Kristol: Bush Timed Clemency To Get Political Cover By Attacking Clinton
Kristol: Bush Timed Clemency To Get Political Cover By Attacking Clinton
This morning, the Weekly Standard’s Bill Kristol — who accurately predicted the President’s decision to commute Libby’s sentence — suggested the order was timed to provide political cover for the decision by attacking President Clinton.
“Here’s why the president acted the way he did. He knew Bill Clinton was joining Hillary in Iowa on July 4th. No, I’m serious,” Kristol said. “So on July 2d, Ed Gillespie, who’s a very canny Republican operator, said, Let’s pardon Libby. Clinton will rise to the bait, and we could spend the last half of the week debating the unbelievable Clinton pardons against the defensible Bush pardon.”
Kristol concluded, “I regard this as an extremely clever Machiavellian move by the president. It cheers me up about the Bush White House, and I’m really heartened.” Watch it:
The Libby case is not comparable to anything President Clinton ever did. Libby was spared prison time because he was “charged with activities that involve knowledge of what his superiors in the White House did.” House Judiciary Committee Chairman John Conyers said this kind of relationship in a commutation has “never existed before.”
If Kristol’s theory is correct that politics played a large role in the timing of Libby’s commutation, that provides yet another issue for Congress to delve into when it begins hearings on Bush’s abuse of clemency powers this week.
Transcript:
KRISTOL: Here’s why the president acted the way he did. He knew Bill Clinton was joining Hillary in Iowa on July 4th.
No, I’m serious. So on July 2d, Ed Gillespie, who’s a very canny Republican operator, said, Let’s pardon Libby. Clinton will rise to the bait, and we could spend the last half of the week debating the unbelievable Clinton pardons against the defensible Bush pardon.
So I regard this as an extremely clever Machiavellian move by the president. It cheers me up. It cheers me up about the Bush White House, and I’m really heartened.
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bullshit… a real load of crap…
July 8th, 2007 at 12:19 pmeveryone knows that dumby is not that clever…
his handlers, maybe, some… but this is b.s.
…
But Tony snow said it wasn’t political!
Oh yeah, he lies.
July 8th, 2007 at 12:20 pmNow they blame Clinton for Bush’s actions?
Do they any other tricks up their sleeves, or is this the only one?
July 8th, 2007 at 12:22 pmI have to laugh at the Dims trotting out slick Clinton of all people to attack these pardons.
Why don’t they bring out Marc Rich as well?
Or is Jimmy Carter’s decrepid corpse not available?
Mr Carter came down hard on his successor
Former US President Jimmy Carter has said Bill Clinton’s pardon of a controversial financier brought disgrace on the White House.
Mr Carter, a born-again Christian known for his moral rectitude, said he thought there was “no doubt” that Mr Clinton’s pardon of Mr Rich was partly “attributable to his large gifts”.
“In my opinion, that was disgraceful,” he said, describing it as one of Mr Clinton’s “most serious mistakes”.
July 8th, 2007 at 12:22 pmThis is a pure bullshit, all the animals out of the barn, cover the King’s ass fairy tail.
The King acted impulsively, and now the sniveling sycophants are rushing in with their bedtime stories.
Party before country!! COWARDS.
July 8th, 2007 at 12:22 pmWho takes anything Bloody Kristol has to say seriously? What a waste of time.
July 8th, 2007 at 12:22 pmCan’t wait to see what else this PNAC f*ck gets heartened by…bombing Iran? Starting WWIII? More Americans in poverty? More dead Iraqis? More dead Americans? Ah…what a wonderful NeoCon world it will be.
This prick belongs right beside Bush and Chaney at the Hague…along with Wolfie, Rummy and all the other warmongers who justify everything they do by wrapping it in patriotism.
Thankfully, *I* am heartened that many more Americans are seeing through all the BS that these guys have been hoisting upon us for years. I only hope it’s not too late.
July 8th, 2007 at 12:23 pmthe unbelievable Clinton pardons against the defensible Bush pardon.
War is Peace.
Hate is Love.
Buzzed Driving is Drunk Driving.
We have always been at war with Eurasia.
July 8th, 2007 at 12:24 pmi’m not sure how impulsive it was, zooey…
i believe it was planned all along… just that on the day the court
decided scooter had to go to jail, they knew not to waste any more time…
just my take on it…
July 8th, 2007 at 12:26 pmDOUCHE
July 8th, 2007 at 12:27 pmCan’t wait to see what else this PNAC f*ck gets heartened by…bombing Iran? Starting WWIII? More Americans in poverty? More dead Iraqis? More dead Americans? Ah…what a wonderful NeoCon world it will be. Comment by MsJoanne
Check out the Committee on the Present Danger.
NeoCon warmongers looking into the intelligence to justify invasion of Iran. Like the Office of Special Plans being run by AEI from the inside out.
And guess what? Wolfowitz is back at AEI, where it all started.
July 8th, 2007 at 12:27 pmjust my take on it…
Comment by katy
I think Scooter forced their hand. He wanted to get back to work and couldn’t with this looming in the very near future. You know he will be at AEI or somewhere helping to plan the next PR War of Iran.
With all this pressure on the White House, Iran is the only thing between them and Impeachment, and Cheney knows it.
July 8th, 2007 at 12:30 pmAnd that pretty well sums up Kristol’s commitment to democracy, here or anywhere else. He concedes it was entirely a political move and applauds them. “Oooh, I’m feeling much better about Generalissimo Franco, er, President Bush these days because he’s demonstrating what a vile snake he is.”
July 8th, 2007 at 12:32 pmKristol is the regular Neocon bullsh-ter every Sunday on FOX news.
July 8th, 2007 at 12:34 pmComment by gummitch Nice Franco reference.
July 8th, 2007 at 12:37 pmWhat is a weak, feeble President to do, but resort to school yard, sopmoric politcal tactics?
July 8th, 2007 at 12:37 pm“Forget what’s actually good for the country. We’re playing the Grand Game here and that’s all that matters.”
comment by - William “Di*khead” Kristol
July 8th, 2007 at 12:39 pmi never cease to be amazed at the crap that flows from kristol’s mouth…. i mean, geeze…. whatever he is smoking, i want some
July 8th, 2007 at 12:39 pmOnly a lying asshat like Bill Kristol could be stupid enough to use the term “Machiavellian” as a compliment. As far as I know this is the only thing he’s ever said that was true. It must be a mistake. Idiot.
