Right Wing Launches Dishonest, Misinformed Attacks Against Live Earth
Right Wing Launches Dishonest, Misinformed Attacks Against Live Earth
Right now, the Live Earth concert series is ongoing in each of the seven continents. Spearheaded by Vice President Al Gore, the event “marks the beginning of a multi-year campaign…to drive individuals, corporations and governments to take action to solve global warming.”
With more than 2 billion people in 100 countries across the globe expected to tune in, the concerts are “an unprecedented opportunity to ask for the world’s attention long enough to deliver an SOS and then to begin delivering information about the solutions to every single person,” says Gore.
But the right-wing is pushing back against the concerts in an effort to protect the interests of the oil lobby. Leading the charge is the Competitive Enterprise Institute (CEI), a think tank funded by both the oil and auto industries. On MSNBC’s Tucker yesterday, Myron Ebell, the director of energy and global warming policy at CEI, said Gore “makes this stuff up” about global warming and “there is no scientific support for his claims.” Watch it:
After downplaying concerns about global warming, Ebell switched tones and began criticizing the concerts “because they just use too much energy.” In fact, Live Earth organizers worked hard to minimize the energy usage of the entire event.
For example, the Live Earth organizers intentionally organized the concerts in such a way that a minimum of jets would be used. “In the planning stages, all air travel has been put through a rigorous approval process and trips deemed necessary” are being offset through carbon credits and investments in renewable energy, John Picard, leader of the event’s sustainability team, told the Associated Press.
Additionally, “several staffers are dedicated entirely to helping artists minimize the environmental impact of getting to and playing the shows, and each artist is given a ‘Green Handbook’ of touring tips.” In fact, “this is going to be the greenest event of its kind, ever,” according to Gore “The carbon offsets and the innovative practices that are being used to make this a green event, I think, will set the standard for years to come.”
For more on Live Earth, check out Climate Progress’s live blogging of the event.
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Gore doesn’t make stuff up. Myron Ebell makes stuff up. For a living.
July 7th, 2007 at 8:02 pmJust shows everyone how desperate they are these days!! Wow! What self-destructing antics they stoop to in order for the left not to be right! They’d destroy this earth for their own grandchildren. Now that’s pretty pathetic and extremely desperate.
July 7th, 2007 at 8:08 pmAnd all because Cheney’s secret oil meetings concluded with a smear campaign against global warming so their fortunes would continue! Amazing what horrendous stewardship of the environment these neocons have become.
July 7th, 2007 at 8:09 pmThe Concert speaks volumes and speaks for itself. It also provides the support for the Truth about what this administration has done to damage this planet. Any “disinformation campaign” the right launches will become their laughinstock and work totally against them this time.
July 7th, 2007 at 8:10 pmDo you know why this event is making us so mad?
It’s not because of global warming or “oil lobby”.
It’s because the entire event embodies what we absolutely detest in you progressives and the left in general: things like your unlimited smugness, the use of arts and this intolerable drive for community based/oriented politics, sharing and compassion - the stench of weakness is overwhelming.
July 7th, 2007 at 8:10 pm“Gore “makes this stuff up†about global warming and “there is no scientific support for his claims…..”
Oh really. I bet that will come as a surprised to all the published scientists who have done extensive study on the subject and who have come to the conclusion that global warming is not only real, it is a grave threat to the existence of our planet.
A very large majority (I mean huge here) of scientists in the world recognize global warming as a problem. The only “scientists” who don’t think global warming is a threat are the “scientists” employed by the fossil fuel industry and the RNC. They were hired to find global warming to not be a threat so that’s what they will find. It’s pretty much how Bush operates the government. He doesn’t get the answer he likes, he will fire the person who gave him the answer he didn’t like and hire someone else who will give him what he wants.
July 7th, 2007 at 8:12 pmDo you know why this event is making us so mad?
It’s not because of global warming or “oil lobbyâ€.
It’s because the entire event embodies what we absolutely detest in you progressives and the left in general: things like your unlimited smugness, the use of arts and this intolerable drive for community based/oriented politics, sharing and compassion - the stench of weakness is overwhelming.
Comment by AnonGOPer — July 7, 2007 @ 8:10 pm
So, basically, you’re saying your opposition to these concerts has nothing to do with the cause or the event itself; it’s entirely based on partisan antipathy.
How mature.
Oh, wait — I just realized that when you said it was the left’s “intolerable drive for community based/oriented politics, sharing and compassion” that you’re joking. You’re a parody troll. Excellent.
Well done. You had me going there for a minute.
July 7th, 2007 at 8:14 pm“It’s because the entire event embodies what we absolutely detest in you progressives and the left in general: things like your unlimited smugness, the use of arts and this intolerable drive for community based/oriented politics, sharing and compassion - the stench of weakness is overwhelming.”
Hopefully this was said with sarcasm because if it wasn’t, this is one very disturbed human being. Anyone who would truly think that sharing and compassion and a drive towards community is in need of some kind of help.
July 7th, 2007 at 8:15 pmOld, white men throwing self-interested money and doubt around. Sorry guys, time for a new age.
July 7th, 2007 at 8:16 pmI’m not sure if this guy is real or just a funny joke by a regular, but if he’s real, at least he’s honest. Though I laugh at the idea that compassion, community and sharing is somehow weak.
July 7th, 2007 at 8:16 pmDo you know why this event is making us so mad?
It’s not because of global warming or “oil lobbyâ€.
It’s because the entire event embodies what we absolutely detest in you progressives and the left in general: things like your unlimited smugness, the use of arts and this intolerable drive for community based/oriented politics, sharing and compassion - the stench of weakness is overwhelming.
Comment by AnonGOPer
No one is listening to what you have to say and no one cares. Day by day another huge chunk of credibility is lost from your side. The masses have had enough.
July 7th, 2007 at 8:18 pmThese corporate interests should have their own concerts. You know, charge $10,000 a head for a shit kicker hoedown. That’d show Al.
July 7th, 2007 at 8:18 pm“Do you know why this event is making us so mad?”
Who cares what the 23%ers are gumming today? You guys are irrelevant, and becoming more so, daily.
July 7th, 2007 at 8:19 pmWhat I don’t understand is why the right is so dead-set against the wole notion of global warming as a threat.
I mean, it really has nothing to do with political philosophy, does it?
I understand the oil lobby’s interest in pooh-poohing the science, and I understand the partisan push-back against Gore, however childish it may be.
But does that explain why virtually EVERY global warming skeptic is a hard right-winger? Is AnonGOPer’s hilarious caricature in post #5 closer to the mark than a reasonable person would think?
