Lindsey Graham: Escalation ‘Is Working Beyond My Expectations’
Lindsey Graham: Escalation ‘Is Working Beyond My Expectations’
Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC), returning from a visit this week to Iraq along with his pro-escalation partner Sen. John McCain (R-AZ), offered the following assessment of the situation in Iraq:
“The military part of the surge is working beyond my expectations,” Graham said. “We literally have the enemy on the run. The Sunni part of Iraq has really rejected al-Qaida all over the country. We’re getting more information about al-Qaida operations than we’ve ever received.”
Graham isn’t the only proponent of the military surge who is now desperately spinning reality in order to maintain the U.S. occupation of Iraq. Sen. Joseph Lieberman (I-CT) also contended recently that the escalation has the enemy “on the run.”
Even while parts of Baghdad are calmer today than a few months ago, “the death toll among civilians does not appear to have immediately fallen since the [surge] began. From June 20 to Thursday, 472 civilians died in attacks in Baghdad, a dip of 2 percent from the previous 16-day period, according to a tally collected by the Associated Press from daily reports by Iraqi security and hospital officials.”
As the events in Iraq have demonstrated time and again over the past four years, temporary lulls are always followed by greater spikes in violence. Today, for instance, Reuters reports from Baghdad:
Car bombs and mortar attacks killed 50 people in Iraq, police and local officials said on Saturday, while the U.S. military said six of its soldiers had been killed in the past two days. … The fresh violence follows a lull in Iraq, where tens of thousands of U.S. and Iraqi troops are on the offensive against insurgents in a bid to halt a slide into sectarian civil war.
In his last trip to Iraq, Graham offered this sign of success in Iraq. “We went to the market and were just really warmly welcomed. I bought five rugs for five bucks. And people were engaging,” he said. His comedic analysis was wrong then, and it’s wrong now.
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Mine, too! Bush will be in single digits by September!
July 7th, 2007 at 10:32 amOf course the enemy is on the run, they always fade into the woodwork when confronted by a larger force. Problem is it is like playing a country wide game of whack-a-mole. You push the insurgents and terrorist out of one spot, and they go somewhere else.
July 7th, 2007 at 10:33 amMaybe Graham had set low expectations?
July 7th, 2007 at 10:34 amWell, at least he's been there. That can't be said of the people who post here.
July 7th, 2007 at 10:34 amTP: Invested in defeat.
Read the milblogs for the real deal people.
July 7th, 2007 at 10:35 amWell, at least he’s been there. That can’t be said of the people who post here.
Comment by Frank M —
Including yourself, I assume.
July 7th, 2007 at 10:36 am“on the run.â€
The only things on the run are the mouths of those three stooges.
July 7th, 2007 at 10:36 amWell, at least he’s been there.
Accompanied by how much military protection? Did he have the courage to venture outisde the Green Zone? Did he travel around the country?
No wonder rightwingers can't win wars. They don't have what it takes: regular contact with reality.
July 7th, 2007 at 10:39 amIf we just spend another trillion, golly...I'm sure things will be less worse!
July 7th, 2007 at 10:39 amAQ is wearing out their welcome in more and more of Iraq. Anbar isn't safe for them anymore for example.
July 7th, 2007 at 10:39 amEver get the feeling that some "Americans" will support anything that promises to break America's back once and for all? "Yes, go ahead. You CAN stop that train by butting it with your head."
We have less to fear from Bin Laden and his gang of murderers.
July 7th, 2007 at 10:40 am#6: Correct, Lora. I've never pretended to be an expert on military matters. I listen to experts like the Joint Chiefs of Staff, DoD and politicians who actually visit the warzone.
July 7th, 2007 at 10:41 amWell, at least he’s been there. That can’t be said of the people who post here.
Comment by Frank M
Such as yourself chickenhawk scumbag. And you can rest assured that there was an overwhelming security detail following him so closely that someone else had to wash his hands after lindsey pissed.
July 7th, 2007 at 10:42 am"We literally have the enemy on the run."
-Lindsey Graham
2001 terrorist attacks worldwide: 124
2006 terrorist attacks worldwide: almost 14,000
Uh-huh, sure Lindsey...
July 7th, 2007 at 10:43 amAQ is wearing out their welcome in more and more of Iraq...
More wishful thinking from the willfully ignorant. The facts:
"No Drop in Iraq Violence Seen Since Troop Build-Up"
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/06/13/AR2007061302357.html?hpid=topnews
July 7th, 2007 at 10:43 amWell, at least he’s been there. That can’t be said of the people who post here.
Comment by Frank M
Many of the posters here are Iraq veterans. But why would you care about getting your facts straight. The facts have a liberal bias.
July 7th, 2007 at 10:43 amIf we just spend another trillion, golly…I’m sure things will be less worse!
Comment by War4Sale
If you spend a trillion dollars here and a trillion dollars there, pretty soon you're talking about real money. (to paraphrase somebody)
July 7th, 2007 at 10:45 amScott Ritter had been there before the war. In fact, he was the chief weapons inspector and he said the WMD claims were bullshit.
I listened to him.
July 7th, 2007 at 10:45 amAl Quaeda is only 8% of the attacks in Iraq. Get rid if them and there's still a huge problem.
Lindsey Graham is a typical inbred redneck racist cracker Repuke idiot.
July 7th, 2007 at 10:46 amHe's a Senator, reality is irrelevant.
Nick Kasoff
July 7th, 2007 at 10:46 amThe Thug Report
im convinced! LIARS!
July 7th, 2007 at 10:47 amYep. On the run.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070707/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq
July 7th, 2007 at 10:47 amComment by TooSexyForMyShirt
Frank M, if you change names after every stupid post you're going to run out of names.
July 7th, 2007 at 10:48 amshane: I can claim to be a 17 year old bisexual coed, but it doesn't make me one.
July 7th, 2007 at 10:48 amto #12: why do you keep changing your nick?
This just confirms the common suspicion that most rightwing screechers here are the same few nutjobs, posting repeatedly under multiple nicknames.
I mean, why bother? Does it make you feel better? Do you actually think it changes the fact that you represent a tiny minority of Americans?
More evidence that rightwingers just can't get a grip on reality.
July 7th, 2007 at 10:48 am"...The surge is working beyond my expectations." Senator, it is working how, by brutalizing and terrorizing the Iraqi people? 160,000 troops vs. 25 million Iraqis. Does Tennyson's "into the valley of death" sound familar? But instead of "into the valley of death rode the 600" it has now become into the valley of death rode the 160,000. A surge will never work because an occupied country will always fight in order to be free of their oppressor [ see the Vietnam War, the French in Algeria, the Soviet Union in Afghanistan, the French in Indochina, the British in Iraq, the British in America during the 18th century, etc.]. Support the troops-bring them home safely-now.
July 7th, 2007 at 10:48 am"I listen to experts like the Joint Chiefs of Staff, DoD and politicians who actually visit the warzone."
Too bad Chimpy doesn't.
July 7th, 2007 at 10:48 amThat photo says it all. What idiots! A triumvirate of delusion.
July 7th, 2007 at 10:49 amSomeone please point out to Lindsay Graham that the people who appear to be "on the run" are Iraqis being driven from their homes and headed for Jordan and Syria. The insurgents aren't running. We have our own tragic body count to prove it. Sen. Graham, our military lost 100 people during the month of June. What exactly was YOUR expectation of the surge that seems to have succeeded beyond YOUR expectatirions.
July 7th, 2007 at 10:50 amTooSexyForMyShirt you will then believe Michael Ware:
He is one of the only mainstream reporters to have lived in Baghdad near-continuously since before the American invasion and he gained early acclaim as one of the few reporters to establish contacts with the Kurdish Peshmerga and the Iraqi insurgency. Ware was one of the first mainstream journalists to report on the severity of the growing opposition Western coalition forces faced in mid-2003, and his contacts have provided him with controversial videotapes of attacks on coalition forces, including the murder of four Blackwater contractors. [1]
Ware is also known for his stark assessments of conditions on the ground and his repudiation of the overly-optimistic assessments sometimes made by politicians. Ware has also been 'embedded' with American and British military forces on numerous occasions, and the collation forces have been the focus of many of his reports as he continues to describe conditions on the ground for both military and civilians in Iraq.
July 7th, 2007 at 10:50 amStill running . . .
http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/L07265514.htm
July 7th, 2007 at 10:50 amWell, at least he’s been there. That can’t be said of the people who post here.
Comment by Frank M — July 7, 2007 @ 10:34 am
YOU post here... So that means you just told yourself to STFU. Yes, please listen to yourself this time.
July 7th, 2007 at 10:50 amAQ is not the problem, it is the insurgents who are. The Shia and the Sunni want AQ out so they get back to the serious business of killing each other and the occupying forces. The insurgents outnumber AQ by 19 to 1.
July 7th, 2007 at 10:50 amComment by shane — July 7, 2007 @ 10:48 am
Hi, shane. If you haven't already checked them out (and I know that someone has) Jane put some more pictures up on our blog. Unfortunately, there was only one good one of one of the kittens (webcam on laptop didn't come out well). But she does have some of our others up there.
My advice: Ignore the acerebralist trolls.
July 7th, 2007 at 10:51 amLindsey Graham, an embarassment to white men every where. But the Troll Patrol (thanks lurking lady) is defending him.
And whil AQ is wearing out its welcome, I'm pretty sure the United States wore out its welcome some time ago. Of course it's too dangerous for a reporter to ask the citizens how they feel so we'll just have to take Bushco's word for it all.
July 7th, 2007 at 10:52 amRead the milblogs for the real deal people.
Comment by Toliver — July 7, 2007 @ 10:35 am
You mean the propaganda blogs? No thanks. Real soldiers post here from time to time and fill us in. Also, many people here have family members in Iraq, so we know the truth - not they lie you war-mongers wish us to believe.
July 7th, 2007 at 10:53 amMaybe it's just me, but Joe Lieberman looks like he's just standing in the background making farty noises with his mouth.
It would be nice if the three particular people in the picture spent a little more time in our reality. Makes me wonder about the people who voted them into office.
July 7th, 2007 at 10:53 amI hope that treason is still a crime punishable by death. We need to be sure
July 7th, 2007 at 10:54 am"al-Qaida is on the run"
Even if this is true, which I doubt, so what. Even our military estimates that al-Qaida is only about 2-5% of the fighters in Iraq. So what if they are on the run. If they left Iraq entirely, Iraq would still be in the middle of a civil war and Iraqi insurgents would still be killing Americans.
Why don't these people get it. The Iraqi's don't want us in their country and they certainly don't want us to steal their oil. They are doing what we would be doing if some foreign country had invaded the USA and was now occupying our country trying to steal our natural resources.
In the end, it really doesn't matter what these fools have to say. We believe what we see and what we see is chaos that hasn't changed much.
July 7th, 2007 at 10:54 amComment by TooSexyForMyShirt
Frank M, if you change names after every stupid post you’re going to run out of names.
Comment by shane — July 7, 2007 @ 10:48 am
shane: I can claim to be a 17 year old bisexual coed, but it doesn’t make me one.
Comment by Frank M
Uh, WHAT? You answered a post to you with that name, pay attention.
July 7th, 2007 at 10:54 amThe U.S. military surge, Lieberman contended, has the enemy “on the run.â€
Graham said. “We literally have the enemy on the run.
Graham and Lieberman must shop at the "Used Talking Points" store.
(sorry..can't link things on this strange computer....on vacation)
July 7th, 2007 at 10:55 amhttp://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/2007/06/by_david_lightman_of_the.html
Two words for you..."Last throes."
July 7th, 2007 at 10:55 amSure we have the enemy on the run. Two problems with this view:
1. Al Quaeda makes up a small part of the groups fighting in Iraq and attacking our troops. We still have the larger problem of unifying the disparate ethnic/religious groups in the country. The Iraqi legislature is on the verge of collapse, Iraqi police and military forces are ill trained/equipped as well as riddled with sectarian militia members. There seems to be no indication that the sectarian groups are going to put together a viable government. Thus, we can defeat AQ and still have an unstable country that continues in a civil war with a good chance of becoming a client state for Iran.
2. The US blew its chance to truly pacify Iraq in the immediate aftermath of Saddam's fall. Instead of restoring law and order, the US had insufficient US troops and failed to use Iraqi military troops to restore order. Unemployed military troops and civil servants joined the insurgency. US military power was not feared because it failed to intervene. Insurgent attacks on US troops grew. Now we can add additional troops for the surge to pacify small areas. The violence merely shifts. It would take a massive military effort to attempt to subdue the entire country at this point,
July 7th, 2007 at 10:56 amshane: that was a reply to your post #16.
July 7th, 2007 at 10:56 amInstead of "Huckleberry" we should dub him "Whack-a-Mole", since that is what he wittnessed.
July 7th, 2007 at 10:57 amAQ is wearing out their welcome in more and more of Iraq. Anbar isn’t safe for them anymore for example.
Comment by Toliver — July 7, 2007 @ 10:39 am
You mean the US is wearing out their welcome?
New Poll: 71 Percent Of Iraqis Want U.S. Forces To Withdraw Within A Year
http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/27/iraqis-poll/
July 7th, 2007 at 10:59 am"AQ is wearing out their welcome in more and more of Iraq. Anbar isn’t safe for them anymore for example."
AQ was never welcome in Iraq, they were merely tolerated. As long as AQ killed Americans the Iraqi's didn't care if they were in their country (a place they were not before we invaded Iraq). The day we leave Iraq you can be sure that the Iraqi's will kick anyone suspected of being AQ. The problem is that many of the people our government is defining as AQ are not really AQ. It's Bush's latest talking point to call everyone who is fighting us in Iraq AQ and I'm sure the other lemming Republics will do the same.
July 7th, 2007 at 11:00 amThat photo says it all. What idiots! A triumvirate of delusion.
Comment by W.Clements
And a "Confederacy of Dunces".
July 7th, 2007 at 11:01 amThis coming from a sob who helped take away habeus corpus.
July 7th, 2007 at 11:02 amNew Poll: 71 Percent Of Iraqis Want U.S. Forces To Withdraw Within A Year
Comment by unbelievable — July 7, 2007 @ 10:59 am
I'd love to hear the war supporters explain why the Iraqi people want us to set up a timeline for withdrawal (like Nixon did from Vietnam), if timelines are the worst thing you could do. Their inconsistency makes their defense of this war laughable.
July 7th, 2007 at 11:02 am"Correct, Lora. I’ve never pretended to be an expert on military matters. I listen to experts like the Joint Chiefs of Staff, DoD and politicians who actually visit the warzone.
Comment by TooSexyForMyShirt"
You listen to all the hand picked Bush flunkys. Anyone who disagreed with Bush's view of Iraq has been fired or 'retired'. How about you listen to the Generals who were in Iraq who no longer are in the military and can speak freely. Then balance those view with those of Bush's flunkies and maybe you might get a clear picture.
Lemming Republics will believe any bullshit the Bush Crime Family feeds to them. Fortunately the American public has awakened from their deep sleep and no longer believe what they hear from Bush & Company.
July 7th, 2007 at 11:03 amThe Bushie "Solution" in a nutshell.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2iVaHFTS128
July 7th, 2007 at 11:03 amSouth Carolina should be ashamed of itself.
You voted for a male with the name "Lindsey" ?
And he spews this type of blatant bullshit ?
And Southerners wonder why they aren't thought of as being synonymous with intelligence ...............
