Webb: ‘I Don’t Know Where Lieberman Gets His Opinions About How Well We’re Doing’
Webb: ‘I Don’t Know Where Lieberman Gets His Opinions About How Well We’re Doing’
On the Senate floor this morning, Sen. Joseph Lieberman (I-CT) said that proposals to withdraw troops and restore the strength of the armed forces are “legislating a defeat” in Iraq.
This afternoon on CNN, responding to Lieberman’s criticisms, Webb reminded the public that he was warning in September 2002 that we were “heading for trouble” if we went to war in Iraq:
I was warning about the consequences of invading and occupying Iraq well before we went in. … I don’t know where Sen. Lieberman gets his opinions about how well we’re doing. [...]
You have a government in Iraq that has no power. It has very little power — it cannot compel action and it’s surrounded by armed factions that retain the power. That is not a situation we’re going to resolve without the interaction of all the countries in the region in a positive, proactive diplomatic way. And that’s what I’ve been saying for three years.
Watch it:
Webb is sponsoring an amendment that would restore the strength of the military by requiring every soldier who is deployed overseas to receive at least the same amount of rest when they return home. Senate conservatives have announced that they will filibuster the bill.
In a statement for ThinkProgress, Center for American Progress senior fellow Lawrence Korb, a former assistant secretary of defense, said:
Regardless of whether a member supports a phased withdrawal of American forces from Iraq or continues to support President Bush’s latest escalation, he or she should support the Webb-Hagel amendment to the 2008 Defense Authorization Bill.
It takes two full years at home or after a one year deployment for a unit to become fully combat ready. Spending a year at home after a year in the combat zone is barely enough time to get themselves marginally ready physically and mentally for the next deployment. Giving them last time would mean sending units and individuals into battle who are not combat ready.
Members cannot vote against Webb-Hagel and claim they support the troops. Sending people back for another tour without the same amount of time at home as the length of their tour is wrong strategically and morally.
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Republicans ’support’ the troops only if they’re fighting and dying to maintain the status quo. They care little for the actual man in uniform and here’s the proof of it.
July 10th, 2007 at 7:28 pmhe pulls them right out ot his ASS.
July 10th, 2007 at 7:28 pmI can’t wait to see how the GOP spins this. Webb’s kid is there. Webb is a vet (which is more than you can say about, what, 98% of the GOP chickenhawks!) and this shows more support for our troops than any GOP chickenhawk ever has.
What a quagmire the GOP is going to be in if they vote against it. I can’t wait. LET THE GAMES BEGIN! (Too bad those “games” mean real lives; lives of both Americans and innocent Iraqis).
July 10th, 2007 at 7:28 pmHow can the conservatives even live with themselves, much less claim to support the troops, when they filibuster a bill like this?
Just disgusting.
July 10th, 2007 at 7:28 pmI don’t know either…but it’s all lies, distortions and propaganda. But, isn’t that the nature of the beast? James Madison had it a couple hundred years ago:
“In war, too, the discretionary power of the Executive is extended; its influence in dealing out offices, honors, and emoluments is multiplied; and all the means of seducing the minds, are added to those of subduing the force, of the people…. [There is also an] inequality of fortunes, and the opportunities of fraud, growing out of a state of war, and … degeneracy of manners and of morals…. No nation could preserve its freedom in the midst of continual warfare.”
Just as it was centuries ago, it is today. Lieberman, the liar, loves war……and politicians, war, and lying go hand in hand.
Some additional reading:
“Politicians Lie? Say it Ain’t So!”
July 10th, 2007 at 7:29 pmhttp://www.populistamerica.com/politicians_lie___say_it_ain_t_so
Bbbbbuuuuttt … they’re soldiers right? That means they go to war when told, and then, umm, stay there until we tell them to come home. I didn’t hear none of this sissy-pants complaining when our boys were taking down the Nazis, now did I?
Oops, that’s right, I was still 20 years away from being born. But hell, you’re either with us or against us, and if Joe Lieberman says you’re against us, well, you can bet your light blue Star of David that you’re agin’ us.
Maybe Bush can give a speech to the troops about how it’s all their fault that they got wounded, and not to come begging for health care or anything like that.
If they hadn’t gotten shot/mutilated/shredded/strafed/burned or maimed, they wouldn’t need any medical care. Just go ride a bike or something, jog a little bit.
Now that’s compassionate conservatism!
July 10th, 2007 at 7:30 pmJames Webb is truly refreshing. He is smart, sincere and rational.
He is a decorated Vietnam War veteran, writer and former Secretary of the Navy under Ronald Reagan.
He wore his sons combat boots during his run for the Senate. He speaks for the country, not the Democratic or Republican party..
He is a GREAT hope for the future of us all.
July 10th, 2007 at 7:34 pmI can’t wait to see how the GOP spins this. Webb’s kid is there. Webb is a vet (which is more than you can say about, what, 98% of the GOP chickenhawks!) and this shows more support for our troops than any GOP chickenhawk ever has.
comment by MsJoanne
MsJoanne, we can count on the neoCONs to find some way to smear him. Look what they did and keep on doing to Murtha, a decorated veteran.
July 10th, 2007 at 7:36 pmComment by MsJoanne
Unfortunately I feel the only hand left for them to play is going to be Iran. That’s what they are all about now. If they are forced out of the illegal occupation, all of this was for nothing and the more pressure that is put upon them….
July 10th, 2007 at 7:37 pmI really am concerned about another “false flag” event here. They are getting to the point where that may be the only way out.
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James Webb is truly refreshing. He is smart, sincere and rational.
He is a decorated Vietnam War veteran, writer and former Secretary of the Navy under Ronald Reagan.
He wore his sons combat boots during his run for the Senate. He speaks for the country, not the Democratic or Republican party..
He is a GREAT hope for the future of us all.
Comment by seasonednsomber — July 10, 2007 @ 7:34 pm
How true – he is a great example of a real patriot. And what a change in that seat! From macaca to Senator Webb – if only we could have 10 more similar changes in the Senate next election….
July 10th, 2007 at 7:38 pmRepublican Shill, Joe Lieberman, sets the dialogue for a trap today by implying that things are going “swimmingly” (thanks, Coultergeist for that one!) so he can then turn around and say the inevitable: See what the Democrats have done when the civil war continues. What Republican fraud, Lieberman, fails to realize is that this form of chicanery is soooooo amazingly transparent that even a two year old would understand what trap he’s attempting to set.
And to think that this man, with a sub-zero intellect, actually believes he has the qualifications to be president? You’ve got to be kidding!
July 10th, 2007 at 7:39 pmAnd, it would also appear that from the excessive and pathological lying he been engaging in….that his nose is growing! Lieberocchio anyone?
July 10th, 2007 at 7:40 pmIt’s obvious that Jim Webb hates the troops when he insists that they need rest in between combat tours.
You can bet the trolls here wouldn’t need no damn rest from killing Islamocommunistfasciststalinists, no sirree!
July 10th, 2007 at 7:40 pmHow can the conservatives even live with themselves, much less claim to support the troops, when they filibuster a bill like this?
Because since 9/11 we have been living in Bizarro World, where everything is actually the opposite of what it seems!
http://www.antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=11246
July 10th, 2007 at 7:41 pmLieberman gets his opinions from Mr Pee.
