Comments on: Six-month anniversary of escalation in Iraq. http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/10/six-month-anniversary-of-escalation-in-iraq/ Thu, 26 Nov 2009 02:36:09 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: Probus http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/10/six-month-anniversary-of-escalation-in-iraq/comment-page-3/#comment-3926239 Probus Wed, 11 Jul 2007 06:10:01 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/07/10/six-month-anniversary-of-escalation-in-iraq/#comment-3926239 This surge was a flawed strategy from the beginning. Our troops should never have been part of this surge because the emphasis should have been on political and diplomatic achievements instead of just military goals that were not likely to be met. We can't win this civil war. What achievements has the Maliki government made in the past 6 months? Which benchmarks have they achieved? None. Our military is being stretched to its limits with no end in sight for our soldiers some of whom are on their 3rd and 4th deployments. What is the point of securing Baghdad's neighborhoods if the insurgents are going to just move into other parts of Iraq. Political benchmarks are critical even Bush doesn't deny that. Then why has no effort been made to get the oil law passed? When will the Constitution be amended to let more Sunnis into the government? When will the de-baathification process take place? When are the militias going to be disarmed? No progress is the height of incompetency for both Maliki and Bush. This surge was a flawed strategy from the beginning. Our troops should never have been part of this surge because the emphasis should have been on political and diplomatic achievements instead of just military goals that were not likely to be met. We can’t win this civil war. What achievements has the Maliki government made in the past 6 months? Which benchmarks have they achieved? None. Our military is being stretched to its limits with no end in sight for our soldiers some of whom are on their 3rd and 4th deployments.

What is the point of securing Baghdad’s neighborhoods if the insurgents are going to just move into other parts of Iraq. Political benchmarks are critical even Bush doesn’t deny that. Then why has no effort been made to get the oil law passed? When will the Constitution be amended to let more Sunnis into the government? When will the de-baathification process take place? When are the militias going to be disarmed? No progress is the height of incompetency for both Maliki and Bush.

]]> By: margaret http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/10/six-month-anniversary-of-escalation-in-iraq/comment-page-3/#comment-3924344 margaret Tue, 10 Jul 2007 19:20:05 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/07/10/six-month-anniversary-of-escalation-in-iraq/#comment-3924344 Veritas, I had to step away for a minute, but, may I say that your words are most encouraging! Balm for the soul. I certainly love the idea of being a "lightworker"! I suppose you could say that I am a lightworker-in-training? I try to get to the bottom of things and share what I learn with others whenever I get the chance. But I try to tailor the message to each individual. I've found that some can stomach the truth more than others and some are completely unable at this point in their lives to even consider upsetting ideas (such as the possibility that their gov't lied to them about Iraq having WMDs). Your words have given me fuel to fight against becoming cynical. Thank you very, very much. Veritas, I had to step away for a minute, but, may I say that your words are most encouraging! Balm for the soul. I certainly love the idea of being a “lightworker”! I suppose you could say that I am a lightworker-in-training?

I try to get to the bottom of things and share what I learn with others whenever I get the chance. But I try to tailor the message to each individual. I’ve found that some can stomach the truth more than others and some are completely unable at this point in their lives to even consider upsetting ideas (such as the possibility that their gov’t lied to them about Iraq having WMDs).

Your words have given me fuel to fight against becoming cynical. Thank you very, very much.

]]> By: veritas http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/10/six-month-anniversary-of-escalation-in-iraq/comment-page-3/#comment-3924270 veritas Tue, 10 Jul 2007 19:03:09 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/07/10/six-month-anniversary-of-escalation-in-iraq/#comment-3924270 There's also transcripts of Jeb Bush meeting with hackers prior to the 2000 election if anyone is interested. Of course, one also has to wonder: where was 41 during these hacking plans?? Perhaps in the same spot he was when the JFK murder plot was being arranged? There’s also transcripts of Jeb Bush meeting with hackers prior to the 2000 election if anyone is interested. Of course, one also has to wonder: where was 41 during these hacking plans?? Perhaps in the same spot he was when the JFK murder plot was being arranged?

