Conyers Raises Specter Of Impeachment, Highlights Support For Removing Bush And Cheney
Conyers Raises Specter Of Impeachment, Highlights Support For Removing Bush And Cheney
This morning on ABC’s This Week, House Judiciary Committee Chairman John Conyers (D-MI) highlighted the new American Research Group poll showing that nearly half of Americans want the House of Representatives to begin impeachment proceedings against President Bush, and 54 percent favor impeachment hearings for Vice President Cheney.
ABC’s George Stephanopoulos asked Conyers today about new reports that the White House will refuse new congressional requests for documents about the U.S. Attorney firings.
Conyers decried the administration’s stonewalling, adding, “We’re hoping that as the cries for the removal of both Cheney and Bush now reach 46 percent and 58 percent [sic - 54 percent], respectively, for impeachment that we could begin to become a little bit more cooperative, if not amicable, in trying to get to the truth of these matters.” Watch it:
Stephanopoulos responded, “I’m surprised you put impeachment on the table there. Are you open to pursuing that?” Conyers said he was not putting it “on the table,” merely pointing out the views of the American people.
Transcript:
STEPHANOPOULOS: One of those individuals is the former White House deputy political director, Sara Taylor. Her lawyer wrote a letter yesterday saying that she wants to testify, but the White House won’t let her.
In that case, who would you hold in contempt, the individual or the White House? Her lawyers think she wants to testify.
CONYERS: Well, I certainly wouldn’t hold her in contempt. And we’re in negotiations with Mr. Fielding in the White House. We’re hoping that as the cries for the removal of both Cheney and Bush now reach 46 percent and 58 percent, respectively, for impeachment that we could begin to become a little bit more cooperative, if not amicable, in trying to get to the truth of these matters.
We have so much more work to do, George, as you know. And we keep getting stalled. They keep pressing us. We’re seeking cooperation. This is not partisan in any way whatsoever. I would have the same attitude if it were a Democratic president.
STEPHANOPOULOS: Congressman, we’re just about out of time. But I’m surprised you put impeachment on the table there. Are you open to pursuing that?
CONYERS: No, I didn’t put impeachment on the table. I was just telling you that 46 percent of the American people polled want Bush impeached, and 58 percent want Cheney impeached. I’m saying…
STEPHANOPOULOS: But not you?
CONYERS: They’re saying that we could — we could move — no, well, if I — if I wanted impeachment, I would probably be on your program next Sunday.
STEPHANOPOULOS: OK. Well, Mr. Chairman, thank you very much.
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It’s time to raise more than just the specter of impeachment, but at least it’s a start.
Impeachment needs to proceed because it’s the right thing to do - no matter how impossible it may seem.
It’s about restoring the Constitution and the rule of law. period.
Some reading:
“Clarification of the Uses of Impeachment”
July 8th, 2007 at 11:24 amhttp://www.populistamerica.com/ clarification_of_the_uses_of_impeachment
Put on the table and serve it up! Listen to the other polls that don’t rate Congress too favorably. Wonder why? You haven’t listened to what the majority of Americans want and that is the US out of Iraq.
Or would you rather wait until these clowns bomb Iran?
July 8th, 2007 at 11:26 amI think Cheney needs to be impeached first. I blame him for all of the problems this country is in. I think he has WAY too much power.
GWB needs impeached too. Unfortunately, I don’t think Hillary will support impeachment of both GWB and Cheney. If she did, she would not become the first woman president.
At the end of the day, it is still all about Hillary in Washington, D.C.
July 8th, 2007 at 11:29 amPut it on the table!
The police don’t not arrest a criminal because of what the jury might do.
DA’s don’t not prosecute people because of what the jury might do.
Worrying about the votes is a lame excuse for allowing criminals to roam free.
Impeach!
July 8th, 2007 at 11:31 amIf Cheney were impeached and convicted, do you think he’d actually be removed from power? I have to wonder if he’d still be able to operate his double-plus secret “4th Branch” even after losing his title as Vice President.
July 8th, 2007 at 11:31 amIt is time to impeach Cheney and give him a prison term of 10 to 20 years. No pardon for him either. Once Dicky is gone, then Bush might shut his yapper or impeach him too.
July 8th, 2007 at 11:31 amThey’re saying that we could — we could move — no, well, if I — if I wanted impeachment, I would probably be on your program next Sunday.
Allow me to rephrase:
The American people want Impeachment, but…..well…..ummmmm we don’t think….. ummmmm. Alright really we can’t do it. We really need them to stay there because they are the boogyman and people keep joining our side, which will help in 2008. It’s really better for us if we don’t move on that and wait it out. Doing the right thing is completely different than doing what is best for us right now.
July 8th, 2007 at 11:33 amDoing the right thing is completely different than doing what is best for us right now.
Comment by Tundra — July 8, 2007 @ 11:33 am
As much as I hate to agree with you, :D I do…
Some of the Democrats have learned what tricks the neocons employed, and are simply willing to use the same tactics… Nevermind what is right.
July 8th, 2007 at 11:37 amAnyone in this government, NOT activly working to IMPEACH all of these bastards cannot be working with the bset interests of United States,its Citizens or the future of either in mind.
July 8th, 2007 at 11:37 amComment by unbelievable — July 8, 2007 @ 11:37 am
I think(Opinion noted) that our representatives enjoy the partisan bickering. It allows them to follow a line and not represent their constituents. I find it hard to believe that the states are as divided as they all make it out to look. With so many votes following party lines you have to wonder. There are many shades of Liberal and many shades of conservative. I would expect to see “some” liberal states disagreeing with each liberal law, and vice versa based on what the people of that area feel.
They all feel that they know what we “need” vs what we want and it’s their job to do that for us. I want representatives not managers in those positions.
July 8th, 2007 at 11:50 amDoing the right thing is completely different than doing what is best for us right now.
Comment by Tundra
And the republicans are playing the same game. Every call from a republican for a “change of course” in Iraq is accompanied by a statement that they don’t want withdrawl now, but somewhere down the road. The dems will need significant help from republicans to change course, and realize they don’t have the votes without republican help. Calling out dems for their tactics without acknowledging that it is simply a reaction to political reality, that they don’t have the votes without major defections from the GOP, is a rather myopic view of the political situation.
July 8th, 2007 at 11:52 am“I think(Opinion noted) that our representatives enjoy the partisan bickering. It allows them to follow a line and not represent their constituents.”
Yet stangely, your first post only references democrats. Odd.
July 8th, 2007 at 11:55 amAnyone care to join me in a little shopping excursion to Ethan Allen? I hear they have some lovely tables and I would be more than happy to ship one to Ms. Pelosi!
July 8th, 2007 at 11:57 amI’d love to see that schvartzer try it! This guy is so unbelievable. Why dont you dems go back to smoking your weed and your same sex marriages! Either love the president and the US or leave it!
