Comments on: Savage to immigrants: ‘Go back to where you came from.’ http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/09/savage-to-immigrants-go-back-from-where-you-came-from/ Fri, 27 Nov 2009 01:23:47 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: "So There" http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/09/savage-to-immigrants-go-back-from-where-you-came-from/comment-page-2/#comment-4015326 "So There" Thu, 16 Aug 2007 09:27:18 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/07/09/savage-to-immigrants-go-back-from-where-you-came-from/#comment-4015326 anyone who agrees with savage needs to stick there head in a hole. he has no clue why these pepole come here . They come here to work, study, and feed there families. they are not terrorist nor bomb makers. What a shame if he thinks he represents all americans . That would say that all americans are bigots and ediots,we know that isn"t true! Just maybe he's afried they will do on to him what pepole like he, have done to immigrants for so meny years! If he is so unhappy here, why doesn't he go back where you came from. Oh! gee that would be the slug in the hole in the grown.---- P.S.-- thank God there still are some pepole with live souls, and a sense of realildy . Like some who express themself on this list. anyone who agrees with savage needs to stick there head in a hole. he has no clue why these pepole come here . They come here to work, study, and feed there families. they are not terrorist nor bomb makers. What a shame if he thinks he represents all americans . That would say that all americans are bigots and ediots,we know that isn”t true! Just maybe he’s afried they will do on to him what pepole like he, have done to immigrants for so meny years! If he is so unhappy here, why doesn’t he go back where you came from. Oh! gee that would be the slug in the hole in the grown.—- P.S.– thank God there still are some pepole with live souls, and a sense of realildy . Like some who express themself on this list.

]]> By: SickOfTheGOPLies http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/09/savage-to-immigrants-go-back-from-where-you-came-from/comment-page-2/#comment-3926416 SickOfTheGOPLies Wed, 11 Jul 2007 14:02:38 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/07/09/savage-to-immigrants-go-back-from-where-you-came-from/#comment-3926416 Hey Mike @ #84. Do some research into the ratings for talk radio and you'll see that Air America is kicking Rush and Hannity's ass all over the place. You act as if the domination of talk radio by right wing blowhards is because of the so-called "free market" at work. Bull. Aside from the fact that there is no such thing as the "free market", the truth is that corporate owners decide what gets on the air and not the "market". Ask Phil Donahue why his top rated show on MSNBC got cancelled in the runup to the Iraq War. His show got more viewers for MSNBC than any other program, which would translate into higher advertising revenue, etc., but yet because Donahue's anti-war views conflicted with the bottom line interests of GE (who owns MSNBC) he was cut. Air America has had its share of problems, like any business, but don't be so stupid as to assume that it is the entirety of progressive talk. It's not. Progressive talk radio has a market and is serving a segment of the market that right wing talk ignored for many years. Were the radio business truly run by market demands you'd see much more balance between right-wing and progressive talkers - in fact, they'd be up against each other on the same stations. Instead of segregated stations, they'd be integrated. Don't buy into the nonsense that "no one is listening". Do the research for yourself and see the truth. Hey Mike @ #84. Do some research into the ratings for talk radio and you’ll see that Air America is kicking Rush and Hannity’s ass all over the place.

You act as if the domination of talk radio by right wing blowhards is because of the so-called “free market” at work. Bull. Aside from the fact that there is no such thing as the “free market”, the truth is that corporate owners decide what gets on the air and not the “market”. Ask Phil Donahue why his top rated show on MSNBC got cancelled in the runup to the Iraq War. His show got more viewers for MSNBC than any other program, which would translate into higher advertising revenue, etc., but yet because Donahue’s anti-war views conflicted with the bottom line interests of GE (who owns MSNBC) he was cut.

Air America has had its share of problems, like any business, but don’t be so stupid as to assume that it is the entirety of progressive talk. It’s not. Progressive talk radio has a market and is serving a segment of the market that right wing talk ignored for many years. Were the radio business truly run by market demands you’d see much more balance between right-wing and progressive talkers – in fact, they’d be up against each other on the same stations. Instead of segregated stations, they’d be integrated.

Don’t buy into the nonsense that “no one is listening”. Do the research for yourself and see the truth.