Man, if that’s the case then the right wing is in deeper trouble than we ever imagined.
July 7th, 2007 at 8:20 pm“intolerable drive for community based/oriented politics, sharing and compassion”
WTF? Like being involved in local and regional politics is a bad thing?
July 7th, 2007 at 8:21 pmOh, I forgot. For fascists, it is.
Have you been watching?
Miniblue and I have been switching between Bravo and Sundance since 10:00am. (except for the trip home from Boston - but that’s off topic)
It’s great. I love when the performers speak out.
Melissa Ethridge’s speech was decidedly political, but her message moved me all the same.
Then Al Gore made an apperance. (He was better this afternoon than he was this am)
Miniblue’s observation that this is this generation’s Woodstock was (I think) very astute.
Watch while you blog. It’s great.
:)
July 7th, 2007 at 8:25 pmUntil AnonGOPer returns to confirm or disprove, I’m assuming it’s a parody troll. And a pretty darn good one, so far.
July 7th, 2007 at 8:25 pmThis year is the second warmest on record, so let’s not listen to these reich wing noise makers like Tucker and such who say that global warming is some kind of left wing conspiracy. Al Gore is putting on a great show and he has not asked for a single cent. This show is about awareness. If anyone is against awareness, they are nothing more than ostriches who bury their head in the said. This is our planet and our Mother Earth needs us. These flat earth, mouth breathing, knuckle dragging morons on the right are nothing but wrong.
Save the Planet, it’s the only one that we have.
July 7th, 2007 at 8:28 pmRock on Al. Thanks for the show.
What I don’t understand is why the right is so dead-set against the wole notion of global warming as a threat. It conflict with big business…the greedy corporate thugs put making money before paying a little extra to help prevent further pollution…. they do not give a sh!t about the environment and future just the here and now. And some righties are so extreme, they feel the future does not matter as the rapture will come soon.
July 7th, 2007 at 8:28 pmOld, white men throwing self-interested money and doubt around. Sorry guys, time for a new age.
Comment by rollotomasi
Excellent sentiment. Kinda harks back to the late 60’s/early 70’s well deserved upheaval.
July 7th, 2007 at 8:29 pmOoooh -
Kelly Clarkson is finally gone.
Going to join miniblue for another bit.
:))
July 7th, 2007 at 8:30 pmJeez, how desperate are these fools - blaming Mr Rogers one day, denying the facts behind the live earth concert, all while excusing their leader for both breaking the law, and rewriting laws to suit himself.
All they care about is $$$ and how to get more. They will leave a fortune for their grandchildren, but the earth will pay the price. The future wars over water will be in competition for the wars for oil, but as long as the rich white bastards make their fortunes, they stupidly believe all the harm they do will not be visited upon their progeny as well.
July 7th, 2007 at 8:35 pmOr they don’t care about their heirs — just as they don’t care about their own grandmothers and parents today, with their “screw Medicare” and give big pharma carte blanche.
Repugs are a group of incredibly stupid and/or incredibly greedy and/or incredibly short sighted bastards.
The only “scientists†who don’t think global warming is a threat are the “scientists†employed by the fossil fuel industry and the RNC.
Yes, and you can compare those “scientists” to the doctors who sold their souls to insurance companies as they deny medical claims with the goal of increasing profits for their company.
July 7th, 2007 at 8:37 pmRightwing/Dishonest/Misinformed; three words which always belong together
July 7th, 2007 at 8:38 pm#5 is an excellent parody of a GOPer, but GOPers have become self-parody, so the comment is also an accurate representation of the pathological thinking that has infected the 28 percenters.
July 7th, 2007 at 8:38 pm…the use of arts and this intolerable drive for community based/oriented politics, sharing and compassion…
SIGN ME UP! I am ALL about this!
If this is a bad thing it goes to show what republicans are all about. I am SO proud to be a thinking, feeling, liberal. That’s what the GOP hates about liberals, we think and they espouse a continual line of crap. It’s just too bad that there are so many people out there who can’t think…and sadder that people actually think that sharing and compassion are bad things.
July 7th, 2007 at 8:41 pmthe greedy corporate thugs put making money before paying a little extra to help prevent further pollution…. they do not give a sh!t about the environment and future just the here and now. And some righties are so extreme, they feel the future does not matter as the rapture will come soon.
Comment by had enough — July 7, 2007 @ 8:28 pm
I understand all that, had enough. What I don’t understand is your relatively normal, rank-and-file conservative without a real corporate interest, whose first impulse is to deride and disbelieve. Why? Is the partisan divide so bitter that they oppose anything that they perceive as a “liberal” cause no matter its nature?
I don’t think it will hurt in the long run, as long as we can change directions in terms of the environment in time. The scientific community will begin to recognize that conservatives are not their friends, so that will be another faction that will lean left, and the right wing will see its relevance and influence shrink and shrink and shrink. Some other party will take the place of the GOP, and hopefully they will be true conservatives rather than political opportunists, and a real debate can begin.
July 7th, 2007 at 8:41 pmIt was parody, but that’s the way the most hardcore right wingers think and feel.
They will recoil from any idea of sharing or showing compassion beyond family because they see it as weakness - it’s a dog-eat-dog world for them. They detest the idea of the people having a say in politics, because they’ve already got their Leader. Someone they have a psychological need to support at any cost. Daddy tells them what to think and they stand by the Daddy in order to feel that they are a part of something greater. Community based politics is abhorrent, because it involves sharing and limits the power of Daddy. Arts is infuriating, because they struggle to understand it.
Spend as much time with the Freepers and LGFers as I’ve done (I lurk there just to see what they’re up to) and coming up with something like #5 doesn’t even require thought. It’s obvious. It’s also scary how easy it is to switch into a wingnut emulation mode.
July 7th, 2007 at 8:42 pmIf the repugs were smart and admit that they are on the wrong end of the oil argument, they would join the environmentalists and create new forms of renewable energy, thereby creating jobs, aiding the economy as well as the earth.
July 7th, 2007 at 8:43 pmThey could even pass along their technological skills to third world countries and help them out of starvation.
I know, they would rather start wars that use oil and kill people. I think of how we might avert involvement in future wars if we were more honest and helpful in dealing with others less fortunate - you know, creating good will and practical aid instead of throwing money at dictators who let their people starve, get sick and die.
Comment by trueblue — July 7, 2007 @ 8:25 pm
I am watching, while doing other things as I can. Melissa Etheridge was just great - they all are - but her message was right on point.
I also made a comment about this looking like it might be the 21st century version of Woodstock.
