Professor retracts Mr. Rogers smears.
By on Jul 7th, 2007 at 12:00 pm
Professor retracts Mr. Rogers smears.
Yesterday, ThinkProgress noted that Fox News was participating in an effort to “blame Mr. Rogers” for the “sense of entitlement” among some children today. The criticism of Mr. Rogers stemmed from Don Chance, a finance professor at Louisiana State University. Chance later contacted Fox News to issue a statement retracting his attacks:
The reference to Mr. Rogers was just a metaphor. I have no professional qualifications to evaluate the real problems or propose solutions. Mr. Rogers was a great American. I watched him with my children and wouldn’t hesitate to do so again if I had young children.
Chance’s lack of “professional qualifications” didn’t prevent from the mainstream media from catapulting his propaganda. Watch it:
[flv http://video.thinkprogress.org/2007/07/rogersII.320.240.flv]
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Professor Chance probably just got an EARFULL.
July 7th, 2007 at 12:06 pmParents are the reason kids today have a sense of entitlement.
July 7th, 2007 at 12:07 pmGee, I wonder if GDumbya watched Mr. Rogers. Professor Chance could actually be onto something here. That would explain quite a bit about GDumbya’s sense of entitlement and total lack of personal responsibility. After all, we do know that it’s always “a beautiful day” in GDumbya’s neighborhood, er, bubble.
July 7th, 2007 at 12:09 pmYeah, but Clinton made the parents do it. I blame the “Greatest Generation” they fought so their children would have better. Just like kids to go and enjoy that benefit.
July 7th, 2007 at 12:10 pmI take it that now, after you say something particularly vicious, you’re supposed to say, “It was just a metaphor,” rather than the old-school, “Can’t you take a joke?”
Noted.
July 7th, 2007 at 12:13 pmAt least the guy had the stones to retract his stupid remark. That’s more than we generally see when the networks broadcast this irrelevant tripe.
July 7th, 2007 at 12:14 pmI’d hate to think it, but he probably received a flood of angry mail.
July 7th, 2007 at 12:14 pmSo I guess the latest strategy employed by people who say stupid, stupid things is “Hey, it was just a metaphor.”
July 7th, 2007 at 12:19 pmYup. Metaphors like “bring ‘em on” and “mission accomplished”, I suppose.
July 7th, 2007 at 12:21 pmSeems like a lot of people have not figured something out. The Winger technique to spread propaganda is simple. Once the horse is out of the barn, you’ve achieved your goal. You retract later but no one is listening or cares. You’ve accomplished your objective. It’s like starting a rumor.
July 7th, 2007 at 12:26 pmThe administration has thrived using this gambit. It’s not that he’s now “sorry” or “got an earful” ( though he probably did). It was jus time to impliment the next phase……make a retraction. And yet…it’s been all over the news for a week. It sickens me. It’s why you can sue for slander and why gossip and starting rumors is so evil…..it sticks regardless. And people of low character will use anything that works.
#5 zooey
you have it!
…after you say something particularly vicious, you’re supposed to say, “It was just a metaphor,†rather than the old-school, “Can’t you take a joke?â€
That was the same line Faoud Ajami gave to Schuster on Hardball yesterday when he compared Libby to soldiers fighting in Iraq — it was only a metaphor.
Are they getting more sloppy and desperate or are we all getting quicker to pick up on their bullshit.
July 7th, 2007 at 12:31 pmYup. Metaphors like “bring ‘em on†and “mission accomplishedâ€, I suppose.
Comment by Tom
And Scooter Libby is like a soldier in the Iraqi war.
July 7th, 2007 at 12:35 pm“Yeah, but Clinton made the parents do it. I blame the “Greatest Generation†they fought so their children would have better. Just like kids to go and enjoy that benefit.”
