Govt Website: Abortions Make Women Feel ‘Sad,’ Resort To ‘Drugs’ And ‘Alcohol’
Govt Website: Abortions Make Women Feel ‘Sad,’ Resort To ‘Drugs’ And ‘Alcohol’
Yesterday, NARAL discovered that the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) had revised a government website, 4parents.gov, with biased and misleading ideological claims about abortion. From new website:
Some teen pregnancies end in abortion. Abortions can have complications. There may be emotional consequences, as well: some women say that they feel sad and some use more alcohol or drugs than before.
The previous version of the site contained factual information about the rates of teen pregnancy. But these new “facts” on the site are misleading. As the Guttmacher Institute’s May 2006 report noted:
[T]he APA [American Psychological Association] found that “women who are terminating pregnancies that are wanted or who lack support from their partner or parents for the abortion may feel a greater sense of loss, anxiety and distress. For most women, however, the time of greatest distress is likely to be before an abortion; after an abortion, women frequently report feeling ‘relief and happiness.’”
There is no “right” way to feel after an abortion, and it is not HHS’s role to highlight information implying that women regret having abortions. Women feel a “range of emotions after an abortion, such as relief, sadness, happiness and feelings of loss.” “It is outrageous that the department charged with providing Americans objective information about health is disguising unproven political rhetoric as sound science,” noted NARAL president Nancy Keenan.
This is not the first time 4parents.gov has put forth misleading information. When the site launched in 2005, it told parents “to convince their teens to stop having sex by telling their children that they are ‘worth it.’” But no resources were provided for “parents whose teen remains sexually active, implying that these youth are not ‘worth it.’” It also referred to a “fetus” as an “unborn baby.”
Yesterday, Richard Carmona told Congress that when he served as Bush’s Surgeon General, he was often muzzled and censored from speaking out on key issues, such as stem cell research and women’s issues. “Anything that doesn’t fit into the political appointees’ ideological, theological, or political agenda is ignored, marginalized, or simply buried,” said Carmona.
UPDATE: In 2005, Rep. Henry Waxman (D-CA) sent Leavitt a letter with reviews by scientific experts who concluded that 4parents.gov’s content appeared “to have been guided by ideology.” He also noted that the website was not created by government scientists, as the administration claimed, “but rather through a no-bid contract to the National Physician’s Center for Family Resources, an obscure organization that has taken positions against scientific agencies on important matters of public health.”
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Where do I sign the petition to stop this nonsense?
July 11th, 2007 at 3:40 pmI think it’s easy enough to believe some women would feel sad after an abortion… but everything they put on the site should be based in fact…
July 11th, 2007 at 3:40 pmPathetic propaganda, but it goes with the territory.
July 11th, 2007 at 3:41 pmHave to say, almost ANYTHING I hear from this admin makes me feel sad and want to drink more…
July 11th, 2007 at 3:42 pmYou’ll get that petition in November of 2008, unless you support impeachment, then I would say give Pelosi and Reid a call and tell them to get on the ball.
July 11th, 2007 at 3:42 pmI’d have thought it was being in the End Times with a Creationist President degrading the US military, Global Warming destroying the planet, and the most sexist, racist, bigoted administration since Andrew Jackson.
July 11th, 2007 at 3:42 pmPathetic propaganda, but it goes with the territory.
Comment by Future troll
By the territory, you’re referring to Bru$chCo and the GOP??? 1st time you’ve been right today, young feller!
July 11th, 2007 at 3:43 pmAnecdotal evidence to the contrary: My wife had two abortions while a college student in the early 1970s and without drugs or alcohol survived the experiences due to a supportive friends and family network. After 28 years of marriage, I can only say that if not for her choices made in college, we never would have met and married and the the two terrific adult children we have now, wouldn’t be.
July 11th, 2007 at 3:44 pm#7: Yeah, it’s kind of shame that they have to bother with this crap, but votes from the religious right nuts don’t come for free.
July 11th, 2007 at 3:45 pmThis nonsense has to stop now.
July 11th, 2007 at 3:48 pm….and i would be willing to bet that the authors of this junk are men….
July 11th, 2007 at 3:48 pmHere’s how it will read after these idiots reverse Roe v. Wade:
Some teen pregnancies end in forced forced child bearing. This can have complications, especially if the woman was raped, and even worse when she was raped by her father. There may be emotional consequences, as well: some women say that they feel sad that when they find out their life is in danger due to a pregnancy and the law says they will have to die rather than have an abortion.
July 11th, 2007 at 3:50 pmYeah, how dare the government warn parents about the psychological effects of abortion!!!
Let them watch their daughters fall into severe depression, become drug addicts and alcoholics!!!
July 11th, 2007 at 3:50 pmWhere do I sign the petition to stop this nonsense?
Comment by Proud American Liberal
Gun registration form for an AR-15. At your local pawnshop. i’ll meet you there.
