19 percent:
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19 percent:
Number of Americans who “believe that the U.S. troop surge in Iraq was a success.” Just 38 percent of Republicans consider the President’s strategy successful.
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PLEASE DO NOT FEED THE TROLLS!
July 11th, 2007 at 3:25 pmLaughable.
July 11th, 2007 at 3:26 pmWow, that means that 81% of the people in our country support al Qaeda. And that 81% of the people in our country are surrender monkeys. I’m impressed.
July 11th, 2007 at 3:26 pmThe surge just started a couple weeks ago.
July 11th, 2007 at 3:27 pm38% of Repubs - party loyalty over loyalty to our men and women in uniform and their families…
Must just be the lure of killing brown people?
July 11th, 2007 at 3:28 pmWell it depends how you define success. If success is measured in U.S. and civilian casualties, then the surge has been surge-riffic!
July 11th, 2007 at 3:28 pmI always wonder what type of people these 19%ers are. Incurable optimists or idiots?
July 11th, 2007 at 3:28 pmWow, that means that 81% of the people in our country support al Qaeda. And that 81% of the people in our country are surrender monkeys. I’m impressed.
Comment by Katie — July 11, 2007 @ 3:26 pm
As always, TP is misleading.
19% said it is a success
43% it is not a success
24% say it is too early to tell.
so, 43% say that either the surge has succeeded or it is too early to tell. the same amount that say that the surge has failed. Sounds like a split right down the middle. Poor TP, run by incompented, communist propagandists. You are only fooling people with IQs less than 80.
Seems to me that this is a none story TP. But of course you report it this way because you know that your readers, the LIbtards, are too stupid to go read the Rasmussen Poll on their own. They love being fed spoon storied from TP.
how truly pathetic.
July 11th, 2007 at 3:31 pmI always wonder what type of people these 19%ers are. Incurable optimists or idiots?
Comment by pk — July 11, 2007 @ 3:28 pm
People who work for Raytheon, Boeing, SAIC, Lockheed Martin, and the hundreds of other companies who get money from the Pentagon. That might add up to a good 10% all told…
July 11th, 2007 at 3:31 pm558 days left of this seemingly endless hangover…
July 11th, 2007 at 3:33 pm#7
They not instant gratification like u.
July 11th, 2007 at 3:33 pmhow truly pathetic.
Comment by conservatron — July 11, 2007 @ 3:31 pm
What’s misleading? The poll says that 19% consider the surge a success. The TP headline says that 19% consider the surge a success. You’re quoting a namejack.
July 11th, 2007 at 3:36 pmYou would think that if somebody was going to repost the same thing to make sure the right person was addressed, they would fix their grammar to make it seem like english.
Oh wait, it’s Flaco/Ringo/Mr President/PIP
July 11th, 2007 at 3:38 pmPLEASE DO NOT FEED THE FLACCID TROLL!
July 11th, 2007 at 3:38 pm…was a success
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“Was” ?….It’s only just begun.
July 11th, 2007 at 3:39 pmWhat’s misleading? The poll says that 19% consider the surge a success. The TP headline says that 19% consider the surge a success. You’re quoting a namejack.
Comment by toasterhead
They have nothing meaningful to say, Toaster. There’s not a single, solitary point they can go to that makes Brusch look good at this point. That’s why they resort to personal attacks and ridicule immediately. Their side is going down harder than Boris Yeltsin at a New Year’s Eve party in Red Square.
July 11th, 2007 at 3:40 pmThe Liar-in-Chief said he speaks for what the American people want yet the polls show different. Who do we believe a Liar or the American people. How long will Americans allow this to continue before our country to to weak to defend itself. If all Americans even the trolls don’t take a stand to stop is we all lose. Bush has even told the press he doesn’t have to answer to them or anyone in other words the American people can just KISS HIS BUTT.
July 11th, 2007 at 3:41 pmconservatron sez:
massage those poll numbers all you like, consie, but they’re not going to get any kinder.
43% say that the surge has failed. It’s obvious that it has failed so far, and 43% of people are voicing the opinion that it is not possible that it succeed in the future.
24% say that it is too early to tell. These people are admitting that the sure is not a success yet (again, an observation in line with the observed conditions), but hold forth with the opinion that it could prove to be successful in the future.
19% say that the surge is already a success…a viewpoint that is wildly at odds with the observable conditions, and serves only to prove that 19% of Americans are firmly divorced from reality.
You might want to refrain from attempting to talk derisively about other people’s IQs, considering that “incompented” is not a word.
Seems to me that the word you’re groping for is non, as in a non-story. Seems to me that this is another compelling argument against your sad attempts to deride the IQs of others.
July 11th, 2007 at 3:42 pmDoes that mean now we can call our resident moron trolls 19%ers?
hehehe
July 11th, 2007 at 3:42 pmhow truly pathetic.
Comment by conservatron — July 11, 2007 @ 3:31 pm
What’s misleading? The poll says that 19% consider the surge a success. The TP headline says that 19% consider the surge a success. You’re quoting a namejack.
Comment by toasterhead — July 11, 2007 @ 3:36 pm
are you truly this stupid? by ONLY saying in the headline that 19% consider the surge a success, Libtards who are known to be emotional and not read the whole story will assume that everyone else believes the surge to be a failure. As the Rasmussen Poll clearly states, this is far, far from the case since only 43% consider the surge a failure, with 19% considering a success and 24% saying it is too early to tell.
clearly 43% of those polled disagree with the other 43% that say that surge is a failure.
It is well known in journalism schools that 99% of Americans only read headlines and don’t bother to dive into the story. It is also known that 99% of headlines are misleading and do not support the story below them.
now please get a clue and an education. Do yourself this favor, ok?
July 11th, 2007 at 3:43 pmwas a success
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“Was†?….It’s only just begun.
Comment by Ringo — July 11, 2007 @ 3:39 pm
Proving further how deluded the 19%ers are.
July 11th, 2007 at 3:43 pmnow please get a clue and an education. Do yourself this favor, ok?
Comment by Conservatron
Follow your own advice.