Ha. Actually, I think you can trace the sense of entitlement in kids to the 80s. You know, when Reagan was in office. Kids can enjoy a better standard of living than their parents had without feeling they are somehow entitled to it. The problem is that no one stresses civic involvement – it’s all about the individual.
July 7th, 2007 at 12:39 pmAt least the guy had the stones to retract his stupid remark. That’s more than we generally see when the networks broadcast this irrelevant tripe.
Comment by gummitch
You’re right, gummitch, I give the idiot credit for that. Um, what time of the early morning was this retraction aired….? :)
July 7th, 2007 at 12:45 pm#13
The right wing rhetoric against the left has gotten so bad that ‘civic involvement’ and not focusing on the individual is automatically labeled as communist.
July 7th, 2007 at 12:45 pmWingers are so stupid, you just have to fall silent sometimes.
July 7th, 2007 at 12:45 pmMr Rogers did it, too.
July 7th, 2007 at 12:46 pmWow, people actually watch these talking heads on Faux Noise? I could barely sit through the segment you posted here without barfing. That can in no way be called “news” reporting. It’s no wonder Faux Noise viewers are so woefully uninformed.
July 7th, 2007 at 12:47 pmThink before you speak Prof and you wouldn’t be attempting to backpeddle right now.
July 7th, 2007 at 12:47 pmThis clown got his ass handed to him, at least he had the courage to apologize, unlike our idiotic trolls from last night.
July 7th, 2007 at 12:49 pmIf today’s generation has a sense of entitlement it is because of the corporatization of this country and the constant bombardment of advertising they are exposed to. Why do you think Americans are in so much debt on credit cards? They daily see credit card advertisements that basically tell them that they are entitled to the “good life” and they can have the good life with their credit card.
July 7th, 2007 at 12:50 pmI wonder what people will be saying about the children of today who are learning that dishonesty overrules ethics.
July 7th, 2007 at 12:51 pmMorality is nothing if one can make a profit with immorality.
Lying trumps truth, especially if your friends can help you beat the rap.
People used to gasp and say the president was teaching children that illicit sex is OK, when Clinton was in office. This president is teaching children things far worse with far greater impact.
Will children today grow up to be more cynical, more unwilling to participate in society, more hopeless than previous generations — or will they follow the lead of those high schoolers who challenged Bush to his face on his immorality?
I think you’re right Katie. I wonder what % of Americans pay off their entire balance every month, month after month, year after year???
July 7th, 2007 at 12:51 pm#22 – Marie
BINGO! That’s what really scares me. If I was a parent today I would be having some long talks with my children about honor, ethics and moral codes. Fortunately my lovely daughter is a 35 year old progressive who is out there fighting the fight for our environment. She just passed the California bar and is going into environmental law. She once told me that she wanted to be “the real Erin Brokovitch”.
July 7th, 2007 at 12:54 pmThe appropriate metaphor for the Bushites is Eddie Murphy’s SNL satirical sketch “Mr. Robinson’s Neighbourhood” “Can you say lie, children? Can you say B&E?”
July 7th, 2007 at 12:56 pm“I think you’re right Katie. I wonder what % of Americans pay off their entire balance every month, month after month, year after year???”
I do, and I found out something interesting the other day. I am selling my house and buying a new house so just for giggles, I got my credit score from all three bureaus. I own a house with a $100,000 mortgage, have two credit cards I pay off each month and other than that, I am debt free. Well, my scores came in at the high 700’s with one at 810. So, I called the credit companies and asked them why I didn’t have a score in the mid to high 800’s. They told me I had two things going against me with my credit score. The first was that I don’t have enough credit – they advised me to get more credit cards. And the second was – because I pay off my balances every month.
Go figure!
July 7th, 2007 at 12:56 pm“I have no professional qualifications to evaluate the real problems or propose solutions.”
Isn’t that that a requirement for working at Fox News? I think it’s even part of the oath that they make prospective anchors take.
July 7th, 2007 at 12:57 pmYeah, they penalize you if you pay off every month, cause they’re not getting their pint of blood out of you on a regular basis.
