REPORT: Six Months Later, Time’s Up For Escalation Proponents
REPORT: Six Months Later, Time’s Up For Escalation Proponents
Six months ago today, on January 10, 2007, the President announced his policy of escalation in Iraq. He claimed that “if we increase our support at this crucial moment, and help the Iraqis break the current cycle of violence, we can hasten the day our troops begin coming home.”
A host of administration officials and media pundits quickly embraced Bush’s call, and asked that the American public give it a chance to succeed. Building off the work that has been done by Atrios and others, ThinkProgress has compiled a list of administration officials and media pundits who promised a reassessment after giving the surge a chance. Some examples:
CONDOLEEZZA RICE: So it’s not as if there is a date, at six months we’ll know and then we have to do something dramatic. [Time Magazine, 1/12/07]
CHARLES KRAUTHAMMER: I think we ought to give him and the president the benefit of the doubt, give them six months and see if it can be controlled. [Fox News, 1/12/07]
BILL O’REILLY: We can’t force these people to stop killing each other. They’re either going to do it or they’re not, but now they know. Now they know. They’ve got six months and that’s it. [The O'Reilly Factor, 1/24/07]
Six months later, the cycle of violence in Iraq continues. Since Bush announced the escalation, 590 U.S. soldiers and tens of thousands of Iraqi civilians have died. Military assessments suggest that “the U.S. military’s plan to secure Baghdad against a rising insurgency is falling far short of its goal” and “no progress has been made on the political benchmarks the Iraqi government was supposed to have met already.”
Bush’s escalation has failed, and time is up for the following list of people. Read the report HERE, and let us know if there’s someone we missed.
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Number of political and military objectives achieved by the Iraqi government.
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http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/07/10/they-think-they-can-get-away-with-it/#comments
July 10th, 2007 at 3:58 pmOK time’s up. You had your chance.
Ya know, someday we’ll all look back on this and…….cry.
July 10th, 2007 at 3:59 pmThey will never concede.
July 10th, 2007 at 3:59 pmSure they said give us 6 months. And you believed this bunch was truthful? Pffffffft.
July 10th, 2007 at 3:59 pmNothing from nothing means “nothing”….. and zero plus zero still equals zero. There’s absolutely NO WAY to spin this one. This is a HUGE strike against the Bush Cabal.
July 10th, 2007 at 4:00 pmWell, we’re winning aren’t we?
Good Job Bush!!!
CHENEY 2008!!!
July 10th, 2007 at 4:00 pmSad to say this, but Iraqis were safer under Saddam than they are under the Toy Emperor Bush.
Bring our troops home. NOW!
Bush has created enough of a mess to destabilize the entire middle east for the next several decades.
Got Osama? I thought not.
ReichWingNutWhackJobs need to be thrown into jail for their treasonous slight of hand over Iraq!
July 10th, 2007 at 4:00 pmI’d say that it’s time for Congress to intervene and de-fund this insane war of imperialist aggression, but I’m getting tired of repeating myself.
The Democratic Congress could have stopped this nonsense long ago by simply failing to pass additional budgets for the war. That they have failed to do so makes them accomplices in this administration’s awful crimes.
July 10th, 2007 at 4:00 pmOf course, we were not stupid enough to buy into his bull$hit to begin with 6 months ago. I’ve been against this war from the outset. Things just were a bit too illogical, unseemly, and certainly flew in the face of almost every other member of NATO. It’s just a shame that, for whatever reason, those in Congress whom we trust to work for us failed to do their homework on something so critical….so important….so deadly.
Guess Russ Feingold and Dennis Kucinich did their homework though and should be rewarded with either our confidence or our vote.
July 10th, 2007 at 4:02 pmWere they prophets? No. They simply were doing their job and read the fine print.
Time is up for the Bush administration as well. Throw them out now!
July 10th, 2007 at 4:03 pmWar should ALWAYS be the “last resort” – in this case, it was the “first resort” which is why it’s failing and taking this country’s economic future down with it – along with this country’s brightest and best young people – the true patriots who believed in something and then realized that they were duped.
July 10th, 2007 at 4:03 pmCT/PiP 2028!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
July 10th, 2007 at 4:04 pmAs Jimmy Carter says in his latest book (which is not kind at all to the Bush Empire)….not one drop of american blood was shed during his presidency. This needs to now become the benchmark for whether our president is a good president or a fraud.
July 10th, 2007 at 4:05 pm#11 You’re right! Time IS up and all that’s left is “the cryin’” for Bush, Cheney, Rice, and Gonzo….and a whole host of congressmen who will be outed by the prostitutes.
July 10th, 2007 at 4:06 pmHe announced it 6 months ago, but how long did it take for the full troop level to occur? Thats when the 6 months should start.
July 10th, 2007 at 4:06 pmNo one I know listens to dipdong’s speeches and probably won’t bother listening this time either. Why should we? To listen to a pathological liar is tantamount to personal insanity. Who wants to hear more lies and BS? Not I!
July 10th, 2007 at 4:07 pmTimes up guys.
July 10th, 2007 at 4:07 pmJust a another great day at the mall for libtards.
God Bless you Mr. Bush!
God Bless you and all of the wonderful things you have done for the country, nay, THE WORLD!!!
July 10th, 2007 at 4:08 pmNumber of political and military objectives achieved by the Iraqi government.
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More time they should get, in days, months or years.
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Comment by RUCerious
July 10th, 2007 at 4:08 pm—————————————————
Just another libtard opinion
Squeegeboo: That’s the latest talking point they’re trying to hammer – that the full troop deployment wasn’t or isn’t there yet. Guess what though – the fact is that 23,000 have been there….3,000 more than the number he told the american people. Caught lying again? About the number deployed? About the fact that they’ve been deployed for some time? Think so.
July 10th, 2007 at 4:08 pmI am sure they didn’t mean an actual 6 months more like an extended 6 months.
July 10th, 2007 at 4:09 pm0 + 0 = 0
0 + 0 = 0
Some trolltradturds don’t seem to understand even the basics of math, do they?
July 10th, 2007 at 4:09 pmROTFLMAO – big time!
Hey!!!
It’s
PiP/CT 2028!!!
You get to be Prez after I have served my two terms.
July 10th, 2007 at 4:10 pm2100+ days since terrorist attack on US soil
thanks again President Bush
TPers continue your shopping at the mall.
July 10th, 2007 at 4:10 pmHeyoooooooooOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooo Mr. President!
July 10th, 2007 at 4:11 pmPerhaps our resident village idiot/troll wants to go back 2100 days to the facts surrounding 911?? Seems so!
July 10th, 2007 at 4:11 pmHey, what’s goin’ on Flaco?
Good t’ see ya!
July 10th, 2007 at 4:11 pmsqueege, how do you determine even what the “full surge” is?
July 10th, 2007 at 4:11 pmHe originally stated 15k troops would be sent, but then sent in over 28k.
So should we mark the 6 mons from when the 15k troops were there, or the inflated 28k?
Flaco, did you see a.c.e.’s post from earlier today!!!
Classic nutters!
July 10th, 2007 at 4:12 pm6 months – the Friedman Unit!
Actually 6 months is the amount of time the Republicans Party has left before total collapse.
July 10th, 2007 at 4:12 pmOh there you are Mrs. President!
July 10th, 2007 at 4:12 pmThank you, Mr. President. I will.
July 10th, 2007 at 4:14 pm#
6 months – the Friedman Unit!
Actually 6 months is the amount of time the Republicans Party has left before total collapse.
Comment by werenotgonnatakeit — July 10, 2007 @ 4:12 pm
Truer words were never spoken – actually, I’m giving Bush two months and believe that his month’s vacation in August will mean the beginning of his going “into hiding” to avoid impeachment.
