Lindsey Graham: Escalation ‘Is Working Beyond My Expectations’
Lindsey Graham: Escalation ‘Is Working Beyond My Expectations’
Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC), returning from a visit this week to Iraq along with his pro-escalation partner Sen. John McCain (R-AZ), offered the following assessment of the situation in Iraq:
“The military part of the surge is working beyond my expectations,” Graham said. “We literally have the enemy on the run. The Sunni part of Iraq has really rejected al-Qaida all over the country. We’re getting more information about al-Qaida operations than we’ve ever received.”
Graham isn’t the only proponent of the military surge who is now desperately spinning reality in order to maintain the U.S. occupation of Iraq. Sen. Joseph Lieberman (I-CT) also contended recently that the escalation has the enemy “on the run.”
Even while parts of Baghdad are calmer today than a few months ago, “the death toll among civilians does not appear to have immediately fallen since the [surge] began. From June 20 to Thursday, 472 civilians died in attacks in Baghdad, a dip of 2 percent from the previous 16-day period, according to a tally collected by the Associated Press from daily reports by Iraqi security and hospital officials.”
As the events in Iraq have demonstrated time and again over the past four years, temporary lulls are always followed by greater spikes in violence. Today, for instance, Reuters reports from Baghdad:
Car bombs and mortar attacks killed 50 people in Iraq, police and local officials said on Saturday, while the U.S. military said six of its soldiers had been killed in the past two days. … The fresh violence follows a lull in Iraq, where tens of thousands of U.S. and Iraqi troops are on the offensive against insurgents in a bid to halt a slide into sectarian civil war.
In his last trip to Iraq, Graham offered this sign of success in Iraq. “We went to the market and were just really warmly welcomed. I bought five rugs for five bucks. And people were engaging,” he said. His comedic analysis was wrong then, and it’s wrong now.
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Mine, too! Bush will be in single digits by September!
July 7th, 2007 at 10:32 amOf course the enemy is on the run, they always fade into the woodwork when confronted by a larger force. Problem is it is like playing a country wide game of whack-a-mole. You push the insurgents and terrorist out of one spot, and they go somewhere else.
July 7th, 2007 at 10:33 amMaybe Graham had set low expectations?
July 7th, 2007 at 10:34 amWell, at least he’s been there. That can’t be said of the people who post here.
July 7th, 2007 at 10:34 amTP: Invested in defeat.
Read the milblogs for the real deal people.
July 7th, 2007 at 10:35 amWell, at least he’s been there. That can’t be said of the people who post here.
Comment by Frank M —
Including yourself, I assume.
July 7th, 2007 at 10:36 am“on the run.â€
The only things on the run are the mouths of those three stooges.
July 7th, 2007 at 10:36 amWell, at least he’s been there.
Accompanied by how much military protection? Did he have the courage to venture outisde the Green Zone? Did he travel around the country?
No wonder rightwingers can’t win wars. They don’t have what it takes: regular contact with reality.
July 7th, 2007 at 10:39 amIf we just spend another trillion, golly…I’m sure things will be less worse!
July 7th, 2007 at 10:39 amAQ is wearing out their welcome in more and more of Iraq. Anbar isn’t safe for them anymore for example.
July 7th, 2007 at 10:39 amEver get the feeling that some “Americans” will support anything that promises to break America’s back once and for all? “Yes, go ahead. You CAN stop that train by butting it with your head.”
We have less to fear from Bin Laden and his gang of murderers.
July 7th, 2007 at 10:40 am#6: Correct, Lora. I’ve never pretended to be an expert on military matters. I listen to experts like the Joint Chiefs of Staff, DoD and politicians who actually visit the warzone.
July 7th, 2007 at 10:41 amWell, at least he’s been there. That can’t be said of the people who post here.
Comment by Frank M
Such as yourself chickenhawk scumbag. And you can rest assured that there was an overwhelming security detail following him so closely that someone else had to wash his hands after lindsey pissed.
July 7th, 2007 at 10:42 am“We literally have the enemy on the run.”
-Lindsey Graham
2001 terrorist attacks worldwide: 124
2006 terrorist attacks worldwide: almost 14,000
Uh-huh, sure Lindsey…
July 7th, 2007 at 10:43 amAQ is wearing out their welcome in more and more of Iraq…
More wishful thinking from the willfully ignorant. The facts:
“No Drop in Iraq Violence Seen Since Troop Build-Up”
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ wp-dyn/ content/ article/ 2007/ 06/ 13/ AR2007061302357.html?hpid=topnews
July 7th, 2007 at 10:43 amWell, at least he’s been there. That can’t be said of the people who post here.
Comment by Frank M
Many of the posters here are Iraq veterans. But why would you care about getting your facts straight. The facts have a liberal bias.
July 7th, 2007 at 10:43 amIf we just spend another trillion, golly…I’m sure things will be less worse!
Comment by War4Sale
If you spend a trillion dollars here and a trillion dollars there, pretty soon you’re talking about real money. (to paraphrase somebody)
July 7th, 2007 at 10:45 amScott Ritter had been there before the war. In fact, he was the chief weapons inspector and he said the WMD claims were bullshit.
I listened to him.
July 7th, 2007 at 10:45 amAl Quaeda is only 8% of the attacks in Iraq. Get rid if them and there’s still a huge problem.
Lindsey Graham is a typical inbred redneck racist cracker Repuke idiot.
July 7th, 2007 at 10:46 amHe’s a Senator, reality is irrelevant.
Nick Kasoff
July 7th, 2007 at 10:46 amThe Thug Report
im convinced! LIARS!
July 7th, 2007 at 10:47 amYep. On the run.
http://news.yahoo.com/ s/ ap/ 20070707/ ap_on_re_mi_ea/ iraq
July 7th, 2007 at 10:47 amComment by TooSexyForMyShirt
Frank M, if you change names after every stupid post you’re going to run out of names.
July 7th, 2007 at 10:48 amshane: I can claim to be a 17 year old bisexual coed, but it doesn’t make me one.
July 7th, 2007 at 10:48 amto #12: why do you keep changing your nick?
This just confirms the common suspicion that most rightwing screechers here are the same few nutjobs, posting repeatedly under multiple nicknames.
I mean, why bother? Does it make you feel better? Do you actually think it changes the fact that you represent a tiny minority of Americans?
More evidence that rightwingers just can’t get a grip on reality.
July 7th, 2007 at 10:48 am“…The surge is working beyond my expectations.” Senator, it is working how, by brutalizing and terrorizing the Iraqi people? 160,000 troops vs. 25 million Iraqis. Does Tennyson’s “into the valley of death” sound familar? But instead of “into the valley of death rode the 600″ it has now become into the valley of death rode the 160,000. A surge will never work because an occupied country will always fight in order to be free of their oppressor [ see the Vietnam War, the French in Algeria, the Soviet Union in Afghanistan, the French in Indochina, the British in Iraq, the British in America during the 18th century, etc.]. Support the troops-bring them home safely-now.