From Wiki:
“Machiavellianism is primarily the term some social and personality psychologists use to describe a person’s tendency to deceive and manipulate others for personal gain.”
That’s George Bush all right!
July 8th, 2007 at 12:39 pmBear in mind that William Kristol is a card-carrying member of PNAC (followers of Leo Strauss, grandfather of the fascist movement) and Kristol’s own grandfather, Irving Kristol, was one of the ringleaders in bringing the concept of fascism to this country.
With William Kristol it’s clear that “the apple never falls far from the tree”.
But to grin and chuckle about the oneupmanship of fascism over democracy is tantamount to treason in my estimation. I’d suggest that William Kristol had better keep his excitement over the overturn of the rule of law in this country a secret and not be caught finding humor and elation in it all.
July 8th, 2007 at 12:42 pmMembers of PNAC & The Federalist Society ARE CONTEMPORARY MACHIAVELLIANS. Be warned: They are presently waging a war on this democracy and the people of this country.
July 8th, 2007 at 12:43 pmJust imagine: Prescott Bush supplying gas to the Hitlerian regime to gas Jews in their concentration camps before being outed and stopped; Irving Kristol is the new grandpappy of Fascism…..how did this country go so wrong? Look at the lineage, folks…..look at the root of the problem.
July 8th, 2007 at 12:45 pmI think Scooter forced their hand.
Comment by willyloman — July 8, 2007 @ 12:30 pm
of course he did… but i doubt because he “wanted to get back to work”…
he’s a chickenshit weasel who couldn’t even face a country club “prison”…
he forced their hand with, “get me out of this, or i’m talkin’”…
July 8th, 2007 at 12:45 pm…
Is it my imagination or is Kristol looking a bit wan and sickly these days? Even when grinning from ear to ear in his unparalleled debouchery, he still looks like a very sick individual (physically, that is). We know what his heart is made of (stone) and that he lacks a human soul.
July 8th, 2007 at 12:46 pmif you continue to print that come out of it’s mouth, you do more to legitimize it as a opposing viewpoint. it is not a human as we understand it, it is far out on the fringe edge of a being, but you continue to put it forward?
July 8th, 2007 at 12:48 pmshould this really be a part of the public discourse?
let faux use it for their purpose, and allow it to be evaluated by human beings.
#23 Scooter is responsible for their flagging numbers - 26% - give me a break! And this unpopular nincompoop is still running this country against the wishes of the people (74%)??
I’m seeing that his recent commutation of Libby’s sentence (over the rule of law) is setting a precedent that, along with the precedent of preemptive striking which we also began, they will rue ever having occurred.
Bush’s commutation WILL tank his presidency - although the agreed upon article of impeachment will be that he’s “compromised our national security” by his capricious, cavalier handling of classified documents.
July 8th, 2007 at 12:49 pmVis-a-vis his imminent impeachment, I say this: Whatever works! And if this is what it takes to acquire bipartisan support to do so, then so be it.
July 8th, 2007 at 12:50 pmI’m always amazed to see how flippant these guys are when caught with their pants down. Even Barnes looked a little caught off gaurd by what was frothing from Kristol’s yap. Whoa. These neocons are weird. We need to remove them from power completely, asap.
July 8th, 2007 at 12:52 pmI’d rather be a 26%er than a Russian sympathizer.
http://newsok.com/article/3077337/
MANY Americans probably would be puzzled to learn some congressional Democrats are in the employ of Russian President Vladimir Putin. That’s how it looks, anyway, with U.S. politicians erecting obstacles to the Bush administration’s plan to put missile defense systems in Eastern Europe.
The Washington Post reports the Senate likely will join the House in reducing funds for construction of 10 interceptor missile sites in Poland and deployment of radar systems in the Czech Republic. Last month, the House cut $40 million from a bill that would’ve paid for site preparation in Poland.
Senate Democrats said there are technical problems with President Bush’s plan, but they also voiced foreign policy concerns — evidence of Putin’s influence over Congress. If this keeps up, he may have to register as a lobbyist!
Putin claims Bush’s plan would upset strategic balances. That Russia is stung by deploying systems in countries that once belonged to the Soviet bloc was clear in Putin’s threat to aim Russian missiles at Western Europe if the plan progresses.
Things are calmer since Putin met Bush in Maine earlier this week. Putin suggested Russia host the missile systems instead of Poland and the Czech Republic, but Bush rightly demurred. The best way to guard against missile attacks from the Middle East is to stick with the original blueprint. One reason is planning already has begun; changing things will force delay. Another reason is Russia. Candidly, few know where it is headed, especially given Putin’s lust for restoring to Russia the influence it enjoyed during the Soviet era.
Share technology with Russia, make it a full partner in deterring attacks from Iran or terrorist groups. But don’t do it as a substitute for plans already started. Meantime, congressional Democrats should leave foreign policy to Bush and the State Department and remember they work for the American people, not Vladimir Putin.
These people side with the Iraqis, the Iranians, the illegals, and the Russians. When do they plan on siding with the USA?
July 8th, 2007 at 12:58 pmIn the end, it will be the GOP that throws Bush overboard, “for the good of the party” i.e., to save their own sorry asses. Remember, it wasn’t the Democrats who made Nixon resign.
July 8th, 2007 at 12:59 pmKristol is the editor of the Weekly Standard, so I guess we can let him know how we feel at editor@weeklystandard.com.
July 8th, 2007 at 1:00 pmThere’s m12, changing the subject, right on schedule.
Try to stay on topic, dipstick.
July 8th, 2007 at 1:00 pmThese people side with the Iraqis, the Iranians, the illegals, and the Russians. When do they plan on siding with the USA?
Comment by m12 — July 8, 2007 @ 12:58 pm
There is a name for those people:
Islamo-Stalinists
July 8th, 2007 at 1:02 pmThese people side with the Iraqis, the Iranians… when do they plan on siding with the USA?
Comment by m12
You mean like “BigDick” Cheney doin’ business w/ both Iran an Iraq thru a foreign subsidiary of Halliburton?