July 11th, 2007 at 3:44 pmDon’t look now, your ignorance is showing
Does that mean now we can call our resident moron trolls 19%ers?
hehehe
Comment by Wayne — July 11, 2007 @ 3:42 pm
READ the story TP linked you to. Do the homework you LIbtards refuse to do.
43% disagree currently disagree with the 43% that claim the surge is a failure.
Wow, no wonder you Libtards are always wrong.
pathetic imbeciles. Did your parents throw you guys too many times against a wall or something? where the fck is your brain power and ability to think for yourself? you fcking, stupid, mental midgets.
July 11th, 2007 at 3:47 pmnow please get a clue and an education. Do yourself this favor, ok?
Comment by Conservatron
Follow your own advice.
Don’t look now, your ignorance is showing
Comment by Wayne — July 11, 2007 @ 3:44 pm
wow, this is the best you have? wow…..no wonder you are a Libtard, dumb, stupid, easily fooled, easily mislead, drooling over a silly headline that only speaks in half-truths.
Wayne do yourself a favor and shut up. Stop posting here, you are bringing down the IQ level of this site. It is quite low already since it is full of Libtards, but you are putting it in the single digits.
July 11th, 2007 at 3:49 pmconservatron sez:
And it’s well known that 43% of statistics are made up on the spot.
consie, this isn’t Red State or LGF. We’re actually readers here. Thanks for looking out for us, though.
July 11th, 2007 at 3:51 pmOur resident troll is spinning like mad, but even he can’t spin this to look like the glowing success we were promised six months ago.
Sez the troll — “43% say that either the surge has succeeded or it is too early to tell. the same amount that say that the surge has failed. Sounds like a split right down the middle”.
The only way to get a “split right down the middle” is to assume that every one of the “too early to tells” believes it was a success. That’s a BIG stretch.
And bolstering an argument by name-calling is sheer desperation.
To quote the troll — “how truly pathetic”.
July 11th, 2007 at 3:51 pmFor the Bush administration, the marketing of the “surge” in Iraq more and more looks like an ad for a Hollywood flop. In this case, the box office numbers are in and the film is a dismal failure. And yet a small but reliable group of friendly critics continues to offer rave reviews for “Iraq: The Surge.”
For the details, see:
July 11th, 2007 at 3:52 pm“Iraq Surge Wins Rave Reviews.”
conservatron sez:
so, 43% say that either the surge has succeeded or it is too early to tell. the same amount that say that the surge has failed. Sounds like a split right down the middle.
massage those poll numbers all you like, consie, but they’re not going to get any kinder.
43% say that the surge has failed. It’s obvious that it has failed so far, and 43% of people are voicing the opinion that it is not possible that it succeed in the future.
24% say that it is too early to tell. These people are admitting that the sure is not a success yet (again, an observation in line with the observed conditions), but hold forth with the opinion that it could prove to be successful in the future.
19% say that the surge is already a success…a viewpoint that is wildly at odds with the observable conditions, and serves only to prove that 19% of Americans are firmly divorced from reality.
Poor TP, run by incompented, communist propagandists. You are only fooling people with IQs less than 80.
You might want to refrain from attempting to talk derisively about other people’s IQs, considering that “incompented†is not a word.
Seems to me that this is a none story TP
Seems to me that the word you’re groping for is non, as in a non-story. Seems to me that this is another compelling argument against your sad attempts to deride the IQs of others.
Comment by TripMaster Monkey — July 11, 2007 @ 3:42 pm
clearly a desperate attempt from a left wing lunatic to justify his pathetic existance. How are those black helicopter conspiracy theories going. Remember, don’t ever take off your tinfoil hat, Karl Rove will read your mind. ssssscccccaaaaaarrrrrrryyyyyyy…..right? BOO! hahahaha!!!! fcking retard.
Nice try my Libtard, but you are still wrong.
I don’t know whether I should pit you or cry for you, let me know which one you prefer son.
man you Libtards are stupid and so easily fooled.
Tripboy, you are wasting valuable air, do the world a favor and jump off a building or something.
July 11th, 2007 at 3:54 pmThe sign of someone who knows full well he/she is full of shit, resort to name calling.
19% said the surge succeed.
That means 81% feels the surge HASN’T succeeded (which does NOT mean it failed)
43% said it failed.
43% don’t know enough yet => which, contrary to your weak attempt at logic, does NOT mean anything except they don’t know.
But, I guess it’s usual for you idiot hypocrites to blatantly do the same thing you accuse the other side of doing.
Go back to 3rd grade and get a real education.
July 11th, 2007 at 3:55 pmConservatron sez:
I explained the meanings behind the three groups quite comprehensively in my earlier post, Consie.
Lumping together the 19% who think the surge is already a success and the 24% who think it is too early to tell, to manufacture a 43% number to oppose the 43% that think the surge is a failure, is intellectually dishonest. Once again, the neocon mouth-breathers project their own misdeeds onto their opponents. Quelle surprise.
July 11th, 2007 at 3:56 pmconservatron sez:
It is well known in journalism schools that 99% of Americans only read headlines and don’t bother to dive into the story. It is also known that 99% of headlines are misleading and do not support the story below them.
And it’s well known that 43% of statistics are made up on the spot.
consie, this isn’t Red State or LGF. We’re actually readers here. Thanks for looking out for us, though.
Comment by TripMaster Monkey — July 11, 2007 @ 3:51 pm
still spewing left wing propaganda…..how does it feel to have a pole up your ass and being moved around by the Democratic Puppet Masters?
do tell left wing lunatic.
July 11th, 2007 at 3:56 pmConservatron sez:
43% disagree currently disagree with the 43% that claim the surge is a failure.
I explained the meanings behind the three groups quite comprehensively in my earlier post, Consie.
Lumping together the 19% who think the surge is already a success and the 24% who think it is too early to tell, to manufacture a 43% number to oppose the 43% that think the surge is a failure, is intellectually dishonest. Once again, the neocon mouth-breathers project their own misdeeds onto their opponents. Quelle surprise.
Comment by TripMaster Monkey — July 11, 2007 @ 3:56 pm
it’s intellectually dishonest because you say so? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
another Libtard with a god complex…
shut up already you idiotic lunatic, only people with an IQ below 80 believe your half-truths and fulls lies.
I already told you, go jump off a building or something, you are a waste of valuable air.
stupid fck.