July 7th, 2007 at 10:48 am“I listen to experts like the Joint Chiefs of Staff, DoD and politicians who actually visit the warzone.”
Too bad Chimpy doesn’t.
July 7th, 2007 at 10:48 amThat photo says it all. What idiots! A triumvirate of delusion.
July 7th, 2007 at 10:49 amSomeone please point out to Lindsay Graham that the people who appear to be “on the run” are Iraqis being driven from their homes and headed for Jordan and Syria. The insurgents aren’t running. We have our own tragic body count to prove it. Sen. Graham, our military lost 100 people during the month of June. What exactly was YOUR expectation of the surge that seems to have succeeded beyond YOUR expectatirions.
July 7th, 2007 at 10:50 amTooSexyForMyShirt you will then believe Michael Ware:
He is one of the only mainstream reporters to have lived in Baghdad near-continuously since before the American invasion and he gained early acclaim as one of the few reporters to establish contacts with the Kurdish Peshmerga and the Iraqi insurgency. Ware was one of the first mainstream journalists to report on the severity of the growing opposition Western coalition forces faced in mid-2003, and his contacts have provided him with controversial videotapes of attacks on coalition forces, including the murder of four Blackwater contractors. [1]
Ware is also known for his stark assessments of conditions on the ground and his repudiation of the overly-optimistic assessments sometimes made by politicians. Ware has also been ‘embedded’ with American and British military forces on numerous occasions, and the collation forces have been the focus of many of his reports as he continues to describe conditions on the ground for both military and civilians in Iraq.
July 7th, 2007 at 10:50 amStill running . . .
http://www.alertnet.org/ thenews/ newsdesk/ L07265514.htm
July 7th, 2007 at 10:50 amWell, at least he’s been there. That can’t be said of the people who post here.
Comment by Frank M — July 7, 2007 @ 10:34 am
YOU post here… So that means you just told yourself to STFU. Yes, please listen to yourself this time.
July 7th, 2007 at 10:50 amAQ is not the problem, it is the insurgents who are. The Shia and the Sunni want AQ out so they get back to the serious business of killing each other and the occupying forces. The insurgents outnumber AQ by 19 to 1.
July 7th, 2007 at 10:50 amComment by shane — July 7, 2007 @ 10:48 am
Hi, shane. If you haven’t already checked them out (and I know that someone has) Jane put some more pictures up on our blog. Unfortunately, there was only one good one of one of the kittens (webcam on laptop didn’t come out well). But she does have some of our others up there.
My advice: Ignore the acerebralist trolls.
July 7th, 2007 at 10:51 amLindsey Graham, an embarassment to white men every where. But the Troll Patrol (thanks lurking lady) is defending him.
And whil AQ is wearing out its welcome, I’m pretty sure the United States wore out its welcome some time ago. Of course it’s too dangerous for a reporter to ask the citizens how they feel so we’ll just have to take Bushco’s word for it all.
July 7th, 2007 at 10:52 amRead the milblogs for the real deal people.
Comment by Toliver — July 7, 2007 @ 10:35 am
You mean the propaganda blogs? No thanks. Real soldiers post here from time to time and fill us in. Also, many people here have family members in Iraq, so we know the truth - not they lie you war-mongers wish us to believe.
July 7th, 2007 at 10:53 amMaybe it’s just me, but Joe Lieberman looks like he’s just standing in the background making farty noises with his mouth.
It would be nice if the three particular people in the picture spent a little more time in our reality. Makes me wonder about the people who voted them into office.
July 7th, 2007 at 10:53 amI hope that treason is still a crime punishable by death. We need to be sure
July 7th, 2007 at 10:54 am“al-Qaida is on the run”
Even if this is true, which I doubt, so what. Even our military estimates that al-Qaida is only about 2-5% of the fighters in Iraq. So what if they are on the run. If they left Iraq entirely, Iraq would still be in the middle of a civil war and Iraqi insurgents would still be killing Americans.
Why don’t these people get it. The Iraqi’s don’t want us in their country and they certainly don’t want us to steal their oil. They are doing what we would be doing if some foreign country had invaded the USA and was now occupying our country trying to steal our natural resources.
In the end, it really doesn’t matter what these fools have to say. We believe what we see and what we see is chaos that hasn’t changed much.
July 7th, 2007 at 10:54 amComment by TooSexyForMyShirt
Frank M, if you change names after every stupid post you’re going to run out of names.
Comment by shane — July 7, 2007 @ 10:48 am
shane: I can claim to be a 17 year old bisexual coed, but it doesn’t make me one.
Comment by Frank M
Uh, WHAT? You answered a post to you with that name, pay attention.
July 7th, 2007 at 10:54 amThe U.S. military surge, Lieberman contended, has the enemy “on the run.â€
Graham said. “We literally have the enemy on the run.
Graham and Lieberman must shop at the “Used Talking Points” store.
(sorry..can’t link things on this strange computer….on vacation)
July 7th, 2007 at 10:55 amhttp://www.swamppolitics.com/ news/ politics/ blog/ 2007/ 06/ by_david_lightman_of_the.html
Two words for you…”Last throes.”
July 7th, 2007 at 10:55 amSure we have the enemy on the run. Two problems with this view:
1. Al Quaeda makes up a small part of the groups fighting in Iraq and attacking our troops. We still have the larger problem of unifying the disparate ethnic/religious groups in the country. The Iraqi legislature is on the verge of collapse, Iraqi police and military forces are ill trained/equipped as well as riddled with sectarian militia members. There seems to be no indication that the sectarian groups are going to put together a viable government. Thus, we can defeat AQ and still have an unstable country that continues in a civil war with a good chance of becoming a client state for Iran.
2. The US blew its chance to truly pacify Iraq in the immediate aftermath of Saddam’s fall. Instead of restoring law and order, the US had insufficient US troops and failed to use Iraqi military troops to restore order. Unemployed military troops and civil servants joined the insurgency. US military power was not feared because it failed to intervene. Insurgent attacks on US troops grew. Now we can add additional troops for the surge to pacify small areas. The violence merely shifts. It would take a massive military effort to attempt to subdue the entire country at this point,
July 7th, 2007 at 10:56 amshane: that was a reply to your post #16.
July 7th, 2007 at 10:56 amInstead of “Huckleberry” we should dub him “Whack-a-Mole”, since that is what he wittnessed.
July 7th, 2007 at 10:57 amAQ is wearing out their welcome in more and more of Iraq. Anbar isn’t safe for them anymore for example.
Comment by Toliver — July 7, 2007 @ 10:39 am
You mean the US is wearing out their welcome?
New Poll: 71 Percent Of Iraqis Want U.S. Forces To Withdraw Within A Year
http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/27/iraqis-poll/
July 7th, 2007 at 10:59 am“AQ is wearing out their welcome in more and more of Iraq. Anbar isn’t safe for them anymore for example.”