July 8th, 2007 at 1:02 pmAnd here I thought his sentence was commuted on the 2nd because the Judge denied bail earlier that same day; meaning Libby’s incarceration was imminent. Instead, they are using the “Clinton did it too†defense. Pure genius. Now everything is clear as mud and no one will question his motives.
July 8th, 2007 at 1:02 pmKristol is a lying, traitorous slug.
July 8th, 2007 at 1:05 pmYou mean like “BigDick†Cheney doin’ business w/ both Iran an Iraq thru a foreign subsidiary of Halliburton?
In support of our military efforts, yeah. Why would we want to remove our defense against the Russians?
July 8th, 2007 at 1:06 pmHey, TP,
How about taking a page out of Media Matters’ book and providing e-mail contacts for some of the people, good and bad, that you mention in your items? That will help some of us turn our talk into action. Just a suggestion (along with registration, preview screens and spellcheckers).
July 8th, 2007 at 1:06 pmSo, opposing wasting money on a defense program that doesn’t work, against a non-existent threat, means you work for the Russians?
I mean, I guess they could spend the money on M1117 ASVs and Cougar MPAPV for the troops in Iraq, or held replace worn out equipment, or let NG and AR units get replacements for stuff left in Iraq, but that would be stupid.
July 8th, 2007 at 1:06 pmiran and Iraq have done less harm to this country than did this administration.
July 8th, 2007 at 1:07 pmWhy would we want to remove our defense against the Russians?
Comment by m12
The Russians! That old boogieman chestnut?
Come on, got to be a better reason than that?
July 8th, 2007 at 1:09 pmComment by m12 — July 8, 2007 @ 12:22 pm
http://www.americandaily.com/article/16923
Comment by m12 — July 8, 2007 @ 12:58 pm
A few years ago a pardon was granted to Wendy St. Charles who was convicted in the 1980’s of distribution of cocaine.
m12, put down the remote and step away from the TV. =)
When do they plan on siding with the USA? Comment by m12
July 8th, 2007 at 1:13 pmCan you say Chalabi? That dayum Michael is Moore trying to help Americans!! He must be a communist eh?
Kristol will look good in Federal issued orange, bent over the sink.
July 8th, 2007 at 1:15 pmThe Russians! That old boogieman chestnut?
Come on, got to be a better reason than that?
This country spent 50 years and 4 Democratic Presidents preparing for war with the Russians. What has happened to this party?
July 8th, 2007 at 1:15 pmListen to the pinhead. Yea, Nixon was a democrat, you ignorant twit.
July 8th, 2007 at 1:16 pmIn support of our military efforts, yeah. Why would we want to remove our defense against the Russians? Comment by m12
You should be worried more about China. I guess that nuclear submarine recently discovered didn’t get your attention?
July 8th, 2007 at 1:16 pmIslamo- Stalinists?
Hey, I have some other meaningless terms you can use:
Anarcho-Fascist
Hindo-Maoist
Anglo-Bolshevik
Christo-Leninist
Zoroastriano-Cubist
July 8th, 2007 at 1:16 pmKristol will look good in Federal issued orange, bent over the sink.
Comment by BARTLEBEE
I always thought he was a bit “light” myself. he would be tying his shirt in a knot around his waiste and looking for a big Cheney Daddy to take care of him.
July 8th, 2007 at 1:17 pmThis country spent 50 years and 4 Democratic Presidents preparing for war with the Russians. What has happened to this party?
Comment by m12
Ronnie Raygun made nicey nicey talk with them, remember?
July 8th, 2007 at 1:17 pmYou should be worried more about China. I guess that nuclear submarine recently discovered didn’t get your attention?
Eastern European bases will partially cover our defense against China as well.
July 8th, 2007 at 1:18 pmThis country spent 50 years and 4 Democratic Presidents preparing for war with the Russians. What has happened to this party?
Comment by m12
That’s right! it’s Clintons fault that you brought up the Russians!
That bastard Clinton!
July 8th, 2007 at 1:19 pmComment by Rick
You haven’t been called an Islamo-Stalinist by the trolls yet?
You have to work harder.
July 8th, 2007 at 1:20 pmOh, Jeebus m12, it’s July 2007. We’re watching George and Dick’s Excellent Adventure disintegrate into a bloody catastrophe before our eyes every single day. We all remember the cheap attacks and distortions you tools used to get us into this useless quagmire.
And you actually think and “objectively pro-X” argument is going to get you anywhere? Wake up and smell the past four years.
Democrats, interfering with one of George Bush’s military initiatives? You know what the country is going to say about that? They’re going to applaud it, just like thely applauded Nancy Pelosi when she went to Syria. Remember how certain you were that accusing her of interfering with George Bush’s foreign policy was a really terriffic political ploy? He poll numbers went up after you goons yammered that talking point for two weeks, remember?
Go ahead, make it clear that Republicans still look at the world and at domestic politics exactly the same way as they did in the autumn of 2002. Keep it up all the way through November 2008. It’ll make it that much easier for the Democrats to get those 60 seats in the Senate.
July 8th, 2007 at 1:21 pmThat this bit of scum would be cheered by someone acting Maciavillian (sic) tells you what kind of scum he is. The Good Lord has yet to invent the hell that this low life will inherit.
July 8th, 2007 at 1:21 pm#19: There really is a disconnect between us and your way of thinking. For us politics is everything and the politics is primarily about obtaining and holding on to power - at any cost. Machiavellian is indeed a compliment. Clever manipulation of the masses and bending of the truth in public is a beautiful thing to behold.
July 8th, 2007 at 1:22 pmI always thought he was a bit “light†myself.
Comment by willyloman — July 8, 2007 @ 1:17 pm
He looks like he could change a 9 dollar bill in 3’s.
July 8th, 2007 at 1:23 pmEastern European bases will partially cover our defense against China as well.
Comment by m12
Right. It’s got nothing to do with imposing our will on the developing Eastern European markets/ ah-hem/ I mean countries.
It’s the Chinese that aren’t in Eastern Europe! the scary Chinese. ooooooooooo be affraid.
July 8th, 2007 at 1:23 pmI forgot to add to #55: What I (and many other neocons) don’t understand how it is that you can talk about honesty, integrity and sticking to what’s legal in the context of politics and actually mean it. It’s just… I don’t know. Naive. It’s like a kid saying that “But dad said I shouldn’t tell lies!”. Dangerously naive in the long run.
