Bush Recycles Interminable Iraq-9/11 Myth To Resurrect Support For Failing Policy
Bush Recycles Interminable Iraq-9/11 Myth To Resurrect Support For Failing Policy
This afternoon, President Bush recycled the false claim he has made many times prior to and since the Iraq war began, inciting fear that Iraq has some connection to 9/11.
Prior to the war, Bush referred to Saddam Hussein “often in the same breath with Sept. 11,” reinforcing “an impression that persists among much of the American public.”
Today, Bush engaged in a similar rhetorical maneuver. “The same people that attacked us on September the 11th is a crowd that is now bombing people, killing innocent men, women and children, many of whom are Muslims,” Bush said.
Watch it:
“It was the second time in two weeks that Bush has made the link in an apparent attempt to transform lingering fear of another U.S. terrorist attack into backing for the current buildup of U.S. troops in Iraq.” While many in the media gloss over such false statements, Jonathan Landay of McClatchy Newspapers debunked it, just as he did frequently prior to the war. Landay wrote that Bush’s claim is misleading on two counts:
1) Prior To The War, Al Qaeda Was Not Operating In Iraq. “Al Qaida in Iraq didn’t emerge until 2004. While it is inspired by Osama bin Laden’s violent ideology, there’s no evidence that the Iraq organization is under the control of the terrorist leader or his top aides, who are believed to be hiding in tribal regions of Pakistan bordering Afghanistan.”
2) Even Now, Al Qaeda Is Not The Main Source Of Instability. “While U.S. intelligence and military officials view al Qaida in Iraq as a serious threat, they say the main source of violence and instability is an ongoing contest for power between majority Shiites and Sunnis, who dominated Saddam Hussein’s regime.”
False claims cultivated the war in Iraq, and unfortunately continue to sustain it.
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Dog don't hunt,
July 10th, 2007 at 11:33 pmHe's selling, we ain't buyin,
Fool me once,
No thanks assh@
Boy, talk about your one-trick ponies...
July 10th, 2007 at 11:33 pmAnd in a little while, the cons will say "Bush never tied Iraq to 9/11. Find me a quote where he did!"
July 10th, 2007 at 11:35 pmFor the Bush administration, the marketing of the "surge" in Iraq more and more looks like an ad for a Hollywood flop. In this case, the box office numbers are in and the film is a dismal failure. And yet a small but reliable group of friendly critics continues to offer rave reviews for "Iraq: The Surge."
For the details, see:
July 10th, 2007 at 11:36 pm"Iraq Surge Wins Rave Reviews."
And the neoCONs and other koolaid drinkers will be telling us what an honest man he is again.
July 10th, 2007 at 11:39 pmI'm just waiting for Conservatron (in that or another of his aliases), m-12, Flaco, Tracy, Mr. President (in that or another of his aliases), Partrick 1, Kilo, vapidvenus, etc. to spin this one.
Bush knows that his base followers believe his lies, so lying is all he has now.
July 10th, 2007 at 11:40 pmI can't wait to see which of the IQ-challenged trolls come on and try to support this steaming pile of bush-shit!
July 10th, 2007 at 11:40 pmOk, I get credit for this one!
"White House in ‘panic mode.’ABC News reports that White House is “in panic mode†over the recent defections of Republican senators on the President’s Iraq policy"
July 10th, 2007 at 11:42 pm
Look at the audience in the pic behind Bush. They are eating up everything he spews. They are typical ugly brain-dead GOPers.
July 10th, 2007 at 11:42 pmI just saw McCain talking in the Senate about how well the surge was going. But he was reading from a script right off the podium and it seemed like it was making him sick to read it. Have any of you seen that?
July 10th, 2007 at 11:42 pmHe has nothing - nothing!
July 10th, 2007 at 11:43 pmHe has only lies, fabrications, and his personal delusions.
Now if the media would call him out on it, report the facts to show how phony he is, like Landay has done, or like Moore did on CNN, we'd all be in a far better place.
Show him in his present pathetic state, then point out how wrong he is -- even the most dense American will get the picture.
His mannerisms remind me of Jimmy Swaggert.
Is it just me or does anyone agree?
July 10th, 2007 at 11:43 pmHence the "gut feeling" from the Fourth Horseman of the Apocalypse, Micheal Chertoff about a 'terror attack'.
Keep the people scared and you can keep them in your corner.
-GSD
July 10th, 2007 at 11:43 pmThat's a good one! BnF
July 10th, 2007 at 11:44 pmCleveland, Ohio is where Bush went > mostly white Republican enclave.
July 10th, 2007 at 11:44 pm#11...ditto here.
I can't watch this video, as Bush scares me and pisses me off at the same time.
I'm just afraid he's planning the next terrorist attack on US soil. Yes, you read that right.
July 10th, 2007 at 11:44 pm#12 His mannerisms remind me of Jimmy Swaggert.
Is it just me or does anyone agree?
Comment by jharp
I was thinking more like a bad version of a gay John Wayne and Ted Haggard.
Even Barney is avoiding this sick phuck!
July 10th, 2007 at 11:45 pmthey are going to cut some deal with the Republicans to make some small troop reduction in exchange for keeping a sizable force there to protect their newfound oil fields.
And Bush can't even lie about it anymore with a straight face. Nor can McCain.
July 10th, 2007 at 11:45 pmHey Bush!
Shut up!
We already knew that.
July 10th, 2007 at 11:47 pmJust make sure that they all die.
theres a great line in "the King of Scotland" where the doctor is finally faced with the wrath of Idi Amin, and he says "You are still a child. And that is what frightens me"
July 10th, 2007 at 11:47 pmIf he straightens that arm out just a bit, you can almost hear him saying
July 10th, 2007 at 11:47 pm"SEIG HEIL"
I have too much time on my hands so I had C SPAN on watching the Senate debate, and some of the press conferences after, concerning the Defense Authorization Bill. I had to turn it off, because Linseed Graham really was pissing me off. I cannot tell you how often that guy said Al-Qaeda in a few short minutes. Do these idiots think before they speak?
He kept emphasizing how, having just returned from there, that the people are sooo greatfull that we are there to protect them from Al-Qaeda and how they beg please don't leave, we do not want to live under Al-Qaeda, and how badly they hate Al-Qaeda.
They seem to have plenty of bombs and guns and stuff, and they seem to have no problem blowing up Americans, so why do they need US to protect them from Al-Qaeda? When we leave, they will be able to give their un-divided attention to Al-Qaeda.
Yet that was Lindsey's big reason why we can't leave; we have to stay and protect the poor defenseless Iraqis from...I can't type it again. You know who!
Been reading up on Leo Strauss, Irving Kristol and the philosphy of the neocons. The 'noble lie' is totally acceptable when necessary, the masses are too dumb to be trusted with the truth, the elite should rule, and perpetual war, maintaining a constant enemy, keeps us from getting too fat and lazy. Oh Brother!
July 10th, 2007 at 11:49 pmtheres a great line in “the King of Scotland†where the doctor is finally faced with the wrath of Idi Amin, and he says “You are still a child. And that is what frightens meâ€
Comment by willyloman
That's a frickin' intense movie.
July 10th, 2007 at 11:49 pmBreaking....
Congressman Denies Affair With Prostitute, Says Charges Are Politically Motivated
by Christopher Tidmore
PoliticsLA.com columnist
posted by March 26, 2004
For the first time, Congressman David Vitter has spoken out publically about allegations that he carried on an eleven month affair with a known prostitute named Wendy Cortez.
On WSMB radio last Saturday, a caller who identified himself as Elwood asked Vitter about charges, made by a member of the Louisiana Republican State Central Committee in the Weekly that the then-State Representative, had had an affair with a known prosition in the French Quarter. Elwood continued, "Would you be willing to sign an affidavit that you have ever known, met or had relations with one Wendy Cortez."
Vitter responded, "I think you know that that alligation is abosultely and completely untrue...I have said that on numerous occassions...I'll say that in any forum...Unfortuanately, that's just crass Louisiana politics, now that I am running for the Senate. I have made that clear that it is alll completely untrue...And, it's obviously politically motivated."
July 10th, 2007 at 11:50 pmZoo,
Didn't Forest Whittacker do a great job!
I kept thinking that Idi Amin looked so much like Dubya... just that Amin had more intelligence and had more humanity.
July 10th, 2007 at 11:52 pmI guess I hit too close to home with my second comment. It's gone now.
July 10th, 2007 at 11:55 pmsame people...
could it be.... U.S. black ops?
July 10th, 2007 at 11:57 pm#25 Briseadh na Faire
You just added more ore to the FBI data mine!
July 10th, 2007 at 11:57 pmtest
Comment by Briseadh na Faire — July 10, 2007 @ 11:57 pm
July 10th, 2007 at 11:57 pmAQ in Iraq was created by Bush's ill conceived, poorly planned, ineptly executed war on Iraq. The other AQ, the one that attacked the US on 9-11? Bush let them escape from Bora Bora.
What a useless piece of subhuman filth he is.
July 10th, 2007 at 11:58 pmArthur C.
July 10th, 2007 at 11:59 pmNow you're in the database.
How is it that al Qaeda is developing the knack for standing on America's future oil supply? Freaky
July 10th, 2007 at 11:59 pmBeen reading up on Leo Strauss, Irving Kristol and the philosphy of the neocons. The ‘noble lie’ is totally acceptable when necessary, the masses are too dumb to be trusted with the truth, the elite should rule, and perpetual war, maintaining a constant enemy, keeps us from getting too fat and lazy. Oh Brother!
Comment by funky p
Comes from The Republic and it is quite brilliant, actually. Much like the process the Nazi's developed. Very effective, evil, but terribly effective.
Look at the last 5 years. How much money they have stolen. How much industry they have created for their corporate partners in the new territory of Iraq. They can't leave that. All the coporate investment would be gone like Cuba right before the Revolution.
They would lose billions. Maybe trillions. Not to mention the oil.
They did all of this right under the nose of the American people and all they had to do was mention 9-11 or the troops or Islam, and they got away with it.