AQ was never welcome in Iraq, they were merely tolerated. As long as AQ killed Americans the Iraqi’s didn’t care if they were in their country (a place they were not before we invaded Iraq). The day we leave Iraq you can be sure that the Iraqi’s will kick anyone suspected of being AQ. The problem is that many of the people our government is defining as AQ are not really AQ. It’s Bush’s latest talking point to call everyone who is fighting us in Iraq AQ and I’m sure the other lemming Republics will do the same.
July 7th, 2007 at 11:00 amThat photo says it all. What idiots! A triumvirate of delusion.
Comment by W.Clements
And a “Confederacy of Dunces”.
July 7th, 2007 at 11:01 amThis coming from a sob who helped take away habeus corpus.
July 7th, 2007 at 11:02 amNew Poll: 71 Percent Of Iraqis Want U.S. Forces To Withdraw Within A Year
Comment by unbelievable — July 7, 2007 @ 10:59 am
I’d love to hear the war supporters explain why the Iraqi people want us to set up a timeline for withdrawal (like Nixon did from Vietnam), if timelines are the worst thing you could do. Their inconsistency makes their defense of this war laughable.
July 7th, 2007 at 11:02 am“Correct, Lora. I’ve never pretended to be an expert on military matters. I listen to experts like the Joint Chiefs of Staff, DoD and politicians who actually visit the warzone.
Comment by TooSexyForMyShirt”
You listen to all the hand picked Bush flunkys. Anyone who disagreed with Bush’s view of Iraq has been fired or ‘retired’. How about you listen to the Generals who were in Iraq who no longer are in the military and can speak freely. Then balance those view with those of Bush’s flunkies and maybe you might get a clear picture.
Lemming Republics will believe any bullshit the Bush Crime Family feeds to them. Fortunately the American public has awakened from their deep sleep and no longer believe what they hear from Bush & Company.
July 7th, 2007 at 11:03 amThe Bushie “Solution” in a nutshell.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2iVaHFTS128
July 7th, 2007 at 11:03 amSouth Carolina should be ashamed of itself.
You voted for a male with the name “Lindsey” ?
And he spews this type of blatant bullshit ?
And Southerners wonder why they aren’t thought of as being synonymous with intelligence ……………
July 7th, 2007 at 11:04 amFrank M. a.k.a. toosexyformyshirt, a simple question: why do you post under multiple nicks? Does it boost your wounded ego? Do you think it makes you look smarter? Do you think it fools people into thinking our Iraq strategy is a success?
In ANY of those cases, you are transparently delusional sap.
July 7th, 2007 at 11:04 amMy advice: Ignore the acerebralist trolls.
Comment by Wayne A. Schneider
All the cats are just beautiful. Ignoring them seems the only answer, I will try harder.
July 7th, 2007 at 11:07 amHey, it’s fun and good for the show.
July 7th, 2007 at 11:08 amComment by Katie — July 7, 2007 @ 11:03 am
Good point, Katie. They’re willing to listen to politicians who go around wearing flak jackets and accompanied by heavily armed soldiers (with air support, no less), DoD personnel whose jobs depend on them supporting this president (right or wrong, even though he’s mostly wrong), and JCS appointees chosen not for their military competence but for their willingness to support whatever Chimpy McFlightsuit (I love that one) tells them to support, no matter how silly.
It’s sad when people want to get their advice from people who love their president more than they love their country.
July 7th, 2007 at 11:08 amTheir inconsistency makes their defense of this war laughable.
Comment by Wayne A. Schneider — July 7, 2007 @ 11:02 am
I was trying to figure out the other day in what area they aren’t inconsistent hypocrites?
I couldn’t come up with anything.
Pro-Life claim, but anti-all-life-except-unborn-fetuses-and-their-own-spawn reality
“Good Christian” claim, but CINO reality
Family-oriented claim, but anti-all-families-except-their-own reality
July 7th, 2007 at 11:08 am“at least i’ve been there” to the grand canyon and it’s filling up nicely, won’t be long now till the condo’s arrive.
July 7th, 2007 at 11:09 amshane: that was a reply to your post #16.
Comment by Frank M
If you were trying to be funny, well it wasn’t.
July 7th, 2007 at 11:12 amLiberals are definitely invested in defeat!
July 7th, 2007 at 11:13 amFrank M.: Hey, it’s fun…
Frank M enjoys getting humiliated here daily? Happy to oblige, doughbrain!
You still haven’t told us why you use multiple nicks here, ya delusional wackjob.
July 7th, 2007 at 11:14 amComment by unbelievable — July 7, 2007 @ 11:08 am
They are adhering to the neo-conservative philosophy with a vengeance, and that philosophy dictates that the truth is irrelevant to any discussion. They also have a “win at all cost”-mentality, so stooping to lies and misinformation to win over support for their agenda is, in their eyes, perfectly acceptable strategy. In fact, they would happily blame the ignorant people who listen to them for being stupid, so long as the stupid people support them. It’s amazing.
But question their IQs and they get really defensive. It is truly laughable. They denounce intellectual arguments because they can’t win them using the truth, and then they spew lies and misinformation to the public and try to claim that public support for their position “proves” they’re right.
July 7th, 2007 at 11:14 amAC: I just told you. It’s fun and good for the show.
July 7th, 2007 at 11:15 amHey, it’s fun and good for the show.
Comment by Frank M
Being intelligent is “good for the show”. Maybe you can be a better actor than comedian.
July 7th, 2007 at 11:16 amLiberals are definitely invested in defeat!
Comment by veritas — July 7, 2007 @ 11:13 am
LOL. The way this war is being managed, it looks like that’s where the money is! :D
July 7th, 2007 at 11:16 amWayne: An excellent summary.
July 7th, 2007 at 11:16 amComment by Wayne A. Schneider — July 7, 2007 @ 11:14 am
I was flipping channels and saw a Democratic strategist on Lou Dobbs. I didn’t catch the guy’s name, but he was slamming the Republican counter-part they had on the show. He called him out on all his tired old talking points, offering the truth in return, and it was EXACTLY what we’ve been calling for from the Democrats.
If they keep this approach up, Obama could very well be the first black President of the United States…
July 7th, 2007 at 11:22 amIt’s fun and good for the show.
Don’t you ever get tired of making an ass of yourself? Post after post demonstrates that you are ill-informed, can’t form a sound argument, and have no understanding of democracy, and are poorly socialized. As trolls go, you no challenge, just a tedious whiner. You’re not really “good for the show.” You are much too boring.
July 7th, 2007 at 11:22 amLindsay, you dumbass. The reason the enemy is on the run is they are in a hurry to get down the road to set up the next IED to take out a few more of our troops.
July 7th, 2007 at 11:30 amdid they pay for the trip out of their own pockets? if not, there needs to be some reimbursement going on…..