]]> By: SickOfTheGOPLies http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/09/savage-to-immigrants-go-back-from-where-you-came-from/comment-page-2/#comment-3926393 SickOfTheGOPLies Wed, 11 Jul 2007 13:47:27 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/07/09/savage-to-immigrants-go-back-from-where-you-came-from/#comment-3926393 OK... anytime someone uses the term "Libs" to address progressives, liberals, Democrats, etc. you know they're full of $hit and they only get their "news" from folks like Limbaugh. Conservatives like Savage/Weiner, and many commentors in this thread, are hung up on the term "illegal immigrant." They foam and froth and scream bloody murder over it. They act as if the only problem is with people breaking immigration laws. That is not the case. The real problem is with undocumented WORKERS. The term that we should all be using is "illegal labor". THAT is the problem. Employers who choose to hire undocumented workers are the true criminals. They are leveraging the willingness of undocumented immigrants to work for less money to drive down the cost of labor across the board. They are profiting off of the decreased labor costs that come with hiring compromised employees. Anyone who seriously wants to address the immigration issue should be focusing on one thing: enforcement of labor laws. Each and every employer in this country should be held responsible for verifying the legal status of its employees. Any employer found knowingly using undocumented workers should be imprisoned. Fine them too if you want to, but prison time should be compulsory. If we were to put the CEO of WalMart (or another large company who routinely uses undocumented workers) in prison for ONE NIGHT there would be a "great whooshing sound" of undocumented immigrants heading back across the border. Work is the only reason that 98% of them are here. If they can't come here and get a job, they will go back home. OK… anytime someone uses the term “Libs” to address progressives, liberals, Democrats, etc. you know they’re full of $hit and they only get their “news” from folks like Limbaugh.

Conservatives like Savage/Weiner, and many commentors in this thread, are hung up on the term “illegal immigrant.” They foam and froth and scream bloody murder over it. They act as if the only problem is with people breaking immigration laws. That is not the case. The real problem is with undocumented WORKERS.

The term that we should all be using is “illegal labor”. THAT is the problem. Employers who choose to hire undocumented workers are the true criminals. They are leveraging the willingness of undocumented immigrants to work for less money to drive down the cost of labor across the board. They are profiting off of the decreased labor costs that come with hiring compromised employees.

Anyone who seriously wants to address the immigration issue should be focusing on one thing: enforcement of labor laws. Each and every employer in this country should be held responsible for verifying the legal status of its employees. Any employer found knowingly using undocumented workers should be imprisoned. Fine them too if you want to, but prison time should be compulsory. If we were to put the CEO of WalMart (or another large company who routinely uses undocumented workers) in prison for ONE NIGHT there would be a “great whooshing sound” of undocumented immigrants heading back across the border. Work is the only reason that 98% of them are here. If they can’t come here and get a job, they will go back home.

]]> By: MSK http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/09/savage-to-immigrants-go-back-from-where-you-came-from/comment-page-2/#comment-3924945 MSK Tue, 10 Jul 2007 21:45:56 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/07/09/savage-to-immigrants-go-back-from-where-you-came-from/#comment-3924945 What is Savage saying about the corporations that are all-to-willing to pass over Americans to hire immigrants (illegal or otherwise) who are willing to work for next to nothing? Savage doesn't deal with that reality because he would no longer be able to worship the gods of capitalism. It's an irony to witness GOP-greed-apologists go after illegal immigrants rather than bash those who give illegals the incentives to keep on coming here. If employers were forced to only hire legals, there would be no incentive to jump the fence. But, it is far easier to demonize illegals and scapegoat them rather than get at the root of the problem. And with a non-thinking audience that is eager to blame, you've got a recipe for a "successful" talk show. What is Savage saying about the corporations that are all-to-willing to pass over Americans to hire immigrants (illegal or otherwise) who are willing to work for next to nothing? Savage doesn’t deal with that reality because he would no longer be able to worship the gods of capitalism.

It’s an irony to witness GOP-greed-apologists go after illegal immigrants rather than bash those who give illegals the incentives to keep on coming here. If employers were forced to only hire legals, there would be no incentive to jump the fence.