]]> By: veritas http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/10/six-month-anniversary-of-escalation-in-iraq/comment-page-3/#comment-3924263 veritas Tue, 10 Jul 2007 19:01:35 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/07/10/six-month-anniversary-of-escalation-in-iraq/#comment-3924263 We all know that the elections of 2000 and 2004 were 'stolen' by corrupting the software in the voting machines. About 3/4 of this country now knows this ugly truth. How does one correct such a heinous and intentional (not to mention massive) dark deception? It's taking us years to do so and it's now scientifically proven. Go to www.blackboxvoting.org and www. bradblog.com for the updates on how it will still be hacked in 08. Tell everyone you know that the Holt Bill is nothing more than slick chicanery once again to assuage those who know now that their votes were hacked twice....and still leave the machines totally vulnerable and hackable. Thank your congressmen for this! We all know that the elections of 2000 and 2004 were ’stolen’ by corrupting the software in the voting machines. About 3/4 of this country now knows this ugly truth. How does one correct such a heinous and intentional (not to mention massive) dark deception? It’s taking us years to do so and it’s now scientifically proven. Go to http://www.blackboxvoting.org and www. bradblog.com for the updates on how it will still be hacked in 08. Tell everyone you know that the Holt Bill is nothing more than slick chicanery once again to assuage those who know now that their votes were hacked twice….and still leave the machines totally vulnerable and hackable. Thank your congressmen for this!

]]> By: veritas http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/10/six-month-anniversary-of-escalation-in-iraq/comment-page-3/#comment-3924248 veritas Tue, 10 Jul 2007 18:58:23 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/07/10/six-month-anniversary-of-escalation-in-iraq/#comment-3924248 Willyloman: Indeed, you are a lightworker also from the one and tenor of your posts. Yes, it's frustrating to work against lies (darkness) but it must be done. So the fight continues to continue to bring truth (light) to deception (darkness). We can do it but much damage has been done while we overrode our gut discernment about these thugs and made the critical error: trusting them. Willyloman: Indeed, you are a lightworker also from the one and tenor of your posts. Yes, it’s frustrating to work against lies (darkness) but it must be done. So the fight continues to continue to bring truth (light) to deception (darkness). We can do it but much damage has been done while we overrode our gut discernment about these thugs and made the critical error: trusting them.

]]> By: veritas http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/10/six-month-anniversary-of-escalation-in-iraq/comment-page-3/#comment-3924237 veritas Tue, 10 Jul 2007 18:56:46 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/07/10/six-month-anniversary-of-escalation-in-iraq/#comment-3924237 Hey Margaret! I hear you! Many of my friends already have moved to Canada and are much happier up there. I've heard that people are relocated there in droves from this country. Can't blame them. Most americans with a heart and soul feel like aliens in their own country these days. Isn't amazing how so many of us are gifted with the ability to discern and "see" - often things others either cannot see yet or don't want to see (the rug brushers)? No doubt you are a "lightworker" youself and I believe that you know what I mean. Our entire life's work is to see Truth and attempt to bring awareness and light to the darkness which is man-made. After all, only light truly exists. Darkness is just the absence of light. So it behooves all of us gifted with knowledge, wisdom, and empathy for our fellow man to now move forward and try to do something. This was our challenge and purpose when we arrived here, after all. Signal me that you know that I know that you know when you have time... Hey Margaret! I hear you! Many of my friends already have moved to Canada and are much happier up there. I’ve heard that people are relocated there in droves from this country. Can’t blame them. Most americans with a heart and soul feel like aliens in their own country these days.

Isn’t amazing how so many of us are gifted with the ability to discern and “see” – often things others either cannot see yet or don’t want to see (the rug brushers)? No doubt you are a “lightworker” youself and I believe that you know what I mean. Our entire life’s work is to see Truth and attempt to bring awareness and light to the darkness which is man-made.