July 11th, 2007 at 3:55 pmAnd, conversely, women who are forced to give birth to an unwanted child are happy and chemical-free. Yippy-skippy.
July 11th, 2007 at 3:56 pm…and our taxes are paying for this…
July 11th, 2007 at 3:56 pmAbortions can feel good. Thanks for telling us more about this natural, healthy process, TP! You’re the bestest!
Abort! Abort! Ahhhh……..much better………
July 11th, 2007 at 3:57 pmComment by CT_V1
“Yes, doctor, which depository should this slimy human coulda-woulda-shoulda-been be taken?”
July 11th, 2007 at 4:00 pmAs long as these idiot anti-choice people can feel all warm and fuzzy about all the babies being born, they are happy.
Never mind if the child is unwanted or the result of rape — who cares!? It’s a cute wittle baby…..
And these morons never even give that baby another thought until it’s found beaten to death in a garbage sack on the side of the road.
Then they cry, that woman shouldn’t have had a child if she couldn’t handle it!! Social services messed up!
Assh*les.
July 11th, 2007 at 4:03 pmSome teen pregnancies end in abortion. Abortions can have complications. There may be emotional consequences, as well: some women say that they feel sad and some use more alcohol or drugs than before.
July 11th, 2007 at 4:04 pmAlso, post-birth can have complications. There may be emotional consequences as well: some women say they feel sad and some use more alcohol or drugs than before. This is called Post-Partum Depression.
It’s due to the “weird” fluctuation of hormones in the new mother’s body.
I wonder if 4Parents discussed that?
“Some teen pregnancies end in abortion. Abortions can have complications. There may be emotional consequences, as well: some women say that they feel sad and some use more alcohol or drugs than before.”
What is misleading with this statement? Abortions can have complications and some women say they feel sad and some use alcohol and drugs to cope with that sadness. It does not say most or all. There is nothing factually incorrect in the statement. What is wrong with warning women and parents of possible complications and effects of abortions?
July 11th, 2007 at 4:05 pmOh really? There must be something wrong with me because I didn’t feel sad and I didn’t turn to drugs and alcohol.
July 11th, 2007 at 4:06 pmOne more thing, I didn’t feel happy afterwords either.
July 11th, 2007 at 4:07 pmOf course having an abortion can make a woman feel sad. It can be traumatic. Undoubtedly some women can turn to alcohol or drugs to mask the pain.
Liberals are not “in favor” of abortions. What liberals favor is keeping the procedure safe and legal for women who decide on that course in a pregnancy.
But conservatives (and trolls) can’t register that fact, because it would destroy their whole “baby-killing” talking point, which is about all they have on the issue.
July 11th, 2007 at 4:07 pmComment by Zooey
That’s right, the woman shouldn’t have had the child - as in, the woman should have refrained from intercourse. Why permit it to escalate the abortion stage when there are more responsible, simpler options?
July 11th, 2007 at 4:08 pmAbortions Make Women Feel ‘Sad,’ Resort To ‘Drugs’ And ‘Alcohol’
The headline is completely wrong and Think Progress should be ashamed of reporting incorrectly. The paragraph they are referring to says SOME women, it does not say Abortions Make Women Feel…anything.
July 11th, 2007 at 4:08 pmSome Americans may feel sad when they hear about the number of young men and women dying in Iraq. But with mandatory pregnancy, the government believes you can feel safe with all the unwanted babies being born into poverty to replenish the military.
July 11th, 2007 at 4:09 pm“That’s right, the woman shouldn’t have had the child - as in, the woman should have refrained from intercourse. Why permit it to escalate the abortion stage when there are more responsible, simpler options?”
That’s true. Men need to learn to keep it in their pants. Then they won’t be running around getting women pregnant. Men: ZIP IT UP - END ABORTION NOW!
July 11th, 2007 at 4:11 pm#27 - ann,
Point well made. China has a growing population, mostly males. It works well for their every expanding military. It should work here, too… provides security for our oil.
July 11th, 2007 at 4:11 pmOnly God knows when a human life begins.
But one thing is certain: PROLIFERS ARE MURDERERS.
July 11th, 2007 at 4:11 pm#28 ann,
You are on a roll, girl :)
July 11th, 2007 at 4:12 pmThat’s right, the woman shouldn’t have had the child - as in, the woman should have refrained from intercourse. Why permit it to escalate the abortion stage when there are more responsible, simpler options?
Comment by CT_V1
You’re such a self-satisfied judgmental little prick, aren’t you?
Who are you to decide what ANYONE else can or should do?
You control yourself, and no one else.
BTW, what part of RAPE is a woman able to, or allowed to, “refrain” from?
July 11th, 2007 at 4:16 pmI’m going to disect this even further, which may throw a certain few into a complete “hissy fit”! (I’m talking to you Mr.President/Conservatron)
Some teen pregnancies end in abortion.