They have so convoluted this system of justice even the AG lies to the Senate and the House...and they get away with it.
Clinton couldn't get away with redefining what sex "is" and these people's lies are exposed daily about death and theft and crimes unspealkable...and they get away with it.
Because of the Power of the Noble Lies. Religion and Nation and a destiny to bring to the world "democracy".
Brilliant.
July 10th, 2007 at 11:59 pm1) Prior To The War, Al Qaeda Was Not Operating In Iraq. “Al Qaida in Iraq didn’t emerge until 2004.
Let me check the date... Oh, it's 2007! I guess al-Qaida has emerged. Let's kill them.
2) Even Now, Al Qaeda Is Not The Main Source Of Instability. “While U.S. intelligence and military officials view al Qaida in Iraq as a serious threat, they say the main source of violence and instability is an ongoing contest for power between majority Shiites and Sunnis, who dominated Saddam Hussein’s regime.â€
Okay. Let's kill them too.
July 11th, 2007 at 12:00 am#
1) Prior To The War, Al Qaeda Was Not Operating In Iraq. “Al Qaida in Iraq didn’t emerge until 2004.
Let me check the date… Oh, it’s 2007! I guess al-Qaida has emerged. Let’s kill them.
2) Even Now, Al Qaeda Is Not The Main Source Of Instability. “While U.S. intelligence and military officials view al Qaida in Iraq as a serious threat, they say the main source of violence and instability is an ongoing contest for power between majority Shiites and Sunnis, who dominated Saddam Hussein’s regime.â€
Okay. Let’s kill them too.
Comment by PiP — July 11, 2007 @ 12:00 am
Been reading Irving Kristol?
July 11th, 2007 at 12:03 amBeen reading Irving Kristol?
Comment by funky p
if PIP could read, would he be one of the last 26%?
July 11th, 2007 at 12:07 amArthur C.
July 11th, 2007 at 12:08 amThat would make a lovely lawn ornament for 1600 Pennsylvania Ave.
Shit Arturo, looks like they took down your head on a pike post.
July 11th, 2007 at 12:11 amDidn’t Forest Whittacker do a great job!
I kept thinking that Idi Amin looked so much like Dubya… just that Amin had more intelligence and had more humanity.
Comment by upside00
He did a great job! Did he win the Oscar? I thought he should, if he was nominated.
You're right, Amin was more cuddly than Chimpy. :D
July 11th, 2007 at 12:17 amOlbermann has now started the "Bush Turning Into Nixon" clock. He is now at 7 o'clock. We now watch as the pressure builds, and how the inevitable will come down. I believe that Bush will eventually have to confess the truth and admit that Dick Cheney was behind all the poor decisions from Iraq to Wiretapping. He will ask him to resign, but instead Cheney will evoke his own super-secret vice-executive privilege and barricade himself inside the Vice President's office. We already know he's not afraid to shoot.
I am above the law!
July 11th, 2007 at 12:18 amOkay. Let’s kill them too.
Comment by PiP
You certainly are willing to send people to their deaths. Are you willing to personally kill them?
July 11th, 2007 at 12:19 amYou gotta love those folks at McClatchy Newspapers. They are pretty much the only newspaper that is capable of independent thought and they are almost always the newspaper that breaks a new story because they actually do investigative reporting. It's too bad we don't have more news outlets like them. It might be a very different world today.
July 11th, 2007 at 12:25 ami am still baffled as to why it is that this supposedly "democratic" congress cannot put this little criminal in his place. and i'm mystified as to why they've let him get away with these treasonous lies for so long. don't democrats read blogs or are they afraid of the internets too.
July 11th, 2007 at 12:27 amHe did a great job! Did he win the Oscar? I thought he should, if he was nominated.
You’re right, Amin was more cuddly than Chimpy. :D
Comment by Zooey
yes
July 11th, 2007 at 12:27 amyes
Comment by willyloman
Cool. :)
July 11th, 2007 at 12:28 amwhat a f..ing idiot bush is
July 11th, 2007 at 12:29 amSeveral of those guys on the first row look like they can't wait for chimpy to finish his speech...so they can mount that leg again...to do some real humpin.
July 11th, 2007 at 12:30 amzooey. you see the note from veritas?
July 11th, 2007 at 12:31 amOoh deleting disagreement with your thesis, Faiz? Shame on you. I worked hard on that....
July 11th, 2007 at 12:31 amI think that people pretty much get it that al Qaeda is not the problem in Iraq. The civil war and our occupation of their country is Iraq's problem. They tolerate al Qaeda now because they are helping kill Americans. But I guarantee the day we leave, Iraq will kick al Qaeda's asses out of their country very quickly. And since even our own military estimate that al Qaeda is only 2-5% of the people fighting in Iraq, kicking them out will be a breeze for the Iraqi's.
Bush is a classic case of crying wolf. No one's listening any more.
July 11th, 2007 at 12:32 amzooey. you see the note from veritas?
Comment by willyloman
Yes, thanks willy. :)
July 11th, 2007 at 12:33 amHe is always talking to the brain dead, bottom dwelling, knuckle dragging, morons of his 28% base...the trailer trash troglodytes of the reichwing.
July 11th, 2007 at 12:34 amHe is always talking to the brain dead, bottom dwelling, knuckle dragging, morons of his 28% base…the trailer trash troglodytes of the reichwing.
Comment by kasinca
I strongly disagree with that, kasinca!!
26%
:-)
July 11th, 2007 at 12:35 amThe Iraqi people will submit to whomever has the biggest guns at any given time. Once all the sectarian sh*t "works itself out" al-Qaida could easily run the place like the Taliban in Afganistan. If we stay, some Iraqis might stand a chance, that is, unless they start to act up.
July 11th, 2007 at 12:37 amI strongly disagree with that, kasinca!!
26%
:-)
Comment by Zooey — July 11, 2007 @ 12:35 am
I was gonna say! But it's just a number, I guess, which will probably be lower tomorrow.
July 11th, 2007 at 12:37 amThe Iraqi people will submit to whomever has the biggest guns at any given time. Once all the sectarian sh*t “works itself out†al-Qaida could easily run the place like the Taliban in Afganistan. If we stay, some Iraqis might stand a chance, that is, unless they start to act up.
Comment by PiP — July 11, 2007 @ 12:37 am
I wonder if we'll ever get our act together to test your little theory.
July 11th, 2007 at 12:39 amI strongly disagree with that, kasinca!!
26%
:-)
Comment by Zooey — July 11, 2007 @ 12:35 am
I can't keep up...I had to go out of town for a couple of days! They are still the bottom feeders he is talking to...that is why he sounds so retarded all the time.
July 11th, 2007 at 12:39 amSooooooo, what do you suppose it took to get a ticket to this "town hall"? I'm thinking they didn't let a lot of dirty f^ckin hippies in.
July 11th, 2007 at 12:41 am3500+ GIs dead
27000+ wounded or maimed
70,000 Iraqi civvies killed
...so george Bush could exorcise his Oedipal demons on a global stage. What a monstrous narcissist he is.
In 100 years, it'll make a terrific opera. In the here and now, it's a tragedy of epic proportions.
July 11th, 2007 at 12:41 amThey are still the bottom feeders he is talking to…that is why he sounds so retarded all the time.
Comment by kasinca — July 11, 2007 @ 12:39 am
And I thought he was just naturally like that.
July 11th, 2007 at 12:41 amPost #41 Faiz, bring it back please..... Zarqawi was in Iraq in 2002 the Jordanians wanted to extradite him, the Iraqis had not links to him and couldn't find him half the time, the Americans knew where he was in 2002, but refused to attack him because it would hvae undermined their case for attacking Saddam.
Zarqawi: Al Qaeda wanna be and American Patsy.
July 11th, 2007 at 12:42 amIn 100 years, it’ll make a terrific opera.
Comment by Arthur C. — July 11, 2007 @ 12:41 am
Do you think it'll be in Arabic? :D
July 11th, 2007 at 12:43 amSooooooo, what do you suppose it took to get a ticket to this “town hall� I’m thinking they didn’t let a lot of dirty f^ckin hippies in.
Comment by gummitch
Somehow I think if I showed up at the "town hall" meeting, I'd be detained in the parking lot due to the bumperstickers on my car.
So yeah, no dirty hippies....
July 11th, 2007 at 12:44 amSo yeah, no dirty hippies….
George Bush, the boy-in-a-bubble, is too frightened to go out in unprotected environments amidst unscreened audiences. If he did, he'd find out right quick that 70% of his countryment think he's a lying, incompetent bag of snot.
July 11th, 2007 at 12:45 amGeorge Bush, the boy-in-a-bubble, is too frightened to go out in unprotected environments amidst unscreened audiences.
Comment by Arthur C. — July 11, 2007 @ 12:45 am
I'm not sure I blame him.
July 11th, 2007 at 12:47 amThis is Bush's biggest lie since lying us into war in the first place.
July 11th, 2007 at 12:47 amIf we stay, some Iraqis might stand a chance, that is, unless they start to act up.
Comment by PiP — July 11, 2007 @ 12:37 am
And what happens to them if they "start to act up?"
July 11th, 2007 at 12:48 amThis is Bush’s biggest lie since lying us into war in the first place.
Comment by SocraticGadfly — July 11, 2007 @ 12:47 am
How do you keep track of all of them to compare?
July 11th, 2007 at 12:49 am#66
They might not stand a chance.
July 11th, 2007 at 12:49 amPip,
Still waiting for an answer to my question here:
Comment by Zooey — July 11, 2007 @ 12:19 am
July 11th, 2007 at 12:50 amThey might not stand a chance.
Comment by PiP
Meaning exactly what? Just spill it, the whole thing at once. I'm gone in 10 minutes.
July 11th, 2007 at 12:51 amWas it Wolf Blitzer who revealed today that Bush is afraid to visit D.C. dining establishments for fear he'll be confronted with his failures?