July 11th, 2007 at 3:58 pmThe troll is simply going to keep repeating his non-points over and over, sucking all the air out of the room, and escalating his invective as he continues to spin mindlessly.
Why waste the effort of responding?
July 11th, 2007 at 3:58 pmConservatron sez:
Wow…that was a rather spectacular meltdown. Pity…I was hoping for more from you, Consie…but I guess my expectations were a bit high…
July 11th, 2007 at 3:58 pmEccch..see what happens when you use an idiot’s number to justify anything? You end up wrong.
That should have been 24% don’t know, not 43% don’t know.
July 11th, 2007 at 3:59 pm19% said the surge succeed.
That means 81% feels the surge HASN’T succeeded…
Comment by Not the sharpest tool in the shed eh? — July 11, 2007 @ 3:55 pm
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No it doesn’t.
It means that 81% did not say that the surge succeeded.
There is a big difference.
July 11th, 2007 at 4:00 pmSo, basically, the Republicans are saying that everyone who spent the last five months proclaiming that the surge is working are full of shit.
I already knew that, but it’s good to see them finally fess up.
July 11th, 2007 at 4:02 pmBut, I guess it’s usual for you idiot hypocrites to blatantly do the same thing you accuse the other side of doing.
Comment by Not the sharpest tool in the shed eh? — July 11, 2007 @ 3:55 pm
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Heh.
It’s funny that you would say such a thing, considering your own faulty logic.
July 11th, 2007 at 4:03 pmIt is well known in journalism schools that 99% of Americans only read headlines and don’t bother to dive into the story. It is also known that 99% of headlines are misleading and do not support the story below them.
now please get a clue and an education. Do yourself this favor, ok?
Comment by Conservatron — July 11, 2007 @ 3:43 pm
Thanks for the tip! I actually got my degree in journalism, so I’m well aware of the mechanics of a news story.
The percentage of people saying “I don’t know” is really not the important part of a poll. This is why we rarely if ever see news stories about the President’s I Don’t Know rating. They usually refer to the approval rating, or sometimes the disapproval rating.
When fewer than one in five people polled approve of something, particularly a major foreign policy issue, that’s inherently newsworthy. A headline that states the key newsworthy fact contained in a news story is not a misleading headline. It’s probably the textbook definition of a good, concise, and accurate headline. So I really don’t believe you have a point, other than to make a desperate attempt to salvage a shred of dignity for your end of the political spectrum.
You might also keep in mind that this web site is a weblog or “blog,” as it is known in the vernacular. Unlike newspapers, which attempt to maintain a tradition of objective reporting that began in the 19th century when publishers realized they could double their profits by appealing to both sides of the political spectrum, “blogs” are known to have an ideological spin. Complaining that a headline on this website has a spin is like complaining that rain contains wetness.
July 11th, 2007 at 4:04 pmThe bottom line:
It’s too soon to tell.
July 11th, 2007 at 4:05 pmI agree that headlines don’t tell the whole story, otherwise why bother with the story. But I don’t see anything factually wrong with TP’s headline, and this is a progressive blog, after all. It’s not like we’re trying to be absolutely neutral here, even though reality actually works in our favor.
July 11th, 2007 at 4:05 pmThe bottom line:
It’s too soon to tell.
Comment by PiP — July 11, 2007 @ 4:05 pm
The bottom line for 24% of those polled.
July 11th, 2007 at 4:08 pmPiP sez:
Nice try, but no, PiP, that’s not “the bottom line”.
The “bottom line” is that 43% of those polled believe the surge to be a failure, while 19% believe it is already a success. Only 24% of those polled replied with “it’s too soon to tell”…hardly a “bottom line”.
Spin on, you crazy troll.
July 11th, 2007 at 4:08 pm19% said the surge succeed.
That means 81% feels the surge HASN’T succeeded…
Comment by Not the sharpest tool in the shed eh? — July 11, 2007 @ 3:55 pm
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No it doesn’t.
It means that 81% did not say that the surge succeeded.
There is a big difference.
Comment by PiP — July 11, 2007 @ 4:00 pm
Pip, don’t expect these lunatics to “get it”. Libtards only read the head line of this thread and ran with it. Not one of them has bothered to click on the link and read Rasmussen’s actuall poll and story.
but what can we expect, Libtards love having the news being spoon fed to them. Libtards are too lazy to do any type of research.
don’t expect too much from these mental midgets, they always disappoint.
July 11th, 2007 at 4:10 pmpathetic imbeciles. Did your parents throw you guys too many times against a wall or something? where the fck is your brain power and ability to think for yourself? you fcking, stupid, mental midgets.
Comment by Conservatron
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Well said.
The HuffPuffers, KosKids and ThunkProgressers are the worst this country has to offer….Sour, foul-mouthed, anti-Semtic, juvenile, shallow, pessimistic, spoiled, ingrates.
Not too bright either, need to be told what to think even if it contridicts what they were told to think an hour earlier.
July 11th, 2007 at 4:10 pm19 percent. Is that a lot?
July 11th, 2007 at 4:10 pmI guess it is compared to how many Americans approve of Dick Cheney.
BAWAHAHAHAHAHHAAHHAHAHAHHAHAHA
July 11th, 2007 at 4:11 pmPiP sez:
The bottom line:
It’s too soon to tell.
Nice try, but no, PiP, that’s not “the bottom lineâ€.
The “bottom line†is that 43% of those polled believe the surge to be a failure, while 19% believe it is already a success. Only 24% of those polled replied with “it’s too soon to tellâ€â€¦hardly a “bottom lineâ€.
Spin on, you crazy troll.
Comment by TripMaster Monkey — July 11, 2007 @ 4:08 pm
read this s l o w l y
19% say that the surge is a success
24% say that it is too early to tell
43% say it is a failure
Now, what percentage of people don’t fall into the 43% that say the the surge is a failure?
c’mon Trippyboy, I know you can do it. YOU CAN DO IT!!!!
July 11th, 2007 at 4:11 pmBeing called a troll is a complement ’round here.
July 11th, 2007 at 4:12 pmThe percentages keep getting smaller, as we gradually isolate the mental defectives…
July 11th, 2007 at 4:13 pmc’mon Trippyboy, I know you can do it. YOU CAN DO IT!!!!