July 10th, 2007 at 7:41 pmHow could they send them to an occupation like this?
July 10th, 2007 at 7:42 pmInteresting, that the two most vocal and vociferous people in the United States, that are getting the most airtime on the pro-war/occupation side, are Joe Lieberman and Bill Kristol.
I think that’s it’s pretty transparent as to where their allegiances lie.
July 10th, 2007 at 7:43 pmConversely, James Webb is really what this country and Congress is and should be all about. He’s intelligent, fresh, and afraid of no one. I love his candor and his sense of integrity. I wish someone would pick him up for a running mate. If they did, it might cinch their presidency.
James Webb is a first class patriot all the way! We need to sweep out those old, crochety Republican “antiques” in Congress and bring in more real men like Webb.
Clean sweep in 08 of ALL REPUBLICAN INCUMBENTS! It’s going to happen – the longer this level corruption continues in the white house and the more protracted our involvement in this civil war in Iraq, the more candidates will find themselves out of a seat next time around. Bush and Co. is definitely taking the entire GOP down the sewer with him. There won’t be anyone left a year from now except the war profiteers – his buttlickers!
July 10th, 2007 at 7:43 pm#14 So it can easily be shown that 911 was the “beginning” of Bush’s reign of terror. How would he have been able to accomplish it without a 911?? Ask youself that one….I know what answer your logical mind will bring forth.
July 10th, 2007 at 7:44 pmJVP: Have yourself a field day and google William Kristol. Then google Leo Strauss, grandfather of the fascist neocons. Then google Irving Kristol, Leo Straussian protege….and grandfather to none other than that smiling jackass William Kristol. The apple never falls far from the tree!
July 10th, 2007 at 7:46 pmblah, blah…When I was in Vietnam…blah, blah…when I was in Lebanon…
Why do we keep listening to these stupid “army” people anyway. The independent senator from Conn has a point…”we’re winning the war.” how many times does he need to say it—we’re winning. we’re winning, we’re winning…there. don’t you get it.
honestly, whose word would do you take on this–a person whose actually been in war and served our country in the armed forces (and has a son who is serving our country) or someone who has strolled through the markets of Tikrit in a flack jacket, helmet, shades.
Sheesh, c’mon people.
(Kudos to Donner and Blitzen for “raising” the level of debate too by putting that rambling ass, no point senator from Conn on the tele anyway. “Webb your point makes sense and you obviously have a certain level of credibility as you’ve actually risked your life to serve our country, but what would you say to this–cut to Leiberman in straightjacket speaking on the floor of senate–”we’re winning, we’re winning, we’re winning…)
July 10th, 2007 at 7:46 pmWebb reminded the public that he was warning in September 2002 that we were “heading for trouble†if we went to war in Iraq:
Yet, Webb left out the part that he voted with his republican buddies, and Bush, FOR the latest Iraq funding. He ran on getting us out, then votes to extend the war!
I guess that wonderful minimum wage hike was just ‘to die for,’ right Jimmy boy? Especially our troops in this illegal war, right Jimmy boy?
July 10th, 2007 at 7:47 pmYou know, I will be believing a man who has spent many years in the military and whose son is currently in Iraq before I will believe a blow hard like LIEberman. I think that LIEberman has really stepped into some stinky stuff this time. And I am glad that Webb has brought up this bill. Because any senator or congress person who doesn’t support this bill is definitely NOT supporting the troops. There is no way the Republics can spin this one.
July 10th, 2007 at 7:47 pm#21 do you call the largest loss of lives over this past weekend (200+) winning? Perhaps in your sadistic view, it is winning when more people are killed. I feel sorry for you….very sorry for you.
July 10th, 2007 at 7:49 pmIt’s becoming more and more clear that Lieberman takes his orders from conservative elements in Israel. He certainly doesn’t represent his constituents in his state. Again, many thanks to the Democrats in Conn. who voted for Joe for having your heads firmly planted up your own asses. What the hell were you thinking??!!
July 10th, 2007 at 7:50 pm#8 The neocons aren’t smearing anyone – they’ve got enough brushfires to put out with the DC Madame outing the names and numbers than anyone could believe. They’re going to be very, very busy trying to quash all that’s coming.
July 10th, 2007 at 7:50 pmThe neocon’s “golden goose” is about to be cooked. Senate has cut funding to Cheney’s office unless he complies with the Exec. Order. Of course, he hasn’t been in compliance for 6 years which will be brought into testimony when/if he refuses. If he doesn’t refuse, then all the dirt will be coming out like flies on manure….if he continues to refuse, then he will be considered a “breach in national security” and will be impeached. Of course, Bush hasn’t complied either….so the “breach of national security will then extend to the president as well. I’d say they’d both better take a vacation in August….what’d you say?
July 10th, 2007 at 7:52 pmUncle Reamus is back to teach the dark, unwashed masses about the similarities between the Revolutionary War and the Iraq War.
July 10th, 2007 at 7:53 pmCHENEY 2008!!!
July 10th, 2007 at 7:53 pmI’d say that Dumb and Dumber have are in heap big $hit!
July 10th, 2007 at 7:53 pmJust wondering….is it possible to run for office from prison? Just wondering…
July 10th, 2007 at 7:54 pmYou can bet the trolls here wouldn’t need no damn rest from killing Islamocommunistfasciststalinists, no sirree!
Comment by spit take — July 10, 2007 @ 7:40 pm
If they could do so from the comfort of their basements.
July 10th, 2007 at 7:54 pmveritas, aren’t I good, I actually got a regular to fall for my sarcasm. (you must not have read the whole comment. actually you must not have paid much attention to it at all.)
July 10th, 2007 at 7:55 pmTypical Leftist Surrender Monkeys
July 10th, 2007 at 7:55 pmJust heard that Chertoff has made a major faux pas….he’s saying that he has a “gut feeling” that we’re going to be attacked this Summer. Yeah, right….because that’s their last hurrah and they’ll orchestrate another one just like the last one. The level of idiocy of this regime never ceasess to amaze me….just when I think they’ve reached the ultimate nadir of stupidity, they create a new low and break even their own records for idiocy.
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War Criminal. Liar. Megalomaniac.
July 10th, 2007 at 7:57 pmVote CHENEY in 2008!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
SomeGuy: HUH?? I don’t know who you are or what your selling here but I believe you’ve got it wrong.
July 10th, 2007 at 7:58 pmI didn’t even read your post, SomeGuy, because it appeared to full of bullshit and drivel, as per usual with a sycophantic woring troll.
July 10th, 2007 at 7:59 pmIf they could do so from the comfort of their basements.
Comment by Egreggious
That’s Mommy’s Basement, thank you.
July 10th, 2007 at 7:59 pmSo I guess you’re right and have answered your own question….I didn’t read your supposed sarcasm, dude and can tell by the tone of what I scan and see that it’s nothing but pure bullshit.
July 10th, 2007 at 8:00 pmComment on Mr. President types:
We might all be beter off if we only respnded to serious questions and let the others just fall of the the face of the Earth. I don’t think they would waste their time if they has NO response.
Why encourage that crap?