July 10th, 2007 at 4:14 pmWilco
squeege, how do you determine even what the “full surge†is?
He originally stated 15k troops would be sent, but then sent in over 28k.
So should we mark the 6 mons from when the 15k troops were there, or the inflated 28k?
TP is using his State of the Union address where he said 23k, so I would think when those 21k were sent would be a good starting point.
July 10th, 2007 at 4:14 pmNo-one in particular,
Don’t thank me!
Say “Sir, yes sir!”
July 10th, 2007 at 4:15 pmYou get to be Prez after I have served my two terms.
Comment by Mr. President
OOOOoooOOOoooOOOps, Mr. President. That was an unintentional flip.
PIP/CT 2028!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
CT/??? 2036!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
July 10th, 2007 at 4:15 pmTake a good look at that haggard mug of his and you KNOW that his demons are haunting him! He’s aged 10 years in the past 6 months. That’s what a life of pathological lying does to a person. It’s downright frightening to see how horrible he looks these days. Makeup….heavy makeup, Mr. Prez.
July 10th, 2007 at 4:15 pmMeanwhile, the rest of you should watch this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWmwDy6wr8Y&mode=related
July 10th, 2007 at 4:16 pmFor the Bush administration, the marketing of the “surge” in Iraq more and more looks like an ad for a Hollywood flop. In this case, the box office numbers are in and the film is a dismal failure. And yet a small but reliable group of friendly critics continues to offer rave reviews for “Iraq: The Surge.”
“Iraq Surge Wins Rave Reviews.”
July 10th, 2007 at 4:16 pmBush’s speech tonight – Just another low class dog and pony show. I’d rather watch a movie.
July 10th, 2007 at 4:16 pm#38: Sir, yes sir!
July 10th, 2007 at 4:16 pmCT,
I figured as much.
It’s cool.
July 10th, 2007 at 4:16 pm#42 What Bush needs is to begin “marketing himself” because his rep is the sorriest reputation on the planet. If he’d get some slick NY adman, perhaps he could polish a turd? who knows?
July 10th, 2007 at 4:17 pmThat Petraeus wrote the book on counterinsurgency! He’s a genius! Just give his surge a chance!
Petraeus must have been writing fiction. He’s not so smart. The surge is over.
July 10th, 2007 at 4:17 pmlook at what shame and guilt have reduced this president to.
July 10th, 2007 at 4:17 pmTROLL ALERT! DO NOT POST ON THESE THREADS RIGHT NOW AS THEY ARE INFECTED WITH A BAD CASE OF MONTEZUMA’S REVENGE! THREE TROLLS ALL TALKING TO EACH OTHER…..KNOCK YOURSELVES OUT, FOOLS.
July 10th, 2007 at 4:18 pmI WANT the trolls! Bring em on!
For real – they have nothing! No arguments! No facts! No shame! No power! NOTHING!
July 10th, 2007 at 4:19 pmWhat do they call a wagon circle when there is only one wagon left to circle?
July 10th, 2007 at 4:20 pmThis whole thing just makes me sad. Add this one to a long list..
July 10th, 2007 at 4:21 pmSad.. Very very sad.
July 10th, 2007 at 4:21 pm6 more months without catching OBL. 2122 days since Bush said he would get him dead or alive.
July 10th, 2007 at 4:21 pmI WANT the trolls! Bring em on!
For real – they have nothing! No arguments! No facts! No shame! No power! NOTHING!
Comment by werenotgonnatakeit
How do you figure that?
And, why are you overconfident?
July 10th, 2007 at 4:23 pmComment by veritas — July 10, 2007 @ 4:18 pm
hEyOOOO0000ooo00OOOOooo00ooOO0Ooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
July 10th, 2007 at 4:23 pm2122 days w/o OBL
thanks again President Bush
TPers continue your shopping at the mall.
Wanted: Dead or Alive!
Bring Em On!
Mission Accoplished!
ROFL!!!
July 10th, 2007 at 4:24 pmWe know about the “surge” but has anyone asked them if they came up with a “plan” yet?
July 10th, 2007 at 4:24 pmActually 6 months is the amount of time the Republicans Party has left before total collapse.
Comment by werenotgonnatakeit
Are we going to start a pool. Because I say 11 weeks and Bush/Cheney will be out of office.
July 10th, 2007 at 4:24 pmVERITAS-3? OR 1?
July 10th, 2007 at 4:26 pmIn less time than we’ve been at war in Iraq, FDR had defeated Japan, fascist Italy, and the Nazis. Bush can’t even defeat a third-world nation half the size of Texas. What a useless piece of shit.
July 10th, 2007 at 4:26 pmI say we give old Leahy and Conyers the boot!
They waste time and money with their partisan witch hunts!
July 10th, 2007 at 4:26 pmBecause I say 11 weeks and Bush/Cheney will be out of office.
Comment by shane — July 10, 2007 @ 4:24 pm
From your mouth to God’s ears.
July 10th, 2007 at 4:26 pmComment by Arthur C. — July 10, 2007 @ 4:26 pm
Actually, we have already won Iraq.
July 10th, 2007 at 4:26 pmActually, we have already won Iraq.
Then bring the soldiers home, doughbrain.
July 10th, 2007 at 4:29 pmComment by Arthur C. — July 10, 2007 @ 4:29 pm
Why?
July 10th, 2007 at 4:29 pmLet me get this straight, the Muslims are basically the Nazis?
July 10th, 2007 at 4:30 pmHey, Mr. President didn’t say anything about sharing.
July 10th, 2007 at 4:31 pmStop feeding the trolls.
July 10th, 2007 at 4:31 pmActually, we have already won Iraq.
Comment by Mr. President
And now we intend to keep it?
July 10th, 2007 at 4:31 pmLet me get this straight, the Muslims are basically the Nazis?
Comment by werenotgonnatakeit
We can go back further to the Crusades where they were the Muslims….
July 10th, 2007 at 4:32 pmLet me get this straight, the Muslims are basically the Nazis?
Comment by werenotgonnatakeit — July 10, 2007 @ 4:30 pm
Not unless they are all part of “The Nation of Islam”
July 10th, 2007 at 4:33 pmThings just keep better and better. we’ve turned the corner, light at the end of the tunnel…
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070710/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_mortar_attack;_ylt=Aizl7.YW934gEYgl3fT2TUgEtbAF
http://news.yahoo.com/s/csm/oturncoats;_ylt=AnBOe1oy5ge_VU6ZpmtyZRphr7sF
July 10th, 2007 at 4:33 pm#74: We are all trolls around here…
July 10th, 2007 at 4:33 pmU.S. troops have done a remarkable job in Iraq. Bomb-strappers are intent on undoing their efforts, portraying them as the enemy and primary cause of evil.
And the left totally buys it.
July 10th, 2007 at 4:33 pmAnd now we intend to keep it?
Comment by dlet — July 10, 2007 @ 4:31 pm
Now, we are helping the Iraqis to rebuild their country and economic infrastructure, while at the same time our brave troops are doing their best to keep the peace.
July 10th, 2007 at 4:35 pmEvil? What is this Dungeons and Dragons?
July 10th, 2007 at 4:37 pmWelcome to the 21st Century, rednecks. No more magic, witches or curses.
U.S. troops have done a remarkable job in Iraq…
That’s why rightwingers can’t win a war: they don’t have what it takes. Regular contact with reality. They live in fantasyland.
July 10th, 2007 at 4:37 pmNow, we are helping the Iraqis to rebuild their country and economic infrastructure, while at the same time our brave troops are doing their best to keep the peace.