George Bush's nightmare is just beginning. Before he leaves office, he'll be more paranoid than Nixon, and that's saying a lot. It's because of the drugs.
July 11th, 2007 at 12:51 amComment by Zooey — July 11, 2007 @ 12:19 am
See the other thread.
July 11th, 2007 at 12:53 amGoodnight in advance, Zooey. Thanks for the fun!
July 11th, 2007 at 12:53 amLamest troll response ever: "see other thread."
July 11th, 2007 at 12:54 am#70
If violent religious or other extremist ideologies lead some Iraqis to attempt or carry-out terror attacks, their actions will not go unpunished.
July 11th, 2007 at 12:56 amSee the other thread.
Comment by PiP
That answer was not sufficient. How would you personally kill someone? What would you say to yourself to be able to live with yourself, philosophy student?
July 11th, 2007 at 12:56 amLamest troll response ever: “see other thread.â€
Comment by Arthur C.
Lamest troll response ever # 2 "clinton did it too"
July 11th, 2007 at 12:57 amIf violent religious or other extremist ideologies lead some Iraqis to attempt or carry-out terror attacks, their actions will not go unpunished.
Comment by PiP
Details. What is the punishment?
July 11th, 2007 at 12:58 amWhat would you say to yourself to be able to live with yourself, philosophy student?
Comment by Zooey
ah yes, philosophy student, that's right...
July 11th, 2007 at 12:58 amLamest troll response ever: “see other thread.â€
Comment by Arthur C.
Lamest troll response ever # 2 “clinton did it tooâ€
Comment by willyloman
No kidding. I thought Pip threatened to get smarter?
July 11th, 2007 at 12:59 amFrom the military school of life. - What does not kill me makes me stronger.
- F.N.
July 11th, 2007 at 1:00 amPiP is a pathetic poser. Boring, too.
July 11th, 2007 at 1:00 amNo kidding. I thought Pip threatened to get smarter?
Comment by Zooey
ahhhh, but smarter than ...? What? smarter than a rock? a half a bag of Cheze pufes?
July 11th, 2007 at 1:01 amNo kidding. I thought Pip threatened to get smarter?
Comment by Zooey — July 11, 2007 @ 12:59 am
I believed him! I knew he couldn't get any dumber.
July 11th, 2007 at 1:02 amKatie; I spoke with the district aide for my congressman today. She never heard of the PNAC, she believed that what we were doing in iraq now (the surge)is the right thing. She seemed to accept the idea of a war for oil as making sense strategically; the sense of exercising our might on the world stage to protect oil interests in the region. She thought the PNAC was some kind of conspiracy theory. I hope she goes and looks it up (as I encouraged her to do) My whole point, to her and my Congressman, was that the war was planned before Bush even became President, and the plan is laid out by the PNAC and the neocon movement. Terrorism is a smoke screen, and yes a lot of people are still buying into it. You should have heard Lindsey Graham at the press conference...it was infuriating hearing him go on and on about the terrorists and Al-Qaeda.
July 11th, 2007 at 1:03 am#76
The quickest and easiest way possible.
July 11th, 2007 at 1:04 amGeorge Bush’s nightmare is just beginning. Before he leaves office, he’ll be more paranoid than Nixon, and that’s saying a lot. It’s because of the drugs.
Comment by Arthur C
You know, you would think that, but look at Idi Amin. He lived in exile for over 20 years in Saudi Arabia like a king.
July 11th, 2007 at 1:04 am#78
Prison or death.
July 11th, 2007 at 1:05 amShe seemed to accept the idea of a war for oil as making sense
Nice to know the district aide for your congressman has such refined moral sensibilities. The subhuman soulless shit.
July 11th, 2007 at 1:06 amComment by funky p
Did you see The Power of Nightmares?
July 11th, 2007 at 1:06 amHe lived in exile for over 20 years in Saudi Arabia like a king.
Comment by willyloman — July 11, 2007 @ 1:04 am
Man, I'll be pissed if the Chimp does the same thing.
July 11th, 2007 at 1:06 amMan, I’ll be pissed if the Chimp does the same thing.
Comment by Egreggious
" Luis D Elia, undersecretary for the Social Habitat in the Argentine Federal Planning Ministry, issued a memo partially reproduced by digital INFOBAE.com, in which he spoke of the purchase by Bush of a 98,842-acre farm in northern Paraguay, between Brazil and Bolivia."
http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=5324
July 11th, 2007 at 1:10 am#76
The quickest and easiest way possible.
Comment by PiP — July 11, 2007 @ 1:04 am
Easy for you, or easy for the prisoner? Incomplete answer.
#78
Prison or death.
Comment by PiP — July 11, 2007 @ 1:05 am
Again, incomplete answer.
You can do better than this, Pip. You are unable or unwilling to do so, for some reason.
Maybe you should discontinue advocating for the death of others, until you have examined your own fears and motivations.
July 11th, 2007 at 1:15 amWhat would you say to yourself to be able to live with yourself, philosophy student?
Comment by Zooey
I think it's more "filosofee stoodnt"
July 11th, 2007 at 1:16 amGoodnight, Egreggious, willyloman, Arthur & all!
See ya when I see ya!
July 11th, 2007 at 1:16 amTwo words, B.....S.......nuff said.
All you supports still suck today as much as any other day
July 11th, 2007 at 1:16 amI think it’s more “filosofee stoodntâ€
Comment by gummitch
Somehow Pip missed out on the hard questions, or didn't realize they applied to him as well.
Sheesh....
July 11th, 2007 at 1:17 amMaybe you should discontinue advocating for the death of others, until you have examined your own fears and motivations.
Comment by Zooey
Sorry, but Ms P is currently unavailable. Some of these energy drinks can be a real booger to open.
July 11th, 2007 at 1:17 amZooey rules.
July 11th, 2007 at 1:18 amSorry, but Ms P is currently unavailable. Some of these energy drinks can be a real booger to open.
Comment by gummitch
Don't call him "Ms," we don't want him!
Goodnight, Jeff.
July 11th, 2007 at 1:18 amZooey, some people just don't spend much time with self-examination or enrichment for that matter. They may in fact be incapable of it. Bush is one and i guess the 26%ers may be as well.
Either that or their just dumb as rocks.
July 11th, 2007 at 1:18 amFYI
I was at Cleveland Clinic when Bush gave this speech. Check out the audience they are bored to death and some are mad as hell. Out of over 30,000 employees, it was almost impossible to get anyone to go to Bush speech.
July 11th, 2007 at 1:19 amOh gawd, Mr. Pee is such a immature little puke, I don't even bother reading his idiotic posts, pure crap.
July 11th, 2007 at 1:19 amEither that or their just dumb as rocks.
Comment by willyloman
I would think self-examination would be part of the philosophy program. The "unexamined life" and all. That's a big blank spot, isn't it?
Geez, I better git. Goodnight!
July 11th, 2007 at 1:20 amnight
July 11th, 2007 at 1:21 amNight time for me too. The heat really melted my brain today. I came this close | | to becoming a Republican.
July 11th, 2007 at 1:24 amOkay. Let’s kill them too.
Comment by PiP (aka Mr. President)
You certainly are willing to send people to their deaths. Are you willing to personally kill them?
Comment by Zooey — July 11, 2007 @ 12:19 am
F*ck eyerack, I ain’t fightin’ no sand monkeys. That’s what the army is for moron. Their job is to fight FOR ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
July 11th, 2007 at 1:30 amComment by Mr. President — June 6, 2007
Yes go to bed my sleepy litl' TPers. President Bush is watching over you and you will be fine tommorow.
Get some rest tonight for the big sale tommorow at the malls.
July 11th, 2007 at 1:30 amYes go to bed my sleepy litl’ TPers. President Bush is watching over you and you will be fine tommorow.
Get some rest tonight for the big sale tommorow at the malls.
Comment by Flaco — July 11, 2007 @ 1:30 am
Too ... much ... heat. Almost agreed with that post.
July 11th, 2007 at 1:32 am#93
Don't ask questions if you can't handle the answers.
July 11th, 2007 at 1:33 am————————————————————————————-
Mahmoud Ahmadinejad speech at UN 2005:
“O mighty Lord, I pray to you to hasten the emergence of your last repository, the promised one, that perfect and pure human being, the one that will fill this world with justice and peace.
US is gonna give you that last suppository any day *asshat!!!
July 11th, 2007 at 1:34 amWhat's up Flaco, it's me, Mr. President
July 11th, 2007 at 1:35 amThe sad thing is that you have believe stupid enough to believe this ridiculous claim.
July 11th, 2007 at 1:36 amZoee go to bed. Have a little drinkie poo first.
July 11th, 2007 at 1:36 amI know Bush is to blame for your drinking.
PIP,
Do you really think you are going to get a Phd in Philosophy from U of Texas when your answer to every question is "let's kill them all"?
That would have gotten you an F in my intro to philosophy class. I got an A in that, a B in my ethics class, and in my logic class I was the only one to make 100 on every exam. That was at one of the top universities in the country and decades ago so well before grade inflation. I was deans' list with 10 sociology, 8 history, and 5 political science. We were #4 in US in sociology and top ten in history and political science.
July 11th, 2007 at 1:38 amMr. President,
Just up from my mom's basement to the kitchen to get some milk & cookies before she wakes up. hehehe see ya tommorow.
Thanks for wackin' these moral midgets around here. Pretty easy since they have their heads up their you know what.
July 11th, 2007 at 1:41 amFlaccid,
I am getting very sick of you calling Zooey a drunk. Every single day she sounds quite intelligent while you sound either retarded or psychotic.
July 11th, 2007 at 1:42 amGod Bless you Flaco!
Good night.
July 11th, 2007 at 1:43 am#116
I know I will.
July 11th, 2007 at 1:43 amFlaccid and Pip,
why you two just go get a room somewhere and give us a break.
And when you say "God Bless you Flaccid" does this God agree with your "just kill them all" philosophy?
July 11th, 2007 at 1:46 amFlaccid,
I am getting very sick of you calling Zooey a drunk. Every single day she sounds quite intelligent while you sound either retarded or psychotic.