July 10th, 2007 at 8:00 pm#25, Col. Ripper, ordinarilly I’d hate to agree with this hypothesis, but it is disturbingly possible. The Senator couldn’t have been brainwashed. Psychosis is possible, but other than this his behaviour seems quite normal. Drugs are possible, but not probable as he’s never had a public meltdown. To quote Sherlock Holmes, “Whenever you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth”. I can’t, for the life of me, figure out whatever else could possibley send him so far from the boundaries of sanity. And I completly agree with your sentiments about the people from Connecticut. Regretably, you can fool all of the people some of the time.
July 10th, 2007 at 8:03 pmWhy encourage that crap?
Comment by seasonednsomber
Because there are just as many self important liberal blowhards as there are troll dimwits? And they attract each other like Bi/curious Fratboys?
July 10th, 2007 at 8:03 pmSomeguy: Do you want a medal or do you need a chest to pin it on? What a village idiot intimating that I would even read troll drivel….you out yourself with the mere composition style of your posts whether you realize it not and veteran bloggers here can see that inimitable troll style a mile away. That’s why we immediately scroll past it to the blogs of people who are intelligent here….known to base their opinions on facts and research. If you’re patting yourself on the back for believing that your obvious lather resembles good sarcasm, then it’s obvious that you’ve probably never completed high school – no less college. Get some education about what true sarcasm is if you want to do yourself a favor.
July 10th, 2007 at 8:03 pmEXPELL LEAHY AND CONYERS FROM CONGRESS!!!!
July 10th, 2007 at 8:04 pm“On the Senate floor this morning, Sen. Joseph Lieberman (I-CT) said that proposals to withdraw troops and restore the strength of the armed forces are “legislating a defeat†in Iraq.”
He is quite honestly telling the truth, what happens when we pull out? It is th Kemher Rouge all over again, real torture, mass death, you name it. It will make the U.S. look like pikers. The Progressives have no alternative ideas, other than “lets talk”…assholes.
July 10th, 2007 at 8:04 pmWebb is a sharp guy. The Republicans now have a tough choice: stick it to their Chimpenfuhrer, stick it to our troops, or filibuster the bill, thereby sticking it to our troops.
No gold magnets to hide behind on the Senate floor, so what’s it going to be?
July 10th, 2007 at 8:05 pmplease, someone help veritas.
did anyone else think i was actually being serious about those Bozos–Blitzman and Leibermonger?
didn’t this tip my hand:
(Kudos to Donner and Blitzen for “raising†the level of debate too by putting that rambling ass, no point senator from Conn on the tele anyway. “Webb your point makes sense and you obviously have a certain level of credibility as you’ve actually risked your life to serve our country, but what would you say to this–cut to Leiberman in straightjacket speaking on the floor of senate–â€we’re winning, we’re winning, we’re winning…)
you think that last dig is supportive of Lieberman?
July 10th, 2007 at 8:05 pm> Just heard that Chertoff has made a major faux pas….he’s saying that he
> has a “gut feeling†that we’re going to be attacked this Summer.
Better watch out for companies that are being sold short in unusually high amounts.
July 10th, 2007 at 8:07 pmComment by veritas
So you missed his OBVIOUS sarcasm and now you have to spill vile crap at him to cover it up?
Yeah, you are something. One hell of a humanitarian.
July 10th, 2007 at 8:07 pm#21 Kudos to Donner and Blitzen for “raising†the level of debate too by putting that rambling ass, no point senator from Conn on the tele anyway. “Webb your point makes sense and you obviously have a certain level of credibility as you’ve actually risked your life to serve our country, but what would you say to this–cut to Leiberman in straightjacket speaking on the floor of senate–â€we’re winning, we’re winning, we’re winning…
LOLZ!
July 10th, 2007 at 8:09 pmsince you got it all figured out there veritas, and we are all waiting for the next gem of wisedom you will bless us poor uneducated souls with, why don’t you publish all this “insight” and really do some good?
July 10th, 2007 at 8:09 pmor do you prefer proving how smart you are in a little hole in the wall blog with even dumber trolls?
July 10th, 2007 at 8:10 pmSo you missed his OBVIOUS sarcasm and now you have to spill vile crap at him to cover it up?
Yeah, you are something. One hell of a humanitarian.
Comment by screamingeagleboy — July 10, 2007 @ 8:07 pm
Have to agree with this. Veritas, you need to apologize to Some Guy and move on.
July 10th, 2007 at 8:11 pmComment by screamingeagleboy — July 10, 2007 @ 8:10 pm
HEY!!!
Are YOU sAyin’ uS TP tRollS aReN’t Dummmmmm?!?!!???!?!
July 10th, 2007 at 8:11 pmor do you prefer proving how smart you are in a little hole in the wall blog with even dumber trolls?
Comment by screamingeagleboy
Who cares? Move on….
July 10th, 2007 at 8:12 pmEXPELL LEAHY AND CONYERS FROM CONGRESS!!!!
Comment by Mr. President — July 10, 2007 @ 8:04 pm
Isn’t he adorable? He also has this ventriloquist act he does with his sister’s Barbie — it’s just precious!
Mr Pee, here’s a saltine with some peanut butter. Run along now. Let the big people talk. You can watch an extra half-hour of TV. But stay off the internet!
July 10th, 2007 at 8:12 pmIt’s about time someone called Lieberman on his shit.
July 10th, 2007 at 8:13 pmHarry Reid needs to let the republicans go right ahead and filibuster every damned thing they have threatened to filibuster.
America would see just who and what is keeping this country going down the wrong path.
Every time the republicans threaten to filibuster, MAKE THEM.
July 10th, 2007 at 8:14 pmThank you Troll Hater and screamingeagle boy. I was actually beginning to wonder…”maybe I am a troll.” To think, I actually liked veritas. just goes to show, there are trolls and there are comment bullies.
veritas = comment bully
July 10th, 2007 at 8:15 pmI do have to agree with veritas; They are going to stage an attack this summer. They have to regain the “victom” status to keep the “war on terror” going.
July 10th, 2007 at 8:15 pmDoesn’t this Senator Webb have a son that is killing 650,000 Iraqis?
He’s killed a few over in Nam. Like father like son.
July 10th, 2007 at 8:16 pmveritas isn’t like that…he’s just all ramped up because the wheels are coming off the troll train
July 10th, 2007 at 8:16 pmSpit take, Karim.
July 10th, 2007 at 8:17 pmYour combined age adds up to twenty, I will leave it up to you to fight who is older.
Hey!
Flaco!
How’s everything my man!?!
July 10th, 2007 at 8:17 pmveritas = comment bully
Comment by Some Guy
Mistakes happen, but we shouldn’t start feeding on our own.
veritas, please slow down in your reading and commenting, I took offense at something you said recently as well.
July 10th, 2007 at 8:17 pmHave yourself a field day and google William Kristol. Then google Leo Strauss, grandfather of the fascist neocons. Then google Irving Kristol, Leo Straussian protege….and grandfather to none other than that smiling jackass William Kristol. The apple never falls far from the tree!
Comment by veritas
Yeah, I’ve read up on those guys quite a bit. The BBC documentary “The Power of Nightmares” is a good primer on the origins of the Neoconservative movement.
July 10th, 2007 at 8:18 pmChertoff’s “gut feeling” is a thinly veiled threat. It reminds me of Cheney’s warning during the last campaign that, “we could get hit again.” It’s the same kind of gut feeling Paulie Walnuts used to get that someone was going to “have an accident” just after they shorted him on his protection money.