After all, only light truly exists. Darkness is just the absence of light. So it behooves all of us gifted with knowledge, wisdom, and empathy for our fellow man to now move forward and try to do something. This was our challenge and purpose when we arrived here, after all.

Signal me that you know that I know that you know when you have time…

]]> By: willyloman http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/10/six-month-anniversary-of-escalation-in-iraq/comment-page-3/#comment-3923722 willyloman Tue, 10 Jul 2007 16:58:52 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/07/10/six-month-anniversary-of-escalation-in-iraq/#comment-3923722 margaret; I wish more people in this country could know the conditions in Gaza and the West Bank. But I know that public awareness is on the rise. We don't believe the standard lines anymore and in some ways we have the Bush Administration to thank for that. They have lied about everything and that has lead alot of people to start questioning everything. Thank you for your comment, I would have liked to see her face. margaret; I wish more people in this country could know the conditions in Gaza and the West Bank. But I know that public awareness is on the rise.

We don’t believe the standard lines anymore and in some ways we have the Bush Administration to thank for that.

They have lied about everything and that has lead alot of people to start questioning everything.

Thank you for your comment, I would have liked to see her face.

]]> By: margaret http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/10/six-month-anniversary-of-escalation-in-iraq/comment-page-3/#comment-3923643 margaret Tue, 10 Jul 2007 16:35:59 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/07/10/six-month-anniversary-of-escalation-in-iraq/#comment-3923643 willyloman - I used to buy the whole evil Palestinian/poor oppressed Israeli thing. Then I did my own research. It wrecks me to see what the Palestinians go through. My mother used to work with one of the millions of displaced Palestinians. His anger turned her off. I told her that if I was Palestinian I'd be even angrier. You should have seen her face! willyloman – I used to buy the whole evil Palestinian/poor oppressed Israeli thing. Then I did my own research. It wrecks me to see what the Palestinians go through. My mother used to work with one of the millions of displaced Palestinians. His anger turned her off. I told her that if I was Palestinian I’d be even angrier. You should have seen her face!

]]> By: margaret http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/10/six-month-anniversary-of-escalation-in-iraq/comment-page-3/#comment-3923633 margaret Tue, 10 Jul 2007 16:32:00 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/07/10/six-month-anniversary-of-escalation-in-iraq/#comment-3923633 Comment by veritas — July 10, 2007 @ 12:11 pm You're right of course. It certainly is beginning to look like a concerted, long-term effort on the part of those involved. I wonder what they have planned for us all for the next forty years? I tend to quietly express myself to those around me. But, as time goes by, they've begun to ask my opinion because they're beginning to see what I see. Mind you, some of them are asking me if I think we should all just move to Canada! Comment by veritas — July 10, 2007 @ 12:11 pm

You’re right of course. It certainly is beginning to look like a concerted, long-term effort on the part of those involved. I wonder what they have planned for us all for the next forty years?

I tend to quietly express myself to those around me. But, as time goes by, they’ve begun to ask my opinion because they’re beginning to see what I see. Mind you, some of them are asking me if I think we should all just move to Canada!

]]> By: willyloman http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/10/six-month-anniversary-of-escalation-in-iraq/comment-page-3/#comment-3923630 willyloman Tue, 10 Jul 2007 16:31:13 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/07/10/six-month-anniversary-of-escalation-in-iraq/#comment-3923630 You want to help and not just run around copying and pasting crap all over the place? http://www.endtheoccupation.org/ sign up and help out. like I did. do something. your jew conspiracy theory doesn't help anyone. i've read it all. Years ago. It's not about "the jews" it's about ultra right wing elements in Israeli Government tied into our Christian Ultra right wing elements and Mexicos Ultra right wing elements and Europes Ultra right wing elements. Yes Prescot was a war profiteer and 41 took nazi money to Texas to buy into oil companies. Congrats. Now, sign up to help bring awareness to the suffering of the Palestinian people. You want to help and not just run around copying and pasting crap all over the place?

http://www.endtheoccupation.org/

sign up and help out. like I did. do something.

your jew conspiracy theory doesn’t help anyone. i’ve read it all. Years ago. It’s not about “the jews” it’s about ultra right wing elements in Israeli Government tied into our Christian Ultra right wing elements and Mexicos Ultra right wing elements and Europes Ultra right wing elements.