July 7th, 2007 at 12:58 pmOurs was 930 when we bought our house three years ago. The guy just shook his head and gave us a killer interest rate.
““I have no professional qualifications to evaluate the real problems or propose solutions.â€
Isn’t that that a requirement for working at Fox News? I think it’s even part of the oath that they make prospective anchors take.”
You got that right. And did anyone notice that not once did they say that he was an Economics professor? They just referred to him as “a professor”. Faux Noise is famous for their lies of omission.
July 7th, 2007 at 12:58 pmWhat other blog sites are good? Please list them because I can’t get the formatting keys to work and I’m getting duplicate comment messages and my comments are definitely not duplicates. ThinkProgress blogging is just too frustrating. Help!
July 7th, 2007 at 1:15 pmComment by Katie — July 7, 2007 @ 12:54 pm
Wow, Katie, you must be so proud of your daughter! Good for you! BTW, does your daughter realize now that Erin Brockovitch is a real person?:D
July 7th, 2007 at 1:15 pmAh, the jerk teaches finance. Doesn’t that make him partly responsible for the Enron Generation?
Does he teach:
How to Game the System
Creative Accounting using Offshore Banks
Corporate Shell Games 101
I despair for Americans who have had Bush, Cheney, Enron and the neo-con Crooks & Liars for role models. Who needs self-esteem when you can lie, cheat, and steal your way to the top? And who needs to think when you can download your essays? Buy an MBA online like Bush.
July 7th, 2007 at 1:16 pmHa. Actually, I think you can trace the sense of entitlement in kids to the 80s. You know, when Reagan was in office. Kids can enjoy a better standard of living than their parents had without feeling they are somehow entitled to it. The problem is that no one stresses civic involvement – it’s all about the individual.
Comment by ann — July 7, 2007 @ 12:39 pm
Hey hold there a darn minute, that might include me. Well other than the part about civic involvement.
I have found working class (usually dems) families to lack the sense of entitlement I find in the conservative homes I have been exposed to. I have a former Brother-in-Law who has really help “tie this whole room together”. The parents even subsidized a “cleaning lady” for the brief period of time he ever lived on his own. Family values?
July 7th, 2007 at 1:21 pmComment by BetterLateThanNever — July 7, 2007 @ 1:15 pm
Try downloading Firefox as your operating system. It seems to help with a lot of the problems.
Atrios, DKos, Crooks & Liars, AmericaBlog are all good. :)
July 7th, 2007 at 1:23 pmOh!! And Pick Wayne’s Brain is excellent. :)
http://www.pickwaynesbrain.blogspot.com/
July 7th, 2007 at 1:24 pmComment by Katie — July 7, 2007 @ 12:50 pm
Wow. You’ve nailed it? It’s thoughts like these that cause me to visit here. I especially appreciate the “If”
best
July 7th, 2007 at 1:25 pmthanks so much for the other sites. I’ll try firefox also. Wish me luck.
July 7th, 2007 at 1:26 pmComment by Zooey — July 7, 2007 @ 1:24 pm
Oh, Zooey, you’re too kind.
Attractive, honest, and intelligent, but too kind. ;)
Thanks.
July 7th, 2007 at 1:28 pmcrooksandliars, dailykos, tpm.tpmmuckraker…
July 7th, 2007 at 1:29 pmall fantastic sites…..
Atrios, DKos, Crooks & Liars, AmericaBlog are all good. :)
Agreed! May I respectfully add Digby and Talking Points Memo?
July 7th, 2007 at 1:30 pmThis retraction is a whole lot more than we will ever get from the morons at Fox, who think they are qualified to make evaluations on this and many other subjects.