July 8th, 2007 at 11:57 amTundra,
On this, you are completely correct. The people on the Hill do not listen to their constituents and vote along those lines. They vote along party lines, or they vote along lobbyist lines. They rarely vote how the constituents they represent would vote in their place. That is simply wrong, on many levels, and they do a disservice to the republic as a whole.
Get the damned money out of politics. Politicians are now so used to the system being broken, that they no longer feel constrained to vote in the interest of their constituency. The system is corrupted, and must be purged, cleansed, and begun anew.
How can any politician voting along party lines if that vote disagrees with their constituency? How can any politician vote for a measure their state vehemently opposes, because they recieved favors, bribes, or back-scratching from some corporate interest? How can they continue to do so without being removed from office?
I agree with you utterly, Tundra. We want REPRESENTATIVES, not MANAGEMENT.
July 8th, 2007 at 11:58 amTo read the Art II powers of the President as providing an absolute privilege as against a subpoena essential to enforcement of criminal statutes on no more than a generalized claim of the public interest in confidentiality of non-military and nondiplomatic discussions would upset the constitutional balance of a “workable government†and gravely impair the role of the courts under Art III.
United States v. Nixon [1974]
What the heck is wrong with you?!?!? I have friends who were so exited to be moving to San Fransisco, and to have you as their representative, but now, even they aren’t sure where you are coming from. A majority of the country wants impeachment BACK on the table, at least for (Vice) President Cheney. Do you need me to forward the absolutely RIDICULOUS amount of evidence that supports this call to action? I just don’t understand how you can claim to be for Democracy asnd Freedom, yet you are HURTING AMERICA by allowing this regime to run this country! A wise man once said(paraphrasing) that through INaction, you are just as guilty as those who perpetrated the crime. America will not forget that YOU let these thieves continue to ruin this once great country. YOU are the one who sat idly by and let them destroy America. YOU are the one who will not be back as Speaker of the House if you don’t actually take some action against the incredible amount of damage done to our Democracy and our country each and every day this cabal is still in power.
They are NOT going to “play niceâ€.
They are NOT going to turn over documents.
They are NOT going to let anyone who is employed by or has EVER worked at the White House EVER testify(which I thought wasn’t legal in and of itself. I thought Executive Priveledge only applied to current employees. Not the janitor who worked at the White House in 2004.
Please. PLEASE. Listen to America. DO NOT fail us, or YOU will become labeled as weak. We(Americans) want to support you, but you make it so hard, so very hard, for us to back what you say when you don’t listen to what America says it wants. You claim to be working for America, so prove it. PUT IMPEACHMENT BACK ON THE TABLE, or you may find yourself filling a new(and lesser) role in the House of Representatives. This is NOT to be construed as a threat in any way, this is just the truth. America is sick, you hold the cure in your hands, and you wont use the medicine.
A SEVERLY dissapointed(and a little bit scared) American.
***just posted this to Nancy Pelosi’s contact page***
****sigh****
July 8th, 2007 at 12:00 pmComment by unbelievable — July 8, 2007 @ 11:31 am
Good point, unbelievable,
They can’t be worrying about what might or might not happen in the end. This can’t be one of their political games where they only proceeed if they know they an “win”. The Republicans knew damn well they couldn’t get enough votes to remove Clinton from office, but they just wanted to please their base, so they played the game and put on the show and blamed the Democrats for losing.
This situation is different because both Bush and Cheney have not simply ignored the constitution, they used it as toilet paper. And they have done so in a way to cover up with is obviously a lot of wrongdoing on their part. And that is not a justifiable reason to claim Executive Privilege, as the Supremes ruled in UNITED STATES v. NIXON, 418 U.S. 683 (1974) (which should be required reading for anyone trying to defend thas administration’s actions.)
July 8th, 2007 at 12:00 pmEither love the president and the US or leave it!
Comment by Redneck, Redstate
Okay, who left the door open and let one of those “26%ers” in ?
July 8th, 2007 at 12:01 pmMsjoanne:what a great idea!!!Everyone who can reasonably afford it should send Pelosi “tables” of all sizes for her to put impeachment back on..
July 8th, 2007 at 12:01 pmAnd the republicans are playing the same game.
I fully agree.
Yet stangely, your first post only references democrats. Odd.
Where?
Perhaps you took my “Impeachment” vs “Anti Impeachment” crowd to mean Democrat and Republican?
July 8th, 2007 at 12:03 pmConyers is a lying sack of scum. Where did he get 58% from?
July 8th, 2007 at 12:06 pmSephanopolous is wrong!!! Conyers didn’t put impeachment on the table any more than Nancy Pelosi took it off. The Constitution put impeachment on the table and there it remains, until there is a Constitutional amendment to remove it!!!!
It is the proscribed remedy for an out of control executive branch!!!!
The impeachment process should have been begun the moment the democrats took the majority, because there was more than enough evidence of criminal activity by this administration.
THE CANCER REMAINS
July 8th, 2007 at 12:08 pmI want representatives not managers in those positions.
Comment by Tundra — July 8, 2007 @ 11:50 am
I keep trying to point this put to my “representatives” and they keep ignoring me… I will enjoy firing one of them next year to show him who is boss. I just hope the rest of my neighbors do the same… Though around here, a Rape-ublican is better than any liberal to a lot of rednecks…
July 8th, 2007 at 12:08 pmOOJ
July 8th, 2007 at 12:10 pmOBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE. NUUF SAID
All this hemming and hawing has reached a critical stage. Conyers all but fainted when serious talk of “i” came up.
The US House of Representatives is condoning the behavior of a traitor or two in the White House.
Perhaps it is time to seriously raise the anger level about the traitors sitting in the House. They’ve got more than enough evidence to do something.
July 8th, 2007 at 12:10 pmComment by Tundra — July 8, 2007 @ 11:50 am
I agree with your conclusions, but not necessarily your reasoning. I do not see this as a liberal-conservative issue. I see it as a libertarian-authoritarian issue. The libertarian sides of us(not just you and me, but everyone) do not want to see government officials blantently abuse their powers with impunity. But the authoritarians out there (the infamous 26%-ers) do not believe in challenging authority, and will resist.
Here’s the thing. While the country may be divided, more or less, evenly on the liberal-conservative line (not Democrats and Republicans, this includes unaffiliateds), on the libertarian-authoritarian line we outnumber them by about 3-1. THAT is what Congress needs to open their eyes and recognize.
July 8th, 2007 at 12:11 pmAnyone care to join me in a little shopping excursion to Ethan Allen? I hear they have some lovely tables and I would be more than happy to ship one to Ms. Pelosi!
Comment by MsJoanne — July 8, 2007 @ 11:57 am
Hilarious! :D
July 8th, 2007 at 12:12 pmThe strategy should be to impeach Cheney since he is the driver of all bad actions in this administration and leave the commander-in-bad judgement intact as a reminder to the American voter what you get when you get a Republican president.
You get a president that does not really believe in the good that gov’t can do for its citizens and goes out of his way to prove how bad gov’t can be.