But, it is far easier to demonize illegals and scapegoat them rather than get at the root of the problem. And with a non-thinking audience that is eager to blame, you’ve got a recipe for a “successful” talk show.

]]> By: mike http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/09/savage-to-immigrants-go-back-from-where-you-came-from/comment-page-2/#comment-3924803 mike Tue, 10 Jul 2007 21:16:19 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/07/09/savage-to-immigrants-go-back-from-where-you-came-from/#comment-3924803 What is wrong with you people? If your progressive ideals were so palatable Air America wouldn’t have gone into bankruptcy or embezzled funds from a charity. Conservative talk radio garners ratings and advertisers want shows with ratings. If the sound of a bird singing got high ratings advertisers would buy the time! I don’t presume to know why people don’t want to listen to Progressive (or Liberal) talk radio in numbers great enough to make the format a success. You must face the fact that when it comes to Progressive talk… no one is listening. What is wrong with you people? If your progressive ideals were so palatable Air America wouldn’t have gone into bankruptcy or embezzled funds from a charity. Conservative talk radio garners ratings and advertisers want shows with ratings. If the sound of a bird singing got high ratings advertisers would buy the time!

I don’t presume to know why people don’t want to listen to Progressive (or Liberal) talk radio in numbers great enough to make the format a success. You must face the fact that when it comes to Progressive talk… no one is listening.

]]> By: stephen http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/09/savage-to-immigrants-go-back-from-where-you-came-from/comment-page-2/#comment-3923328 stephen Tue, 10 Jul 2007 15:00:32 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/07/09/savage-to-immigrants-go-back-from-where-you-came-from/#comment-3923328 Michael Savage- You are on someone else's land that you and your people took illegally. You must all go back to where you came from. We who are native born will stay here and devise a plan for you to come to this country legally. The plan will include learning to speak the native born language of the area where you wish to settle. You will be required to pay taxes...etc. In the meantime get off my land and take your trash back with you. Michael Savage-
You are on someone else’s land that you and your people took illegally. You must all go back to where you came from. We who are native born will stay here and devise a plan for you to come to this country legally. The plan will include learning to speak the native born language of the area where you wish to settle. You will be required to pay taxes…etc. In the meantime get off my land and take your trash back with you.

]]> By: chester http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/09/savage-to-immigrants-go-back-from-where-you-came-from/comment-page-2/#comment-3923076 chester Tue, 10 Jul 2007 12:44:40 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/07/09/savage-to-immigrants-go-back-from-where-you-came-from/#comment-3923076 it not hate speach they are here illegally, the broke our laws, they are a burden on tax payers. how is it hate speech to tell people that are here illegally to go home. it waters down the idea of hate speech, which should be reserved for when some uses racial slurs or calls a fat woman blimpy. it not hate speach

they are here illegally, the broke our laws, they are a burden on tax payers.

how is it hate speech to tell people that are here illegally to go home.

it waters down the idea of hate speech, which should be reserved for when some uses racial slurs or calls a fat woman blimpy.

]]> By: Jericho http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/09/savage-to-immigrants-go-back-from-where-you-came-from/comment-page-2/#comment-3923003 Jericho Tue, 10 Jul 2007 08:29:48 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/07/09/savage-to-immigrants-go-back-from-where-you-came-from/#comment-3923003 Pssst, Savage. You too did not originally come from the US. You may have been "made in the US", but all your grandparents certainly were not. If it weren't for immigration, you would have been born in old Europe, mkay? Come back to where you came from, you'll learn why the whole world hates the US: it's because the US is full of people who are stupid enough to pay attention to an ignoramus like yourself. Pssst, Savage. You too did not originally come from the US. You may have been “made in the US”, but all your grandparents certainly were not. If it weren’t for immigration, you would have been born in old Europe, mkay? Come back to where you came from, you’ll learn why the whole world hates the US: it’s because the US is full of people who are stupid enough to pay attention to an ignoramus like yourself.