July 7th, 2007 at 11:31 amLOWERED EXPECTATIONS…….
July 7th, 2007 at 11:32 amAC: You’ve clearly no idea what the art of trolling involves…
Post after post demonstrates that you are ill-informed, can’t form a sound argument, and have no understanding of democracy, and are poorly socialized. As trolls go, you no challenge, just a tedious whiner. You’re not really “good for the show.â€
And thank you for that evaluation of Frank M. You just told me that this character has been a total success. A somewhat abrasive male character in his thirties, below average IQ, who irrationally fears muslims and can’t really engage in a debate without sticking to talking points. Not really a gutter troll, like MAF54 was, but not in the same class as the more highbrow characters I’m currently running. A boring character, yes, but they can’t all be witty and smart.
But I guess it’s time to retire the good old Frank M.
July 7th, 2007 at 11:39 am“AQ is wearing out their welcome in more and more of Iraq. Anbar isn’t safe for them anymore for example.”
Al Qaida make up only a tiny percentage of the insurgents in Iraq, as acknowledged repeatedly by the military commanders on the ground.
July 7th, 2007 at 11:39 amNice to see Republicans continue to self-destruct.
So long, Republican party.
July 7th, 2007 at 11:41 amOk I was just going to read and keep my mouth shut but this comment by Unbelievable sucked me in.
Are you calling blogs like mudville gazette, blackfive, michael yon, one bored soldier, fourth rail, American Citizen Soldier, sgt Hook, etc are propaganda and war mongers?
are you saying that they are not real soldiers?
July 7th, 2007 at 11:48 am(yes I know Michael Yon and Bill Roggio are reporters)
Maybe I misunderstood your comment.
Frank M: If trolling is “an art,” then so is crapping in public. Get a life, dumbass.
July 7th, 2007 at 11:49 amComment by unbelievable — July 7, 2007 @ 11:22 am
As I tried to say earlier but my post wouldn’t show, the modern conservative movement (identifiable by their hatred of anything associated with FDR’s social programs) has managed to get the idea of “balance” to replace the ideal of “objectivity” in the news. They feel that if you;re not hearing both sides of the story, then you’re not hearing enough of the story. This is false reasoning, of course. If a news report shows details of corruption (including documents and comments from participants) in government, is it necessary to air the corrupt official’s denials, when it’s obvious he’s lying?
July 7th, 2007 at 11:51 am> Read the milblogs for the real deal people.
I’m sure that the military doesnt ever read its soldiers blogs or decide to censor those who disagree with the US foreign policy that put them in the place they are at…
July 7th, 2007 at 11:53 amMaybe I misunderstood your comment.
Comment by the ugly american — July 7, 2007 @ 11:48 am
Typical… Instead of jumping to outrageous conclusions, why can’t you cons actually ask people what they mean? Nowhere did I say those people weren’t real. Nowhere. Yet you think it’s acceptable to say that I did, so you can attack a strawman? You people are really pathetic.
July 7th, 2007 at 12:01 pm1. The troops are still in the early stages of the “Surgeâ€, and don’t deserve to be kicked yet again.
2. Beyond immigration stupidity, where exactly has the president been so horrible? It is a huge issue in itself, I don’t deny that, but I hope you aren’t folding like a cheap suit about the WOT just because you’re pissed about one issue.
I do NOT support his blind-spot endorsement of the immigration farce, but I still respect his backbone on the War, the reduction of our taxes, his anti-abortion stance, etc. People are getting ALL of their emotions wrapped up around the Amnesty that they’re dragging everything else into it.
July 7th, 2007 at 12:04 pmOur Troops on the field of battle deserve our unwavering support for both them and their mission.
To offer anything less is a disgrace of the highest order.
I think it is time for the folks in uniform , from the highest rank to the lowest , to stand up and speak out AGAINST these
ill informed , self absorbed politicians and political leaders
that are questioning their mission.
Tell it like it is guys !
July 7th, 2007 at 12:05 pmI agree, with the mission, we should stay the course until we WIN. Unfortunately we have too few people in the senate and the house who have never put their lives in harms way for this country. They “serveâ€, yep, safely behind barriers of concrete, are driven to work in heavy suvs. “Visit our troops under heavy guard. Receives a salary and perks which far exceed our members of the military.
AND NOW, they want us to pull out of Iraq, just like we did in Vietnam. We have just begun to purge the Iraqi citizens of their terrorcompliment and our elected servants want us to bring the troops home. It’s insane! Our military needs to WIN.
July 7th, 2007 at 12:06 pmGraham..Escalation is working beyond my EXPECTATIONS’….!!
Now can Senator Graham tell us what his expectations are ?!!
10,000 Iraqis are killed monthly
Last month June was one of the deadliest month in number of US & British soldiers killed and injured.
Iraqi government have no control over it own territory and people,and is getting weaker everyday.
What are Graham expectations?!!
Mr. Graham, just because you were able to go and buy a rug in the market escorted by good number of US soldiers and armored carriers…that does not mean that Iraq is enjoying any peaceful time as you did.
July 7th, 2007 at 12:06 pmIf things were great, then why are we still in IRAQ…. when no WMDS were found in Iraq,and no Saddam still alive in Iraq…?!!
Didn’t some assclown say several weeks ago the surge wasn’t working before it started and we didn’t have all the troops over there yet? Now the operation has just begun, appears successful so far, and new surrender monkeys step forward. It’s becoming more and more obvious as time and success goes on that all the slime bags that are on the take of Arab (oil) influence and favors will stab their own country in the back just to appease the influence. Apparently, a great many are very nervous about the September success check too. I’m afraid when we elect someone new, all we can do is step back and see whether or not they will sell us and themselves out. I don’t see this as a political topic, even though there are other decisions Bush has made I don’t agree with, this is a case of the security and future of the U.S. and the world war on Radical Islam. Lugar reminds me of that Iraqi who held his white boxer shorts up for the Predator that was acting as a FO for the artillery.
July 7th, 2007 at 12:06 pmThere needs to be more passion on winning this WOT and less passion on rewarding illegal aliens. This could cost us support in Iraq by the American people.
July 7th, 2007 at 12:08 pmComment by Wayne A. Schneider — July 7, 2007 @ 11:51 am
I don’t have a problem with ‘balance’ per say… which FOX Noise isn’t and never has been. :D
I have a problem with people who only see the side to the story (the Congressman lying) that they like and ignore the rest… Which is what FOX plays on… They use tone to imply influence that they have no business injecting. Lou Dobbs and Glenn Beck on CNN are just as bad. I’d say Ed Bradley was the epitome of responsible journalism when presenting balance, because he never let on to which side he leaned toward… Leaving it utterly up to you, the viewer to think it though. People seem to want to be told what to think instead… That bothers me that there’s an audience for such lack of self-esteem.
July 7th, 2007 at 12:08 pmAnyone for a little First Person Shooter game?
