religion of peace.”
July 6th, 2007 at 5:57 pmRead my Lips: No More Pre-emptive wars, Mr. President. And that goes for you too, Senator Lieberman
July 6th, 2007 at 5:57 pmSpudge,
I know what fascism is:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYoMFbYXSc4
http://www.cornermark.com/ hiddenfolder/ enemies/ hezbollah_hamas_nazi_salute.jpg
July 6th, 2007 at 5:57 pmAnd the Democrats helped Lieberman get elected and did everything to undermine Lamont.
July 6th, 2007 at 5:58 pmTroll is a typical inbred Repuke idiot.
Too stupid to Google.
July 6th, 2007 at 5:58 pmCareful Spudge you stupidity is showing.
Comment by Ringo — July 6, 2007 @ 5:50 pm
Dammit Ringo! I told you to get that washing in off the line! And what’s this charge on my Visa bill for 976-HOT-STUD??? I don’t work two jobs and take in washing just so you can sit in the basement in my underwear and play on that damn computer all day!
God damn I wish I’d blown your principal so you could stay in high school!
July 6th, 2007 at 5:58 pm“If Iran’s got a better plan for stopping the violence in Iraq and Afghanistan, I say we give them a shot.
Comment by toasterhead — July 6, 2007″
Only a stupid liberal would think that is possible!
July 6th, 2007 at 5:59 pmso dogshitter worked for Lamont, but his congressman is from Louisiana. Hmm, it smells like he stepped in it.
July 6th, 2007 at 5:59 pmIsn’t LIEberman dead YET???
Careful there…
July 6th, 2007 at 5:59 pmGive it up, Lieberlips! No one’s listening to your whining BS any longer.
July 6th, 2007 at 5:59 pmLieberman clearly has “sold his soul to the devil” and there’s no coming back for him.
July 6th, 2007 at 6:00 pmSpudge
July 6th, 2007 at 6:00 pmIt is you who doesn’t know. Had the conversation with UB earlier. Clearly fascism has its roots in socialism as does nazism both are national socialist reactions to Leninism.
He’s become irrelevant in the american landscape, sorry to say.
July 6th, 2007 at 6:00 pmHow do we deal with Iran?
July 6th, 2007 at 6:00 pmTreat them like we did North Korea.
And the Democrats helped Lieberman get elected and did everything to undermine Lamont.
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I agree. They helped in his senate run, and they almost made him Vice President.
July 6th, 2007 at 6:01 pmLoserman is insane.
And he’s a traitor if he’s taking directions from Israel.
If you’re Israel First, that means you’re America Second.
July 6th, 2007 at 6:01 pmIt is not my fault that you don’t know what fascism is. It is your stupidit that is showing.
Comment by Spudge_Boy
Ringo looked in the mirror and saw a stupid fascist and didn’t realize it was his own reflection. Dumb bastard.
July 6th, 2007 at 6:02 pm“Mr. President we aren’t at war with Muslims you dolt.
Comment by LandSurveyor — July 6, 2007″
We’re not? Every one of our enemies who have attacked us are muslims!
July 6th, 2007 at 6:02 pmAre you sure this is not a photo of “Father Time”…yikes! What the heck has happened to Liberman seemingly overnight?? Scary!
July 6th, 2007 at 6:02 pmWhat Tom cant back up your delusion with facts eh?
July 6th, 2007 at 6:02 pmWell, well…..looks like Michael has just outed himself as Mr. Preznut as well….heh-heh….you didn’t realize that you were answering your own post, did you?
July 6th, 2007 at 6:03 pm#75 Outed again! Beeeep….but thanks for playing, troll!
July 6th, 2007 at 6:04 pmHey now Tom3! What’s with the anti-semitism?!
July 6th, 2007 at 6:04 pmUhhh, Mikey, Tim McVeigh?
July 6th, 2007 at 6:04 pm#78 That was before Father Time aka Holy Joe had a religious conversion….and a frontal lobotomy…heh!
July 6th, 2007 at 6:04 pmNow his friends just call him “numbnuts Lieberman”.
July 6th, 2007 at 6:05 pm‘We’re not? Every one of our enemies who have attacked us are muslims!’
Found the anthrax killer, then, have you?
July 6th, 2007 at 6:05 pm#48 Ok.
Iran is a dictatorship.
Israel is the only democracy in the middle east.