It took years of protests, marches and gatherings like Woodstock and others to finally move the government. That was before the Internet, and before 24/7 news. Let’s hope that after nearly 7 years of Bush&Co, and these last 4+ years of war are enough to create a change.
July 7th, 2007 at 8:47 pmSeems like AnonGOPer is saying that the left is too much about love, compassion and caring. Funny thing, but I thought that these attributes were “family values” and these attributes are also what I thought the Christian church was supposed to be based upon. Funny how apparently the things that Christians are supposed to be all about are what the right-wing detests the most.
July 7th, 2007 at 8:50 pmhttp://www.petitiononline.com/agdgw/petition.html
Sign the petition to see Al Gore defend his claims!!!!!!!!
July 7th, 2007 at 8:52 pmIf Myron Ebell had been saying this on television a few years ago, it would have been unremarked. Saying it now, however, he demonstrates what a tool he is. “No scientific support”? How does anyone say that with a straight face?
July 7th, 2007 at 8:53 pmRock on Al. Thanks for the show.
Comment by dave g — July 7, 2007 @ 8:28 pm
July 7th, 2007 at 8:54 pm——————————————————————–
Hey Al, do you got the doobies?
Who’s got the doobies?
July 7th, 2007 at 8:55 pmWilly: See #28. Regarding your point, the wingnuts don’t really read the Bible that way.
July 7th, 2007 at 8:55 pmThanks AnonGOPer. Like I said, you had me going. And it’s a tribute to your skills (and the weird reality that is GOPerland) that so many of the regulars here took you seriously.
Well done.
July 7th, 2007 at 8:56 pmOn MSNBC’s Tucker yesterday, Myron Ebell, the director of energy and global warming policy at CEI, said Gore “makes this stuff up†about global warming and “there is no scientific support for his claims.â€
Let’s see him say that to David Shuster and not get a, “Let me stop you right there.” Pucker’s a dweeb. Even though he took it off a long time ago, I can see an outline of that silly bow tie near his neck. Like a ghost image.
July 7th, 2007 at 8:56 pmNancy Pelosi has nice tits.
July 7th, 2007 at 8:58 pm“No scientific support� How does anyone say that with a straight face?
Comment by gummitch — July 7, 2007 @ 8:53 pm
Possibly the same way that Stephen Colbert can “spew” (not really) his faux-conservative views with a straight face. Maybe the guy’s got natural comedic talent. He certainly is laughable, that’s for sure. :)
July 7th, 2007 at 8:58 pmEbell: “Global warming is a phenomenon of the left and the left is all about redistributing income”
That’s right, it’s the red menace - the monster under everybody’s bed.
Ebell: “If Live Earth goes off tomorrow as planned, it really should be the last one of these big global jamborees because they just use too much energy.”
Carlson: “Yeah, I am concerned about that as an environmentalist.”
Thanks for your concern, Tucker. I’m sure you’re doing your part today to offset the carbon emissions from your ignorant, lying piehole.
July 7th, 2007 at 8:59 pmMr. Pee is wandering off into the bushes again. Can someone gently guide him back to the proper trail? Otherwise he could get bitten by a rattlesnake and someone would have to suck on his ankle. Eww.
Although, with all those bold exclamation marks he favors, it won’t be too hard to locate him.
July 7th, 2007 at 9:00 pmThe economy under Bush is better than under Clinton.
July 7th, 2007 at 9:01 pmHi Marie,
I was so excited that I typed before I read. Sorry about the Woodstock reference.
You rock!
Actually, the whole world rocked today.
Yay entire world.
We are ALL citizens, like Ms. Ethridge pointed out.
Citizens of this world.
July 7th, 2007 at 9:03 pmWe all need to work together, and come together for the greater good.
Have YOU signed yet?
http://www.petitiononline.com/agdgw/petition.html
Sign the petition to see Al Gore defend his claims!!!!!!!!
July 7th, 2007 at 9:03 pmAl Gore should be tending to his sick son, not going to rock concerts. Shame on him.
July 7th, 2007 at 9:03 pmWhat Republicans really hate is that Gore is a class traitor. How dare a rich southern gentleman diss conspicuous consumption!
That’s why the Troll-spin is all about Gore and not about the Science. The Science is irrefutable. However, if one can instill fear in the other rich white males, responsible action can be put off until it’s too late.
July 7th, 2007 at 9:04 pmThe right wing is finished. And this government of tyrants will soon be on the ash heap of history.
Only the
July 7th, 2007 at 9:06 pmIf the best they can do is to have someone from a right wing think tank associated with oil and auto companies then Gore is standing on much higher ground than people who will lie to make money at the expense of our environment. Gore is not making this stuff up. 2 billion people will be taking part in these concerts. They are doing so because they know that global warming is a real threat. A bunch of suits that work for oil and auto companies are not going to convince the average American that the science is wrong and the notorious oil companies are right. This man can’t have it both ways. On one hand he falsely claims that global warming is not real on the hand he claims that they use too much energy at the concerts. Whether republicans like it or not global warming is real and the science supports it.
July 7th, 2007 at 9:06 pmThe economy under Bush is better than under Clinton.
Comment by Tupe — July 7, 2007 @ 9:01 pm
How ya figure? Under Clinton, growth was more robust, the stock market gained far more, unemployment was lower. Under Clinton, middle class wages rose — under Bush they have shrunk. Under Clinton the poverty rate shrank — under Bush it has grown. Under Clinton, the federal budget achieved a surplus — under Bush that surplus has turned into a huge deficit.
So how ya figure “the economy under Bush id better than under Clinton”? What measurements are you using?
July 7th, 2007 at 9:07 pmThe idea of reasonable consumption goes smack against the marketing agenda of much of corporate America. Look at the ads for cars telling you how huge they are. Look at the food ads that tell you to stuff yourself silly (disregarding how actually UNhealthy that is.)
July 7th, 2007 at 9:08 pmOnly the
July 7th, 2007 at 9:09 pmDo you have sources for any of that spit take? I will accept mainstream news articles, but not opinion pieces.
July 7th, 2007 at 9:09 pmThey will recoil from any idea of sharing or showing compassion beyond family because they see it as weakness - it’s a dog-eat-dog world for them. They detest the idea of the people having a say in politics, because they’ve already got their Leader.
Comment by AnonGOPer
I’m glad you’re a parody AnonGOPer, because we already have enough beyond stupid trolls — they’re even making an appearance on this thread. :)
That way of thinking is so totally beyond the pale that I wonder how it develops. How could showing compassion outside of one’s family be weak? Wow.
Thanks for spending time at those nutzoid sites. Someone should keep an eye on the happenings there, and I’m glad it’s not me.