Comment by Keith G
July 11th, 2007 at 1:46 am---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Thanks for the compliment Mr Professor.
And when you say “God Bless you Flaccid†does this God agree with your “just kill them all†philosophy?
Comment by Keith G
July 11th, 2007 at 1:48 am----------------------------------------------------
Aren't you the Phd philosophy whatever?
I'm sure you have the PC answer in that noggin somewhere.
Flaccid,
You never can read and comprehend anything. I had three philosophy classes. That does not get you a Phd.
How is your lover going to get a phd in philosphy if his answer to everything is kill them all?
July 11th, 2007 at 1:50 amMF is making it a self-fulfilling prophecy. Karma will be a biotch.
July 11th, 2007 at 1:51 amReferring to President Bush, this person said:
"I’m just afraid he’s planning the next terrorist attack on US soil. Yes, you read that right.
Comment by G Whiz — July 10, 2007 @ 11:44 pm"
If anyone needed further evidence that liberalism is a mental disorder, this is it.
"I am still baffled as to why it is that this supposedly “democratic†congress cannot put this little criminal in his place. and i’m mystified as to why they’ve let him get away with these treasonous lies for so long. don’t democrats read blogs or are they afraid of the internets too.
Comment by Some Guy — July 11, 2007 @ 12:27 am"
This Democratic Congress does nothing because they have no mandate, they are invested in defeat in Iraq and in the war on terror, yet they are paralyzed by the fear that they will be blamed for any dire consequences should they occur. The American public may not have the stomach for the war in Iraq, but they have even less stomach for defeat in Iraq.
And every day that passes, the American public realizes more and more that the political posturing by the Democrats to win office had no real depth. An Anti-Bush political plan merely to get elected is the same as no plan at all when it comes time for action.
The reason they cannot put "this little criminal (Bush) in his place", is because for all their blustery oratory about impeachment, lies, crimes, etc., they know there's no real truth to it. It was all smoke and mirrors to get elected. They can't back down from their claims and look like total windbags, but they know they can't take action because there was never any substance to the charges. The American public is figuring that out, and congress' approval rating has plummeted below the Presidents.
However, some who took the bait thinking they were in for a "new day" of liberal idealism, are really, really heartbroken now that their do nothing, status quo congress has shown it's stripes.
Do Democrats read blogs? Probably, but they dare not acknowledge it or act upon it if they want to be taken seriously. Do you read some of the nutty stuff here?
July 11th, 2007 at 2:04 amSo when will Congress do something about our imperial president? Nancy?? Nancy? NAAANCY???
July 11th, 2007 at 2:13 am126: a 26%er. Congratulations last rat....
July 11th, 2007 at 2:17 amO. [Delusional] Bigfoot:
The real reason Congress' approval rating is low is because the Democratic electorate disapproves of Congress' unwillingness to stand up to Bush. Your purported reason above is purely wishful thinking.
July 11th, 2007 at 2:23 amOK,we know this story.
July 11th, 2007 at 2:37 amIsn't it time we all started looking at the people responsible.
If real, start finding what the issues are,if made up boogy men hold the head theives accountable.
This operation is called theft.Stealing.
A gun to our heads we are being robbed.
Let's not spend any more time agreeing the whole decaying pile of brain dead losers stuck in office are criminals.They prove that by their existance.
We need to prevent anything like the last 7 years from ever having the chance to even be considered.
This is a nightmare.
This is slightly off topic: I told my husband this morning about the incredible language used by certain trolls in the "Vitter-Threads". His answer was:
"Would you stay in a place where someone repeatedly called you and your friends whores and worse (much worse)?"
I said:
"If the management banned the culprit, yes. If not... not."
TP?
July 11th, 2007 at 2:42 amWe were #4 in US in sociology and top ten in history and political science.
Comment by Keith G
Mr. President goes to a community college, he doesn't know what all that fancy lingo means.
July 11th, 2007 at 2:54 amJust up from my mom’s basement to the kitchen to get some milk & cookies before she wakes up. hehehe see ya tommorow.
Thanks for wackin’ these moral midgets around here. Pretty easy since they have their heads up their you know what.
Comment by Flaco
Don't forget to kiss him goodnight. You guys are just precious.
July 11th, 2007 at 2:56 amWhat I want to know is when is someone just going to loose it at one of these townhalls and just start yelling "You're a liar" over and over again. I mean they really pack some serious Bushie loyalists in there not for someone to just go Network (i'm mad as hell and I ain't going to take it anymore) on his ass, now that would be a sight to see but the outcome would be unfortunately predictable.
The first few seconds he would be in shock how dare they do that...you'd see the old deer in the headlights blinking away, then the frat boy would re-engage he would laugh, and blow the incident off we a line like "oh I guess he woke up on the wrong side of bed today. he he he. (crowd laugh) Anyway I respect his opinion, that's the great thing about America we have different viewpoints. Not everyone will agree with me but our cause of freedom as granted to us by the almighty can't be denied (loyalists clap)" Of course meanwhile the goons are taking out the yeller for who knows what kind of "conversation".
July 11th, 2007 at 2:57 amDo Democrats read blogs? Probably, but they dare not acknowledge it or act upon it if they want to be taken seriously. Do you read some of the nutty stuff here?
Comment by O. Bigfoot
Yeah, I just read your self righteous blabbering..
July 11th, 2007 at 2:58 amFrom reading #'s 116 and 120, I am fearful that PiP is attending the University of Texas in Austin. Is he/she?
Lord, I HOPE not! There goes a GOOD University in a good, mostly progressive city, polluted by a Troll with the emotional maturity of a three year-old!
UNDER THE BRIDGE mean-spirited Pi*m*Ple on the current corrupt, crooked president's rear end!
July 11th, 2007 at 3:05 amUT has 50,000 students so if there's one troll there well....I'm sure UT will survive....
July 11th, 2007 at 3:26 amIraq had no WMDs, there was no link between Saddam and bin Laden or 9-11. The president himself said so in one of his press conferences. To say there was a connection is to mislead and lie to the American people. The violence in Iraq can't be attributed to al Qaeda which is in Afghanistan. It can be attributed to Shiias and Sunnis locked in a civil war with our troops caught in the middle of it. Landay is right to call out the president on his lies and misleading statements.
July 11th, 2007 at 3:38 am
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“O mighty Lord, I pray to you to hasten the emergence of your last repository, the promised one, that perfect and pure human being, the one that will fill this world with justice and peace.
US is gonna give you that last suppository any day *asshat!!!
Comment by Flaco — July 11, 2007 @ 1:34 am
hey flacco didn't you hear? - al qaeda plans to give iran a spanking....so i guess that means that your mighty bush will be standing beside and fighting the terrrrrists with ahmadin....amnejin....mindyja....the iranian guy
July 11th, 2007 at 3:58 amBush's next speech will be about gay Iraqi islamofacist blastocysts that want universal healthcare who hurt us on 9/11. That should tweak the nipples of all the reichtwingers.
July 11th, 2007 at 4:01 amNo big. As soon as they can pull off their next major "false flag" terror event, all will get back on track for them.
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Comment by PiP — July 11, 2007 @ 3:50 am
Making threats now, Mr. President and a half a dozen other aliases? You might learn the difference between "role" and "roll" first, little fascist.
July 11th, 2007 at 5:01 am1) Prior To The War, Al Qaeda Was Not Operating In Iraq.
And now they are. Most of the Taliban now fighting in Afghanistan also weren't there prior to the invasion.
WTF is your point ? Does it involve a time machine or is this completely irrelevant ?
there’s no evidence that the Iraq organization is under the control of the terrorist leader or his top aides,
Which counts for ....... what ?
OBL didn't personally order the last truck bomb that they detonated in a civilian area killing 150+ people.
Your fkn point is what ? They get a free pass as not-quite-terrorists for that ?
Really, WTF is your point ?
who are believed to be hiding in tribal regions of Pakistan bordering Afghanistan.â€
Which as you point out, isn't in Afghanistan. Calling that war off then are we ?
Either you've got a point here or you haven't. WTF is it ?
2) Even Now, Al Qaeda Is Not The Main Source Of Instability.
Nor is it in Afghanistan.
Since whatever it is you are trying to suggest in support of withdrawal applies equally to Iraq and Afghanistan, why not call for withdrawal from both ?
You need to declare that as far as using the resources you have to kill the same Jihadists who decided to attack you on 9/11 and Spain, London, Indonesia, Yemen, France, Italy, etc, etc etc, that you're done. You've had enough.
And say that you've decided this based on where trans-national terrorists were in March 2003.
Because if pissweak nonsensical reasoning like this is all you've got, then you've got nothing.
Otherwise try figuring something out for once.
There's a reason that during the invasion of Afghanistan, when the CIA was observing convoys of Taliban fighters streaming into Afghanistan from Pakistan all the way to the horizon that they let them come instead of bombing those convoys.
July 11th, 2007 at 5:12 amOn Tuesday, Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff told the editorial board of The Chicago Tribune that he had a "gut feeling" about a new period of increased risk.
"Gut feeling" indeed. Yet another incompetent Bush appointee.
Funny how this story pops up, right when the administration finds itself in a major meltdown.
July 11th, 2007 at 5:34 amYawn. Scratch.
July 11th, 2007 at 5:38 amAll you've said here is that you're too scared to actually listen to what conservatives have to say.
Why else would you think that conservatives would want to "spin" what Bush has said here. He's stated they're in Iraq to kill al Qaeda. Conservatives support this. What alternative would they want to spin this into ?
Personally if I were a conservative, hated liberals and would enjoy seeing them suffer for the next few decades I'd be happy with how things were progressing. There are quite a few strategies Democrats could have pursued which didn't boil down to the US losing Iraq and nothing more. And that being pinned on Democrats for the rest of your life.
Except I'm not a conservative.