Bush is a lame duck anyways. Without Cheney trying drum up another war with Iran and with the US attorney, Plamegate, breaking the FISA laws and condoning torture and on and on and on. This Bush will be the flag-bearer for what a bad idea the neo-con agenda is for this country and for the world for that matter.
July 8th, 2007 at 12:12 pmm12 got the Sunday shift today on orders of Karl Rove > lol.
July 8th, 2007 at 12:14 pmConyers is a lying sack of scum. Where did he get 58% from?
Comment by m12 — July 8, 2007 @ 12:06 pm
The article notes that 54% is the correct number. Read it and weep fool:
http://www.americanresearchgroup.com/
July 8th, 2007 at 12:15 pmI’d love to see that schvartzer try it! This guy is so unbelievable. Why dont you dems go back to smoking your weed and your same sex marriages! Either love the president and the US or leave it!
Comment by Redneck, Redstate
If you’re going to be a moronic weak-assed authoritarian racist, do try to get your terms correct.
July 8th, 2007 at 12:17 pmEither love the president and the US or leave it!
Comment by Redneck, Redstate
That is one of the most Un-American things an American can say.
July 8th, 2007 at 12:17 pm#30
So Conyers cannot read a number off a sheet of paper? Why is he lying to the American public?
Impeach!
July 8th, 2007 at 12:17 pmComment by Wayne A. Schneider — July 8, 2007 @ 12:00 pm
Thanks Wayne. And you too :D
Ever since I realized that Newton’s Third Law of Motion (For every action there is an equal and OPPOSITE reaction) also applies to Human relationships, it’s become easier to see where things keep going wrong… By people assuming the opposite of the law.
You don’t get repect by taking respect. You get respect by giving respect. Same is true with our “Representatives” doing the wrong things (putting the people and Constitution over self), and therefore getting back the wrong things (low approval rating, and possibly worse).
Note: For the brain dead trolls - because it’s the law of MOTION, the actions and their opposite reactions are found in action/reaction verbs only…
July 8th, 2007 at 12:18 pmIt’s simple. Impeach now. Last chance. These people will never relinquish power.
July 8th, 2007 at 12:20 pmChuch Shumer has just announced on CBS (on the west coast) his intention to ask Fitz to testify over the commutation. It will be interesting to see how the republicans on the committee treat him. They won’t be trying to make the case that congressional oversight on this issue is just partisan politics, I predict.
July 8th, 2007 at 12:20 pmConyers is a lying sack of scum. Where did he get 58% from?
Comment by m12 — July 8, 2007 @ 12:06 pm
You’re projecting again, our regular little liar who couldn’t point out a fact if it came wrapped in identifying labels…
Take your pick:
http://www.google.com/ search?hl=en&q=percentage+of+people+who+want+impeachment+of+cheney&btnG=Google+Search
July 8th, 2007 at 12:21 pm#37
The number in your link is 54%. Conyers used the number 58%. Therefore, he lied, and should be removed from office.
July 8th, 2007 at 12:23 pmThough around here, a Rape-ublican is better than any liberal to a lot of rednecks…
Comment by unbelievable — July 8, 2007 @ 12:08 pm
Maybe you can convince them to cast their votes for another conservative candidate, like the Conservative Party or Right-To-Life Party line candidate, even if it’s the same person. Send the message to the Republicans and Democrats that their days of controlling Congress as the only two parties are over.
July 8th, 2007 at 12:25 pmMy apologies, Tundra. Reading your post, I thought you were only referencing democrats. Perhaps you could be more specific than “we” next time, because that’s the way it reads to me.
July 8th, 2007 at 12:25 pmOh. He made a small numerical mistake. Yes, that’s far worse than say, starting an illegal war based on faulty intelligence.
Watch m12 try and play this up as best he can. You can’t face the FACT that over half of the people in this country want the VP impeached!! Let’s discuss the significance of that for a moment or two.
July 8th, 2007 at 12:27 pmThe number in your link is 54%. Conyers used the number 58%. Therefore, he lied, and should be removed from office.
Comment by m12 — July 8, 2007 @ 12:23 pm
Precisely why no one takes you seriously…
You didn’t click on my link…
You defend people who are torching the Constitution, but then want to declare the death penalty over the fact that polls come with a caveat of a few percentage points…
July 8th, 2007 at 12:28 pmm12 > are you a Republican college age guy who hangs on TP for some extra money or is this your full time job for Karl Rove?
July 8th, 2007 at 12:28 pm#42
Please explain where Conyers got 58% from then, unless he lied!
July 8th, 2007 at 12:28 pm“I’d love to see that schvartzer try it! This guy is so unbelievable. Why dont you dems go back to smoking your weed and your same sex marriages! Either love the president and the US or leave it!”
Comment by Redneck, Redstate — July 8, 2007 @ 11:57 am
This is so wrong on so many levels, I don’t know where to start. Oh, yeah: SCHVARTZER?!! Why didn’t you just call Conyers the ‘n’ word, you frickin racist hatemonger? Either that or just post the whole comment in ‘the original German’?
Go back to your redneck redstate and go screw your sister!
July 8th, 2007 at 12:29 pmOh. He made a small numerical mistake. Yes, that’s far worse than say, starting an illegal war based on faulty intelligence.
So now lies are ‘mistakes’? Well, that explains your support of Bill Clinton!
July 8th, 2007 at 12:29 pmSadly, m12 is one of those poor folks who is deluded enough to think that Bush and Cheney are somehow fighting for him. He can’t even realize that HE is the one getting screwed out of this whole deal.
July 8th, 2007 at 12:29 pmCan we go back and find one of your mistakes and then declare that you are no longer allowed to post here? That would be pretty easy and would make us all a lot happier.
July 8th, 2007 at 12:30 pmThe number in your link is 54%. Conyers used the number 58%. Therefore, he lied, and should be removed from office.
But lying to go to war is ok? Lying about outing an entire CIA covert operation is ok? Lying about WMD is ok? All that’s ok, right? What an idiot you are and this post certainly magnifies that to the nth degree. Heckuva job!
July 8th, 2007 at 12:30 pmPlease explain where Conyers got 58% from then, unless he lied!
Comment by m12 — July 8, 2007 @ 12:28 pm
I already did.
When a poll says that it has an error margin, it creates a RANGE. For example, and error margin of 4 would give you a range of 50-58, with 54 being the median. 58 is within the range, and therefore technically, not incorrect.
July 8th, 2007 at 12:31 pm“Therefore, he lied, and should be removed from office.”
Comment by m12 — July 8, 2007 @ 12:23 pm
And you should be removed from the human race, since you lie like a 5/$5 rug.
July 8th, 2007 at 12:31 pmJane, AMEN sistah!!
Appalling isn’t it?
How about Rethugliecon Joel Dykstra calling rape and incest buzzwords? You wonder how low some people can get…but that bottom keeps dropping lower and lower and lower.
July 8th, 2007 at 12:33 pmCan we go back and find one of your mistakes and then declare that you are no longer allowed to post here? That would be pretty easy and would make us all a lot happier.