July 7th, 2007 at 11:04 amFrank M. a.k.a. toosexyformyshirt, a simple question: why do you post under multiple nicks? Does it boost your wounded ego? Do you think it makes you look smarter? Do you think it fools people into thinking our Iraq strategy is a success?
In ANY of those cases, you are transparently delusional sap.
July 7th, 2007 at 11:04 amMy advice: Ignore the acerebralist trolls.
Comment by Wayne A. Schneider
All the cats are just beautiful. Ignoring them seems the only answer, I will try harder.
July 7th, 2007 at 11:07 amHey, it's fun and good for the show.
July 7th, 2007 at 11:08 amComment by Katie — July 7, 2007 @ 11:03 am
Good point, Katie. They're willing to listen to politicians who go around wearing flak jackets and accompanied by heavily armed soldiers (with air support, no less), DoD personnel whose jobs depend on them supporting this president (right or wrong, even though he's mostly wrong), and JCS appointees chosen not for their military competence but for their willingness to support whatever Chimpy McFlightsuit (I love that one) tells them to support, no matter how silly.
It's sad when people want to get their advice from people who love their president more than they love their country.
July 7th, 2007 at 11:08 amTheir inconsistency makes their defense of this war laughable.
Comment by Wayne A. Schneider — July 7, 2007 @ 11:02 am
I was trying to figure out the other day in what area they aren't inconsistent hypocrites?
I couldn't come up with anything.
Pro-Life claim, but anti-all-life-except-unborn-fetuses-and-their-own-spawn reality
"Good Christian" claim, but CINO reality
Family-oriented claim, but anti-all-families-except-their-own reality
July 7th, 2007 at 11:08 am"at least i've been there" to the grand canyon and it's filling up nicely, won't be long now till the condo's arrive.
July 7th, 2007 at 11:09 amshane: that was a reply to your post #16.
Comment by Frank M
If you were trying to be funny, well it wasn't.
July 7th, 2007 at 11:12 amLiberals are definitely invested in defeat!
July 7th, 2007 at 11:13 amFrank M.: Hey, it’s fun...
Frank M enjoys getting humiliated here daily? Happy to oblige, doughbrain!
You still haven't told us why you use multiple nicks here, ya delusional wackjob.
July 7th, 2007 at 11:14 amComment by unbelievable — July 7, 2007 @ 11:08 am
They are adhering to the neo-conservative philosophy with a vengeance, and that philosophy dictates that the truth is irrelevant to any discussion. They also have a "win at all cost"-mentality, so stooping to lies and misinformation to win over support for their agenda is, in their eyes, perfectly acceptable strategy. In fact, they would happily blame the ignorant people who listen to them for being stupid, so long as the stupid people support them. It's amazing.
But question their IQs and they get really defensive. It is truly laughable. They denounce intellectual arguments because they can't win them using the truth, and then they spew lies and misinformation to the public and try to claim that public support for their position "proves" they're right.
July 7th, 2007 at 11:14 amAC: I just told you. It's fun and good for the show.
July 7th, 2007 at 11:15 amHey, it’s fun and good for the show.
Comment by Frank M
Being intelligent is "good for the show". Maybe you can be a better actor than comedian.
July 7th, 2007 at 11:16 amLiberals are definitely invested in defeat!
Comment by veritas — July 7, 2007 @ 11:13 am
LOL. The way this war is being managed, it looks like that's where the money is! :D
July 7th, 2007 at 11:16 amWayne: An excellent summary.
July 7th, 2007 at 11:16 amComment by Wayne A. Schneider — July 7, 2007 @ 11:14 am
I was flipping channels and saw a Democratic strategist on Lou Dobbs. I didn't catch the guy's name, but he was slamming the Republican counter-part they had on the show. He called him out on all his tired old talking points, offering the truth in return, and it was EXACTLY what we've been calling for from the Democrats.
If they keep this approach up, Obama could very well be the first black President of the United States...
July 7th, 2007 at 11:22 amIt’s fun and good for the show.
Don't you ever get tired of making an ass of yourself? Post after post demonstrates that you are ill-informed, can't form a sound argument, and have no understanding of democracy, and are poorly socialized. As trolls go, you no challenge, just a tedious whiner. You're not really "good for the show." You are much too boring.
July 7th, 2007 at 11:22 amLindsay, you dumbass. The reason the enemy is on the run is they are in a hurry to get down the road to set up the next IED to take out a few more of our troops.
July 7th, 2007 at 11:30 amdid they pay for the trip out of their own pockets? if not, there needs to be some reimbursement going on.....
July 7th, 2007 at 11:31 amLOWERED EXPECTATIONS.......
July 7th, 2007 at 11:32 amAC: You've clearly no idea what the art of trolling involves...
Post after post demonstrates that you are ill-informed, can’t form a sound argument, and have no understanding of democracy, and are poorly socialized. As trolls go, you no challenge, just a tedious whiner. You’re not really “good for the show.â€
And thank you for that evaluation of Frank M. You just told me that this character has been a total success. A somewhat abrasive male character in his thirties, below average IQ, who irrationally fears muslims and can't really engage in a debate without sticking to talking points. Not really a gutter troll, like MAF54 was, but not in the same class as the more highbrow characters I'm currently running. A boring character, yes, but they can't all be witty and smart.
But I guess it's time to retire the good old Frank M.
July 7th, 2007 at 11:39 am"AQ is wearing out their welcome in more and more of Iraq. Anbar isn’t safe for them anymore for example."
Al Qaida make up only a tiny percentage of the insurgents in Iraq, as acknowledged repeatedly by the military commanders on the ground.
July 7th, 2007 at 11:39 amNice to see Republicans continue to self-destruct.
So long, Republican party.
July 7th, 2007 at 11:41 amOk I was just going to read and keep my mouth shut but this comment by Unbelievable sucked me in.
Are you calling blogs like mudville gazette, blackfive, michael yon, one bored soldier, fourth rail, American Citizen Soldier, sgt Hook, etc are propaganda and war mongers?
are you saying that they are not real soldiers?
July 7th, 2007 at 11:48 am(yes I know Michael Yon and Bill Roggio are reporters)
Maybe I misunderstood your comment.
Frank M: If trolling is "an art," then so is crapping in public. Get a life, dumbass.
July 7th, 2007 at 11:49 amComment by unbelievable — July 7, 2007 @ 11:22 am
As I tried to say earlier but my post wouldn't show, the modern conservative movement (identifiable by their hatred of anything associated with FDR's social programs) has managed to get the idea of "balance" to replace the ideal of "objectivity" in the news. They feel that if you;re not hearing both sides of the story, then you're not hearing enough of the story. This is false reasoning, of course. If a news report shows details of corruption (including documents and comments from participants) in government, is it necessary to air the corrupt official's denials, when it's obvious he's lying?
July 7th, 2007 at 11:51 am> Read the milblogs for the real deal people.
I'm sure that the military doesnt ever read its soldiers blogs or decide to censor those who disagree with the US foreign policy that put them in the place they are at...
July 7th, 2007 at 11:53 amMaybe I misunderstood your comment.
Comment by the ugly american — July 7, 2007 @ 11:48 am
Typical... Instead of jumping to outrageous conclusions, why can't you cons actually ask people what they mean? Nowhere did I say those people weren't real. Nowhere. Yet you think it's acceptable to say that I did, so you can attack a strawman? You people are really pathetic.
July 7th, 2007 at 12:01 pm1. The troops are still in the early stages of the “Surgeâ€, and don’t deserve to be kicked yet again.
2. Beyond immigration stupidity, where exactly has the president been so horrible? It is a huge issue in itself, I don’t deny that, but I hope you aren’t folding like a cheap suit about the WOT just because you’re pissed about one issue.
I do NOT support his blind-spot endorsement of the immigration farce, but I still respect his backbone on the War, the reduction of our taxes, his anti-abortion stance, etc. People are getting ALL of their emotions wrapped up around the Amnesty that they’re dragging everything else into it.
July 7th, 2007 at 12:04 pmOur Troops on the field of battle deserve our unwavering support for both them and their mission.
To offer anything less is a disgrace of the highest order.
I think it is time for the folks in uniform , from the highest rank to the lowest , to stand up and speak out AGAINST these
ill informed , self absorbed politicians and political leaders
that are questioning their mission.
Tell it like it is guys !
July 7th, 2007 at 12:05 pmI agree, with the mission, we should stay the course until we WIN. Unfortunately we have too few people in the senate and the house who have never put their lives in harms way for this country. They “serveâ€, yep, safely behind barriers of concrete, are driven to work in heavy suvs. “Visit our troops under heavy guard. Receives a salary and perks which far exceed our members of the military.
AND NOW, they want us to pull out of Iraq, just like we did in Vietnam. We have just begun to purge the Iraqi citizens of their terrorcompliment and our elected servants want us to bring the troops home. It’s insane! Our military needs to WIN.
July 7th, 2007 at 12:06 pmGraham..Escalation is working beyond my EXPECTATIONS'....!!
Now can Senator Graham tell us what his expectations are ?!!
10,000 Iraqis are killed monthly
Last month June was one of the deadliest month in number of US & British soldiers killed and injured.
Iraqi government have no control over it own territory and people,and is getting weaker everyday.
What are Graham expectations?!!
Mr. Graham, just because you were able to go and buy a rug in the market escorted by good number of US soldiers and armored carriers...that does not mean that Iraq is enjoying any peaceful time as you did.
July 7th, 2007 at 12:06 pmIf things were great, then why are we still in IRAQ.... when no WMDS were found in Iraq,and no Saddam still alive in Iraq...?!!
Didn’t some assclown say several weeks ago the surge wasn’t working before it started and we didn’t have all the troops over there yet? Now the operation has just begun, appears successful so far, and new surrender monkeys step forward. It’s becoming more and more obvious as time and success goes on that all the slime bags that are on the take of Arab (oil) influence and favors will stab their own country in the back just to appease the influence. Apparently, a great many are very nervous about the September success check too. I’m afraid when we elect someone new, all we can do is step back and see whether or not they will sell us and themselves out. I don’t see this as a political topic, even though there are other decisions Bush has made I don’t agree with, this is a case of the security and future of the U.S. and the world war on Radical Islam. Lugar reminds me of that Iraqi who held his white boxer shorts up for the Predator that was acting as a FO for the artillery.
July 7th, 2007 at 12:06 pmThere needs to be more passion on winning this WOT and less passion on rewarding illegal aliens. This could cost us support in Iraq by the American people.
July 7th, 2007 at 12:08 pmComment by Wayne A. Schneider — July 7, 2007 @ 11:51 am
I don't have a problem with 'balance' per say... which FOX Noise isn't and never has been. :D
I have a problem with people who only see the side to the story (the Congressman lying) that they like and ignore the rest... Which is what FOX plays on... They use tone to imply influence that they have no business injecting. Lou Dobbs and Glenn Beck on CNN are just as bad. I'd say Ed Bradley was the epitome of responsible journalism when presenting balance, because he never let on to which side he leaned toward... Leaving it utterly up to you, the viewer to think it though. People seem to want to be told what to think instead... That bothers me that there's an audience for such lack of self-esteem.
July 7th, 2007 at 12:08 pmAnyone for a little First Person Shooter game?
July 7th, 2007 at 12:10 pmGreat, now we have a troll pretending to be different people supporting the illegal occupation of Iraq.
Comment by stock pirate — July 7, 2007 @ 12:04 pm
Comment by Jim Thone — July 7, 2007 @ 12:05 pm
Comment by Tilacum — July 7, 2007 @ 12:06 pm
Same manner, same message, same person...
July 7th, 2007 at 12:11 pmSouth Carolina is a trash state. Graham is representative of the population of SC. Iraq is no less violent and the costs of this war are staggering. So they visited Iraq. Every senator has. If this country continues on this course we will be bankrupt economically and morally. No I am not an Iraq vet but I'm a son of a WWII vet who saw extensive combat and told me no one in his right mind goes to war without exhausting all avenues.
July 7th, 2007 at 12:11 pmFunny that all those soldiers who re-upped on the 4th of July do not feel the same way and really shouldn’t they know better than an elite in Washington who is not on the ground.
July 7th, 2007 at 12:12 pmToday Paul Krugman asked what people like George Bush are doing to "sacrifice" for the war effort. That question is answered in a picture: the President of the United States, taking time from his busy schedule, for a little pre-birthday R&R, hanging out at a baseball game. Look at his face. Yeah, that's the demi-smirk of a man who is worried every day about the tens of thousands of men and women he's put in a position to get their heads blown off.
But, hey, let's be thankful for small favors. At least we're not forced (yet) to go to our town squares to sing "Happy Birthday" to his image on plasma screen TVs, celebrating 61 years of his foul polluting of the earth by his very presence.
http://rudepundit.blogspot.com/
July 7th, 2007 at 12:12 pm...but I still respect his backbone on the War, the reduction of our taxes, his anti-abortion stance...
Comment by stock pirate — July 7, 2007 @ 12:04 pm
But...
What you see as "backbone", we see as a stubborn refusal to accept reality, possibly indicative of a mental disorder;
What you see as a "reduction of our taxes", we see as an enormous burden on future generations with all the money we're borrowing (especially from countries not very friendly to us), and to say "our taxes" suggests that you are mroe well-off than most people;
What you see as "his anti-abortion stance", we see as hypocisy because he bases this "belief" on the idea that "all life is sacred", yet he enthuisiastically supports the use of capital punishment (so he must not mean "all" life.)
July 7th, 2007 at 12:13 pmIn an abstract sense, I think the majority of people in the country would like to see us carry things in Iraq through to a satisfactory conclusion.
In the practical sense, I think the majority of people have come to doubt both the competency and even the desire of the American political leadership to accomplish this goal. This applies largely to the executive branch, but also to the Congressional leadership of both parties.
Virtually nobody in DC appears to committed to success in Iraq. Given that reality, a staged withdrawal looks like the best option available.
July 7th, 2007 at 12:13 pmthis war MUST be won and a pullout will prove what the Islamist’s have known for years that we are a “paper tiger†and for that we will pay a heavy price in years to come. The military if given the freedom to do what it does best “break shit†would win this war in months however the “hearts and minds†pc crowd has never allowed that to occur, we should never get in the habit of fixing a country until we have demolished it and Germany and Japan are proof of that.
July 7th, 2007 at 12:15 pmJon,
I agree that most people would like some sort of victory. In a sense, we have achieved that. It has been almost 7 years without a successful terrorist attack on US soil. Although I am not a Bush backer, it is he who deserves the lion’s share of credit for that.
July 7th, 2007 at 12:16 pmComment by unbelievable — July 7, 2007 @ 12:08 pm
But, unbelievable, you and I are both old enough to remember a time before cable TV when the general feeling was that "they couldn't say that on television if it weren't true". The problem with "balance" is that often one side is completely wrong and contradictory to the facts. True journalists would point out when a government official is trying to tell the public something that is opposed to the facts, the way Jon Stewart likes to do. I wish more of the MSM would adopt this side-by-side comparison trick to prove the person speaking is not doing so from his mouth, but from somewhere lower on the body.
July 7th, 2007 at 12:18 pmOn supporting this war - it’s won already. What’s our remaining goal(s)?