I'm someone who neither supports Bush nor supported the invasion. I'm one of the remaining 6 billion non-American people on the planet who's gonna hold you responsible for what you fucked up there and what results from your withdrawal before either putting down the insurgency or implementing an alternative security plan which can achieve this.
Which is what you're seeking along with the inherent, obvious results. Which just like Rumsfeld and Cheney did in 2003, you've ignored or avoided recongnising to suit your political agenda. Which once again isn't going to avoid shit for you.
So when TP decides that posting updates on Iraq mass casualties is no longer advantageous, because the official body count ends with the withdrawn troops, I'll still be here with the genocide updates.
July 11th, 2007 at 5:42 amAnd you can spin them. Like the partisan American political issue they are for you.
Can't sleep.
July 11th, 2007 at 5:46 amHeh.So the Nancy boys are defunding VP's office? Good luck with that. You remember what happened when Newt tried to shut down the government.
July 11th, 2007 at 5:51 amI can’t wait to see which of the IQ-challenged trolls come on and try to support this steaming pile of bush-shit!
Uh. So are you trying to say that Al Qaeda is not in Iraq? Read the Bush quote again:
"The same people that attacked us on September the 11th is a crowd that is now bombing people, killing innocent men, women and children, many of whom are Muslims"
He's saying that AQ is now bombing people in Iraq. What's your problem with that?
July 11th, 2007 at 5:56 am“The same people that attacked us on September the 11th is a crowd that is now bombing people, killing innocent men, women and children, many of whom are Muslims,†Bush said.
Wow. There's a bunch of Saudi Arabians in Iraq blowing things up? Maybe we should invade Saudi Arabia then. They seem to be causing a lot of trouble for us and our new Iraqi friends that love us so much.
July 11th, 2007 at 6:04 amYou're just being obtuse. Al Qaeda is an international organization and therefore nationality doesn't matter.
July 11th, 2007 at 6:06 amAll you've said here is that you're so isolated here that you have no idea what actual conservatives have to say in mediums outside of this liberal blog bubble.
Why else would you think that conservatives would want to "spin" what Bush has said here. He's stated they're in Iraq to kill al Qaeda. Conservatives support this.
Why would they want to spin this ?
Personally if I were a conservative, hated liberals and would enjoy seeing them suffer for the next few decades I'd be happy with how things were progressing. There are quite a few strategies Democrats could have pursued which didn't boil down to the US losing Iraq to Islamic militants. And that being pinned on Democrats for the rest of your life.
Except I'm not a conservative.
I'm someone who neither supports Bush nor supported the invasion. I'm one of the remaining 6 billion non-American people on the planet who's gonna hold you responsible for what you fucked up there and what results from your withdrawal before either putting down the insurgency or implementing an alternative security plan which can achieve this.
Which is what you're seeking along with the inherent, obvious results. Which just like Rumsfeld and Cheney did in 2003, you've ignored or avoided recongnising to suit your political agenda. Which once again isn't going to avoid shit for you.
So when TP decides that posting updates on Iraq mass casualties is no longer advantageous, because the official body count ends with the withdrawn troops, I'll still be here with the genocide updates.
July 11th, 2007 at 7:06 amAnd you can spin them. Like the partisan American political issue they are for you.
Well yeah there is. That was news about 4 years ago.
But yes, the hijackers were Saudis.
Led by a German-radicalised Egyptian, trained in Afghanistan. Carrying out the plan devised by a Pakistani in South East Asia.
In what year do you think the concepts of "international terrorist organisation" and "trans-national terrorism" will sink in for you ?
July 11th, 2007 at 7:14 amYesterday's Bush diatribe was brought to you by the letter "D",
July 11th, 2007 at 7:18 amas in DELUSIONAL.
Yeah and the Piece of Shit in Chief also asked us to volunteer for for non profits because, well, you know, 911 was "evil".
July 11th, 2007 at 7:25 ami am still baffled as to why it is that this supposedly “democratic†congress cannot put this little criminal in his place. and i’m mystified as to why they’ve let him get away with these treasonous lies for so long.
Comment by Some Guy — July 11, 2007 @ 12:27 am
Guy
Because they are just as corrupt and just as criminally responsible for the mess. It's like two drug gangs they have the same goal they just fight over the turf (aka our vote) but with ideological guns. Promises that neither side ever really delivers.
Government is the enemy.
July 11th, 2007 at 7:27 amOoh deleting disagreement with your thesis, Faiz? Shame on you. I worked hard on that….
Comment by TerrytheTurtle — July 11, 2007 @ 12:31 am
Sad, sad, sad. TP the alleged "progressive" voice censoring free speech. How pathetic.
July 11th, 2007 at 7:30 amW = WEAK.
July 11th, 2007 at 7:35 amBush actually thinks people in this country are still in 9/11 mode and can still be manipulated. The truth is everybody else has moved on and are waiting for him to vacate the White House. Bush and his cronies can't accept there operation started falling apart with the indictment and resignation of Tom Delay, Abramoff, numerous White house officials, Mark Foley and culiminating in the republicans losing the Congress in November. Not to mention all the investigations the democrats have started since then. It's over. Bush is only one who doesn't know it.
July 11th, 2007 at 8:05 amComment by Katie — July 11, 2007 @ 12:32 am
Katie,
No it wont, but you go on and keep deluding yourself. Paint your pretty pictures like the neocons did with "they will welcome us as liberators" crap. The Iraqis are in a civil war dip. When we leave, and I think we should, it will be a blood bath. Al Qeada is just one element of the mess. The Sudis have just about promised they will move in because they know Iran is already there. Syria will move in to assist Iran. Pakistan will most likely assist the Saudis, and Turkey will move to the kurdish north to prevent any independent Kurdistan from emerging.
We just have to hope like hell it does not get bigger than that. India may see it as an opp to settle land disputes with Pakistan. China needs oil desperately who knows how they will act. If they do how will Russia and the West respond?
Know this, leaving will not end the problems in Iraq by a long shot. One thing is guaranteed most likely Iraq will no longer exist. Which is how it should it should have been, divided.
July 11th, 2007 at 8:05 amHave you ever seen anyone who has become so irrelavant?
July 11th, 2007 at 8:06 amI love the looks of the sheeple's faces. Honest to God, what pathetic person would put themselves that close to EVIL?
July 11th, 2007 at 8:15 amTo give Bush the benefit of the doubt we should all recognize that he may just be too stupid to understand that Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11 and that Bush was more at fault for 9/11 than Saddam.
July 11th, 2007 at 8:15 amObviously, one must never take anything on face value from this admin. What the NeoCONS want is constant struggle in the Middle East. For God's sake : the US forces blew up the holy mosques. A NeoCON's wet dream : to continue to incite more violence. This was the plan from day 1. Their goal : greed, hegemony and power in the region.
July 11th, 2007 at 8:23 am#149 “The same people that attacked us on September the 11th is a crowd that is now bombing people, killing innocent men, women and children, many of whom are Muslimsâ€
He’s saying that AQ is now bombing people in Iraq. What’s your problem with that?
Comment by Future troll
My problem with that statement is those people WEREN'T there before we invaded Iraq. Your heroe created many of those terrorists and he never had teh balls to go after OBL and would never go after the real support structure, which is Saudi Arabia, as Dad has too much money tied up in the dealings with the Carlyle Group and the Bin Ladens and other prominent families in SA.
Get a Clue and stop bending over for the BushCo NeoCon enemas long enough to face reality!
July 11th, 2007 at 8:39 am#160 Have you ever seen anyone who has become so irrelevant?
Comment by Steve
Only the resident trolls here and the rest of the 26%ers.
July 11th, 2007 at 8:41 amWAKE UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
AND MEET WITH MORE DISAPPOINTMENT TODAY,
MY LEFTY FRIENDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
July 11th, 2007 at 8:43 amLies, Lies
July 11th, 2007 at 8:44 amToo many have Died
FUTURE TROLL (FT) and TROLL
NICE WORK!
I WILL BE BACK LATER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
LET THESE SURRENDER MONKEYS KNOW WHAT'S UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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July 11th, 2007 at 8:45 amThe monopoly newspaper in cleveland mentioned none of this!
Here's the front page:
http://www.cleveland.com/open/plaindealer/index.ssf?/base/cuyahoga/1184142829146230.xml&coll=2
Those poor people! Repackaging lies for the public. What a shame.
July 11th, 2007 at 8:49 amWas it Wolf Blitzer who revealed today that Bush is afraid to visit D.C. dining establishments for fear he’ll be confronted with his failures?
Bush ought to avoid the United States for a while. And Europe, Asia, and the Middle East. I hear Paraguay's nice.
July 11th, 2007 at 8:54 amThe Cleveland Plain Dealer?
They are aware that Bush stole the election there, no?
Sounds like a real piece of shit paper. Definately pro-Bush.
Must be family owned.
July 11th, 2007 at 8:58 am1. Their goal : greed, hegemony and power in the region.
Comment by Kay
Yes, the exact description the neocons use on their PNAC web site is a "Pan Americana Empire".
Like the Pinky and Brain cartoon, their only real goal was to take over the world, everything they have done was planned for, including suspension of rights and habeus corpus, as well as "A new Pearl Harbor".
Their web site http://www.newamericancentury.org/ went up in 1997 and has been pushing their fascist agenda since then, too bad the media refused to report on them and too many Americans can't read anything more than a news blip floating along the bottom of their majic sparkle box.
I saw all this comming when Bush announced Cheney as his running mate, confirmed in my mind when Bush appointed most of the rest of the PNAC members to his cabinet.
Too bad so many other Americans were blind sheep.
This Administration has been a pre-meditated criminal conspiracy from day one. Wake up America.
July 11th, 2007 at 9:02 amComment by Kay — July 11, 2007 @ 8:23 am
Maybe,
July 11th, 2007 at 9:03 amBut be aware we may be playing right into the neocons hands when we leave.
"The Iraqi people will submit to whomever has the biggest guns at any given time. Once all the sectarian sh*t “works itself out†al-Qaida could easily run the place like the Taliban in Afganistan."