Comment by Conservatron
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No….He can’t do it.
July 11th, 2007 at 4:14 pmRingo sez:
Bravo, Bingo! A post completely devoid of substance! One long, poorly worded ad homenim. Your Troll College professors must be so proud!
Extra points awarded for quoting another troll’s useless ad homenim rant as a jumping off point for your own, as well. Quite stylish.
July 11th, 2007 at 4:14 pm19 percent. Is that a lot?
Comment by BARTLEBEE — July 11, 2007 @ 4:10 pm
it falls right with the percentage of people that approve of Harry Reid, 19%
July 11th, 2007 at 4:15 pmc’mon Trippyboy, I know you can do it. YOU CAN DO IT!!!!
Comment by Conservatron
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No….He can’t do it.
Comment by Ringo — July 11, 2007 @ 4:14 pm
Well, I always give Libtards the benefit of the doubt.
July 11th, 2007 at 4:16 pmit falls right with the percentage of people that approve of Harry Reid, 19%
Comment by Conservatron — July 11, 2007 @ 4:15 pm
The voters will take care of Harry Reid.
And Harry Reid will not take care of the 43% who think this surge is a failure.
July 11th, 2007 at 4:19 pmTripMaster,
Thank you….Ad homenin was just what I was going for.
Although I did go a bit too easy on you guys, I think it was worded quite well actually.
July 11th, 2007 at 4:19 pmNow, what percentage of people don’t fall into the 43% that say the the surge is a failure?
c’mon Trippyboy, I know you can do it. YOU CAN DO IT!!!!
Comment by Conservatron — July 11, 2007 @ 4:11 pm
19%.
I mean, there are 57% who don’t specifically say that the surge is a failure, but 39% of those polled don’t know or don’t have an opinion yet, so they’re not really relevant except as potential responses.
July 11th, 2007 at 4:20 pmLumping together the 19% who think the surge is already a success and the 24% who think it is too early to tell, to manufacture a 43% number to oppose the 43% that think the surge is a failure, is intellectually dishonest. Once again, the neocon mouth-breathers project their own misdeeds onto their opponents. Quelle surprise.
Comment by TripMaster Monkey — July 11, 2007 @ 3:56 pm
I think you may be too hard on conservatard in claiming that it is “intellectually dishonest.”
It may just be too stupid to really know what the hell it is talking about.
On the basis of the evidence, it’s pretty much a tossup, but I’m leaning toward “too stupid”.
July 11th, 2007 at 4:20 pmConservatron sez:
47% (counting the ones who didn’t reply…you might as well count them too…it’s just as valid as lumping the other two categories together).
Here’s a couple of questions for you, Consie:
What percentage of people don’t fall into the 19% that say the the surge is a success?
What percentage of people don’t fall into the 43% that say the the outcome of the surge is too soon to tell?
Show your work, please.
(See, Consie…I can make up meaningless conclusions from polls, too. ^_^ )
July 11th, 2007 at 4:20 pmNow, what percentage of people don’t fall into the 43% that say the the surge is a failure?
c’mon Trippyboy, I know you can do it. YOU CAN DO IT!!!!
Comment by Conservatron — July 11, 2007 @ 4:11 pm
100% - 43% = 57%.
Is that the answer you were looking for?
July 11th, 2007 at 4:21 pmErratum to post #60….”47″ should read “57″….damn these long fingers…
July 11th, 2007 at 4:24 pmThanks, Egreggious…beat me to it. ^_^
July 11th, 2007 at 4:24 pmEven the Bush administration said the “Surge” would show results fairly quickly. YET ANOTHER FAILED REPUBLICAN POLICY.
Republicans: do you ever do ANYTHING right??
July 11th, 2007 at 4:24 pmIt’s not a surprise that the trolls show such dexterity at combining otherwise unrelated numbers to try to make them say something less embarrassing to their cause. They’ve had A LOT of practice at it the last few years. Facts (including poll numbers, numbers of dead servicemen, amount of money spent in Iraq, amount of money LOST in Iraq, size of deficit…) haven’t been very kind to them recently.
July 11th, 2007 at 4:25 pmWould be laughable if it weren’t so pathetic that you slugs STILL indulge the brainless, childish and repugnant among you who continue to disrupt and or derail blog topics.
DON’T make me go and get all your inane BS deleted AGAIN.
July 11th, 2007 at 4:25 pmRingo sez:
Well, Bingo…we all have our talents, I guess. Takes all kinds to make a world.
July 11th, 2007 at 4:26 pm100% - 43% = 57%.
Is that the answer you were looking for?
Comment by Egreggious — July 11, 2007 @ 4:21 pm
Ok, so now we’re comparing anti-polls. This is fun! The percentage of people who did not say the surge is a success is 81%. The percentage of people who did not say the surge is a failure is 57%.
So we still have an overwhelming majority of people who didn’t say the surge is a success when compared to the people who didn’t not say the surge is a success. There is a smaller but still decisive majority of people who didn’t say the surge is a failure when compared to those who didn’t not say it. But when you finish playing with all the numbers, the fact remains that one in five respondents didn’t not disagree with the converse of the statement that the surge is a success.
July 11th, 2007 at 4:27 pmdon’t expect too much from these mental midgets, they always disappoint.
Comment by Conservatron — July 11, 2007 @ 4:10 pm
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Heh. I don’t… oh, and you forgot to mention that they are moral midgets as well.
July 11th, 2007 at 4:28 pmAargh….another erratum to post #60.
“43% should read “24%”.
And that one’s not even a typo…just a plain old screw up. :P
July 11th, 2007 at 4:28 pmConservatron sez:
Now, what percentage of people don’t fall into the 43% that say the the surge is a failure?
47% (counting the ones who didn’t reply…you might as well count them too…it’s just as valid as lumping the other two categories together).
Here’s a couple of questions for you, Consie:
What percentage of people don’t fall into the 19% that say the the surge is a success?
What percentage of people don’t fall into the 43% that say the the outcome of the surge is too soon to tell?
Show your work, please.