July 7th, 2007 at 9:09 pmMad dog! Mad dog! Shoot it, Atticus, shoot it.
My goodness! The trolls are desperate. One can almost see them devolving before one’s very eyes.
They’re losing hearts & minds over the wars in the Middle East, over universal healthcare, over justice, and now over the environment. If this keeps up the GOP will go the way of the Whig Party next year.
I openly appeal to all feeling and thinking small ‘c’ conservatives to abandon this sinking ship and form a new party and call it the Conservative Party. The GOP is a gyp.
July 7th, 2007 at 9:09 pmEXCUSE ME?????
Comment by Wayne A. Schneider
That sick f*ck needs to be banned. This is getting ridiculous.
July 7th, 2007 at 9:10 pmThe economy under Bush is better than under Clinton.
Comment by Tupe
Mr Rogers did it, too.
July 7th, 2007 at 9:11 pm“If this keeps up the GOP will go the way of the Whig Party next year.”
President Thompson.
July 7th, 2007 at 9:11 pmDo you have sources for any of that spit take? I will accept mainstream news articles, but not opinion pieces.
Comment by Tupe
We will require the same from you for your assertion.
July 7th, 2007 at 9:12 pm“Mr Rogers did it, too.”
Mr. Rogers voted for George W. Bush.
July 7th, 2007 at 9:14 pm#43:
Define “the economy.” If you mean the Dow, yeah - corporations are kicking ass in the plus column. How’s YOUR economy?
July 7th, 2007 at 9:14 pmZoobie… I mean Zooey…
…man am I high right now…
anyway,
do you have the doobies?
July 7th, 2007 at 9:14 pm“How’s YOUR economy?”
Better than under Clinton.
July 7th, 2007 at 9:14 pmDo you have sources for any of that spit take? I will accept mainstream news articles, but not opinion pieces.
Comment by Tupe — July 7, 2007 @ 9:09 pm
Try federal government resources on the web. It’s all there. The Census Bureau is a good resource for income figures, OMB is good for budget history and heck, stock market info is all over the web like a rash. Takes some research, but it’s worth it. What do you dispute?
And more importantly, by what measures do you declare that “the economy under Bush is better than under Clinton?”
While you’re composing your answer, I’ll dig for a few links for you.
Any backup at all?
July 7th, 2007 at 9:16 pmI just got an email from TP saying that I should apologize to Wayne and Jane Schneider. So I do.
July 7th, 2007 at 9:16 pmEXCUSE ME?????
Comment by Wayne A. Schneider
That sick f*ck needs to be banned. This is getting ridiculous.
Comment by Zooey — July 7, 2007 @ 9:10 pm
Already contacted Faiz.
Everyone should contact TP.
That’s what this concert is all about - taking a stand.
Doing Something.
Start now. All email TP and get the scumbag troll banned permanently.
Why don’t we have registration?
We’ve only asked, pleaded for a year +…
July 7th, 2007 at 9:16 pmActually, the real star of the environmental movement, James Lovelock, has said that we can’t aim for sustainable development any more; we need to embrace sustainable retreat.
Unfortunately, laissez-faire advocates are the last people to put in charge in a crisis. They freeze like deer in a truck’s headlights. Their philosophical stance means Do Nothing. And so they pray to their big sugar Nobodaddy in the Sky.
July 7th, 2007 at 9:16 pm“Any backup at all?”
No I don’t. Unemployment seems lower. The stock market seems to be going higher. I’m making a lot more money now than under Clinton.
But I still wouldn’t mind seeing your sources to back up your claims.
July 7th, 2007 at 9:18 pmI understand all that, had enough. What I don’t understand is your relatively normal, rank-and-file conservative without a real corporate interest, whose first impulse is to deride and disbelieve. Why? Is the partisan divide so bitter that they oppose anything that they perceive as a “liberal†cause no matter its nature?
just got back.
Yes. Well put. Liberalism has been stereotyped partly due to right hate America corporate owned media.
Most of my family are republican and how well do I know that slight sneer when they say liberal. This case it is not media, but many generations of upbringing. And of course anything related to liberal such as environment … you get that same attitude.
July 7th, 2007 at 9:19 pmPresident Thompson.
Comment by Tupe
He’s spent one third of his life as a lobbyist. He’ll get the 23%ers vote. Not much else.
July 7th, 2007 at 9:19 pmLive Aid may be using quite a bit of energy, but not nearly as much as the broadcast media does. I think the broadcast media should stop broadcasting to reduce the ‘hot air’.
July 7th, 2007 at 9:20 pmTupe…well, I’m happy for ya. Care to help out the children at the poverty level with your riches? Or is that too lib for ya?
July 7th, 2007 at 9:20 pm“He’s spent one third of his life as a lobbyist. ”
Of his adult life maybe. But this was before being a lobbyist was a dirty word.
July 7th, 2007 at 9:20 pmhttp://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_depth/4307745.stm
(My source - something you still haven’t given us)
July 7th, 2007 at 9:20 pmhttp://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_depth/4307745.stm
(my source, by the way)
July 7th, 2007 at 9:21 pmI’m actually watching “Who Killed the Electric Car” narrated by Martin Sheen on cable.
The oil executives should be all put in prison for what they’ve done to this country.
July 7th, 2007 at 9:21 pmbarfly,
Come on man…
I know you have some doobies!
July 7th, 2007 at 9:21 pm“Care to help out the children at the poverty level with your riches? Or is that too lib for ya?”
I give 10% of my income to charity. I’m by no means rich, but I’m making at least double now than under Clinton.
July 7th, 2007 at 9:22 pmWouldn’t if be fun to help Tucker tighten his bow tie?
July 7th, 2007 at 9:23 pmI know you have some doobies!
Comment by Mr. President
Get your own, ya f*cking leech. No wonder you don’t have any friends.
July 7th, 2007 at 9:25 pmRather than being banned, I was asked by TP not to post here anymore. They just sent me another email. So I will honor that request.
July 7th, 2007 at 9:25 pm“I know you have some doobies!”
Comment by Mr. President
I’ve got a new strain of cannabis, that is genetically engineered to smell just like oregano. I’ve got pounds of the stuff; make me an offer.
July 7th, 2007 at 9:26 pmI give 10% of my income to charity. I’m by no means rich, but I’m making at least double now than under Clinton.
Comment by Tupe
How old were you in the Clinton years, and what was your job?
What do you do now?
July 7th, 2007 at 9:26 pmI give 10% of my income to charity. I’m by no means rich, but I’m making at least double now than under Clinton.