Comment by Vinnie — July 8, 2007 @ 12:30 pm
I’ll endorse that… Also for Mr. President, Flaco, CT486, and the rest of the mindless trolls.
July 8th, 2007 at 12:33 pmWhen your position is pathetic as m12’s is, you have to cling to every little thing you can.
m12,
Can you explain why 54% of the American people, and even 51% of independents, support the impeachment of Cheney? That seems rather remarkable don’t you think? Can you even address this one FACT?
July 8th, 2007 at 12:34 pm54%… 58%… what does it matter ? It’s past 49%.. Pick a poll, Bush’s approval rating is 29%, 28%, 27%, etc… What matters is, as a grade point, it’s an F. Pure and simple failure…
As far as Cheney goes, I have taken a poll in my extended family and it’s 85%…. so your point ???
July 8th, 2007 at 12:34 pm#50
http://www.americanresearchgroup.com/
Too bad the poll you cited has a 3% margin of error, not a 4%!
Based on 1,100 completed telephone interviews among a random sample of adults nationwide July 3-5, 2007. The theoretical margin of error is plus or minus 3 percentage points, 95% of the time. Of the total sample, 933 interviews were completed among registered voters.
You might want to check facts before spouting your stupidity.
July 8th, 2007 at 12:34 pmI’ll endorse that… Also for Mr. President, Flaco, CT486, and the rest of the mindless trolls.
Comment by unbelievable — July 8, 2007 @ 12:33 pm
That may be assuming that they are different people. :D
July 8th, 2007 at 12:35 pm54%… 58%… what does it matter ? It’s past 49%.. Pick a poll, Bush’s approval rating is 29%, 28%, 27%, etc… What matters is, as a grade point, it’s an F. Pure and simple failure…
As far as Cheney goes, I have taken a poll in my extended family and it’s 85%…. so your point ???
For one, your extended family is clearly a bunch of moonbats.
July 8th, 2007 at 12:35 pmTHE CANCER REMAINS
Millions of Americans cry out for the impeachment of Dick Cheney and George Bush!!!!
54% of Americans say that Dick Cheney should be impeached and 46% say his sock puppet George Bush should be impeached.
There is a cancer in our country!!!! A thirty year old cancer, and it is growing and infecting and killing America.
Over 30 years ago John Dean told Richard Nixon there was a cancer on the presidency. He was right and he was wrong. Nixon was the cancer, but it was in the body of America.
The small tumor was removed, but the cancer was not destroyed. When Gerald Ford pardoned Nixon, he allowed the cancer to survive. He said that we needed to forget the cancer in order to heal the nation. You don’t cure cancer by forgetting it. So the cancer cells were allowed to remain in the body and to matasticize. The cancer is back in the executive branch, but now it has invaded the legislative branch and the judicial branch.
The cancer is killing America, and if America is to be saved, then the cancer must be destroyed.
It must be cut out of the body through impeachment, it must be irradiated through prosecution and it must be eradicated from the body through the chemotherapy of justice.
It will not be easy or fast but it is imperative if America is to be saved.
And then just like cancer survivors, there needs to be regular checkups to make sure the cancer never returns again.
Impeachment must start now and followed through completely to the end.
July 8th, 2007 at 12:36 pm“Also for Mr. President, Flaco, CT486, and the rest of the mindless trolls.”
Comment by unbelievable — July 8, 2007 @ 12:33 pm
Who may or may not be all one disturbed personality. (Not that all trolls aren’t disturbed!)
Thanks, MsJoanne!
July 8th, 2007 at 12:36 pmYou might want to check facts before spouting your stupidity.
Comment by m12 — July 8, 2007 @ 12:34 pm
Ditto to YOU, dickweed. Your error-filled posts often contain some of the most moronic exhibits of “reasoning” I have ever seen. You are the exactly kind of person I had in mind when I came up with the word “Acerebralist”.
July 8th, 2007 at 12:37 pmYou know I might have made mistake with the term “schvartzer”, and I’m sorry. But we have a saying in the South, you can take the boy out of the south but you can’t take the south out of the boy.
Now getting back to this issue. What’s the big deal over all this. Our prankster in chief has a few frat boy moments and you guys want to investigate all day and night. Its a stressful job. If you guys cant lighten up, then you should try running for prez.
July 8th, 2007 at 12:37 pmToo bad the poll you cited has a 3% margin of error, not a 4%!
Too bad you referenced me to someone else’s post. I posted a link to the google results for a search, and provided a myriad of as many matches as google found. Not just one poll.
Based on 1,100 completed telephone interviews among a random sample of adults nationwide July 3-5, 2007. The theoretical margin of error is plus or minus 3 percentage points, 95% of the time. Of the total sample, 933 interviews were completed among registered voters.
Well, at least you’ve learned something … Not you’ve really gotta work on those crirtical thinking skills…
You might want to check facts before spouting your stupidity.
Comment by m12 — July 8, 2007 @ 12:34 pm
LOL… You mean just like you didn’t? LOL
July 8th, 2007 at 12:38 pmWayne, remember that facts to neocons are like silver bullets and garlic to vampires. If only it was that easy to kill the vampires that are sucking the lifeblood out of our country.
July 8th, 2007 at 12:39 pmThat may be assuming that they are different people. :D
Comment by Wayne A. Schneider — July 8, 2007 @ 12:35 pm
I figure different split personalities :D
July 8th, 2007 at 12:39 pm“Acerebralistâ€.
Comment by Wayne A. Schneider
Was that you? i came up with Cheese Flavored Condums. patent pending.
Not really the same thing, is it?
July 8th, 2007 at 12:39 pmyou can take the boy out of the south but you can’t take the south out of the boy.
Meaning you can’t take the racist out of the man.
You’re a disgusting slice of nonhumanity.
July 8th, 2007 at 12:40 pm#63
Show me 1 poll which has a 54% impeachment rating with a 4% margin of error. The first 3 links in your google search come back to the Americanresearchgroup.
July 8th, 2007 at 12:40 pm#61
I’m not the one lying on TV like Conyers.
July 8th, 2007 at 12:41 pmm12, whom you’re lying to is yourself.
Sad but true.
July 8th, 2007 at 12:42 pmgo screw your sister!
Comment by Jane E. Schneider
Uh, she alredy turned him down. Something about a “personaly hygiene issue”. He’s now courting the family sheep.
“Daisy, will you marry me?”
“You’re a b-a-a-a-d man…”
July 8th, 2007 at 12:43 pmComment by willyloman — July 8, 2007 @ 12:39 pm
Yep, willy, that was me. I’m guilty as charged.
But your term certainly has more “flavor”. :D
July 8th, 2007 at 12:43 pmShow me 1 poll which has a 54% impeachment rating with a 4% margin of error. The first 3 links in your google search come back to the Americanresearchgroup.
Comment by m12 — July 8, 2007 @ 12:40 pm
Still harping on one slip-up of numbers by Conyers. Is that really all you got? You mean you got on this message board to argue against Conyers and for Cheney and all you have to bring to this board is the fact that Conyers slipped up and said 58% when the actual number is 54%. This was already noted in the article itself.