July 8th, 2007 at 1:25 pmYeah, Machiavelli cheers me, too! There’s nothing like have tyrants manipulate the people to put a big smile on my face…
July 8th, 2007 at 1:25 pmYou see this all the time in the movies, where the guilty person, confronted by all around him with his guilt, drops his protestations of innocence and shouts, “I enjoyed it, I’d do it again, it was wonderful, and I have no regrets!”, or something to that effect. Kristol is a mouthpiece for traitors, and everyone who still has a brain and a moral center understands that. He’s got nothing else to say now than to revel in the genius of his leash-handlers evil.
July 8th, 2007 at 1:27 pm#59: Come on. Every president and every government manipulates the masses. If that’s what defines a tyrannical government, we’ve been living in a tyranny since the Declaration of Independence.
July 8th, 2007 at 1:28 pmwillyloman,
I know, I know. I’ll give the old college try next time.
July 8th, 2007 at 1:29 pmClever manipulation of the masses and bending of the truth in public is a beautiful thing to behold. Comment by BottomBoy
Yeh, until they bend you over. =)
July 8th, 2007 at 1:30 pmI know, I know. I’ll give the old college try next time.
Comment by Rick — July 8, 2007
They’ll get around to it. They always do.
July 8th, 2007 at 1:33 pmThis guy seems to have a great attitude towards life!
July 8th, 2007 at 1:34 pmOh!
Hey Piscean!
July 8th, 2007 at 1:34 pmDidn’t this guy get busted with $90k in his freezer?
Comment by Mr. President
What’s wrong Mr. President? They all look the same to you?
Didn’t answer that question, Mr. President?
July 8th, 2007 at 1:35 pmDidn’t answer that question, Mr. President?
Comment by willyloman — July 8, 2007 @ 1:35 pm
July 8th, 2007 at 1:37 pm—————————————————————————————–
Did I say that on this thread? I meant to say that about Conyers.
Was confusing him with Jefferson a joke about them all being the same? or just a slip of the tonge?
July 8th, 2007 at 1:40 pmJesus Christ willowman,
Stick to one thread at a time with your ranting!
July 8th, 2007 at 1:43 pmso who were Marc Rich’s lawyers? And did they through the normal process with the don and the pardon atty? Yes, I think they did. I think that the problem here is not the commutation itself, but rather the fact that the process was not followed according to doj guidelines. Oh, and of Rich’s lawyers is nicknamed “scooter”…
July 8th, 2007 at 1:44 pmI hope a house falls on that warlock.
July 8th, 2007 at 1:44 pmAs has already been mentioned, Libby’s sentence was commuted to keep him from “singing”.
July 8th, 2007 at 1:45 pmThe comparison to Clinton is just an all too often used ruse.
Oh! Hey Piscean! Comment by Mr. President
Wassup Mr President! Hey, heres an interesting thing to imagine, since you spoke of Einstein (Energy Mass Light are interchangeable E=mc^2)
Visualize yourself standing on the sun and then looking down at the pyramid.
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Say didn’t Kristol work for the democrats at one time, Scoop Jackson. me thinks?
July 8th, 2007 at 1:45 pmsorry typing on my iphone meant DOJ not don…
July 8th, 2007 at 1:46 pm“Blame Clinton” and the “Criminalization of Politics” defense are the only remaining rallying cries of the moribund conservative movement.
For the details, see:
July 8th, 2007 at 1:46 pm“Libby and the GOP’s Criminalization of Politics Defense.”
Being m12 and mr. prez must the same as going to a Globetrotters game and rooting for the Generals or always waiting for WIley Coyote catching the Roadrunner.
BEEP BEEP!!
July 8th, 2007 at 1:47 pmJesus Christ willowman,
Comment by Mr. President — July 8, 2007 @ 1:43 pm
Says the self professed Christian to the liberal.
July 8th, 2007 at 1:48 pmFor the life of me, I cannot watch this video.
Kristol is a blood-thirsty military coward who helped architect the Pearl Harbor known as Iraq.
This man is scum. The sight and sound of him makes me ill.
July 8th, 2007 at 1:49 pmComment by Piscean — July 8, 2007 @ 1:45 pm
He seems to imply that Bush used Libby’s commutation as part of a political strategy against the Dems., and therefore he makes Bush appear to have an alterior motive.
So, I would not be suprised.
July 8th, 2007 at 1:52 pmBesides, Bill Clinton still has over a 60% approval; Bush is at 28%.
July 8th, 2007 at 1:53 pmKristol knows he is lying about the motivation of the clemency.
Kristol doesn’t even rise to the level of scum.
He’s a bottom feeder, like the tool calling himself Mr Pres.
July 8th, 2007 at 1:53 pmPlease, Mr. President you have to acknowledge me as you, remember what the doctor said, if you don’t embrace me the personalities will never merge. Those dreaded mornings would continue. You know the ones, where you/we wake up wondering where those fishnet stockings and stiletto heels you/we are wearing came from? We’ve taken the first step, finding a place where there’s a possibility of us both existing at once, confronting the reality, albeit a ‘virtual’ online reality, where our existence is apparent to both of us. Now we can take the next step of reconciling ourselves, but I can’t be the only one to recognize this or the downward spiral of madness will continue and your compensatory idolization of Bush and the neo-conservative movement will continue. Remember, It’s only a crutch you/we use to stave off the overwhelming feelings of emasculation that have existed since you realized that Clinton was potentially having sexual relations with a woman, while a virile and strong Republican like yourself was left to his own ‘devices’ for satisfaction and all the while Falwell and Roberts et al were screaming from the TV that touching yourself was pure evil. We sought refuge in a manly figure and a strong manly administration yet it only resulted in you/we detaching ourselves further from reality; a bubble was formed if you will. We must burst this bubble and we can do it!
July 8th, 2007 at 1:53 pm…through the normal process with the don and the pardon atty?…
Comment by Eric’s brainl — July 8, 2007 @ 1:44 pm
sorry typing on my iphone meant DOJ not don…
Comment by Eric’s brainl — July 8, 2007 @ 1:46 pm
actually it could be either/or… i just read “mafia” and it made sense…
July 8th, 2007 at 1:53 pm…
#sorry typing on my iphone meant DOJ not don…
Comment by Eric’s brainl
Hey did you see where DVD Jon has hacked the iPod (activation) on his site?