America, it’s like this…support the Bush regime or they will allow terrorists to kill you.
July 10th, 2007 at 8:18 pmveritas = comment bully
Comment by Some Guy — July 10, 2007 @ 8:15 pm
I wouldn’t go as far as saying that. The first part of your post had me reaching for the keyboard, but then I kept reading. Many posts here get misinterpreted just this way, it’s not a big deal.
July 10th, 2007 at 8:18 pm#67
July 10th, 2007 at 8:21 pmWhat is a Neo Conservative?
I bet you don’t know.
Please enlighten me
HeyoooOOOooooooooooOOOOOOOO
July 10th, 2007 at 8:22 pmMr President
Thanks for keeping us safe so I can go shopping at the mall.
Please take care of the bad guys like you doing.
Many posts here get misinterpreted just this way, it’s not a big deal.
Comment by Namtillaku — July 10, 2007 @ 8:18 pm
I’ve been mistaken for a troll myself because of some poorly-worded posts. I hate to think I’m as inarticulate as those guys, but there you go!
July 10th, 2007 at 8:23 pmThe thing is, at least for me, I’ve had to watch all of this happen for years and now the house of cards is one move away from falling apart. I get excited about it and go off on tangents.
Can happen to anyone.
July 10th, 2007 at 8:23 pm#67
July 10th, 2007 at 8:23 pmI’m still laughing up soda. Keep believing that crap, I’m sure it will work well. Oh, and the world is still flat, if tha helps you out.
America, it’s like this…support the Bush regime or they will allow terrorists to kill you.
Comment by War4Sale — July 10, 2007 @ 8:18 pm
It’s a protection racket, which we’re left to discover this on our own. The MSM ought to be all over this, but they’re failing the country as well. No more sense of duty to inform us of the truth, only profits and sensationalism.
July 10th, 2007 at 8:24 pmOh look, Rove has sent in a new troll. And he’s a dumbass.
Meanwhile, back at the topic, Holy Joe Loserwhore (I-Tel Aviv) still has his head up his a$s, and that ain’t kosher.
July 10th, 2007 at 8:24 pmDoesn’t this Senator Webb have a son in Iraq that is killing 650,000+ Iraqis?
He’s killed a few over in Nam. Like father like son.
Comment by Flaco
July 10th, 2007 at 8:24 pm————————————————————————————–
Give his son a medal for bravery and going along with the invasion of a sovereign nation.
No Problemo, Flaco!
You keep up the good work at the CIA!
July 10th, 2007 at 8:26 pm73. I’m still laughing up soda. Keep believing that crap, I’m sure it will work well. Oh, and the world is still flat, if tha helps you out.
Comment by Raquel Damian
You mean like when V. Plame didn’t get outed and ruin her career?
July 10th, 2007 at 8:26 pmI’ve been mistaken for a troll myself because of some poorly-worded posts. I hate to think I’m as inarticulate as those guys, but there you go!
Comment by Egreggious
July 10th, 2007 at 8:26 pm———————————————
Just say “F Bush’ and they will love ya here.
Hi Egreggious, Zooey
July 10th, 2007 at 8:27 pmComment by Raquel Damian — July 10, 2007 @ 8:23 pm
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Do you believe American troops should be given a mandatory down time between deployments that is equal to the amount of time they are deployed?
July 10th, 2007 at 8:27 pmOh, and Tom3
July 10th, 2007 at 8:27 pmStay off the Meth, you get paranoid after so many benders
Spit take, Karim.
Your combined age adds up to twenty, I will leave it up to you to fight who is older.
Say what?
July 10th, 2007 at 8:27 pmveritas = comment bully
Comment by Some Guy — July 10, 2007 @ 8:15 pm
I wouldn’t go as far as saying that. The first part of your post had me reaching for the keyboard, but then I kept reading. Many posts here get misinterpreted just this way, it’s not a big deal.
Comment by Namtillaku — July 10, 2007 @ 8:18 pm
i’ll grant you it could have written it a bit more clearly–still doesn’t excuse veritas for the attack, especially when he doesn’t even read the damn thing, then tries to defend himself by saying he doesn’t have to–he can just smell a troll…um, apparently not.
anyway I’m moving on. i’ve reached my limit for this comment thread.
and for all those who need it spelled out:
Kudos to Webb for standing up for the troops and more importantly standing up to Bush and his few remaining cronies.
July 10th, 2007 at 8:27 pm> Neo Conservative
Answer 0: http://www.slate.com/id/2137208/
July 10th, 2007 at 8:28 pmAnswer 1: “A liberal that has been mugged by reality”
Answer 2a: Totally out-of-whack militarist messianic USA-firster
Answer 2b: Zapped Trotskyite
Answer 3: Bush doesn’t know either: http://www.slate.com/id/2160462/
Answer 4: Israel
#82
July 10th, 2007 at 8:28 pmI don’t get down time for the job I volunteered for, would you like the drafts back!?
No Problemo, Flaco!
You keep up the good work at the CIA!
Comment by Mr. President
July 10th, 2007 at 8:29 pm————————————————
I’m buffing/waxing the front lobby now Mr. President
thanks
#86
July 10th, 2007 at 8:30 pmno
Hey, screamingeagleboy,
Zooey’s off on another thread right now. I imagine she’ll be back with her stinging wit soon.
July 10th, 2007 at 8:30 pmNo Problemo, Flaco!
You keep up the good work at the CIA!
Comment by Mr. President
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I’m buffing/waxing the front lobby now Mr. President
thanks
Comment by Flaco
July 10th, 2007 at 8:31 pm————————————————-
Cool! I’m talking with neoCons so that we can bomb Iran!
Raquel,
I didn’t sign up for your class in wingnut history, so I’m not going to submit to a quiz. So…fuk off? M’kay?
July 10th, 2007 at 8:31 pm89. Egreggious
July 10th, 2007 at 8:31 pmthanks.
I don’t get down time for the job I volunteered for, would you like the drafts back!?
Comment by Raquel Damian — July 10, 2007 @ 8:28 pm
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The job you volunteered for does not involve living for a year or more at a time in an extremely hostile environment, then returning with equipment that is worn out from the previous deployment. No, I don’t want the draft back. However, I don’t want our troops sent back into the fray time and again, unprepared, without the needed training in between, and under-equipped.
July 10th, 2007 at 8:32 pmJeez, the inbred idiot Repuke trolls are thicker ‘n flies on shit in here. And as smelly.
Meanwhile, back at the topic, the Repukes hate our troops and their filibuster threat is proof.
Why do trolls hate our troops?
July 10th, 2007 at 8:32 pmWhy do trolls hate our troops?
Comment by Tom3
Because they can’t do a push-up?
July 10th, 2007 at 8:33 pmI normally agree with everything veritas says, but think she owes Some Guy an apology in this case.
July 10th, 2007 at 8:34 pmBecause they can’t do a push-up?
Comment by screamingeagleboy — July 10, 2007 @ 8:33 pm
Who?
The trolls or the troops?
July 10th, 2007 at 8:35 pmI normally agree with everything veritas says…
Comment by Keith G — July 10, 2007 @ 8:34 pm
Good God, Keith!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Shouldn’t you “normally” try to think for yourself?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
July 10th, 2007 at 8:36 pmThe trolls or the troops?