WMD - check
Odai/Qusay - check
Saddam Hussein - check
Zarqawi - check
Elections - check
Democracy? They have a new constitution - not based on our values, but theirs - namely shariah. Under this set-up, Chaldeans and Assyrian Christians are fleeing to (of all places) Syria (while the US plans to take in 7000 Iraqi Muslim refugees). Which of them - Shia or Sunni - are pro-US? Shia? They are mainly supporting Iran and Hizbullah. Sunni? They are either supporting Saddam’s Baathists, or Zarqawi’s al Qaeda. Kurds? Sure, they are the most grateful of the lot, but we aren’t supporting a separate Kurdistan. So which of the people who we are trying to support actually deserves it?
And once again - what’s our mission _now_? Resolving whether Mohammed’s rightful successor was Umar or Ali? If there is a civil war between pro-Hizbullah Shia and pro-Ikhwan Sunni, whose side should we pick? Should we even stop such a fight, were it to break out?
Remember the 80’s war between Iran and Iraq? Did we end up any worse off due to millions of fanatics on both sides getting killed? Remember the 60’s proxy war between Egypt and Saudi Arabia in Yemen? Was that a good or bad thing for Infidels?
Bottom line - if there is an internecine war between Infidel hating
Muslims and Infidel hating Muslims, why is that a bad thing for Infidels?
If two or more of our enemies are busy destroying each other, why should we even bother stopping them?
Want to know my exit strategy for Iraq? Exit is the strategy. What will
result is a civil war between Shia and Sunni. Initially, it’ll be in Iraq. Then, inshallah, it’ll spread to Saudi Arabia, where the Shia in al Hasa province can rebel. Let all that Saudi cash that funds madrassahs and CAIR in the US be diverted towards containing their restive Shia,
and in the meantime, let Iran’s cash flow to their science project and
Hizbullah be diverted towards encouraging Shia rebellions in Iraq,
Saudi Arabia, Yemen and Bahrein. Once we have these 2 US hating groups at each others throats, we can then keep arming at a low level either side
so that neither gains the upper hand.
Note that we do not have a dog in this fight.
July 7th, 2007 at 12:18 pmWe have an interest in preventing Iranian dominance over Iraq and the Arabian peninsula. That gives us at least one dog in this fight.
July 7th, 2007 at 12:19 pmSaddam is DEAD, how much more of a win do you expect?
Saddam was why we invaded. If he's dead, then we "won". Mission Accomplished. Time to declare victory and go home....
July 7th, 2007 at 12:21 pmHow exactly does leveling Iraq, prove anything? Al Qaeda has already stated that the Iraq war has helped polarize the Islamic community, and bring their organization to the forefront. Recruitment is up, the ability to find, willing people to attack the west is up, and Al Qaeda and the fundamentalist Islamic movement are growing at a rapid pace, due to the war in Iraq.
The whole paper tiger, we need to teach em a lesson stuff is for the 4th grade bully, not for international politics.
July 7th, 2007 at 12:21 pmThe trolls are especially dense today--must be the bottom-dwellers of Bush' "base". Where anyone could get the idea that anything the Bush has done in the past 6 years could actually prevent a terrorist attack here is beyond me.
July 7th, 2007 at 12:22 pmImagine the circumstances under which a president hillary (spit, vomit, spit) would actually have to take out a nuclear armed Iran. No doubt with a nuke of her own.
Now that would be the irony of all ironies. And yet, she is probably the only one the MSM would let do so.
However, as she already has a 666 tatooed on her ass, I suspect that she would just line us up to see who refuses theirs.
July 7th, 2007 at 12:22 pmfor every 1 troop killed in iraq, 50 die on the highways.
averaage highway deaths per year==48,000
total irag killed to date==approx 3500
July 7th, 2007 at 12:23 pm"this war MUST be won and a pullout will prove what the Islamist’s have known for years that we are a “paper tiger†and for that we will pay a heavy price in years to come."
If only Reagan hadn't sold them weapons, we wouldn't be in this mess. It was then the islamists saw how cowardly and two-faced some Americans were (Reagan), and concluded we were weak.
July 7th, 2007 at 12:23 pmFrankly, the news out of Iraq over the last 3 weeks has been amazingly positive. By all accounts and on all fronts!
- the “hearts and minds†campaign IS working…across virtually the entire country. as a result the regular Iraqis are turning over alQueda baddies with increasing frequency
- speaking of alQueda…they are getting their ASSES KICKED in ever greater numbers
- civilian deaths are down…way down
- our military deaths are stable to slightly down…good news considering that a broad offensive (like we’re engaged in now) puts more troops in direct contact
Those that want us to LOSE in Iraq are getting more and more frantic to either engineer that defeat, or paint a picture of us as having already BEEN defeated!!
Pathetic!
July 7th, 2007 at 12:24 pmWe also have a strong interest in middle east oil, that is worth at least 3 dogs in this particular fight, you thing gas prices are high now, wait until the whole of the middle east is involved in a bloody sectarian war.
July 7th, 2007 at 12:24 pmWell, at least he’s been there. That can’t be said of the people who post here.
Comment by Frank M — July 7, 2007 @ 10:34 am
And a keyboard ranger like you has all the knowledge...sort of like the architects of the war, all those cowards in the PNAC and the drunken AWOL chimpanzee and his five deferment sidekick. All of them including the 101st Keyboard Rangers are chickenshit, chickenhawk, warmongering cowards. Graham, Lieberman, and McCain are all asshats for the military industrial complex and oil companies.
July 7th, 2007 at 12:24 pmaveraage highway deaths per year==48,000
total irag killed to date==approx 3500
Comment by IP727
How many on American highways are killed by IED's?
Your comparison is weak, just like Reagan's response to terrorism.
July 7th, 2007 at 12:24 pmor every 1 troop killed in iraq, 50 die on the highways.
averaage highway deaths per year==48,000
total irag killed to date==approx 3500
Comment by IP727 — July 7, 2007 @ 12:23 pm
Not really relevant, but thank you for playing. Driving on the highway is not the same as say fighting in a war zone.
July 7th, 2007 at 12:26 pmI wish more of the MSM would adopt this side-by-side comparison trick to prove the person speaking is not doing so from his mouth, but from somewhere lower on the body.
Comment by Wayne A. Schneider — July 7, 2007 @ 12:18 pm
My concern is that there is a fine line between omissions and censorship that I don't like.
I'd rather have an informed public who can, and who want to figure it out for themselves. I know that's wishful thinking, but agree that the best alternative is exactly what Jon Stewart did the other day when he did side-by-side comparison of clips, and let the facts sit next to the lies, so that teh truth was obvious.
Sad that out greatest journalists of the year are on Comedy Central... But better there than nowhere :D
July 7th, 2007 at 12:26 pmregardless of whether we had the right or wrong strategy to start, or along the way…we DO have a good strategy NOW!
That strategy, if allowed to run its course, appears to offer us the prospect of being able to leave with:
- alQueda beaten down
- the cycle of violence muted down to, say, Detroit levels
- a reasonably stable government (no worse than Chicago, for example)
All those things and more say we should FINISH the job!!
Go read Michael Yon’s last few dispatches…just read them. We ARE winning!
July 7th, 2007 at 12:27 pmPathetic!
Comment by Justrand — July 7, 2007 @ 12:24 pm
Bullshit is cheap on FAUXNOIZ. Go enlist asswipe.
July 7th, 2007 at 12:27 pm"total irag killed to date==approx 3500"
Comment by IP727 — July 7, 2007 @ 12:23 pm
Don't you mean "total US Troops killed to date"? Regardless, your statistics prove no point.
July 7th, 2007 at 12:28 pmHas everyone read about Zawrahiri’s new message? Even he KNOWS the insurgency is in big trouble in Iraq.
His message was very desperate. At the end, he thanked FC for his hard work.
Hang on mujihadeen. Hang on FC.
July 7th, 2007 at 12:28 pmImagine the circumstances...
Comment by Judy T — July 7, 2007 @ 12:22 pm
Sorry, Judy T, but just because your imagination frightens you so much is no reason to make up scenarios, "imagine" what will happen, and claim that as a sound basis for an unrelated snipe at Senator Clinton. (One of my senators, and I have already said publicly and to her that I expect her to fulfill the six-year term that she asked us to give her.)
July 7th, 2007 at 12:29 pmI wish more of the MSM would adopt this side-by-side comparison trick to prove the person speaking is not doing so from his mouth, but from somewhere lower on the body.
Comment by Wayne A. Schneider
I agree, Wayne. The whole idea of "fair and balanced" is faulty. It's not the job of the news to be balanced.
It's their job to report a story fully and truthfully.
July 7th, 2007 at 12:29 pm92. Comment by Wayne A. Schneider
I agree with Mr. Schneiders assesment of the pirates' comment. Unfortunately, too few Americans look past their own selfish intrests to the greater needs of the Nation and the World.
Their continuing support of an illegal siezure of assets on foreign soil is testimony to this fact. The pirate has profited from the market heyday this crime created, and therefore he approves of it. It's that simple. Greed is not a virtue, nor can it be passed off as one to anyone who knows the difference.
Greed is the root of this war. We all know it; some of us say it. Greed and poverty is our national product that we are allowing this administration (and some before it) to export across the globe.
I would suggest that this would be a better nation if we practiced what we preach, rather than paying lip service to the congregation while stuffing our pockets with the collections.
July 7th, 2007 at 12:29 pmActually not only are ‘we’ winning (certainly of late) , but more importantly the iraqi forces (and awakening forces) and citizens are winning. So far, So good but it’s definitely been “Game-On†for the last few weeks, we’ll see in the next few weeks if the enemy can or will adapt, I personally think they’re waiting for the last week in August to start pushing back strongly.
July 7th, 2007 at 12:29 pmHang on mujihadeen. Hang on FC.
Comment by Joker — July 7, 2007 @ 12:28 pm
Get a real life, troll.
July 7th, 2007 at 12:29 pmGo read Michael Yon’s last few dispatches…just read them. We ARE winning!
Comment by Justrand — July 7, 2007 @ 12:27 pm
LOL I have heard that over and over for the last 4+ years. Please give it a rest. we could have won already, had we continued going after Osama, taken down his organization, and maintained our alliances. Alliances we will need in the coming years to produce an effective way contain the violent extremists.
All of it could have been done without spending trillions to invade Iraq.
July 7th, 2007 at 12:30 pmWe have an interest in preventing Iranian dominance over Iraq and the Arabian peninsula. That gives us at least one dog in this fight.
Comment by Jon Bandor — July 7, 2007 @ 12:19 pm
We toppled the major force preventing Iranian dominance over Iraq...Saddam Hussein. Remember the Iran-Iraq War.
The Shiites are the majority in Iraq, and in the Iraqi Govt. Iran provided sanctuary for many of them, when Saddam was in power.
July 7th, 2007 at 12:30 pmIran has better relations with the Iraqi Govt. than America does, as well they should considering the long border between Iran and Iraq.
we have actually reached the point that we should want. We have Muslims turning on Al Queda and they are taking care of the problem.
I guess the reality of the utopian Wahabist state isn’t all it’s cracked up to be.
Too bad some “trust fund anarchists†running around in their Che’ t-shirts can’t learn the same lesson under the same circumstances.
July 7th, 2007 at 12:31 pmI agree, Wayne. The whole idea of “fair and balanced†is faulty. It’s not the job of the news to be balanced.
It’s their job to report a story fully and truthfully.
Comment by Zooey
Thats a good point. It is as if they imply that there are two spin sides to every story rather than one underlying truth.
July 7th, 2007 at 12:31 pmaveraage highway deaths per year==48,000
total irag killed to date==approx 3500
Comment by IP727
Well, now that you put that way, who cares!?
July 7th, 2007 at 12:31 pmWhat's on the tee vee.....?
/sarcasm
Comment by Infidel Pride — July 7, 2007 @ 12:18 pm
Your response was much better than mine. :D
Excellent points!
July 7th, 2007 at 12:31 pm"That strategy, if allowed to run its course, appears to offer us the prospect of being able to leave with"
Where have we heard that one before? Oh, yeah; when we invaded we heard lots of suppositions and saw many grand visions conjured by the neocons - and it all turned to shit. At this late date, only a Bush cultist would still think this civil war can be "won."
July 7th, 2007 at 12:32 pm#103: for every 1 troop killed in iraq, 50 die on the highways.
IP727 sez: dead GIs don't matter until they number >48,000.
Nice to see where your moral compass points, you subhuman soulless filth.
July 7th, 2007 at 12:33 pmAlthough I can understand any desire to separate one’s self politically from President Bush, I do think it is premature at this juncture to jump ship. General P’s reports are due in a couple of months. Instead of giving Dems more to be delighted with, can we not wait for the General’s reports on what is happening?
July 7th, 2007 at 12:33 pmMost of the republicans are worried about re-election. Jumping ship means they are more concerned with distancing themselves from the kryptonite Bush has become, to pander to the increasing number of Americans who are upset with what is happening in Iraq.
July 7th, 2007 at 12:35 pmComment by Infidel Pride — July 7, 2007 @ 12:18 pm
Well said.
July 7th, 2007 at 12:36 pmThe alQueda types are being turned in by those fed up with their tactics.
The alQueda types are feeling an ordinance crunch, as we focus on Iran (at least a little more) and they run out of stocks
The Sunnis & Shias are realizing that we ARE gonna leave…and that they had better stop the revenge BS or they will have to live in total hell
alSadr is beginning to realize that we just might cap his ass after all!
etc…
If a DEMOCRAT was in the White House they MSM would be trumpeting our victories…and demoralizing the enemy. Instead they are hell bent on doing just the opposite!!
July 7th, 2007 at 12:36 pm.....can we not wait for the General’s reports on what is happening?
Comment by beej — July 7, 2007 @ 12:33 pm
The General has already stated that there will be nothing of significance in his September report.
Do try to keep up.....
July 7th, 2007 at 12:36 pmComment by beej — July 7, 2007 @ 12:33 pm
Do you really think that the only general who would agree with the drunken AWOL coward on the surge will give an honest assessment in September? If you do, I have some ocean front property in the Mojave Desert I would like to sell you.
Nobody who gives honest assessments to the idiot in the WH is still employed. Get a grip, troll.
July 7th, 2007 at 12:37 pmWe have an interest in preventing Iranian dominance over Iraq and the Arabian peninsula. That gives us at least one dog in this fight.
Comment by Jon Bandor — July 7, 2007 @ 12:19 pm
Well, maybe we shouldn't have overthrown their democratically-elected government in the '50s?
July 7th, 2007 at 12:37 pmInstead of giving Dems more to be delighted with, can we not wait for the General’s reports on what is happening?
Comment by beej
And at this point, you would believe whatever he said, because of what? Because he is made out to be a savior or because he is a General?
You wouldn't think A Senator would lie either, would you? Or a President, for that matter.
July 7th, 2007 at 12:37 pmI do believe we are winning now and that real progress has been made. However, I do not believe Iraq is going to resemble a free and peaceful democratic republic anytime soon, and to believe so is wishful thinking. Ultimately it has to be transferred over to the Iraqis, while the U.S. maintains a background military presence.
What we have to focus on right now is squashing al Qaeda like a bug, which is what we are finally doing.
July 7th, 2007 at 12:37 pmIf a DEMOCRAT was in the White House they MSM would be trumpeting our victories…and demoralizing the enemy. Instead they are hell bent on doing just the opposite!!
Comment by Justrand
Bullshit.
If a Democrat were in the WH on 9/11, we wouldn't even be in Iraq, and
July 7th, 2007 at 12:38 pmWHERE IS OSAMA BIN LADEN?