Okay, the key word here is teen. Most teens are not married and do not have a stable enough relationship to contemplate the time and effort to raise a child. Please keep that in mind as you read on.
some women say that they feel sad
Okay, here’s a surprise. Any idea what the number one prescribed medicine currently is? It is now Prozac, or the generic equivalent! And what is Prozac used for? That’s right! For when you are feeling “sad”!
thus the statement is irrelivent. It’s as if I said “Some women, after abortion, say they go to McDonalds for lunch”
some use more alcohol or drugs than before.
This statement is so misleading. Again, we are talking about teens, so their experience with alcohol and drugs, although not minimal, is not as overbearing as say a 22 year old college student. Plus, during pregnancy, one is not supposed to be drinking or indulging in drugs, so once the pregnancy is “over”, one can possibly “do more”
Just my correct $0.02
July 11th, 2007 at 4:24 pmI volunteered at a clinic for several years - the worst thing most of the women had to cope with were the sickos who chased them down the street screaming ‘murderer ‘or threw themselves on their knees to ‘pray for your baby’ or blocked the doors or cut the electric cables or in one case set a fire.
July 11th, 2007 at 4:26 pmI just chalk this up as another Bush administration ‘acomplishment’. They couldn’t ban abortions, so they sneak around using lies and deceipt. Its sad to think that this administration paid such lip service to honesty, dignity and morality at its start. Now its revealed as the ‘win at any cost’ travesty it really is. So much for Christian decency and integrity.
July 11th, 2007 at 4:32 pmJust my correct $0.02
Comment by DRxJ — July 11, 2007 @ 4:24 pm
Thanks for that level-headed common sense, DRxJ.
July 11th, 2007 at 4:32 pmYou’re such a self-satisfied judgmental little prick, aren’t you?
Who are you to decide what ANYONE else can or should do?
You control yourself, and no one else.
BTW, what part of RAPE is a woman able to, or allowed to, “refrain†from?
Comment by Zooey
So repe makes up less than 1% of abortions, what about the other 99+%?
July 11th, 2007 at 4:32 pmthis so bears repeating:
July 11th, 2007 at 4:33 pmLiberals are not “in favor†of abortions. What liberals favor is keeping the procedure safe and legal for women who decide on that course in a pregnancy
Comment by spit take — July 11, 2007 @ 4:07 pm
Very well said.
My views of abortion changed drastically once I got married and had kids. I am now more neutral to a bit right on the abortion line. I do, however, feel we need to keep the option open, and safe, for certain situations.
“So repe makes up less than 1% of abortions, what about the other 99+%?”
Like I said, if men would just quit getting women pregnant…..in other words: ZIP IT UP.
July 11th, 2007 at 4:33 pm“I do, however, feel we need to keep the option open, and safe, for certain situations.”
Yes, and it should be decided by women in consultation with their physicians and family, as they so determine necessary. It should not be decided by white men in DC who will never have to make the decision to bear a child.
July 11th, 2007 at 4:36 pmthe worst thing most of the women had to cope with were the sickos who chased them down the street screaming ‘murderer ‘or threw themselves on their knees to ‘pray for your baby’ or blocked the doors or cut the electric cables or in one case set a fire.
Comment by Powkat — July 11, 2007 @ 4:26 pm
July 11th, 2007 at 4:39 pmWhich is worthless, in my opinion. The person has already made the choice. If you want to make a difference, spend your time and energy educating one who is confused about her pregnancy, and let her know that there are many MANY well intended couples out there who, for whatever reason, can NOT procreate, but who desperately want to have a family. This is such a viable option, but for some reason, the right never address it. It’s always about “sin”, or “baby killer”, or “right to life” , and then, inevitably, after birth, it’s forgotten.
Comment by DRxJ — July 11, 2007 @ 4:24 pm
I totally agree, and thanks for pointing out that we are talking about teens. In fact, I feel much more confident about my previous comment now:
You Lefties are so dumb!
July 11th, 2007 at 4:39 pmOf course, there are no complications or emotional repercussions of wanted or unwanted pregnancy, right? No women who become mothers ever get sad or use alcohol and drugs.
certainly not the ones who will be forced into it despite being raped or have rapidly developing uterine cancer that can’t be operated on without harming the fetus. I’m sure they’ll just be the picture of mental health.
July 11th, 2007 at 4:39 pmIt should not be decided by white men in DC who will never have to make the decision to bear a child.
Comment by ann — July 11, 2007 @ 4:36 pm
….and here is EXACTLY where my view on abortion has NEVER changed!
July 11th, 2007 at 4:41 pmI wonder how many white anglo saxon men would want only women deciding how/when/and where their vasectomy should be???
“Some women say” postpartum depression can lead to women feeling the same way.
July 11th, 2007 at 4:42 pm“If you want to make a difference, spend your time and energy educating one who is confused about her pregnancy, and let her know that there are many MANY well intended couples out there who, for whatever reason, can NOT procreate, but who desperately want to have a family. This is such a viable option, but for some reason, the right never address it. ”
There are plenty of children who are already born who don’t have families. When all of those children have been adopted, we can talk.