Please tell me that you have some other point to make besides this trivial point. We’re waiting. If you have nothing else to say, you may now leave.
July 8th, 2007 at 12:43 pmComment by Redneck, Redstate — July 8, 2007 @ 12:37 pm
Not much of an apology, ‘boy’. Not to mention the rest of this post. Does American want a “prankster in chief” as a world leader? Would you consider Ahmedinejad to be Iran’s “prankster in chief”? “Frat boy moments” are stupid and immature even for frat boys, why should they be excused for the President of the United States and our Commander-in-Chief? Oh, ‘cuz it’s “hard work”, right? Jeez.
We have to go out for a while, everyone have fun whacking these ignorant trolls!
July 8th, 2007 at 12:45 pm#70
Nobody is lying except John Conyers.
Then again maybe he isn’t lying. Given that he is foolish enough to come up with a $2 trillion annual healthcare plan, perhaps he cannot distinguish between 4s and 8s.
July 8th, 2007 at 12:45 pm#73
Are you admitting that unbelievable and Conyers are liars?
July 8th, 2007 at 12:45 pmShow me 1 poll which has a 54% impeachment rating with a 4% margin of error. The first 3 links in your google search come back to the Americanresearchgroup.
Comment by m12 — July 8, 2007
if the OVP and the President weren’t refusing to turn over documents and emails and forcing ex-employees to refuse Congressional subpoena’s and covering for assistents who lied and perjured themselves on the stand, then the 4% plus or minus would be meaningless. Everyone would want them impeached. Except you trolls of course. you would still be arguing about a percentage point.
July 8th, 2007 at 12:46 pmI’m not the one lying on TV like Conyers.
Comment by m12
No, you’re lying like m12 on TP… ooops, you ARE m12. Hey, you lie just like yourself! Good one, Li’l Buddy, good one.
Here’s the scoop on Conyers. He was doing “future speak”. I mean, let’s face it, Li’l Pal, if 54% of the public want Bush’s A** grilled this week, you KNOW it’s gonna hit 58% really soon, perhaps by noon. So, in all honesty, just post-date Conyer’s comment by another half hr to 45 min and it’ll be JUST FINE! Thank you for listening. You may now go back to your regularly scheduled WAAAAAAAH…
July 8th, 2007 at 12:47 pmWhen the GOP looks for it’s next campaign song it should be Twist and Shout for they are classic at twisting truth and shouting bull$hit.
July 8th, 2007 at 12:47 pmSeriously, how old is m12 - because he or she argues with the sophistication of a 12 year old, if that. Stop engaging - at that age, logic and facts don’t work. Only sending to their room does. Should just say, I’m older and wiser, so what I say goes. That type of dictate should be soothing to someone who likes to put their life in the hands of incompetent morons currently occupying the presidency
July 8th, 2007 at 12:48 pmHere’s the scoop on Conyers. He was doing “future speakâ€. I mean, let’s face it, Li’l Pal, if 54% of the public want Bush’s A** grilled this week, you KNOW it’s gonna hit 58% really soon, perhaps by noon. So, in all honesty, just post-date Conyer’s comment by another half hr to 45 min and it’ll be JUST FINE! Thank you for listening. You may now go back to your regularly scheduled WAAAAAAAH…
Ah, I see. When Bush said Iraq had weapons of mass destruction and that America does not ‘torture’, he was using ‘future speak’ as well.
July 8th, 2007 at 12:50 pmThe south will rise again!
Up from its belly to its knees, to suckle at the teets of ignorance, hatred, and greed
July 8th, 2007 at 12:51 pmThen again maybe he isn’t lying. Given that he is foolish enough to come up with a $2 trillion annual healthcare plan, perhaps he cannot distinguish between 4s and 8s.
Comment by m12 — July 8, 2007 @ 12:45 pm
$2 trillion is already what the United States spends annually on health care, dingle berry… He was just showing you what it could buy INSTEAD. Jesus Christ.
July 8th, 2007 at 12:51 pmAre you admitting that unbelievable and Conyers are liars?
Comment by m12 — July 8, 2007 @ 12:45 pm
No, I think Conyers got the number wrong by accident. It happens to all of us. Besides, you have to admit the two numbers are pretty close.
Again, you’ve made your point already. Please move on.
July 8th, 2007 at 12:52 pm$2 trillion is already what the United States spends annually on health care, dingle berry… He was just showing you what it could buy INSTEAD. Jesus Christ.
Hey, in your world, since 4% = 3%, perhaps $2 trillion can actually be extended to $3 trillion!
July 8th, 2007 at 12:54 pmAgain, you’ve made your point already. Please move on.
Comment by Vinnie
i think thats all hes got. He’ll start blaming Clinton in a minute and then resort to calling me an Islamo-Stalinist or something.
July 8th, 2007 at 12:55 pmHey, Conyers should have said he was not putting it “OFF the table,†because American voters may WANT it ON the table if more about this administration comes to light.
We may be on the verge of getting some major dirt on this administration and there is this uneasy feeling, and we can see it coming from conservatives voters who are not exactly in tune with Bush conservatism anymore or his genuine lack of real conservative values.
ALSO, Dems should not be scared to approach the Supreme Court bench, because Dems need to know how paritisan the bench is going to play the Bush loyalist card. Bushie conservatism wasn’t good for the conservative party - so I’m thinking Bushie conservatism won’t be good for SCOTUS either and I’m kind of wanting to see if Chief Justice Roberts can distinguish the difference. Whatever happens, if its good for Repugs, it’ll be good for Dems in power too.
I say declare Bush, Cheney in contempt and proceed forthwith…
July 8th, 2007 at 1:01 pmWe have to go out for a while, everyone have fun whacking these ignorant trolls!
Comment by Jane E. Schneider
Indeed, Sunday Morning Whack-A-Troll!
July 8th, 2007 at 1:03 pmm12 would shove his mother into traffic in order to pick up a quarter in the gutter.
July 8th, 2007 at 1:05 pmAh, I see. When Bush said Iraq had weapons of mass destruction and that America does not ‘torture’, he was using ‘future speak’ as well.
Comment by m12
Huh??? WTF are you talking about?? THAT makes no sense at all…
(Pssst… fool, my post was sarcastic - YOUR comments are inane… there is a big difference. You’re not making any sense at all… FYI…)
July 8th, 2007 at 1:05 pmm12 would shove his mother into traffic in order to pick up a quarter in the gutter.
Comment by Zooey — July 8, 2007 @ 1:05 pm
I think you’re giving him too much credit, Zooey. I think he’d do it for a nickel.
July 8th, 2007 at 1:08 pmi think thats all hes got. He’ll start blaming Clinton in a minute and then resort to calling me an Islamo-Stalinist or something.
There is no need. Conyers might have been Clinton’s lapdog for 8 years, and in Feb. 2001 defending the Marc Rich pardons, but I hope Conyers has moved out on his own now.