Iraq is a mess because Iran is supplying the insurgents.
Iran is developing nuclear weapons.
Iranian nuclear weapons would end up in the hands of Hezbollah and insurgents.
Dead US cities and the only democracy in the middle east destroyed.
Is that what you people want?
Comment by Frank M
July 6th, 2007 at 6:06 pmIran is not a dictatorship.
Define Democracy
Iraq is a mess because of George Bush.
Iran has a right to develop weapons as does the United States.
It is more likely that former USSR states’ nuclear weapons will find their way into terrorists’ hands.
Lets not let Bush start a war based on his and Fox News administration’s lies.
God damn I wish I’d blown your principal so you could stay in high school!
Comment by Ringo’s Mom
Noble intentions but I don’t think it would have been enough to keep your knuckle dragging son in school. You did the right thing by letting him get kicked to the corner, his intellect was probably maxed out in the fourth grade.
July 6th, 2007 at 6:06 pm#78 That was before Father Time aka Holy Joe had a religious conversion….and a frontal lobotomy…heh!
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It would have been a horrible mistake if Lieberman were elected Vice President. But he almost was. And I blame my fellow Democrats.
July 6th, 2007 at 6:07 pmhttp://www.huffingtonpost.com/ 2007/ 07/ 06/ iraq-watch-list-gop-sena_n_55219.html
And it’s “Put Up or Shut up time” in Congress. It’s either “defect or defeat” the next time they’re up for election! It’s coming down to that…..the drum for their seats in Congress is sounding!
Defect or Defeat….Defect or Defeat….and americans are watching you!
July 6th, 2007 at 6:08 pmHoly Joe, the AIPAC ho.
He’s following the PNAC plan.
July 6th, 2007 at 6:08 pmOnly a stupid liberal would think that is possible!
Comment by michael
Oh I know you are but what am I? What are you 10 years old or something?
Could somebody send in a new batch of trolls, pronto?
July 6th, 2007 at 6:08 pmAh yes. Leftcoast - the perfect example of left wing delusions.
What do you call a country where the absolute power is wielded by mullahs? It’s a damn dictatorship. They may have fake elections, but so did the soviets.
“Define democracy”. Ah yes. What a cop-out.
Iraq is a mess because of Saddam and the continuing support of the insurgents by Iran.
Iran has no right to develop nuclear weapons. This is what I just don’t get. Why do you want to give our enemies access to nuclear weapons??!
July 6th, 2007 at 6:09 pmLeftcoast: Besides we’ve now begun a policy of “preemptive striking” - a precedent we will one day wish we hadn’t begun.
After all, we signed the nonproliferation treaty as well and we’re doing precisely what we’re condemning Iran for doing. Just sayin’…..
As well, which is the ONLY country in history to nuke a group of humanity…just sayin’…..
What’s good for the goose is certainly good for the gander.
July 6th, 2007 at 6:10 pmWe’re not? Every one of our enemies who have attacked us are muslims!
Comment by michael
Can you say OKLAHOMA CITY?
July 6th, 2007 at 6:10 pmHey Tom!
July 6th, 2007 at 6:11 pmHoly Joe, the AIPAC ho indeed! Just calling ‘em as I see ‘em.
Iran has no right to develop nuclear weapons. This is what I just don’t get. Why do you want to give our enemies access to nuclear weapons??!
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Iran will use nukes as fuel. Nothing more.
We should aid Iran getting nukes, because there are people suffering over there.
July 6th, 2007 at 6:11 pmSend in the trolls…
Send in the trolls…
Don’t bother…they’re Here!
July 6th, 2007 at 6:12 pmthink this guy is pro-israel?
July 6th, 2007 at 6:12 pmThe rest of the world recalls Hiroshima certainly….just sayin’
The rest of the world saw us illegally invade a sovereign nation without cause….just sayin’….
The rest of the world now realizes that this illegal invasion was amoral as well since it was based on lies and fiction…..just sayin’
You reap what you sow…..as the adage goes….just sayin’
People who live in glass houses should never throw stones….we’ve been throwin’ away…..just sayin’
July 6th, 2007 at 6:13 pmveritas: Yes. We nuked Japan in WWII, but it was the right thing to do. We would have nuked the Third Reich, too, had it been necessary. Are you going to argue that winning the war was the wrong thing to do? I have absolutely no guilt over that.