Comment by Mr. President — July 10, 2007 @ 4:35 pm
And, of course, they must be converted from Islam or die, right?
July 10th, 2007 at 4:37 pmNo more magic, witches or curses.
July 10th, 2007 at 4:37 pmNope, but we’ve got nukes.
Bush: “I said I was against nation-building. I still am.”
“Nation-destoying, that’s my specialty.”
July 10th, 2007 at 4:38 pmThat’s why rightwingers can’t win a war: they don’t have what it takes. Regular contact with reality. They live in fantasyland.
Comment by Arthur C
Childish “you hate the troops/America/freedom” accusation hurled at you in 3, 2, 1…
July 10th, 2007 at 4:38 pmTPers continue your shopping at the mall.
Comment by werenotgonnatakeit
July 10th, 2007 at 4:39 pm———————————————–
Lots of good deals on Che Guevara items…
And, of course, they must be converted from Islam or die, right?
Comment by Egreggious — July 10, 2007 @ 4:37 pm
No. Unless they feel the need to Jihad.
July 10th, 2007 at 4:39 pm#81,
July 10th, 2007 at 4:40 pmDon’t forget to press the rewind button before you play that line of bull again. The thing is the troops did do their job. They won, found Saddam and are doing their duty. Who can blame the sword for slashing someone down? It’s the maniac that decided to take it out of it’s scabbard that deserves to have this whole mess hung around his neck for the rest of his life.
In less time than we’ve been at war in Iraq, FDR had defeated Japan, fascist Italy, and the Nazis. Bush can’t even defeat a third-world nation half the size of Texas. What a useless piece of shit.
Comment by Arthur C.
What? – No answer from the trolls? Just talk about their illegal drug use?
July 10th, 2007 at 4:41 pmI miss Zooey.
Did we overdo it, brothers? What is TP without Zooey, after all?
July 10th, 2007 at 4:41 pmThey won, found Saddam and are doing their duty…
Comment by dlet — July 10, 2007 @ 4:40 pm
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This part I agree with.
But as for the rest of your comment, that is not possible since we already hung Saddam.
July 10th, 2007 at 4:42 pmHow do you figure that?
And, why are you overconfident?
Comment by CT_V1
Overconfident? Like Bring Em On overconfident? Like WMD overconfident? Like Mission Accomplished overconfident?
You people are a joke.
July 10th, 2007 at 4:42 pmHey, Didn’t Bush tell us to go shopping in the days after 9/11?
Didn’t they even show him in some mall?
July 10th, 2007 at 4:43 pmComment by trueblue — July 10, 2007 @ 4:41 pm
dlet and I already said that we have won in Iraq.
The post you refer to is meaningless.
July 10th, 2007 at 4:43 pmI won’t in the future, Flaco, thanks!
July 10th, 2007 at 4:44 pmLike Mission Accomplished overconfident?
Like “We-don’t-need-stinkin’-post-invasion-plan” overconfident?
July 10th, 2007 at 4:44 pmI don’t fear taking on you trolls because you don’t bring sh!t to the table. NOTHING! Everything you have claimed the last 6 years has blown up in your face. Vice-President Bush is a joke. Your war is a complete disaster.
There is not a goddamn thing to fear from you and you know it.
July 10th, 2007 at 4:45 pmHey, Didn’t Bush tell us to go shopping in the days after 9/11?
Didn’t they even show him in some mall?
Comment by trueblue
July 10th, 2007 at 4:45 pm——————————————
Yes he did so you wouldn’t be scared.
Actually, we have already won Iraq.
Comment by Mr. President — July 10, 2007 @ 4:26 pm
Good. Then we can bring our boys home. Leave Blackwater and Halliburton to do the mopping up, right?
July 10th, 2007 at 4:46 pmThat is why they keep saying “All the troops are not there yet” If you keep saying that then the 6 month clock cannot start.
July 10th, 2007 at 4:46 pmGood. Then we can bring our boys home. Leave Blackwater and Halliburton to do the mopping up, right?
Comment by spit take — July 10, 2007 @ 4:46 pm
Sure. But they will need supervision and instruction.
July 10th, 2007 at 4:47 pmGood. Then we can bring our boys home. Leave Blackwater and Halliburton to do the mopping up, right?
Comment by spit take — July 10, 2007 @ 4:46 pm
Sure. But they will need supervision and instruction.
Comment by Mr. President — July 10, 2007 @ 4:47 pm
Fine. That doesn’t seem like it should take 145,000 troops, does it, Mr. Pee?
July 10th, 2007 at 4:49 pmBut they will need supervision and instruction.
Comment by Mr. President — July 10, 2007 @ 4:47 pm
Pot calling kettle black.
July 10th, 2007 at 4:50 pmYes he did so you wouldn’t be scared.
Comment by Flaco —
I was never so small minded to be afraid to continue with my like.
Since BUSH DID IT TOO, why don’t you STFU about shopping?
The post you refer to is meaningless.
Comment by Mr. President
Then why are we there, nimrod?
No Nation Building, remember. And we’ve been told by the Iraqis to go home.
Why do we need a surge if the war is over?
Sorry, but you are as dumb as a stump.
July 10th, 2007 at 4:51 pmFine. That doesn’t seem like it should take 145,000 troops, does it, Mr. Pee?
Comment by spit take — July 10, 2007 @ 4:49 pm
No.
July 10th, 2007 at 4:51 pmdlet and I already said that we have won in Iraq.
The post you refer to is meaningless.
Comment by Mr. President
Well there is a slight but meaningful difference. When I say won…I mean they defeated an army they were asked to defeat and I take it so do you. Where I think we would differ is that you think that by occupying a country that doesn’t want you there and sit in the middle of a civil war and get shot at from everyside is idiotic. You have a notion that there is a “win’ out there for the US just around another 6 month corner.
July 10th, 2007 at 4:51 pmComment by werenotgonnatakeit
Mistakes can occur, that’s war for ya. The intent through it all is noble.
I would spend my time castigating those bomb-strappers. They are causing 95% of the wrongful death and destruction, not a “bring it on” or “mission accomplished” calling.
July 10th, 2007 at 4:53 pmComment by Egreggious — July 10, 2007 @ 4:50 pm
That phrase doesn’t make sense in this context.
Unless you feel that I am somehow being a hypocrite by saying that Blackwater and Halliburton need supervision and instruction.
July 10th, 2007 at 4:54 pmI miss Zooey.
Did we overdo it, brothers? What is TP without Zooey, after all?
Comment by Repentant troll
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Let her (drunk) sleep it off…
Comment by Flaco
If I were you, I’d be more concerned about your TP compatriots bragging about illegal substance abuse.
July 10th, 2007 at 4:54 pmOK time’s up. You had your chance.
Ya know, someday we’ll all look back on this and…….cry.
Comment by SGT Higgins — July 10, 2007 @ 3:59 pm
Someday….?
July 10th, 2007 at 4:54 pmI was never so small minded to be afraid to continue with my like.
Since BUSH DID IT TOO, why don’t you STFU about shopping?
Bush did it too ™!
Bush did it too ™!
Bush did it too ™!
July 10th, 2007 at 4:55 pmYou have a notion that there is a “win’ out there for the US just around another 6 month corner.
Comment by dlet — July 10, 2007 @ 4:51 pm
No…
I’ve already said:
July 10th, 2007 at 4:55 pm
You know what they will say, don’t you?
“I don’t believe in artificial timetables. Give it another 6 months.”
July 10th, 2007 at 4:56 pmwrongful death and destruction
Comment by CT_V1 — July 10, 2007 @ 4:53 pm
Don’t get CT wrong. He has nothing against death and destruction. Just “wrongful” death and destruction.