He also had enough intellectual honesty to admit it, something utterly lacking in that “news” channel (I am looking at you, Kilmeade)
July 7th, 2007 at 1:34 pmGah. when will you libs realize that you can’t reason with us, it’s blunt force politics all the way, rewrite the rules when needed, or ignore them if thats not possible and every so often blame Clinton, we’ve been running on this baseless platform of politics forever, we’ve quietly subverted the media over time, we did learn something during Vietnam….no it wasn’t regarding the will of the majority, please you plebes must be kept in the dark, destroying Net Neutrality is our next major initiative, we didn’t see that one coming, but we’re working hard to eliminate democracy there like we’ve done with radio and TV…our method of twisting your own strongest arguments against you in conjunction with obfuscation of the facts, lying, smearing and our synergy with corporate America’s like minded objectives have neutered this democracy, let the free market reign! Enjoy the Prisoners Dilemma that we’ve installed as your life, it’s the way we do things, well in a paranoid schizophrenic way that is.
July 7th, 2007 at 1:41 pmThis retraction is a whole lot more than we will ever get from the morons at Fox, who think they are qualified to make evaluations on this and many other subjects.
He also had enough intellectual honesty to admit it, something utterly lacking in that “news†channel (I am looking at you, Kilmeade)
Comment by Gregor Samsa — July 7, 2007 @ 1:34 pm
I wonder if FNC will even acknowledge that their guest said this.
Oh, and try not to look at Kilmeade too long. He’s like the Mexican Staring Frog of Sri Lanka (or whatever that South Park frog was :D).
July 7th, 2007 at 1:46 pmThe first was that I don’t have enough credit – they advised me to get more credit cards. And the second was – because I pay off my balances every month.
Go figure!
Comment by Katie
Kind of silly to deduct points for paying everything off
July 7th, 2007 at 1:47 pmBut then again they make less off of interest.
I don’t even worry about that anymore.
I quit playing the credit game years ago.
cut up all credit cards and only buy what I can afford.
Now I have about 20k savings, couple thousand in my checking and enough stock to retire if I was to sell it off (minus capital gains tax). My Apple stock has split twice in the last 10 years heh.
I would like to know how anyone is “entitled” to the property of another.
July 7th, 2007 at 1:51 pmComment by Toliver — July 7, 2007 @ 1:51 pm
As I wish to know why anyone is entitled to the property of all
July 7th, 2007 at 1:52 pmI know what I’ve earned, but what would the “property of all” be?
July 7th, 2007 at 1:55 pmwell, that’s got to be a first. Someone who wanked for Fox News admitting (belatedly) that they don’t know what the hell they are talking about!!!!
” I have no professional qualifications to evaluate the real problems or propose solutions.” This should be the disclaimer for everyone who works at Fox News. Talk about truth in journalism!!!!
July 7th, 2007 at 1:56 pm“I wonder if FNC will even acknowledge that their guest said this.”
Comment by Wayne A. Schneider — July 7, 2007 @ 1:46 pm
Wayne you ignorant slut! Did you see the screen cap?
July 7th, 2007 at 2:00 pmToliver:
Oh just the planet and the resources upon which are nourished a mindboggling array of species. On a front closer to home: water, air, and the town common. The common good, the kindness of others, the feeling of compassion. You know all those noble things. What value is anything you have “earned” if you cherish it only for its value to you/yours. Wealth is measured differently.
July 7th, 2007 at 2:02 pmComment by Wayne A. Schneider — July 7, 2007 @ 1:28 pm
**blush**
July 7th, 2007 at 2:06 pmSOUNDS KIND OF FUNNY HEARING THE FOXNEWS ANNOUNCER DOING THE VOICE OVERS FOR AL GORES LIVE EARTH CONCERTS.
July 7th, 2007 at 2:06 pmAgreed! May I respectfully add Digby and Talking Points Memo?
Comment by Arthur C.
Absolutely!
July 7th, 2007 at 2:07 pmI know what I’ve earned, but what would the “property of all†be?