Oh, I see, approximately 2-5% of the people fighting in Iraq (please note, that is the people fighting, not the people residing) are going to take over the other fighters in Iraq and the people of Iraq. That would be a pretty neat trick if they could pull it off.
The Iraqi's dislike al Qaida as much as they dislike us and if we leave, they will kick al Qaida out in a hot minute.
July 11th, 2007 at 9:06 am#173 The Iraqi’s dislike al Qaida as much as they dislike us and if we leave, they will kick al Qaida out in a hot minute.
Comment by Katie
I agree, but one thing to remember...Al Queda is the real support group of the NeoCon BushCo corporation. As long as they exist, it gives Dubya and Darth talking points and keeps the fear level up for the 26%ers.
I just came back from Eastern and Western Europe and everyone there can see it, just not the Kool-aid blinded sheeple here in this country.
But as that 26% number continues to drop, those remaining will become even less relevant.
July 11th, 2007 at 9:13 amTo #91:
Bush probably WILL do the same thing -- he's already got his land in Paraguay ready....
July 11th, 2007 at 9:16 am“The same people that attacked us on September the 11th is a crowd that is now bombing people, killing innocent men, women and children, many of whom are Muslims,†Bush said.
only after we invited them to Iraq...
July 11th, 2007 at 9:19 amComment by Wayne — July 11, 2007 @ 9:02 am
Wayne
How do they effectively sell the fascist Pan-Americana plan? That plan has a socialist aspect to it. It Also must have a "green" element becasue contrary to the linear thought here a) there is money in "green". b) Corporations can't make much money off of dead people.
July 11th, 2007 at 9:19 amPNAC is not alone. Global fascism (Again fascism is a mix of corporatism and socialism.) is the goal. Money is the motive of the right and authoritarian socialism is the motive of the left. The elite of the left and the right are in on it.
174. Agreed. We've finally come to this point: Bush is as dangerous to America as Bin Laden.
July 11th, 2007 at 9:22 amMy God. I just used the Google on the Internets: Try "Bush Countdown."
July 11th, 2007 at 9:27 amGet out the duct tape and plastic, Al-Qaeda is coming!
July 11th, 2007 at 9:30 amRemember 9/11.
We're fighting them over there so we don't have to fight them over here.
They are in the last throes, if you will, of the insurgency.
We are turning the corner in Iraq.
Osama wants to eat your children.
Terror alert level orange...Presidential poll numbers down.
And the latest, from Linseed Graham yesterday: We got Al-Qaeda on the run.
Prior To The War, Al Qaeda Was Not Operating In Iraq
Not in name, but Zarqawi, who went on to found the 'al-Qaeda Group of Jihad in the Land of the Two Rivers' certainly was, unhindered by the Saddam regime. The man who made the 1993 WTC bomb also found shelter in Saddam's Iraq.
Educate yourselves people: http://www.husseinandterror.com/
July 11th, 2007 at 9:32 am“The same people that attacked us on September the 11th is a crowd that is now bombing people, killing innocent men, women and children, many of whom are Muslims,†Bush said.
only after we invited them to Iraq…
Comment by Pete Bogs
You mean the ones that pushed for us to invade Iraq, Bush and his PNAC buddies.
Don't forget that the Republicans were also the ones that trained "The Base" also known as Al Qaeda originally to fight the Russians in Afganistan. Geez, I still have old Soldier of Fortune mags with articles on this and in the articles the Afgan resistance called themselves " The Base".
July 11th, 2007 at 9:34 amThe late great Phil Ochs has a song called "Cops of the World".
July 11th, 2007 at 9:37 amWant to know about U.S. foreign policy, just give it a listen. It's a three minute U.S. history lesson. You Johnny-come-lately 20 somethings who think you have all the answers could use a little historical perspective. There is a reason why children should not get involved in adult conversations.
With time comes maturity and wisdom. Give it time kids.
The Iraqi’s dislike al Qaida as much as they dislike us and if we leave, they will kick al Qaida out in a hot minute.
And who will do the kicking out, exactly? The Islamic Army in Iraq? - homegrown Islamo-Fascists who threatened death to anyone taking part in the Iraq elections. Or perhaps the al-Sadr Brigades? - a band of thugs that beats women in public for 'immodest' dress.
We leave and everything will be rosy? - get real.
July 11th, 2007 at 9:39 amDon’t forget that the Republicans were also the ones that trained “The Baseâ€
So, if I train a man to use a gun to defend his country and he later returns and shoots me, that's my fault is it?
July 11th, 2007 at 9:42 amThe Muslims would serve a purpose for their religion has many authoritarian and socialist teachings. But like the communist, the global socialist see organized religion as a problem because it is too hard to control and divides the allegiance of the proletariat from the states collective goals. Christianity is slowly fading on its own. So they are agressively dealing with the "muslim problem." The best way to deal with that is to have them kill each other off. So Bush has taken the step off starting a Pan-muslim war. Which will begin as soon as we leave. He hangs on to create the illusion that staying is what he wants but we all know, and so did he, that the leftist in the US would never let us stay and its just a matter of another year and we will be out. The money we have spent on it is considered start up capital.
July 11th, 2007 at 9:44 amAnd who will do the kicking out, exactly? The Islamic Army in Iraq? - homegrown Islamo-Fascists who threatened death to anyone taking part in the Iraq elections. Or perhaps the al-Sadr Brigades? - a band of thugs that beats women in public for ‘immodest’ dress.
We leave and everything will be rosy? - get real.
Comment by Edmund Standing — July 11, 2007 @ 9:39 am
Maybe all those 'insurgents' with bombs and guns and stuff could handle a few dozen, home-grown Al-Qaeda.
So, if I train a man to use a gun to defend his country and he later returns and shoots me, that’s my fault is it?
Comment by Edmund Standing — July 11, 2007 @ 9:42 am
Your sentence should read, to be accurate: If I train a man to use a gun to defend his country, and I invade his country, and he shoots me, that's my fault is it?
July 11th, 2007 at 9:48 amAnswer: Yes!
Think about things.
Why else would Bush the "conservatard" back the leftist ideas of granting immunity to 12-20 million illegals in the US, creating a new entitlement program and expand the dept of Ed? Its the compromise with the left wing of the strategy for globalism.
Additionally why did Clinton sign all those trade agreements? The lefts compromise with the right.
July 11th, 2007 at 9:56 amAdditionally why did Clinton sign all those trade agreements? The lefts compromise with the right.
Comment by Troll — July 11, 2007 @ 9:56 am
What's this got to do with Iraq, Qaeda, and 9/11?
July 11th, 2007 at 10:02 amleftist ideas of granting immunity
Immunity for illegals isn't a leftist idea, doughbrain: it's the program of Big Agribusiness. Big Business = Lefties? In what universe? You are an idiot.
July 11th, 2007 at 10:08 amUh. So are you trying to say that Al Qaeda is not in Iraq? Read the Bush quote again:
“The same people that attacked us on September the 11th is a crowd that is now bombing people, killing innocent men, women and children, many of whom are Muslimsâ€
He’s saying that AQ is now bombing people in Iraq. What’s your problem with that?
Comment by Future troll — July 11, 2007 @ 5:56 am
Because it's really not the same people. Al-Qa'ida is a very loose brand name. It's not a franchise or a corporation. The al-Qai'da-connected group in Iraq now (ISI) is at best marginally related to the al-Qa'ida cell that operated in the U.S. in 2001.
The Islamic State of Iraq did not exist prior to the U.S. invasion. It came into existence because of the U.S. invasion. It attracted hundreds of foreign fighters who were inspired by the U.S. invasion to defend Arab lands from occupiers. Without the occupation of Iraq, many of these men would not have become jihadis in the first place.
That's my problem with Bush's statement. He's using the blowback results of a moronic foreign policy blunder to justify a continuing the same moronic foreign policy blunder, and wrapping it up in the same 9/11 scaremongering that helped get us into the moronic foreign policy blunder in the first place.
July 11th, 2007 at 10:12 amSo the leftist did not want this?
July 11th, 2007 at 10:13 amI'm not surprised Bush has gone back to a discredited old memes.
Even discounting the brain damage.
It's a right-wing thing. Wingers believe what they believe until they die, no matter what happens, no matter what the facts. Consewrvatism may be defined as the incessant repetition of things that are not true.
If the facts don't back them up, wingers generally shoot the messenger (via character assassination and incontinent slander), and/or hire intellectual prostitutes to cook the facts. That's what a "right-wing think tank" is. That's what Fox News is.
In this way, the Right keeps its delusions going to the bitter end.
July 11th, 2007 at 10:18 amHe's getting so that he can't even put the lies into a sentence anymore.
July 11th, 2007 at 10:19 amI still can't believe anyone voted for this half-wit POS.
Please, somebody stand up at one of these little speeches and call b.s. on his lies to his face.
What was that he tried to say about the terrahists trying to stop a system based on liberty ?
Where is the single person that will just stand up and say . . . "But georgie . . . I thought wmds were why we invaded Iraq ?"
omment by toasterhead — July 11, 2007 @ 10:12 am
Well said!
So the leftist did not want this?
Comment by Troll — July 11, 2007 @ 10:13 am
July 11th, 2007 at 10:19 amWant what? Reference please.
So the leftist did not want this?
Nativists wanted this, left right & center.
Are you saying Big Ag did not want this? Or are you saying Big Ag is leftist?
Either way, you are wrong.
July 11th, 2007 at 10:20 amThe left did not want to grant immunity to the illegals here?
July 11th, 2007 at 10:23 amPlease, somebody stand up at one of these little speeches and call b.s. on his lies to his face.
Comment by Keith H. — July 11, 2007 @ 10:19 am
That'd be tough - the screeners on the White House advance team have gotten really good at sniffing out dissenters.
July 11th, 2007 at 10:23 amComments by troll and Arthur C
July 11th, 2007 at 10:28 amSorry, didn't realize I had landed on an immigration thread. Later!
38% of moderate Republicans vs. 36% of moderate Dems opposed a legal path to citizship, said a Pew Research poll.