Comment by Tupe — July 7, 2007 @ 9:22 pm
For the same job at the same company, for the same hours, etc. right? Otherwise this is a stupid comment. If you where a 13 year old paperboy during the Clinton era but now a dishwasher and high school drop out, your statement might be true.
July 7th, 2007 at 9:26 pmTupe:
for wages, there’s a real good chart on page 4 of this pdf from the Census Bureau.
As for the Dow Jones, it first rose above 4000 in Feb of 1995. In Jan 2000 it closed above 11,700. That’s a rise of over 250%. Since then the Dow has risen less than 2000 points — about 12%.
Here’s some poverty stats: this article is from 2003, and the trend has continued since, with a pause between 2004 and 2005, where the poverty rate remained the same. The money quote:
The national poverty rate declined from 1993 to 2000, when it reached a low of 11.3 percent. In the next three years, 4.3 million more people fell below the poverty line, and the median household income dropped by more than $1,500 in inflation-adjusted terms.
Everyone knows about the budget, so that should be enough for you to chew on for now.
July 7th, 2007 at 9:27 pmWhat I don’t understand is why the right is so dead-set against the whole notion of global warming as a threat.
I mean, it really has nothing to do with political philosophy, does it?
I understand the oil lobby’s interest in pooh-poohing the science, and I understand the partisan push-back against Gore, however childish it may be.
Comment by spit take — July 7, 2007 @ 8:20 pm
It has little to nothing to do with actual political philosophy. It is about greed, an abject fear of change (even of the good kind), a lack of foresight, and a sociopathic mindset that brings with it a complete lack of empathy for anything and anyone else, including one’s own descendants’ health and wellbeing.
It doesn’t even make any sense from a practical standpoint. Think about it:
A) What if the 27%ers are correct, and global climate change isn’t a threat? What is the worst that can happen? We can “waste” a lot of money researching technologies that make our land, winds and seas cleaner, and our businesses more efficient in terms of energy consumption to waste ratio. While opening up a whole new world of technologies that are green, we also gain a much broader, yet simultaneously more deep and detailed understanding of the environment and how it works as a system. If we are still using oil and coal after all the research, but are also using nuclear, solar, wind and thermodynamic energy sources, we have that many more viable, working industries in the Market. That many more potential entrepreneurs, taking part in the free market, and keeping the healthy spirit of competition and innovation alive in the marketplace. That many more avenues for both Capital and Labor to invest, expand, and maximize. Even if we find that oil and coal are the best, most efficient forms of energy, and we find they are in fact renewable, what did we lose? R&D costs.
B) What if those “damned hippies” are right? What if global climate change is a dangerous feedback loop that we need to stop? What is the worst that can happen? We all die. The End.
Do any of you on the Right see how incredibly obtuse and stupid your argument is? Which of the two options above is more “conservative” in its approach? Which of these two options has the worst option should we fail? Which has the worst option if we succeed? As far as I can tell, only the carbon-energy industry, and carbon-energy lobbyists, carbon-energy lawyers, and politicians paid $$$ by the former two, “suffer” under option (A). Everyone else breathes easier, eats more healthy diets, gets cancer less often, and the marketplace has more options to fall back on should one industry fail. Option (B) offers the carbon-energy industrialists and lobbyists a massive short-term gain, then virtually everybody on Earth dies.
It is so ridiculous on its face, much less as you explore the depths of the claims of the deniers. It would be one thing if it were an approximately even split between alarmists and naysayers. It’s another thing altogether when the majority of the scientific community has concluded that the global climate crisis is real, while the only deniers are scientists working for the carbon-energy industries, lobbyists working for the carbon-energy lobbies, and the people who have historically (and blindly) followed everything their specific political party stands behind.
Put that in your damned pipe and smoke it, trolls!
July 7th, 2007 at 9:27 pmHow old were you in the Clinton years, and what was your job?
What do you do now?
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I’m a salesman. And I’m 44 years old. I was a salesman during the Clinton years.
July 7th, 2007 at 9:27 pmRather than being banned, I was asked by TP not to post here anymore. They just sent me another email. So I will honor that request.
Comment by dogtrottors — July 7, 2007 @ 9:25 pm
Good riddance, you sick f*ck.
July 7th, 2007 at 9:28 pm“For the same job at the same company, for the same hours, etc. right?”
Right.
July 7th, 2007 at 9:28 pmWhat exactly do you sell?
July 7th, 2007 at 9:31 pmAl Gore ROCKS the world!
This is how we can live! Live Earth.
July 7th, 2007 at 9:31 pmThe 8 Clinton years were them most prosperous this country ever knew.
July 7th, 2007 at 9:31 pmBart. Who Killed the Electric Car? is a GREAT film! Enjoy! I saw it on Earth Day when I was working at a solar company; they showed it as a lunch event and it blew me away.
Just think…had GM continued with their electric car, we could have been the world leader (and think about the trickle down effect of job creation there!), but no, they killed it (how much do you want to bet that the CEO of GM has a ton of oil stock?) From world leader to pretty much last to market. Woo hoo.
July 7th, 2007 at 9:31 pmI’m a salesman. And I’m 44 years old. I was a salesman during the Clinton years.
Comment by Tupe
Sorry, but sales jobs are pretty subjective.
For example: I made close to minimum wage for almost all of the Clinton years I worked, but I’m unemployed now. Obviously I did much better in the Clinton years.
Just as lame as your example.
July 7th, 2007 at 9:32 pmMy thoughts exactly, Zooey.
This tithing line was used by Reagan, but his tax returns revealed he actually gave less than the average American and certainly not 10%.
Tupe was either in high school during the 90s or is working for the Bush administration. Or perhaps both. I mean, the DoJ seems chock full of kids with their gumball machine law degrees dispensing dubious legal opinions on Rights, Truth, Justice and the American Way.
July 7th, 2007 at 9:33 pmWhat exactly do you sell?
Comment by dbadass
You’re expecting a truthful answer from him, after his wrongheaded assertion about Clinton’s economy?
Good luck with that.
July 7th, 2007 at 9:33 pm“Any backup at all?â€
No I don’t. Unemployment seems lower. The stock market seems to be going higher. I’m making a lot more money now than under Clinton.
Comment by Tupe — July 7, 2007 @ 9:18 pm
Ah, yes, the anecdotal “common sense” approach to making bold pronouncements of fact. No actual sources needed. No wider world to consider
Truthiness rules.
July 7th, 2007 at 9:34 pm“What exactly do you sell?”
Medical instruments.
July 7th, 2007 at 9:35 pmHahaha. Wanna bet Tupe sells arms?