July 10th, 2007 at 4:56 pmZooey! Glad to see you! I’m so glad you haven’t left this site because of silly trolls like us.
Oh well, it’s time for me to log off.
July 10th, 2007 at 4:57 pmBush did it too â„¢!
Comment by CT_V1 — July 10, 2007 @ 4:55 pm
Do you have something to contribute to the thread?
If not, take your little trollie friends to the ThinkFast thread.
July 10th, 2007 at 4:58 pmIt’s all yours.
Comment by trueblue — July 10, 2007 @ 4:51 pm
Not “Nation Building,” but rather “Civil/Societal and Economic Rebuilding”
July 10th, 2007 at 4:58 pmDon’t get CT wrong. He has nothing against death and destruction. Just “wrongful†death and destruction.
Comment by Egreggious — July 10, 2007 @ 4:56 pm
Exactly!
July 10th, 2007 at 4:59 pmdo you want to discuss Islamic agression against the west?
Do you want to discuss how Bush’s war increased terrorism rather than reducing it?
July 10th, 2007 at 4:59 pmActually, we have already won Iraq.
Comment by Mr. President — July 10, 2007 @ 4:26 pm
Good. Then we can bring our boys home. Leave Blackwater and Halliburton to do the mopping up, right?
Comment by spit take — July 10, 2007 @ 4:46 pm
Sure. But they will need supervision and instruction.
Comment by Mr. President — July 10, 2007 @ 4:47 pm
Fine. That doesn’t seem like it should take 145,000 troops, does it, Mr. Pee?
Comment by spit take — July 10, 2007 @ 4:49 pm
No.
Comment by Mr. President — July 10, 2007 @ 4:51 pm
It’s official! Mr. Pee supports a troop withdrawal!
Heck, at this rate we’ll have him supporting universal health care by six o’clock.
July 10th, 2007 at 4:59 pmSomeday….?
Comment by Zooey
Did I say SOMEday? I meant YESTERday.
July 10th, 2007 at 4:59 pmdayum… what a mess…
July 10th, 2007 at 5:00 pmthe troolls are feeding themselves…
…
Comment by spit take — July 10, 2007 @ 4:59 pm
I support a troop reduction.
July 10th, 2007 at 5:01 pmI tried talking to a stump once just to see what it was like….Mr. P is even more dense than Ole’ Oakey.
July 10th, 2007 at 5:01 pm“wrongful†death and destruction.
Comment by Egreggious
I meant the type of death and destruction that isn’t effectively killing the enemy and securing the area. The bomb-strapping idiots are the blockage to the intents of our forces. They are insurgents.
Don’t get Muslim bomb-strappers wrong. They have everything against peace and tranquility. They are for ALL for death and destruction.
Why do you waste your time rallying against our forces? They’re surely not the problem.
July 10th, 2007 at 5:03 pmSo, the “surge” will be complete at the end of the year, right?
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/052207A.shtml
Monday 21 May 2007: US quietly doubling combat troop numbers.
This “second surge” of troops in Iraq, which is being executed by extending tours for brigades already there and by deploying more units, could boost the number of combat troops to as many as 98,000 by the end of this year. When support troops are included, the total number of U.S. troops in Iraq could increase from 162,000 now to more than 200,000 – the most ever – by the end of the year.
So we get a report in September, then wait till December, then give it another Friedman unit to work out?
Meanwhile, we can bomb Iran, try to get the Turks back to their homebases, admire Syria and Israel punching each other in the face, and lose about 50% of the surge personnel to an Iranian counterattack.
Busy program, I will stock up on beer & chips and get a new TV.
July 10th, 2007 at 5:04 pmNot “Nation Building,†but rather “Civil/Societal and Economic Rebuildingâ€
Comment by Mr. President
Their society has been doing fine for thousands of years before we screwed everything up. I think they can do it themselves. They are not 6 year-olds.
Your arguements are so pathetically paper-thin weak, it’s really not even worth the band width to continue feeding you.
July 10th, 2007 at 5:05 pmThis is really rude. To force the government officials and the pundits to read their statements made six months ago and to hold them responsible for the same is the height of incivility that does not belong in a polite democratic society.
Listen to what they are saying now. They are so sincere. Why bother about their past?
July 10th, 2007 at 5:06 pmMr. P is even more dense than Ole’ Oakey.
Comment by dlet
yeah, good ol’ Oakey. He could’ve outwitted mr. P too. With one branch tied behind his trunk.
July 10th, 2007 at 5:06 pmDid I say SOMEday? I meant YESTERday.
Comment by SGT Higgins
Heh. I know what you meant.
This war makes me sick, and I can’t stand the thought of more of our troops dying everyday, and more innocent Iraqis than ever are dying.
These bloodthirsty trolls make me sick as well.
July 10th, 2007 at 5:07 pmComment by trueblue — July 10, 2007 @ 5:05 pm
Their society failed. We are there to help.
July 10th, 2007 at 5:07 pmWhy do you waste your time rallying against our forces? They’re surely not the problem.
Comment by CT_V1 — July 10, 2007 @ 5:03 pm
Your running mate agreed with my comment. He should stop rallying against our forces a well.
July 10th, 2007 at 5:09 pmComment by Zooey
Does it annoy you? In a truthy way?
Have anything to contribute besides redundant and weak lines of questioning? (ex., Do you have something to contribute to the thread? x434)
We’re fine right here. Thank you, “boss.”
July 10th, 2007 at 5:09 pmHa ha! The joke’s on you. The escalation folks had their fingers crossed.
July 10th, 2007 at 5:09 pmThis war makes me sick, and I can’t stand the thought of more of our troops dying everyday, and more innocent Iraqis than ever are dying.
These bloodthirsty trolls make me sick as well.
Comment by Zooey
I know how you feel. But the catch-22 of the Military is that we don’t just sign up to protect and defend the Constitution of the US, we also (and at times, regrettably) swear to obey the orders of the officers appointed over us. I’ve seen some really bad leadership at all levels…. but I still have a duty and an obligation to support their decisions.
July 10th, 2007 at 5:12 pmEvery time you trolls characterize someone who is anti-war or disagrees with you as “Pro-Muslim” or Anti-American further guarantees your inevitable collapse into political irrelevance and ostracization.
75% of this country now is sick of you and your stupid war. Eat it.
July 10th, 2007 at 5:12 pmComment by Mr. President
I mean, if their country wasn’t in need of help, why are its citizens blowing up innocent women and children CONSTANTLY? U.S. forces aren’t backing them into a wall.
July 10th, 2007 at 5:12 pmZooey,
They seem to think the US is the “Hall Monitor” of the world, so it’s perfectly OK with them that we invade a sovereign nation.
July 10th, 2007 at 5:13 pmDopes.
They didn’t ask for our help.
Comment by Zooey — July 10, 2007 @ 5:09 pm
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Kuwait did.
So we helped.
That pissed off Osama.
So he organized 911.
That pissed us off.
Saddam started to act like a crazy jackass again.
We were still pissed b/c 911.
We didn’t feel like dealing with Saddam’s shit, so we killed him.
Now, we owe it to the Iraqis to help rebuild their economic infrastructure!
July 10th, 2007 at 5:14 pmYes, CT blowing up innocent women and children is morally wrong. Good thing we don’t do that.
July 10th, 2007 at 5:14 pmTheir society failed. We are there to help.
Comment by Mr. President
Their society is a lot worse off now than it was before we showed up.
July 10th, 2007 at 5:14 pmHeh. I know what you meant.
This war makes me sick, and I can’t stand the thought of more of our troops dying everyday, and more innocent Iraqis than ever are dying.
These bloodthirsty trolls make me sick as well.