(See, Consie…I can make up meaningless conclusions from polls, too. ^_^ )
Comment by TripMaster Monkey — July 11, 2007 @ 4:20 pm
poor dishonest fool, so desperate to see America fail in Iraq that you will make up anything.
Libtard,
I gave you a chance, but you failed to recongnize it or take advantage of it.
but here unlike you I’ll be honest….
67% don’t fall into the 19% that believe the surge is a success.
but this 67% is misleading since once would assume that all 67% think that the surge is a failure and by the poll number shown we all know that this is not true. Of the 67% that are not with the 19%, 43% think is a failure and 24% think it is too soon too tell. Thus, 19% plus the 24% don’t agree with the 43% that today believe that the surge is a failure. Thus, 43% disagree with the 43% that claim that today the surge is a failure.
c’mon my man, one more chance, take it, show me how smart you are. C’mon prove me wrong and show me how you are not a Libtard.
YOU CAN DO IT TRIPYBOY!!!
July 11th, 2007 at 4:29 pm100% - 43% = 57%.
Is that the answer you were looking for?
Comment by Egreggious — July 11, 2007 @ 4:21 pm
it would be if 100% of those polled would have responded, but we know that that is not the case, so it is not out of 100%.
July 11th, 2007 at 4:31 pmThanks, Egreggious…beat me to it. ^_^
Comment by TripMaster Monkey — July 11, 2007 @ 4:24 pm
But you put it much more eloquently!
July 11th, 2007 at 4:33 pmComment by Conservatron — July 11, 2007 @ 4:29 pm
Where’d you get 67%?
I told you to show your work.
July 11th, 2007 at 4:35 pmit would be if 100% of those polled would have responded, but we know that that is not the case, so it is not out of 100%.
Comment by Conservatron — July 11, 2007 @ 4:31 pm
Would you like me to do the math for you on that as well? I was just answering your question, which didn’t mention excluding those who didn’t respond. (And what did they do anyway? Just hang up the phone?)
July 11th, 2007 at 4:35 pm14% The number of Americans who give Congress a good approval rating.
July 11th, 2007 at 4:36 pmComment by Conservatron — July 11, 2007 @ 4:29 pm
Where’d you get 67%?
I told you to show your work.
Comment by TripMaster Monkey — July 11, 2007 @ 4:35 pm
hahahaha!!! yes math “teacher”. gave you a respond as I saw fit, if you don’t like it, go fck a sheep, you Libtards are good at this.
don’t ask for that which you don’t give first. You want people to show their math work, you show yours first.
pathetic, truly pathetic.
July 11th, 2007 at 4:37 pmOf the 67% that are not with the 19%, 43% think is a failure and 24% think it is too soon too tell. Thus, 19% plus the 24% don’t agree with the 43% that today believe that the surge is a failure. Thus, 43% disagree with the 43% that claim that today the surge is a failure.
Comment by Conservatron — July 11, 2007 @ 4:29 pm
Wrong. “I don’t know” is not the same as “I disagree.” The fundamental premise of your entire argument is flamboyantly wrong.
Also, your math is wrong. Of the 81% who are not with the 19%, 53% think it is a failure. 43 is 53% of 81. That leaves 47% of the remaining 81% who don’t know.
On the other side, 33% of the remaining 57% of respondents who did not say the surge is a failure say that it’s a success. The remainng 67% don’t know.
July 11th, 2007 at 4:37 pmMy head hurts.
July 11th, 2007 at 4:40 pmmichael sez:
Only because they have been too slow in fulfilling their promises to clean up the horrid mess the runaway administration and the previous rubber-stamp Republican Congress have left this nation.
Hardly something to crow about, michael. But I understand…you poor neocon apologists have so little to crow about these days…
July 11th, 2007 at 4:41 pmConservatron is a hacktron. The headline was a simple, relevant fact. ONLY 19% see it as a success. All of his assupmtions and acrobatics thereafter serve only to make him guilty of the very thing that he’s been whining about the whole time, distorting and manipulating statistical data, facts. Facts, the scourge of the FAUX Gossip Channel, and the Hacktron party of Cons.
July 11th, 2007 at 4:42 pmConservatron sez:
I only asked, dolt, because 67% is wrong. I was giving you a chance to identify and correct your mistake, but it seems you’d rather be made a fool of. Very well.
July 11th, 2007 at 4:43 pmMy head hurts.
Comment by Egreggious — July 11, 2007 @ 4:40 pm
You do realize that your brain is only 2% of your body by weight, right? That means that 98% of you is feeling just fine. (I’m counting organs that responded “don’t know” or didn’t want to respond - hope you don’t mind)
July 11th, 2007 at 4:43 pmWhen a baby monkey feels itself losing grip on it’s mother’s hair, it clutches harder. The Moro reflex I think it’s called.
The baby chimp trolls are obviously losing their grasp, their beloved Leader is collapsing before their eyes and they are spewing shit in a frantic Moro reflex.
Kind of fun to watch.
And it only gets better. After the 2008 elections when these deluded chimps are lying naked on the ground without their security blanket, the lions are going to crunch ther tiny skulls like popcorn.
July 11th, 2007 at 4:44 pmOuch.
July 11th, 2007 at 4:46 pmConservatron sez:
don’t ask for that which you don’t give first. You want people to show their math work, you show yours first.
I only asked, dolt, because 67% is wrong. I was giving you a chance to identify and correct your mistake, but it seems you’d rather be made a fool of. Very well.
Comment by TripMaster Monkey — July 11, 2007 @ 4:43 pm
How is it wrong, fool. 67% is……24% that say it is too early to tell, plus 43% that say it is a failure….
Now, I know that once in a blue moon, when Hell freezes over I make a mistake, but……
24+43=67, right?
67% is the number of people that do not agree with the 19% that claim the surge is a success.
satisfied, math “teacher”. Now do point how my 67% is wrong. Obviously, I am not counting people that didn’t respond to the poll.
July 11th, 2007 at 4:46 pmpk: “I always wonder what type of people these 19%ers are. Incurable optimists or idiots?”