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nf/20070705/tc_nf/53591
Irving came from Planet Claire
I knew he came from there
he drove a Plymouth Satellite
up and around the speed of light
Planet Claire has pink air
All the trees are red
No one ever dies there
No one has a head
Some say he’s from Mars
July 8th, 2007 at 1:53 pmOr one of the seven stars
That shine after 3:30 in the morning
WELL SHE ISN’T
So, I would not be suprised. Comment by Mr. President
I don’t really follow that, I think it was to obfuscate some pardons George has made, [A few years ago a pardon was granted to Wendy St. Charles who was convicted in the 1980’s of distribution of cocaine] by baiting/debating Clintons pardons.
Schoolground finger pointing =) He did it first! Nuh uh!, He did!
July 8th, 2007 at 1:59 pmThe only thing Americans are puzzeled about is how M12 rises to the level of stupidity that he does. Back under your bridge, Troll.
July 8th, 2007 at 2:01 pmI need emotional help. This is me crying out for help.
I need love too.
Mommy beats me.
July 8th, 2007 at 2:02 pmThese people side with the Iraqis, the Iranians… when do they plan on siding with the USA?
Comment by m12
Do you mean Reagan and GHWBush during Iran-Contra or GHWB in Iraqgate?
July 8th, 2007 at 2:06 pmI feel like a caption contest.
“Could you hold that mirror, yes that one, up right there, little to the left, stop. lemme turn my head a bit [squints eyes, purses lips] Lovely…just Lovely”
July 8th, 2007 at 2:06 pmI liked him in “City Slickers”.
July 8th, 2007 at 2:08 pmBill Clinton, for good or bad, is enormously popular.
It doesn’t matter how clever the GOP political doctors try to do it, drawing a comparison betwee Shrub and Bubba hurts the Republicans and helps Hillary.
Mr. President, m12, Mr. Kristol, do you know what the American public takes away from this little stunt where you drag Bill Clinton into an irrelevant fight? They all say, “Mmmmm…Clinton. I wish he was president again. Bring back the 90s!”
Remember when you thought you were going to destroy Clinton and the Democrats by impeaching him, and his ratings went through the roof while yours collapsed and Newt had to quit? Remember when you though the Terry Schiavo business was really going to be a home run for you? Remember when you spent two weeks attacking Speaker Pelosi for undermining George Bush’s foreign policy, and her approval rating when up? Same thing.
You’re simply too out of touch with the opinions and values of the American public, and it causes you to keep making these political blunders as you try to appeal to them. And yet, you can’t fix the problem, because your all-knowing “gut” keeps telling you that you really do speak for “real Americans.”
It’s going to be a fun election season, watching the Republican nominee grow increasingly frustrated as his “The Democrats want to bring back the 90s!” argument only increases the Dem candidate’s lead.
July 8th, 2007 at 2:09 pmCaption Contest:
“I’m so pleased with the White House that I’ve just soiled myself”
July 8th, 2007 at 2:09 pmCaption; [Holds up loosely doubled fleshy fist]
“Go Machiavellian, yeh”
July 8th, 2007 at 2:11 pmSome say he’s from Mars
Or one of the seven stars
That shine after 3:30 in the morning
WELL SHE ISN’T
Comment by Piscean
PLEASE!
July 8th, 2007 at 2:12 pmI liked him in “City Slickersâ€.
Comment by Keith G. — July 8, 2007 @ 2:08 pm
Now that cracked me up.
July 8th, 2007 at 2:13 pmCaption Contest:
“Black Power! My Muslim Brothers!”
July 8th, 2007 at 2:13 pmEven at an elite private school, I’m willing to bet that the childhood Kristol was punched in the face on a daily basis, just because of that smug look. Either that, or he spent his school years in solitary confinement.
July 8th, 2007 at 2:13 pmComment by keep you day job
That was a B-52 lyric =)
July 8th, 2007 at 2:15 pmWILLYLOMAN IS A NAME HIJACKER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Remember when you Lefties said that you disapproved of such things!
Well let’s see if you are true to your word!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Comment #127
http://thinkprogress.org/ 2007/ 07/ 08/ conyers-impeachment/ #comment-3918913
REMEMBER THIS WAYNE:
Anyone that does hijack a name usually gets imediate condemnation from the rest of the posters.
Comment by Wayne — July 3, 2007 @ 8:09 pm
YOU SAID IT HERE:
#237
http://thinkprogress.org/ 2007/ 07/ 03/ political-appointees-given-new-regulatory-powers/
imediate condemnation for willyloman!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
July 8th, 2007 at 2:17 pmI liked him in “City Slickersâ€.
Comment by Keith G. — July 8, 2007 @ 2:08 pm
Heh.
July 8th, 2007 at 2:17 pmCan someone please put this dog on a leash?
July 8th, 2007 at 2:18 pmYou know, I never hear from Democrats that they’re heartened by manipulative actions. But, they seem to be the life blood for Republican vampires:
So I regard this as an extremely clever Machiavellian move by the president. It cheers me up. It cheers me up about the Bush White House, and I’m really heartened.
July 8th, 2007 at 2:19 pmI doubt it was timed that way. Scooter lost the appeal, was facing jail, and might squeal, so Bush rushed to commute the sentence.
July 8th, 2007 at 2:19 pmWILLYLOMAN IS A NAME HIJACKER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Remember when you Lefties said that you disapproved of such things!
Well let’s see if you are true to your word!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Comment #127
http://thinkprogress.org/ 2007/ 07/ 08/ conyers-impeachment/ #comment-3918913
REMEMBER THIS WAYNE:
Anyone that does hijack a name usually gets imediate condemnation from the rest of the posters.
Comment by Wayne — July 3, 2007 @ 8:09 pm
YOU SAID IT HERE:
#237
http://thinkprogress.org/ 2007/ 07/ 03/ political-appointees-given-new-regulatory-powers/
IMMEDIATE CONDEMNATION for willyloman!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
July 8th, 2007 at 2:19 pmimediate condemnation for willyloman!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Comment by Mr. President — July 8, 2007 @ 2:17 pm
You’re so full of shit, Mr President.