July 8th, 2007 at 1:10 pmm12 would shove his mother into traffic in order to pick up a quarter in the gutter.
Comment by Zooey — July 8, 2007 @ 1:05 pm
I think you’re giving him too much credit, Zooey. I think he’d do it for a nickel.
Comment by Wayne A. Schneider
You’re both wrong. He would do it to save a nickel off his taxes next year.
July 8th, 2007 at 1:12 pmI think you’re giving him too much credit, Zooey. I think he’d do it for a nickel.
Comment by Wayne A. Schneider — July 8, 2007 @ 1:08 pm
I think you’re right, Wayne. My bad. :D
July 8th, 2007 at 1:13 pmComment by m12 — July 8, 2007 @ 1:10 pm
i stand corrected. it took 15 minutes
July 8th, 2007 at 1:13 pmwilly,
m12 is so predictable, I don’t know why anyone even bothers with him.
July 8th, 2007 at 1:15 pmHey m12,
Didn’t this guy get busted with $90k in his freezer?
July 8th, 2007 at 1:16 pm#97
No, but he and the rest of the Corrupt Black Caucus stood up for Cold Cash Jefferson on the House floor.
July 8th, 2007 at 1:17 pmWe’ve had corporate dictatorship “on the table” and in our faces for the last 6.5 years now; maybe it’s time to reorder. Tired of having four and twenty chickenhawks baked in a Quagmire Pie?
July 8th, 2007 at 1:19 pmm12,
Oh my bad.
It’s hard to keep track of who those guys are sometimes.
I mean, it’s not like being able to tell your 4s from your 8s, any child could do that!
July 8th, 2007 at 1:21 pmIt is too late to impeach. Most Americans long for change, but they abhor what they believe to be political grandstanding. An impeachment debate would cause such polarization, the Independents, I believe, would tune out everything, do a “Pox on both your houses,” and turn to Bloomberg rather than turn to the Democrats in the next election.
Do the hearings, send the subpoenaes, and when these maggots that pass as human beings are out of office, support their trials at the Hague for war crimes.
July 8th, 2007 at 1:21 pmAnyone care to join me in a little shopping excursion to Ethan Allen? I hear they have some lovely tables and I would be more than happy to ship one to Ms. Pelosi!
Comment by MsJoanne
Now that would be funny. If people started shipping old tables to congress.
July 8th, 2007 at 1:26 pmm12 is so predictable, I don’t know why anyone even bothers with him.
Comment by Zooey
It’s a sickness and I am weak. Is there a twelve step program for Problem Troll-Whackers?
July 8th, 2007 at 1:28 pmSorry whiteyfresh, I hadn’t read your comment yet.
And,
I’d love to see that schvartzer try it! This guy is so unbelievable. Why dont you dems go back to smoking your weed and your same sex marriages! Either love the president and the US or leave it!
Comment by Redneck, Redstate
The S word employed here is the same as the N word. Please let TP know how offensive this is.
July 8th, 2007 at 1:30 pmDidn’t this guy get busted with $90k in his freezer?
Comment by Mr. President
What’s wrong Mr. President? They all look the same to you?
July 8th, 2007 at 1:30 pmDidn’t this guy get busted with $90k in his freezer?
Comment by Mr. President
What a dumbass you are.
July 8th, 2007 at 1:33 pmGuess Mr. President has no stock, copy and paste answer for that little racist slip-up of his.
Like I am surprised.
July 8th, 2007 at 1:36 pmwillyloman,
Do what/who “all look the same”?
4s and 8s?
Or congresspeople?
July 8th, 2007 at 1:39 pmOne can never overestimate the level of blithering idiocy from the W lackeys/sheeple, as m12 proves on a constant basis
And guess who threw the biggest hissy fits when Jefferson’s office was searched?
That’s right, the then-majority GOP House Leadership, Hastert & Boehner
Corrupt bastards like Jefferson, Hastert & Boehner just seem to seek each other out I guess
Hey, how come we don’t hear the GOP’s Senate Leadership talk about enacting the “Nuclear Option” now that they’re in the minority?
Because now that the GOP is in the minority-and will be labeled as such for quite some time to come-not being able to filibuster a President’s court nominees is a bad thing
When you GOP slugs develop logical, rational and ethical consistency, that will truly be a blessed day for the entire human race
And the absolute kicker for any W-apologist/lackey/troll is that NONE of their blather anywhere is going to result in W’s approval ratings going up, or the overwhelming majority of voters rallying around this ChickenHawk-infested Administration, its Lunatic Neocon Advisers or GOP enablers
But hey, you lil’ trooper trolls keep right on trying, it’s so much easier to mock and ridicule willful ignorance with the likes of m12 blabbing away in its most empty-headed fashion
July 8th, 2007 at 1:43 pmDidn’t this guy get busted with $90k in his freezer?
Comment by Mr. President — July 8, 2007 @ 1:16 pm
That who you are, Mr President.
I’m sure your parents would be proud — your grandparents, too. Maybe you could bring them here and show them your “body of work.”
July 8th, 2007 at 1:43 pmHe misspoke about one number (by the way 54% and 58% are a majority) by mistake. You sir, accused a man of stashing 90k in cold cash, because…why? What is it about Conyers and Jefferson that got you confused?
July 8th, 2007 at 1:44 pmKucinich is also a congressman, but you didn’t say kucinich.
What was it, Mr. President?
It’s a sickness and I am weak. Is there a twelve step program for Problem Troll-Whackers?
Comment by willyloman — July 8, 2007 @ 1:28 pm
I really have no room to talk, willy. I need to program myself. :)
July 8th, 2007 at 1:44 pmOops. I need [the] program myself. :}
July 8th, 2007 at 1:47 pmI really have no room to talk, willy. I need to program myself. :)
Comment by Zooey — July 8, 2007
Troll-whackers Annonomous. I’ll start working of the steps, you make lots of coffee.
July 8th, 2007 at 1:47 pmoops. On the steps :}
July 8th, 2007 at 1:48 pmI was going to suggest lots of wine, but I guess we should stay clear-headed. :D
July 8th, 2007 at 1:48 pmWillowman,
No. See, I didn’t get anything confused.
I asked a simple question:
Hey m12,
Didn’t this guy get busted with $90k in his freezer?
Comment by Mr. President — July 8, 2007 @ 1:16 pm
m12 answered and that was that.
July 8th, 2007 at 1:49 pmI type better when I’m tipsy. Heh.
July 8th, 2007 at 1:49 pmI asked a simple question:
Hey m12,
Didn’t this guy get busted with $90k in his freezer?
Comment by Mr. President — July 8, 2007 @ 1:16 pm
m12 answered and that was that.
Comment by Mr. President
And that excuses your idiocy?