July 7th, 2007 at 12:10 pmGreat, now we have a troll pretending to be different people supporting the illegal occupation of Iraq.
Comment by stock pirate — July 7, 2007 @ 12:04 pm
Comment by Jim Thone — July 7, 2007 @ 12:05 pm
Comment by Tilacum — July 7, 2007 @ 12:06 pm
Same manner, same message, same person…
July 7th, 2007 at 12:11 pmSouth Carolina is a trash state. Graham is representative of the population of SC. Iraq is no less violent and the costs of this war are staggering. So they visited Iraq. Every senator has. If this country continues on this course we will be bankrupt economically and morally. No I am not an Iraq vet but I’m a son of a WWII vet who saw extensive combat and told me no one in his right mind goes to war without exhausting all avenues.
July 7th, 2007 at 12:11 pmFunny that all those soldiers who re-upped on the 4th of July do not feel the same way and really shouldn’t they know better than an elite in Washington who is not on the ground.
July 7th, 2007 at 12:12 pmToday Paul Krugman asked what people like George Bush are doing to “sacrifice” for the war effort. That question is answered in a picture: the President of the United States, taking time from his busy schedule, for a little pre-birthday R&R, hanging out at a baseball game. Look at his face. Yeah, that’s the demi-smirk of a man who is worried every day about the tens of thousands of men and women he’s put in a position to get their heads blown off.
But, hey, let’s be thankful for small favors. At least we’re not forced (yet) to go to our town squares to sing “Happy Birthday” to his image on plasma screen TVs, celebrating 61 years of his foul polluting of the earth by his very presence.
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July 7th, 2007 at 12:12 pm…but I still respect his backbone on the War, the reduction of our taxes, his anti-abortion stance…
Comment by stock pirate — July 7, 2007 @ 12:04 pm
But…
What you see as “backbone”, we see as a stubborn refusal to accept reality, possibly indicative of a mental disorder;
What you see as a “reduction of our taxes”, we see as an enormous burden on future generations with all the money we’re borrowing (especially from countries not very friendly to us), and to say “our taxes” suggests that you are mroe well-off than most people;
What you see as “his anti-abortion stance”, we see as hypocisy because he bases this “belief” on the idea that “all life is sacred”, yet he enthuisiastically supports the use of capital punishment (so he must not mean “all” life.)
July 7th, 2007 at 12:13 pmIn an abstract sense, I think the majority of people in the country would like to see us carry things in Iraq through to a satisfactory conclusion.
In the practical sense, I think the majority of people have come to doubt both the competency and even the desire of the American political leadership to accomplish this goal. This applies largely to the executive branch, but also to the Congressional leadership of both parties.
Virtually nobody in DC appears to committed to success in Iraq. Given that reality, a staged withdrawal looks like the best option available.
July 7th, 2007 at 12:13 pmthis war MUST be won and a pullout will prove what the Islamist’s have known for years that we are a “paper tiger†and for that we will pay a heavy price in years to come. The military if given the freedom to do what it does best “break shit†would win this war in months however the “hearts and minds†pc crowd has never allowed that to occur, we should never get in the habit of fixing a country until we have demolished it and Germany and Japan are proof of that.
July 7th, 2007 at 12:15 pmJon,
I agree that most people would like some sort of victory. In a sense, we have achieved that. It has been almost 7 years without a successful terrorist attack on US soil. Although I am not a Bush backer, it is he who deserves the lion’s share of credit for that.
July 7th, 2007 at 12:16 pmComment by unbelievable — July 7, 2007 @ 12:08 pm
But, unbelievable, you and I are both old enough to remember a time before cable TV when the general feeling was that “they couldn’t say that on television if it weren’t true”. The problem with “balance” is that often one side is completely wrong and contradictory to the facts. True journalists would point out when a government official is trying to tell the public something that is opposed to the facts, the way Jon Stewart likes to do. I wish more of the MSM would adopt this side-by-side comparison trick to prove the person speaking is not doing so from his mouth, but from somewhere lower on the body.
July 7th, 2007 at 12:18 pmOn supporting this war - it’s won already. What’s our remaining goal(s)?
WMD - check
Odai/Qusay - check
Saddam Hussein - check
Zarqawi - check
Elections - check
Democracy? They have a new constitution - not based on our values, but theirs - namely shariah. Under this set-up, Chaldeans and Assyrian Christians are fleeing to (of all places) Syria (while the US plans to take in 7000 Iraqi Muslim refugees). Which of them - Shia or Sunni - are pro-US? Shia? They are mainly supporting Iran and Hizbullah. Sunni? They are either supporting Saddam’s Baathists, or Zarqawi’s al Qaeda. Kurds? Sure, they are the most grateful of the lot, but we aren’t supporting a separate Kurdistan. So which of the people who we are trying to support actually deserves it?
And once again - what’s our mission _now_? Resolving whether Mohammed’s rightful successor was Umar or Ali? If there is a civil war between pro-Hizbullah Shia and pro-Ikhwan Sunni, whose side should we pick? Should we even stop such a fight, were it to break out?
Remember the 80’s war between Iran and Iraq? Did we end up any worse off due to millions of fanatics on both sides getting killed? Remember the 60’s proxy war between Egypt and Saudi Arabia in Yemen? Was that a good or bad thing for Infidels?
Bottom line - if there is an internecine war between Infidel hating
Muslims and Infidel hating Muslims, why is that a bad thing for Infidels?
If two or more of our enemies are busy destroying each other, why should we even bother stopping them?
Want to know my exit strategy for Iraq? Exit is the strategy. What will
result is a civil war between Shia and Sunni. Initially, it’ll be in Iraq. Then, inshallah, it’ll spread to Saudi Arabia, where the Shia in al Hasa province can rebel. Let all that Saudi cash that funds madrassahs and CAIR in the US be diverted towards containing their restive Shia,
and in the meantime, let Iran’s cash flow to their science project and
Hizbullah be diverted towards encouraging Shia rebellions in Iraq,
Saudi Arabia, Yemen and Bahrein. Once we have these 2 US hating groups at each others throats, we can then keep arming at a low level either side
so that neither gains the upper hand.
Note that we do not have a dog in this fight.
July 7th, 2007 at 12:18 pmWe have an interest in preventing Iranian dominance over Iraq and the Arabian peninsula. That gives us at least one dog in this fight.
July 7th, 2007 at 12:19 pmSaddam is DEAD, how much more of a win do you expect?
Saddam was why we invaded. If he’s dead, then we “won”. Mission Accomplished. Time to declare victory and go home….
July 7th, 2007 at 12:21 pmHow exactly does leveling Iraq, prove anything? Al Qaeda has already stated that the Iraq war has helped polarize the Islamic community, and bring their organization to the forefront. Recruitment is up, the ability to find, willing people to attack the west is up, and Al Qaeda and the fundamentalist Islamic movement are growing at a rapid pace, due to the war in Iraq.
