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Tony Snow: ‘New Way’ On Iraq = Stay The Course On Escalation»

Today, President Bush is scheduled to deliver a major speech on Iraq policy, offering “his vision for the post-surge.” The New York Times speculated yesterday that the Bush administration would be changing course in Iraq, potentially offering a drawdown of troops in the near future. Tony Snow vigorously denied the report.

Today, the Washington Post reports that the White House is not talking about a real strategy change, but instead, a “political strategy” to “shift [Bush’s] message.”

This morning, White House spokesperson Tony Snow unveiled the new message. Making the rounds on the morning shows, Snow repeatedly claimed Bush was embracing a “new way.”

Some want us to take a new look at the way we’re doing things, which is exactly what’s taking place.

This is not the beginning of the end, it’s the beginning of a new way.

That’s why we’re coming up with a new strategy.

In reality, this “new way” message is simply more of the same old escalation policy. When Fox News asked Snow if Americans could anticipate a new strategy, Snow answered, “No. What we’re really trying to report on is the new way that started about six months ago.” Watch a compilation:

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SNOW: Some want us to take a new look at the way we’re doing things, which is exactly what’s taking place. That’s what the surge is, and we’re now at the very opening stages of it.

[…]

SNOW: In other words, benchmarks are not a device for trying to figure out how to get out of Iraq. They’re a device for figuring out how to succeed in Iraq. And so I think it’s going to set off an important debate.

But this is not the beginning of the end, it’s the beginning of a new way.

[…]

SNOW: But the fact is, this is a picture at the very beginning of a new way forward in Iraq. What you would expect is you’re not going to have the whole thing solved. That’s why we’re coming up with a new strategy.

[…]

DOOCEY: Is the president going to be changing his message?

SNOW: No. And in point of fact, you know, what you find is that, for instance, there’s been some reporting that the White House is going to do a new way. No. What we’re really trying to report on is the new way that started about six months ago.




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285 Responses to “Tony Snow: ‘New Way’ On Iraq = Stay The Course On Escalation”

  1. stopthecons Says:

    yup. stay the course equals more power and more profits for all those in charge - while the people of Iraq and their country are destroyed.

    Should we expect anything different?

    War, by its very nature never produces the results that these politicians promise us. It engenders hatred and only ensures that we’ll see more retaliatory attacks in the US in the future….

    It’s time that this country stop using war as a tool of foreign policy.

    Some further reading:

    “Is War Necessary?”
    http://www.populistamerica.com/is_war_necessary


  2. The Republic of Stupidity Says:

    I’m melting… I’m melting…


  3. enaud Says:

    Today in Cleveland, aWol bushie plans to explain the consequences of failure in Iraq, but failure in Iraq is what we see each day.


  4. Tom Says:

    “Baghdad Bob” SnowJob strikes again!

    How does this a**hole prepare for his on-screen puffery?

    I think he has a three-column random phrase generator and he just picks one word from each column.

    Today, he came up with “beginning of a new way“.

    I am hoping that, one of these days, he will come up with: “today the president resigned“.


  5. Zooey Says:

    Drunken Max Headroom.

    Yikes.


  6. spit take Says:

    the White House is not talking about a real strategy change, but instead, a “political strategy” to “shift [Bush’s] message.”

    Yeah, because THAT’s what’s not working — “the message”. The strategery is working just fine, right?


  7. shecky Says:

    they will NEVER leave their stolen black gold and they will always need US troops to hold on to it


  8. gummitch Says:

    “We’re repackaging the same old sh!t and calling it shiny new sh!t. Look over there! Clinton did it!”


  9. The Captain Says:

    Let’s see the surge through to help out the Iraqi people, but then let’s start drawing down our forces so Bush’s approval can go way up.


  10. Ben B Says:

    Guys, lets give this new political speak soem time to succeed, eh? We’ll won’t begin to see the results of the “beginning of a new way” for another 6 months or so.


  11. dropkick Says:

    Geeez…Tony, you’re making us all dizzy. Please stfu…pleeeeeeeeeease?


  12. Hedley Lamarr Says:

    Everyone needs to urge their Democratic senators and reps to end this effing war before the next election. We don’t want to be poor clowns who clean up after the elephants, do we?


  13. Ben B Says:

    And hey, remember that the old way(s) are still working, so of course we would want to include them in the begining of a new way.


  14. PatrioticLiberalChristian(PLC) Says:

    Notice that guy in the background. I knew that Snow and the rest of BushCo had to have a shovel man following them around anytime they spoke.


  15. Ben Dover Says:

    Yawn.


  16. missmolly Says:

    OMG — this is a Doonesbury strip, isn’t it?


  17. TripMaster Monkey Says:

    So….the “new way” is actually six months old, then?

    This entire administration is an homage to George Orwell.


  18. RUCerious Says:

    Good Dog! These assh@s are calling black white and white black and expecting us to bobble head like drooling sheeple.
    Of course, the trolls will…


  19. kelso Says:

    “That’s why we’re coming up with a new strategy.”

    Bush then chimed in and said that:

    “We’re fixin’ ta do a new strategery called ’stay the plan’ er uh… I mean ’stay the techniquery’ err….uhh… what I meant to say was that we’re gonna ’stay the Iraq’.


  20. RUCerious Says:

    #13, much like the old cartoon show Rocky & Bullwinkle’s fractured fairy tales guy who swept up behind the elephant…


  21. RUCerious Says:

    Somehow I get the feeling that shifting the message involves inserting it rectally instead of aurically.


  22. missmolly Says:

    Ah — but the message HAS changed. According to Snow, we are just beginning with the surge that started six months ago. Six months ago, we were told that’s how long the surge would be.

    Rove keeps telling everybody in that administration not to worry — the average American’s attention span is about the length of a gnat f*rt.


  23. PatrioticLiberalChristian(PLC) Says:

    RUCerious

    You’ve got a warped memory. I like it.


  24. RUCerious Says:

    PLC ~ Watch me pull a rabbit outa my …


  25. TripMaster Monkey Says:

    RUCerious sez:

    These assh@s are calling black white and white black and expecting us to bobble head like drooling sheeple.
    Of course, the trolls will…

    Actually, this thread seems remarkably troll-free…and it’s not like there aren’t any trolls around today…both Conservatron and Kilo have been making nuisances of themselves on other threads all morning.

    I wonder what it is about this thread that repels them so…perhaps Snow-Job’s ability to lie has momentarily outstripped their ability to try to justify those lies.


  26. RUCerious Says:

    TMM ~ Yeah, I didn’t mean to jinx the thread, but they seem to avoid those threads involving Snow and the BS he spews. Indefensible is indefensible, even to the slime.


  27. RUCerious Says:

    P.S. That picture looks like Tony Faux is taking chymp lessons.


  28. I Love the Bangles Says:

    Here is the good news, all the liberals will finally get jobs when the dems find a way to force the troops to leave Iraq early.

    The various charity NGO’s will need workers to assist the Iraqi people to put things back in order, who better to do that than the sensitive libs who really really really care for the Iraqis?