Giving nukes to Iran and the terrorist groups they support is a far cry from this. I don’t understand how you can even make the comparison.
July 6th, 2007 at 6:13 pmBut, of course, our illustrious leader simply beats his chest and says: “Bring ‘em on”…just sayin’
July 6th, 2007 at 6:14 pm#95: Yes. Sure. They say they are going to use it for energy and you believe it. What a fool you are. Always assume the worst and act according to that. The worst case scenario: they are developing nuclear weapons. Period.
July 6th, 2007 at 6:14 pmThe people of Iraq were perfectly happy with Saddam as their president. 99% of Iraqis voted for Saddam. We had no right taking their president away from them. Even JFK didn’t get 99% of the vote.
July 6th, 2007 at 6:14 pmWhen the citizens of a country can’t trust the word of their leaders, how can they expect the people of another country to do so???
Just sayin’
July 6th, 2007 at 6:14 pmIs it any wonder that the rest of the world is posturing against us?
July 6th, 2007 at 6:15 pmFrank,
Bush is no different than a Mullah. Jihad seems to have won here. Look at today’s court rulings on wiretapping.
Democracy is not in the Declaration of Independence. A country with checks and balances is.
How many Iraqi’s have died since the start of this war? Iran would not be there if not for us.
Is Iran your enemy? Have you asked them? Or did you ask Fox? Perhaps talk to an Iranian student might help. No one should have nuclear weapons. None have claim. All have claim.
July 6th, 2007 at 6:16 pmJust sayin’ Frank……whom can you trust?? Certainly not this present government. Is it any wonder why the rest of the world distrusts us? Hell, we can’t even trust our own officials with our safety!
July 6th, 2007 at 6:16 pm#95: Yes. Sure. They say they are going to use it for energy and you believe it.
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Iran does not support terrorism in anyway, shape or form. The nukes they build will be for their own energy.
Iran is a peaceful country, will beautiful people. They would never aid the insurgents in Iraq.
July 6th, 2007 at 6:16 pmSince there’s no way of discerning (short of a crystal ball which Frank, the Dweeb, certainly doesn’t own)….how anything is used (even our own stockpiles, folks…) what’s the argument then?
July 6th, 2007 at 6:16 pmClearly, there is no argument here. Iran is a sovereign nation and we have no business there….end of story.
July 6th, 2007 at 6:17 pmveritas: the rest of the world? What is this rest of the world? The way I see it, we have an excellent alliance with Israel, a very cordial relationship with the Europe, good business relationship with China and an alliance with Australia. Who cares about Africa?
July 6th, 2007 at 6:17 pm“I was one of the Democrats who voted for Gore/Lieberman in 2000. I bet a lot of other progressives and Democrats here did the same thing.”
LIEberman would have been fine as VP with Gore. Gore would have kept him in line. The only reason why LIEberman is so nuts now is because he has become marginalized and he knows it. He really has no power in the Democratic party and if he turns into a Republic he will have even less power since he will be the new kid on the block. He has an exaggerated sense of self and this is the only way he can get the attention he needs to survive. He is pretty pitiful and is becoming dangerous. I really wish that Connecticut could find some way to recall him or impeach him…do something to get him the hell out of there before he does something really stupid.
Hopefully the Democrats are not listening to him. I don’t think they are that stupid. Imagine what the Democrats ratings would look like if they supported bombing Iran. The liberals and progressives are already pissed at them for caving to Bush on the war funding, they would be beyond pissed if the Democrats were to follow LIEberman into this rat hole.
July 6th, 2007 at 6:17 pm“Can you say OKLAHOMA CITY?
Comment by shane — July 6, 2007″
I’m not talking about Oklahoma and you know it. You name one attack against the West in the last 5 years that wasn’t done by a muslim? We are at war with muslims, like it or not!
July 6th, 2007 at 6:17 pmveritas: So, you have no problem with the Iran being an undemocratic, dictatorial state where people are deprived of their very basic freedoms like freedom of speech and religion?
July 6th, 2007 at 6:18 pmTotal Annhialation! The Lieberman Way!
July 6th, 2007 at 6:18 pmthey are developing nuclear weapons. Period.
Uhmm, I think I’ll believe Scott Ritter, as opposed to your ass.