Yes Prescot was a war profiteer and 41 took nazi money to Texas to buy into oil companies.

Congrats. Now, sign up to help bring awareness to the suffering of the Palestinian people.

]]> By: Thad http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/10/six-month-anniversary-of-escalation-in-iraq/comment-page-3/#comment-3923609 Thad Tue, 10 Jul 2007 16:21:22 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/07/10/six-month-anniversary-of-escalation-in-iraq/#comment-3923609 Thanks for the numbers; I was planning on looking them up so I could send them to my Congressman (Harry Mitchell, D-AZ 5), who I'm still pretty angry with for voting for the Bush Capitulation Act in May. However, he seems to have gotten the message already as I heard him on the radio yesterday talking about how the surge isn't working and we need to draw down, so I'll probably hold off for a bit and see where he goes with it. Thanks for the numbers; I was planning on looking them up so I could send them to my Congressman (Harry Mitchell, D-AZ 5), who I’m still pretty angry with for voting for the Bush Capitulation Act in May. However, he seems to have gotten the message already as I heard him on the radio yesterday talking about how the surge isn’t working and we need to draw down, so I’ll probably hold off for a bit and see where he goes with it.

]]> By: margaret http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/10/six-month-anniversary-of-escalation-in-iraq/comment-page-3/#comment-3923604 margaret Tue, 10 Jul 2007 16:20:20 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/07/10/six-month-anniversary-of-escalation-in-iraq/#comment-3923604 Hello veritas! So nice of you to say hi. Ace is the sort of person that I used to think was a bit out there but then, as I got older, I realized that a lot of what used to be labeled paranoid nonsense was proving to be true! I'm old enough to remember how anyone who dared to say that the cia had anything to do with the coup in Chile (for ex.) was crazy. Well gee, it was all true! "U.S. officials released documents on Monday acknowledging the CIA had provided covert aid 30 years ago to undermine Chile's government, but analysts say some of the most important documents have not yet been made public." http://archives.cnn.com/2000/WORLD/americas/11/13/cia.chile.02/ Between the neocon Strauss connection, those awful awful Kristols, Cheney and Rummy having had their warped fingers in everything for the last FOUR decades (Bush 41 even longer), well the pieces of the puzzle seem to be forming a picture don't they! Hello veritas! So nice of you to say hi. Ace is the sort of person that I used to think was a bit out there but then, as I got older, I realized that a lot of what used to be labeled paranoid nonsense was proving to be true!

I’m old enough to remember how anyone who dared to say that the cia had anything to do with the coup in Chile (for ex.) was crazy. Well gee, it was all true!

“U.S. officials released documents on Monday acknowledging the CIA had provided covert aid 30 years ago to undermine Chile’s government, but analysts say some of the most important documents have not yet been made public.”

http://archives.cnn.com/2000/WORLD/americas/11/13/cia.chile.02/

Between the neocon Strauss connection, those awful awful Kristols, Cheney and Rummy having had their warped fingers in everything for the last FOUR decades (Bush 41 even longer), well the pieces of the puzzle seem to be forming a picture don’t they!