    Hell, we could get the same libs who did such great charitable work in Vietnam and Cambodia after we abandoned southeast asia.


  29. Misty Fowler Says:

    Welcome to the new way, same as the old way.


  30. AR Says:

    More of the same. The only way this war is ending is with a veto overide from Congress.


  31. Jeeves Smithers Says:

    To say “we’re coming up with a new strategy” during the last throes of the Bush-Cheney administration is to declare its moral, ethical, and military bankruptcy one more time, for the benefit of those who haven’t already noticed.

    Just because they have no shame doesn’t mean that they don’t shame the nation. The time is overripe for imPEACHment.


  32. The Joker Says:

    Hey Leftists,
    Look at at what happens in your beloved paradise of Iran!

    http://www.breitbart.com/ print.php?id=070710083811.uiul803x&show_article=1

    Iran says man stoned to death for adultery

    Jul 10 04:38 AM US/Eastern

    Iran said on Tuesday that a man convicted of adultery had been stoned to death in a village in northwestern Iran, the first time it has confirmed such an execution in five years.
    “This case has been recently executed in the village that was mentioned,” judiary spokesman Alireza Jamshidi told reporters about the stoning of Jafar Kiani in a village in Qazvin province.

    Under Iran’s Islamic law, adultery is still theoretically punishable by stoning although in late 2002, judiciary head Ayatollah Mahmoud Hashemi Shahrudi had issued a directive suspending the practice.

    In June, the Fars news agency reported that the judiciary had halted the stoning of a man and a woman in Qazvin province, believed to be the same man who has now been executed.

    The judiciary had up until now vehemently denied any stonings since 2002, although rights activists and press reports have on occasion claimed that such verdicts have been carried out.

    Under the punishment of stoning, a male convict is buried up to his waist with his hands tied behind his back, while a female offender is buried up to her neck with her hands also buried.

    Copyright AFP 2005, AFP stories and photos shall not be published, broadcast, rewritten for broadcast or publication or redistributed directly or indirectly in any medium


  33. Newt Gringo Says:

    #19 RU

    I think you mean

    Peabody’s Improbable History

    Improbable History - you know, like what we’re living through now.


  34. RUCerious Says:

    Shit, the jinx is on.!


  35. RUCerious Says:

    Ah, thanks newt, I knew something was off in my ram.


  36. pete592 Says:

    This “surge” is a freakin’ joke. When trying to quell a civil war in a country of 26 million people, an infusion of 20,000 troops is not a surge, it’s a trickle.


  37. Tony S. Says:

    It has already been scientifically proven that the presence of American troops caused the pretty-bead salesmen and orphanage operators to turn on their Iraqi countrymen and slaughter them with car bombs and beheadings.

    We need to leave Iraq NOW!


  38. Zooey Says:

    Copyright AFP 2005, AFP stories and photos shall not be published, broadcast, rewritten for broadcast or publication or redistributed directly or indirectly in any medium
    Comment by The Joker — July 10, 2007 @ 12:44 pm

    Ever heard of copyright infringement, Joker?
    You’re breaking the LAW.


  39. Briseadh na Faire Says:

    We’ll know if the surge is working by September.

    And,

    If it’s not,

    We’ll add more troops.

    By the time Bush is out of office, expect about 225,000 troops in Iraq, with a similar number of “contractors.”


  40. Mr. President Says:

    The Joker,

    Thank you for posting actual news.

    Your post about al-kaida threatening Iran was the most important story on TP yesterday!!!


  41. Newt Gringo Says:

    No prob, RU.

    I have to defrag my brain every so often.


  42. Zooey Says:

    Your post about al-kaida threatening Iran was the most important story on TP yesterday!!!
    Comment by Mr. President

    User.


  43. I Love the Bangles Says:

    This “surge” is a freakin’ joke. When trying to quell a civil war in a country of 26 million people, an infusion of 20,000 troops is not a surge, it’s a trickle.

    I agree, we should instead pour in as many troops as possible and allow them to use every tactic, weapon and offensive tactic available to achieve victory.

    Or we could just leave and let the country descend even further into civil war…wait…I thought we cared about the Iraqi people?

    Give me a minute to work out this conundrum….


  44. gummitch Says:

    Ever heard of copyright infringement, Joker?
    You’re breaking the LAW.

    Comment by Zooey

    Hey Leftists,
    Look at at what happens in your beloved paradise of Iran!

    Not to mention that the only sentence he actually wrote himself is (a) utter nonsense and (b) irrelevant to the thread. What a surprise!


  45. Zooey Says:

    Not to mention that the only sentence he actually wrote himself is (a) utter nonsense and (b) irrelevant to the thread. What a surprise!
    Comment by gummitch

    All his crap is utter nonsense! :D

    However, he does seem overly concerned with people obeying the law — people not him, apparently.


  46. the fly-man Says:

    Tony Snow, Tim Russert and Andrea Mitchell: plain and simple: cloaca


  47. Tony S. Says:

    Its time to go, we need to GO. NOW.

    We all know that a foreign invasion usually causes a national population to immediately start massacring each other; it happened after Pearl Harbor, when Napoleon invaded Russia and during the Battle of Britain.

    How is it NOT obvious to everyone that leaving Iraq now will allow those who are murdering their fellow Iraqis will immediately cease their attacks and return to their upholstery and carpet cleaning jobs?


  48. pete592 Says:

    #31:

    “Hey Leftists,
    Look at at what happens in your beloved paradise of Iran!

    http://www.breitbart.com/ print.php?id=070710083811.uiul803x&show_article=1

    Iran says man stoned to death for adultery “

    Hey Joker,
    Look at what happens in your beloved rightwing friend and big oil paradise of Saudi Arabia:

    http://www.amnesty.org/ ailib/ intcam/ saudi/ briefing/ 8.html

    And where did a vast majority of the 9/11 hijackers come from?


  49. The republic of Stupidity Says:

    It has already been scientifically proven that the presence of American troops caused the pretty-bead salesmen and orphanage operators to turn on their Iraqi countrymen and slaughter them with car bombs and beheadings.

    We need to leave Iraq NOW!

    Comment by Tony S.

    Bush’s own FATHER was smart enough to not go into Iraq. I take it you will be nelisting any day.


  50. Bill Says:

    Oh boy, a new bumper sticker.


  51. Tony S. Says:

    We ALL need to head to Iraq to save the people we care about so much!

    Lets meet at the airport! NOW!


  52. Mr. President Says:

    And where did a vast majority of the 9/11 hijackers come from?

    Comment by pete592 — July 10, 2007 @ 12:57 pm
    ——————————————————————————

    alkaida is an enemy of Saudi Arabia and Egypt because they are too “Western.”

    Who gives a shit where the hijackers came from.

    In fact, Obama bin Ladin is a Saudi exile.

    You poor foolish Leftists…

    Sometimes I don’t know if you are seriously braindead or if you are just joking around!