Comment by Zooey
July 10th, 2007 at 5:14 pm—————————————————–
Remember back when you were shopping at the mall and 800,000 Rwandan died in 100 days.
Of course you got that great deal on the panty hose.
Their society is a lot worse off now than it was before we showed up.
Comment by SGT Higgins — July 10, 2007 @ 5:14 pm
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That’s why we have to help!
July 10th, 2007 at 5:16 pmSaddam started to act like a crazy jackass again.
We were still pissed b/c 911.
We didn’t feel like dealing with Saddam’s shit, so we killed him.
Comment by Mr. President
Oh man! That’s the sort of foreign policy you like?
July 10th, 2007 at 5:17 pmThey didn’t ask for our help.
Comment by Zooey — July 10, 2007 @ 5:09 pm
That’s probably because they feared retaliation from the Saddam regime. Sometimes, victims of crime and oppression are too afraid to ask for help. Therefore, we took notice that they needed it. They are more grateful than what the hollow polls suggest.
July 10th, 2007 at 5:17 pmThese gnat-brained trolls will never understand that we created the mess, we also created far more terrorists than there ever were before our “cowboy diplomacy”, and that GWB is an utter failure and dirtbag.
I’m going back to my ignore ‘em mode, and try to get back on track with this (surprise!) failed policy.
July 10th, 2007 at 5:19 pmSometimes, victims of crime and oppression are too afraid to ask for help.
We hear you, CT! You’ve let the rightwingers lie, steal, and oppress you for too long. We’re here! Move toward the light, dumbass!
July 10th, 2007 at 5:20 pmThat’s why we have to help!
Comment by Mr. President
You break it, you buy it?
July 10th, 2007 at 5:20 pmKuwait asked for our help but before that we helped Saddam against our enemy, Iran, but before that Iran was our friend because we helped them install a friendly government but then they got pissed at us and did something about it. Don’t forget Afghanistan was our friend a while back against teh godless Communists who are our friends now and we had to blow up Afghanistan but now they might be our friends again……man this is really tiring and its only four countries in a small region of the globe. Wait until the discussion on Central America…..
July 10th, 2007 at 5:20 pmWhy does anyone even believe anything these three say anymore. Bill O’Rielly said that if they didn’t find WMD’s in Iraq he wouldn’t support Bush anymore. Krauthammer called Gore “unamerican,” “unhinged”, “crazy” and a “liar” after Gore made a speech saying the invasion of Iraq was a huge mistake. And Rice? She testified before congress that she didn’t read all of a 90 page report on Iraq’s weapons capability before the invasion while she was working as National Security Advisor. So, in that regard, she was either a liar or the most incompetent NSA in history.
July 10th, 2007 at 5:22 pmWife called, she’s not feeling well.
Have a good night Zooey =)
July 10th, 2007 at 5:22 pmNow, we owe it to the Iraqis to help rebuild their economic infrastructure!
Comment by Mr. President
WE? Have you signed up to go help rebuild Iraq?
Give it a rest.
July 10th, 2007 at 5:22 pm“It’s the maniac that decided to take it out of it’s scabbard that deserves to have this whole mess hung around his neck for the rest of his life.
Comment by dlet ”
Bush will, mark my words. He will always be known as the idiot warmonger who couldn’t get it right. No Osama, no victory in Iraq, no win in the war on terror, nothing. He’s a lifelong loser, respected only by other lifelong losers, and the only positive thing he has going for him among most Americans is that he has destroyed the republican party. For that we thank him; for all the rest, we damn him to eternal hell.
July 10th, 2007 at 5:23 pmI can hear it now: “You people are splitting hairs here. We never said 6 months. I don’t think–I didn’t–I don’t recall the president or his staff ever saying 6 months and that’s it. Its much more complicated than that…”
There is no justice in the world.
July 10th, 2007 at 5:23 pm559 days.
Remember back when you were shopping at the mall and 800,000 Rwandan died in 100 days.
Of course you got that great deal on the panty hose.
Comment by Flaco
I suppose you were over there fending off those killers in Rwanda with your bare hands, right assh*le?
July 10th, 2007 at 5:24 pmIn fact, Osama won. Bush pulled all the troops out of Saudi Arabia, then held hands with their leading criminal. Bush should hang for that.
July 10th, 2007 at 5:26 pmI know how you feel. But the catch-22 of the Military is that we don’t just sign up to protect and defend the Constitution of the US, we also (and at times, regrettably) swear to obey the orders of the officers appointed over us. I’ve seen some really bad leadership at all levels…. but I still have a duty and an obligation to support their decisions.
Comment by SGT Higgins
I understand that perfectly, Sarge. I grew up in a military family, and heard horror stories about the incompetent nitwits in charge of sailor’s lives. You’re in a tough spot, but I appreciate what candor you are able to share.
Take care of your wife. I hope she feels better soon. :)
July 10th, 2007 at 5:27 pmRumsfeld said in March 2003 that the war “might last six days, might last six weeks, certainly not six months”!
We were told the insurgency was in its last throes.
We were told it was just a few dead-enders.
We were told it was just one guy stealing a vase being shown over and over again.
We were told the war would cost $1.7 billion.
We were told the war would virtually pay for itself from the Iraqi oil revenues.
July 10th, 2007 at 5:27 pmCT-V1, it’s over. America has lost, and it’s only right, since this was an illegal, immoral, unnecessary invasion of a country that held no threat to the USA. I’m glad we’ve lost; bullies need to be cut to size, and we won’t regain our stature in the world until we’ve withdrawn and stopped murdering families and torturing innocents. You may well be proud to back torture and mass murder, but that’s because as a repuke you have no conscience, and no humanity. Your kind is a good thousand years behind on the evolutionary scale, making humanity and America look bad. Thanks for nothing, you coward.
July 10th, 2007 at 5:30 pmI suppose you were over there fending off those killers in Rwanda with your bare hands, right assh*le?
Comment by Zooey
I know that Mr. Clinton wasn’t doing his job to prevent it.
Where’s the blame for him?
July 10th, 2007 at 5:30 pmIraq and the Bush Gang have failed. Continuing to beat this dead horse is just a waste of time. Since Bush and Chaney (the real ruling power) will never pull troops out of Iraq, the next stop is Congress.
If we had a responsible Media the question would be asked of Republican politicians “Should we stay in Iraq?”. Don’t bother asking the Republican Presidential candidates because none of them are going to win anyway. What is important is to move enough of the Republicans in Congress so we can actually get out of this stupid war.
If the Media starts asking these kinds of questions and not letting the Republicans come back with non-answers, I firmly believe we can end this nightmare.
The current circumstances have given the Press the chance to save American and Iraq lives. Will they do it?
July 10th, 2007 at 5:30 pmDing Dong! Times up Trolls! It’s over!
July 10th, 2007 at 5:31 pmClinton! Clinton! Clinton! WAAAAAHHHA
July 10th, 2007 at 5:32 pmSeventeen months ago, 72% of US troops said ALL US troops should be out of Iraq in twelve months. 85% of them had the false belief that the war was retaliation for Iraq’s role in 9/11.
July 10th, 2007 at 5:32 pmI know that Mr. Clinton wasn’t doing his job to prevent it.
Where’s the blame for him?
Comment by CT_V1
of course you’re ignorant of the fact that a Repig congress would have nothing to do with defending black people. Too late to blame Clinton for your party’s immorality and cowardice.
July 10th, 2007 at 5:32 pmThat’s probably because they feared retaliation from the Saddam regime. Sometimes, victims of crime and oppression are too afraid to ask for help. Therefore, we took notice that they needed it. They are more grateful than what the hollow polls suggest.