]]> By: dbadass http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/09/savage-to-immigrants-go-back-from-where-you-came-from/comment-page-2/#comment-3922950 dbadass Tue, 10 Jul 2007 07:13:34 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/07/09/savage-to-immigrants-go-back-from-where-you-came-from/#comment-3922950 The table is set and there's room for all. I say let them come as they have since the start. The scary ones that don't look like us may have to sit at the card table fro a few generations but you know they're still welcome The table is set and there’s room for all. I say let them come as they have since the start. The scary ones that don’t look like us may have to sit at the card table fro a few generations but you know they’re still welcome

]]> By: Karim http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/09/savage-to-immigrants-go-back-from-where-you-came-from/comment-page-2/#comment-3922873 Karim Tue, 10 Jul 2007 05:52:27 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/07/09/savage-to-immigrants-go-back-from-where-you-came-from/#comment-3922873 Savage is a braindead fool. Savage is a braindead fool.

]]> By: Ace http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/09/savage-to-immigrants-go-back-from-where-you-came-from/comment-page-2/#comment-3922736 Ace Tue, 10 Jul 2007 04:49:11 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/07/09/savage-to-immigrants-go-back-from-where-you-came-from/#comment-3922736 Savage is not an American, he's a j*w. Nothing worse than a redneck j*w, lol! Whoever listens to him is a total fool. Savage is not an American, he’s a j*w. Nothing worse than a redneck j*w, lol! Whoever listens to him is a total fool.

]]> By: Mistress Z http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/09/savage-to-immigrants-go-back-from-where-you-came-from/comment-page-2/#comment-3922323 Mistress Z Tue, 10 Jul 2007 02:46:50 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/07/09/savage-to-immigrants-go-back-from-where-you-came-from/#comment-3922323 <em>OMG!! I wrote this in the wrong place.. SORRY!! I didn’t intend to put this here… Can it be deleted??? Comment by JG </em> No harm done. :) OMG!! I wrote this in the wrong place.. SORRY!! I didn’t intend to put this here… Can it be deleted???
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No harm done. :)

]]> By: ckerst http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/09/savage-to-immigrants-go-back-from-where-you-came-from/comment-page-2/#comment-3922303 ckerst Tue, 10 Jul 2007 02:39:16 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/07/09/savage-to-immigrants-go-back-from-where-you-came-from/#comment-3922303 and force their culture on our society?*********************** at least America would HAVE some culture then. What is American culture, killing every living thing in sight? and force their culture on our society?***********************
at least America would HAVE some culture then. What is American culture, killing every living thing in sight?

]]> By: Gregor Samsa http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/09/savage-to-immigrants-go-back-from-where-you-came-from/comment-page-2/#comment-3922293 Gregor Samsa Tue, 10 Jul 2007 02:35:36 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/07/09/savage-to-immigrants-go-back-from-where-you-came-from/#comment-3922293 <i>Comment by Probus — July 9, 2007 @ 10:18 pm</i> Being a <strike>compassionate</strike> conservative means never having to say you're sorry. Comment by Probus — July 9, 2007 @ 10:18 pm

Being a compassionate conservative means never having to say you’re sorry.

]]> By: Probus http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/09/savage-to-immigrants-go-back-from-where-you-came-from/comment-page-2/#comment-3922257 Probus Tue, 10 Jul 2007 02:18:43 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/07/09/savage-to-immigrants-go-back-from-where-you-came-from/#comment-3922257 Savage's comments are racist and anti-American. This is by far the most un-Christian thing he can say to another human being. What would Christ think of his un-Christian behavior? They are fasting for a good cause. They are not hurting anyone. Unfortunately for Savage he doesn't get to decide who gets to stay here and who gets to leave. These individuals are not getting educated for free. They are paying for their education and deserve to be here. He is equating them with terrorists. He is wrong to do so. He owes them an apology. Savage’s comments are racist and anti-American. This is by far the most un-Christian thing he can say to another human being. What would Christ think of his un-Christian behavior? They are fasting for a good cause. They are not hurting anyone. Unfortunately for Savage he doesn’t get to decide who gets to stay here and who gets to leave. These individuals are not getting educated for free. They are paying for their education and deserve to be here. He is equating them with terrorists. He is wrong to do so. He owes them an apology.

]]> By: The Rev http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/09/savage-to-immigrants-go-back-from-where-you-came-from/comment-page-2/#comment-3922200 The Rev Tue, 10 Jul 2007 01:58:57 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/07/09/savage-to-immigrants-go-back-from-where-you-came-from/#comment-3922200 “Any good reasons why these people should be given green cards? Comment by No-one in particular — July 9, 2007″ Yes. If they have valuable skills it's in our interest. “Any good reasons why these people should be given green cards?