July 7th, 2007 at 9:35 pm“I’m a salesman. And I’m 44 years old. I was a salesman during the Clinton years.”
Comment by Tupe
Prove it.
July 7th, 2007 at 9:35 pm“Ah, yes, the anecdotal “common sense†approach to making bold pronouncements of fact.”
It was my opinion.
July 7th, 2007 at 9:36 pm“Medical instruments”? I take it that’s a euphemism for thumb-screws and nipple electrodes and waterboards.
July 7th, 2007 at 9:37 pmMedical instruments.
Comment by Tupe
Well, there ya go.
Dismissed.
July 7th, 2007 at 9:37 pm“The 8 Clinton years were them most prosperous this country ever knew.”
Maybe for you. But my income was half what it is now.
July 7th, 2007 at 9:37 pmIt was my opinion.
Comment by Tupe —
For which you offered no proof. Yet you require others to prove their assertions to you. Can you see the contradiction?
July 7th, 2007 at 9:38 pmOpen your eyes America!
July 7th, 2007 at 9:38 pmPlease
I know you have some doobies!
Comment by Mr. President
Of course, P boy.
I love the Dobbie Brothers.
July 7th, 2007 at 9:39 pmIs anyone watching it?
July 7th, 2007 at 9:39 pm“Yet you require others to prove their assertions to you.”
I’m chewing on spit take’s sources as we speak.
July 7th, 2007 at 9:40 pmHi True. I’ve been watching, on and off.
July 7th, 2007 at 9:41 pm“I made close to minimum wage for almost all of the Clinton years I worked, but I’m unemployed now.”
I’m sorry to hear that. Maybe one of your friends here can help you locate a job.
July 7th, 2007 at 9:41 pmI just got an email from TP saying that I should apologize to Wayne and Jane Schneider. So I do.
Comment by dogtrottors — July 7, 2007 @ 9:16 pm
Apology accepted.
I’m sorry for what may appear to be a snub on my lengthy absence, but I was actually watching this concert for a bit. Bon Jovi was on from Giants Stadium, which is not technically in NYC, but that’s where they say it’s from. I was not intentionally ignoring you.
One last question before we both move on.
What on earth prompted you to do that out of the blue?
If I’ve said something which you would like to discuss, there are other ways of conveying that thought.
But, I’ll forget about it if I never see it again.
Thank you.
And thank you, TP, for your concerns. :)
P.S. I will tell Jane about everything in case she comes in later and doesn’t see this exchange. I will tell her that there should be no need to bring this up again. Okay? Okay. Let’s get back to debating.
Good concert.
July 7th, 2007 at 9:42 pm“I’m chewing on spit take’s sources as we speak.”
Comment by Tupe
Yet, curiously, when called to offer up proof, you have none - except for an anecdotal exercise in jerking off.
July 7th, 2007 at 9:43 pm“What exactly do you sell?â€
Medical instruments.
Comment by Tupe — July 7, 2007 @ 9:35 pm
Interesting. Whereas I have heard of no one doubling the income of any professional career in such short time under the exactly identical work conditions you describe, to what do you attribute this marvel. Do you feel it has anything to do with the fleecing of the consumer by the medical industry? When you made only half as much what was your charity rate? I have a sis who made big money with big pharma but walked away for ethical reasons. Well cheers for you. I teach the children but my wages have gone backward as have my benefits despite a third degree during these years. Sales is way more important than ed though so I understand. With luck every ship will rise with the incoming tide of the new administration. I assume you have noticed the widening income gap which the current administration has presided over.
July 7th, 2007 at 9:44 pmOf course, there’s been brisk business for the “medical instrument” business ever since Bush started blowing the Middle East to bits. The USA sends tonnes of the stuff to Iraq –unfortunately, mostly shoddy stuff from no-bid contractors.
July 7th, 2007 at 9:45 pmUnemployment statistics:
the unemployment rate dropped every year under Clinton until it hit its lowest point since 1969 in Clinton’s final year in office. The trend reversed itself when Bush took office.
July 7th, 2007 at 9:46 pmSpit Take, I have reviewed your sources. Thank you for posting them. However, I can only speak to my personal financial position and that of my family. I am doing much better now than I was during the Clinton years. Sales are really snappy. Hopefully it will be even better under President Thompson. ;)
July 7th, 2007 at 9:46 pmComment by Tupe
Perhaps you shouldn’t make such sweeping statements, with no proof.
July 7th, 2007 at 9:49 pm“The trend reversed itself when Bush took office.”
It’s in the mid 4% now.
July 7th, 2007 at 9:49 pmCHENEY 2008!!!!
July 7th, 2007 at 9:51 pmIt’s in the mid 4% now.
Comment by Tupe
*Sigh*
It doesn’t take into account those who have stopped looking for work. They aren’t counted.
July 7th, 2007 at 9:51 pm“I take it that’s a euphemism for thumb-screws and nipple electrodes and waterboards.”
I sell equipment for cardiac surgery and for the treatment of cardiac arrhythmias.
July 7th, 2007 at 9:52 pmThese guys have money to burn when it comes to putting together bogus lies.Their puplic-dis-service team are known fabricators.
July 7th, 2007 at 9:52 pmRemember the tabacco industry and ther efforts to prove they knew nothing about addiction and health risks.
This was of course while their r/d teams were developing methods to insure the right mix of chemicals was in evey smoke to get kids,especially kids addicted.
This was at a time in the 70’s when they faced a real crises.
The marlboro crowd was getting older and they needed to target the 10-12 year olds and start the next generation of addicts.Guess what came out of that pr binge?
joe camel, yep, aimed at children folks.Nice guys these killers.(and girls too)
You can see an actual internal industry “red alert,we are losing the kids,we must get the kids addicted” from early 70’s in a washington monthly mid 90’s issue.
Only pointing this out because the smog industry has way way way more money to burn and keep everyone in a haze.
No facts please.Just some sexy cars will do.Or at least cars with sex smeared on them.
No one seems to understand why they are addicted yet.The smog industry gets a free roadway right into peoples brains.
They have no mercy.Have you noticed that??
“It doesn’t take into account those who have stopped looking for work. They aren’t counted.”
Were they counted during the Clinton years?
July 7th, 2007 at 9:53 pmCHENEY 2008!!!!
Comment by Mr. President — July 7, 2007 @ 9:51 pm
I see you are still really high on those doobies you had to jones from everyone else
July 7th, 2007 at 9:54 pm“What exactly do you sell?â€
Medical instruments.