Are you calling blogs like mudville gazette, blackfive, michael yon, one bored soldier, fourth rail, American Citizen Soldier, sgt Hook, etc are propaganda and war mongers?
Blackfive and micheal yon yes, the others I'm not familiar with. And as a citizen soldier who left Abu Gharaib in May of 06 I just want to say graham is a disgraceflu lying sack of shit.
July 7th, 2007 at 12:38 pmBetter than your expectations ay Lindsey?
Hmmm, 50 Iraqi's were killed this morning in attacks, that also killed 8 US soldiers.
Guess you didn't expect much huh?
July 7th, 2007 at 12:38 pmIf a DEMOCRAT was in the White House they MSM would be trumpeting our victories…and demoralizing the enemy. Instead they are hell bent on doing just the opposite!!
Comment by Justrand — July 7, 2007 @ 12:36 pm
If a Democrat was in the White House, we would never have made the greatest military blunder in history and we would not be in Iraq. Get a grip, hero.
July 7th, 2007 at 12:38 pmWe have an interest in preventing Iranian dominance over Iraq
and what would that interest be?
July 7th, 2007 at 12:38 pmas pissed as I have been at Bush at times (and a LOT lately) I thank God we didn’t get stuck with alGore and sKerry.
July 7th, 2007 at 12:38 pmComment by beej
Here's a prediction: Petreus will say we're winning, we won't withdraw, and next year this time, the American body count will be over 5000, the civil war will still be raging, and trolls will still be here, convinced the strategy is working. How many more years must we sacrifice our soldiers for a pipe-dream?
July 7th, 2007 at 12:39 pmas pissed as I have been at Bush at times (and a LOT lately) I thank God we didn’t get stuck with alGore and sKerry.
Comment by Justrand
Please explain why -- nearly 3600 dead troops would love to hear it.
July 7th, 2007 at 12:40 pmI've got a question.
Anyone look at the picture?
What the hell is Lieberman doing?
Just who does Lieberman think he's kidding?
July 7th, 2007 at 12:40 pmas pissed as I have been at Bush at times (and a LOT lately) I thank God we didn’t get stuck with alGore and sKerry.
Comment by Justrand — July 7, 2007 @ 12:38 pm
Why didn't you tell us you are a moron. After six years of the crime family you make some stupid statement like that on a board full of free thinking human beings? Go crawl back in your hole, shit for brains.
July 7th, 2007 at 12:41 pmA poll of who the troops on or off the field, current or former, would favor between George Bush and damn near ANY Democrat would have Bush favored by a mile.
Especially if the Democrat was:
July 7th, 2007 at 12:42 pm- Durbin…he called them Nazis
- Kerry…he called them stupid
- Reid…he called them losers
Comment by Zooey — July 7, 2007 @ 12:29 pm
Comment by willyloman — July 7, 2007 @ 12:31 pm
This has been the ONLY way the conservatives have managed to get as much public support for their positions as they have. By gaining the ability to have their message, however false, error-filled, deceptive, or unconnected-to-reality it is, put forth as a valid point of view, free of rebuttal. I read (probably Brock) that John Stossel's contract specifically states that no one on that show is allowed to refute anything in his reports. He's given a free platform from which to launch conservative talking points free of fat-checking and exposure of his hypocisy. And he's not the only one, there are a lot more of them.
Conservatives simply do not like the fact that the truth is against most of what they say.
July 7th, 2007 at 12:42 pmIt's just one troll changing names. Look at the successive time stamps...
Later...
July 7th, 2007 at 12:42 pmI thank God we didn’t get stuck with alGore and sKerry.
Comment by Justrand — July 7, 2007 @ 12:38 pm
Why? Al Gore would have given a reasoned and practical assault upon Al Qaeda, and Osama Bin Laden. Going after terror cells, money, and most important working on the next great energy source, so we aren't funding the very people who are trying to kill us.
So again aside from your rapid hatred why do you thank God Gore or Kerry wasn't in the White House?
July 7th, 2007 at 12:43 pmKerry Watches Presidential Parade Go By
Jul 6 05:15 PM US/Eastern
By ANDREW MIGA
WASHINGTON (AP) - AP Video Dashed White House ambitions, John Kerry has learned, can be humbling.
The Massachusetts Democrat is the first failed presidential nominee since George McGovern in 1972 to return to his day job in the Senate, surrounded by White House wannabes.
July 7th, 2007 at 12:43 pm#
A poll of who the troops on or off the field, current or former, would favor between George Bush and damn near ANY Democrat would have Bush favored by a mile.
Especially if the Democrat was:
- Durbin…he called them Nazis
- Kerry…he called them stupid
- Reid…he called them losers
Comment by Justrand — July 7, 2007 @ 12:42 pm
Not true, in the last election, the troops were pretty split over who should lead the country. They still are. Many troops may not be happy with the democrats, but damn they are hating Bush and his mob.
July 7th, 2007 at 12:44 pmComment by Justrand — July 7, 2007 @ 12:42 pm
You are truly a lying sack of shit Republican...no doubt about it. Dumber than a rock and gullible has hell. Get all your facts straight from the lard assed, drug addled, gas bag on radio and the FAUXNOIZ channel on TV...book it, if they say it, must be true. I have one for you. GO ENLIST, VERN...YOU MAY LEARN SOME REAL FACTS.
July 7th, 2007 at 12:45 pmYon’s reports from Baqubah are conspicuously ignored by the Dhimmicrats and their apologists on this site. Reid is now insisting we cannot wait until the September report on the Surge. We’ve got to abort this thing before it has a chance of actually succeeding. Success is killing large numbers of insurgents and jihadists while American and Iraqi deaths and casualties decline.
July 7th, 2007 at 12:45 pmAll the troops in the field, and those that believe in them, want is to have the country behind them. Even if it is just for a few more months.
But Reid, Pelosi, et al, are absolutely terrified that we WILL succeed…and so with every single postitive report that surfaces they ratchet up the demand that we quit NOW!
I hate to trivialize the situation, but this analyogy is PERFECT…
The plot of the movie “Major League†is that the owner must ENSURE THAT THE TEAM FAILS…in order to give her complete control.
The Democrats must ensure our “team†fails…in order to give THEM complete control.
July 7th, 2007 at 12:46 pm#142: thank God we didn’t get stuck with alGore
Six months before Bush's invasion of Iraq, at a speech at the Commonwealth Club, Al Gore warned that unilateral invasion of Iraq would increase terrorism, diminish American influence, and undermine US legitimacy. There is no doubt that if Gore was in the White House, US forces would have concentrated on pursuing Osama bin Laden (remember him, cons?) and the US would not have entered into this quagmire in Iraq.
That, and the budget would be in balance too.
You got a problem with that?
July 7th, 2007 at 12:46 pmI think TP needs to organize some sort of log in, I am tired of one idiot derailing the thread, posting under multiple names, launching attacks, patting themselves on the back etc.
July 7th, 2007 at 12:47 pmStupidiest post of the day:
"Success is killing large numbers of insurgents and jihadists while American and Iraqi deaths and casualties decline." Comment by RoBear
July 7th, 2007 at 12:48 pmas pissed as I have been at Bush at times (and a LOT lately) I thank God we didn’t get stuck with alGore and sKerry.
Comment by Justrand — July 7, 2007 @ 12:38 pm
What is wrong with you people? Why do you keep claiming that we would be much worse off in Iraq if a Democrat were in the WH? Why do you think we would even be there in the first place? Your comment makes no logical sense.
July 7th, 2007 at 12:48 pmRight-wing policies invariably pull a boner, but the wingers just say everything is fine. For example, Reaganomics was supposed to pay off the deficit!
July 7th, 2007 at 12:49 pmFunny that all those soldiers who re-upped on the 4th of July do not feel the same way and really shouldn’t they know better than an elite in Washington who is not on the ground.
Comment by jaded
You have a link for those that re-upped or are you just spewing something Limbaugh the Liar said?
July 7th, 2007 at 12:50 pmComment by Wayne A. Schneider — July 7, 2007 @ 12:42 pm
That's frickin' unbelievable, Wayne. Stossel can pull whatever he wants out of his ass, which he does on a regular basis, and no one can call bullshit. What a tiny, tiny man.
$$$$$
July 7th, 2007 at 12:51 pmBarfly,
This goes back to Vietnam, the only way to justify what was going on, was to point out, that US troops were killing many more of the enemy. The problem of course, that killing more of them, doesn't necessarily mean victory. The White House itself lists several things about "winning" in Iraq. and 3 out of 4 are political goals unattainable by US troops. The only goal on the list that is a military goal, is killing or capturing Al Qaeda, and insurgents.
July 7th, 2007 at 12:51 pmLindsay Graham is just your run of the mill idiot. He's now reached a par with McCain and we know that's he's totally insane.
What Iraq is this blowhard referring to? The same one where we see violence escalating every day? Graham has no credibility at this point.
July 7th, 2007 at 12:52 pm...can we not wait for the General’s reports on what is happening?
Comment by beej — July 7, 2007 @ 12:33 pm
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Why, sure. But will it change anything?
What we know for sure is that if the General was about to say "We're fuc#ed", he'll be fired before that (ring any bells?) and if he says, as is expected, that "Progress is being made", we'll be asked to give it six months (one Friedman) more for "the surge to do it's work" "to give the Iraqis a chance" blah blah.
We lost this thing over three years ago, if not at the instant we took Badhdad and told the Iraqis to go fu#k themselves. The only question is, how many more lives and treasure needs to be wasted before we admit the obvious.
July 7th, 2007 at 12:52 pmI think TP needs to organize some sort of log in, I am tired of one idiot derailing the thread, posting under multiple names, launching attacks, patting themselves on the back etc.
Comment by Krazny
How long have we been wishing for that......?
July 7th, 2007 at 12:53 pmSince Graham won't get reelected following this statement I wonder why he's prostituting himself so? Maybe he has designs on being considered a running mate to McCain so he's sucking up to that known moron big time. Whatever it is, it shall cost him his re-election now.
July 7th, 2007 at 12:54 pmEspecially if the Democrat was:
- Durbin…he called them Nazis
- Kerry…he called them stupid
- Reid…he called them losers
Comment by Justrand — July 7, 2007 @ 12:42 pm
Not one of those things is accurate. You have taken the Republican talking points and presented them as facts.
Durbin said that after witnessing what went on at Abu Ghraib, he didn't know if he was looking at the work of Nazis. He didn't "call them Nazis".
Kerry botched a joke in which he was trying to say that Bush was stupid, but as for the troops, he didn't "call them stupid".
And Reid said that the war was lost and it was a criticism of the president's failed policies, not of the troops. He didn't "call them losers".
I know these things because I actually listened to what each of those men actually said, not what the Republican Party claims they said.
Got facts?
July 7th, 2007 at 12:54 pmThe trolls are especially dense today–must be the bottom-dwellers of Bush’ “baseâ€. Where anyone could get the idea that anything the Bush has done in the past 6 years could actually prevent a terrorist attack here is beyond me.
Comment by Jane E. Schneider
Obviously somebody sent in the troll troops today. Like when they came to defend right wing radio and cry about the fairness doctrine. Funny thing is I heard many Reich Wing Nuts are crying about the fairness doctrine and want equal time for the Live Earth concert.
July 7th, 2007 at 12:55 pmFive rugs for $5?!?! That's what we call an abusively exploitive colonialist price! I once bought a rug in an Arab country (Tunisia, I think). It was cool because I paid in a mixture of Italian Lira, French Francs Tunisian money and some American dollars. My merchant was happy to take any form of currency I could produce.
July 7th, 2007 at 12:55 pmBut I paid $70 for a two foot by six foot rug. To get a rug for $1 and to have paid a fair, non-exploitive price, Graham would have had to have brought those little coffee-cup coasters-type four-inch by four-inch rugs.
Al Qaeda is on the run BECAUSE American troops will be leaving Iraq by Election day.
July 7th, 2007 at 12:56 pmAll agree that Al Qaeda is a small minority of the Insugency. They have been indiscriminately blowing up innocent Iraqi's (mostly Shiites) for years. Small wonder they are hated by most Iraqi's.
But the Sunni shieks had been tolerating them because they were more afraid of Shiite retribution, and hopefull of regaining their power . As long as America was endlessly committed to "the course" in Iraq, they had NO INCENTIVE to reach an agreement with the Shiites and Kurds. Well...the jig is up...they know they will lose Bigtime if a civil war breaks out, and are looking for a political settlement....which is what we all want.
Prostitute Graham is doing what's called contaminating the platform for September's renegotation on the iraq war. he's sewing the seeds of contamination of the evidence right now. i believe his lies can be considered an obstruction of justice since this war will be seen as an international crime in the days to come.
July 7th, 2007 at 12:56 pmNow we just need to hope that the Iraqis can get their shit together before the Dhimmicrats convince Americans that the strategic interests in Darfur outwiegh the our interests in Iraq.
July 7th, 2007 at 12:56 pm{gasp!} Liberty and freedom actually changing the hearts and minds of Iraqis? This is amazing. I don't think anyone could have ever predicted this!
July 7th, 2007 at 12:57 pmComment by Perry Logan
Conservatism is like the little spare tire we carry in our cars: it was only to be used when one of the real tires went flat. It was never intended to carry the full weight of day-to-day governance. Perhaps that's why the Bush administration is now so visibly down on the rim, and showering sparks...
July 7th, 2007 at 12:57 pmHowever, as she already has a 666 tatooed on her ass, I suspect that she would just line us up to see who refuses theirs.
Comment by Judy T
What does this even mean? You trolls get more ignorant every day.
July 7th, 2007 at 12:57 pmWhat the hell is Lieberman doing there?
:|
Lieberman. McCain. Graham.
The 3 Amigos.
July 7th, 2007 at 12:57 pmSeriously, Yon should get the presidential medal of freedom for the work he's doing over there. The MSM should hang their heads in collective shame.
July 7th, 2007 at 12:58 pm#186 even some bushevite trolls have a soul - maybe and then again maybe not. I would bet that anyone with more than two sticks to scratch together is finding a way to get to this concert.
July 7th, 2007 at 12:58 pmHow long have we been wishing for that……?
Comment by Zooey — July 7, 2007 @ 12:53 pm
Just yesterday I used the "contact us" link to tell them just that. Perhaps if more of us regulars did that, each and every day that we post, they might start to get an idea of what the people this site was meant for want out of it.
C&L uses Word Press (same as TP), and they also offer spell-checking and a preview screen. What's TP's excuse?
July 7th, 2007 at 12:58 pmThey should just strap parachutes on them and drop the 3 clowns into the middle of Anbar.
Then they could see first hand how "well" the surge is working.
July 7th, 2007 at 12:58 pmMichael Yon is doing amazing work, if only every journalist was like him we'd have had the place wrapped up by now. Why do they have to try so hard to undermine our efforts, to hurt the Iraqis, to help our friends? Some days I just sit and feel like weeping. This isn't a game, people's lives are at stake.
July 7th, 2007 at 12:59 pmSo he wandered around Dora with his camera and bermuda shorts?
July 7th, 2007 at 12:59 pmWhat an idiot.
averaage highway deaths per year==48,000
total irag killed to date==approx 3500
Comment by IP727
Way to support the troops, bubba. Maybe if we sent a couple million more troops we could kill them off fast enough for you.
July 7th, 2007 at 1:00 pmTime to go to another blog. Anyone else getting ridiculous duplicate statement screens from TP? What's going on here?