The whole paper tiger, we need to teach em a lesson stuff is for the 4th grade bully, not for international politics.
July 7th, 2007 at 12:21 pmThe trolls are especially dense today–must be the bottom-dwellers of Bush’ “base”. Where anyone could get the idea that anything the Bush has done in the past 6 years could actually prevent a terrorist attack here is beyond me.
July 7th, 2007 at 12:22 pmImagine the circumstances under which a president hillary (spit, vomit, spit) would actually have to take out a nuclear armed Iran. No doubt with a nuke of her own.
Now that would be the irony of all ironies. And yet, she is probably the only one the MSM would let do so.
However, as she already has a 666 tatooed on her ass, I suspect that she would just line us up to see who refuses theirs.
July 7th, 2007 at 12:22 pmfor every 1 troop killed in iraq, 50 die on the highways.
averaage highway deaths per year==48,000
total irag killed to date==approx 3500
July 7th, 2007 at 12:23 pm“this war MUST be won and a pullout will prove what the Islamist’s have known for years that we are a “paper tiger†and for that we will pay a heavy price in years to come.”
If only Reagan hadn’t sold them weapons, we wouldn’t be in this mess. It was then the islamists saw how cowardly and two-faced some Americans were (Reagan), and concluded we were weak.
July 7th, 2007 at 12:23 pmFrankly, the news out of Iraq over the last 3 weeks has been amazingly positive. By all accounts and on all fronts!
- the “hearts and minds†campaign IS working…across virtually the entire country. as a result the regular Iraqis are turning over alQueda baddies with increasing frequency
- speaking of alQueda…they are getting their ASSES KICKED in ever greater numbers
- civilian deaths are down…way down
- our military deaths are stable to slightly down…good news considering that a broad offensive (like we’re engaged in now) puts more troops in direct contact
Those that want us to LOSE in Iraq are getting more and more frantic to either engineer that defeat, or paint a picture of us as having already BEEN defeated!!
Pathetic!
July 7th, 2007 at 12:24 pmWe also have a strong interest in middle east oil, that is worth at least 3 dogs in this particular fight, you thing gas prices are high now, wait until the whole of the middle east is involved in a bloody sectarian war.
July 7th, 2007 at 12:24 pmWell, at least he’s been there. That can’t be said of the people who post here.
Comment by Frank M — July 7, 2007 @ 10:34 am
And a keyboard ranger like you has all the knowledge…sort of like the architects of the war, all those cowards in the PNAC and the drunken AWOL chimpanzee and his five deferment sidekick. All of them including the 101st Keyboard Rangers are chickenshit, chickenhawk, warmongering cowards. Graham, Lieberman, and McCain are all asshats for the military industrial complex and oil companies.
July 7th, 2007 at 12:24 pmaveraage highway deaths per year==48,000
total irag killed to date==approx 3500
Comment by IP727
How many on American highways are killed by IED’s?
Your comparison is weak, just like Reagan’s response to terrorism.
July 7th, 2007 at 12:24 pmor every 1 troop killed in iraq, 50 die on the highways.
averaage highway deaths per year==48,000
total irag killed to date==approx 3500
Comment by IP727 — July 7, 2007 @ 12:23 pm
Not really relevant, but thank you for playing. Driving on the highway is not the same as say fighting in a war zone.
July 7th, 2007 at 12:26 pmI wish more of the MSM would adopt this side-by-side comparison trick to prove the person speaking is not doing so from his mouth, but from somewhere lower on the body.
Comment by Wayne A. Schneider — July 7, 2007 @ 12:18 pm
My concern is that there is a fine line between omissions and censorship that I don’t like.
I’d rather have an informed public who can, and who want to figure it out for themselves. I know that’s wishful thinking, but agree that the best alternative is exactly what Jon Stewart did the other day when he did side-by-side comparison of clips, and let the facts sit next to the lies, so that teh truth was obvious.
Sad that out greatest journalists of the year are on Comedy Central… But better there than nowhere :D
July 7th, 2007 at 12:26 pmregardless of whether we had the right or wrong strategy to start, or along the way…we DO have a good strategy NOW!
That strategy, if allowed to run its course, appears to offer us the prospect of being able to leave with:
- alQueda beaten down
- the cycle of violence muted down to, say, Detroit levels
- a reasonably stable government (no worse than Chicago, for example)
All those things and more say we should FINISH the job!!
Go read Michael Yon’s last few dispatches…just read them. We ARE winning!
July 7th, 2007 at 12:27 pmPathetic!
Comment by Justrand — July 7, 2007 @ 12:24 pm
Bullshit is cheap on FAUXNOIZ. Go enlist asswipe.
July 7th, 2007 at 12:27 pm“total irag killed to date==approx 3500″
Comment by IP727 — July 7, 2007 @ 12:23 pm
Don’t you mean “total US Troops killed to date”? Regardless, your statistics prove no point.
July 7th, 2007 at 12:28 pmHas everyone read about Zawrahiri’s new message? Even he KNOWS the insurgency is in big trouble in Iraq.
His message was very desperate. At the end, he thanked FC for his hard work.
Hang on mujihadeen. Hang on FC.
July 7th, 2007 at 12:28 pmImagine the circumstances…
Comment by Judy T — July 7, 2007 @ 12:22 pm
Sorry, Judy T, but just because your imagination frightens you so much is no reason to make up scenarios, “imagine” what will happen, and claim that as a sound basis for an unrelated snipe at Senator Clinton. (One of my senators, and I have already said publicly and to her that I expect her to fulfill the six-year term that she asked us to give her.)
July 7th, 2007 at 12:29 pmI wish more of the MSM would adopt this side-by-side comparison trick to prove the person speaking is not doing so from his mouth, but from somewhere lower on the body.
Comment by Wayne A. Schneider
I agree, Wayne. The whole idea of “fair and balanced” is faulty. It’s not the job of the news to be balanced.
It’s their job to report a story fully and truthfully.
July 7th, 2007 at 12:29 pm92. Comment by Wayne A. Schneider
I agree with Mr. Schneiders assesment of the pirates’ comment. Unfortunately, too few Americans look past their own selfish intrests to the greater needs of the Nation and the World.
Their continuing support of an illegal siezure of assets on foreign soil is testimony to this fact. The pirate has profited from the market heyday this crime created, and therefore he approves of it. It’s that simple. Greed is not a virtue, nor can it be passed off as one to anyone who knows the difference.
Greed is the root of this war. We all know it; some of us say it. Greed and poverty is our national product that we are allowing this administration (and some before it) to export across the globe.
I would suggest that this would be a better nation if we practiced what we preach, rather than paying lip service to the congregation while stuffing our pockets with the collections.
July 7th, 2007 at 12:29 pmActually not only are ‘we’ winning (certainly of late) , but more importantly the iraqi forces (and awakening forces) and citizens are winning. So far, So good but it’s definitely been “Game-On†for the last few weeks, we’ll see in the next few weeks if the enemy can or will adapt, I personally think they’re waiting for the last week in August to start pushing back strongly.