Comment by Tupe — July 7, 2007 @ 9:35 pm
It’s funny how self-absorbed the trolls are such that all of their threads end up becoming about them. I, for one, could care less about this guy and feel that I owe him absolutely no explanation for anything. If he wants to come here and educate his Fox-soaked brain, that’s ok. If he’s going to come here demanding that we prove something (like global warming) where there is more than adequate scientific consensus, I will have no part of it. I have posted many posts to this effect but the trolls are stuck in their ways.
However you look at it, this event is GREAT. It’s a concert that involves millions and millions of people with the intent of educating them about the future of our planet. And all the Repuke A**holes can do is p*ss on the thing as if it’s something horrible. That’s how disgusting these people are. When there’s an effort to do something good, they don’t just sit on the sidelines and watch, they actively try to counteract it. ABSOLUTELY SICK!!
July 7th, 2007 at 9:54 pm“Ah, yes, the anecdotal “common sense†approach to making bold pronouncements of fact.â€
It was my opinion.
Comment by Tupe — July 7, 2007 @ 9:36 pm
You didn’t state it as opinion. You stated it as fact.
The only thing you have to base your opinion on is your personal experience. Pretty limited sample of data, wouldn’t you agree?
Now, you basically have two choices: either revise your statement to say something like, “my personal economic situation is better under Bush than under Clinton”, which given an extra decade of professional experience and, hopefully, advancement, isn’t a surprise. That’s pretty much the way it’s supposed to work.
Your second choice is to stick by your original intent and say something like, “I thought the economy under Bush was better than under Clinton, but it looks like statistics show otherwise.” That shouldn’t be too hard; after all Ronald Reagan made a very similar statement to the nation on March 4, 1987:
A few months ago I told the American people I did not trade arms for hostages. My heart and my best intentions still tell me that’s true, but the facts and the evidence tell me it is not.
See? Simple.
July 7th, 2007 at 9:56 pmCHENEY 2008!!!!
Comment by Mr. President — July 7, 2007 @ 9:51 pm
And this guy is absolutely out to lunch. TP should ban him for any number of reasons. IMHO, we should not respond to him at all. It would really show himself as the lonesome loser he is. However, I know it’s hard not to respond. The trolls are good at pushing our buttons. That’s their goal in life.
July 7th, 2007 at 9:56 pm“my personal economic situation is better under Bush than under Clintonâ€, which given an extra decade of professional experience and, hopefully, advancement, isn’t a surprise.
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I would agree with that.
July 7th, 2007 at 9:58 pmCHENEY 2008!!!!
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Fred! Fred! Fred!
July 7th, 2007 at 10:00 pmI have been watching the shows and have to say I have been moved. I have been sitting on a phone # to call and get solar panels put up and I will definitely call on Monday. I’m also going to have a gas line put in to replace the oil burner. Its about time.
July 7th, 2007 at 10:00 pmGetting back to the topic, the CEI is a notorious Exxon-funded institution. Here’s from Wikipedia:
“ExxonMobil Corporation was a major donor to CEI, with over $2 million in contributions between 1998 and 2005. [8] In 2002 the company gave $405,000;[9] in 2004 it gave CEI $180,000 that was earmarked for “global climate change and global climate change outreach.” [4] In 2006, the company announced that they had ended their funding for the group.[10]”
July 7th, 2007 at 10:01 pmCHENEY! CHENEY! CHENEY!
July 7th, 2007 at 10:01 pmCHENEY/THOMPSON ‘08!!!
July 7th, 2007 at 10:02 pmPlease it’ll be Barry or Hill.
July 7th, 2007 at 10:02 pmSpit Take, I have reviewed your sources. Thank you for posting them. However, I can only speak to my personal financial position and that of my family. I am doing much better now than I was during the Clinton years. Sales are really snappy. Hopefully it will be even better under President Thompson. ;)
Comment by Tupe — July 7, 2007 @ 9:46 pm
Well, you could also speak about the wider national picture with the support of some trustworthy sources, but you seem reluctant to do that.
It’s a cop-out to say “I can only speak to my personal financial position and that of my family.” That’s all you WANT to address, because the wider picture doesn’t support your stated position. And like a good right-winger, your personal situation is all that matters.
So it sounds like you’re choosing option number one in my last post — revise your statement to say something like, “my personal economic situation is better under Bush than under Clintonâ€.
The only problem with that is, it’s not very meaningful beyond the four walls of your family house. It certainly has almost nothing to do with the national debate, and is completely irrelevant to this thread.
July 7th, 2007 at 10:03 pmFred/Mitt?
July 7th, 2007 at 10:04 pm“The only problem with that is, it’s not very meaningful beyond the four walls of your family house.”
Except who I’m going to vote for in ‘08.
July 7th, 2007 at 10:05 pmLive Earth ‘breaks streaming record’
THE Live Earth global pop concerts have broken a record for an online entertainment show by generating more than nine million internet streams, Microsoft web portal MSN said.
As the last two of the nine Live Earth concerts got under way in the US and Brazil, MSN product manager Karin Muskopf said the number of streams had surpassed the previous record held by 2005’s Live 8 global concerts to fight poverty.
“We have exceeded any other online entertainment event,” Mr Muskopf said. “It’s really exciting to see the enthusiasm for the concert.”
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/ story/ 0,20867,22037660-1702,00.html
July 7th, 2007 at 10:07 pmIt doesn’t take into account those who have stopped looking for work. They aren’t counted.
Comment by barfly — July 7, 2007 @ 9:51 pm
It doesn’t take into account the homeless, those not looking for work for more than FOUR WEEKS, those looking for work but COMPLETELY UNABLE TO FIND IT, homemakers, anyone who doesn’t make a living wage, people only ABLE to work part time, people who work but have received no hours (in it doesn’t matter how long), small business owners whose businesses aren’t making them any money anymore, among others.
How the hell can any reasonable level of unemployment statistics deny so many of the above categories. Between just the homeless, not looking for work for more than FOUR WEEKS, and unwillingly part-time only workers, you are talking about the BULK of people who should be considered unemployed.
“It doesn’t take into account those who have stopped looking for work. They aren’t counted.â€
Were they counted during the Clinton years?
Comment by Tupe — July 7, 2007 @ 9:53 pm
Umm, yeah. It was counted that way then, too. Doesn’t change anything. If 5% of the population in 1998 fell in this category then but 90% of who was left were employed, and 95% of the population falls in that category now in 2007 and 90% of who is left are employed, it STILL looks like we have a 10% unemployment rate. It is playing with statistics to manipulate people, without giving you an accurate gauge of the reality of the situation. It is gaming the system, plain and simple.