Comment by Toliver — July 7, 2007 @ 1:55 pm
Toliver:
Oh just the planet and the resources upon which are nourished a mindboggling array of species. On a front closer to home: water, air, and the town common. The common good, the kindness of others, the feeling of compassion. You know all those noble things. What value is anything you have “earned†if you cherish it only for its value to you/yours. Wealth is measured differently.
Comment by dbadass — July 7, 2007 @ 2:02 pm
Wow, that is brilliant, dbadass. Well said.
July 7th, 2007 at 2:09 pmWealth is measured differently.
Comment by dbadass — July 7, 2007 @ 2:02 pm
How did that go?
“Every man is wealthy who has friends” – Clarence Oddbody
(something like that.)
July 7th, 2007 at 2:18 pmI would like to know how anyone is “entitled†to the property of another.
Comment by Toliver
Dick Cheney’s reply…
July 7th, 2007 at 2:22 pm(holding his shotgun tightly…)
“Go ahead, ask ME that question, punk. I dare you. I double double dare you. I’m waitin’… go ahead, make my day…”
For those interested I highly recommend any of the works of Frans de Waal. The evolutionary basis of many interactions of social primates as to resource acquisition and community structure are examined in a very absorbably way even for the layperson.
Zooey: You are too kind though I have said nothing which has not been said many times and ways since are brains allowed for reflection upon ourselves
July 7th, 2007 at 2:27 pmwow, everyone at TP must be watching Live Earth(like me!!!!)
Zup Zooey!! Hope yer doin well, my POPStar(TM)!!!
July 7th, 2007 at 2:34 pmAtrios, DKos, Crooks & Liars, AmericaBlog are all good. :)
Comment by Zooey — July 7, 2007 @ 1:23 pm
And be sure to check DummieFUnnies and CU. Skinner hates ‘em but they are good!
http://www.conservativeunderground.com/forum/index.php?
http://dummiefunnies.blogspot.com/
July 7th, 2007 at 2:36 pmZooey: You are too kind though I have said nothing which has not been said many times and ways since are brains allowed for reflection upon ourselves
Comment by dbadass
I think the way you said it so simply in response to Toliver’s questions was quite profound. I think he had to go away and think for a while.
I’ll be doing some reading by Frans De Waal. Thanks, debadass. :)
July 7th, 2007 at 2:38 pmwow, everyone at TP must be watching Live Earth(like me!!!!)
Zup Zooey!! Hope yer doin well, my POPStar(TM)!!!
Comment by whiteyfresh
Doing well, whitey. :) How are the concerts?
I have no television, other than for DVDs, so I’m getting ready to go see the new Die Hard movie.
July 7th, 2007 at 2:40 pmKoRn doesn’t take back shit. Mr. Rogers ruined Jon Davis’ life:
Lyrics for: Mr. Rogers
Time has come, to realize what you are, what you’ve done tonight.
Time has come, we’ll have something to talk about.
I will too.
Looking back (dumb)
And now I realize (old man)
How much you really liked him (dumb)
This child’s mind you terrorized (old man)
You came to him (dumb)
He really didn’t know your lies (old man)
Now his innocence is gone (dumb)
He’s that child you terrorized (old man)
This fuking pain that I feel — you gave to me and you
This fuking pain that I feel — because of you
My childhood is gone — because I loved you
My childhood is gone — because I loved you
Be my neighbor
Looking back (child)
And now I realize (fuker)
How much you really loved him (child)
This child’s mind you’d hypnotized (fuker)
You came to him (child)
You really didn’t know his lies (fuker)
Now his innocence is gone (child)
I’m that child you terrorized (fuker)
This fuking hate that I feel — you gave to me and you.
This fuking pain that I feel — because of you.
My childhood is gone — because I loved you.
My childhood is gone — because I loved you.
Be my neighbor. (x2)
My neighbor…
Fred, you told me everybody was my neighbor. They took advantage of me and then they took their turns hating me. I wish I wouldn’t have watched you, but then you made my childhood a failure. What a fuking neighbor.