There is actually quite a bit of data on this. 20 to 25% of the population are what psychiatrists call “authoritarian personalities,” people who basically worship power, follow orders without question and need a strong leader to tell them what to do. Authoritarian personalities have a psychological need to believe that their leader is right and good. Cult members, for example are often authoritarian personalities. Every age has its share. During the Revolutionary war they were royalists and torries, people who feared democracy and needed a strong “daddy figure” in the form of the King. Luckily for most of us, the number of authoritarian personalities has been declining over time, but in times of fear and despair, their numbers rise. What I’m saying here is that reasonable people are dealing with a smaller percentage of the population which has a mental disorder. But, I think most progressives know that intuitively.
July 11th, 2007 at 4:50 pmpk: “I always wonder what type of people these 19%ers are. Incurable optimists or idiots?â€
There is actually quite a bit of data on this. 20 to 25% of the population are what psychiatrists call “authoritarian personalities,†people who basically worship power, follow orders without question and need a strong leader to tell them what to do. Authoritarian personalities have a psychological need to believe that their leader is right and good. Cult members, for example are often authoritarian personalities. Every age has its share. During the Revolutionary war they were royalists and torries, people who feared democracy and needed a strong “daddy figure†in the form of the King. Luckily for most of us, the number of authoritarian personalities has been declining over time, but in times of fear and despair, their numbers rise. What I’m saying here is that reasonable people are dealing with a smaller percentage of the population which has a mental disorder. But, I think most progressives know that intuitively.
Comment by Ret. Col. Jack Ripper — July 11, 2007 @ 4:50 pm
You have it confused with the 14% that support the Democratic led Congress.
stop projecting son.
July 11th, 2007 at 4:52 pmConservatron sez:
You just pointed it out yourself, dolt. I explained earlier that you might as well count the non-respondents, as it would be equally valid in your torturous machinations.
Failed Reading Comprehension, didn’t you? That’s OK…I don’t suppose Reading Comprehension counts for all that much when you’re rolling up taquitos at the Taco Bell, anyway…
July 11th, 2007 at 4:53 pm14% The number of Americans who give Congress a good approval rating.
Comment by michael — July 11, 2007 @ 4:36 pm
Oh, Jeebus Effing Cripes! Do we have to go through this EVERY TIME there’s some kind of poll result reported here?
Michael, as has been pointed out numerous times in the past, the number you describe as an “approval” rating is in fact the number of people who said that they had “a great deal” or “quite a lot” of confidence in Congress in a Gallup poll of a couple weeks ago. That same week, Gallup said that Congress had an “approval” rating of 24%.
So please, if you’re going to try to distract by going off-topic, at least do it with accurate statistics. It won’t make your point any more relevant or useful, but at least you won’t look like such a dumba$s.
At least Conservatard mangles actual statistics to try to prove HIS non-existent point.
July 11th, 2007 at 4:56 pm67% is the number of people that do not agree with the 19% that claim the surge is a success.
satisfied, math “teacherâ€. Now do point how my 67% is wrong. Obviously, I am not counting people that didn’t respond to the poll.
Comment by Conservatron — July 11, 2007 @ 4:46 pm
Then you need to add in the 15% who responded with a “not sure.” “Not sure” is also a response. The total now is 82% who, by your logic, do not agree with the premise that the surge is a success. I’ll chalk the extra 1% up to a rounding error.
So what was your point again?
July 11th, 2007 at 4:57 pmConservatron sez:
satisfied, math “teacherâ€. Now do point how my 67% is wrong. Obviously, I am not counting people that didn’t respond to the poll.
You just pointed it out yourself, dolt. I explained earlier that you might as well count the non-respondents, as it would be equally valid in your torturous machinations.
Failed Reading Comprehension, didn’t you? That’s OK…I don’t suppose Reading Comprehension counts for all that much when you’re rolling up taquitos at the Taco Bell, anyway…
Comment by TripMaster Monkey — July 11, 2007 @ 4:53 pm
why would you count the non-respondants. You are assuming that the non-respondents would have gone one side or another. You can’t assume this, you can only go by the number, percentage of people that responded.
Rasmussen didn’t count the non-respondents, no poll ever does, so why would you? oh, so that you feel good about the stuff you are making up. My bad son, my bad.
so, you are still wrong. give it up already. You and I both know you are wrong and that I am right. That is the way of the world son. Sometime you are the windshield and sometimes you are the bug. In this case you are the bug….SPLAT!!! HAHAHAHA!!!!
and what do you have against blue collar jobs?
typical Libtard love to discriminate.
July 11th, 2007 at 4:57 pmWhen a baby monkey feels itself losing grip on it’s mother’s hair, it clutches harder. The Moro reflex I think it’s called.
The baby chimp trolls are obviously losing their grasp, their beloved Leader is collapsing before their eyes and they are spewing shit in a frantic Moro reflex.
Comment by nanlichi — July 11, 2007 @ 4:44 pm
Nanlichi, sometimes there’s nothing that hits the target better than a well-chosen visual.
You, my friend, have done that. Thank you.
July 11th, 2007 at 4:59 pmWhat an incredibly misleading quote. The surge has barely started. We should at least give it until September to see what happens.
July 11th, 2007 at 4:59 pmMichael, as has been pointed out numerous times in the past, the number you describe as an “approval†rating is in fact the number of people who said that they had “a great deal†or “quite a lot†of confidence in Congress in a Gallup poll of a couple weeks ago. That same week, Gallup said that Congress had an “approval†rating of 24%.
Comment by spit take
Like I said, trolls keep repeating non-points long after they’ve been refuted and you’re definitely wasting your breath on this one.
For the record (heh), Congress’ number are always bad, so this is a fairly meaningless rating even if the troll could get it right. Americans consistently like their own representative (if they voted for him/her) and consider Congress in general to be a pack of fools. The troll is somehow trying to compare this more-or-less constant number (which it gets wrong) with an approval rating that does actually change (the President’s).
July 11th, 2007 at 5:00 pmwhy would you count the non-respondants. You are assuming that the non-respondents would have gone one side or another. You can’t assume this, you can only go by the number, percentage of people that responded.
There were no non-respondants.
July 11th, 2007 at 5:00 pm67% is the number of people that do not agree with the 19% that claim the surge is a success.
satisfied, math “teacherâ€. Now do point how my 67% is wrong. Obviously, I am not counting people that didn’t respond to the poll.