That's not quite the way you Manichean nimrods view the world, is it? Everything has to black and white, or it's just too darn complicated for your feeble mind.
It's been fun slapping you around, gin-breath, but as trolls go you are very boring. I'm gonna go find a war troll to beat up on.
July 11th, 2007 at 10:33 am#93
Don’t ask questions if you can’t handle the answers.
Comment by PiP — July 11, 2007 @ 1:33 am
I'm dropping the whole line of questioning, Mr President. Keith reminded me of your answer in #108.
That's what you are.
July 11th, 2007 at 10:33 amthe White House advance team have gotten really good at sniffing out dissenters
Boy-in-a-bubble George Bush is too cowardly to go out in unprotected environments amidst unscreened audiences. If he did, he’d find out right quick that 70% of his countryment think he’s a lying, incompetent bag of snot.
July 11th, 2007 at 10:35 amIn what way are they different though ?
In that when they blow up 150+ civilians its a different result than when aQ does it ?
That they want to and do seek out and kill westerners as part of the same ideology ?
That at every possible opportunity US troops shouldn't kill as many of the fkers as possible ?
No ? None of the above ?
Then there would appear to be no meaningful difference at all.
This is like saying "Don't blame us maam, the US air force didn't drop a bomb on your house, that was a US Navy plane."
July 11th, 2007 at 10:43 amThe poll you cited said nothing off "immunity" you libtard. But go ahead and run away. "Run away, run away."
July 11th, 2007 at 10:46 amIn what way are they different though ?
Let me spell this out for you, dope: OBL's AQ attacked us on 9-11; AQ in Iraq coalesced to fight the US invasion of Iraq and had nothing -- zero, zilch,. nada -- to do with 9-11; didn'e even exist in 9-11
Which is the claim still repeatedly being made by your fearless F_ck-up-in-Chief.
See if you can wrap your 6th-grade mind around the facts, doughbrain, that the issue at hand is not whether AQ-Iraq is an enemy of our troops; it's about how war hawks find it necassary to fabricate lies to justify their colossal disaster in Iraq.
July 11th, 2007 at 10:48 amWhen you say "libtard", it's like advertising that you have the mind of an 11-year-old.
Fact.
July 11th, 2007 at 10:49 amYeah that's actually complete BS Wayne.
In fact considering that claim has been debunked by every single faction from every group and nationality involved in Afghanistan (including al Qaeda themselves) I think that would make it the most debunked claim about al Qaeda to date.
Even beating out all those floated by no-nothing basement conspiracy theorists.
July 11th, 2007 at 10:50 amAnd that's really saying something.
What the hell is "immunity." Do you mean "amnesty," dumbass?
To rightwing gasbag hero Edwin Meese III, "path to citizenship" = amnesty. Your rightwing icon (and illegal anchor-baby) Michelle Malkin says the same thing. If you want to argue about whether "path to citizenship" = "amnesty", go screech in Meese's & Malkin's face, you dumb nutsack.
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/05/24/opinion/24meese.html?ex=1306123200&en=aa37c8e0f0977449&ei=5090&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss
July 11th, 2007 at 10:56 amIn what way are they different though ?
Comment by Kilo — July 11, 2007 @ 10:43 am
They're different because a majority of people in several polls of Arab countries agree with what they do, as opposed to the al-Qa'ida cells of 2001 who were and are strongly opposed by most Arabs and Muslims.
Oh, and they're also much more media-savvy, with lots of colorful glossy magazines and viral video distribution and press releases. They're winning the media war in the Middle East, and our troop surges only help their cause. The more we send in troops into a futile seven-front civil war, the more they can gloat that they're winning. The more of them we kill, the more we create.
Either way we lose. The situation in Iraq is not winnable for us. The sooner we realize this the better.
July 11th, 2007 at 10:59 amWrong-o, Kilo. The "most debunked claim about al Qaeda to date" is the one your Liar-in-Chief was spouting in yesterday's speech.
July 11th, 2007 at 11:00 amIn fact considering that claim has been debunked by every single faction from every group and nationality involved in Afghanistan (including al Qaeda themselves) I think that would make it the most debunked claim about al Qaeda to date.
Even beating out all those floated by no-nothing basement conspiracy theorists.
And that’s really saying something.
Comment by Kilo
Monte Palmer, senior fellow at the al-Ahram Center for Strategic Studies in Cairo, reconciles these opposing views: "It now appears that the American-sponsored jihad in Afghanistan was the first step in transforming the jihadist movements of Egypt, Iran, and Pakistan into an international network capable of challenging the United States. A coalescing of the jihadist movement would have occurred with or without Afghanistan, but the Afghan experience accelerated this process by years if not decades."[36]
Gosh, Kilo, you so right about... about... EVERYTHING!!! It must be SUCH a burden!
July 11th, 2007 at 11:02 amI was watching the audience of the 'Town Hall Meeting'. As Bush walks back and forth the 'crowd' was no more than 12 wide and 7 deep surrounded by a black curtain and even they didn't look real inspired by the pep rally.
July 11th, 2007 at 11:07 amWTF did you write that for ?
There's 1 arab country that counts when it comes to public support for terrorist groups operating in Iraq. How's it rating there ?
There's one country that counts when it comes to public opinion for US troops killing vs supporting terrorist groups in Iraq. How's them numbers ?
BTW I take it that's a "no" for they don't differ from al Qaeda in any meaningful way in terms of what they are in relation to the US.
July 11th, 2007 at 11:08 amthe audience... didn’t look real inspired by the pep rally.
They looked like they were thinking "BO-ring! When do we get the donuts you promised us?"
July 11th, 2007 at 11:10 amWTF did you write that for ?
Kilo's report card:
F in reading comprehension
F in critical thinking
F in civics
F in debate
You must be dumb as a bag of hammers, Jughead. No wonder you look up to your lying, incompetent Dipshit-in-Chief.
July 11th, 2007 at 11:14 amYeah, why don't you do that while failing to respond to anything I wrote. That'll look impressive.
July 11th, 2007 at 11:16 amWhat part of...
...do you not understand? How does that fail to address your question of "In what way are they [OBL's AQ & AQ in Iraq] different"?
If you don't get it, have yer little sister explain it to ya, snot-for-brains.
July 11th, 2007 at 11:20 amWhat you posted didn't actually refer to what we were discussing.
July 11th, 2007 at 11:21 amWhat you posted didn’t actually refer to what we were discussing
What this thread addresses, you witless sap, is your Fearless Leader's bogus claim in a speech yesterday that "The same people that attacked us on September the 11th is a crowd that is now bombing people, killing innocent men, women and children."
What the hell did you think we're discussing? Your interminable crush on Jack Bauer?
July 11th, 2007 at 11:24 amPresident Bush: "The same people that attacked us on September the 11th is a crowd that is now bombing people, killing innocent men, women and children, many of whom are Muslims.â€
"U.S. intelligence and military officials view al Qaida in Iraq as a serious threat"
In other words, what the president said is 100% accurate. Your own article contradicts itself, TP.
Of course there are other elements perpetuating the violence in Iraq. But, as TP itself acknowledges, Al Qaeda is a major contributor that violence.
July 11th, 2007 at 11:29 amWell it fails because it doesn't address anything I wrote about. Anything I queried.
July 11th, 2007 at 11:31 amYou know, everything after the first line of my post that you ignored while carrying on pretending you were rebutting something.
In fact considering that claim has been debunked by every single faction from every group and nationality involved in Afghanistan (including al Qaeda themselves) I think that would make it the most debunked claim about al Qaeda to date. --- Kilo
As usuall Kilo, you are totally full of Bullsh*t.
As I said, I still have the old SoF mags with ther articles of the mercs hired by the cia to train "the base" in Afganistan.
July 11th, 2007 at 11:34 amAl Qaeda means litterally "The Base".
WTF did you write that for ?
There’s 1 arab country that counts when it comes to public support for terrorist groups operating in Iraq. How’s it rating there ?
I'll assume you mean Iraq. It's not good for the ISI. According to a September 2006 poll, 94% of Iraqis oppose al-Qa'ida and 93% oppose Usama bin Laden. Although 61% approve of attacks on coalition forces, 100% of Iraqi civilians oppose attacks on Iraqi civilians.
According to a poll in March 2007, public support for coalition forces in Iraq ain't too hot either. 76% say the coalition has done a bad job carrying out their responsibilities in Iraq. 78% oppose the presence of coalition forces in Iraq. 69% say the U.S. presence is making the security situation worse. 51% say attacks on coalition forces are acceptable. 40% blame the United States and George Bush for the violence occurring in Iraq versus 18% for al-Qa'ida and foreign jihadis.
So to sum up - we rate a good 14% better than al-Qa'ida in popularity polls. That's really not something to brag about.
There’s one country that counts when it comes to public opinion for US troops killing vs supporting terrorist groups in Iraq. How’s them numbers ?
Which country is that? Iraq? The United States? Iran? Syria? Turkey? Saudi Arabia? There are quite a few interested parties here.
BTW I take it that’s a “no†for they don’t differ from al Qaeda in any meaningful way in terms of what they are in relation to the US.
Comment by Kilo — July 11, 2007 @ 11:08 am
I've already given several meaningful ways in which they differ. Try reading.
July 11th, 2007 at 11:35 amComment by Kilo — July 11, 2007 @ 11:08 am
I’ve already given several meaningful ways in which they differ. Try reading.
Comment by toasterhead
Kilo has a well known and well documented reading comprehension problem
July 11th, 2007 at 11:44 amKilo is incapable of addressing the subject of this thread -- our Draft-Dodger-in-Chief's continued duplicity in linking 9-11 to AQ in Iraq, so he reverts to the most boring troll strategy of all, changing the subject.
Why does our Liar-in-Chief have to dissemble the facts? What does he have to fear from the truth?
July 11th, 2007 at 11:46 am#117
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July 11th, 2007 at 11:46 amI' ll bet this guy sells life insurance for a living.