July 7th, 2007 at 1:00 pmOne has to wonder why McCain is allowing Graham to take the lead on this. Could it have anything to do with the beating that McCain took the last time he visited Iraq and came back to say how wonderful things are.
I guess the neoCONS don't really get it. The "it" is that we no longer believe them. We the people have finally awakened from our long sleep and are ready to fight back.
July 7th, 2007 at 1:01 pmC&L uses Word Press (same as TP), and they also offer spell-checking and a preview screen. What’s TP’s excuse?
Comment by Wayne A. Schneider
Good question!
I'll write them -- again -- it's been a whiile. :)
July 7th, 2007 at 1:01 pmso I guess the 100 people who were just KILLED in Iraq might say differently...
July 7th, 2007 at 1:02 pmMichael Yon is doing amazing work, if only every journalist was like him we’d have had the place wrapped up by now. Why do they have to try so hard to undermine our efforts, to hurt the Iraqis, to help our friends? Some days I just sit and feel like weeping. This isn’t a game, people’s lives are at stake.
Comment by Christopher Taylor
Hi Michael Yon, take your blogwhoring elsewhere. Thanks.
July 7th, 2007 at 1:02 pm"Now we just need to hope that the Iraqis can get their shit together before the Dhimmicrats convince Americans that the strategic interests in Darfur outwiegh the our interests in Iraq."
Comment by Darth Randell
Put your money where your mouth is. I've got fifty that says we'll still be there next year, and the troop casualties over 5000.
July 7th, 2007 at 1:03 pmWell, at least he’s been there. That can’t be said of the people who post here.
Comment by Frank M — July 7, 2007 @ 10:34 am
You mean people like you?
July 7th, 2007 at 1:03 pmThe trolls are especially dense today...
There are fewer than you might think, just one or two tiresome twerps with no life; i.e. frank m = toosexyformyshirt = justrand.
cf posts 23, 25, & esp. the crybaby defense of trolling w/multiple nicks in 72.
July 7th, 2007 at 1:03 pmaveraage highway deaths per year==48,000
total irag killed to date==approx 3500
Comment by IP727
Brilliant, just brilliant.
Republicans apparently just aren't good with statistics or math.
US Population. 300,000,000
Iraqi Population 20,000,000
Do the math moron.
July 7th, 2007 at 1:04 pmAnd by the way, the American car deaths aren't due to BOMBS BLOWING THEM UP, you uneducated twit.
July 7th, 2007 at 1:06 pm154 Success is killing large numbers of insurgents and jihadists while American and Iraqi deaths and casualties decline.
Comment by RoBear
If you watched any other news station than Faux Noise you would know that American and Iraqi deaths and casualties ARE NOT in decline. Last month was the bloodiest month since the war began for US casualties and we are starting off July with a real bang. This is today's news:
Attacks kill 50 Iraqis, 8 U.S. troops
Did you see that on Faux Noise? Probably not.
July 7th, 2007 at 1:07 pmas pissed as I have been at Bush at times (and a LOT lately) I thank God we didn’t get stuck with alGore and sKerry.
Comment by Justrand
And just WHAT could have gone worse, idiot.
July 7th, 2007 at 1:08 pmAlso, the American car deaths aren’t due to so-called "leaders" lying to their citizens to trick them into supporting a futile, insanely expensive dreams of empire.
July 7th, 2007 at 1:08 pmAnd by the way, the American car deaths aren’t due to BOMBS BLOWING THEM UP, you uneducated twit.
Comment by BARTLEBEE — July 7, 2007 @ 1:06 pm
Good one! Next he'll quote Brit Hume and tell you that Iraq is safer than California (using the same "logic".) Ha-ha.
July 7th, 2007 at 1:08 pmEven if your numbers were correct, which they're not.
Since the start of the war, approx 1,000,000 Iraqi's have been killed.
Thats 1 MILLION.
Which makes you an accessory to mass genocide on par with the Nazi regime, you pathetic twit.
July 7th, 2007 at 1:09 pmThe military part of the surge is working beyond my expectations
That's what happens when you have low expectations to begin with.
Of course, you must have very, very low expectations to be a Bush supporter at this point.
July 7th, 2007 at 1:10 pmEspecially if the Democrat was:
- Durbin…he called them Nazis
- Kerry…he called them stupid
- Reid…he called them losers
Comment by Justrand
No they didn't. You have to stop believing the lies you are being fed by Limbaugh and O'Reilly. You probably are going to start quoting stories from the National Enquirer next.
July 7th, 2007 at 1:10 pmQuestion for US history buffs: did any other President start and lose two wars?
I'm just asking.
July 7th, 2007 at 1:11 pmGood one! Next he’ll quote Brit Hume and tell you that Iraq is safer than California (using the same “logicâ€.) Ha-ha.
Comment by Wayne A. Schneider — July 7, 2007 @ 1:08 pm
Well if he thinks its so damn safe, why the hell isn't he over there, "supporting the troops"?
You don't need to join the military to serve in Iraq.
July 7th, 2007 at 1:11 pmWhat's the matter trolls?
You don't seem to have your hearts in this latest attack. It's almost like you're just going through the motions to get that paycheck. Can't you at least keep your talking points straight? Did your bosses send in the third string because they knew they would be getting their collective asses handed to them on this issue, so they wanted you benchwarmers to get some time on the field?
July 7th, 2007 at 1:12 pmWell if he thinks its so damn safe, why the hell isn’t he over there, “supporting the troops�
6th graders can't enlist.
July 7th, 2007 at 1:13 pmDoesn't it seem that the intelligence of the bottom dwelling, knuckle dragging, troglodyte, trolls is falling with the approval rating of their messiah in chief, the decider? They seem to be down to the bottom feeding morons...if the trolls on TP are any indication.
July 7th, 2007 at 1:13 pm"Now we just need to hope that the Iraqis can get their shit together before the Dhimmicrats convince Americans that the strategic interests in Darfur outwiegh the our interests in Iraq.
Comment by Darth Randell "
You're right about that. Darfur is not sitting on vast oil reserves. So Iraq is definitely in our best interests if you don't mind killing hundreds of thousands of people to steal oil resources from the country that owns them. Me, I would rather do without their oil and find a way to cut our apron strings from Big Oil.
July 7th, 2007 at 1:14 pmMaybe he has designs on being considered a running mate to McCain so he’s sucking up to that known moron big time. Whatever it is, it shall cost him his re-election now.
Comment by BetterLateThanNever
Running mate to McCain. That's a good one. Maybe they'll run off to the Retirement Home together.
July 7th, 2007 at 1:15 pmEspecially if the Democrat was:
- Durbin…he called them Nazis
- Kerry…he called them stupid
- Reid…he called them losers
Comment by Justrand
First of all, Justrand; These are gross misrepresentations of what they "said".
But lets focus on what they do. They call for them to come home.
President Bush calls on them to invade a nation,
President Bush calls on them to lay down their lives
to put money in his own pocket.
Who do you think does them a disservice?
July 7th, 2007 at 1:15 pmMaybe he has designs on being considered a running mate to McCain
Who would have guessed that the first gay candidate for VP would be a Republican? I guess teh gays really have come along way!
July 7th, 2007 at 1:18 pm"C&L uses Word Press (same as TP), and they also offer spell-checking and a preview screen. What’s TP’s excuse?"
If you use Firefox (I don't know about Explorer), the browser has a built in spell checker. If you see a word with a red underline, right click on the word and suggested spellings will appear. Click on the correct spelling and it will change in your post.
July 7th, 2007 at 1:18 pmAEI has packaged the two of them together as the Ticket of Unity.
Supposedly the Independant and the Free-thinking Republican.
But they both spout the same "keep Iraq" mantra
July 7th, 2007 at 1:19 pmAEI has packaged the two of them together as the Ticket of Unity
Seriously? Sounds like a slate any Dem would dream of running against.
The angry old torturer and the sniffy little queen.
July 7th, 2007 at 1:21 pmComment by Katie — July 7, 2007 @ 1:18 pm
Thanks, Katie. I didn't know that about Firefox. I've got "good ol' MS IE". I've been thinking about using a different browser, but I was concerned about conflicts with other programs I use.
And you're doing great today, BTW, in the War on Acerebralism. Keep it up!
July 7th, 2007 at 1:21 pm- Durbin…he called them Nazis
- Kerry…he called them stupid
- Reid…he called them losers
Comment by Justrand
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Aren't you missing out on
-x (D) called them terrorists and,
-Y (D) called them baby killers
I don't have them all but go to the most "reliable" sources on the internets, the FreeRepublic and the Fox Noise Channel for the complete, if fabricated, list.
July 7th, 2007 at 1:21 pmaveraage highway deaths per year==48,000
total irag killed to date==approx 3500
Comment by IP727
Talk about statistic abuse!
X=Vehicle Highway Person deaths in 1 year==approx 50,000
Y=US Combat Person deaths in 1 year==approx 1000
A=Total number of person vehicle trips on highways in 1 year
B=Total number of person combat missions in Iraq in 1 year
Assuming an IMPOSSIBLE 100,000 person combat missions:
How many vehicle trips would there have to be in order to have an equal death rate?
X / A = Y / B
50,000 / A = 1000 / 100,000
50,000 = 1000 / 100,000 X A
A = 50,000 / 1000 X 100,000
A= 5,000,000
In order for the death rates to be equal even with my impossible high combat mission estimate, those 50,000 highway deaths would have to have happened with only 5 million person highway vehicle trips.
Are more than 5 million person highway vehicle trips made in one year?
Duh of course!
So what have we learned?
Duh what anyone with an ounce of common sense knew all along, (except IP727), IT IS MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH MORE DEADLY TO BE A COMBAT SOLDIER IN IRAQ THAN A DRIVER ON A HIGHWAY!
July 7th, 2007 at 1:22 pmLindsey was just too damn busy checking on the male troops behinds to think of there safety. His idea of a "surge" is just not printable. I wonder how many troops and assets were given to these bozo's for safety and security. The three stooges, with there spin, are just too much of a lie...
July 7th, 2007 at 1:23 pmEIGHT (8) more troops dead TODAY.l
Graham is another COXUCKER punk TRAITOR like Bush...
July 7th, 2007 at 1:28 pm#103: for every 1 troop killed in iraq, 50 die on the highways.
I'm always amazed when this one comes up as it is a lose/lose for the warmongers. It displays both their desperation and the true utter contempt they have for Soldiers .
July 7th, 2007 at 1:29 pmJust to reiterate what others have said in this thread:
I don't know where in the world the brain dead war supporters in this thread get their figures, but even by cautious estimates put the death toll Iraq anywhere between 66,900 and 73,200 or so.
Not to mention that, statistically speaking, that is a huge number given that Iraq's population hovers (or hovered before the war) at around 27,000,000.
Put on top of that the roughly 4,000,000 displaced, and you get a sobering scenario of death and destruction in Iraqi society.
Heckuva job, Georgie
July 7th, 2007 at 1:30 pmPlease find a democratic candidate to oppose him and then post a link, even if he isn't up for re-election for 4 more years. I want to give a few dollars every time is see Graham any where. I can't stand that guy, and every time he opens his mouth I want to send him an email notice that I donated to his competition.
July 7th, 2007 at 1:30 pmComment by criticalthinker — July 7, 2007 @ 1:22 pm
See?
He DID the math.
July 7th, 2007 at 1:35 pmSo what have we learned?
Comment by criticalthinker — July 7, 2007 @ 1:22 pm
We've learned that progressives can do basic Algebra and Statistics.
Conservatives cannot.
July 7th, 2007 at 1:36 pmWe've learned that liberals and progressives are smart.
Conservatives are not.
July 7th, 2007 at 1:38 pmSo easy a caveman can do it.
July 7th, 2007 at 1:38 pmBut not a conservative.
July 7th, 2007 at 1:38 pmWe've learned to stand clear when a troll cites stats, because he's about to shoot himself in the foot. Again.
July 7th, 2007 at 1:39 pmSo easy a caveman can do it.
I can hear it now: "Cavemen didn't have traffic deaths, you libtard!"
July 7th, 2007 at 1:41 pm#223 I have to disagree with you. My Gran used to say: "Not all conservatives are stupid but I've never met a stupid person who wasn't a conservative." What we see on this blog is the second half of that line on display.
July 7th, 2007 at 1:42 pmWe’ve learned to stand clear when a troll cites stats, because he’s about to shoot himself in the foot. Again.
Comment by Arthur C. — July 7, 2007 @ 1:39 pm
Or take a crap in his own mouth.
July 7th, 2007 at 1:42 pmOk trolls. What have you learned?
You have learned that you must stick to what you know; Talking Points.
Don't get involved in that "math" stuff. That involves thought. And that means it's evil.
So, just keep on saying the same old company lines and wait till Rushhead gives you some new thoughts.
That's what he gets paid for.
July 7th, 2007 at 1:43 pmThe numbers do not lie.
BBC Headline: Iraq violence: Monitoring the surge
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/6273378.stm
The data is clearly out there. Is there any American outlet doing a similar analysis?
July 7th, 2007 at 1:43 pmHas anyone else done this math? Two percent of 427 people is either eight or nine people. One car bomb could have erased that difference. It's astonishing that people just credulously report these numbers without thinking about what they mean.
By the way, my clicking this button does not constitute agreement with your re-use policy, because I could not read it. Your link doesn't work. It's bad enough that you require me to read two wall-sized "terms of use" agreements before clicking a button, but making me beg to do it is beyond the pale. If that's not satisfactory, feel free to remove my comment.
July 7th, 2007 at 1:44 pmI can hear it now: “Cavemen didn’t have traffic deaths, you libtard!â€
Comment by Arthur C. — July 7, 2007 @ 1:41 pm
And he oughta know, huh? Being a Neanderthal and all.
July 7th, 2007 at 1:44 pmArthur C. [#15]
May I suggest you google up "Anbar awakening". Of course if you've been reading your papers carefully over the last few months you wouldn't have to.
July 7th, 2007 at 1:45 pmYou know the GOP is finished when all the trolls pretend to be Independents and actually say they are occaisionally disappointed or annoyed with Bush.
Well, I suppose human beings and fish can coexist peacefully. But I prefer to breathe air and trolls prefer to suck up swamp water.
Bush's war in Iraq reminds me of a bad Star Wars knock off film. Where's the Jedi when the Dark Side seems close to victory? And who exactly are The Enemy? Iraqi insurgents or neo-con nutbars?
It's been a good rule of thumb that someone should stay out of a civil war. And now America is stuck in TWO civil wars. The Taliban are Afghani; the Iraqi insurgency is Iraqi. It's time to pack up our tents and steal silently into the night.
July 7th, 2007 at 1:47 pmhe’s about to shoot himself in the foot. Again.
Comment by Arthur C. — July 7, 2007 @ 1:39 pm
Or take a crap in his own mouth.
Comment by BARTLEBEE
Or step on his pr*ck.
July 7th, 2007 at 1:47 pmYea and if you could read, you'd know that the only drop in deaths that has occured has been selective areas where US troop presence is so high, that the attacks are moved elsewhere.
And if you could read, you'd see that EIGHT US SOLDIERS died today, along with FIFTY IRAQI's.
In otherwords, you're an idiot Tollover, and you don't know your ass from a hole in your mom.
July 7th, 2007 at 1:48 pm"It’s bad enough that you require me to read two wall-sized “terms of use†agreements before clicking a button"
You actually read those things?
July 7th, 2007 at 1:49 pmAnd if you had read Arthur C's link, you would have read this.