July 7th, 2007 at 10:07 pmDick Cheney is a natural leader and a brilliant strategist.
A man like him should not waste his abilities.
The USA needs him.
Role model. Patriot. Humanitarian.
July 7th, 2007 at 10:07 pmCHENEY 2008!!!
Dick Cheney killed Edwards in their debate.
July 7th, 2007 at 10:09 pmDick Chenney should have a heart attack, while driving his entire family over a very narrow bridge.
July 7th, 2007 at 10:10 pmTHERE IS NO proven science that we humans are the cause of global warming. SHOW ME THE SCIENTIFIC PROOF that we are the cause of global warming and I will concede and eat crow. I want to believe but as a PHD holder in Analytical Analysis, no matter how much I read and research, I can’t find scientific proof anywhere. Through my trained mind, all I see is a bunch of fanatics who have to have some reason to glom off the people, spouting off GLOBAL WARMING!!!! WE ARE ALL GOING TO DIE garbage…no science at all. Just a “consensus” that there is Global Warming….DUHHH. There is Global Warming but the consensus among scientists it is a natural Earth cycle. UNDERSTAND No reason to panic! No reason for crazy life changes!
July 7th, 2007 at 10:11 pmDick Cheney killed Edwards in their debate.
Comment by Tupe
And he shot his friend in the face while drunk down in Texas. Deadeye’s a killer ALLLLLRIGHTY!!!!
July 7th, 2007 at 10:11 pmMr. President, what is your opinion on John Edwards’ $1200 haircut?
July 7th, 2007 at 10:11 pm#49: What Republicans really hate is that Gore is a class traitor. How dare a rich southern gentleman diss conspicuous consumption!
That’s why the Troll-spin is all about Gore and not about the Science. The Science is irrefutable. However, if one can instill fear in the other rich white males, responsible action can be put off until it’s too late.
Yes, that’s part of it. Also, they’re banking on Gore’s low approval ratings, hoping to attach the issue of global climate change to an unpopular figure and to distract people from the science.
July 7th, 2007 at 10:11 pm“And he shot his friend in the face while drunk down in Texas. Deadeye’s a killer ALLLLLRIGHTY!!!!”
Cheney’s friend apoligized for that. hehe.
What Texan hasn’t done that?
July 7th, 2007 at 10:12 pmCheney is a political genius, it is a shame that his health is not better.
July 7th, 2007 at 10:12 pm“The only problem with that is, it’s not very meaningful beyond the four walls of your family house.â€
Except who I’m going to vote for in ‘08.
Comment by Tupe — July 7, 2007 @ 10:05 pm
By all means, decide your vote along the narrowest knowledge base possible.
Don’t worry about broad economic statistics; if a policy is going to help you personally in the short term, who cares if it drives more people into poverty? Or sustains the illusion of growth on credit from China? Or positions our economy for a recession? Go Fred!
July 7th, 2007 at 10:13 pm“if a policy is going to help you personally in the short term, who cares if it drives more people into poverty?”
Clinton didn’t do much about poverty.
July 7th, 2007 at 10:14 pmComment by Tupe — July 7, 2007 @ 10:11 pm
That is all John Edwards is, a walking $1200 haircut.
July 7th, 2007 at 10:14 pmDick Cheney killed Edwards in their debate.
Comment by Tupe — July 7, 2007 @ 10:09 pm
Not that it has anything to do with topic which seems long forgotten but how’d you score the Gore/Bush debates?
July 7th, 2007 at 10:14 pmDick Cheney killed Edwards in their debate.
Comment by Tupe — July 7, 2007 @ 10:09 pm
I take it THIS is your opinion, too, and not the statement of fact it appears to be.
July 7th, 2007 at 10:14 pmAl Gore… should be Al Snore.
July 7th, 2007 at 10:15 pm#145: You’re an idiot.
July 7th, 2007 at 10:16 pmWord is that there’s going to be a “big surprise” at the end of the Giants Stadium show tonight.
I thought about that for a bit and, after ruling out the possibility that George W. Bush was going to come onstage and tell everyone that he’s “decided” that global warming is real after all - and all federal buildings were going green (hell would freeze over before that would ever happen, of course), I figured it will be a special musical guest.
And I’m guessing it will be Sir Paul McCartney with his mandolin. And it will be at that point, I will leave the room and go throw up. God, how I hope I’m wrong!!!
July 7th, 2007 at 10:16 pmClinton didn’t do much about poverty.
Comment by Tupe — July 7, 2007 @ 10:14 pm
You didn’t look at those links very closely, did you? Or do you just have that short of an attention span? (That wouldexplain a lot, actually.)
Under Clinton, the poverty rate declined every year he was in office. That means fewer people living in poverty. Considering that is something Bush hasn’t been able to accomplish, I’d say that’s “doing something”.
July 7th, 2007 at 10:17 pm“Not that it has anything to do with topic which seems long forgotten but how’d you score the Gore/Bush debates?”
Bush won them. Gore annoyed people by sighing and a different Al Gore showed up for each debate.
Ask me about the ‘04 debates.
July 7th, 2007 at 10:17 pmWhat Texan hasn’t done that?
Comment by Tupe
Bush hasn’t shot anyone in the face, that we know of. He’s blown up frogs w/ firecrackers, branded pledges on the ass, gotten hundreds of thousands of Iraqis killed over his lies… but then, Duh-bya isn’t a real Texan, is he?
July 7th, 2007 at 10:18 pm#156: Al Gore… should be Al Snore.
That’s your opinion.
I don’t think Al Gore is perfect, but I’m glad he’s making an effort to address the problem of anthropogenic climate change. For that I commend him.
What are you doing, Mr. President, to help prevent anthropogenic climate change?
July 7th, 2007 at 10:19 pm“Under Clinton, the poverty rate declined every year he was in office.”
The poverty rate is not much different now.
July 7th, 2007 at 10:19 pmJust my opinion Jimbo.
July 7th, 2007 at 10:20 pmThe poverty rate is not much different now.
Comment by Tupe
Hard to say w/ the way the Brusch Admin cooks the numbers endlessly.
July 7th, 2007 at 10:20 pmWhat does everyone think of John Edwards and his $2 million haircut?
I heard he spent $3.5 million on it and he held up an airport, a funeral procession for a fallen soldier and an ambulance while he got it.
July 7th, 2007 at 10:20 pmWhat are you doing, Mr. President, to help prevent anthropogenic climate change?
Comment by Jim — July 7, 2007 @ 10:19 pm
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Smoking doobies with Goracle III,
What else?!?!
July 7th, 2007 at 10:20 pmI guess my right on comment has been censored, deleted,