July 8th, 2007 at 1:53 pmLMAO, hillarious
Best laugh I’ve had all day
Nitpicking over whether 54% or 58% is the correct figure misses the point: 50% of independent voters surveyed favored impeaching both Bush and Cheney. The question isn’t “would you vote for these men?” but “would you take the most drastic measures possible to get them out of office?” and half of the independent voters surveyed agreed.
i’m_12 has nothing else to respond with than a minor error of a few percentage points, and pounces on that because he has NOTHING.
July 8th, 2007 at 1:54 pmm12 answered and that was that.
Comment by Mr. President — July 8, 2007 @ 1:49 pm
Nice try! You showed you couldn’t tell the difference between two black guys. Also, Fox News showed a picture of Conyers when talking about Jefferson. It’s funny how you made the same mistake that Fox News did. You should read one of those polls about how Fox News viewers tend to be more incorrect on a number of important issues (i.e. that 9/11 was orchestrated by Iraqis).
July 8th, 2007 at 1:54 pmRev. Vinnie!
How’s everything man!
July 8th, 2007 at 1:56 pmSee? that’s all it was, Mr. President. you just made a simple mistake. You confused one Congressman for another. Could happen to anybody.
July 8th, 2007 at 1:56 pmOf course, it didn’t happen to anybody else. Just you. Informed little you.
You should read one of those polls about how Fox News viewers tend to be more incorrect on a number of important issues (i.e. that 9/11 was orchestrated by Iraqis).
Comment by Vinnie
It was an unfair poll. Those questioned had to be able to read. That took out 85% of the Fox News viewers right there.
July 8th, 2007 at 1:58 pmFox News viewers more likely to be wrong than others:
“Those who primarily watch Fox News are significantly more likely to have misperceptions, while those who primarily listen to NPR or watch PBS are significantly less likely.”
http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/ pipa/ articles/ international_security_bt/ 102.php?nid=&id=&pnt=102&lb=brusc
July 8th, 2007 at 1:58 pmMr P.,
First, I am an Atheist. I rely on scientific discourse to form my opinions. If you want to accuse me of having a preachy tone, that’s one thing. But please do not associate me with your love of Jesus nor Islamo-something evil. I do not adhere to either of those.
After reading you and m12 and the other trolls here I will say one thing - I am so glad that I don’t consider you guys on the same side as me. Seeing what the 26%’ers are like, I’m proud not to be a member of your ilk.
July 8th, 2007 at 2:01 pmOh, snap.
July 8th, 2007 at 2:05 pmoops
July 8th, 2007 at 2:06 pm#127 Oh, snap.
Comment by Mr.President — July 8, 2007 @ 2:05 pm
Busted!!!!!!
willyloman is a name hijacker!!!!
Remember when you Lefties said that you disapproved of such things!
July 8th, 2007 at 2:07 pmWell let’s see if you are true to your word!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You set me up you little prick.
how hard is it to go to my link and copy and paste?
This is how you try to get me back?
What a coward.
July 8th, 2007 at 2:09 pmWILLYLOMAN IS A NAME HIJACKER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Remember when you Lefties said that you disapproved of such things!
Well let’s see if you are true to your word!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Comment #127
http://thinkprogress.org/ 2007/ 07/ 08/ conyers-impeachment/ #comment-3918913
REMEMBER THIS WAYNE:
Anyone that does hijack a name usually gets imediate condemnation from the rest of the posters.
Comment by Wayne — July 3, 2007 @ 8:09 pm
YOU SAID IT HERE:
#237
http://thinkprogress.org/ 2007/ 07/ 03/ political-appointees-given-new-regulatory-powers/
imediate condemnation for willyloman!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
July 8th, 2007 at 2:16 pmFREE WILLY!!!!
WILLY IS INNOCENT!!!
I LOVE WILLY!!!!!
WILLY IS WONDERFUL!!!!!
I DIDN’T MEAN TO BE SUCH A DICK
July 8th, 2007 at 2:19 pmWILLYLOMAN IS A NAME HIJACKER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Remember when you Lefties said that you disapproved of such things!
Well let’s see if you are true to your word!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Comment #127
http://thinkprogress.org/ 2007/ 07/ 08/ conyers-impeachment/ #comment-3918913
REMEMBER THIS WAYNE:
Anyone that does hijack a name usually gets imediate condemnation from the rest of the posters.
Comment by Wayne — July 3, 2007 @ 8:09 pm
YOU SAID IT HERE:
#237
http://thinkprogress.org/ 2007/ 07/ 03/ political-appointees-given-new-regulatory-powers/
IMMEDIATE CONDEMNATION for willyloman!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
July 8th, 2007 at 2:20 pmWhy thank you Mr.President.
That is so good natured of you, and clearly you’re not bitter because I caught you in a racist slip of the brain.
So nice of you to retract your previous slander.
July 8th, 2007 at 2:21 pmWILLYLOMAN IS A NAME HIJACKER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Remember when you Lefties said that you disapproved of such things!
Well let’s see if you are true to your word!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Comment #127
http://thinkprogress.org/ 2007/ 07/ 08/ conyers-impeachment/ #comment-3918913
REMEMBER THIS WAYNE:
Anyone that does hijack a name usually gets imediate condemnation from the rest of the posters.
Comment by Wayne — July 3, 2007 @ 8:09 pm
YOU SAID IT HERE:
#237
http://thinkprogress.org/ 2007/ 07/ 03/ political-appointees-given-new-regulatory-powers/
IMMEDIATE CONDEMNATION for willyloman!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
July 8th, 2007 at 2:22 pmBut I do think you should get some help for that whole “mommy beats me” thing.
That kind of behavior can scar a man, in many ways.
July 8th, 2007 at 2:23 pmNow that would be funny. If people started shipping old tables to congress.
Comment by shane — July 8, 2007 @ 1:26 pm
But photos of tables would be much cheaper… We should email them to Pelosi and Reid… :D
July 8th, 2007 at 2:23 pmMr. President - nap time!
July 8th, 2007 at 2:29 pmWILLYLOMAN IS A NAME HIJACKER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Remember when you Lefties said that you disapproved of such things!
Well let’s see if you are true to your word!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Comment #127
http://thinkprogress.org/ 2007/ 07/ 08/ conyers-impeachment/ #comment-3918913
REMEMBER THIS WAYNE:
Anyone that does hijack a name usually gets imediate condemnation from the rest of the posters.
Comment by Wayne — July 3, 2007 @ 8:09 pm
YOU SAID IT HERE:
#237
http://thinkprogress.org/ 2007/ 07/ 03/ political-appointees-given-new-regulatory-powers/
IMMEDIATE CONDEMNATION for willyloman!
July 8th, 2007 at 2:31 pmI don’t know about most of the rest of you (trolls excluded), but I’m tired of just griping about the criminals in the current Admin. You CAN make your voices heard. One way is through After Downing Street . Sign the petition calling for Cheney’s impeachment and make sure to forward the site to as many folks as you can. We need to state loudly and clearly that enough is ENOUGH.
July 8th, 2007 at 2:54 pmIt will take WAY more balls then the distinguished leaders in Congress possess to flush the current turds out of the WH. If they don’t get total and constant pressure on all the Repugs up for re-election and have a constant vote to “out” the ones that won’t step up, it will never happen.