July 11th, 2007 at 4:42 pm““Some women say†postpartum depression can lead to women feeling the same way.”
I agree.
July 11th, 2007 at 4:43 pmSo repe makes up less than 1% of abortions, what about the other 99+%?
Comment by yep — July 11, 2007 @ 4:32 pm
Hey, thanks for reducing the crime of rape to a “yeah but,” and completely discounting any consideration for rape victims, or just women in general.
Moron.
July 11th, 2007 at 4:44 pmThe craziest propaganda since the government placed books in the Park Service bookstore explaining how the Grand Canyon was created by the “great flood”. F-in losers. They couldn’t find their gluteus maximus if you gave them a million to try since its a scientific name.
July 11th, 2007 at 4:45 pmThere are plenty of children who are already born who don’t have families. When all of those children have been adopted, we can talk.
Comment by ann — July 11, 2007 @ 4:42 pm
Spot on, ann.
July 11th, 2007 at 4:46 pmHey, thanks for reducing the crime of rape to a “yeah but,†and completely discounting any consideration for rape victims, or just women in general.
Moron.
Comment by Zooey
You whole argument is about 1%, that is pathetic.
July 11th, 2007 at 4:47 pm…and our taxes are paying for this…
If tax dollars can fund abortions, they can certainly fund this as well!
July 11th, 2007 at 4:48 pmYou whole argument is about 1%, that is pathetic.
Comment by yepyep — July 11, 2007 @ 4:47 pm
that you can trivialize something as severe and traumatic as rape is what is pathetic!
July 11th, 2007 at 4:53 pmthat you can trivialize something as severe and traumatic as rape is what is pathetic!
Comment by DRxJ
I never trivialized anything, I am saying that abortions due to rape is a very small fraction of all abortions. It is stupid to use that as an argument and completely discount the overwhelming majority of abortions just to make an argument.
July 11th, 2007 at 4:57 pmIf tax dollars can fund abortions, they can certainly fund this as well!
Comment by m12
If our tax money actually paid for abortions then you might have a point.
July 11th, 2007 at 4:57 pmIf our tax money actually paid for abortions then you might have a point.
Comment by dlet
No tax money does not pay for abortions, just the staff and facilities where abortions take place.
July 11th, 2007 at 5:02 pmLike I said, if men would just quit getting women pregnant…..in other words: ZIP IT UP.
Comment by ann
Now, ann, I rarely unzip, it is usually the lady that does the unzipping herself. =)
It does take 2 in consentual sex.
That said, I also use condoms even if she states she is on the pill.
That said, this change on the web site is totally propaganda.
I am divorced, have kids from my previous marriage, all grown now.
I still believe that there should always be the right to choose for the woman. No woman should be forced to have a kid she cannot care for or that she would die for if carried to term. That should always be a choice and should be something private between a woman and her doctor.
The government and religious nutbags should keep their noses out of other people’s business
July 11th, 2007 at 5:03 pmPlanned Parenthood receives almost a third of its money in government grants and contracts ($305.3 million in FY 2006). It received $345.1 million in clinic income that year, $212.2 million in private contributions and bequests, $33 million in other income and $7.2 million for the Alan Guttmacher Institute for a total of $902.8 million.[2]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planned_Parenthood
July 11th, 2007 at 5:04 pmNo tax money does not pay for abortions, just the staff and facilities where abortions take place.
Comment by yep
Can you be more specific? Are you saying that our tax money pays for facilities that perform abortions or are you talking about Planned Parenthood clinics?
July 11th, 2007 at 5:08 pmNo tax money does not pay for abortions, just the staff and facilities where abortions take place.
Comment by yep
Not completely true. There are clinics that are not government funded that provide a full range of womens medical services including abortion.
July 11th, 2007 at 5:08 pmWith all the cuts to planned parenthood clinics, most women go to private clinics and practitioners that provide the LEGAL service
The government and religious nutbags should keep their noses out of other people’s business
Comment by Wayne — July 11, 2007 @ 5:03 pm
I love you more than ever, Wayne. :)
July 11th, 2007 at 5:09 pmYep,
July 11th, 2007 at 5:12 pmSitting down with a newly oregnant woman and explaining all the choices they have in front of them and telling them that any decision they come to is their own choice is not performing abortions. They are paid to explain things not interject misleading info. Isn’t that what the government should be about? Here are the facts….if you don’t like choice a or b there is c.
The government and religious nutbags should keep their noses out of other people’s business
Comment by Wayne — July 11, 2007 @ 5:03 pm
I love you more than ever, Wayne. :)
Comment by Zooey
I feel all warm and fuzzy now hehe
July 11th, 2007 at 5:14 pmNot completely true. There are clinics that are not government funded that provide a full range of womens medical services including abortion.