Normally we would instantly condemn a name hijacker, but you post so much crap, who can tell the difference? Who even pays attention?
You said yesterday that reporting the name hijacking to TP was “snitching.” So I guess you’re in a bit of a bind, aren’t you?
Quit your b*tching.
July 8th, 2007 at 2:21 pmMr. President, m12, Mr. Kristol, do you know what the American public takes away from this little stunt where you drag Bill Clinton into an irrelevant fight? They all say, “Mmmmm…Clinton. I wish he was president again. Bring back the 90s!â€
You are right about that. But I don’t think m12 can see what he writes through the tears. Deep down inside he knows that a GOP bloodbath is coming in 2008.
July 8th, 2007 at 2:22 pmNope. I don’t think we will condemn willy.
Its ok if a liberal does it.
July 8th, 2007 at 2:22 pmWILLYLOMAN IS A NAME HIJACKER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Remember when you Lefties said that you disapproved of such things!
Well let’s see if you are true to your word!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Comment #127
http://thinkprogress.org/ 2007/ 07/ 08/ conyers-impeachment/ #comment-3918913
REMEMBER THIS WAYNE:
Anyone that does hijack a name usually gets imediate condemnation from the rest of the posters.
Comment by Wayne — July 3, 2007 @ 8:09 pm
YOU SAID IT HERE:
#237
http://thinkprogress.org/ 2007/ 07/ 03/ political-appointees-given-new-regulatory-powers/
IMMEDIATE CONDEMNATION for willyloman!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
July 8th, 2007 at 2:23 pmWe don’t even like Bill Kristol. He looks like a pompous sack of puss.
July 8th, 2007 at 2:23 pmAnyone that does hijack a name usually gets imediate condemnation from the rest of the posters.
Comment by Wayne
Comment by Mr. President
If he hijacked, report to TP
July 8th, 2007 at 2:24 pmAnd yep, anyone namejacking should be condemned for it, even if it’s namejackingb a useless troll such as yourself
It is against the terms of use
Hey I didn’t say that. Now they’re doing it to meeeeeee!!!!!
DAMN YOU LIBS!!!!!
July 8th, 2007 at 2:24 pmWell they’d better stop it.
July 8th, 2007 at 2:24 pmFREE WILLY!!!!
WILLY IS INNOCENT!!!
I LOVE WILLY!!!!!
WILLY IS WONDERFUL!!!!!
I DIDN’T MEAN TO BE SUCH A DICK
July 8th, 2007 at 2:24 pmFOLLOW THE LINK ZOOEY!
HE FORGOT TO TAKE THE LINK TO HIS WEBSITE OFF OF THE NAME, JUST LIKE HE DID WHEN HE WAS CARTMAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
DON’T BE A HYPOCRITE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
July 8th, 2007 at 2:25 pmEven though I am a dick.
July 8th, 2007 at 2:25 pmHey Zooey I didn’t say that. Someones messin with my handle.
July 8th, 2007 at 2:25 pmimediate condemnation for willyloman!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Comment by Mr. President
What makes you think that was willyloman. We all dislike you enough to not care who namejacked you. You reap what you sow.
July 8th, 2007 at 2:25 pmI’m a deeply troubled man.
July 8th, 2007 at 2:26 pmComment by Wayne — July 8, 2007 @ 2:24 pm
Thank you, Wayne, for your condemnation of the worthless piece of crap also known as willyloman.
July 8th, 2007 at 2:26 pmI love the caption idea:
“Talk to the fist…that is how you make a fist, isn’t it? Oh dear me.”
July 8th, 2007 at 2:26 pmI’m not even here. I went to the movies an hour ago.
July 8th, 2007 at 2:27 pmBut I don’t know how to sew.
My mom tried to teach me but my eyeglasses are too thick to see the little needle.
I think my mom called them “bottle lenses” or something like that.
July 8th, 2007 at 2:27 pmNope. I don’t think we will condemn willy.
Its ok if a liberal does it.
Comment by BARTLEBEE
No its not, namejacking is wrong, period.
Now if her had changed it like
comment by Mr. President is a dumbass
or
comment by Mr. Sh*thead President
That would be ok
July 8th, 2007 at 2:27 pmI DIDN’T MEAN TO BE SUCH A DICK
Comment by Mr.President
Yes you did, you always do.
July 8th, 2007 at 2:27 pmPiscean:
The B-52’s ?
July 8th, 2007 at 2:28 pmLOL., That explains it.
Real deep thinkers there.
Seriously Wayne thanks. Someones really screwing with me but you’re AOK in my book.
We should go out sometime.
July 8th, 2007 at 2:28 pmHE FORGOT TO TAKE THE LINK TO HIS WEBSITE OFF OF THE NAME, JUST LIKE HE DID WHEN HE WAS CARTMAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
DON’T BE A HYPOCRITE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Comment by Mr. President
willyloman, please don’t hijack Mr President’s name.
Mr President, report it to TP and quit your f*cking whining.
July 8th, 2007 at 2:28 pmFOLLOW THE LINK ON THE ORIGINAL POSTS ABOVE!
HE FORGOT TO TAKE THE LINK TO HIS WEBSITE OFF OF THE NAME, JUST LIKE HE DID WHEN HE WAS CARTMAN!
July 8th, 2007 at 2:28 pmWe should go out sometime.
Comment by Mr. President
lol
July 8th, 2007 at 2:29 pmComment by Zooey — July 8, 2007 @ 2:28 pm
TP won’t do anything.
July 8th, 2007 at 2:30 pmIT’S TIME TO OSTRACIZE THIS PIECE OF CRAP
Hey Zooey I didn’t say that. Someones messin with my handle.
Comment by Mr. President — July 8, 2007 @ 2:25 pm
Wow. I wonder what type of behavior you’ve exhibited that might inspire someone to do such a thing? Hmmm…..
Quit whining.
July 8th, 2007 at 2:31 pmOk. enough. He copied and pasted my link to his name because someone was messing with him.
I’m innocent, I tell ya?
And if you subpeana me, I’ll tell you all to F— off!
I’m not in the Executive Branch!
You got no right!
I want a pardon!
July 8th, 2007 at 2:31 pmFOLLOW THE LINK ON THE ORIGINAL POSTS ABOVE!