July 6th, 2007 at 6:19 pmJust read some of Jimmy Carter’s works, Frankie The Dweeb and you’ll see just how popular this country presently is. Everyone loathes us at this point, thanks to the criminals running this government.
July 6th, 2007 at 6:19 pmWhy doesn’t Lieberman or Hillary Clinton suit up and go fight a war in Iran. They are bloodthristy, or so they seem.
July 6th, 2007 at 6:19 pmIs this guy getting the boot at the end of his term or what?!!!!
Wow just goes to show that the masses are stupid, or at least in Conn.
This Mossad agent P NACi (Project for a New American Century supporters) who advocates and supports mass murder is a embarrassment to the Democrats, un-American in morals, and complicit in war crimes.
Lieberman should be in Isreal where his true allegiance and heart is.
Enough of this tip toeing with the Republicans. It’s time to engage them in battle for taking back America.
Join in NOW before too late. Impeach Bush and Cheney and Lieberman kissing Bush will never happen again. Lieberman’s Dick Cheney too. Impeach, tell everyone and contact your elected officials. It’s time.
July 6th, 2007 at 6:19 pmIran does not support terrorism in anyway, shape or form. The nukes they build will be for their own energy. Iran is a peaceful country, will beautiful people. They would never aid the insurgents in Iraq.
What are you? CIA? Iran’s connections to Al Quds and Hezbollah are well documented. You are blinded by your ideology, my friend. Iran is a hideous dictatorship that supports world wide terrorism.
July 6th, 2007 at 6:19 pm#114 Frankie, the Dweeb: How is that any different from our present form of government?? List the ways, please so we can shoot holes in your bullshit, please.
July 6th, 2007 at 6:20 pmHe’s not a dipshit like you, Frank!
July 6th, 2007 at 6:20 pmHow do you say “Patriot Act”, Frankie the Dweeb? Then tell me all about what a democracy we presently have. You’ll have about as much credibility as the man in the moon soon!
July 6th, 2007 at 6:21 pmHow do you say “illegal wiretapping” Frankie….do you call that constitutional by any chance?
July 6th, 2007 at 6:21 pmIran’s connections to Al Quds and Hezbollah are well documented.
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I refuse to believe it. My sister in law is Persian, and I would never expect her to support terrorism.
I just think Achmadinajad is misunderstood. He’s a president just trying to do right by his people. He seems like a very kind man.
July 6th, 2007 at 6:22 pmOooh… the evil wiretapping. Show me one, real way how that (alleged) wiretapping has restricted your rights.
Unless you’re a terrorist, it has done nothing to restrict your rights.
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July 6th, 2007 at 6:24 pmNotice how the Repuke trolls don’t just hate Al Quaeda.
They hate All Moslems.
All 1.5 billion of them.
The Repukes hate all 8 million Moslem US citizens.
They hate the Moslem Congressman.
They’re hateful bigots.
July 6th, 2007 at 6:24 pmFrank M- you can’t respond to my response to you as it seems you have a private conversation going with veritas. Or it is because you have no answer?
July 6th, 2007 at 6:24 pmBTW any president who cannot say they will end the words Patriot Act and Homeland is not worth voting for.
They both evoke the Father Land.
Total Annhialation! The Lieberman Way!
Comment by theswan — July 6, 2007 @ 6:18 pm
Yea just like the Nazis but now is the P NACis. After all we are a Christian Moral nation. Just like Germany was, in their mind anyway. Bush Lieberman and the rest of the neocons are the same as Nazis just different numbers.
Same shit different assholes. Excuse the vernacular.
July 6th, 2007 at 6:25 pm“Iran has no right to develop nuclear weapons. This is what I just don’t get. Why do you want to give our enemies access to nuclear weapons??!”
What makes Iran our enemies. Have they come out and declared war on our country? Remember that we have seen NO proof that they are in any way involved in Iraq. The only “proof” is that our government tells us they are. And we all know how reliable our government is when it comes to telling the truth.
I consider Pakistan to be my enemy? And why is that? Because they are harboring Osama bin Laden and they are allowing Al-Qaeda sanctuary to run their training camps there. If Al-Qaeda is to ever get any kind of nuclear technology to use against us, it will more likely come from Pakistan than from Iran, a country that is at least 10 years from having any useful nuclear technology. So, since I consider Pakistan to be my enemy, should I be calling on our government to bomb Pakistan? No, I won’t do that, because I believe in talking with our enemies so that we can learn to understand and respect each other. It is only through mutual understanding and respect that two countries can stop being enemies.