Fred, you told me everybody was my neighbor. They took advantage of me and then they took their turns hating me. I wish I wouldn’t have watched you, but then you made my childhood a failure…
What a fuking neighbor!
I hate you! I will too. (x3)
I hate you!
I hate you!
Be my neighbor. (x2)
This fukin’ hate that I feel!
This fukin’ pain that I feel!
My childhood is gone!
My childhood is gone!
This fukin’ hate that I feel!
July 7th, 2007 at 2:42 pmThis fukin’ pain that I feel!
My childhood is gone!
My childhood is gone!
SPINAL TAP ROCKS!!!!
July 7th, 2007 at 2:48 pmuh, you have the internet, don’t you?
http://entimg.msn.com/i/ExperienceData/p1-7/en-us/x.htm?sh=LiveEarthLive&g=9f240073-cf25-4402-bbb0-bd77c597c4ab
check it out!!
July 7th, 2007 at 2:49 pmSPINAL TAP ROCKS!!!!
Comment by whiteyfresh
Hell yeah, whitey!
Did they turn it up to eleven? :D
July 7th, 2007 at 2:50 pmUh, whitey, I have frickin’ dial up. :(
July 7th, 2007 at 2:50 pmthey had a new number installed. Twelveteen. Dangit! I forgot you had the dial up. Sorry.
July 7th, 2007 at 2:51 pmHeh. Twelveteen. Hilarious!
July 7th, 2007 at 2:52 pmThis is off topic but I gotta ask… hey, TP, are you going to post an article about Bill Orally’s latest rant, about the “Lesbian gangs packing pink pistols that are terrorizing Wash, DC”?? Please, please, pul-lease!
I can’t wait to riff on that one. Geez, the Righties are getting shriller by the day… Universal healthcare breeds terrorists… Mr. Rogers is to blame… and now, on Fox, it’s “Pistol Packin’ Lesbos On A Rampage”… I can’t wait until next yr, when they go into overdrive around the elections. It s/b fabulously entertaining.
July 7th, 2007 at 3:10 pm#42
July 7th, 2007 at 3:14 pmYou sir, are a fraud and a coward.
#61
Jonathan Davis was merely warning folks of the danger that was Fred Rogers, you sir need to get a new name, and then you may STEAL my posts as you have done here.
Typical Lefty Underhanded Cowards.
I saw that bit about gangs of lesbians! He called it a Lesbian Gang Epidemic. In the DC area alone, there are over 150 of these pistol packin’ lesbo gangs! hahahahaha! Not only that, it’s all over the country!
Woe is us.
July 7th, 2007 at 3:19 pmTypical Lefty Underhanded Cowards.
Comment by Mr. President
Indeed, so much better to be a typical rightie overhanded coward…
July 7th, 2007 at 3:19 pmZooey,
What is a straw man argument?
(nobody help her, she needs to learn)
July 7th, 2007 at 3:21 pmI saw that bit about gangs of lesbians! He called it a Lesbian Gang Epidemic.
Woe is us.
Comment by Candyce
Sounds like that one is ripe for the Roger Corman treatment, some sort of sleazy, soft-core porn flick right out of the ’60’s.
“Pistol Packin’ Lesbos”, starring Sally Struthers as “Big Momma”…
July 7th, 2007 at 3:21 pmComment by The Republic of Stupidity — July 7, 2007 @ 3:19 pm
Actually, you cowards claimed that you despised name hijacking.
More Lies!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
July 7th, 2007 at 3:22 pmActually, you cowards claimed that you despised name hijacking.
More Lies!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Comment by Mr. President
Well, my goodness, there’s a “strawman argument” for you right there!
July 7th, 2007 at 3:26 pmComment by The Republic of Stupidity — July 7, 2007 @ 3:26 pm
YOU DON’T KNOW WHAT THE WORD MEANS!!!!