Comment by Mr. President
You know you can’t do a push-up! Go on, do one now. See?
July 10th, 2007 at 8:37 pmMaybe Lieberman believes killing a large number of Muslims is beneficial to Israel. He is wrong. It is counter-productive.
July 10th, 2007 at 8:37 pmShouldn’t you “normally†try to think for yourself?!?
Irony isn’t yer strength, is it, you bootlicking Bushbot?
July 10th, 2007 at 8:38 pmI do think for myself and veritas agrees with me.
July 10th, 2007 at 8:38 pmMr. P and his buddies are the ones who sound like they are having a circle jerk.
July 10th, 2007 at 8:38 pmSays the right wing, boot licking, talking point repeating, trolling twerp that repeats everything his other personalities say.
July 10th, 2007 at 8:39 pmI agree with eveything in my Karl Rove Talking Points Manual.
Mr. Pee
July 10th, 2007 at 8:39 pmRepukes don’t know how to think for themselves.
They’re all brainwashed idiots spewing propaganda and marching in lockstep.
July 10th, 2007 at 8:39 pm“Shouldn’t you “normally†try to think for yourself?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!”
-Mr. President
Pretty ironic comment coming from a man who imitates the man who outsourced thinking to KKKarl “Turdblossom” Rove!
July 10th, 2007 at 8:41 pmECHO… ECHo… ECho… Echo… echo…
Did anyone else hear that echo?
Damn, it’s like a gosh darn echo-chamber in here!
July 10th, 2007 at 8:41 pmRightwingers don’t want to think for themselves: it’s hard, and scary, and entails personal responsibility.
Freedom from choice, is what they want.
That’s why rghtwingers idolize authoritarian “daddy” types to protect them. Can’t they take care of themselves?
July 10th, 2007 at 8:42 pmMaybe Lieberman believes killing a large number of Muslims is beneficial to Israel. He is wrong. It is counter-productive.
Comment by Keith G
I don’t think killing them is the issue. Controling them and controling the resources in their countries. That makes more sence to me. Like what we are doing in Iraq.
July 10th, 2007 at 8:43 pmDid anyone else hear that echo?
That’s not an echo: it’s a crowd shouting “shut up, dumbass.”
July 10th, 2007 at 8:43 pmDamn, it’s like a gosh darn echo-chamber in here!
Comment by Mr. President — July 10, 2007 @ 8:41 pm
Sorry. I thought it was my turn to spout the Librul talking points.
July 10th, 2007 at 8:44 pmI agree with eveything in my Karl Rove Talking Points Manual.
Mr. Pee
Comment by Egreggious
Is that the New Leather Bound St. Ronnie Edition?
July 10th, 2007 at 8:45 pmOur troops need at least a year between combat deployments, but the Repukes refuse to give them that.
July 10th, 2007 at 8:45 pmcontroling the resources in their countries
Bush didn’t invade Iraq for the oil: that’s just a side benefit.
Bush invaded Iraq because he needed a boost in the polls.
As usual, the dope had no idea what’s a rat’s nest he was walking into.
It’s Bush’s life story: he screws things up, then makes other people clean up his mess.
July 10th, 2007 at 8:46 pm“Did anyone else hear that echo?”
The echo is caused by the words reverberating around your hollow skull.
July 10th, 2007 at 8:46 pmre #110 Comment by screamingeagleboy
Yes, they would like to control Iraq and other parts of the middle east with little violence, but it is extremely unrealistic. It has the false assumption that the natives won’t mind us doing it because we are so wonderful. That they won’t mind us controlling their oil or having fourteen permanent bases there or controlling their elections.
July 10th, 2007 at 8:47 pmOur troops need at least a year between combat deployments, but the Repukes refuse to give them that.
Comment by Tom3
Hey Tom3; am I crazy or do I remember Chimpy making that promise in a SOTUS a couple of years ago?
July 10th, 2007 at 8:47 pmSorry. I thought it was my turn to spout the Librul talking points.
Comment by Egreggious — July 10, 2007 @ 8:44 pm
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No. You must wait for your cue.
July 10th, 2007 at 8:47 pm…
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Okay. Now you may spout..
It does sound like an echo chamber when you say something so stupid that everybody in the room turns to stare at what a fu*king moron you are. Moron.
July 10th, 2007 at 8:47 pmFor the Bush administration, the marketing of the “surge” in Iraq more and more looks like an ad for a Hollywood flop. In this case, the box office numbers are in and the film is a dismal failure. And yet a small but reliable group of friendly critics continues to offer rave reviews for “Iraq: The Surge.”
For the details, see:
July 10th, 2007 at 8:48 pm“Iraq Surge Wins Rave Reviews.”
It has the false assumption that the natives won’t mind us doing it because we are so wonderful. That they won’t mind us controlling their oil or having fourteen permanent bases there or controlling their elections.
Comment by Keith G — July 10, 2007 @ 8:47 pm
Why can’t the brown people be more like Americans?
July 10th, 2007 at 8:49 pmOnce again, Mr President proves that he is Falco and Ringo also.
Something that is against the terms of service, but Think Progress won’t do anything about, so the troll will continue posting under multiple names.
TP treats the trolls the way the Democrats treat the Republicans.
July 10th, 2007 at 8:49 pmSt. Ronnie of Reagan, the patron saint of adult incontinence.
July 10th, 2007 at 8:50 pmWebb ought to just walk up to lieberman and kick his ass.
July 10th, 2007 at 8:50 pmbut it is extremely unrealistic. It has the false assumption that the natives won’t mind us doing it because we are so wonderful.
Comment by Keith G
I agree. These same warmongers approached Bush41 and Clinton with the same plan and they were wise enough to look down the road.
I guess this is the first mistake of command; underestimating the enemy.
Maybe a little experience in combat could have taught them something
July 10th, 2007 at 8:50 pmWebb ought to just walk up to lieberman and kick his ass.
Comment by BARTLEBEE
Maybe Joe should walk up to Webb and kiss his.
July 10th, 2007 at 8:51 pmWhy can’t the brown people be more like Americans?
Comment by Egreggious
Oh God, we are surrender monkeys!
July 10th, 2007 at 8:53 pmBush didn’t invade Iraq for the oil: that’s just a side benefit.
Comment by Arthur C.
Link below is to the March 2001 map from Cheney’s Energy Task Force (obtained by Judicial Watch) showing Iraq’s oil fields divided into “exploration blocks”.
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/211/466503255_f7bb4d5e85_o.jpg
July 10th, 2007 at 8:56 pmZooey’s off on another thread right now. I imagine she’ll be back with her stinging wit soon.
Comment by Egreggious — July 10, 2007 @ 8:30 pm
Heh. That’s funny, Egreggious. Thanks for holding my spot. :D
Hello, screamingeagleboy. I’m assuming we’ve met…?
July 10th, 2007 at 8:56 pmHello, screamingeagleboy. I’m assuming we’ve met…?
Comment by Zooey
Oh, yeah. i think we met at the Quik-E-Mart once. You were getting Cheese Puffs. And a Box-O-Wine
July 10th, 2007 at 8:59 pmthat should have stung him
July 10th, 2007 at 8:59 pmthat should have stung him
Comment by Keith G
Oooo. I missed that Keith. Nice. Zap him a link to the Hydrocarbon Law when he comes back.