July 7th, 2007 at 1:51 pm
What are you smokin'? Plan B, the "Anbar Awakening," is a pipe dream.
"Ali Hatem Ali Suleiman, 35, a leader of the Dulaim confederation, the largest tribal organization in Anbar, said that the Anbar Salvation Council would be dissolved because of growing internal dissatisfaction over its cooperation with U.S. soldiers and the behavior of the council’s most prominent member, Abdul Sattar Abu Risha."
You demonstrate why rightwingers are incapable of winning wars. They don't have what it takes: regular contact with reality. They live in a fantasyland.
July 7th, 2007 at 1:53 pmGoogle "Anbar awakening" for news you may not want to hear [because it's good] regarding Sunni Iraqis changing attitudes towards AQ.
July 7th, 2007 at 1:54 pm#103: for every 1 troop killed in iraq, 50 die on the highways.
I’m always amazed when this one comes up as it is a lose/lose for the warmongers. It displays both their desperation and the true utter contempt they have for Soldiers .
Comment by klyde — July 7, 2007 @ 1:29 pm
but...but...but...I'm pretty sure John McCain has 100 soldiers, 3 Blackhawk helicopters, and 2 Apache gunships escorting him when he goes out for a Sunday drive on our dangerous highways.
July 7th, 2007 at 1:55 pmHas it occured to anybody, that we are there illegally. Went there for a lie.
Even if it is becoming "successful" (which it clearly isn't) all that means is that we have "successfully invaded and OCCUPIED a nation".
That is a cause for celebration? Not in the America I remember.
July 7th, 2007 at 1:56 pmI can read, you delusional sap. Can you? See #239 for news YOU may not want to hear, because it's based in reality.
July 7th, 2007 at 1:56 pmHe should talk to Lt. Marcus Byrne, who posts in here occasionally under the handle, "Tom Paine".
Lt Byrne just got back from serving 3 tours in Anbar, with his wife who was also there. And he'll tell you Tollover, that you're full of shit.
What he described, was a bloodbath. And he's glad to be out of there.
July 7th, 2007 at 1:56 pmBush In Hell
One day in the future, George Bush has a heart attack and dies. He immediately goes to hell, where the devil is waiting for him.
"I don't know what to do," says the devil. "You are on my list, but I have no room for you. You definitely have to stay here, so I'll tell you what I'm going to do. I've got some folks here who weren't quite as bad as you. I'll let one of them go, but you have to take their place.
I'll even let YOU decide who leaves." Bush thought that sounded pretty good, so the devil opened the first room.
In it was Ronald Reagan and a large pool of water. He kept diving in and surfacing empty handed. Over and over and over. Such was his fate in hell. "No," George said. "I don't think so. I'm not a good swimmer and I don't think I could do that all day long."
The devil led him to the next room. In it was Richard Nixon with a sledge hammer and a room full of rocks. All he did was swing that hammer, time after time after time. "No, I've got this problem with my shoulder. I would be in constant agony if all I could do was break rocks all day," commented George.
The devil opened a third door. In it, Bush saw Bill Clinton, lying on the floor with his arms staked over his head, and his legs staked in a spread eagle pose. Bent over him was Monica Lewinsky, doing what she does so well. Bush took this in in disbelief and finally said, "Yeah, I can handle this."
The devil smiled and said "OK, Monica, you're free to go."
July 7th, 2007 at 1:57 pmWhere do you think I am BARTLEBEE?
July 7th, 2007 at 1:57 pmToliver, if you believe in the "Anbar Awakening", you must believe in Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy too. It's Pentagon propaganda. It doesn't exist. It shows up in the blogs of US marines and on Rightwing talking heads shows, but it's bogus. It's some of that "good news" that the Pentagon keeps fabricating. It should go up there with those Chinese Christians who are shot by Commie troops but the bullets pass through them and they are miraculously unharmed and float up and away to someplace safe and secure. Yep, sounds like it really happened. Okay.
I see the Trolls are engaged in rapid name-changing. They must be under orders to make their efforts seem widespread rather than a couple of freshman fratboys keyboarding in their parents' basement.
July 7th, 2007 at 1:59 pmGoogle “Anbar awakening†for news you may not want to hear [because it’s good] regarding Sunni Iraqis changing attitudes towards AQ.
Comment by oliver — July 7, 2007 @ 1:54 pm
I've read it you twit. And it is esoteric bullshit. "Changes in attitudes" my ass. They tell the soldiers what they want to hear. Why? Because our soldiers have guns.
And that report is contradicted by the Pentagons own report, which says that the deaths have not reduced. They just moved to other areas, like I've told your inbred self twice now.
July 7th, 2007 at 1:59 pmWhere do you think I am BARTLEBEE?
Comment by Toliver — July 7, 2007 @ 1:57 pm
Ahh a game. Cool.
I'm gonna have to go with moms basement, somewhere outside of Grande Platte.
July 7th, 2007 at 2:00 pmWhere do you think I am -- Toliver
Lost in a fantasyland of willful ignorance.
July 7th, 2007 at 2:00 pmA big reason why AQ is moving out of Anbar is because the Iraqis are killing them. That's the truth my friend.
July 7th, 2007 at 2:01 pmI'll leave you unhinged haters to stew in your own venom for now.
July 7th, 2007 at 2:02 pmA big reason why AQ is moving out of Anbar is because the Iraqis are killing them. That’s the truth my friend.
Comment by rollover — July 7, 2007 @ 2:01 pm
I;m not your friend, and you're full of Shiite.
July 7th, 2007 at 2:02 pmYou forgot to add that the reason why AQ moved INTO Anbar is because of Bush's ill-considered, poorly-executed invasion of Iraq.
July 7th, 2007 at 2:03 pmI’ll leave you unhinged haters to stew in your own venom for now.
Comment by Rollover — July 7, 2007 @ 2:02 pm
Mom called you for supper?
Ok.
Well don't let the door hit you on the ass on the way out.
July 7th, 2007 at 2:03 pmWhat is this converation even about? if we successfully loot and pillage another country for profit, it's ok as long as America Wins?
We are not fighting Al Queda, or Bin Ladden, or the Nazis or even those damn Liberals! We are fighting the People of Iraq who want us the F---- out of their country! And I know all these troll would be the very first in line to fight for our country if Saddam was here instead of the other way around. You trolls would be insurgants. just like I would if some troop from the Republican Guard kicked in my door and made off with my property or my brother.
They have that right. And we have none to judge what is Our measure of success in there streets and homes and cities. We have no right to be there period.
July 7th, 2007 at 2:03 pmGoogle “Anbar awakening†for news you may not want to hear [because it’s good] regarding Sunni Iraqis changing attitudes towards AQ. Comment by Toliver —
And have the Sunnis and Shia also had a reawakening of brotherly love?
July 7th, 2007 at 2:03 pmI’ll leave you unhinged haters to stew in your own venom for now
Translation: you people are pounding the snot outta me, I'm wimping out now.
July 7th, 2007 at 2:05 pmHey, Willy,
It occurs to me every day. But then I'm a Canadian and we know what really happened. Our PM appeared on American TV and explained why Canada wasn't joining the coalition the week before the invasion. We knew an invasion needed a 2nd --and promised-- Security Council resolution. We knew the UN weapons inspectors were doing their job and making progress. And we knew the case against Saddam had been "sexed up".
I think deluded people like Toliver don't know which end is up. They keep thinking God will intervene and prove Bush right. Ain't gonna happen. The Iraqis don't want to be occupied. And it's time to pack up and go home. alQaeda only accounts for 2% of the violence in Iraq --and that's the estimate from the military. Ask the Iraqis Who is killing them, torturing them, robbing them? They'll answer George Bush and the United States of Amnesia.
July 7th, 2007 at 2:10 pmEspecially if the Democrat was:
- Durbin…he called them Nazis
- Kerry…he called them stupid
- Reid…he called them losers
Comment by Justrand — July 7, 2007 @ 12:42 pm
Yeah, Yeah.
What about being called "Sacrifycing Warrior in permanent need of being respected and troops-supported, but mentally unstable enough so that any sound-bite expressing doubt as to the oucome of the war currently being waged will cause total and permanent demoralization."
July 7th, 2007 at 2:11 pm>i>And I know all these troll would be the very first in line to fight for our country if Saddam was here instead of the other way around. You trolls would be insurgants. just like I would if some troop from the Republican Guard kicked in my door and made off with my property or my brother.
Comment by willyloman
I daresay you overestimate troll backbones.
July 7th, 2007 at 2:14 pmA poll recently revealed that through-out the rest of the world, the United States is viewed as a greater threat to their way of life than China is.
China.
And the reason? But we sit around debating an issue such as this as if there were two sides to it.
Are there two sides to child molestation or narcotics trafficing? And there is not two sides to this. It is clearly a War Crime. So much so that our own Executive Branch of government hides its documents and slanders its critics and punishes the families of those who would call into question the justifications of war.
We are a nation of war sympathizers. Of apologists.
July 7th, 2007 at 2:15 pmI’m gonna have to go with moms basement, somewhere outside of Grande Platte.
Comment by BARTLEBEE
One minor adjustment, Bartlebee...
"Wearing Mom's dress, in Mom's basement..."
And we have a WINNER!!!
July 7th, 2007 at 2:17 pmOur PM appeared on American TV and explained why Canada wasn’t joining the coalition the week before the invasion.
Comment by david — July 7, 2007 @ 2:10 pm
You know, I saw her on the Colbert Report a could of years back.
She was intelligent, articulate and had her facts down cold.
:|
Then later that night, I saw a clip of Bush speaking on the news, and for some reason, I just started to cry.
July 7th, 2007 at 2:17 pmhe’s about to shoot himself in the foot. Again.
Comment by Arthur C. — July 7, 2007 @ 1:39 pm
Or take a crap in his own mouth.
Comment by BARTLEBEE
Or step on his pr*ck.
Comment by shane
How about stepping on his own pr*ck whilst choking on a mouthful of his own crap after shooting himself in the foot? It's a Hat trick! A Trifecta!
July 7th, 2007 at 2:19 pmDamn!! Y'all kicked the ever livin' SHIT out of those trolls, guys!
Well done. :D
July 7th, 2007 at 2:21 pmAre there two sides to child molestation or narcotics trafficing? And there is not two sides to this. It is clearly a War Crime. So much so that our own Executive Branch of government hides its documents and slanders its critics and punishes the families of those who would call into question the justifications of war.
We are a nation of war sympathizers. Of apologists.
Comment by willyloman — July 7, 2007 @ 2:15 pm
And THERES the truth.
July 7th, 2007 at 2:25 pmlooking at that picture: ''LARRY,MOE AND CURLY''.......but wait, that would unfair to the three stooges.
July 7th, 2007 at 2:25 pmPretty low expectations there, huh, Lindsey?
July 7th, 2007 at 2:35 pmWhen I left the theatre after watching Sicko, one feeling prevailed.
Shame.
This was the fight of my generation. And I failed. I failed to see it and recognize the spread of corporatism thru-out my nation. I failed to rally with those who tried to spread the word that this is what we were becoming.
In the lead up to the war, there were those who tried to bring us back to our sanity. But they were too few and they were crushed as the apologists glammered for victory over someone. A shameful moment in our history.
But now we are many. And we will live in shame no more.
July 7th, 2007 at 2:37 pmThen later that night, I saw a clip of Bush speaking on the news, and for some reason, I just started to cry.
Comment by BARTLEBEE
yes.
July 7th, 2007 at 2:39 pmHave any of us really stopped to think that we are debating these trolls who are a bit like the Japanese soldiers in the caves years after WWII ended: they blindly kept fighting because they didn't know the war was over. And this debate is over, the trolls (and the 26%ers just haven't figured it out yet.
How lonely and sad their lives must be!!
July 7th, 2007 at 2:40 pmThen later that night, I saw a clip of Bush speaking on the news, and for some reason, I just started to cry.
Comment by BARTLEBEE
That happens to me when I see a clip of Bill Clinton answering a question on foreign policy extemporaneously followed by a clip of Bush answering any question, even with notes (like the soldiers' "press conference" where the whole thing was staged.)
July 7th, 2007 at 2:42 pmMc Cain, Graham and Lieberman. McCain is washed up. Maybe his trophy wife can find a real man. Not an asskisser to the Bush crime family. Lindsay Graham is dead in the state of SC due to immigration stance. Also rumors of his sexual orientation. Lieberman well he is an Israeli. They will fight to the last drop of American blood.
July 7th, 2007 at 2:44 pmThe Sunnis have rejected the USA more than they have rejected al Qaeda. Haven't they been tolerating al Qaeda as an ally in getting us out? About 85% of Iraqis want us OUT. Their country is being destroyed.
Zogby Poll Feb 28, 2006 of our troops in Iraq: 72% said ALL troops should be out by Feb 2007. That puts them well to the left of the Democratic leadership. I wonder what the % would have been if 90% of them did not have the false belief that the war was retaliation for Iraq's role in 9/11?
http://zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=1075
July 7th, 2007 at 2:44 pmWayne, I don't know if you ever got your facebook glitches worked out, but I sent you a link I found on one of the TP threads that you might find interesting. Let me know what you think.
July 7th, 2007 at 2:47 pm"I see the Trolls are engaged in rapid name-changing. They must be under orders to make their efforts seem widespread rather than a couple of freshman fratboys keyboarding in their parents’ basement."
Look at how fast the posts above came out; he's probably just cut and pasting comments from another webpage here, and then filling out the name of the person who made the comment.... As some of them are complimenting Yon, it's probably from his blog. Which rather disproves the idea that there is informed debate going on at that blog, eh? Considering most of the comments are just full of asshattery and republican hate, rather than intelligent military/socio-economic information...
Isn't it sad though? How disturbed and damaged to you have to be to spend hours driven by pure hate to bombard a webpage with trolling efforts, and then as many posts as you can copy and paste, just because you can't bear to think that not only are there people out there who disagree with you, but those people are far smarter and more accurate in their understanding of the world than you are? What kind of pathetic life is it to be driven constantly by impotent rage?
Poor, poor "Frank".
July 7th, 2007 at 2:47 pmWhat hurts me the most is a press conference with Snow where he is clearly reciting the "talking points" fed to him by some PR Company.
July 7th, 2007 at 2:48 pmour country is run by ad execs who spend their lives figuring out the best way to lie to us, without being committed to the lie, for future deniability.
They have pushed so far to the opposite end of the meaning of Democracy, that they fell it is only a lie if it is discovered.
And this trickles down into state and local politics. Beyond the money and the deficit and the lives and the real fear of America felt by the rest of the world, this administration has corrupted the very essence of America. Taken our core values apart. They are a cancer. And there is no other way to see it.
The conservatives have drunk the punch! Die a slow and painfull methaporical intellectual death then you idiots.
July 7th, 2007 at 2:50 pmEarlier today I said 50 Iraqi's died. I was wrong.
Suicide truck bomb kills 100 in Iraq
YAHYA BARZANJI
Associated Press Writer
39 minutes ago
TUZ KHORMATO, Iraq - A suicide bomber detonated a truck full of explosives in the market of a Shiite farm town on Saturday, killing more than 100 people and levelling nearby mud-brick buildings, police officials said
Wow.
Lindsey must be very pleased with all this progress.
July 7th, 2007 at 2:50 pmLive Earth is on Sundance and Bravo. Yall should tune in.
July 7th, 2007 at 2:50 pmYou know, I bet Lindsey would look good in a tunic and an armband.