July 7th, 2007 at 3:31 pm“Blah blah blah… blah blah blah blah… Blah BLAH Blah blah… blah blah blah…”
Quote from “Mr. P”
July 7th, 2007 at 3:33 pmKeep running off at the mouth TRoS.
It’s what you do best!
July 7th, 2007 at 3:35 pmThere must be a lot of mirrors where Mr. Pee is sitting, because he seems to see himself eveywhere he looks.
July 7th, 2007 at 3:36 pmIt’s what you do best!
Comment by Mr. President
So how’s that personal waste recycling program working out for you?
July 7th, 2007 at 3:38 pmWayne A. Sophist Schneider:
“Gah. when will you libs realize that you can’t reason with us, it’s blunt force politics all the way, rewrite the rules when needed, or ignore them if thats not possible and every so often blame Clinton, we’ve been running on this baseless platform of politics forever, we’ve quietly subverted the media over time, we did learn something during Vietnam….no it wasn’t regarding the will of the majority, please you plebes must be kept in the dark, destroying Net Neutrality is our next major initiative, we didn’t see that one coming, but we’re working hard to eliminate democracy there like we’ve done with radio and TV…our method of twisting your own strongest arguments against you in conjunction with obfuscation of the facts, lying, smearing and our synergy with corporate America’s like minded objectives have neutered this democracy, let the free market reign! Enjoy the Prisoners Dilemma that we’ve installed as your life, it’s the way we do things, well in a paranoid schizophrenic way that is.
Comment by Mr. President — July 7, 2007 @ 1:41 pm”
THIS IS NOT ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
BUT LOOK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
THERE IS MY NAME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
do YOU know who did this!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!!??!!
July 7th, 2007 at 3:38 pmIf you want to blame someone, blame parents like the stereotypical soccer moms who demand that their kids win or get A’s because they’re not willing to face reality.
What Mr. Rogers tried to do was teach kids that it’s OK to be themselves. The kind of “specialness” that Chance and the Fox mob was blithering on about is a smug sense of superiority that comes with impressing the powers that be. These are absolutely opposite ideas.
July 7th, 2007 at 3:53 pmwho wants to bet a small army of enraged fans gave fox and the prof an earful?
July 7th, 2007 at 3:58 pmComment by Mr. President — July 7, 2007 @ 3:38 pm
I doubted it was you anyway because I don’t think you even know what the “Prisoner’s Dilemma” is. Nor do you know what a “straw man” is. Nor do you know what a “Sophist” is.
And no, I do know know who did that. Why are you asking me? I don’t hijack other poster’s names. I have the courage to stand up, give my real name and defend my beliefs.
And you?
July 7th, 2007 at 4:03 pmComment by Wayne A. Schneider — July 7, 2007 @ 4:03 pm
You can doubt all you want. But if the following is intended as an argument of some sort: “Nor do you know what a “straw man†is. Nor do you know what a “Sophist†is.”
Well, we both know what that technique is called!
I asked you because you said:
“There must be a lot of mirrors where Mr. Pee is sitting, because he seems to see himself eveywhere he looks.
When, in fact, my name had been stolen, and is clearly visable on this thread and others.
July 7th, 2007 at 4:15 pmComment by Mr. President — July 7, 2007 @ 4:15 pm
If you were trying to imply that mine was a “straw man” argument, you have demonstrated that you do not know how touse the term correctly. I put up nothing false as an argument to refute you.
I simply stated that I doubted the poster calling itself “Mr. President” was you because I do not believe that you know what the “Prisoner’s Dilemma” is, nor a “straw man”, nor a “Sophist”. Explain those terms and I’ll start to believe that you know what your’e talking about.
And if you didn’t make so many inane posts under various idiotic names, perhaps people wouldn’t find you so easy to ridicule.
You do realize that you have not persuaded a single person here that anything you have said is correct, don’t you? (Your other personalities do not count, and they weren’t persuaded by you, they just parroted you.)