  53. shecky Says:

    This one’s fur the Joker:

    You’re F**king Famous Now !”
    An American soldier boasts of having tortured Iraqis and making a 15 years old Iraqi girl commit suicide after she had been raped.

    http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=456_1177473318


  54. Jack Says:

    “I thought we cared about the Iraqi people?”

    This coming from someone who no doubt was typing the words “kill em all, let God sort em out” back in ‘03 or my personal fave: “We should turn their entire desert into glass by nukin ‘em.”.


  55. krazny Says:

    A little off topic I admit, but my answer to the butchery problem, frankly when you invade countries that are already in the throes of ethnic, and religious sectarian hatred, then yeah you will stir up a hornets nest. The above invasions happened against a populace that was already united in a shared national identity. The Iraqi’s aren’t. Kurds, and non-kurds, Shias and Sunnis etc. Thank you for the red herring it was delicious.

    On topic, Snow is just doing his job. He is goes out and sends the message the president wants to send, nothing more, nothing less. I don’t think Bush will have much luck in changing the terms of the debate at this point, but he is going to try.


  56. The Joker Says:

    Mr. President,
    I went out and got drunk for happy hour last night because of the possible Al-Qaeda vs Iran conflict.
    I was talking with many of my co-workers and bar patrons.
    We all thought it was the greatest news ever!
    Heck we might even have parties to view the conflict!
    Heck even the Liberals I spoke with thoought oit was great!
    Have our 2 enemies devour each other.
    Of course here on TP it was met with either sadness or support for Iran!
    The people who post here must not get out much because most Liberals I talk with are alot more nicer and really are concerned with the Islamic threat.
    I guess these geeks need to get out more!


  57. toasterhead Says:

    Hey Leftists,
    Look at at what happens in your beloved paradise of Iran!

    Comment by The Joker — July 10, 2007 @ 12:44 pm

    We get it… you hate Iran. Blah blah blah.

    You know who else hates Iran?

    Al-Qa’ida, that’s who. The Islamic State of Iraq, to be specific.

    Do you really love al-Qa’ida so much that you would join in their vehement hatred of Iran?


  58. CT_V1 Says:

    Comment by The Joker

    Wow, Al-Qaeda vs. Iran. Is that really a firm prospect?

    If so, we can sit back and watch the game. How unprecedented that would be.


  59. Heterodoxy Says:

    A new way forward, not stay the course
    A new course forward, not stay the way
    A new stay foward, not course the way
    A way to stay foward, thats the course
    A way to stay of course


  60. katy Says:

    RUCerious - You’ve got a warped memory. I like it.
    Comment by PatrioticLiberalChristian(PLC) — July 10, 2007 @ 12:39 pm

    PLC ~ Watch me pull a rabbit outa my …
    Comment by RUCerious — July 10, 2007 @ 12:39 pm

    i was a big fan of the rocky and bullwinkle show… still am…
    those shows had such nuance and even dark undertones at times…
    they didn’t dumb down the kids, and the grownups were catered too also…
    ahh, the good ol’ days…


  61. Mr. President Says:

    The Joker,

    The TP Leftists have their own stupid views:

    Democracy = Evil!

    Capitalism = Evil!

    Freedom = Evil!

    Christianity/Judaism = Evil!

    Moral Principles and Values = Evil!

    Islam = Good!

    Stalin = Good!

    Moral Relativism = Good!

    Iran = Good!

    ________________________________

    Most of them would rather talk sh*t about America then see the US win over Islam!!!

    If one muslim kill another muslim, they will blame America.

    If one muslims kills a Westerner, they will STILL blame America!!!!

    It doesn’t make sense!!!!

    Did you say that you drink Kirin Ichiban?


  62. toasterhead Says:

    Wow, Al-Qaeda vs. Iran. Is that really a firm prospect?

    If so, we can sit back and watch the game. How unprecedented that would be.

    Comment by CT_V1 — July 10, 2007 @ 1:08 pm

    Well, not really. It’s not like ISI is going to be carrying out attacks in Iran. They’re going to continue killing innocent Shi’ites and Sunnis percieved as collaborators:

    http://www.daralhayat.com/ arab_news/ levant_news/ 07-2007/ Item-20070709-ac74cbc2-c0a8-10ed-00a4-ed99ecd411f4/ story.html


  63. The Joker Says:

    Toasterhead,
    Iran and Al-Qaeda were allies until recently.
    I despise them both and love the fact 2 snakes are about to devour each other.
    I understand your upset as an Iran supporter at my Iran bashing but too bad!
    Most Americasn except for The Islamo-Satlinists hate Iran, Al-Qaeda, Hizb’allah, Syrai and Saudi Arabia.
    Why do you think most Americans are for troops withdrawl?
    It so that way they all kill each other!
    It’ll make great TV!
    I can’t wait!


  64. Mr. President Says:

    The Joker and CT_V1,

    We can place bets on the battles to see who kills more muslims in one day!!!

    We will count the casualties of alkaida and Iran and who ever kills more wins!


  65. The Joker Says:

    Mr P,
    “Did you say that you drink Kirin Ichiban?”

    Absolutely!
    It’s the best beer!


  66. The Joker Says:

    Mr. President,
    Yes they should have Vegas odd at over who can carry out the most suicide bombings!
    It’ll be funnny to watch!
    They’ll have an ESPN speacil call suicide bombing derby!
    Iran and Al-Qaida will try to outbid each other in how many Virgins they reciev in heaven!
    It’ll be hysterical!


  67. toasterhead Says:

    Toasterhead,
    Iran and Al-Qaeda were allies until recently.

    Comment by The Joker — July 10, 2007 @ 1:12 pm

    AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. That’s funny.

    Actually we’re for troop withdrawal because without American troops in Iraq there will be less of a draw for foreign al-Qa’ida wannabes and at least some of the warring factions in Iraq will stop killing each other and start putting their country together.


  68. Jeff Gannon Says:

    Mr. P,”Did you say that you drink Kirin Ichiban?”

    who’s he?


  69. henry wallace Says:

    When the inSURGEnts were in their last ‘throes’ we finished them off with a ’surge’….now let’s pack up our oil and get the hell outta here.


  70. Th3e Joker Says:

    Toasterhead,
    “Actually we’re for troop withdrawal because without American troops in Iraq there will be less of a draw for foreign al-Qa’ida wannabes and at least some of the warring factions in Iraq will stop killing each other and start putting their country together.”

    You need to get out more you geek.
    I speak with regular people all the time and most people say Get out so they can each other!
    Most Americans hate Muslims, that’s a fact.
    If ypou doubt it go to a bar and talk about Muslims.
    You’ll see what people have to say!


  71. Zimzone Says:

    Joker,

    You must support stoning Vitter to death, eh?


  72. nanlichi Says:

    Anyone amused at watching trolls 69 each other?

    Sick little f*cks can’t swallow enough of KKKarl’s they have to blow each other.

    Bush is the enemy of any true American. He and his brownshirt smag lickers have done more damage to our country than any Muslim could ever hope to. 2009 can’t come any too soon, when the real Americans return to pull the reins from these psychotic pukes


  73. gummitch Says:

    Mr. P,”Did you say that you drink Kirin Ichiban?”

    who’s he?