July 10th, 2007 at 9:01 pmYes screaming, one the benchmarks the Iraqi government is supposed to agree to is that Iraq gives up to 80% of the oil revenues to the big five oil corporations.
Now why won’t the Iraqis agree with giving their resources to the big oil corporations? Must be something wrong with these people!
July 10th, 2007 at 9:04 pmOh, yeah. i think we met at the Quik-E-Mart once. You were getting Cheese Puffs. And a Box-O-Wine
Comment by screamingeagleboy
Oh yes….it’s hard to keep the squiggly straw in the Big Box-O-Wine, but it’s worth the effort. I’ve heard you’re an inventor. :D
July 10th, 2007 at 9:05 pm135. Comment by Keith G
That and all the NeoCon signitures at the end of it.
July 10th, 2007 at 9:05 pmI meant eggregious being stung by Zooey’s wit.
July 10th, 2007 at 9:06 pmNow why won’t the Iraqis agree with giving their resources to the big oil corporations? Must be something wrong with these people!
Comment by Keith G
That’s why Condi goes to Iraq for “diplomacy” and tells them to pass the damn oil law.
July 10th, 2007 at 9:06 pmOh yes….it’s hard to keep the squiggly straw in the Big Box-O-Wine, but it’s worth the effort. I’ve heard you’re an inventor. :D
Comment by Zooey
Still in the developement stage. No test subjects :{
July 10th, 2007 at 9:07 pmI meant eggregious being stung by Zooey’s wit.
Comment by Keith G
I didn’t mean it that way! :{
July 10th, 2007 at 9:07 pmI meant eggregious being stung by Zooey’s wit.
Comment by Keith G
Ahh, I missed that one. But it is rapier-like.
July 10th, 2007 at 9:08 pmStill in the developement stage.
Comment by screamingeagleboy — July 10, 2007 @ 9:07 pm
I thought you were talking about the squiggly straw.
July 10th, 2007 at 9:10 pmStill in the developement stage. No test subjects :{
Comment by screamingeagleboy
People have no sense of humor….
July 10th, 2007 at 9:10 pmThat’s why Condi goes to Iraq for “diplomacy†and tells them to pass the damn oil law.
Comment by Zooey
and I’m sure she handled it with the same light touch she used last summer in Lebanon.
July 10th, 2007 at 9:10 pmPeople have no sense of humor….
Comment by Zooey
My point exactly
July 10th, 2007 at 9:11 pmand I’m sure she handled it with the same light touch she used last summer in Lebanon.
Comment by screamingeagleboy
Her famous PMS Touch ™.
July 10th, 2007 at 9:12 pmLebanon July 2006 was just “the birth pangs of a new Middle East”
July 10th, 2007 at 9:12 pmMaybe Joe should walk up to Webb and kiss his.
Comment by screamingeagleboy — July 10, 2007 @ 8:51 pm
Which would assure the other.
July 10th, 2007 at 9:13 pm“the birth pangs of a new Middle Eastâ€
Comment by Condi — July 10, 2007 @ 9:12 pm
Stillborn.
July 10th, 2007 at 9:14 pmIn fact, I heard lieberman tried that once.
July 10th, 2007 at 9:14 pmLebanon July 2006 was just “the birth pangs of a new Middle Eastâ€
Comment by Condi
As if you ever pushed anything out of that dried up old cooch. :D
July 10th, 2007 at 9:15 pmWhich is why he talks that way now…
July 10th, 2007 at 9:15 pmWhich would assure the other.
Comment by BARTLEBEE
After all the surprising stuff Joe has been saying and doing since meeting with McCain and AEI, nothing he did now would surprise me.
July 10th, 2007 at 9:15 pmHer famous PMS Touch â„¢.
Comment by Zooey
I tell ya, she is clearly the fashion doll of the war mongers. Those shoes are to die for (as many troops have found out).
July 10th, 2007 at 9:17 pmStillborn.
Comment by Egreggious
Ironicly; stem cell research could have saved it.
July 10th, 2007 at 9:18 pmLieberman and his neo-con pals do live in an alternate version of reality. They talk about how well things are going in Iraq, at a time when the Green Zone was under attack:
At least 20 mortar rounds and Katyusha rockets struck the fortified Green Zone on Tuesday afternoon, killing an American service member and two other people in an attack on the heart of U.S. and Iraqi government facilities in the capital.
Rash of insurgent shells falls on Iraq’s Green Zone
The Green Zone is supposedly the safe area in Baghdad, heavily guarded and fortified. But even that compound is not out of reach of the Iraqi insurgency.
What more evidence do they want that things are not going “swimmingly” in Iraq? Oh, right, I forgot. The Bush cultists like their Kool-Aid in heavy doses.
July 10th, 2007 at 9:18 pmAs if you ever pushed anything out of that dried up old cooch. :D
Comment by Zooey — July 10, 2007 @ 9:15 pm
July 10th, 2007 at 9:19 pm——————————————————————————–
Shallow.
You were talking about squiggly straws!
Now I know how Mr. Pee must feel.
July 10th, 2007 at 9:20 pmShallow.
Comment by Mr. President — July 10, 2007 @ 9:19 pm
Correction: Dried up old shallow cooch.
July 10th, 2007 at 9:21 pmLieberman’s response to Webb as to where he got his opinions on how well we’re doing in Iraq?
“Hang on a second, colleague buddy dude. Hhhhrrrrrrnnnnnnnnggggggghhhhhhh*farting sounds* Here ya go, that’s where I got it.”
(Sorry to all the ladies and gentlemen on the Blog for that visual image…)
July 10th, 2007 at 9:21 pm(Sorry to all the ladies and gentlemen on the Blog for that visual image…)
Comment by Jeremy — July 10, 2007 @ 9:21 pm
At least it got that Condi image out of my head.
July 10th, 2007 at 9:23 pmShallow.
Comment by Mr. President
Humor.
July 10th, 2007 at 9:26 pmLIEberman wouldn’t know what defeat looked like if hit him in the face with a 2 x 4.
July 10th, 2007 at 9:26 pm.
At least it got that Condi image out of my head.
Comment by Egreggious
Yeah, that did it…. Oy.
July 10th, 2007 at 9:27 pmCHENEY 2008!!!!!
Not shallow?
July 10th, 2007 at 9:27 pmAt least it got that Condi image out of my head.
Comment by Egreggious,/em>
There she is; Condi, drunk and passed out in your toolshed (I don’t know why), and you think to yourself “I could hit that”. Her skirt, nice skirt trendy yet classic, is ruffled up around her waist and her granny panties are in a bunch, gathered for you to peer; and you peer. And just like the gap in her teeth….
Tune in NEXT WEEK for more EGREGGIOUS CLAIMS.
drink more ovaltine
July 10th, 2007 at 9:27 pmLIEberman wouldn’t know what defeat looked like if hit him in the face with a 2 x 4.
Comment by pleuge — July 10, 2007 @ 9:26 pm
Now there’s an image I can get into.
July 10th, 2007 at 9:28 pmwhat is wrong with me?
July 10th, 2007 at 9:28 pmwhat is wrong with me?
Comment by screamingeagleboy — July 10, 2007 @ 9:28 pm
We all make formatting errors from time to time.