And why does Iran have no right to nuclear weapons? Because we say so? Then they (Iran) should have the right to say that we have no right to nuclear weapons. We, unlike Iran, have told them that they are our enemy and pretty much told them that one of these days they would be attacked by this fine country. So, if they fight back, are you going to say that by fighting back that proves that they are our enemy?
Why do we want to go out there in the world and make more enemies? I think it’s much more productive for us to go out there and make friends. We already have enough enemies, we don’t need to purposely make more.
July 6th, 2007 at 6:26 pmCome on, people, SOME of you must be interested in making a few extra bucks, working in a nice air-conditioned office??? What, do liberals and progressives have some sort of “integrity” or something?
We’re desperate here! Room for advancement –and I mean IN A HURRY. Seriously, do you think we’d be sending out Frank M, CT_V1, dogtrotters and Mr. President to represent us if we had some decent talent on the bench?
Call me.
July 6th, 2007 at 6:27 pmOooh… the evil wiretapping. Show me one, real way how that (alleged) wiretapping has restricted your rights.
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My congressman, William Jefferson, had his office ransacked because the FBI saw a black man and thought they could arrest him.
I bet others are being wiretapped in this country who did absolutly nothing illegal either.
July 6th, 2007 at 6:28 pmI don’t hate muslims. I am suspicious of all muslims, because muslims attacked us on 9/11. Back in 1940s it was a perfectly acceptable reaction to be suspicious of your ethnic enemies, but I guess we’ve become too wussified to accept what has to be done.
leftcoast:
Bush is no different than a Mullah.
Wrong. He was elected. Not only once but twice.
Democracy is not in the Declaration of Independence. A country with checks and balances is.
That may have been the case before 9/11.
How many Iraqi’s have died since the start of this war? Iran would not be there if not for us.
Who cares?
Is Iran your enemy? Have you asked them?
Fraternizing with the enemy is a bad, bad idea…
July 6th, 2007 at 6:28 pmRemember that Frank is a self-admitted fascist.
He has no problem taking away our rights.
Fascist as$hole.
July 6th, 2007 at 6:29 pm#131: Yes. And they found a lot of bribe money in his fridge.
July 6th, 2007 at 6:29 pmI’m sorry, dogtrottors, I misspelled your name again. Hell, you know I never pay attention to you guys. it’s nothing personal. Just be happy that your name is spelled right on your paycheck, okay?
Keep up the good work, though.
July 6th, 2007 at 6:30 pmHi Tom3. Did we meet on RawStory or something?
July 6th, 2007 at 6:31 pmFrank,Democracy is not in the Declaration of Independence. A country with checks and balances is.
That may have been the case before 9/11.
I will always support my country. I will support my government as it deserves my support.
July 6th, 2007 at 6:34 pm9/11 did not erase the Declaration. My god you may be a traitor.
#131: Yes. And they found a lot of bribe money in his fridge.
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Who cares where he keeps his own money. My grandmother used to keep her money under her bed.
July 6th, 2007 at 6:34 pmBBC
July 2007 news from Britain:
Three young men (Hassain Maji, Kolami Ashad, Elihom Hakmad) tried to blow up a double-decker bus today in London.
May 2007 news from Britain:
Five young men (Khalid Khaliq, Muhammad Naeem Noor Khan, Mohammad Sidique Khan, Hasib Hussain,Shaqi Hassamak were on trial for attempting to blow up with explosives the Piccadilly Line in London
London authorities where trying to determine the reason for these recent attacks. Some fear that gridlock and poor service by the public transportation system here is responsible for causing these horrendous attacks. Officials are looking into making the mass transit more user friendly to prevent future complaints.
July 6th, 2007 at 6:35 pmComment by Katie — July 6, 2007
You are not being understood. You can’t polish elephant due Katie. But God bless you for trying.
You see anything that makes good logic as opposed to evil logic does not compute with the neocons.
Spread the impeachment movement and you will see this country gel and bond and we will take back America.
http://pepib.convio.net/ site/ PageServer?pagename=homepage
July 6th, 2007 at 6:35 pmDemocracy is not in the Declaration of Independence. A country with checks and balances is.
That may have been the case before 9/11.
Frank M.
Leftcoast is right. Frank, it seems you are outmatched.