Comment by CT_V1 — July 10, 2007 @ 5:17 pm
Really, CT? You know this, how? Uh huh — you don’t know. You’re talking straight out of your ass.
They weren’t dying fast enough under Saddam’s tyranny, so they were secretly hoping we would notice their lack of swift dying, and invade them so they could get on with it.
Right! That makes perfect sense!!
Even WE couldn’t kill them fast enough, so now they’re blowing each other up.
Wow. You’re good, CT. Got anymore cool palm readings?
Oh yeah, we didn’t f*cking go over there to help anyone, except ourselves to their oil.
Get a f*cking clue.
July 10th, 2007 at 5:33 pmI know that Mr. Clinton wasn’t doing his job to prevent it.
Where’s the blame for him?
Comment by CT_V1 — July 10, 2007 @ 5:30 pm
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Clinton allowed the genocide because there was nothing in it for him, same with Somalia.
July 10th, 2007 at 5:33 pmThe fact is he has well more than the 20,000 called for during the “surge” In total he has 150,000 american soldiers responsive to its government and 180,000 contractors/mercenaries responsive to Halliburton and Blackwater. Considering the lack of political asylum we have given Iraqi translators, less than 50 have been given visas to the U.S, no wonder we can not create a standing Iraqi army who face having themselves and their families killed for working with the U.S. Now the new requirement for a refugee to obtain a visa is to work in the Iraqi army for 1 year and get a recommendation from a General all the while hoping a insurgent does not kill you or your family. Would an Iraqi choose that option or option B go to Jordan or Syria the only countries you can travel to without a visa and send your kids to the Al Queda school down the street the offers free lunch. There is no military solution to this occupation or the war on terror.
July 10th, 2007 at 5:34 pmComment by ronjazz — July 10, 2007 @ 5:32 pm
Mr. Clinton was the Commander-in-Chief.
July 10th, 2007 at 5:35 pmI know that Mr. Clinton wasn’t doing his job to prevent it.
Where’s the blame for him?
Comment by CT_V1 — July 10, 2007 @ 5:30 pm
Flaco was accusing ME of not doing anything about Rwanda, CT.
We were just waiting for YOU to through in your obligatory lame-assed “Clinton did it too” retort.
July 10th, 2007 at 5:35 pmAccording to Mr Pee, 70% of the American people are surrender primates. Including Hagel, Domenici, Voinovich, Lugar, Alexander, Snowe, Sununu, and many generals.
July 10th, 2007 at 5:37 pmHey Zooey,
You are taking an undeserved amount of flak from Flaccid. Tell him the Rwandans are not sitting on our oil.
July 10th, 2007 at 5:39 pm“Mr. Clinton was the Commander-in-Chief.
Comment by CT_V1″
so what? the do-nothing Repig congress would have voted to defund any action he could have taken. Republicans hate patriotism unless it lines their pockets; this has been true for 100 years or more. Commander-In-Chief is not king, even though Bushie would like to think so. But keep defending a coke-addled, dry-drunk deserter who stole two elections, it sure makes you look smart.
July 10th, 2007 at 5:40 pmIn-F*cking- Credible -
Bush is now trying to say we’re Just Beginning.
July 10th, 2007 at 5:41 pmHey Flaccid, Mr. Pee, and C__T,
Why were bin Laden and his men given an easy exit to Pakistan and left alone there for nearly five years? Pakistan is a dictatorship with nuclear weapons who strongly supports al Qaeda. ISI wired money to the 9/11 hijackers. Khan sold nuclear technology to North Korea.
July 10th, 2007 at 5:43 pmIn 2000 debate against Gore, Bush said Clinton had our military overextended and should bring them home. I still have the tape. Every Republican squealed when Clinton sent troops to Haiti and Bosnia.
July 10th, 2007 at 5:46 pm70% of Americans want us to leave Iraq. If Bush pulls back the troops, his approval rating will go to 70%.
July 10th, 2007 at 5:46 pmCTV1: “Again, ours is an absolutely noble intent.”
Sure. Because god is on our side, right?
July 10th, 2007 at 5:50 pmIt is a characteristic of this political culture, that in a sense, it’s always dealing with yesterday’s issues. Because Democrats are mad about going into the war, four years into it, they now want to sit around essentially having a debate about the best way to help the President lose the war. And that’s not a grown up thing to do. Once you’re in it, whatever reason you wound up getting into it for, once you’re in it, win it, because the fact of allowing the war to be lost is revealing not about Iraq, but about America. In other words, the Iraqis will cope with America pulling out, you know, in their own way. But the rest of the world will draw its own conclusions about American will and American power.
July 10th, 2007 at 5:51 pmnoble intent is bulls**t of the most transparent kind. there is no nobility in invading a sovereign nation on a basis of lies and profits. we have killed or caused to be killed many thousands if Iraqi citizens, and unleashed the sectarian impulses that had been under control for decades. CT, you’re nothing but a sick, sociopathic, self-deluded freak. you have never even paused to consider what would have happened had we not invaded. basically, nothing, except Bushco woiuld have no war to whip up the prejudices and fears of cowardly morons like you. And he would have lost the second election by a larger margin than he could have stolen.
July 10th, 2007 at 5:53 pmWhen Clinton tried to kill bin Laden with cruise missles, Republicans claimed that he was just trying to “change the subject” from Monica. When he bombed a chemical/pharmeceutical plant the CIA thought was working for al Qaeda, Republicans accused him of “changing the subject.”
Sorry, the blame Clinton routine is beyond tired; it’s obscene.
July 10th, 2007 at 5:54 pmDid any other President lose two wars? I was just wondering.
Question: Why can’t right-wingers win wars?
Answer: because they live in Fantasyland. They think their president is Jack Bauer.
July 10th, 2007 at 5:54 pmIn less time than we’ve been at war in Iraq, FDR had defeated Japan, fascist Italy, and the Nazis. Bush can’t even defeat a third-world nation half the size of Texas. What a useless piece of shit.
Comment by Arthur C. — July 10, 2007
Co mfing sign
I could not have said that any better.This guy just can’t win the war for shit.I think it’s all about money he really don’t want to win.How is what there doing legal I mean cheney was in charge of the company that makes more money off this war than any company in Iraq the dems need to stop pussy footing around and bring these boys in for a little talk(that’s all they do anyway)
July 10th, 2007 at 5:55 pmComment by ronjazz
The President stole no election. You simply don’t know how to take a loss.
July 10th, 2007 at 5:56 pm#180: Did GWB lose any wars? I see two victorious wars, one successful occupation and one on-going occupation. Pretty good track-record, eh?
July 10th, 2007 at 5:56 pm“But the rest of the world will draw its own conclusions about American will and American power.
Comment by Unvarnished Truth”
yes, they already have. America’s will isn’t to be trusted to oilmen, and American power is a sham and a joke when under incompetent leadership. Withdrawing and taking care of Iraq in a humane way would show the world the America they came to believe in before Reagan and the Bushes turned the USA into their personal cash cow. Staying and committing more mass murder and killing more American service members will show the world what a psychopath we have in charge.
July 10th, 2007 at 5:56 pmOK,
Whose posts are disappearing?
It’s gotta be some scummy troll, right?
July 10th, 2007 at 5:57 pmComment by ronjazz
And no, suicide bombers and kidnappers have killed those many thousands of innocent citizens.
July 10th, 2007 at 5:57 pmBut the rest of the world will draw its own conclusions about American will and American power.
In case you hadn’t noticed, Jughead, 99% of the world made up their minf before Bush declared war on Iraq. They decided it was a bad idea, and would open a hornet’s nest in the Middle East. They were right, and that’s what really aticks in your craw. You were wrong; the rest of the world, including millions and millions of Americans, predicted that this fiasco would explode in Bush’s face.