July 7th, 2007 at 4:21 pmWhen, in fact, my name had been stolen, and is clearly visable on this thread and others.
Comment by Mr. President
Why should any of us know who “stole” your name, if it actually was stolen? For all we know, you did it yourself because you can’t live without attention. there’s your strawman argument for you.
We don’t know if anyone did. If they did, how should we know who did it, and therefore, we’re all cowards??? Talk about irrational BS…
July 7th, 2007 at 5:41 pmIf “Mr. President” has a problem with his name being stolen, then he should lodge a complaint with TP like the rest of us have. If they do something about it for him, then maybe they’ll do the same for us.
And you’re right, TRoS. How were we supposed to be able to tell the difference?
July 7th, 2007 at 5:50 pmAh, irrational BS. How succinctly that describes Mr Pee’s entire schtick.
July 7th, 2007 at 6:01 pmWell, of course it’s not Mr Pee. See
The fake Mr President actually knows how to right and compose an argument. The imposter has rhetorical flair. Mr Pee, on the other hand, has to resort to endless streams of punctuation and allcaps to give any weight to his bleatings.
Mr Pee is a strawman. And it’s so obvious by the ease with which everyone can knock down his arguments. Now, if he were Mr Sh!t, his ranting might carry more weigth, but he’d still be excrement.
July 7th, 2007 at 6:22 pmOT – but I just have to….
Just returned from a viewing of SICKO, which I highly recommend. It will make you laugh and it will make you cry. I couldn’t speak for a while after the movie ended, I was so choked up.
Then we got home and found that LIVE-EARTH is on Bravo. I was going to watch the NBC replay later, but this is great! Melissa Etheridge was absolutely fantastic.
July 7th, 2007 at 7:26 pmComment by david — July 7, 2007 @ 6:22 pm
You idiots shouldn’t use a term if you don’t know the meaning.
July 7th, 2007 at 7:42 pmComment by Wayne A. Schneider — July 7, 2007 @ 5:50 pm
I ain’t no snitch!!!
July 7th, 2007 at 7:42 pmSource one, the college Finance professor admits he is not qualified to comment on children’s television or Fred Rogers. The other source the Wall Street Journal used to smear the memory of Fred Rogers was a single anonymous post on an internet message board. The WSJ should be ashamed.
The only thing that surprised me was that the WSJ didn’t slip in a hard-core wing nut quote from American Family Associated on the benefits of beating children with a stick.
July 7th, 2007 at 8:29 pmI ain’t no snitch!!!
Comment by Mr. President
If you will take no action to stop the name hijacking, then stop b*tching about it.
July 7th, 2007 at 10:14 pmI thought the 3 stooges were dead
July 8th, 2007 at 6:40 pmIf the “experts” being quoted by FOX continue to back out of their own quotes like this, then FOX will just have to start making up fictional experts.
“Professor Franks from Ebonia University just said….”
July 8th, 2007 at 7:04 pmHe was man enough to retract his comments. But I wouldn’t be surprised if Mr. Rogers’s estate still sued him.
July 8th, 2007 at 10:22 pmProfessor Chance was also kind enough to email a personal response to my acerbic tirade, so that was appreciated too.
Notably, Zaslow of the WSJ, aslo on the recipient list, said not a peep.
This may be a case of right wing media like the WSJ and Fox run amok.
July 8th, 2007 at 10:28 pmI’ll bet almost everyone of those who posted a critical comment of Prof Chance is a card-carrying member of the entitlement generation. To paraphrase Shakespeare, methinks they doth protest too much. Clearly, they lost sight of the forest for the trees. Prof Chance never said Mr Rogers was the root cause of their sense of entitlement. He merely posited that Mr Rogers contributed to that sense of entitlement, which was, and continues to be, fed from numerous sources.
July 19th, 2007 at 7:03 am