July 10th, 2007 at 9:30 pmTune in NEXT WEEK for more EGREGGIOUS CLAIMS.
drink more ovaltine
Comment by screamingeagleboy
Why!? WHY?
*clawing eyes out*
July 10th, 2007 at 9:36 pmDisingenuous babble by two warlords that enjoy the killing. One promised to vote to end the war and is a democrat. He did not, he voted to continue it.
One was a democrat until his pedigree showed he was a hard right wing fanatic for war if against the members of his religion. he voted for continuing the war.
Both of these men are despicable traitors by denying the will of the people of this country and should do the right thing and resign, prior to doing community service that doesn’t involve important decisions or the lives of human beings. If they wish to connect their pensions, do something worthwhile. Clean toilets at Walter Reed where you have both known about the terror and torture to our own people, and have done nothing.
Your services are no longer required
July 10th, 2007 at 9:37 pm*clawing eyes out*
Comment by Zooey — July 10, 2007 @ 9:36 pm
Calm down. Just think “Lieberman, 2 x 4, Lieberman, 2 x 4.”
Isn’t that better?
July 10th, 2007 at 9:38 pmWhy!? WHY?
*clawing eyes out*
Comment by Zooey
Always leave em wanting more.
July 10th, 2007 at 9:42 pmIf you think that is bad you should check out the Cheney in a grass skirt nightmare in the other thread
July 10th, 2007 at 9:44 pmI think Webb and the dems are playing this Very Smart. They aren’t taking the politically risky step of cutting off funds for the troops…But they are achieving the same goal by blocking Bush’s ability to extend the length of troop deployment .
July 10th, 2007 at 9:45 pmWebb’s bio makes him the perfect point man for this strategy.
Support the Troops…..Give them a BREAK.
Calm down. Just think “Lieberman, 2 x 4, Lieberman, 2 x 4.â€
Isn’t that better?
Comment by Egreggious
Thank you…..much better.
Whew! Thanks for talking me down, Egreggious. :D
July 10th, 2007 at 9:45 pmIf you think that is bad you should check out the Cheney in a grass skirt nightmare in the other thread
Comment by screamingeagleboy — July 10, 2007 @ 9:44 pm
I have combined all these images into one. “Death throes” comes to mind for some reason.
July 10th, 2007 at 9:46 pmI have combined all these images into one. “Death throes†comes to mind for some reason.
Comment by Egreggious
Ours? Or theirs?
July 10th, 2007 at 9:48 pmI think the Repugs are taking a beating this week.
Chertoff’s “I feel a terrorist attack coming” is the real giveaway.
July 10th, 2007 at 9:48 pmAllow me to illustrate for you the images of war;
Dicky drunk in your toolshed ( I don’t know why) swaying to the music. His grey nipples peaking at you from behind the flowered lay. You can just here the gentle hummm of his pace-maker over the crashing waves (in your toolshed). A passion builds within you! There is movement! In your pants!
Ahhhh. you wake up, alone in bed. And, of course, you choose death rather than run the risk of having that dream again.
July 10th, 2007 at 9:51 pmIt is certainly laudatory that Webb is advocating for more rest time for U.S. troops. But he, like the vast majority of Democrats, is treating the symptom and not the cause. One would have thought that Webb, a Vietnam veteran, would realize that more American troops are going to be returning to this country maimed and crippled as long as those troops are kept unnecessarily, for no justifiable reason, in Iraq. Instead of talking about more rest for the troops, Webb should be demanding that those troops be returned to this country as quickly and as rapidly as possible. But he, like so many of his fellow Democrats, inexplicably refuses to do so.
July 10th, 2007 at 9:52 pmChertoff’s “I feel a terrorist attack coming†is the real giveaway.
Comment by Egreggious
it’s either write off a plan that has been in the works for 14 years just as it’s about to take shape…..or…..false flag.
What do you think they will choose?
July 10th, 2007 at 9:54 pmWhat do you think they will choose?
Comment by screamingeagleboy — July 10, 2007 @ 9:54 pm
Even Pee could answer that one.
July 10th, 2007 at 9:56 pmEven Pee could answer that one.
Comment by Egreggious
Time for another Liberty or will they opt for a Gulf of Tunkin?
July 10th, 2007 at 9:58 pmRemember the Maine. Remember the Lusitania. Remember the Maddox. What this country needs is a New Pearl Harbor.
July 10th, 2007 at 10:02 pm…There is movement! In your pants!
Ahhhh. you wake up, alone in bed. And, of course, you choose death rather than run the risk of having that dream again.
Comment by screamingeagleboy
Thank goodness I don’t have “movement” in my pants. :P
July 10th, 2007 at 10:18 pmMaybe Mr President will do a “Jake” and move to http://www.tpmmuckraker.com!
Troll posts are like fingerprints, I would bet my last bottom dollar that is our “beloved” Jake now posting there!
July 10th, 2007 at 10:23 pmThank goodness I don’t have “movement†in my pants. :P
Comment by Zooey
Well, it’s kind of a guy homophobic-crisis nightmare mixed in with a little Cheney anxiety. i certainly hope there is no movement…ah nevermind.
July 10th, 2007 at 10:23 pmTime for another Liberty or will they opt for a Gulf of Tunkin?
Comment by screamingeagleboy — July 10, 2007 @ 9:58 pm
They want “think” the smoking gun will be a mushroom cloud, remember? You are thinking too small. I’ve been thinking about what possible targets they would choose for a real, devastating false flag that could send the country into a horrific spiral, do the most damage to their enemies, and be most likely to solidify their control. The two obvious choices would be Los Angeles and New York, NY. However, would that be the wisest choice? The EM pulse from a nuke would do quite a number to the economy of the wealthy to whom PNAC are beholden, based greatly in NYC. Same with the tech industry, in Cali. Not to mention LA would be a REALLY obvious target for a false flag.
Nope, I’m thinking something they’d go for something a bit more…old school. Washington D.C. When the shit really hits the fan (like if Cindy Sheehan’s march on Washington ends up being as huge as it has the potential to be), look for Bush to go on vacation, and for Cheney to make yet another “surprise visit” to Iraq. With potentially a million or more Americans most dead-set against the war, and by proxy this administration, along with much of the opposition to the administration (Congress, etc), all in one place…BOOM! Yes, you heard me right. I fully believe that those who have done so much to set a totalitarian regime in place, such as Bush and company have done, would be more than willing to destroy the nation’s capitol to get their way.
If a bunch of Republicans and the more corporate-owned Democrats also just so happen to not be in D.C. when it goes down? You then know who the enemy truly are.
Just remember, this is the meme THEY ALWAYS PUSH. If we don’t , the smoking gun will be a mushroom cloud. This is THEIR vision of how it will go down, from THEIR OWN LIPS. If America is nuked at a time when the Bush administration is backed against the wall, and the final knells of their administration’s death are heard, it is all-but guaranteed to be the final, desperate false flag to end all false flags.
My other thought was that McCain was setting himself up to be a (wait for it, because the irony is thick)…martyr. If McCain goes over to Baghdad for his trip, during a time when the violence is rife, it could happen. Especially since he publicly announced exactly when and where he would be to the world last week. When McCain made that unusual, out-of-the-blue, oddly-timed announcement of his near-future visit, those little alarm bells one gets when something isn’t quite right starting ringing.