Comment by No-one in particular — July 9, 2007″

Yes. If they have valuable skills it’s in our interest.

]]> By: tony http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/09/savage-to-immigrants-go-back-from-where-you-came-from/comment-page-2/#comment-3922188 tony Tue, 10 Jul 2007 01:53:03 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/07/09/savage-to-immigrants-go-back-from-where-you-came-from/#comment-3922188 Dont you see that this speech is more of a promotional stunt. Paris Hilton, Micheal Jackson and anyone in the public eye uses the media to get noticed. If he just said illegals should go home, he never would have made this website. On the other hand, what would the left do about the illegal aliens coming across the borders? And realize before you answer, that anyone who works in the meatpacking industry, contruction, lawn care and maintenance as well as Hotel workers that the average wage has gone down in all of these fields because of an oversupply of labor. I thought the left was the dmeocraticic farm/labor party. Dont you see that this speech is more of a promotional stunt. Paris Hilton, Micheal Jackson and anyone in the public eye uses the media to get noticed. If he just said illegals should go home, he never would have made this website.
On the other hand, what would the left do about the illegal aliens coming across the borders? And realize before you answer, that anyone who works in the meatpacking industry, contruction, lawn care and maintenance as well as Hotel workers that the average wage has gone down in all of these fields because of an oversupply of labor. I thought the left was the dmeocraticic farm/labor party.

]]> By: Wayne http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/09/savage-to-immigrants-go-back-from-where-you-came-from/comment-page-2/#comment-3922114 Wayne Tue, 10 Jul 2007 01:23:52 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/07/09/savage-to-immigrants-go-back-from-where-you-came-from/#comment-3922114 Its 2007 buddy and times have changed since peace pipes an bows and arrows. Comment by drock Religious freedom, we still use the pipe in ceremonies, just like we still use sweat lodges. frankly we have more to worry about with the FBI spying on us at sun dances and such than we have to worry about immigrants Its 2007 buddy and times have changed since peace pipes an bows and arrows.

Comment by drock

Religious freedom, we still use the pipe in ceremonies, just like we still use sweat lodges.
frankly we have more to worry about with the FBI spying on us at sun dances and such than we have to worry about immigrants

]]> By: OxyCon http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/09/savage-to-immigrants-go-back-from-where-you-came-from/comment-page-2/#comment-3922104 OxyCon Tue, 10 Jul 2007 01:21:36 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/07/09/savage-to-immigrants-go-back-from-where-you-came-from/#comment-3922104 This is why right wingers have a lock on AM "Hate Speech" radio. Hating is the only thing right wingers can do better than "Libruls". Motion pictures, Broadway theater, Dance, Music recording industry, Network and cable television, Print media, etc., all contolled by the evil "Libruls". But for some reason the evil "Libruls" can't control AM "Hate Speech" radio. It's because of the hate, which is what AM radio is selling, sponsored of course by Conservative Corporations in that good old Repub Welfare system they created. This is why right wingers have a lock on AM “Hate Speech” radio.
Hating is the only thing right wingers can do better than “Libruls”.
Motion pictures, Broadway theater, Dance, Music recording industry, Network and cable television, Print media, etc., all contolled by the evil “Libruls”.
But for some reason the evil “Libruls” can’t control AM “Hate Speech” radio.
It’s because of the hate, which is what AM radio is selling, sponsored of course by Conservative Corporations in that good old Repub Welfare system they created.

]]> By: Wayne http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/09/savage-to-immigrants-go-back-from-where-you-came-from/comment-page-2/#comment-3922098 Wayne Tue, 10 Jul 2007 01:19:18 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/07/09/savage-to-immigrants-go-back-from-where-you-came-from/#comment-3922098 The Indians have only themselves to blame, who taught the original white settlers how to survive in the 1st place? Comment by beefeater Right you are, we were too kind for our own good =) The Indians have only themselves to blame, who taught the original white settlers how to survive in the 1st place?

Comment by beefeater

Right you are, we were too kind for our own good =)

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