    Comment by Jeff Gannon

    Mediocre Japanese beer.


  74. Mr. President Says:

    “Absolutely! It’s the best beer!” Comment by The Joker

    I’ll have to give it a try.

    I can’t wait for the games to begin!
    It’s like the Jihad Olympics!!!!


  75. The Explainer Guy Says:

    HOW TO DEAL WITH THE TROLLS

    Short answer: You can’t get rid of them, you can only contain them to some extent if you don’t push them too far.

    Long answer:

    Trolls were with us in late 1980s when the internet was brand spanking new, and they’re not going anywhere. You can’t root them out - period.

    You can, however, contain them and have an acceptable level of trolling so that sane discussion is possible. The danger in any attempt in containing them is, however, that you go overboard and in your zeal to get rid of the trolls you impose a net equivalent of marshal law. A sad example of this is a site called Slashdot. Some of you may know it, some of you may not, but it was one of the first huge blogs to hit the net. Once a site where you would have interesting technology related discussion, but then the trolls ran over it, the administrators went to war, fought it to the bitter end and, while the trolls have been pretty much eradicated, the site is nothing but a shadow of its previous self. A circle-jerk of group-thinkers. Why? Because anything that’s even the slightest way out of the mainstream opinion gets moderated as a troll and, soon after that, IP banned in a way that even proxies won’t help you (well, they are a tech site and know how to do that). This is what I see happening on DailyKos, where the users also get to moderate content, too. Sooner or later powerful enough of a clique of regular users with moderation power will emerge and they will define what ideas and topics the other users must lockstep in.

    It is obvious that trolling is out of control on TP and in a sense this current situation greatly resembles what happened on Slashdot years ago. On one hand it is obvious that the troll scourge must be dealt with, but on the other hand I really, really wish that TP admins don’t take the total-war approach the Slashdot admins took. You piss off enough tech-oriented trolls and they WILL strike back and get around your defenses.

    * Registration (maybe with a 24 hour period before you can post) is the first step, but it’s trivial to bypass. That’s exactly why it’s an excellent idea. It will discourage a casual troll, but won’t agitate the more determined, tech-oriented trolls.

    * Showing IP next to the username is also a good idea to prevent namejacking.

    * Regular IP banning (like it’s done on most sites) is also trivial to bypass if you know how to set up proxies. It does, however, tend to annoy the tech trolls more and is therefore likely to actually provoke more attacks.

    * Draconian IP banning (like on Slashdot where entire B and C subnets get banned because of a one troll), silly delays before you can post again and all kinds of content filters (”too many caps” and swearing) are going to be a disaster. They will just enrage the trolls and they WILL find ways around them whereas the regular posters will suffer because of poor usability.

    * Most trolls will accept a ban if they’ve really done something outrageous. Then again, they’ll just create another account, but still a single, drunken/stoned troll that’s completely out of control can be easily banned.

    Ok. Just a few thoughts on the trolls there.


  76. The Joker Says:

    Zimzone,
    Ypou’re obvious too stupid to realize I posted that story about Iran because many posters on this site are Pro-=Iran and have called it a paradise.
    I’m just exposing them for the thugs they are!

    As for Vitter, hoonestly who cares!
    Do you really think that other than you Leftwing hypocrital geeks that anyone cares?
    Get out more!


  77. Mr. President Says:

    Toasterhead,

    The Joker is right.

    Everyone else knows that as soon as we leave

    The Killing Begins!!!!!!


  78. The Joker Says:

    Mr. President,
    The best game will be the head chopping competition!


  79. Mr. President Says:

    The Joker,

    Do you mean who can chop more heads, or who can chop them the fastest!

    LOL!!!!!


  80. TripMaster Monkey Says:

    The Joker sez:

    Ypou’re obvious too stupid to realize I posted that story about Iran because many posters on this site are Pro-=Iran and have called it a paradise.

    Provide links substantiating this allegation or admit it is a lie.


  81. Mr. President Says:

    TripMaster Monkey,

    He posted the story here yesterday!

    TP didn’t even cover it.


  82. SGT Higgins Says:

    Yes they should have Vegas odd at over who can carry out the most suicide bombings!
    It’ll be funnny to watch!
    It’ll be hysterical!

    Comment by The Joker

    You do more to harm the Republican argument than help it with such stupid remarks. Go crawl under a rock.


  83. toasterhead Says:

    Most Americans hate Muslims, that’s a fact.
    If ypou doubt it go to a bar and talk about Muslims.
    You’ll see what people have to say!

    Comment by Th3e Joker — July 10, 2007 @ 1:21 pm

    If this is true, and most Americans are bigoted idiots like yourself, then I hope the American era comes to a close very soon. This is not the country I grew up in, is not the country I believe in, and it deserves to be put out of its misery.


  84. SGT Higgins Says:

    Do you mean who can chop more heads, or who can chop them the fastest!

    LOL!!!!!

    Comment by Mr. President

    And the things that you find humorous make you appear as stupid as your buddy Joker/Ace Ventura


  85. krazny Says:

    The only person who refers to Iran as a paradise here, is Joker. I haven’t seen any of the liberal posters say any such thing. Please keep talking though, nice to know where the idiots are.


  86. The Joker Says:

    SGT Higgins,
    I’m not a Republican.
    I don’t believe in their Free Trade and Corporatist philosophy.
    They put the interest of the few over the Nation.
    I detest them as much as I detest the Left.
    You obvious never seen me post my economic philosophy.


  87. The Joker Says:

    Mr President,

    Look at Traiterhead head’s anti-American comments!
    “If this is true, and most Americans are bigoted idiots like yourself, then I hope the American era comes to a close very soon. This is not the country I grew up in, is not the country I believe in, and it deserves to be put out of its misery.”

    He must be like David and Gerald Gibson, they support an Islamic takeover!


  88. The Joker Says:

    “I haven’t seen any of the liberal posters say any such thing”

    Gerlad Gibson Jr.
    Ace
    Juan C
    david


  89. shane Says:

    Or we could just leave and let the country descend even further into civil war…wait…I thought we cared about the Iraqi people?

    Give me a minute to work out this conundrum….

    Comment by I Love the Bangles

    I know, let’s keep adding troops in Iraq to fight their civil war. Eventually, given enough death and destruction of American Troops, debt and outrage of the populous we can bring the troops home and then they can fight the US civil war next. That way, we can guarantee for you neocons that no troops will be left alive and save you guys all that money you won’t have to spend on veteran’s benefits.


  90. CT_V1 Says:

    That’s right, Mr. President.

    A Muslimshiteater ™ extermination tally should be in the works. Good plan. In this case, however, the enemy of the enemy is not my friend.

    It looks as if there’s a storm coming down in Fredericksburg….


  91. CT_V1 Says:

    Comment by toasterhead

    But Muslim countries have put themselves in misery, why should we have to follow their lead?


  92. SGT Higgins Says:

    It’ll be funnny to watch!
    It’ll be hysterical!
    I’m not a Republican.
    — Well you don’t sound very ‘Moderate’…..so what are you? Liberal?