July 7th, 2007 at 2:51 pmOneTrickPat -
And, as I said in #272, they are fighting a lost battle, anyway.
And being a Troll keyboard Commando provides no medals, just carpal tunnel.
July 7th, 2007 at 2:51 pm100 people dead in one day from a truck bomb.
Yea, that happens every day in the US.
July 7th, 2007 at 2:54 pmhttp://entimg.msn.com/i/ExperienceData/p1-7/en-us/x.htm?sh=LiveEarthLive&g=fd3116b3-ebc3-439e-a9a0-2bb5dbf305cb
this is the feed from all of the shows. I am listening to it as I write.
enjoy
July 7th, 2007 at 2:54 pmSpinal Tap is playing at the UK site.
July 7th, 2007 at 2:55 pmComment by Zooey — July 7, 2007 @ 2:47 pm
I just did a few minutes ago. I can't believe those people. Acerebralists one and all, including their boy Brownback.
July 7th, 2007 at 3:04 pmI just did a few minutes ago. I can’t believe those people. Acerebralists one and all, including their boy Brownback.
Comment by Wayne A. Schneider
That's the sort of thing that brings tears to my eyes -- as well as listening to the King speak.
July 7th, 2007 at 3:09 pmOh there you are, Zooey.
What is a straw man argument?
(nobody help her, she needs to learn)
July 7th, 2007 at 3:23 pmWhat is a straw man argument?
(nobody help her, she needs to learn)
Comment by Mr. President
See "Mr rogers" thread for more information...
July 7th, 2007 at 3:27 pmLinseed Graham(cracker) is a S.C. moron!!
Smart lawyers don't lawyer for the military...smart lawyers go into private practice and make serious money!!
July 7th, 2007 at 3:36 pmQ:What do the 3 men in that picture have in common?
A: They are 3 men without a chance in hell of ever being elected again to anything higher than dog catcher.
July 7th, 2007 at 3:47 pmMilitary lawyers don't do anything but stand next to their "Client" while a higher ranking officer hands down verdicts and sentences. Military lawyers couldn't make it in the real world.
July 7th, 2007 at 3:48 pmWhy listen to folks who have been to Iraq, when you can all listen to each other? Do you people ever have ANYTHING good to say about your country? How pathetic.
If the Iraqi people want to kill each other, so be it. After all, Saddam was killing his own people also. Seems like Iraqi's killing each other has been a national pastime for decades. The Iraqi's need to wise up and step up. At this point, U.S. forces need to be there for U.S. security, not so much for Iraqi security.
If it's Iran that is instigating, as it appears Iran is, then our military will be heading for Iran soon, whether Democrats or Republicans are in power. Just take a look at the Clinton's record as "co-presidents". Plenty of military action around the world. What makes you think Hillary is going to be different than Bill?
If Guiliani wins, he's still going after the terrorists globally, just more effectively.
Not much for you "peace at all costs" folks to look forward to, is there?
July 7th, 2007 at 3:48 pmNow they are saying that Truck Bomb killed 117 people in Iraq.
July 7th, 2007 at 3:49 pm"If the Iraqi people want to kill each other, so be it."
Good, if that is the way you feel, let's leave.
BTW, I have been to Iraq, back when we had smart enough people leading the country to realize that 600,000 troops weren't enough to take Bahgdad.
July 7th, 2007 at 3:51 pmO. Bigfoot,
July 7th, 2007 at 3:54 pm
But the real question is, did he get any great bargains on Persian rugs in his stroll through the market?
icf itmfa
July 7th, 2007 at 3:55 pmIf Guiliani wins, he’s still going after the terrorists globally, just more effectively.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — July 7, 2007 @ 3:48 pm
Please tell us on what you base this unfounded assertion?
July 7th, 2007 at 3:56 pmBecause he talks tough?
#294 If Guiliani wins, he’s still going after the terrorists globally, just more effectively. by Bigfeet
Rudee will be exposed for the fraud that he is, with NO international experience and a bigger flip-flopper than even Romney--- another person with no international experience.
Go on believing your 26%er ways, while the rest of the normal people get on with reality.
July 7th, 2007 at 3:58 pmhuh...
July 7th, 2007 at 3:59 pmLIEberman certainly looks comfortable standing there
with his fellow repugs...
blends right in...
.
Comment by katy — July 7, 2007 @ 3:59 pm
McCain looks like he just spotted a guy in the audience who use to beat him at the Hanoi Hilton.
July 7th, 2007 at 4:05 pmNot much for you “peace at all costs†folks to look forward to, is there?
Comment by O. Bigfoot — July 7, 2007 @ 3:48 pm
As opposed to "war at any cost"?
But thanks for showing how pathetic and desperate scumbags like you really are. No one in here is a peace at "all costs" citizen, which is clear by the millions of comments throughout the years in here. But since you can't debate our logic, you're left with inventing a position, and then debating yourself on it.
Like the maggot you are.
July 7th, 2007 at 4:07 pmAnd as for the scumbag calling itself bigfoot, his tired old argument about saying something good about our country is just that, tired.
Here OBigmouth. I'll say something good about our country.
Our country will be great again, when we rid it of the neo-nazi pigs like you, who have desecrated its great name.
July 7th, 2007 at 4:10 pmWhy listen to folks who have been to Iraq, when you can all listen to each other? Do you people ever have ANYTHING good to say about your country? How pathetic.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — July 7, 2007 @ 3:48 pm
We don't listen to each other. We have people on the ground in Iraq around the world that speak truth to power...the power which you suck the teets of everyday, while accepting your incestial blindness as a divine blessing!
I got lot's o' good to say about America!!
The people threw out the Repugniscum majority. That's a great American trait (free elections) the facist Repugniscum party wants to destroy!!!!
The American People are much smarter than you! And they always will be so! That's a great American blessing!!
The majority of Americans are not sucked in by the Elmer Gantry's of the world like Pat (Every Child's Behind) Robertson, Jim and Tammy Faye Bakker, Jerry (Christian Nazi) Falwell, and James Dobson; the most evil of them all!!!
I'll add more later...keep readin' moron!!!
July 7th, 2007 at 4:10 pmBut since you can’t debate our logic, you’re left with inventing a position, and then debating yourself on it.
Like the maggot you are.
Comment by BARTLEBEE
Hey, Mr. P, here's that "strawman" you were looking for!
July 7th, 2007 at 4:13 pmMr. Pee(head),
This great country is 10X more tolerant than the trolls, with SCREED MARKS in their shorts like you, would have everyone else believe.
July 7th, 2007 at 4:20 pmThis blog by Riverbend should be sent to every pro Iraq-invasion/occupation, war person.
Feb 2007
[snip]
The Rape of Sabrine...
And yet, as the situation continues to deteriorate both for Iraqis inside and outside of Iraq, and for Americans inside Iraq, Americans in America are still debating on the state of the war and occupation- are they winning or losing? Is it better or worse.
Let me clear it up for any moron with lingering doubts: It’s worse. It’s over. You lost. You lost the day your tanks rolled into Baghdad to the cheers of your imported, American-trained monkeys. You lost every single family whose home your soldiers violated. You lost every sane, red-blooded Iraqi when the Abu Ghraib pictures came out and verified your atrocities behind prison walls as well as the ones we see in our streets. You lost when you brought murderers, looters, gangsters and militia heads to power and hailed them as Iraq’s first democratic government. You lost when a gruesome execution was dubbed your biggest accomplishment. You lost the respect and reputation you once had. You lost more than 3000 troops. That is what you lost America. I hope the oil, at least, made it worthwhile.
http://riverbendblog.blogspot.com/
July 7th, 2007 at 4:22 pmMr. Pee(head),
Why don't you prove Linseed Graham(cracker) is not a complete moron like you...I just dare you...I double-dog dare you to prove me wrong!!!
FREE SPEECH!! IT'S ALL AMERICAN!!! AND I LOVE AMERICA YOU MORON!!
July 7th, 2007 at 4:22 pmHey, Mr. P, here’s that “strawman†you were looking for!
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — July 7, 2007 @ 4:13 pm
Actually I think that one was a STRAWMAGGOT argument.
:P
July 7th, 2007 at 4:25 pmMe. Pee(head),
Now, here's something I used to take pride in...the DOJ and FBI and rule of law...
Well, AG the AG (CUA!) ruined that!! The Repugniscums have completely ph*cked the sense of justice in the country into the most infertile ground on Earth!!!
So, now I'm left pointing out the FADING greatness of this country to a Ghoul-Aid guzzler like you just to prove I'm an American or not less loyal than you? NAZI!!!
Ph*ck you!!!
July 7th, 2007 at 4:30 pmHere's the thing about the Strawman (maggot) argument they make, that is, about us "Badmouthing America".
Its a lie.
A dirty, cowards lie.
Anyone who can read can see no one in here has ever badmouthed America.
We do however badmouth bad Americans.
Just like a mother who condemns a wicked act by her son or daughter, so too good Americans badmouth bad ones, to bring their deeds to light, and either help them account for them or trun from them.
Their argument, that we are badmouting America is based on the notion that THEY ARE America.
They are not.
They are just some of its less reputable citizens.
July 7th, 2007 at 4:34 pmMr. Pee(head),
Here's another great thing about this great USA!!!
This blog site is not censored by the goverenment for which you and your facist friends would pray would be so. There are NO FREE SPEECH SITES ON THE WWW RUN BY REPUGNISCUMS!!! THEY ARE ALL CENSORED!!!
BTW, Linseed Graham(cracker) is still a S.C. moron!! Can you stay on topic???!!!
July 7th, 2007 at 4:38 pmY'all,
Why does Mr. Pee(head) hate America? Isn't there a law against trying to overthrow our government...like...uh...TREASON???
Yes, Pee(head) I love the fact that your hatred for America is not tolerated in the great country!! Long LIVE DEMOCRACY!!!
MAY FACIST DIE IN THE STREETS!!!
July 7th, 2007 at 4:44 pmYou got to be kidding me, I can't believe these guys can still find a microphone to talk into... Is anyone still listening to this?
July 7th, 2007 at 5:04 pmHey Pee(head),
Here's a quote from Paul "Krugman: In Bush's world, only the little people make sacrifices"
And here's the link:
http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Krugman_In_Bushs_world_only_little_0706.html
I love this country for it's free-press and the fact that truth can speak to power...Something facist like you fight against everyday!! You FACIST bastards hate the free-press!!!!
July 7th, 2007 at 5:10 pmThis pathetic excuse of a legislator (RightWinger - Stupidiot Conservative)
July 7th, 2007 at 5:16 pmis a disgrace to the Senate, and the state that elected him.
I can only hope that those South Carolina rednecks have a provision in the state constitution for impeachment or removal from office for malfeasance or just plain stupidity.
July 7th, 2007 at 5:20 pmPerhaps this is just a case of the soft stupidity of low expectations??
July 7th, 2007 at 5:27 pmJoe ' I love Israel more than America' Loserman is skulking in the background in that picture the other 2 losers. HA HA....America a land of losers
July 7th, 2007 at 5:27 pmJason, thanks for pointing that out. The expression on Joe's (I-Israel)
July 7th, 2007 at 5:33 pmface looks like he is way too medicated to stand without being propped up (probably by a Mossad agent).
Mr. Pee(head),
I also love this country for it's attempts to address the inequities against women and children and the indigenous people who where here first and the slaves dragged here against their free-will!!!!
July 7th, 2007 at 5:35 pmTroll question: Are you calling blogs like mudville gazette, blackfive, michael yon, one bored soldier, fourth rail, American Citizen Soldier, sgt Hook, etc are propaganda and war mongers?
Blackfive and micheal yon yes, the others I’m not familiar with. And as a citizen soldier who left Abu Gharaib in May of 06 I just want to say graham is a disgraceflu lying sack of shit.
Comment by klyde — July 7, 2007 @ 12:38 pm
Thank you for your service and integrity, Klyde. It's amazing--well not really-- that a couple of trolls still posted praise of Micheal Yon after your comment. But then the chickenhawks always think they know more about war than those who actually served.
July 7th, 2007 at 5:40 pm#294 Romney got a religious deferment from Vietnam. A true chickenhawk. I had to laugh. He got that because its against his religion to kill or be killed. Isn't that nice. The church lady sings.
July 7th, 2007 at 5:46 pm#294 Romney got a religious deferment from Vietnam. A true chickenhawk. I had to laugh. He got that because its against his religion to kill or be killed. Isn’t that nice. The church lady sings.
Comment by Mike — July 7, 2007 @ 5:46 pm
And they think then that he would make a perfect "Commander-in-Chief" in the "War on Terror"?
July 7th, 2007 at 5:51 pmMr Pee is a strawman. And to argue with him is to have a strawman argument. His thoughts are so lightweight that they're easily knocked down. If he were Mr Sh!t he might carry more weight. But he'd still be excrement.
July 7th, 2007 at 6:13 pmGraham would rather defend a strategy that republicans like Lugar are abandoning. He doesn't care for our troops who are dying for a mistake. The surge has failed. The policy has failed. Yet we continue to ask our soldiers to die for a policy that has made us less safe and has put them in harm's way. Our presence in Iraq is used as a recruiting tool by insurgents. We are seen as occupiers not liberators. It is immoral to defend a policy that you know is wrong and has failed. Why should even one soldier die in a civil war between Shiias and Sunnis? McCain, Graham and Lieberman have lost credibility for holding a position that a majority of Americans don't support. This was the wrong war in the wrong place at the wrong time.
July 7th, 2007 at 6:18 pm#294 Romney got a religious deferment from Vietnam. A true chickenhawk. I had to laugh. He got that because its against his religion to kill or be killed. Isn’t that nice. The church lady sings.
Comment by Mike — July 7, 2007 @ 5:46 pm
Well it is noteworthy that he got a deferrment, but Mormons don't have a problem with "just" war. Romney's deferment was to serve on a 2 year Mormon mission, something most young mormons do.
But as for war, the Mormon Church had its own army for many years, and even held off the US military temporarily back in the 1800's. Mormons believe in "obedience to government". In fact, members of the church who lived during the war in Nazi Germany were encouraged to "support their government". There were many cases of members of the Mormon church who were excommunicated by local German stakes (a geographic boundary of church members and ward or meeting houses) for working against the Nazi party. The most famous of these cases was a young Mormon by the name of Heinrich Huber, who was HUNG by the Nazi's for Treason. The Church promptly excommunicated him.
Well, I'd better stop digressing, lol.
July 7th, 2007 at 6:23 pmOne other interesting note on that thought Mike. Mormon doctrine teaches that the United States would win any wars it gets in, other than ones where we are the aggressors.
Prophetic or not, so far it has been quite correct.
July 7th, 2007 at 6:26 pmOh and if the obedience to govt thing and their own army holding off our government is confusing, don't worry. I never figured out that one either.
July 7th, 2007 at 6:34 pmLinsay, come out to the closet, grab a rifle and go chase down the "enemy" what ever that is. Grab Lieverman, Krisol and the rest of your butt buddies.
Can't wait to contribute to whoever runs agaist you.
July 7th, 2007 at 6:40 pmLinseed Graham(cracker) ...
Willing ran for and accepted the mantle of the hard-core racist, facist Strom Thurman...These people hate everyone that ain't white and male and
July 7th, 2007 at 6:51 pmChristian!!
.
Well, Lindsey...
Anything is possible when you set such low expectations.
What was this about, "The President isn't above the law," crap you iterated last year? We all know you didn't mean that.
.