Kilo has a well known and well documented reading comprehension problem
Comment by Wayne — July 11, 2007 @ 11:44 am
Ahh yes. He must suffer from SIFO. Selective Ignorance of the F*cking Obvious. It's a very common malady among neo-cons, I hear.
July 11th, 2007 at 11:49 amThen you have a work of fiction.
Yeah, a term referring to the original training camp set up by a Pashtun, none of who's followers saw an American for the duration of the Afghan campaign.
As I said, this corroborated by every source, the US officials who were bragging about the great work they did, the Afghans, the Pakistani ISI, those who formed al Qaeda. Every faction says the same thing. No dice.
But you go with the unnamed, unreferenced account in a dodgy magazine if you like.
July 11th, 2007 at 11:52 amoh, those poor deluded souls in the background...
July 11th, 2007 at 11:53 am...you go with the unnamed, unreferenced account in a dodgy magazine if you like. Comment by Kilo
Kilo prefers bogus intel reports from Cheney's secret personal files, thank you very much.
July 11th, 2007 at 11:55 amExcept none in terms of the reason the US wants to engage them in Iraq. Or any of the ways I queried. Or really any meaningful way.
Except for how they rate in opinion polls other than those in the US or Iraq. Yeah great work.
July 11th, 2007 at 12:01 pmWere you not the guy I just had to point out to that opinion poll results in support of terrorist groups in Iraq aren't overwhelmingly positive, but instead overwhelmingly negative in the only places that matter ?
Yeah tell me about ignorance of the fkn obvious pal. Retard.
July 11th, 2007 at 12:06 pmYour sentence should read, to be accurate: If I train a man to use a gun to defend his country, and I invade his country, and he shoots me, that’s my fault is it?
Answer: Yes!
I think you're somewhat geographically challenged. The US provided assistance to the Afghan 'mujahideen' after the Soviet invasion. The discussion here is about Iraq. So, I can only assume you believe that the Iraqi citizens are actually Afghans. Or something.
As I said, I still have the old SoF mags with ther articles of the mercs hired by the cia to train “the base†in Afganistan.
Al Qaeda means litterally “The Baseâ€.
How about some precise references instead of vague allusions to 'old mags'? That aside, even if Afghan fighters were calling themselves 'the Base' back in the '80s that has nothing to do with the modern al-Qaeda. Nor did the CIA train or otherwise assist bin Laden. See, for example, Bin Laden, CIA links hogwash.
July 11th, 2007 at 12:07 pmWell for starters, "we" weren't discussing anything, because you're clearly not up to the task and won't even attempt it when repeatedly prompted. Pussy.
What you've quoted there refers to a historical study of the jihadist movement. So as I said, and you just agreed, it doesn't relate to what was being discussed.
July 11th, 2007 at 12:14 pmKilo, unless you're prepared to argue, as your Megalomaniac-in-Chief does, that AQ-of-Iraq attacked us on 9-11, you should zip yer juvenile maw.
Go ahead: make that argument.
Oh. You can't.
July 11th, 2007 at 12:20 pmExcept none in terms of the reason the US wants to engage them in Iraq. Or any of the ways I queried. Or really any meaningful way.
Except for how they rate in opinion polls other than those in the US or Iraq. Yeah great work.
Comment by Kilo — July 11, 2007 @ 12:01 pm
What to you is a "meaningful way?" The fact that they use violence to achieve their goals? The fact that they kill civilians? The fact that they kill westerners? This makes the ISI and c. 2001 al-Qa'ida no different from the IAI, Ansar al-Sunnah, the Jaish al-Mahdi, the Jaish al-Rashidin, the Jaish al-Fatihin, or the Jaish al-Amrika. The results are the same whenever any of these forces blow up civilians. Innocent people die.
The difference is in the motives of the people joining. The ISI are not going to follow us home. They're not all going to go contract extensively drug-resistent tuberculosis and be waved across the U.S.-Canadian border with a smile. The ISI came about as a direct result of our invasion and occupation of Iraq. They are there to kill as many American troops in Iraq as possible, and the surge is just giving them more targets.
The ideology of al-Qa'ida cannot be defeated militarily. The more we engage them in Iraq, the more we prolong their presence. A majority of Americans want us out of Iraq. A majority of Iraqis want us out of Iraq. What part of democracy do you not like, exactly?
July 11th, 2007 at 12:22 pmComplain not about War for Oil,unless you live like the Amish!
July 11th, 2007 at 12:55 pm#195
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I'll bet this guy reads the koran and the bible, even though he is an atheist.
July 11th, 2007 at 1:38 pmComplain not about War for Oil,unless you live like the Amish!
Con's moral compass? The price of gas! 60,000 dead Iraqi civvies for cheap auto fuel? No problem!
What a subhuman soulless pool of dog snot you must be.
July 11th, 2007 at 1:39 pmHi PiP-squeak! Are you making sense yet?
Hey, Zooey sure hoisted you on your own petard last night, didn't she, you worthless blowhard.
July 11th, 2007 at 1:43 pmIf the 'same crowd' is in Iraq, and we need to fight them there, then shouldn't we go where their leadership is too? It begins with a "P" and ends with a "akistan".
July 11th, 2007 at 2:30 pmIf al Qaeda is the main threat, why are US forces launching raids and airstrikes into Sadr City?
July 11th, 2007 at 2:53 pmBush is right, there WILL be an attack on America soon (like prior to the next president election) - but it will be the same old cia sponsored spectacular terror that will blast away the last pieces of resistance, so they can invoke their recently acquired right to declare marshal law without the approval of congress.
Why do you think they are frenetically building over 800 underground detention camps all around the states these days?
But this time people will see through their incredible evil bullshit. Either they must rule by open dicatorship or yield to the people - there will never come a new day when the majority rally behind Bush like after 911.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1656880303867390173&q=freedom+to+facism+duration%3Along
July 11th, 2007 at 3:44 pmIs there any lie that George Bush is not willing to tell?
Oh, I forgot, the Republican Party IS The Nazi Party.
July 11th, 2007 at 4:35 pmOne remote controlled jet and a second remote controlled jet
July 11th, 2007 at 4:59 pmthen built in micro nukes which caused molten pools of steel!
Wake up people we are all guilty of doing 911 because of
our complacent arrogant behavior!
Your lucky they didnt turn NYC into a wasteland like Hiroshima
then we wouldnt have evidence of stupid Laserguided jets
and micro-demo nukes!The shadow government forces dont
have enough balls to do that,then all youll have for evidence
is a wasteland not these stupid childish"remote controlled jets"!
I Burn Bibles as my own personal ritual!
July 11th, 2007 at 5:10 pmAnd Koran will be used as $#it paper!
King James Bible is kept as historical
document and proof that it causes
the dreaded epidemic we see in American
Society called"Cognitive Dissonance"!!!
The US provided assistance to the Afghan ‘mujahideen’ after the Soviet invasion.
Comment by Edmund Standing
This is what is always said, but the truth is that FIRST we recruited and armed the fundamentalist rebels in Afghanistan (mostly through Pakistan)who we knew would threaten the Soviet-friendly government causing the Soviet invasion.
Read the link below. It has 26 sources.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO109C.html
July 11th, 2007 at 5:49 pm60,000 dead Iraqi civvies for cheap auto fuel? No problem!
Comment by Arthur C
Except it is close to one million dead and the idea is (as Greg Palast explains well) is to control the price of oil so you can take it up or down as you like. Barrel of oil under Clinton $18. Barrel of oil today $70. Reserves of big oil corps zoomed up to $2.3 Trillion.
July 11th, 2007 at 5:55 pmI paid $0.95 a gallon in 1992 and $0.95 in 2000. Compare that to 2001-2007 !!!!
July 11th, 2007 at 5:59 pmWhich person ordered the 9/11 attacks? A) Saddam Hussein. B) Osama bin Laden. BUZZ. Wrong neo-con breath. The answer is B) Osama bin Laden, from his Afghanistan al Qaeda lair.
The crazed Isamic suicide jihadists who killed almost 3,000 U.S. citizens on 9/11 were: A) Iraqis trained at Saddam Hussein's terrorist training camps in Iraq, or B) 15 citizens of Saudi Arabia along with several other NON-Iraqis who were trained at terrorist training camps in Afghanistan run by Osama bin Laden? BUZZ. Once again neo-con breath, you got the wrong answer. The correct one is B) since there were no, nada, not a single Iraqi who participated in the 9/11 attacks.
President Bush in 2002, between the 9/11 attacks and his starting war in Iraq, knew from intelligence reports that an al Qaeda guy had settled in a small village in northern Iraq, next to the Kurds, and protected by U.S./British fighter jets patrolling 24/7 the northern Iraqi "no-fly zone."
Did Bush A) order the bombing and flattening of this al Qaeda guy's northern Iraqi hideout, following through on Bush's promise to get al Qaeda wherever they might be, which, in fact, led to the earlier, post-9/11 killing of an al Qaeda operative in Yemen by a missile launched from a Predator drone aircraft (it zeroed in on the cellphone this al Qaeda guy was using), or B) did Bush and Cheney leave this al Qaeda guy alone before their March 2003 order to invade Iraq, thus letting this al Qaeda guy live, only to have him turn up later killing Iraqi citizens and members of our military over in Iraq? BUZZ. Wrong again neo-con breath. Bush and Cheney let this al Qaeda guy live so he could kill another day. Last year in 2006, he was finally killed, four years after Bush and Cheney decided not to flatten the place in northern Iraq where he was holed-up.
Nutty people with neo-con breath should definitely take a breath mint, and have their Faux News-addled brains checked.
July 11th, 2007 at 9:51 pmTell that lie just one more time, chimpy, and I'll fall for it...NOT.
July 11th, 2007 at 10:40 pmIf you replace "Bush Administration" with most all "Al Qaida" references in this ... what do you get? The truth! Imagine that. Jung might've been onto something.
July 11th, 2007 at 11:02 pmSpoon Fed Americans!
July 12th, 2007 at 8:50 am