Comment by Conservatron — July 11, 2007 @ 4:46 pm
Then you need to add in the 15% who responded with a “not sure.†“Not sure†is also a response. The total now is 82% who, by your logic, do not agree with the premise that the surge is a success. I’ll chalk the extra 1% up to a rounding error.
So what was your point again?
Comment by toasterhead — July 11, 2007 @ 4:57 pm
but, but if we use these 15% that said not sure then we can say……
that 58% of respondents do not agree with the 43% that today claim that the surge is a failure, right?
July 11th, 2007 at 5:00 pmbut, but if we use these 15% that said not sure then we can say……
that 58% of respondents do not agree with the 43% that today claim that the surge is a failure, right?
Comment by Conservatron — July 11, 2007 @ 5:00 pm
I covered all this like 30 posts ago, chief. And 82% do not agree with the claim of success.
Again - your point being?
July 11th, 2007 at 5:02 pmLike I said, trolls keep repeating non-points long after they’ve been refuted and you’re definitely wasting your breath on this one.
Comment by gummitch — July 11, 2007 @ 5:00 pm
Good point, gummitch, but I will take a shot at the makeable points, and this one seems like something even a troll can understand.
Although, as Upton Sinclair wrote, “It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends on his not understanding it.”
July 11th, 2007 at 5:02 pmwhy would you count the non-respondants. You are assuming that the non-respondents would have gone one side or another. You can’t assume this, you can only go by the number, percentage of people that responded.
There were no non-respondants.
Comment by toasterhead — July 11, 2007 @ 5:00 pm
hey talk to Tripyboy, he’s the one that claimed that there were non-respondents.
July 11th, 2007 at 5:02 pmspit take sez:
Yes, spit take. Yes, we do.
The mouth-breathers have an increasingly shrinking pool of talking points to work with, as reality continues to encroach upon their land of make-believe. They’re going to ride the Congressional approval rating as long as they can, seemingly too stupid to realize that it’s an indictment on Congress for failing to stop the criminal junta that is the Chimpy administration, and is therefore an indirect indictment on the administration itself.
It should be heartbreakingly sad, but I cant’help but laugh.
July 11th, 2007 at 5:04 pmIt should be heartbreakingly sad, but I cant’help but laugh.
Comment by TripMaster Monkey — July 11, 2007 @ 5:04 pm
It is quite fun to see how some people will argue against the fundamental rules of basic arithmetic. But I guess they think math has a liberal bias.
July 11th, 2007 at 5:08 pmconservatron sez:
You really aren’t very good at this, are you?
You’re the one trying to lump multiple groups together in a pathetic attempt to misrepresent the results. No one else. YOU. Given that you’re making up an ad-hoc group who doesn’t believe that the surge is a failure, I suggested that you add the non-respondents as well, since they obviously fall into that category.
In short, I suggested you use the non-respondents to point up the silliness of your machinations. Predictably, you were too thick to understand this.
July 11th, 2007 at 5:10 pmspit take sez:
Do we have to go through this EVERY TIME there’s some kind of poll result reported here?
Yes, spit take. Yes, we do.
The mouth-breathers have an increasingly shrinking pool of talking points to work with, as reality continues to encroach upon their land of make-believe. They’re going to ride the Congressional approval rating as long as they can, seemingly too stupid to realize that it’s an indictment on Congress for failing to stop the criminal junta that is the Chimpy administration, and is therefore an indirect indictment on the administration itself.
It should be heartbreakingly sad, but I cant’help but laugh.
Comment by TripMaster Monkey — July 11, 2007 @ 5:04 pm
Another lunatic libtard with delusions of grandeur. wow….talk about ranting and raving.
dude, I understand that teenage boys like you need wet dreams, but this is ridiculous.
July 11th, 2007 at 5:11 pmConservatron sez:
Can’t compete in math, so you fall back on insults. How sad.
Oh well…I’ll bet math isn’t all that important when you’re rolling up the taquitos at Taco Bell, either. (Hint: this is probably why the manager won’t put you on register. Either that, or he just doesn’t trust your weasely ass.)
July 11th, 2007 at 5:14 pmRegarding this 14% number that trolls love to cite, the latest CNN/Opinion Research poll asks respondents whether they will vote for the Democratic or Republican candidate for congress in the next election. 53% say Democrat and 41% say Republican. In addition, there are 21 Repub senators up for reelect and only 9 Democrats. That’s why The Hill and Congressional quarterly has predicted the strong possibility that Democrats will gain supermajorities in both houses in the 2008 election.
July 11th, 2007 at 5:18 pmThanks spit take.
I like Ret. Col. Jack Ripper’s discussion of the authoritarian figure psychosis back in #87.
I think that pretty much explains the 20%ers. And it dovetails with the observation that the 20%ers are the die-hard born agains. Another example of the weak crying for an authority to protect them.
July 11th, 2007 at 5:19 pmConservatron sez:
Another lunatic libtard with delusions of grandeur. wow….talk about ranting and raving.
dude, I understand that teenage boys like you need wet dreams, but this is ridiculous.
Can’t compete in math, so you fall back on insults. How sad.
Oh well…I’ll bet math isn’t all that important when you’re rolling up the taquitos at Taco Bell, either. (Hint: this is probably why the manager won’t put you on register. Either that, or he just doesn’t trust your weasely ass.)
Comment by TripMaster Monkey — July 11, 2007 @ 5:14 pm
1) I think the one that can’t compete in math is you. Already gave you a first grade lesson in math and percentages and you couldn’t grasp it.
2) Interesting to see that you make fun of blue collar jobs. Nice to see how much Libtards care about the little people. Don’t worry, it is well known that Libtard are elites pigs who believe certain jobs are beneath them. Libtards never fail to discriminate, funny enough they always claims that it is the other side that discriminates. You never did say what you have against blue collar jobs.
3) I am sorry to upset you by calling you out on your wet dream, pimple face teenage boy. Please don’t redirect your self-loathing towards those that are obviously smarter than you. This is typical of a teenage boy.
4) I love your rants and raves, please keep on posting for my amusement.