July 7th, 2007 at 12:29 pmHang on mujihadeen. Hang on FC.
Comment by Joker — July 7, 2007 @ 12:28 pm
Get a real life, troll.
July 7th, 2007 at 12:29 pmGo read Michael Yon’s last few dispatches…just read them. We ARE winning!
Comment by Justrand — July 7, 2007 @ 12:27 pm
LOL I have heard that over and over for the last 4+ years. Please give it a rest. we could have won already, had we continued going after Osama, taken down his organization, and maintained our alliances. Alliances we will need in the coming years to produce an effective way contain the violent extremists.
All of it could have been done without spending trillions to invade Iraq.
July 7th, 2007 at 12:30 pmWe have an interest in preventing Iranian dominance over Iraq and the Arabian peninsula. That gives us at least one dog in this fight.
Comment by Jon Bandor — July 7, 2007 @ 12:19 pm
We toppled the major force preventing Iranian dominance over Iraq…Saddam Hussein. Remember the Iran-Iraq War.
The Shiites are the majority in Iraq, and in the Iraqi Govt. Iran provided sanctuary for many of them, when Saddam was in power.
July 7th, 2007 at 12:30 pmIran has better relations with the Iraqi Govt. than America does, as well they should considering the long border between Iran and Iraq.
we have actually reached the point that we should want. We have Muslims turning on Al Queda and they are taking care of the problem.
I guess the reality of the utopian Wahabist state isn’t all it’s cracked up to be.
Too bad some “trust fund anarchists†running around in their Che’ t-shirts can’t learn the same lesson under the same circumstances.
July 7th, 2007 at 12:31 pmI agree, Wayne. The whole idea of “fair and balanced†is faulty. It’s not the job of the news to be balanced.
It’s their job to report a story fully and truthfully.
Comment by Zooey
Thats a good point. It is as if they imply that there are two spin sides to every story rather than one underlying truth.
July 7th, 2007 at 12:31 pmaveraage highway deaths per year==48,000
total irag killed to date==approx 3500
Comment by IP727
Well, now that you put that way, who cares!?
July 7th, 2007 at 12:31 pmWhat’s on the tee vee…..?
/sarcasm
Comment by Infidel Pride — July 7, 2007 @ 12:18 pm
Your response was much better than mine. :D
Excellent points!
July 7th, 2007 at 12:31 pm“That strategy, if allowed to run its course, appears to offer us the prospect of being able to leave with”
Where have we heard that one before? Oh, yeah; when we invaded we heard lots of suppositions and saw many grand visions conjured by the neocons - and it all turned to shit. At this late date, only a Bush cultist would still think this civil war can be “won.”
July 7th, 2007 at 12:32 pm#103: for every 1 troop killed in iraq, 50 die on the highways.
IP727 sez: dead GIs don’t matter until they number >48,000.
Nice to see where your moral compass points, you subhuman soulless filth.
July 7th, 2007 at 12:33 pmAlthough I can understand any desire to separate one’s self politically from President Bush, I do think it is premature at this juncture to jump ship. General P’s reports are due in a couple of months. Instead of giving Dems more to be delighted with, can we not wait for the General’s reports on what is happening?
July 7th, 2007 at 12:33 pmMost of the republicans are worried about re-election. Jumping ship means they are more concerned with distancing themselves from the kryptonite Bush has become, to pander to the increasing number of Americans who are upset with what is happening in Iraq.
July 7th, 2007 at 12:35 pmComment by Infidel Pride — July 7, 2007 @ 12:18 pm
Well said.
July 7th, 2007 at 12:36 pmThe alQueda types are being turned in by those fed up with their tactics.
The alQueda types are feeling an ordinance crunch, as we focus on Iran (at least a little more) and they run out of stocks
The Sunnis & Shias are realizing that we ARE gonna leave…and that they had better stop the revenge BS or they will have to live in total hell
alSadr is beginning to realize that we just might cap his ass after all!
etc…
If a DEMOCRAT was in the White House they MSM would be trumpeting our victories…and demoralizing the enemy. Instead they are hell bent on doing just the opposite!!
July 7th, 2007 at 12:36 pm…..can we not wait for the General’s reports on what is happening?
Comment by beej — July 7, 2007 @ 12:33 pm
The General has already stated that there will be nothing of significance in his September report.
Do try to keep up…..
July 7th, 2007 at 12:36 pmComment by beej — July 7, 2007 @ 12:33 pm
Do you really think that the only general who would agree with the drunken AWOL coward on the surge will give an honest assessment in September? If you do, I have some ocean front property in the Mojave Desert I would like to sell you.
Nobody who gives honest assessments to the idiot in the WH is still employed. Get a grip, troll.
July 7th, 2007 at 12:37 pmWe have an interest in preventing Iranian dominance over Iraq and the Arabian peninsula. That gives us at least one dog in this fight.
Comment by Jon Bandor — July 7, 2007 @ 12:19 pm
Well, maybe we shouldn’t have overthrown their democratically-elected government in the ’50s?
July 7th, 2007 at 12:37 pmInstead of giving Dems more to be delighted with, can we not wait for the General’s reports on what is happening?
Comment by beej
And at this point, you would believe whatever he said, because of what? Because he is made out to be a savior or because he is a General?
You wouldn’t think A Senator would lie either, would you? Or a President, for that matter.
July 7th, 2007 at 12:37 pmI do believe we are winning now and that real progress has been made. However, I do not believe Iraq is going to resemble a free and peaceful democratic republic anytime soon, and to believe so is wishful thinking. Ultimately it has to be transferred over to the Iraqis, while the U.S. maintains a background military presence.
What we have to focus on right now is squashing al Qaeda like a bug, which is what we are finally doing.
July 7th, 2007 at 12:37 pmIf a DEMOCRAT was in the White House they MSM would be trumpeting our victories…and demoralizing the enemy. Instead they are hell bent on doing just the opposite!!
Comment by Justrand
Bullshit.
If a Democrat were in the WH on 9/11, we wouldn’t even be in Iraq, and
July 7th, 2007 at 12:38 pmWHERE IS OSAMA BIN LADEN?
Are you calling blogs like mudville gazette, blackfive, michael yon, one bored soldier, fourth rail, American Citizen Soldier, sgt Hook, etc are propaganda and war mongers?
Blackfive and micheal yon yes, the others I’m not familiar with. And as a citizen soldier who left Abu Gharaib in May of 06 I just want to say graham is a disgraceflu lying sack of shit.
July 7th, 2007 at 12:38 pmBetter than your expectations ay Lindsey?
Hmmm, 50 Iraqi’s were killed this morning in attacks, that also killed 8 US soldiers.
Guess you didn’t expect much huh?
July 7th, 2007 at 12:38 pmIf a DEMOCRAT was in the White House they MSM would be trumpeting our victories…and demoralizing the enemy. Instead they are hell bent on doing just the opposite!!