HE FORGOT TO TAKE THE LINK TO HIS WEBSITE OFF OF THE NAME, JUST LIKE HE DID WHEN HE WAS CARTMAN!
Comment by Mr. President
I followed and I saw what you referred to. Please stop yelling like a little child.
July 8th, 2007 at 2:32 pmThank you, Wayne, for your condemnation of the worthless piece of crap also known as willyloman.
Comment by Mr. President
I didn’t see any link to willyloman on the namejacked post. Which number are you talking about?
July 8th, 2007 at 2:32 pmkristol is *pleased* to see that the bush administration is being machiavellian…
He’s *cheered* to see this…
If this isn’t prima facie evidence that the bushies need to be impeached and kristol needs to be peddling his papers on street corners I don’t know what is.
July 8th, 2007 at 2:32 pmNo its not, namejacking is wrong, period.
Now if her had changed it like
comment by Mr. President is a dumbass
or
comment by Mr. Sh*thead President
That would be ok
Comment by Wayne — July 8, 2007 @ 2:27 pm
Oh quit yer crying. Don’t we have enough cry babies on the Sunday morning talk shows already?
Waaa waaaa waaaa . Every one play nice. Never mind that the right wing posters in here get away with murder, including name hijacking when they can’t beat one of us fairly. Never mind all that.
You just sit there like Katrina Vanderhooval, or Donna Brazille, and pretend to be the “nice guy”, and pretend to be “above all that”, while meanwhile they steamroll right over you.
As for me, I could care less what the left wing posters in here do, if it pisses off this little worm.
July 8th, 2007 at 2:33 pmIt maybe that I have a different sensibility or who knows what but can somebody please enlighten me on this whole “namejacking thing”. It seems sort of odd to me. Why is it done? What is the goal? What sort of person is apt to do it? Is it just to insult by intent or can it be uplifting? Just curious as I am sort of old-school and have little knowledge of electronic ettiquette.
July 8th, 2007 at 2:33 pmComment by Zooey — July 8, 2007 @ 2:31 pm
WILLY IS STILL FUKCING WITH YOU!
OSTRACIZE THIS PIECE OF CRAP!
July 8th, 2007 at 2:33 pmWe should go out sometime.
Comment by Mr. President
But you should know Wayne is straight.
July 8th, 2007 at 2:34 pmGod no wonder we get our asses handed to us every time we turn around.
July 8th, 2007 at 2:34 pmIT’S TIME TO OSTRACIZE THIS PIECE OF CRAP
Comment by Mr. President — July 8, 2007 @ 2:30 pm
That ain’t happening. Not on your say so! :D
Report to TP or shut the f*ck up.
July 8th, 2007 at 2:35 pmShane Comment
He uses my name, but he forgot to take off the link to his website:
#127
http://thinkprogress.org/ 2007/ 07/ 08/ conyers-impeachment/ #comment-3918913
July 8th, 2007 at 2:35 pmBut you should know Wayne is straight.
Comment by shane — July 8, 2007 @ 2:34 pm
Thats how I like them.
And if its curly, I’ll make it straight.
July 8th, 2007 at 2:35 pmIT’S TIME TO OSTRACIZE THIS PIECE OF CRAP
Comment by Mr. President
After you start posting more than sh*t
I saw the suspected namejack post and yes, it looks like a namejack because the post was much more articulate than yours ever are. Someone actually put some thought behind that post
July 8th, 2007 at 2:35 pmIt also had more than one line of idiocy that usually marks yours
=)
IT’S TIME TO OSTRACIZE THIS PIECE OF CRAP
Comment by Mr. President
Obviously we’re not too good at ostracizing people. You’re still here.
July 8th, 2007 at 2:35 pmalright now.
this ain’t me.
I’m funnier than that.
July 8th, 2007 at 2:36 pmI saw the suspected namejack post and yes, it looks like a namejack because the post was much more articulate than yours ever are.
Comment by Wayne — July 8, 2007 @ 2:35 pm
You saying I don’t speek too good?
July 8th, 2007 at 2:36 pmIT’S TIME TO OSTRACIZE THIS PIECE OF CRAP
Comment by Mr. President — July 8, 2007 @ 2:30 pm
We ostracize you, but you can’t take a hint.
Here’s how to stop it - go somewhere else!
July 8th, 2007 at 2:37 pmmother wont stop touching me
July 8th, 2007 at 2:37 pmAS m12 SAYS:
Democratic culture of corruption!
July 8th, 2007 at 2:38 pmnow see? that’s funny. oops
July 8th, 2007 at 2:38 pmYou got no right!
I want a pardon!
Comment by willyloman
I’m with you willyloman, anybody could have copied your link. And they would have done it for the good of the party. And party over country, we have to remember that if we’re going to beat the neocons and put the Constitution back into government.
July 8th, 2007 at 2:39 pmHere’s how to stop it - go somewhere else!
Comment by unbelievable — July 8, 2007 @ 2:37 pm
But no one else wants me around!!!!
I can’t figger out why either. I mean, just because I lie, and hijack peoples names when I can’t beat them in a fair debate, or just because I SPAM every thread with pages of nonsense everytime one of you makes a good point, is that any reason to not like me?
July 8th, 2007 at 2:39 pmI’m not even here. I went to the movies an hour ago.
Comment by willyloman
And I’ll vouch for him, I saw him a the movies.
July 8th, 2007 at 2:39 pmHe uses my name, but he forgot to take off the link to his website:
Comment by PRIMVS INTER PARES — July 8, 2007 @ 2:35 pm
Well, well, well… look who just ratted himself out.
I’m going with you set willyloman up.
July 8th, 2007 at 2:39 pmI’m not wearing any clothes at all!
July 8th, 2007 at 2:39 pmThat’s why you have no link Mr.President.
it slows you down when you keep changing names.
July 8th, 2007 at 2:40 pmnow, this is hardball!
thank you, sen. chuck schumer — out of new york!
and this is the way we do it, downtown. . .
here, senator chcuck schumer suggests that
there was a darker purpose behind choosing
commutation over outright pardon. . .
he also suggests that he and senator leahy
may yet call patrick fitzgerald to talk about
the cloud over the vice president — to
essentially restate his closing summation
from the libby criminal trial, before a
senate judiciary committee (read: televised!)
hearing, in the near future. . . YES!
do watch it — it is only 1:48 long. . .