    You obvious never seen me post my economic philosophy. –Golly no, I don’t waste my time searching for your inane posts…..this one says enough about you.

    Comment by The Joker


  93. Mr. President Says:

    And the things that you find humorous make you appear as stupid as your buddy Joker/Ace Ventura

    Comment by SGT Higgins — July 10, 2007 @ 1:30 pm

    The Joker is smarter than the Lefties who come here and whine about not wanting to be in Iraq, and at the same time not wanting there to be violence and massive deaths.

    If being in touch with reality is what you call “stupid” then I take that as a compliment!

    TP didn’t even post a story about alkaida and Iran going at it, The Joker did!!!


  94. Kevin Good Says:

    ‘Alice in Wonderland’ or ‘Threw the Looking-glass’ has become;
    ‘Tony in Wonderland’ or ‘Threw the Boob Tube’.


  95. The Joker Says:

    shane,
    In a civil war the Left would get it’s asses handed to them!
    The Right owns most of the Guns, comprise most of the Military and Police.
    The Left are just rich whiney complainers who are Metrosexual or Gay!\
    Good luck!
    But know you losers you’ll call in your Islamic allies!
    We’ll call in the Russians!
    Guess who wins?
    It ain’t you!


  96. Mr. President Says:

    “If this is true, and most Americans are bigoted idiots like yourself, then I hope the American era comes to a close very soon. This is not the country I grew up in, is not the country I believe in, and it deserves to be put out of its misery.”

    This is exactly what I mean!!!!

    This Lefty wants America to be put out of existence and he would rather see the muslims win!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Traitorhead is an Islamo-Stalinist!!!!!


  97. The Joker Says:

    SGT Higgins,
    I ain’t no Moderate as they belive in nothing.
    I’m an Isolationist.
    America should be self relient and mind it’s own business.
    We have 7,000 Nukes, who’ll invade us?
    hint no one!
    Let the world go to hell!
    It ain’t my problem.
    American blood isn’t worth it!


  98. TripMaster Monkey Says:

    Mr President sez:

    He posted the story here yesterday!

    TP didn’t even cover it.

    That’s not the allegation I was referring to, dolt. Either you’re remarkably stupid, or you’re being deliberately obtuse. I really don’t care which…the outcome is the same.


  99. JG Says:

    More words from Snow that don’t mean anything. Need a new strategy? Just change the words and call it something else. While people are busily trying to figure out what you mean with the words you can stall until you need to come up with even more new words.
    Why do we continue to listen to these people? Why do we continue to give them credit for being honest when to date they have been honest about so very little?


  100. Egreggious Says:

    Most Americans hate Muslims, that’s a fact.
    If ypou doubt it go to a bar and talk about Muslims.
    You’ll see what people have to say!

    Comment by Th3e Joker — July 10, 2007 @ 1:21 pm

    Most Americans are in bars.


  101. Mr. President Says:

    Comment by CT_V1 — July 10, 2007 @ 1:38 pm

    CT,

    They started to delete the post that said “MuslimSh*teaters ™ ”

    So I wouldn’t spell it out completely if I were you.

    Yeah, it looked like it was going to rain up here in Fairfax earlier, but now the sun is back out.

    It still might storm later though.


  102. toasterhead Says:

    Look at Traiterhead head’s anti-American comments!

    He must be like David and Gerald Gibson, they support an Islamic takeover!

    Comment by The Joker — July 10, 2007 @ 1:36 pm

    Nice reading skills, guy! And kudos on “Traiterhead”- you probably busted a synapes or two trying to come up with that one.

    The only anti-American comments in this thread are yours and Mr. President’s. Hatred, racism, bigotry, warmongering - these are anti-American values, and you and your troll cronies spew them like a leaky faucet. People like you have destroyed this country. You have turned us into a two-faced imperialist hypocrite nation that is hated by the world.

    You have destroyed America.

    If that’s not treason, I don’t know what is.


  103. SGT Higgins Says:

    The Joker is smarter than the Lefties who come here — really Mr. P? Don’t you think he argues so radically right and posts such racist drivel to bring light to the fact that such arguments are as vacuaous and insipid as they sound? Like maybe he’s doing it on purpose?

    If being in touch with reality is what you call “stupid” then I take that as a compliment! — I couldn’t agree more…..Stupid IS a compliment to you.

    TP didn’t even post a story about alkaida and Iran going at it, The Joker did!!! — well, all hail Joker. That kind of crap is better suited to Newsbusters and the like.

    Comment by Mr. President


  104. TripMaster Monkey Says:

    he Joker sez:

    “I haven’t seen any of the liberal posters say any such thing”

    Gerlad Gibson Jr.
    Ace
    Juan C
    david

    I’ll repeat myself, Joker, since you seem slow to understand.

    Provide links substantiating this allegation or admit it is a lie.


  105. shane Says:

    We can place bets on the battles to see who kills more muslims in one day!!!

    We will count the casualties of alkaida and Iran and who ever kills more wins!

    Comment by Mr. President

    Do you not understand that you are talking about human life? Nobody is pro Muslim or anti American here. We progressives are for the sanctity of life, we realize that each human being is the brother, sister, daughter, son, mother or father of somebody who will suffer a loss. Why is that funny to you?


  106. CT_V1 Says:

    Mr. President,

    If Muslamics lose, so must the entire landscape of planet earth.

    If Muslims can’t assume power, nobody else should be permitted to.

    Admirable logic, Mr. Toastyhead.


  107. Jay Randal Says:

    Tony Snow intends to lie for Bush till the day he drops dead from cancer.


  108. knaemald Says:

    “new way” number what? Forty six? Unfuckingbelievable that this mantra is being trotted out yet again.
    Out now. Iraq is an illegal invasion, a criminal act. The amount of money, unfunded spending, 12 billion a MONTH, that this ugly little act costs us the american people is staggering. WTF?
    IMPEACH INDICT IMPRISON and end this ugliness in our name.


  109. marcus robinson Says:

    There must be some point when alone with hie thoughts that Tony Snow-Job says to himself “I can’t believe I said that s***”


  110. shane Says:

    Mediocre Japanese beer.

    Comment by gummitch

    Comparable to “Milwaukee’s Best”. Our trolls are real high rollers.


  111. The Joker Says:

    Mr Pres,
    You notice as soon as Muslims, especially their beloved Iran is attacked the Stalinists go nuts!


  112. DM Says:

    “the lefties”

    It takes a huge finger to point left and call people names atm… the “lefties” are a massive majority, and not because we’ve changed ~ you’ve slid off the f*cking scale into uncharted right-wing waters, and people are tired of being told that black is white.


  113. CT_V1 Says:

    Mr. President,

    Point taken.

    Muslims**teaters ™

    Value the sanctity of “human” life.


  114. SGT Higgins Says:

    You notice as soon as Muslims, especially their beloved Iran is attacked

    Comment by The Joker

    Holy Cr*p! Iran was attacked??

    oh and Joker, can you give a valid reason why Iran WOULDN’T be beloved of Muslims?