With all the cuts to planned parenthood clinics, most women go to private clinics and practitioners that provide the LEGAL service
Comment by Wayne
But tax money does go to abortion facilities and staff. So as M12 said if tax money can go to abortions they should be able to go to sites like the one above.
July 11th, 2007 at 5:15 pmSitting down with a newly oregnant woman and explaining all the choices they have in front of them and telling them that any decision they come to is their own choice is not performing abortions. They are paid to explain things not interject misleading info. Isn’t that what the government should be about? Here are the facts….if you don’t like choice a or b there is c.
Comment by dlet
There should be a seperate facility with a seperate staff that does not do abortions for that.
July 11th, 2007 at 5:16 pmI bet the women who are forced to have kids they don’t want end up even sadder and using more drugs than those who have abortions
July 11th, 2007 at 5:17 pmThe government and religious nutbags should keep their noses out of other people’s business
Comment by Wayne — July 11, 2007 @ 5:03 pm
I love you more than ever, Wayne. :)
Comment by Zooey
I feel all warm and fuzzy now hehe
Comment by Wayne
You guys should go get a room, get pregnant and kill the baby.
July 11th, 2007 at 5:17 pmIsn’t that what the government should be about? Here are the facts….if you don’t like choice a or b there is c.
Comment by dlet
that is the way it should be for any medical decision, including abortion, birth control, cancer treatments, etc, etc. from government funded or private clinics, especially government funded clinics
No religious interjection at all.
July 11th, 2007 at 5:19 pmJust like creationism should never be taught as a science in government funded public schools.
*whoof**wap**erp**blah**burp**
Comment by abortionsforall
You should pull your head out of your a$$ before speaking, makes it hard to undertand you….
July 11th, 2007 at 5:21 pm#25 CT_V1
That’s right, the woman shouldn’t have had the child - as in, the woman should have refrained from intercourse. Why permit it to escalate the abortion stage when there are more responsible, simpler options?
That’s right! Women should be punished for having premarital sex. And what better punishment than making them have that baby. And if you want to really teach them a lesson, don’t let them have any financial assistance, don’t make healthcare affordable, and get rid of all these stupid early learning programs for kids. These women were bad and they need to be taught a lesson. Stick them with stupid, unhealthy kids. That’ll teach them.
By the way, what’s the punishment for men who have premarital sex?
July 11th, 2007 at 5:23 pmComment by Wayne
Personally, I want my government as scientifically cold and boring as possible. Give me the facts and let me make my decision.
July 11th, 2007 at 5:24 pmBut tax money does go to abortion facilities and staff. So as M12 said if tax money can go to abortions they should be able to go to sites like the one above.
Comment by yep
go read my post again. There are clinics that are NOT funded that offer these services.
July 11th, 2007 at 5:24 pmYou need to do something about that reading comprehension problem of yours
There should be a seperate facility with a seperate staff that does not do abortions for that.
Comment by yep
Ah the most favorite right-winger go-to. Separate but equal.
July 11th, 2007 at 5:27 pmAbortion – just another way for a man to “get over†on a woman
The man gets what he wants in exchange for some companionship for the women. A pregnancy results and the man tells the woman to express her liberty by destroying an unborn child.
Zooey’s concern for rape victims is admirable – if sincere, but about 93% of all abortions are done for the purpose of birth control. Unfortunately, stats are not available on how many of those abortions are done because the man either insisted on the abortion or threatened to leave the woman if she delivered the child.
An “imagine†freedom to choose and who benefits – the male.
From a pro-life bumper sticker: Who loves abortion? Irresponsible Men
Abortion – just another practice that makes the U.S. not worth saving…
July 11th, 2007 at 5:28 pmTry ecstatic relief.
July 11th, 2007 at 5:30 pmEmpowerment.
Relief.
Freedom.
Joy.
#69 chimpeach
Believe you left something out of you list.
An unwed mother, or a single mother, gives up her dreams and hopes. Often, everything in her life becomes “borderline.†There’s never enough money. The car is too old. There’s never any new clothes. There’s a parade of boyfriends tried – sometimes with disastrous results. Usually her life is never going to improve. They find themselves in situations that no amount of money can fix.
Then the ever famous: Wash. Rinse. Repeat. cycle for the children. Trapped in poverty and doomed to repeat the cycle.
For good or bad, the rule is that if you break the rule you’ll pay. Some escape, but most don’t.
I often work with single mothers, and I’ve heard so many times, “I’m a single mother.†that my mind is starting to hear, “I was stupid!â€
Some guy wants to get laid, and some woman spends the rest of her life getting over the consequences.
July 11th, 2007 at 5:42 pmComment by chimpeach
Women can choose not to have intercourse. It’s as simple as that.
What, really, is so tough to understand?
July 11th, 2007 at 5:45 pmgo read my post again. There are clinics that are NOT funded that offer these services.