July 6th, 2007 at 6:36 pmFounding Fathers were traitors to the Crown, you know. Constitution is not a suicide pact and it just doesn’t work in today’s world.
You may think of me as a traitor today, but I’d rather have a country with a different Constitution than no country at all - the current pussyfooting policies are leading us to a defeat in the existential war against muslims, you know.
July 6th, 2007 at 6:37 pmAnd now dogshitters is answering its own posts? Re:131 / 138
July 6th, 2007 at 6:38 pmFrank,
July 6th, 2007 at 6:38 pmI don’t think your outmatched. Its just that I believe democracy flows from the people.
But, definitely 9/11 did not change the Declaration!
Frank M - Some day you may come home and find your wife gone. You look everywhere for her but you can’t find her. You know she wouldn’t leave you so you are really worried. The problem was that she was talking to her friend in Iran about coming there for a visit and Homeland security was wiretapping your phone. They got suspicious of your wife and so they kidnapped her and are holding her at an undisclosed location. They have declared her an “enemy combatant” and are holding her, with no rights to recourse, in a place where you will never find her.
Does that sound ok to you? I know you will say “that’s preposterous, that would never happen. And I will ask, how do you know? How do you know that it hasn’t already happened to people in this country. There are still hundreds of US citizens who are Muslims missing from our initial round-up of Muslims after 9-11. Ever wonder where they are and what happened to them, especially considering that we have not charged even one US citizen with any crimes connected to 9-11.
I would that something bad like that would happen to you just to teach you a lesson. But my scenario would involve an innocent victim so I can’t wish that. I know, I hope some day someone overhears something you say and reports you to Homeland Security. Then I wish that they will kidnap you and put you some place where you will never again see the light of day. Wow, I like that scenario.
July 6th, 2007 at 6:39 pmComment by Flaco —
BBC
July 2007 news from Britain:
Three young men (Hassain Maji, Kolami Ashad, Elihom Hakmad) tried to blow up a double-decker bus today in London.
May 2007 news from Britain:
Five young men (Khalid Khaliq, Muhammad Naeem Noor Khan, Mohammad Sidique Khan, Hasib Hussain,Shaqi Hassamak were on trial for attempting to blow up with explosives the Piccadilly Line in London
This should help you some;
http://www.informationliberation.com/?id=22824
Al-Qaeda, the eternal covert operation posted 07/06/2007, 5:50 AM (Larry Chin)
[Category: Commentary]
It is a well-established and deliberately unaddressed historical fact that the CIA created “radical Islam†and Islamic “terrorism†during the Cold War. It is also a documented fact that the US, its allies, and their intelligence agencies (CIA, Pakistan’s ISI, Britain’s MI-6, etc.) have — from the 1970s to the present day — continued to use and guide terrorist groups, including “Al-Qaeda,†as intelligence and propaganda assets. “Islamic terrorism†is a manufactured weapon of Western geostrategy, serving Anglo-American interests.
Planned covert operations and false flag operations using “terrorists†in direct and indirect military-intelligence roles are of imperial design. Such operations (exemplified by 9/11), and their predictable propaganda results (“the war on terrorismâ€) are now routine events.
Official “war on terrorism†disinformation is repeated ad nauseum, accepted as fact by the mass populace, and used as the justification for ever-expanding Anglo-American war and ever-deepening criminality. Virtually no attention is paid to the Anglo-American support and management of “Al-Qaeda†and other “terror†groups. Little or no attention is devoted to the criminally fabricated nature of modern “terrorism†or the fact that every major “terrorism†event in recent times has been a US or US-allied covert operation, followed by political manipulation and cover-up.
July 6th, 2007 at 6:39 pmFrank, you need a change of underwear, you’ve pissed your pants in fear again.
July 6th, 2007 at 6:40 pmHow many guns do you have in your home?
Are they loaded?
Are the safeties off?
Official “war on terrorism†disinformation is repeated ad nauseum, accepted as fact by the mass populace, and used as the justification for ever-expanding Anglo-American war and ever-deepening criminality.
What a delusional load of bollocks.
July 6th, 2007 at 6:40 pm“the current pussyfooting policies are leading us to a defeat in the existential war against muslims, you know.”
The “existential war against Muslims”. Wow Frank, you have gone off the deep end. Get some help. A good therapist can do wonders with someone as crazy as you are.