]]> By: veritas http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/10/six-month-anniversary-of-escalation-in-iraq/comment-page-3/#comment-3923585 veritas Tue, 10 Jul 2007 16:14:04 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/07/10/six-month-anniversary-of-escalation-in-iraq/#comment-3923585 So, again, thanks Ace for the volume of credible information and scientific data you've provided to all of us here at TP! Keep the info flowing.....great stuff! So, again, thanks Ace for the volume of credible information and scientific data you’ve provided to all of us here at TP! Keep the info flowing…..great stuff!

]]> By: veritas http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/10/six-month-anniversary-of-escalation-in-iraq/comment-page-3/#comment-3923581 veritas Tue, 10 Jul 2007 16:12:54 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/07/10/six-month-anniversary-of-escalation-in-iraq/#comment-3923581 But what a clever little scheme this was - to put wet-behind-the-ears "kids" into key positions so they could become the administration "fall guys"....gotta admit....THAT was different. Criminal but different. But what a clever little scheme this was – to put wet-behind-the-ears “kids” into key positions so they could become the administration “fall guys”….gotta admit….THAT was different. Criminal but different.

]]> By: Kilo http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/10/six-month-anniversary-of-escalation-in-iraq/comment-page-3/#comment-3923579 Kilo Tue, 10 Jul 2007 16:12:18 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/07/10/six-month-anniversary-of-escalation-in-iraq/#comment-3923579 <blockquote>Yes, encourage all of your friends to begin their own personal research into all of this. Comment by veritas — July 10, 2007 @ 12:06 pm</blockquote> And post it all here!!! Even the stuff about Clinton being a drug smuggling kingpin. It's all good kids. None of it will be used to ruin the reputation of this blog, honestly.

Yes, encourage all of your friends to begin their own personal research into all of this.
Comment by veritas — July 10, 2007 @ 12:06 pm

And post it all here!!!

Even the stuff about Clinton being a drug smuggling kingpin. It’s all good kids. None of it will be used to ruin the reputation of this blog, honestly.

]]> By: veritas http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/10/six-month-anniversary-of-escalation-in-iraq/comment-page-3/#comment-3923577 veritas Tue, 10 Jul 2007 16:11:27 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/07/10/six-month-anniversary-of-escalation-in-iraq/#comment-3923577 I guess the "fly in the ointment" so to speak in the massive infiltration of these fascists into every facet of our government was actually Allan Bloom, Professor at University of Chicago, who pushed through some 100 PhD's who now teach in universities and law schools across this country.....producing more little nazis each year. Of course, we know that 150 fascists are sitting in key administration position under Hitler(whoops - Bush's) regime. That became obvious during some of the hearings where these kids look like deer-in-the-headlights and knew nothing about accountability because they'd been brainwashed by reichwing unirsities like Regent and think tanks like The Federalist Society. Of course, drunk on the possibility of their own power (and the ego perk) they sit in positions and are being made patsys of left and right. Fools and incompetents to believe they have the credibility, education, or experience to even apply for the position - no less function realistically in it. But I digress....sorry.... I guess the “fly in the ointment” so to speak in the massive infiltration of these fascists into every facet of our government was actually Allan Bloom, Professor at University of Chicago, who pushed through some 100 PhD’s who now teach in universities and law schools across this country…..producing more little nazis each year. Of course, we know that 150 fascists are sitting in key administration position under Hitler(whoops – Bush’s) regime. That became obvious during some of the hearings where these kids look like deer-in-the-headlights and knew nothing about accountability because they’d been brainwashed by reichwing unirsities like Regent and think tanks like The Federalist Society. Of course, drunk on the possibility of their own power (and the ego perk) they sit in positions and are being made patsys of left and right. Fools and incompetents to believe they have the credibility, education, or experience to even apply for the position – no less function realistically in it. But I digress….sorry….