July 11th, 2007 at 5:21 pmMost people, when they read a reasonably well-composed sentence that says what it intends to say, probably think about the topic of the sentence and the point of view of the speaker/author.
Trolls tend to only see their own inadequacies and thus project “delusions of granduer” onto simple, straightforward use of the English language.
If they’re particularly said and/or inadequate trolls, (see #104) they might throw in a sexual reference or two, as well. This, of course, only serves to bring focus more tightly on said inadequacies.
Very revealing, all in all.
July 11th, 2007 at 5:23 pmExactly, nanlichi!
And, in addition to the great outlook for supermajorities in both houses of congress, the latest CBS Opinion poll asked respondents which party’s candidate they would vote for in 2008. 58% said they would definitely vote for the Democrat and 28% said Repub.
So, again, we’re looking at a strong Democratic congress and a democratic president after the 2008 election. Only in this way can we reverse the damage neocons have done to our system and society quickly. Add a couple of Sup. Court nominees and we’ll swing back to a 5-4 or even 6-3 liberal majority on the court.
The trolls will be hysterical. The screaming and whining will be heard from deep space.
July 11th, 2007 at 5:24 pmAnother lunatic libtard with delusions of grandeur. wow….talk about ranting and raving.
dude, I understand that teenage boys like you need wet dreams, but this is ridiculous.
Comment by Conservatron — July 11, 2007 @ 5:11 pm
Aaand we’re down to personal attacks. The last resort of one who has been soundly defeated in Internet battle. Conservatron, it is time for you to concede, though I do not expect you to do so graciously. You did prove a tenacious if logically-challenged foe, and as a fan of surrealism I applaud your efforts to challenge basic math with obfuscation and non sequitir.
I consider this a small victory for the forces of reason, but a decisive one. We have taken back one thread, and we have taken back arithmetic. Soon we shall reclaim logic, then science, then … who knows?
July 11th, 2007 at 5:25 pmActually, I’m wrong about the court. The only justices likely to be replaced are in the liberal minority already, so we’ll still have the 5 conservative catholics who answer to the pope to contend with. Sorry about that.
July 11th, 2007 at 5:28 pmConservatron sez:
You obviously didn’t see this post. There’s that appalling lack of reading comprehension again.
There’s more to your post, but it doesn’t merit a reply (not that any of your previous ones did, but you were amusing….for a while. Now you’ve become tiresome, though).
I have to head on home now, but I’m sure there are several other TPers who will pick up the slack and keep you aware of just how wrong you are, in how many ways. Later.
July 11th, 2007 at 5:28 pmAnother lunatic libtard with delusions of grandeur. wow….talk about ranting and raving.
dude, I understand that teenage boys like you need wet dreams, but this is ridiculous.
Comment by Conservatron — July 11, 2007 @ 5:11 pm
Aaand we’re down to personal attacks. The last resort of one who has been soundly defeated in Internet battle. Conservatron, it is time for you to concede, though I do not expect you to do so graciously. You did prove a tenacious if logically-challenged foe, and as a fan of surrealism I applaud your efforts to challenge basic math with obfuscation and non sequitir.
I consider this a small victory for the forces of reason, but a decisive one. We have taken back one thread, and we have taken back arithmetic. Soon we shall reclaim logic, then science, then … who knows?
Comment by toasterhead — July 11, 2007 @ 5:25 pm
Soundly defeated…..if it helps you sleep at night to believe this son.
I know I am right, you know I am right….
Once again, only 43% consider the surge is a failure compared to the 58% that were either not sure, 15%, think it is too soon to tell, 24%, or believe the surge is a success, 19%.
and if your standard of winning is that someone else insults you, kid I have won 99% of the debates on TP and the rest of the lunatic left wing blogs.
No my friend, it is time for you and Tripyboy to concede defeat. Be the man you refuse to be, show leadership and show how a Libtard can be a true man and admit defeat with grace. Just bow out and admit that you have been defeated by an intellectually superior being. Me, Conservatron.
I know Libtards have a hard time accepting defeat, look at Al Gore, I know he was a bad example for you, my Libtard….but here, now, on this blog you can show that Libtards are not whiny, cry baby losers, but real man that know how to lose.
Prove me wrong, show me that you aren’t a Libtard and a whiny, cry baby Liberal, sore loser.
July 11th, 2007 at 5:32 pmConservatron sez:
I think the one that can’t compete in math is you. Already gave you a first grade lesson in math and percentages and you couldn’t grasp it.
You obviously didn’t see this post. There’s that appalling lack of reading comprehension again.
There’s more to your post, but it doesn’t merit a reply (not that any of your previous ones did, but you were amusing….for a while. Now you’ve become tiresome, though).
I have to head on home now, but I’m sure there are several other TPers who will pick up the slack and keep you aware of just how wrong you are, in how many ways. Later.
Comment by TripMaster Monkey — July 11, 2007 @ 5:28 pm
Another Libtard runs away with his tail between his legs. Thanks for the excuses for why you are leaving, but and I both know that you have been soundly defeated.
Just admit it, “TripMaster Monkey, is not man enough to admit defeat. Poor dishonest, rant and raving, conspiracy theoriest lunatic.”
You never told me, should I pity you or cry for you? let me know which ok?
July 11th, 2007 at 5:40 pmI suppose we should let Conservatard think he’s won; it can be quite traumatic for the deluded to come face-to-face with their delusions, and conservatard strikes me as the violent type who will break dishes and windows if it ever glimpses the truth about itself.
July 11th, 2007 at 5:57 pmWhen you say “libtard” it’s liike advertising you have the mind of an 11-year-old.
July 11th, 2007 at 5:59 pmShort version of the trolls’ rantings:
No fair! Math has a liberal bias!
Using conservative arithmetic, Pres Bush has well over 50% approval rating!
July 11th, 2007 at 6:14 pmduuhhhh uhhhh libtard uhhhh duuhhhh uhhhh libtard libtard uhhhh dujhhhhh
July 11th, 2007 at 6:18 pmREtard is his own biggest fan because his infantile sense of humor is so tickled by his fusion of two word parts. He’s spent the whole day typing 43%, 58% and Libtard. What a ReCon Hacktron. Hackity hack hack, hacksteriffic REtard.
July 11th, 2007 at 9:31 pm