July 6th, 2007 at 6:40 pmKatie: we don’t have muslim acquaintances so that’s a moot point.
July 6th, 2007 at 6:41 pmIf the neighborhood kids kick a muslim ball onto frank’s lawn, they’d better watch out.
July 6th, 2007 at 6:41 pmI’d rather have a country with a different Constitution than no country at all - the current pussyfooting policies are leading us to a defeat in the existential war against muslims, you know. Frank M.
July 6th, 2007 at 6:42 pmExistential War? Frank, war is not existential.
You want a different Constitution, then I propose that your write one.
Muslims, Christian, Agnositic, Atheist- it makes no difference if you have no choice in life, and no checks and balances to those you elect.
Democracy is not in the Declaration of Independence. A country with checks and balances is.
That may have been the case before 9/11.
Frank has a pre-1215 mindset.
July 6th, 2007 at 6:42 pm#142 Founding Fathers were traitors to the Crown, you know. Constitution is not a suicide pact and it just doesn’t work in today’s world.
You may think of me as a traitor today, but I’d rather have a country with a different Constitution than no country at all - the current pussyfooting policies are leading us to a defeat in the existential war against muslims, you know.
Comment by Frank M
NOW we are getting to the bottom of Frank’s deepset paranoia: HE hates America and what we were founded on.
Gotta hand it to him, he has bought into Darth and the NeoCon program, 100%. This is so like Germany in the early 30’s when Hitler took away all their rights and told them it was for their own good.
Frank, how did that work out for them, the rest of the world and about 11,000,000 innocent people who had different beliefs than he did??
July 6th, 2007 at 6:42 pmTT ~
July 6th, 2007 at 6:42 pmThat’s hilarious! But True…
Isn’t it enough that we have one wrong war one our hands that is costing the American people $2 billion dollars each week? I absolutely disagree with Sen. Lieberman to engage in a war with Iran. The American government needs to stop all its immediate damage to this global community. The war in Iraq is costing more poverty and violence, which is a perfect breeding ground for more terrorism. According to the Borgen Project, it only costs $19 billion dollars annually to end world poverty. The $340 billion dollars we have spent on the war in Iraq would have ended 17 years of world hunger and malnutrient. This country and its people definitely needs a new leader and admin that is willing to address the issue of world poverty and is willing to put the needs of the people before political gain.
July 6th, 2007 at 6:43 pmI wonder what Ben Franklin would say to Frankie’s anti-democratic rantings?
July 6th, 2007 at 6:43 pm#145 Katie- THANK YOU!
July 6th, 2007 at 6:44 pmBill Clinton, Feb 2005
[We] don’t want [Iran] to have [nukes] because even if they never used it, it would affect the politics in the Middle East, number one. And number two, the more people that have these weapons, the more nuclear material you have around, the more vulnerable it is to pilfering. It is a serious problem.
What? Clinton was concerned about Iran for the same reasons as Joe?
July 6th, 2007 at 6:44 pmI wonder what Ben Franklin would say to Frankie’s anti-democratic rantings?
Comment by RUCerious — July 6, 2007 @ 6:43 pm
OOh ooh, I know, pick me!
July 6th, 2007 at 6:45 pmOK, TT, you’re up!
July 6th, 2007 at 6:46 pm#156 Comment by Mstessyrue-
Well said!
July 6th, 2007 at 6:46 pmAs I said, Founding Fathers didn’t live in a world of suitcase nukes, suicide bombers and extremely lethal and easily obtained biological/chemical weapons.
July 6th, 2007 at 6:47 pm“Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both.†- Benjamin Franklin
July 6th, 2007 at 6:47 pmBlah…blah….the CIA created “radical Islam†and Islamic “terrorism†during the Cold War….blah…blah…the fact that every major “terrorism†event in recent times has been a US or US-allied covert operation, followed by political manipulation and cover-up.
Comment by Hadenoughbushit — July 6, 2007 @ 6:39 pm
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Dude, your brain is cooked.
July 6th, 2007 at 6:47 pmmarin hippie- there we go again. “Clinton did it…so why can’t we?”
July 6th, 2007 at 6:48 pmace your buddy Hadenoughbushit is here.
The JooooooooOOOOOOOOOooooooooooOOOOOOOOOOOooooooos software is taking over…
July 6th, 2007 at 6:49 pmAs I said, Founding Fathers didn’t live in a world of suitcase nukes, suicide bombers and extremely lethal and easily obtained biological/chemical weapons.