Comment by Justrand — July 7, 2007 @ 12:36 pm
If a Democrat was in the White House, we would never have made the greatest military blunder in history and we would not be in Iraq. Get a grip, hero.
July 7th, 2007 at 12:38 pmWe have an interest in preventing Iranian dominance over Iraq
and what would that interest be?
July 7th, 2007 at 12:38 pmas pissed as I have been at Bush at times (and a LOT lately) I thank God we didn’t get stuck with alGore and sKerry.
July 7th, 2007 at 12:38 pmComment by beej
Here’s a prediction: Petreus will say we’re winning, we won’t withdraw, and next year this time, the American body count will be over 5000, the civil war will still be raging, and trolls will still be here, convinced the strategy is working. How many more years must we sacrifice our soldiers for a pipe-dream?
July 7th, 2007 at 12:39 pmas pissed as I have been at Bush at times (and a LOT lately) I thank God we didn’t get stuck with alGore and sKerry.
Comment by Justrand
Please explain why — nearly 3600 dead troops would love to hear it.
July 7th, 2007 at 12:40 pmI’ve got a question.
Anyone look at the picture?
What the hell is Lieberman doing?
Just who does Lieberman think he’s kidding?
July 7th, 2007 at 12:40 pmas pissed as I have been at Bush at times (and a LOT lately) I thank God we didn’t get stuck with alGore and sKerry.
Comment by Justrand — July 7, 2007 @ 12:38 pm
Why didn’t you tell us you are a moron. After six years of the crime family you make some stupid statement like that on a board full of free thinking human beings? Go crawl back in your hole, shit for brains.
July 7th, 2007 at 12:41 pmA poll of who the troops on or off the field, current or former, would favor between George Bush and damn near ANY Democrat would have Bush favored by a mile.
Especially if the Democrat was:
July 7th, 2007 at 12:42 pm- Durbin…he called them Nazis
- Kerry…he called them stupid
- Reid…he called them losers
Comment by Zooey — July 7, 2007 @ 12:29 pm
Comment by willyloman — July 7, 2007 @ 12:31 pm
This has been the ONLY way the conservatives have managed to get as much public support for their positions as they have. By gaining the ability to have their message, however false, error-filled, deceptive, or unconnected-to-reality it is, put forth as a valid point of view, free of rebuttal. I read (probably Brock) that John Stossel’s contract specifically states that no one on that show is allowed to refute anything in his reports. He’s given a free platform from which to launch conservative talking points free of fat-checking and exposure of his hypocisy. And he’s not the only one, there are a lot more of them.
Conservatives simply do not like the fact that the truth is against most of what they say.
July 7th, 2007 at 12:42 pmIt’s just one troll changing names. Look at the successive time stamps…
Later…
July 7th, 2007 at 12:42 pmI thank God we didn’t get stuck with alGore and sKerry.
Comment by Justrand — July 7, 2007 @ 12:38 pm
Why? Al Gore would have given a reasoned and practical assault upon Al Qaeda, and Osama Bin Laden. Going after terror cells, money, and most important working on the next great energy source, so we aren’t funding the very people who are trying to kill us.
So again aside from your rapid hatred why do you thank God Gore or Kerry wasn’t in the White House?
July 7th, 2007 at 12:43 pmKerry Watches Presidential Parade Go By
Jul 6 05:15 PM US/Eastern
By ANDREW MIGA
WASHINGTON (AP) - AP Video Dashed White House ambitions, John Kerry has learned, can be humbling.
The Massachusetts Democrat is the first failed presidential nominee since George McGovern in 1972 to return to his day job in the Senate, surrounded by White House wannabes.
July 7th, 2007 at 12:43 pm#
A poll of who the troops on or off the field, current or former, would favor between George Bush and damn near ANY Democrat would have Bush favored by a mile.
Especially if the Democrat was:
- Durbin…he called them Nazis
- Kerry…he called them stupid
- Reid…he called them losers
Comment by Justrand — July 7, 2007 @ 12:42 pm
Not true, in the last election, the troops were pretty split over who should lead the country. They still are. Many troops may not be happy with the democrats, but damn they are hating Bush and his mob.
July 7th, 2007 at 12:44 pmComment by Justrand — July 7, 2007 @ 12:42 pm
You are truly a lying sack of shit Republican…no doubt about it. Dumber than a rock and gullible has hell. Get all your facts straight from the lard assed, drug addled, gas bag on radio and the FAUXNOIZ channel on TV…book it, if they say it, must be true. I have one for you. GO ENLIST, VERN…YOU MAY LEARN SOME REAL FACTS.
July 7th, 2007 at 12:45 pmYon’s reports from Baqubah are conspicuously ignored by the Dhimmicrats and their apologists on this site. Reid is now insisting we cannot wait until the September report on the Surge. We’ve got to abort this thing before it has a chance of actually succeeding. Success is killing large numbers of insurgents and jihadists while American and Iraqi deaths and casualties decline.
July 7th, 2007 at 12:45 pmAll the troops in the field, and those that believe in them, want is to have the country behind them. Even if it is just for a few more months.
But Reid, Pelosi, et al, are absolutely terrified that we WILL succeed…and so with every single postitive report that surfaces they ratchet up the demand that we quit NOW!
I hate to trivialize the situation, but this analyogy is PERFECT…
The plot of the movie “Major League†is that the owner must ENSURE THAT THE TEAM FAILS…in order to give her complete control.
The Democrats must ensure our “team†fails…in order to give THEM complete control.
July 7th, 2007 at 12:46 pm#142: thank God we didn’t get stuck with alGore
Six months before Bush’s invasion of Iraq, at a speech at the Commonwealth Club, Al Gore warned that unilateral invasion of Iraq would increase terrorism, diminish American influence, and undermine US legitimacy. There is no doubt that if Gore was in the White House, US forces would have concentrated on pursuing Osama bin Laden (remember him, cons?) and the US would not have entered into this quagmire in Iraq.
That, and the budget would be in balance too.
You got a problem with that?
July 7th, 2007 at 12:46 pmI think TP needs to organize some sort of log in, I am tired of one idiot derailing the thread, posting under multiple names, launching attacks, patting themselves on the back etc.
July 7th, 2007 at 12:47 pmStupidiest post of the day:
“Success is killing large numbers of insurgents and jihadists while American and Iraqi deaths and casualties decline.” Comment by RoBear
July 7th, 2007 at 12:48 pmas pissed as I have been at Bush at times (and a LOT lately) I thank God we didn’t get stuck with alGore and sKerry.
Comment by Justrand — July 7, 2007 @ 12:38 pm
What is wrong with you people? Why do you keep claiming that we would be much worse off in Iraq if a Democrat were in the WH? Why do you think we would even be there in the first place? Your comment makes no logical sense.
July 7th, 2007 at 12:48 pm