  115. The Joker Says:

    shane,
    “Do you not understand that you are talking about human life? Nobody is pro Muslim or anti American here. We progressives are for the sanctity of life, we realize that each human being is the brother, sister, daughter, son, mother or father of somebody who will suffer a loss. Why is that funny to you?”

    hate to break it to you, but the Muslims would kill you in a heart beat!
    I don’t care about them and hope they kill each other!
    Hey if your so much for human life why do you support abortion?


  116. CT_V1 Says:

    [Thunderstorm approaching, intermission commenced]


  117. The Joker Says:

    SGT Higgins,
    What I meant to say was the as soon as people attack Iran or Muslims, The Leftists around here get touchy!

    That’s better!


  118. The Joker Says:

    DM,
    I don’t know what world your in but most Amewricans aren’t Leftists.
    Their Moderate, Libertarian or Conservative.
    The Far Left is only about 20%.
    Get out more and talk with people.
    Hey tell them that you support Iran and see the comments they’ll make!


  119. Mr. President Says:

    Mr Pres,
    You notice as soon as Muslims, especially their beloved Iran is attacked the Stalinists go nuts!

    Comment by The Joker — July 10, 2007 @ 1:50 pm

    That is why they are called Islamo-Stalinists!

    You know, Saddam Hussien was a huge fan of Stalin, I bet many muslims still are!


  120. shane Says:

    Comment by The Explainer Guy

    Thanks Explainer Guy.


  121. Mr. President Says:

    See ya, CT


  122. SGT Higgins Says:

    What I meant to say was the as soon as people attack Iran or Muslims, The Leftists around here get touchy!

    Joker, I fixed it for you.

    What I meant to say was the as soon as people attack Iran or Muslims, The Neocons around here get giddy!


  123. Mr. President Says:

    It takes a huge finger to point left and call people names atm… the “lefties” are a massive majority,…
    Comment by DM — July 10, 2007 @ 1:51 pm

    Translation:

    “We are the Bolsheviks, you are the Mensheviks!!! Long live Stalinism!!”
    Comment by DM


  124. bogtrotters Says:

    Whatever good will Snow generated by being a “good guy” personally or by fighting cancer with class–which he has done–is evaporating. He’s now reduced to “Am not! But YOU are!” name-calling with the White House press. Tony: Your veracity, dignity and integrity are at Fredo Gonzales levels.


  125. DM Says:

    The clarification is this: >75% of America is left of you.


  126. toasterhead Says:

    Mr. President,

    If Muslamics lose, so must the entire landscape of planet earth.

    If Muslims can’t assume power, nobody else should be permitted to.

    Admirable logic, Mr. Toastyhead.

    Comment by CT_V1 — July 10, 2007 @ 1:48 pm

    I’m not sure what part of my posts have told you that I support an Islamic takeover of the planet. I’ve never stated support for such a thing.

    Now I’ll admit that there’s one loophole. I have stated support for peaceful resolutions to issues of international importance (such as the exponentially increasing use of terrorism as a means to advance a political agenda). And I’ve voiced support for people who agree with this foreign policy agenda.
    Now anyone with an elementary knowledge of Arabic would know that “peace” translates as “salam,” from the سلم root, from which the word Islam اسلام is derived. A supporter of peace in a literal grammatical sense would be a مسلم or Muslim, as denoted by the meem prefix.

    Other than that bilingual contortion, I’m not sure where you’d find my alleged support for a “Muslimiac assumption of power.”


  127. The Joker Says:

    TripMaster Monkey,
    Just read there comments.
    Gerald Gibson has praised Iran many times!
    He makes no bones about that he’s a fan of the regime!

    As for providing links.
    Why bother you’ll deny it!
    Obviously I struck a nerve.
    Why’re you Leftists Pro-Iran?


  128. shane Says:

    shane,
    In a civil war the Left would get it’s asses handed to them!
    The Right owns most of the Guns, comprise most of the Military and Police.
    The Left are just rich whiney complainers who are Metrosexual or Gay!\
    Good luck!
    But know you losers you’ll call in your Islamic allies!
    We’ll call in the Russians!
    Guess who wins?
    It ain’t you!

    Comment by The Joker

    Obviously you’ve never been to a big city. 36 Chicago Public School children were shot at school this year. Do you think those Democrats went to the suburbs and borrowed automatic weapons from the Republicans in the next country. AND, when you ain’t got nothin’ you got nothin’ to lose. And contrary to what you might believe, many of those troops who come home will not be happy with the Republican policies that let them serve tour after tour. And they’ll have lots of experience, what have you got? Keyboard skills will get you far.


  129. Mr. President Says:

    Comment by toasterhead — July 10, 2007 @ 2:02 pm

    No you idiot!!!

    “Islam” means “submission”!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


  130. TripMaster Monkey Says:

    The Joker sez:

    Just read there comments.

    No.

    You were the one who brought the allegation…it’s up to YOU to substantiate it.

    Why the hell do you trolls always think I’m going to do your homework for you?

    As for providing links.
    Why bother you’ll deny it!

    You can’t seriously be this stupid. How does one “deny” a link?

    Put up or shut up, Joker. Either one is fine with me.


  131. VietVet Says:

    590 U.S. soldiers have died and 3,575 have been wounded in Iraq since January 10, 2007. [icasualties.org, 1/10/07-7/9/07]

    DO SOMETHING….CALL CONGRESS…202-244-3121… TELL THEM TIME TO IMPEACH…. THE BUSH CRIME FAMILY HAS TO GO… TELL THEM THE PEOPLE ARE COMING….


  132. shane Says:

    Mr. President,

    Point taken.

    Muslims**teaters â„¢

    Value the sanctity of “human” life.

    Comment by CT_V1

    And when you two even approach “human” status, we’ll start to value your lives.


  133. Mr. President Says:

    “Muslim” means “one who submits”!!!

    toasterhead, you are full of shit!


  134. toasterhead Says:

    “Islam” means “submission”!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Comment by Mr. President — July 10, 2007 @ 2:06 pm

    Prove that.


  135. Troll Says:

    Remove traitors Reid and Pelosi. Impeach them for being willing conspirators in Bush’ war crimes by funding it.


  136. shane Says:

    hate to break it to you, but the Muslims would kill you in a heart beat!
    I don’t care about them and hope they kill each other!
    Hey if your so much for human life why do you support abortion?

    Comment by The Joker

    So you choose to be no better than a fundamentalist muslim. Good for you. I don’t support abortion, I spend 10 years and about $50,000 to have my daughter. I support another woman’s right to decide what is best for her. Maybe you were so scared by 9/11 that you feel it’s okay to lower your standards to those of the hijackers. I don’t believe our forefather’s, especially the framers of our form of government, were such cowards that they wrote the constitution with the idea of throwing it away the each time it was easier to do so. How close were you to NYC that day that you are so petrified by those events and are willing to give up everything the veterans of this country fought for.

    OR, are you just a fascist and can’t wait for your fascist leaders to have complete control?