July 8th, 2007 at 2:40 pmI have a sore that wont heal
July 8th, 2007 at 2:41 pmIt maybe that I have a different sensibility or who knows what but can somebody please enlighten me on this whole “namejacking thingâ€. It seems sort of odd to me. Why is it done? What is the goal? What sort of person is apt to do it? Is it just to insult by intent or can it be uplifting? Just curious as I am sort of old-school and have little knowledge of electronic ettiquette.
Comment by dbadass — July 8, 2007 @ 2:33 pm
It’s bad form to use someone else’s sign on name. I’ve had my name hijacked many times. Usually someone else notices first and smacks down the offender. If I see it right away, I post a comment disavowing said comment, and then copy the comment to TP, asking them to delete it. If it continues, I ask TP to ban the hijacker. They know when a name has been hijacked by the IP address — mine is always the same.
Mr President has had his name hijacked apparently, and chooses simply to whine and complain, rather than report it to TP, because he has some lame idea about snitching. So we’re supposed to do it for him, I guess. Yeah, right!
But Mr President has pulled so much crap on this board, that I wouldn’t put it past him to do this to himself — so there is a question in my mind as to whether or not willyloman actually did this.
July 8th, 2007 at 2:41 pmWILLY IS STILL FUKCING WITH YOU!
OSTRACIZE THIS PIECE OF CRAP!
Comment by PRIMVS INTER PARES
If we start ostracizing pieces of crap by rank, well you’re number one. CT is number 2. Well we have a lot of ostracizing before we get to willyloman.
July 8th, 2007 at 2:42 pmThis website is a ProMulsim website!
July 8th, 2007 at 2:42 pmIt should be renamed Think Islam!
is that any reason to not like me?
Comment by Mr. President — July 8, 2007 @ 2:39 pm
I truly hope you don’t get banned for this - the little brat deserves a BIG dose of his own medicine… And frankly, if this works, I’d say we all should do it :D
July 8th, 2007 at 2:42 pmI have a sore that wont heal
Comment by Mr.President — July 8, 2007 @ 2:41 pm
It’s called your head.
July 8th, 2007 at 2:42 pmWILLYLOMAN IS A NAME HIJACKER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Remember when you Lefties said that you disapproved of such things!
Well let’s see if you are true to your word!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Comment #127
http://thinkprogress.org/ 2007/ 07/ 08/ conyers-impeachment/ #comment-3918913
REMEMBER WAYNE SAID THIS:
Anyone that does hijack a name usually gets imediate condemnation from the rest of the posters.
Comment by Wayne — July 3, 2007 @ 8:09 pm
HE SAID IT HERE:
#237
http://thinkprogress.org/ 2007/ 07/ 03/ political-appointees-given-new-regulatory-powers/
IF YOU HAVE AS MUCH INTEGRITY AS WAYNE
IMMEDIATE CONDEMNATION for willyloman!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
July 8th, 2007 at 2:44 pmWhen a liberal hijacks the screen name of a conservative it hurts the argument for registration here.
Comment by The Captain — July 8, 2007 @ 2:40 pm
Oh bullshit. If anything it strengthens it.
Quit crying already.
July 8th, 2007 at 2:44 pmI’m still at the movies
July 8th, 2007 at 2:44 pmMr. President = PRIMVS INTER PARES
And then whines that since he clearly abandoned the screen name Mr. President for PIP, that no one else can use it… LOL
July 8th, 2007 at 2:45 pmSo the Jury does not count according Kristol…
July 8th, 2007 at 2:45 pmHe should be testifying himself about such statements and allegations.
How come he always seem to know all the tricks..
Does he have an open line with Cheney..or he just talks B.S.?
See, they love Wayne now.
Wayne has just risen in the eyes of the neocon trollscum to the stature of Alan Colmes.
July 8th, 2007 at 2:45 pmFukc you Zooey, you know I didn’t do this to myself!
July 8th, 2007 at 2:45 pmF*ck eyerack, I ain’t fightin’ no sand monkeys. That’s what the army is for moron. Their job is to fight FOR ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
July 8th, 2007 at 2:45 pmComment by Mr. President — June 6, 2007 @ 10:04 pm
unbelievable you are a moron, I changed names AFTER willyloman name-hijacked me!
July 8th, 2007 at 2:46 pmWILLY IS STILL FUKCING WITH YOU!
OSTRACIZE THIS PIECE OF CRAP!
Comment by PRIMVS INTER PARES
Report it and quit whining, you namechanging idiot.
July 8th, 2007 at 2:46 pmIts not like you have made any friends here with the crap you have been pulling.
What a baby
Mr. President DO NOT be distracted by the shiny penny, we’ll lose ourselves and forever be ensconced in the bubble. Concentrate on the reconciliation…please.
July 8th, 2007 at 2:47 pmis that any reason to not like me?
Comment by Mr. President
Why yest it is.
July 8th, 2007 at 2:47 pmWasn’t ‘Mr. President’ misrepresenting himself with that title to begin with?
July 8th, 2007 at 2:47 pmLook. He set it up initially so that he could get me back for pointing out he was racist for mixing up Conyers and Jefferson.
so then I… ok…I did the sore thing…and maybe one other.
But I was framed!
I did it because of the terrorist coming here!
Bill Clinton did it Tooooooooo!
Please forgive me. You stupid little troll.
was I right about the sore though?
July 8th, 2007 at 2:47 pmWILLYLOMAN IS A NAME HIJACKER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Remember when you Lefties said that you disapproved of such things!
Well let’s see if you are true to your word!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Comment #127
http://thinkprogress.org/ 2007/ 07/ 08/ conyers-impeachment/ #comment-3918913
REMEMBER WAYNE SAID THIS:
Anyone that does hijack a name usually gets imediate condemnation from the rest of the posters.
Comment by Wayne — July 3, 2007 @ 8:09 pm
HE SAID IT HERE:
#237
http://thinkprogress.org/ 2007/ 07/ 03/ political-appointees-given-new-regulatory-powers/
IF YOU HAVE AS MUCH INTEGRITY AS WAYNE
IMMEDIATE CONDEMNATION for willyloman!!!!!!!
July 8th, 2007 at 2:48 pm