Don’t blame those who advocate for withdrawal for loss of US prestige, you screeching dipstick. It’s the fault of Your Fearless Leader, his willful ignorance, hias reflexive belligerence, his lack of military experience, his mindless disregard for post-invasion planning, and his inept execution of recontruction.
July 10th, 2007 at 5:59 pmComment by CT_V1 — July 10, 2007 @ 5:57 pm
yes, I made that point. they weren’t doing that until we destroyed the system there. you are an idiot. Bush is a loser, and will go down in history as the biggest loser to ever steal a government.
July 10th, 2007 at 5:59 pmAh, that propaganda. Again, ours is an absolutely noble intent.
Comment by CT_V1 — July 10, 2007 @ 5:44 pm
I call bullshit on your entire comment, CT.
Next time I’ll remember to add the “sarcasm off.”
Noble intent — what the hell is that? Even hacker bob and Sgt Higgins don’t agree with you, and they are currently serving in the military.
You are wrong.
July 10th, 2007 at 6:01 pmPretty good track-record, eh?
Comment by Future troll
No, all generals say we cannot continue like this for much longer because our military is being destroyed. The sixteen intelligence agencies of the US say that what we are doing is increasing terrorism by opening up Iraq to the fundamentalists. Saddam was doing a good job of keeping them out.
The true total cost of the war is $2.3 Trillion. We are not paying for it. It is just piled on the debt.
July 10th, 2007 at 6:04 pmAgain, ours is an absolutely noble intent
Everybody in the world wishes they were judged by their intentions; but everybody is judged on the consequences of their actions. There’s a hell of a difference.
When you learn that, you’ll be an adult, ya snotnosed brat.
July 10th, 2007 at 6:05 pmNazi Germany thought they had an absolutely noble intent.
July 10th, 2007 at 6:08 pmOsama bin Laden thinks he has an absolutely noble intent.
July 10th, 2007 at 6:09 pmBut Wolfowitz showed such a great financial wizardry in estimating the cost of war that he was appointed the President of a Bank!
July 10th, 2007 at 6:12 pmNazi Germany thought they had an absolutely noble intent.
Comment by Keith G
They were very confident in their belief in that noble intent, just like CT.
“If a man will begin with certainties, he shall end in doubts: but if he will be content to begin with doubts, he shall end in certainties.â€
July 10th, 2007 at 6:13 pm– Francis Bacon, Sr.
Keith & Arthur,
Did you guys get my sarcasm in #163?
July 10th, 2007 at 6:14 pmYes Zooey, to a normal person it sounds like sarcasm. But to CT it evidently does not.
When a person says “Right!” after a statement, it means you disagree with it.
Cons have the twisted notion that war critics enjoy the numbers killed.
July 10th, 2007 at 6:20 pmClinton thought he had an absolutely noble intent too, when he let the Rwandan genocide occur.
July 10th, 2007 at 6:26 pmThe troll chided us for not being grownups and then offered this nugget: “once you’re in it, win it”
Yikes! Go back to your Saturday morning cartoons, troll.
July 10th, 2007 at 6:27 pmAt least Clinton has been man enough to admit that he made a huge mistake with Rwanda.
July 10th, 2007 at 6:28 pmDidn’t Stalin also had a noble intent?
I believe so did Pol Pot.
At least that is what they claimed.
July 10th, 2007 at 6:31 pmGallup Poll out today:
62% say it was a mistake to invade Iraq
22% say Surge has made things better
71% (including 42% of Reublicans) say Remove all troops by April 1, 2008; 26% say NO
So that’s nearly 3 to 1 saying remove all troops by April 1, 2008.
Bunch of retarded surrender monkeys (sarcasm).
July 10th, 2007 at 6:34 pmRE #200 comment by Mr. Pee,
No Republicans advocated sending US troops to Rwanda at the time. It is just a retrospective criticism of Clinton.
I do remember very strong criticism of Clinton sending troops to Haiti and Bosnia (resulting in 0 deaths), and Bush in 2000 debate saying Clinton had our military overextended and should bring troops home.
250,000 died in ex-Yugoslavia under GHWB’s inaction before Clinton sent in military.
July 10th, 2007 at 6:40 pmre #204,
Hey Mr. President, aren’t you going to call the 71%: “retarded surrender Islamo-Stalinist monkeys”?
July 10th, 2007 at 6:43 pmWhat will it take to impeach these arrogant powermongers?… they will NEVER co-operate. Action….. been too many words.
July 10th, 2007 at 6:44 pmThe more the trolls talk about the catastrophic consequences of withdrawing from Iraq, the more this invasion echoes Vietnam:
Bush, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and other senior officials have warned that defeat in Iraq would have a catastrophic effect on U.S. credibility. Wittingly or not, they are echoing the assumption of LBJ’s “best and brightest” and Nixon’s national security team that a quick exit from Vietnam would undermine the United States’ standing abroad — turning a superpower, as Nixon put it, into “a pitiful, helpless giant.” In fact, withdrawal did no such thing.
Iraq Isn’t Like Vietnam — Except When It Is
Any attempts by this (mis)administration and its minions to liken this conflict to WWII and/or Bush to Truman are laughable. The occupation of Iraq is more like Vietnam, and Pres Bush is more like Nixon in so many ways it’s not even funny.
July 10th, 2007 at 6:45 pmCons have the twisted notion that war critics enjoy the numbers killed.
Comment by Keith G — July 10, 2007 @ 6:20 pm
Thank you, Keith. I thought my sarcasm was clear, and I’m sure it was clear to CT. He just chose not to see it.
Yes, I’ve noticed how these morons like to trumpet out how we’re “celebrating” the deaths of thousands, even while we’re trying to make it stop.
Their brains are faulty.
July 10th, 2007 at 6:52 pmIt appears that we have made the trolls retreat from this thread for now. :-D
July 10th, 2007 at 6:52 pmbunch of surrender monkeys
July 10th, 2007 at 6:56 pmYou summoned me, my Lady?
July 10th, 2007 at 6:56 pmbunch of surrender monkeys
Comment by Keith G — July 10, 2007 @ 6:56 pm
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I’m glad to see that you are embracing your true self!!!
July 10th, 2007 at 6:57 pmre #204,
Hey Mr. President, aren’t you going to call the 71%: “retarded surrender Islamo-Stalinist monkeys�
Comment by Keith G — July 10, 2007 @ 6:43 pm
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No. Just the Islamo-Stalinists are surrender monkeys.
(see posts from “The Joker” for more info)
July 10th, 2007 at 6:59 pmHey Mr President,
What are you studying to be when you graduate?
July 10th, 2007 at 7:00 pmComment by Keith G — July 10, 2007 @ 6:40 pm
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Well, Clinton was the CinC, he should’ve stepped up instead of focusing on banging broads.
July 10th, 2007 at 7:00 pmMichael Ware on CNN’ Situation Room said “absolutely daydreaming to believe it is possible in next 18 months to reduce power of militias in Iraq or reduce sectarian violence”.
Ware has been on the ground in Iraq for 4 1/2 years. He and Christiane Amanpour are the only ones in mainstream media who are knowledgeable and speak the truth.
July 10th, 2007 at 7:01 pmWhat are you studying to be when you graduate?
Comment by Zooey — July 10, 2007 @ 7:00 pm
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I’ve been accepted into the Accelerated Master program, so by 2009 I will have my BA and MA in Philosophy.
After that I hope to go to the University of Texas at Austin, to study ancient Greek philosophy, I hope to get a PhD there.
Then I will write articles in Ancient Philosophy journals so that other people interested in ancient philosophy can read them and tell me that I am wrong, and vice versa.