  137. shane Says:

    Mr Pres,
    You notice as soon as Muslims, especially their beloved Iran is attacked the Stalinists go nuts!

    Comment by The Joker

    And we’re still waiting for you to show one post that show’s that anybody here loves Iran.


  138. The Joker Says:

    shane,
    Obviously you know notheing about me.
    I grew up in NY and moved to Miami.
    Both cities would crap on your little Chicago and it’s suburbs.
    2nd The troops maybe unhappy with the Republican , but they sure as hell don’t want you Pro-Muslim Leftist taking over.
    Heck They will want to take over for themselves, trust me they ain’t Leftists.
    My cousin is the Army, I know!
    Also you’re the lilly white suburban keyboard geek.
    People like you will be mince meat for people like me.
    Like I said I don’t disclose my whole life story, if I did you’d be shocked!
    The 1st people I would traget in a civil war are Muslims!
    That’sll force you Lefties to defend them and I can catch you clowns in ambushes!


  139. Troll Says:

    Shane
    Fascism is a mix of corporatism and socialism so that would be the democrat leaders.


  140. KYJurisDoctor Says:

    September is the month to remember, regardless of what the Bush administration says!

    http://OsiSpeaks.com or http://OsiSpeaks.org


  141. shane Says:

    Just read there comments.
    Gerald Gibson has praised Iran many times!
    He makes no bones about that he’s a fan of the regime!

    As for providing links.
    Why bother you’ll deny it!
    Obviously I struck a nerve.
    Why’re you Leftists Pro-Iran?

    Comment by The Joker

    All you have to do is copy and paste ONE post that supports your allegations and we will believe you. Just ONE.


  142. SGT Higgins Says:

    My cousin is the Army, I know!

    Yeah, he’s a Army of One, right?

    You missed the boat, cowboy, we’re Army Strong now. And you speak for your cousin, not the Army.


  143. Mr. President Says:

    Toasted,

    What, you don’t know how to use a dictionary? Or “the googles”? Or “the Yahoo”?
    ———————————————————————————

    Islam
    “religious system revealed by Muhammad,” 1818, from Arabic, lit. “submission” (to the will of God), from root of aslama “he resigned, he surrendered, he submitted”

    Muslim
    1615 (n.), 1777 (adj.), from Arabic muslim “one who submits” (to the faith), from root of alsama “he resigned.”


  144. The Joker Says:

    toasterhead,
    Islam means means peace through submission to God.
    It’s there peace or no peace at all.
    Read about the 7th Century Jihad about Islamic peace!
    As a typical Leftists you must defend your Muslim allies.
    I love how you Leftists keep proving my poimnt for your love of Islam.
    Why don’t you convert since you like it so much!


  145. gummitch Says:

    “Islam” means “submission”!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Comment by Mr. President — July 10, 2007 @ 2:06 pm

    Prove that.

    Comment by toasterhead

    Technically, he’s right, although it means “submission to God”. The word itself derived from an earlier Syriac word meaning “to make peace”.

    Even on those astonishingly rare occasions when the Troll known as Ms. P is correct, he’s irrelevant.


  146. The Joker Says:

    SGT Higgins,
    I meant he’s in the Army. But you knew this and was just being a jerk.
    I also know many people who wrere and are in the Army.
    Trust me they ain’t no Leftists like the clowns here.
    They also hate, I reapeat HATE Muslims!
    I actually hope there’s a Military coup so we can get rid of the Muslim population in America and crack down on Pro-Islamic Leftists like many on this site!


  147. Mr. President Says:

    Comment by The Joker

    The Joker,

    This foolish Lefty doesn’t even do his homework!
    He just comes here and tells lies about his beloved muslims!

    You and me make him look like an idiot, and we hate Islam!


  148. shane Says:

    That’sll force you Lefties to defend them and I can catch you clowns in ambushes!

    Comment by The Joker

    Nobody here defends muslims or terrorist. We’re still waiting for the one post of your that shows somebody does.

    But what makes you think Democrats don’t own weapons? You know most gun owners don’t belong to the NRA, don’t you. And you think Miami is a bigger city than Chicago, that’s pretty funny.


  149. gummitch Says:

    I actually hope there’s a Military coup so we can get rid of the Muslim population in America and crack down on Pro-Islamic Leftists like many on this site!

    Comment by The Joker

    More evidence that trolls like The Joker hate America and hate democracy.


  150. shane Says:

    My cousin is the Army, I know!

    Yeah, he’s a Army of One, right?

    You missed the boat, cowboy, we’re Army Strong now. And you speak for your cousin, not the Army.

    Comment by SGT Higgins

    Thank you SGT Higgins.


  151. The Joker Says:

    shane,
    Gerald Gibson is a supporter of iran.
    I had a heated discussion with him where he defended their regime.
    It was about 3 months ago.
    I got better things to do than save people’s comments.
    But him, David and Juan C are the biggest ProIran.
    ASce is a Nazi!

    JUan C is the only one I respect because he admits to being a Communist and disliking America.
    He lives in Mexico so that’s OK.
    He’s honest about his belief and I like him for it.
    You, you’re a fraud!
    You support Iran and Al-Qaeda and hope for a Musloim takeover!


  152. TripMaster Monkey Says:

    I’M STILL WAITING, JOKER.


  153. The Joker Says:

    gummitch,
    I’d reather be for a Military coup than be for an Islamic takeover like you!


  154. SGT Higgins Says:

    I meant he’s in the Army.—Then why did you say ‘they’?
    But you knew this and was just being a jerk. — Go cry about it.
    I also know many people who wrere and are in the Army. — Bet I know more!

    Trust me they ain’t no Leftists like the clowns here. — Wanna bet?
    They also hate, I reapeat HATE Muslims! — Just bc you repeat it, doesn’t make it so. “They” do NOT all hate Muslims….if ‘they’ did, ‘they’ wouldn’t hesitate to mow down a crowd with a 50 cal.

    I actually hope there’s a Military coup so we can get rid of the Muslim population in America and crack down on Pro-Islamic Leftists like many on this site! — spoken like a true patriot….of fascism!

    Comment by The Joker — July 10, 2007 @ 2:24 pm


  155. SGT Higgins Says:

    You and me make him look like an idiot, and we hate Islam!

    Comment by Mr. President

    Contradiction Alert!


  156. The Joker Says:

    TripMaster Monkey,
    I don’t have to post nothing!
    Your just upset because you know it’s true!
    Keep waiting Iranina loving loser.
    You 2 have made Pro-Iran, especially your spirited defence of Ahmadineajd!


  157. shane Says:

    I actually hope there’s a Military coup so we can get rid of the Muslim population in America and crack down on Pro-Islamic Leftists like many on this site!

    Comment by The Joker

    Wow, this is so very “American” of you.
    Joker = Coward = Fascist


  158. SGT Higgins Says:

    Thank you SGT Higgins.

    Comment by shane

    No thanks needed, shane…it’s a privilege.


  159. The Joker Says:

    PVT. Hagendaz,
    “they’ wouldn’t hesitate to mow down a crowd with a 50 cal.”