]]> By: Kilo http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/10/six-month-anniversary-of-escalation-in-iraq/comment-page-3/#comment-3923567 Kilo Tue, 10 Jul 2007 16:09:14 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/07/10/six-month-anniversary-of-escalation-in-iraq/#comment-3923567 <blockquote>Kilo sez: Can you [barfly] produce a link to the last time you posted something meaningful or insightful anywhere on this blog ? Here’s one, Kilo…one in which, strangely enough, barfly is providing you with information you were seemingly too lazy to find yourself. Comment by TripMaster Monkey — July 10, 2007 @ 11:57 am </blockquote> Oh I get it. TP lies about the contents of a report. I state it says no such thing. Guy finds a quote that supports my statement and confirms TP is lying. I'm lazy for not finding that. Gotcha. Lazy I am then.

Kilo sez: Can you [barfly] produce a link to the last time you posted something meaningful or insightful anywhere on this blog ?

Here’s one, Kilo…one in which, strangely enough, barfly is providing you with information you were seemingly too lazy to find yourself.

Comment by TripMaster Monkey — July 10, 2007 @ 11:57 am

Oh I get it.
TP lies about the contents of a report.
I state it says no such thing.
Guy finds a quote that supports my statement and confirms TP is lying.
I’m lazy for not finding that.
Gotcha. Lazy I am then.

]]> By: veritas http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/10/six-month-anniversary-of-escalation-in-iraq/comment-page-3/#comment-3923562 veritas Tue, 10 Jul 2007 16:06:48 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/07/10/six-month-anniversary-of-escalation-in-iraq/#comment-3923562 Margaret - Hi! And, yes, Ace is a font of valuable information for all of us. I've printed his links and posts as well and am still learning more about what's going on. I've found his reference to Leo Strauss (via Irving Kristol and now his Shrub, William Kristol) to be especially enlightening. I was having difficulty understanding how a group of morons could come up with this philosophy on their own. It reminded me of Hitler's MO yet was somehow combining what I knew of historic fascism as well. Now I see that they're not intelligent at all - they've usurped the Straussian dogma right out of the book! Yes, encourage all of your friends to begin their own personal research into all of this. The more informed the public becomes, the more the outrage and ultimate yell for impeachment. Margaret – Hi! And, yes, Ace is a font of valuable information for all of us. I’ve printed his links and posts as well and am still learning more about what’s going on. I’ve found his reference to Leo Strauss (via Irving Kristol and now his Shrub, William Kristol) to be especially enlightening. I was having difficulty understanding how a group of morons could come up with this philosophy on their own. It reminded me of Hitler’s MO yet was somehow combining what I knew of historic fascism as well. Now I see that they’re not intelligent at all – they’ve usurped the Straussian dogma right out of the book!

Yes, encourage all of your friends to begin their own personal research into all of this. The more informed the public becomes, the more the outrage and ultimate yell for impeachment.

]]> By: veritas http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/10/six-month-anniversary-of-escalation-in-iraq/comment-page-3/#comment-3923553 veritas Tue, 10 Jul 2007 16:03:49 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/07/10/six-month-anniversary-of-escalation-in-iraq/#comment-3923553 I've read some biographical works on Bush 41 as well as Bush 43 and the general consensus is that they both had totally dysfunctional childhoods. By the time little Bush came along in the 40's, Pappy's pathology must have been fully developed which, of course, he passed on to him by abusing him emotionally. I’ve read some biographical works on Bush 41 as well as Bush 43 and the general consensus is that they both had totally dysfunctional childhoods. By the time little Bush came along in the 40’s, Pappy’s pathology must have been fully developed which, of course, he passed on to him by abusing him emotionally.

]]> By: margaret http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/10/six-month-anniversary-of-escalation-in-iraq/comment-page-3/#comment-3923546 margaret Tue, 10 Jul 2007 16:02:01 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/07/10/six-month-anniversary-of-escalation-in-iraq/#comment-3923546 Personally, being a total info-junkie, I've printed up a lot of ace's info w/links. I think that we all need to do our own research and ace provides a lot of places to start. Personally, being a total info-junkie, I’ve printed up a lot of ace’s info w/links. I think that we all need to do our own research and ace provides a lot of places to start.

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