Hopefully, it won’t come to that.
July 10th, 2007 at 10:31 pmWhy does anyone pay any attention to Traitor Joe LIEberman’s rants?
July 10th, 2007 at 10:46 pmI’ve just returned to scan the threads for good information as I always do and I see I’ve set some tongue wagging against me. This was inadvertent on my part as I was not familiar with Some Guy. Frankly, I thought he was that No One Troll who has been mangling our threads of discussion here all day.
I openly apologize to Some Guy for misinterpreting your attempt at sarcasm. All I saw was the ridicule of Viet Vets and the blah, blah, blah and I’d decided that it wasn’t something credible to spend my time reading, as I do with all troll posts.
I may be a comment bully; however, I try to maintain an open mind when it comes to differing opinions; however, it’s not always possible to do so with the persistent nonsense on these threads provided by the trolls. Actually, when I scan the posts the following morning, I am horrified at how degenerated the comments become, thanks to the trolls.
If I’ve somehow inadvertently personally offended you, Zooey, I cannot imagine what it would have been that I said – other than obvious differences in opinion which will occur between kindred spirits as well as with trolls. I’m no one’s mouthpiece and never will be. I like to believe that I am an independent thinker who is searching to not only find truth in this world of ours but live an authentic existence.
Again, Some Guy, my sincere apologies to you for misinterpreteting your intentions. I had dinner plans and couldn’t get back here until now or I would have apologized to you long before this.
Peace to all!
July 10th, 2007 at 10:46 pmFortnately, I have developed a thick skin or I would take offense myself to some of the personal attacks against me here tonight. Certainly everyone is entitled to their opinion and I’m sorry if I’ve ruffled feathers but, like so many of my friends who have become turned off with all of the harassing troll comments and harassment, perhaps it’s best for me to restrict my commentary to other blogs where people are kinder to each other. We’re all on the same page attempting to bring justice to this country. It’s quite possible that after battling trolls all day, my level of frustration was over the top just like some I’ve seen here tonight (even Spudge!) and maybe it’s time to take a break for a while.
Sorry if I’ve unintentionally ruffled feathers of kindred spirits or offended anyone.
Sweet dreams, all.
July 10th, 2007 at 10:50 pmCome on Lefties, respond, let’s see if you can sound more sappy than veritas!
July 10th, 2007 at 11:15 pmIf I’ve somehow inadvertently personally offended you, Zooey, I cannot imagine what it would have been that I said – other than obvious differences in opinion which will occur between kindred spirits as well as with trolls. I’m no one’s mouthpiece and never will be. I like to believe that I am an independent thinker who is searching to not only find truth in this world of ours but live an authentic existence.
Peace to all!
Comment by veritas
Thank you, veritas, I appreciate that.
I took offense Sunday at you calling Briseadh na Faire a troll and some sort of whackjob. He and I have been friends for quite some time, and it shocked me to see you saying that.
July 10th, 2007 at 11:24 pmI took offense Sunday at you calling Briseadh na Faire a troll and some sort of whackjob. He and I have been friends for quite some time, and it shocked me to see you saying that.
Comment by Zooey — July 10, 2007 @ 11:24 pm
See, I thought that was a name hijacking, myself. If I’m not mistaken, that was an instance of Veritas not having his usual linkage in his name, when he had the normal link both before and after that comment. With regards to the commenting about Briseadh na Faire (who is definitely NOT a troll), I mean.
July 10th, 2007 at 11:32 pmSee, I thought that was a name hijacking, myself. If I’m not mistaken, that was an instance of Veritas not having his usual linkage in his name, when he had the normal link both before and after that comment.
Comment by Moderation — July 10, 2007 @ 11:32 pm
For the record, Veritas is a woman.
July 10th, 2007 at 11:42 pmModeration,
That’s why as I asked for clarification at the time. All of the comments were linked, but it didn’t seem right. Later, he came back and tossed off that he’d read too fast and mis-interpreted. I just felt like it was rather off-hand, and would like for him to slow down and read more carefully.
I guess he has a right to think BnF is a troll or whackjob, but I happen to disagree.
July 10th, 2007 at 11:42 pmFor the record, Veritas is a woman.
Comment by Lora — July 10, 2007 @ 11:42 pm
Argh, thanks very much for telling me that! I could’ve sworn I’d seen her referred to as “he” or “him” multiple times with no dispute. Now I know, and shall address her properly. :)
July 10th, 2007 at 11:44 pmFor the record, Veritas is a woman.
Comment by Lora
Yikes, that’s what I thought, but I’ve seen references to “him” so I thought I’d missed something.
Sorry, veritas.
July 10th, 2007 at 11:44 pmDear Senator Webb,
He pulls them out of his ass (I-Israel)
July 10th, 2007 at 11:58 pmFor the record, Veritas is a woman.
Comment by Lora
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For the record, Veritas is a lesbian trannie.
July 11th, 2007 at 1:09 amDoesn’t this Senator Webb have a son in Iraq that is killing 650,000+ Iraqis?
He’s killed a few over in Nam. Like father like son.
Comment by Flaco
July 11th, 2007 at 1:12 am————————————————————————————–
Give his son a medal for bravery and going along with the invasion of a sovereign nation.
What’s up Flaco!
July 11th, 2007 at 1:13 amSIMPLE QUESTION: “I don’t know where Sen. Lieberman gets his opinions about how well we’re doing.”
SIMPLE ANSWER: It’s quite simple. He pulls them out of his butt.
NEXT QUESTION: ???
July 11th, 2007 at 1:23 amHeyooooooooooOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooooo!
PiP
I love the US greatest on earth hands down.
July 11th, 2007 at 1:33 amI do too, Flaco, I do too.
July 11th, 2007 at 1:40 amIf republicans want to support the troops they must vote for this bill. We owe it to our troops to pass this bill. It is the humane and morally right thing to do. Our troops deserve this time of rest between deployments. Lieberman who never served in Vietnam should listen to Webb who did. Those who vote against this bill will not show good faith to our brave troops who must have rest between deployments. It is time to put our troops before this war.
July 11th, 2007 at 3:15 amHe gets’em from his sugar daddies Dubya and Dick!
July 11th, 2007 at 7:37 amYou don’t want to know
July 11th, 2007 at 8:44 amI say the Dems should be repeatedly forcing these filibusters to happen. If the GOP threatens to be obstructionist, then they should be called on their bluff. And if it isn’t a bluff, if they do obstruct, at least the Dems will be working towards their goals, rather than backing down and looking weak-willed.
July 11th, 2007 at 11:16 amveritas, if you’re still out there, apology accepted. let’s move on.
(i had a longer reply, but like you got pulled away for a time now it’s too old.)
July 12th, 2007 at 10:40 pmGreetings;
Now that troops have started to be called up AGAIN for now the FIFTH time, it is clear there will be ever more vets needing psychological help for many years. Since the Pentagon is now classifying many disturbed vets as having pre-existing “personality problems”, thus making them ineligible for any help post discharge, this mess will be escalating exponentially, this inept Administration notwithstanding.
As a citizen, I’m disgusted. Fantasyland has taken over, and Congress , to this point, has appeared pretty weak.
A.W.
July 17th, 2007 at 3:55 pm