July 10th, 2007 at 7:05 pmre: 216 Comment by Mr. President
This is the height of hypocrisy. GHWB was Commander in Chief while 250,000 were killed in ex-Yugoslavia. Do you criticize him? Do you credit Clinton for stopping the killing? Do you remember every single Republican crying “wag the dog—you’re trying to distract us from Monica” when Clinton did stop the killing? No Republican called for sending troops to Rwanda.
You didn’t answer the question if the 71% are retarded Islamo-Stalinist monkeys.
July 10th, 2007 at 7:06 pmJenna can tell you which bars don’t check id’s.
July 10th, 2007 at 7:08 pmYou didn’t answer the question if the 71% are retarded Islamo-Stalinist monkeys.
Comment by Keith G — July 10, 2007 @ 7:06 pm
sure I did.
July 10th, 2007 at 7:10 pmLittle advise: don’t put “retarded surrender Islamo-Stalinist monkey” on your doctorate 200 times.
July 10th, 2007 at 7:10 pmI missed it. what was the answer?
July 10th, 2007 at 7:11 pmre #204,
Hey Mr. President, aren’t you going to call the 71%: “retarded surrender Islamo-Stalinist monkeys�
Comment by Keith G — July 10, 2007 @ 6:43 pm
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No. Just the Islamo-Stalinists are surrender monkeys.
(see posts from “The Joker†for more info)
Comment by Mr. President — July 10, 2007 @ 6:59 pm
July 10th, 2007 at 7:13 pmre: 224
That tells me nothing at all. I hope you do better on your philosophy thesis.
July 10th, 2007 at 7:15 pmThe New York Post called the Baker-Hamilton Iraq Study Group “surrender monkeys” with a picture of those two as monkeys on the entire front page.
71% of Americans agree with the ISG, so it wasn’t a leap for me to assume that you would call the 71% “surrender monkeys”.
July 10th, 2007 at 7:20 pmWhy do they have the picture from Madame Tussaud’s wax museum on the top of this article? You’ve got to admit, it looks remarkably lifelike.
July 10th, 2007 at 7:36 pmYou seem to be suggesting that there is a difference between announcing an objective and implementing it.
What did Clinton sending in the military have to do with anything ? Surely when he announced it was the turning point.
July 10th, 2007 at 7:52 pmFlaccid is like a fly buzzing around my head. Thanks for pointing that out, Keith. :)
Comment by Zooey
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Have another drink Zo then sleep on it.
July 10th, 2007 at 7:57 pmThis TP article looks like some sort of Scientology test to see how well the brainwashing has gone.
Throw out a clearly flawed claim that everyone can recognise as such and see if a single follower displays even the slightest inclination for independent or critical thinking and will question the message.
Looks like a 100% success rate so far.
July 10th, 2007 at 7:59 pmZo TPers Resident drunk
July 10th, 2007 at 8:02 pmCNN says: State Dept cannot get enough diplomats to volunteer for Iraq. Soon some may be ordered to the Green Zone.
July 10th, 2007 at 8:03 pmLink below takes you to the March 2001 map from Cheney’s Energy Task Force (obtained by Judicial Watch) showing Iraq’s oil fields divided into “exploration blocks”.
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/211/466503255_f7bb4d5e85_o.jpg
July 10th, 2007 at 8:08 pmMaybe a bit OT but absolutely related:
From an article in the New York Times reporting on Bush’s speech today:
Critics of the war should give Gen. David H. Petraeus, the American commander in Iraq, “a chance to come back and tell us whether his strategy’s working, and then we can work together on a way forward,â€
July 10th, 2007 at 8:16 pmSounds to me like they are once again setting up the military to be the fall guy. Since when is it “his” (Petraues) strategy? I thought Bush was the decider???
Then I will write articles in Ancient Philosophy journals so that other people interested in ancient philosophy can read them and tell me that I am wrong, and vice versa.
Comment by Mr. President — July 10, 2007 @ 7:05 pm
That’s very interesting, Mr President, because you seem to be an extremely shallow person.
Do you behave in all areas of your life the way you behave here? If so, how do you expect anyone to take you seriously?
July 10th, 2007 at 8:33 pmCNN says: State Dept cannot get enough diplomats to volunteer for Iraq. Soon some may be ordered to the Green Zone.
Comment by Keith G — July 10, 2007 @ 8:03 pm
Oy, diplomats who don’t want to be there — that’ll work.
Not.
July 10th, 2007 at 8:34 pmwow… philosophy, huh… whoddathunkit…
maybe a clue to be found here:
mr.pee – what college are you attending now?
July 10th, 2007 at 8:36 pmThat’s very interesting, Mr President, because you seem to be an extremely shallow person.
Do you behave in all areas of your life the way you behave here? If so, how do you expect anyone to take you seriously?
Comment by Zooey — July 10, 2007 @ 8:33 pm
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Why… I never been so insulted in my life!
How dare you!?
Me?
Shallow?
July 10th, 2007 at 8:45 pmThey didn’t say WHICH six months. They meant June through November, 2025.
July 10th, 2007 at 8:56 pmyou’re that proud of it, eh?
July 10th, 2007 at 8:57 pmjust as i thought…
Why… I never been so insulted in my life!
How dare you!?
Me?
Shallow?
Comment by Mr. President
More insulting that the time I called you a f*ckwit? :D
Yeah, you. Shallow. You don’t seem all that thoughtful, which seems like something valuable for someone who wants to write philosophy articles.
July 10th, 2007 at 9:32 pmKrauthammer was against the surge from the beginning.
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/CharlesKrauthammer/2007/01/19/maliki_doesnt_deserve_a_surge?page=full&trackbacks=true
He just spouts this stuff to keep his gig on Fox.
Are Aile’s 30 pieces of silver really worth it Dr. Krauthammer?
July 10th, 2007 at 9:40 pmZo TPers Resident drunk
Comment by Flaco
Them’s fightin’ words.
I am TP’s resident drunk, and don’t you ever forget it!
July 10th, 2007 at 10:38 pmSix months ago tonight, we were out on the streets protesting Bush’s “surge.” It was bullshit and everybody knew it.
Today, Tony Snow announced we’re at a “new starting line” at the “beginning of the beginning of the surge.”
This is bullshit and everyone knows it.
July 10th, 2007 at 10:45 pmUmmmmm … the Condoleeza quote is saying the exact opposite of what you think it is saying.
July 10th, 2007 at 11:33 pmDamn, look at the photo. I swear the man has chimp eyes.
July 11th, 2007 at 1:25 amThey’ll keep it going with another Friedman here another Friedman there until 01/20/2009.
If a Democrat is elected President in 2008, takes office and begins a withdrawal, the Republicans will claim that the Democrats lost the war. They’ll say that it all would have worked out if the Democrats had stayed for just one more Friedman.
Bush and company have determined their strategy. It’s called dolchstosse.
July 11th, 2007 at 3:06 amThe poorly thought out surge has failed despite the best efforts of our troops. Our troops cannot succeed if the policy is a failure. Bush had 6 months to get it right. He has failed in this. Now he must listen to the American people and set a date to bring our troops home from a civil war we can’t win. This is not our war to fight. The Shiias and Sunnis are fighting and our troops are caught in the middle of it. American people are not prepared to let even one more American soldier die from an IED. We don’t want even one more soldier to come home from a traumatic brain injury. The war has been wrong from the beginning. The Iraq war has nothing to do with 9-11 or al Qaeda. Bush must get the policy right. He must change course and set a date to bring our troops home.
July 11th, 2007 at 3:21 amWhere’s Tom Friedman? He’s been telling us to wait “6 months” for the past 5 years.
July 11th, 2007 at 2:00 pm