You need to do something about that reading comprehension problem of yours
Comment by Wayne
So what if there are clinics that are not funded? There are many that are which is what I was talking about and I assume m12 was talking about. You are clearly missing the point that tax money does pay for abortion, not all but many.
July 11th, 2007 at 5:46 pmZooey’s concern for rape victims is admirable – if sincere….
Comment by bitblt
F*ck off, halfwit.
July 11th, 2007 at 5:47 pmNo one understands the emotional needs of a woman, not even a woman.
(This is not a slam. It’s a very brief summary of observations on the differences between a man and a woman. This summary has also been approved by my youngest daughter as being descriptive.)
It’s part of the Genesis 2
“For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and they will become one flesh.â€
You want protect yourself and your future family, then you go for one man one woman forever.
July 11th, 2007 at 5:48 pmSome guy wants to get laid, and some woman spends the rest of her life getting over the consequences.
Comment by bitblt
Stop pretending you care. You support taking away the right to one possible remedy to that situation.
Are you against birth control as well?
Also, please stop trotting out the “woman as man’s victim” routine. We are capable of independent thought and action, although that may surprise you — even if you are a woman.
Trust women — there will be fewer abortions.
July 11th, 2007 at 5:52 pmNo one understands the emotional needs of a woman, not even a woman.
Comment by bitblt
Now I know what I’m dealing with.
Dismissed.
July 11th, 2007 at 5:53 pmI feel all warm and fuzzy now hehe
Comment by Wayne
Hey, you’re the Guitar Man, and you’re brilliant. What’s not to love?
July 11th, 2007 at 5:55 pm#81
Believe you missed again!
You’re not dealing with me. You’re dealing with yourself.
July 11th, 2007 at 5:57 pmIt’s part of the Genesis 2
“For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and they will become one flesh.â€
You want protect yourself and your future family, then you go for one man one woman forever.
Comment by bitblt
If you have to impose your religious beliefs on others for a medical decision, then you are imposing on others rights and interfering in their right to their own religion or no religion as it their right under the Constitution.
July 11th, 2007 at 6:02 pmyou self rightious a$$hats need to understand that freedom of religion also gives us freedom FROM religion and religious tyrany.
Ah the most favorite right-winger go-to. Separate but equal.
Comment by dlet
What a completely irrelevent statement. How is saying abortion facilities should not be government funded the same as segregation of schools? I think counseling and abortion should be seperate, but certainly not equal.
July 11th, 2007 at 6:07 pmIf you have to impose your religious beliefs on others for a medical decision, then you are imposing on others rights and interfering in their right to their own religion or no religion as it their right under the Constitution.
you self rightious a$$hats need to understand that freedom of religion also gives us freedom FROM religion and religious tyrany.
Comment by Wayne
People should not be able to force their beliefs on others, especially unborn children that can’t speak up for themselves.
July 11th, 2007 at 6:08 pm#84
I offer the quote from Genesis as good advice.
There’s nothing in what I say that’s an attempt to impose my religious beliefs on anyone.
I certainly don’t see how I could impose my beliefs over the INet on anyone on TP.
I offer the quote as what I believe is the best advice that can be given: one man one woman forever.
I understand that to be “the rule.†You break it and you pay the consequences – some more that others.
If you have better advice, I’m all ears(eyes.)
I don’t believe that destroying and unborn will “fix†all of the pregnant woman’s problems – in all cases.
Besides, you probably know that Christianity is entirely voluntary. The worse thing a Christians is likely do to is “talk you to death,†and most stop if you ask them to.
July 11th, 2007 at 6:11 pmPlanned Parenthood has Already Received Over Two and a Half Billion Dollars From Taxpayers.
Abortion providers such as Planned Parenthood continue to receive millions of tax dollars every year under Title X, which subsidizes their overhead for promoting abortion as they divert more and more resources towards the killing of the unborn.
From the 105th through the 107th Congress, Planned Parenthood abortion services generated a net profit of $300 million. All the while, it cut back non-abortion related programs like adoption, breast cancer screening and infertility treatment.
Yea private choice!
July 11th, 2007 at 6:11 pm#86
That’s interesting about the ultrasounds.
Believe I read someplace of a pro-life group using a strategy of providing low cost ultra-sound to as many pregnant women as possible.
Seems the better women understand what is happening the less likely they are to have an abortion.
July 11th, 2007 at 6:14 pmThat’s interesting about the ultrasounds.
Believe I read someplace of a pro-life group using a strategy of providing low cost ultra-sound to as many pregnant women as possible.
Seems the better women understand what is happening the less likely they are to have an abortion.
Comment by bitblt
That is horrible for them to try and show women that it actually is a human inside them and not a ball of goo.
July 11th, 2007 at 6:16 pmYou’re not dealing with me. You’re dealing with yourself.
Comment by bitblt
God, you’re stupid — and projecting.