    That’s not what I’ve been told!
    You’re a fake.
    Most people in the Military aren’t Leftists and don’t want no Stalinist regime.
    Better Fascism than Stalinism!


  160. shane Says:

    You, you’re a fraud!
    You support Iran and Al-Qaeda and hope for a Musloim takeover!

    Comment by The Joker

    NO I DON’T. And you saying so doesn’t make it true. And we’re still waiting for ONE example that somebody loves Iran or Muslims in general.


  161. shane Says:

    I don’t have to post nothing!
    Your just upset because you know it’s true!

    Comment by The Joker

    If it WAS true, surly you’d be able to post ONE example.


  162. The Joker Says:

    shane,
    You’re an example!
    Look at how you’re defending Muslims!


  163. TripMaster Monkey Says:

    The Joker sez:

    TripMaster Monkey,
    I don’t have to post nothing!

    I’ll take that as the confession it is (not that we needed it…we all knew you were full of sh!t already).

    Your just upset because you know it’s true!
    Keep waiting Iranina loving loser.
    You 2 have made Pro-Iran, especially your spirited defence of Ahmadineajd!

    Would someone please call Joker’s nurse? The next time she gives him his meds, she needs to check under his tongue. Joker’s obviously spitting them out.


  164. SGT Higgins Says:

    “they’ wouldn’t hesitate to mow down a crowd with a 50 cal.”

    That’s not what I’ve been told! —- You’ve been lied to, and bought it hook line and sinker.

    You’re a fake. — Am I? How would YOU know? I’ve actually MANNED a 50 cal in Iraq….have YOU?

    Most people in the Military aren’t Leftists and don’t want no Stalinist regime. —- You’re back-pedalling. A minute ago it was ALL, now it’s MOST…in a minute it’ll be A FEW.

    Better Fascism than Stalinism! –stupid argument, has no merit.

    Comment by The Joker


  165. Mr. President Says:

    The Joker,

    You were right!

    See how they are all denying it!
    Even after they just defended muslims!!!


  166. shane Says:

    You’re an example!
    Look at how you’re defending Muslims!

    Comment by The Joker

    I’m defending the United States of America and all the brave soldiers who fought to make this country great. I’m attacking people like you who would turn us into a fascist state hated by the rest of the world.


  167. The Joker Says:

    PVt Hagens,
    “You’re a fake. — Am I? How would YOU know? I’ve actually MANNED a 50 cal in Iraq….have YOU?”

    Yeah right!
    Let me guess in a Play Station game right you liar!


  168. SGT Higgins Says:

    Would someone please call Joker’s nurse? The next time she gives him his meds, she needs to check under his tongue. Joker’s obviously spitting them out.

    Comment by TripMaster Monkey

    LMAO My guess is she couldn’t read the confusing label and the pills were NOT intended as suppositories.


  169. shane Says:

    See how they are all denying it!
    Even after they just defended muslims!!!

    Comment by Mr. President

    Okay, Joker can’t so you show us ONE post where somebody is defending muslims. Just ONE.


  170. SGT Higgins Says:

    Let me guess in a Play Station game right you liar!

    Comment by The Joker

    Ok, whatever. I forgot, you know everyone in the Army….look through your roster, you’ll find my name.


  171. The Joker Says:

    “I’m attacking people like you who would turn us into a fascist state hated by the rest of the world.”

    As a true Stalinist you care about the rest of the world!
    I got news fpor you, If American became Isolationist, Used alternative Energy and Self Relient the rest of the world wouldn’t give a damn about us.
    They’d be too busy destroying each other while we’d be here peacefully mindidng our business.
    If we go isolationist we don’t need a big military as our Nulke forces would prevent invasions.
    We could use that Money for Schools, Healthcare and Publkic Transportation.
    It’s getting involved with the world that got us in this mess!


  172. shane Says:

    LMAO My guess is she couldn’t read the confusing label and the pills were NOT intended as suppositories.

    Comment by SGT Higgins

    Maybe that’s the problem, Joker’s head is so far up his ass that the suppositories intended to go there won’t fit.


  173. Troll Says:

    Joker,

    Dont worry. Islams hateful religious ideology will self destruct. 1300 years of infighting will see to this. They hate each other as much as they hate us. The whole region is about to explode in a massive pan-muslim war which will begin as soon as the dems are successful in withdrawing our troops from Iraq.


  174. werenotgonnatakeit Says:

    “Who gives a shit where the hijackers came from.”
    – Comment by Mr. President

    WTF? Who the attackers were and where they came from is irrelevant?!?


  175. TripMaster Monkey Says:

    shane sez:

    Okay, Joker can’t so you show us ONE post where somebody is defending muslims. Just ONE.

    Get in line, shane…I’m still waiting for one post that called Iran a “paradise”.

    Methinks we’re both in for a long wait.


  176. Troll Says:

    WTF? Who the attackers were and where they came from is irrelevant?!?

    Comment by werenotgonnatakeit — July 10, 2007 @ 2:42 pm

    What they believed is what is relevant.


  177. shane Says:

    It’s getting involved with the world that got us in this mess!

    Comment by The Joker

    Yes it is, that’s why our forces need to come home now. At last we agree on something.


  178. SGT Higgins Says:

    WTF? Who the attackers were and where they came from is irrelevant?!?

    Comment by werenotgonnatakeit

    Sure, you just have to be willing to hate and want the destruction of whatever people is responsible. Muslim extremists bomb your building? Hate Islam and invade their countries.

    It doesn’t make a difference to Mr. P. he’d feel the same way if it had been Mexican’s or Canadians.


  179. CT_V1 Says:

    And when you two even approach “human” status, we’ll start to value your lives.

    Comment by shane

    Except, there’s a problem: You’re not a human.


  180. Mr. President Says:

    shane,

    Mr Pee, you know squat.

    Here you see david defending Iran:

    The Sunni/Shia divide is exaggerated.

    And, frankly, an Iranian style government wouldn’t be a bad thing in Iraq. For all the Western ranting about individual rights –which I don’t see being jealously protected in America– the secular governments under Saddam or the Shah were neither democratic nor benign. One can hope for an accelerated evolution of liberal democracy, but it isn’t what would find support by the majority at the moment. I’d say we’re looking at a mindset similar to England in 1660. Still very civilized, but a long way from equal rights for women or separation of church & state.

    And what does America hope to accomplish? It can’t broker the peace because it is clearly the warmonger. And it has been tainted by lusting after Iraqi oil and tampering with elections. I say, GO.

    Comment by david — July 8, 2007 @ 5:17 pm


  181. shane Says:

    “Who gives a shit where the hijackers came from.”
    – Comment by Mr. President

    WTF? Who the attackers were and where they came from is irrelevant?!?

    Comment by werenotgonnatakeit

    That’s why people were laughing at KKKarl Rove yesterday. Because he said we chose not to go to Pakistan, because it is a sovereign nation to capture the members of Al Qaeda we had cornered. The crowd just cracked up.


  182. Troll Says:

    Sh