Comment by Frank M
July 6th, 2007 at 6:51 pmFrank-those things were not necessary to have the British track the Founding Fathers down and kill them and their families for signing the Declaration.
Oh for the love of God! How much more of this crap from Frank M can you people take before you get off your butts and take his job?
There must be some aspiring writers out there who want to earn a few bucks while getting experience “writing in character” right? Half of our operatives don’t believe what they post anyway. It’s not a prerequisite by any means.
All you have to do is — you see this crap that is being passed off a right-wing thought on these threads? Just be more clever than that. Not a tall order is it?
Please give me a call. I’m offering signing bonuses for a limited time. Plus most of our work is contracted overseas, so you’ll be restoring American jobs.
July 6th, 2007 at 6:52 pm#163: I just reported you and your post to the Homeland Security. You’re clearly bragging about your ability to acquire lethal biological and chemical weapons and are a threat to this country. Expect a visit and a VERY thorough probing by the professional interrogators at your local branch HS - maybe even a visit to Gitmo or some African torture cell no-one knows about.
Ok. So I didn’t send in any reports, but how did that make you feel?
July 6th, 2007 at 6:52 pmClinton got a BJ in a closet off the Oval Office. Try and follow up on that, repukes!
July 6th, 2007 at 6:52 pmHey Flake-o,
Why don’t you take your anti-semitic bullsh!t and join the rest of your racist trolls (who hate, muslims, women, intelligent people) at the KKK meeting at Newsmax or at Darth Cheney’s non-executive mansion?.
July 6th, 2007 at 6:53 pmAnd the founding father said
July 6th, 2007 at 6:54 pmthe pilgrims didn’t live in a world of muskets, tomahawks, and extremely lethal and easily obtainable bows and arrows.
Joe Lieberman is one sad, tired looking old man.
July 6th, 2007 at 6:55 pm#169: Well, he’s managed to hijack this thread. Crude, but effective.
July 6th, 2007 at 6:56 pmRUCerious, ya think frankie and flake-o and some of the other 3rd stringers here today have ANY idea how ridiculous they are sounding?
I have heard my neighbor’s german shepherd make more sense with one early morning fart than they have in 4 hours!
July 6th, 2007 at 6:58 pmupside00 ~ at some point, you’d think the straw would run out…
July 6th, 2007 at 6:59 pmComment by Ringo — July 6, 2007 @ 6:47 pm
Catch up on your history duuuude.
Put down that blount and read up on how Bin Laden was a CIA operative during the war against the soviets in Afghan bro. We armed and trained him man. Get with it. Stop drinking the Kool Aid and think for yourself.
Power to the people or We the people or You can’t keep the people down.
Peace love dove Ringo
July 6th, 2007 at 7:00 pmMegaphone software is the work of cheaters and manipulators.
July 6th, 2007 at 7:00 pmJews suck
Joe is a jew
Isreal is fascist
Calling all megaphone users…
July 6th, 2007 at 7:01 pmRUC,
And they had to get printed block-lettered directions from PudgeBoy Rover to construct those strawmen too………………………..And they don’t even know what they mean!
July 6th, 2007 at 7:01 pmupside ~
Insert tab X into slot D, then twist clockwise, then glue forehead to tab Y…
July 6th, 2007 at 7:02 pmYou’ve sold out, bros.
July 6th, 2007 at 7:05 pm#177 Catch up on your history duuuude.
Put down that blount and read up on how Bin Laden was a CIA operative during the war against the soviets in Afghan bro. We armed and trained him man. Comment by Hadenoughbushit
And we did the same thing when we armed Ho Chi Minh in Vietanm during WWII. And then we all know how that worked out.
Sometimes when people don’t bother to read history they will repeat it.
July 6th, 2007 at 7:05 pmIsrael not Isreal
July 6th, 2007 at 7:05 pmIgnore the last post.
July 6th, 2007 at 7:07 pmCool someone is using my name.
July 6th, 2007 at 7:13 pmTime to have a drink Flaco.
July 6th, 2007 at 7:14 pmBBC
July 2007 news from Britain:
Three young men (Hassain Maji, Kolami Ashad, Elihom Hakmad) tried to blow up a double-decker bus today in London.
&