July 11th, 2007 at 6:26 pmI must sincerely ask . . . how can I have linked from a site on the tragedy of the Invisible Children of Uganda to a link titled “Women” and read the utter, ignorant posts about abortion? I’m simply speechless when people rant about the “religious right” and the “right to choose.” Murder is murder and there is no slant on this. The countless deaths of the people of Uganda by selfish, misguided men and the countless deaths of babies by selfish, misguided men . . . please tell me what is the difference? These senseless killings will never stop, not in yours and my lifetime while we can sit so righteous and claim to separate what death and killing means. It’s preposterous and such a lame, pathetic cop out when all those in support of abortion spew, “religious right” out of their empty mouths.
To Badmoodman (great name, fits well I’m sure), wow, you’re a true model for the pro-abortion poster. So let’s all run out have one, two or more abortions and then 20 some odd years later, still lovin’ life. Wow, gosh, it must be good to be you and sounding like such an idiot. Bet your wife and kids are proud! ;)
July 11th, 2007 at 6:34 pmbitblt:
The world is NOT black and white. You have the right to live by your religion. You do NOT have the right to force your faith on others.
If you truly want to lower the rate of legal abortions try adopting, help support a kid, and/or other assistance to a woman considering abortion.
July 11th, 2007 at 6:35 pmBut that’s too much effort for you. You and your ilk would rather demand that Gov’t force your FAITH on others.
anele roberts: empty post with lots of words.
July 11th, 2007 at 6:38 pmNo one understands the emotional needs of a woman, not even a woman.
Comment by bitblt
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July 11th, 2007 at 6:49 pmhEyOoo00Oo0O0oO0Oo0O0oO0Oo0O0oO0Oo0OOOO0O0O!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I am so tired of listening to the use of the term “unborn child” when referring to a FETUS. These nuts go so far as to simply call this product of conception a “child”. This is utter nonsense.
I suppose by their twisted labeling, I am an “undead adult” …?? or what..?
I generally refuse to engage in discussions about the subject of abortion because it is pointless. There is no possible way to exchange ideas on the subject.
The simplest statement is just:
If you oppose abortions, don’t have one.
July 11th, 2007 at 7:06 pm“…some women say that they feel sad.”
Well, I’m sure other women say “thank God I live in America and can have the procedure I need despite the rabid right wing Bible-wielding maniacs that wouldn’t know morality if it jumped up and bit them on their winky.”
Well, some women say that, somewhere, I’m sure. I mean, it’s a big planet and all…
July 11th, 2007 at 7:13 pmIf you oppose abortions, don’t have one.
Comment by christofascistmakemepuke
And if you don’t KILL, KILL, KILL!
July 11th, 2007 at 7:14 pmAll this talk about Fetus — whatever happened to the Marshall, Doc, and Miss Kitty?
July 11th, 2007 at 7:15 pmPlanned Parenthood assisted me, shortly after marriage, with birth control. They helped me find a helpful doctor for a reproductive system infection, and guided me in educating my (now) responsible, mature sons about human sexuality. They do wonders, despite the negative smears and fearful, fundamentalist oppression thrown at them.
For those who don’t want an abortion, don’t have one. But keep your religious views out of my medical consultation. You don’t have the right to impose your warped theology on my body.
July 11th, 2007 at 7:38 pmThe ultimate misogynist tool: abortion. Planned Abortionhood founded by a racist woman who wanted to keep “negro” babies from being born and then goes on to promote population control to all races. All the while, women are carefully led down a road of indoctrination with lies about “liberation” and “rights” by men who want to have more sex without consequence. The natural maternal instincts are desensitized and the violent act occurs physically on the baby and emotionally / psychologically on the mother - the mother giving no choice to the child and trying to talk herself into believing that it is her right only. After the fact, sometimes years later, the woman is haunted by her decision or continues to believe it was best and often needs therapy to overcome the guilt.
It’s an endless cycle of violence that continues to go on. As liberals go nuts over 3600 Americans deaths in Iraq that were by their own free will, they adamantly defend the decision to stop the human hearts of 35 million unborn babies who had absolutely no choice.
Nice
July 11th, 2007 at 7:40 pmEmerald - I wonder if unborn children wished you kept your warped ideology away from their bodies?
July 11th, 2007 at 7:42 pmCome the next election, ABORT all the sanctimonious, holier-than-thou hypocritical Republicans. I know I’ll feel “relief and happiness” after all these un-American religious thugs are flushed out of office.
Oh, by the way, the human, unborn fetus is the newest IDOL that conservative religious types have chosen to WORSHIP in place of God. And we all know not to get between a conservative religious thug and the IDOL they are worshipping at any given time…one could get killed. For example, how many clinic doctors and clinic workers have been murdered by conservative religious thugs? How many conservative religious thugs have sprinkled powder into envelopes while sitting at their kitchen table, and mailed these “terrorist” letters off to family planning centers? How many conservative religious thugs realize that everything they believe and practice contradicts completely the teachings of Jesus Christ…who was hardly a conservative religious thug????