July 7th, 2007 at 7:04 pmThese liars have no shame.
July 7th, 2007 at 7:15 pmWe could sure nuff have em on the run over there if Straight Talk, Holy Joe and Huckleberry would go over there again and tell us how the Surge is working if we could only stay a few more Friedmans. But we don't have enough snipers and helicopters to protect them right now. I guess we could surge the surge. If we only knew where to get the troops.
July 7th, 2007 at 7:49 pmI still have more respect for Sadamm and Bin Laden than I do for Bush and Cheney
July 7th, 2007 at 7:59 pmdixie blood,
HEYOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sounds like somebody has sand in her Southern Cross bikini!!!!
July 7th, 2007 at 8:01 pmI still have more respect for Sadamm and Bin Laden than I do for Bush and Cheney
Comment by steve — July 7, 2007 @ 7:59 pm
You are an Islamo-Stalinist!!!
An enemy to the USA!!!
and a brainwashed moron!!!
July 7th, 2007 at 8:02 pmLindsey, You give homos a bad name!
July 7th, 2007 at 8:06 pmYou are an Islamo-Stalinist!!!
An enemy to the USA!!!
and a brainwashed moron!!!
Comment by Mr. President — July 7, 2007 @ 8:02 pm
July 7th, 2007 at 8:08 pm
#294 If Guiliani wins, he’s still going after the terrorists globally, just more effectively. by Bigfeet
Newsday 6-19-07:
"Rudolph Giuliani's membership on an elite Iraq study panel came to an abrupt end last spring after he failed to show up for a single official meeting of the group, causing the panel's top Republican to give him a stark choice: either attend the meetings or quit, several sources said.
Giuliani left the Iraq Study Group last May after just two months, walking away from a chance to make up for his lack of foreign policy credentials on the top issue in the 2008 race, the Iraq war."
July 7th, 2007 at 8:18 pmI can only hope that those South Carolina rednecks have a provision in the state constitution for impeachment or removal from office for malfeasance or just plain stupidity.
Comment by celtic cynic
Well they elected Strom Thurmond till he died at 100.
July 7th, 2007 at 8:23 pmIs it against Romney's religion for the one million Iraqis or 3,960 Americans to die for this tremendous gift to the terrorists---or does his religion only cover his own ass?
July 7th, 2007 at 8:28 pmMr.Pee,
There are no Islamo-Stalinists. It is just a meaningless term made up by conservative idiots who don't even know what either of the two words mean.
July 7th, 2007 at 8:32 pmComment by IdahoMoe — July 7, 2007 @ 8:08 pm
Maybe that is what a Lefty would do when someone puts terrorist above the President, but not a true Patriot like me!!!
July 7th, 2007 at 8:32 pmComment by Keith G. — July 7, 2007 @ 8:32 pm
The Joker and I gave meaning to the word.
July 7th, 2007 at 8:35 pm
A conservative think tank issued a report titled "The Myth of an al Qaeda Takeover of Iraq." The report says "The notion of al Qaeda using Iraq as a sanctuary is a specter -- a canard that the perpetrators of the current catastrophe use to frighten people into supporting a fatally flawed, and seemingly endless, nation-building debacle." See link....
http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=7353
July 7th, 2007 at 8:37 pmI can make up terms and make up defintions for the terms I just made up too, and then call people that---it is still false and nonsensical.
July 7th, 2007 at 8:53 pmMr. Pee,
July 7th, 2007 at 8:55 pmaccording to your definition of "LEFTIST", 67% of the American people are leftists.
Why was a bin Laden investing in GWB's first oil company? Why was BCCI a major funder of his Harken Energy? Why were the bin Ladens investing in GHWB's Carlyle Group? Why was the US selling massive amouts of weaponry illegally to the terrorist state of Iran while VP GHWB was head of anti-terrorism?
Kerry tried to prosecute those responsible for the BCCI and Iran-Contra crimes.
Why did GHWB send $5 billion in credits illegally to Saddam? Why did Reagan and GHWB strongly fund the fundamentalist Islamists.
Why did GWB give bin Laden an easy exit to Pakistan and then leave him alone the past six years? Why is it all right for Pakistan to have nuclear weapons and fund al Qaeda?
Sounds like your buddies are Islamo-Stalinists a heck of a lot more than Kerry or Clinton or Gore.
Why did Bush constantly give the lie that Iraq was tied to 9/11 and had WMD?
I could go on forever.
July 7th, 2007 at 9:07 pmComment by Keith G. — July 7, 2007 @ 8:55 pm
I wouldn't say that.
Do you have anything to back it up?
July 7th, 2007 at 9:25 pmI could go on forever.
Comment by Keith G. — July 7, 2007 @ 9:07 pm
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That may be, but I take things one question at a time. :)
Why was a bin Laden investing in GWB’s first oil company?
Because some of the bin Ladens and some the Bushes are in the oil biz.
July 7th, 2007 at 9:28 pmFar be it for a bunch of hate-filled metros to "pound me" at anything.
Hate is like drinking poison thinking it will do harm upon your perceived enemy, which in this case is your fellow countrymen.
July 7th, 2007 at 10:27 pmOnly 2 to 4 percent of the combatants in Iraq have been linked to al Qaeda.
Thus, while Sunnis cracking down on this 2 to 4 percent is good, it does not address the sectarian violence occurring between the much larger percentage of Sunnis and Shiites fighting for control of Iraq, and Iraq's oil resources and revenues. Even if all the al Qaeda-linked groups are eliminated, the battle between Sunnis and Shiites will continue for as long as it takes for one of these Iraqi groups to seize power over all of Iraq.
The Kurds? To a large extent they are bystanders. They control a portion of Iraq, but are surrounded by the Turkish and Iranian armies, as well as the Sunnis and Shiites to their south. Until some semblance of stability and overall order is brought to the rest of Iraq, then the Kurd's position is highly tenuous.
July 7th, 2007 at 10:41 pmFrom June 20 to Thursday, 472 civilians died in attacks in Baghdad, a dip of 2 percent from the previous 16-day period, according to a tally collected by the Associated Press from daily reports by Iraqi security and hospital officials.â€
See, Graham expected only a dip of 1% during the same time period, hence his glee at the actual number.
July 8th, 2007 at 12:12 amUnbelievable:
ahhh I didn't accuse you of anything. I did exactly what you asked me to do. I asked you what you meant as your statement was unclear to me. You never answered them.
So here are the questions again:
Are you calling blogs like mudville gazette, blackfive, michael yon, one bored soldier, fourth rail, American Citizen Soldier, sgt Hook, etc propaganda and war mongers?
Are you saying that they are not real soldiers?
Notice I corrected some bad grammar on my part, put the questions in bold and separated them to avoid confusion.
I would apprecated straightforward answers if you can please.
Yes or no would suffice, but feel free to elaborate.
July 8th, 2007 at 1:20 amYES! Finaly, people who will stand up to these authoritarian zealots and tell them where to go. ^^ Lieberman, McCain and Graham.... is there any group of three men that are LESS qualified to.... SPEAK? EVER?!
(Except, of course, Coultergeist, Malkin, and Condi.)
July 8th, 2007 at 3:05 amOK we got 'em on the run. Now let's declare victory, clelebrate Republican courage and fortitude and get our army home!
July 8th, 2007 at 3:50 amWhy was a bin Laden investing in GWB’s first oil company?
Because some of the bin Ladens and some the Bushes are in the oil biz.
Comment by Mr. Pee
There were extremely few investors in GWBush's very small WEST TEXAS oil company Arbusto. Why was one of them a bin Laden, a Saudi Arabian?
Now answer that and all the other questions I gave you (#349). Here's another:
From Prince George's (Maryland) Journal 2-4-03: "George W. Bush's brother (Marvin) was on the board of directors of a company providing electronic security for the World Trade Center, Dulles International Airport and United Airlines (on 9/11/01), according to public records. The company was backed by an investment firm, the Kuwait-American Corp., also linked for years to the Bush family."
http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0204-06.htm
Just another coincidence? Our is our Mr. President an Islamo-Stalist?
July 8th, 2007 at 4:21 amThat should be "Islamo-Stalinist".
July 8th, 2007 at 4:24 am"On the run" is the new "last throes".
July 8th, 2007 at 7:35 amThe 9/11 loons show their true colors. Please ask your POTUS candidates [with cameras rolling] all about your kookspiracies every chance you get. Please.
July 8th, 2007 at 7:42 amNotice that he manages to mention AQ twice in a brief statement - this is clearly the latest pro-war tactic. Rove probably sent out a memo a month ago to mention AQ in every statement on Iraq.
The media was playing along, but its nice to see the NYT at least has noticed.
July 8th, 2007 at 9:41 am#1 Douchebag...thats me!
July 8th, 2007 at 12:43 pmI suppose Iran-Contra was another "kookspiracy"? Didn't really happen? I suppose every reason for the latest war was not a lie---just "failed intelligence".
I suppose if 9/11 had happened under Bill or Hillary, you cons would not criticize them at all---that would be unAmerican!
July 8th, 2007 at 1:04 pmIs it a "kookspiracy" that bin Laden and his men have been sitting in Pakistan for the past 6 years, left alone by Bush and his good buddy General Pervez Musharraf? Is it a kookspiracy that Pakistan actually HAS nuclear weapons and has funded Islamo-Stalinists for decades?
July 8th, 2007 at 1:15 pmYes, you're posting kooky stuff Keith. Please act out at dem candidate POTUS events [w/cameras present and rolling]. Please.
July 8th, 2007 at 1:17 pmWhat did I say that is false?
July 8th, 2007 at 1:19 pmWill somebody please tell me something I said that is false? You know--- like "Saddam is trying to acquire yellowcake from Africa".
July 8th, 2007 at 1:25 pmWill Toliver please tell me what I said that is false?
July 8th, 2007 at 1:26 pmWhere's the 500 tons (one million pounds) that Bush said Saddam had? Is Bush kooky, Toliver?
July 8th, 2007 at 1:28 pmF*ck eyerack, I ain’t fightin’ no sand monkeys. That’s what the army is for moron. Their job is to fight FOR ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
July 8th, 2007 at 1:37 pmComment by Mr. President — June 6, 2007 @ 10:04 pm
Toliver, would it be "kooky" to say that PNAC wrote that the USA should take control of the Middle East because of its oil and natural gas, but that it would take "A New Pearl Harbor" for the American people to go along? Would I be kooky to write that? You know who was in PNAC at the time?
July 8th, 2007 at 1:41 pmToliver, I have given you 30 minutes to name something I said that was false. Guess you cannot. Goodbye.
July 8th, 2007 at 1:47 pmSaddam did pursue YC from Africa in 1999. Joe Wilson confirmed that, but he came home and publicly lied about what he reported to CIA privately [it's all in the Senate report on the subject]. Expand your knowledge base. You repeat talking points you know little of.
What am I saying? Disregard the above. Please take your kook theories and confront your POTUS candidates where cameras are present.
July 8th, 2007 at 1:54 pmKeith,
Be advised that I don't sit by my computer waiting for your latest tripe.
July 8th, 2007 at 1:56 pmSen. Graham is out of touch with the reality on the ground in Iraq. Senators McCain, and Lieberman, Bush, and Cheney are all in denial. They can't admit how wrong they have been about the idea of nation building and how dangerous it has made us due to their disastrous policy. Bush's foreign policy in Iraq is a colossal failure. The surge has also failed. Bush knows how to start wars, but he doesn't know how to plan for them, how to manage them or how to end them. In short he has no plan. Just like the Vietnam war we have leaders who are not willing to admit that they have been wrong from the beginning.
July 8th, 2007 at 5:16 pmIf it is such tripe, why can't you name one thing I said that is false?
Condi Rice and George Tenet and the entire CIA all said that Bush's statement that Iraq was trying to obtain uranium from Africa in the SOTU was FALSE! Tenet had insisted that it be taken out of previous speeches because it was false. But Condi lied and said the sixteen words somehow inserted themselves back into the speech because only people "down in the bowels" of the administration knew that it was FALSE. Now Toliver says it is not false.
The next line in the SOTU about the aluminum tubes was also known to be FALSE eleven months previously.
The "500 tons of sarin, mustard and VX nerve agent" was a lie.
The "26,000 liters of anthrax" was a lie.
The "38,000 liters of botulinum toxin" was a lie.
The "30,000 munitions capable of delivering chemical agents" was a lie.
The fleet of drones was a lie. The mobile weapons labs was a lie. The shack in the North was a lie. The meeting in Prague was a lie. The ties to al Qaeda was a lie.
The Downing Street Memos said that the policy of invasion was set in June 2002 and all the "facts" would be made to fit that policy. Neither the US nor Britain denied the authenticity of the Downing Street Memos.
July 8th, 2007 at 5:21 pmBush's statement that "Saddam refused to let the inspectors back in" was a lie.
July 8th, 2007 at 5:24 pmFor me to say:
"George W. Bush's brother (Marvin) was on the board of directors of a company providing electronic security for the World Trade Center, Dulles International Airport and United Airlines (on 9-11-01), according to public records. The company was backed by an investment firm, the Kuwait-American Corp., also linked for years to the Bush family."
is not a kooky theory, but the absolute truth. Evidently, it is in public records!!!
July 8th, 2007 at 5:28 pmWhy don't we demand that journalists tell us who forged the Niger Documents? Now that's a real kooky idea! Somebody forged them. Documents don't forge themselves. Just like sixteen words don't insert themselves into a speech. Someone has to put those words in a speech!! Kooky?
July 8th, 2007 at 5:32 pmGraham is a fool.
July 8th, 2007 at 10:23 pm#35
Comment by unbelievable — July 7, 2007 @ 10:53 am
And some of us have family members SERVING in the military in Iraq. The whole truth is not been given in this blog.
July 8th, 2007 at 11:48 pmRead what Wilson told CIA regarding YC.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A39834-2004Jul9.html?referrer=emailarticle
The list of weps noted by Keith were largly unaccounted for. Bill Clinton is on record saying much the same thing.
Here's an oldie but goodie:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNgaVtVaiJE
And here's a good site [one of many] that utterly debunks the 9/11 kookspiracies that Keith seems to subscribe to.
NEWS FLASH:
NASA landed on the moon.
July 9th, 2007 at 7:46 amWhoops! Here's the 9/11 site:
http://www.debunking911.com/
July 9th, 2007 at 7:47 amWow, he must have had pretty low expectations. Like inverse expectations or something.
July 9th, 2007 at 12:34 pmSaddam turned over about 20,000 pages of documents that accurately explained how all materials were either destroyed by him or the weapons inspectors. Bush said he was lying and invaded anyway.
I did not give any kooky theories on 9/11. I only gave one fact. Here are more:
Bush gave at least two lies about 9/11. He said he did not know about the first plane hitting the building before he went into the school. He said he saw tv footage of the first plane hitting the building while inside the school (impossible).
July 9th, 2007 at 2:52 pmToliver,
Don't you think it strange that you are debunking things I never said, but you just think I believe?
July 9th, 2007 at 2:53 pmDebunking 9/11
July 9th, 2007 at 3:29 pmThey cite the Poular Mechanics article for much of the debunking.
One of Popular Mechanics’ lead researchers in the story was Benjamin Chertoff—apparently a cousin of Michael Chertoff, the Homeland Security secretary.
Not proof of a cover up, exactly, but suspicious nonetheless
Lindsey Graham had expectations that thousands would die every day.
July 9th, 2007 at 3:30 pm