All you have to do is put a poster of Darth with one hand up Dubya’s ass and the other giving the world the famous “F@ck U” 1-fingered salute.
July 8th, 2007 at 2:59 pmReagan’s NSA Chief: Impeachment May Be Necessary
Published July 6, 2007 in Government/Society, In Defense of Democracy and Opinion.
Blogged to the DailyKos
Found for us by the Texas News Ninja, Betsy!
by The Angry Rakkasan
Thu Jul 05, 2007 at 08:22:23 PM PDT
Retired three-star Army General William Odom threw Commander Guy under the bus today. And Odom is no ordinary three-star. From 1985-1988 he served as chief of the NSA under Ronald Reagan.
So take a deep breath, Red America: It’s going to be hard to spin this one.
The Angry Rakkasan’s diary :: ::
Writing for Harvard University’s Nieman Watchdog, Odom called for the withdrawal of U.S. forces from Iraq. Now, he’s done this before, so that’s not where the news is. Rather, the good stuff came at the end of Odom’s piece—when he delivered a three-step plan by which Congress can force the President to give in. Here’s a summation of what Odom said:
Redefine what “supporting the troops†means.
Flatly refuse to appropriate war funds “for anything but withdrawal operations with a clear deadline for completion.â€
If that doesn’t work, Congress should impeach the President for “the ‘high crime’ of squandering the lives of soldiers and Marines for his own personal interest.â€
Ouch. The article that Odom has written could be described as “scathing,†or even “blistering.†And the great thing about it is that he doesn’t pull any punches with regard to Congressional Democrats: He even begins by rebuking them for allowing the President to beat “them into submission with charges of failing to ‘support the troops.’â€â€”hence his first point in the three-step plan.
There is a movement building here. It’s something about that “I-word.†It’s been popping up all week. And perhaps if more leaders like General Odom will speak out, it’ll gain a head of steam. Maybe people are beginning to see that our military is, as Odom puts it, “combat-exhausted to the point of losing effectiveness.†And maybe people are finally starting to realize that the person responsible for doing such a thing is actually aiding the enemy—and that it’s become a national security issue. Thus I agree with Odom about what the Congress should do if Commander Guy remains obstinate: They must take decisive action. Because you can call it incompetence and you can call it treason. But either way, destroying the military is most assuredly a high crime against the people of the United States. MORE
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/7/5/231514/7031
http://headonradionetwork.com/ blog/ 2007/ 07/ 06/ reagan%E2%80%99s-nsa-chief-impeachment-may-be-necessary/
July 8th, 2007 at 4:15 pmRep. Conyers predicts Bush cooperation as impeachment support grows
RAW STORY
Published: Sunday July 8, 2007
Rep. John Conyers, chairman of the House Judiciary Committee, appeared Sunday on This Week with George Stephanopoulos to discuss his promise to hold hearings next week on President Bush’s commutation of Scooter Libby’s jail sentence. He also responded to questions on his committee’s outstanding subpoenas in the matter of the US Attorney firings, offering the striking suggestion that growing public support for impeachment of the president might make the White House more inclined to cooperate.
Conyers began by explaining why hearings into the Scooter Libby commutation are appropriate, even though the president’s pardon power is absolute. “What separates this from President Clinton’s pardons, and anybody else’s,” said Conyers, “is that … the president is not supposed to intervene until there has been an exhaustion of the appeal process. And here the president didn’t wait. … The suspicion was that if Mr. Libby went to prison, he might further implicate other people in the White House, and that there was some kind of relationship here that does not exist in any of President Clinton’s pardons.”
“You seem to be suggesting that President Bush commuted Mr. Libby’s sentence in order to keep him quiet,” said a surprised-sounding Stephanopoulos.
“That’s what the general impression is,” responded Conyers. However, he insisted that his committee was simply asking Bush to do what Clinton had done and release his lawyers from executive privilege so they could explain the commutation and “put this kind of feeling, that is fairly general, to rest.”
Stephanopoulos next asked Conyers what he intended to do in light of a Washington Post report that the White House plans to deny his request for documents on the US Attorney firings. Conyers refused to be drawn into speculation, replying that “we don’t have any other choice” but to press ahead with the subpoenas.
Conyers emphasized that his committee is continuing to negotiate with the White House, and told Stephanopoulos, “We’re hoping that as the cries for Bush and Cheney now reach 46% and 58%, respectively, for impeachment, that we could begin to become a little bit more cooperative, if not even amicable in trying to get to the truth of these matters.”
“We’re seeking cooperation,” insisted Conyers. This is not partisan in any way.” He also told Stephanopoulos, “I didn’t put impeachment on the table. I was just telling you that 46% of the American people polled want Bush impeached and 58% of the American people polled want Cheney impeached.”
The following video is from ABC’s This Week with George Stephanopoulos, broadcast on July 8.
Video and article
July 8th, 2007 at 4:16 pmhttp://rawstory.com/ news/ 2007/ Video_Conyers_predicts_Bush_cooperation_as_0708.html
Stephanopoulos responded, “I’m surprised you put impeachment on the table there. Are you open to pursuing that?†Conyers said he was not putting it “on the table,†merely pointing out the views of the American people.
Which is why he and Nancy PollLoser (and this is exactly why Americans are pissed at Democrats now [low poll #’s]), are sinking the Democratic Party at the very point in history where Democrats have had the greatest chance in 40+ years to move this party out of the wilderness!!! Can you hear us Nancy…John C. …Harry? Are you listening??? I don’t think so!!!!!
You are all too busy collecting money from the powerful!! JUST LIKE THE REPUGNISCUMS!!!
July 8th, 2007 at 4:36 pmIMPEACHMENT WILL HELP HEAL THE WORLD!!!!
IMPEACHMENT WILL HELP HEAL THE WORLD!!!!
IMPEACHMENT WILL HELP HEAL THE WORLD!!!!
SING ALONG WITH ME….
IMPEACHMENT WILL HELP HEAL THE WORLD!!!!
July 8th, 2007 at 4:39 pmIMPEACHMENT WILL HELP HEAL THE WORLD!!!!
IMPEACHMENT WILL HELP HEAL THE WORLD!!!!
“Well, I certainly wouldn’t hold her in contempt. And we’re in negotiations with Mr. Fielding in the White House. ”
I really don’t see how the Bush White House can stop Ms. Taylor from testifying if she wants to. They have no control over her. She is a private citizen and I don’t believe they have the legal right to tell her what she can and cannot do. What are they going to do, have her arrested if she testifies? On what charge?
On the other hand, if I was Ms. Taylor I would go to Conyers or someone else on the committee and tell them that I wanted to testify but that I was asking to be put in protective custody. I really would put it past this criminal White House to have Ms. Taylor killed if she says she is going to testify no matter what the White House says.
July 8th, 2007 at 5:01 pmSooner is better. Get the impeachment of Cheney underway and begin the proceedings against the President immediately the