July 11th, 2007 at 7:58 pmOracle - can it.
Ted Kaczynsky ring a bell?
July 11th, 2007 at 8:06 pmPlanned Murderhood is big business.
They only do one thing well. They offer one service. Kill the innocent and come back again and again…
Comment by Flaco — July 11, 2007 @ 6:08 pm
Yes, we all know that you endorse the Planned Murder of innocent Iraqi citizens, Flakehead.
July 11th, 2007 at 8:14 pmYep, it’s up to the fat, rich, elite, white,male,delusional,sanctimonious, holier-than-thou, church going hypocrites who so ably represent no-one but their puppet-masters in the senate and congress to decide if any woman can receive any abortion, for any reason.
July 11th, 2007 at 8:32 pmEric..or should I be courteous and say Mr. Rudolph?????
July 11th, 2007 at 8:57 pmThe right of a woman to choose whether to have a abortion is about exercising her choice. This is a privacy issue. Government and religion have no say in this matter. It is also a medical decision that must take place between the doctor and the patient. The government can’t tell people what to do in their private lives. HHS is clearly stepping out of its boundaries by relating this false information.
The government can’t tell American women how they should or should not feel morally. It is not for them to say. Also making such blanket statements about how women feel is wrong. Congress should investigate this to see if any laws were broken. If it finds that laws or agency regulations were violated then it should ask for a special prosecutor to be appointed to begin an investigation into the practices of HHS.
July 11th, 2007 at 9:48 pmEric-fetuses wish nothing. Women, however, do. They wish you would keep your chauvenistic oppresive attitudes to yourself. Impose it on your own family, if you want, but don’t dare force me to cowtow to your choices.
This absurdity is stated another way: You don’t trust me with a choice, why would you trust me with a child?
Again, I state, every woman should have the choice regarding her own reproduction. Efforts to subject women to state-regulated reproduction will always be evil, and always lead to the unnecessary injury and death of women.
July 11th, 2007 at 9:52 pmbitbit:
Abraham, Sarah and Hagar.
Jacob, Leah and Rachel.
The wives of King David.
The wives of King Solomon.
Point to a single monogamous couple in the Old Testament or the New that is held up as an exemplar.
July 11th, 2007 at 10:00 pm“Women can choose not to have intercourse. It’s as simple as that.”
Men can choose to be honorable and not try to f*ck anything in a skirt when they aren’t married to her. I’m so sick of hearing men blame women for getting pregnant when they can easily avoid the situation by never having sex unless it’s with their wives whom they wish to have children with.
July 11th, 2007 at 11:19 pm“Planned Murderhood is big business.”
Having babies is big business. Babies ‘r Us. PPOs. Come on, there’s way more money to be made in women giving birth than having abortions. Weak argument.
July 11th, 2007 at 11:21 pmI went to Planned Parenthood all through high school and college. I got Pap tests, blood tests, urine analysis and yes: affordable birth control pills. I never got an abortion from Planned Parenthood.
July 11th, 2007 at 11:25 pmDude, honestly, I think more women should be aware of the psychological effects of an abortion, and if more sites made it known it would be awesome.
The problem is, most women are surveyed about their abortion immediately after. Of course they feel relief, their problem has been solved.
It’s not until months or years later that the real trauma sets in.
July 12th, 2007 at 12:04 pmLiterature and counseling is provided at most abortion clinics. Before the abortion is performed, you are asked repeatedly “are you sure you want to proceed?” You are asked one final time before the procedure begins “are you sure you want to proceed?”.
If a woman is going to have an abortion, she has a repsonsibility to gather as much information as possible, and information concerning the psycological effects of an abortion is readily available.
This mess is more propaganda by the right-to-life movement to frighten women and sway them from exercising their constitutional right to make a choice to have or not to have an abortion.
The trauma of an abortion for most women doesn’t take months or years, for many women it happens before, during and immediately after the abortion. I should know, I had an abortion in 1999. I regret having the abortion, however I do not regret that a law exists allowing me the ability to make that choice and then if I choose to do so, I am able to have the procedure in a safe environment.
I do not and will not allow the government or any man or woman to interfere with my choice to have or not have an abortion, or any woman’s choice to have or not have an abortion. I believe that I am responsible for my birth control, because this is my body and I am responsible for the choice I make.
July 12th, 2007 at 3:27 pm“It’s not until months or years later that the real trauma sets in.”
Huh. I had an abortion when I was 18. I’m 43 now. Still no trauma.
And lest anyone judge me, we were using birth control. We did marry eventually, but he turned into a control freak who became abusive. I divorced him after four years of marriage. It would have been horrific if a child had been in the midst of all that.
July 12th, 2007 at 4:59 pmListening to all this heart wrenching and heated discussion of the issue of abortion, it is such a relief to be gay and male. It is beyond imagination to consider having sex with a woman. No way.
July 12th, 2007 at 7:50 pm