House passes college financial aid bill.
By on Jul 11th, 2007 at 10:11 pm
House passes college financial aid bill.
In a 273-149 vote, House today passed the College Cost Reduction Act, which “would boost college financial aid by about $18 billion over the next five years and cut federal subsidies to lenders,” the “single largest increase in college aid since the GI bill in 1944.”
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Nice bill. Too bad it doesn’t stand a chance of getting through the Repuke-obstructed Senate.
July 11th, 2007 at 10:18 pmThe wankers will go on and on. God forbid we should help the kids.
But, on the other hand,
New Dehli Lesbian Soap Opera
Hey, a good story is a good story.
July 11th, 2007 at 10:20 pmThe Arizona Republic
Jun. 22, 2007 12:00 AM
FLAGSTAFF – The Arizona Board of Regents on Thursday gave a 25 percent raise in pay and benefits to Arizona State University President Michael Crow.
The board voted unanimously on the unprecedented five-year contract, which raises Crow’s annual salary and benefits to more than $720,000 a year. He also gets a one-time bonus of $600,000, paid with private funds, if he remains president for five years.
For a while there I was worried how they would afford this. Problem solved!
July 11th, 2007 at 10:23 pmBravo. Now watch the chymp veto it.
July 11th, 2007 at 10:36 pmEjakation is bad for repukelickins.
Yeah, just wait until it gets to the Senate. They will filibuster it for sure. I hope that the Senate starts making them actually filibuster bills and stops backing off on the threat of a filibuster. We need to get these jokers on the record.
July 11th, 2007 at 10:36 pmThe republicans will kill this in the senate, none of the repigs get rich off sending kids to school. More money for bombs or bridge projects to line some fat cat pockets.
July 11th, 2007 at 10:43 pmThe question will be, which obscure provision in the bill will they point to as the excuse to block it?
July 11th, 2007 at 10:43 pmThe question will be, which obscure provision in the bill will they point to as the excuse to block it?
Comment by Del Capslock — July 11, 2007 @ 10:43 pm
Just the part that benefits young people who want to learn something.
July 11th, 2007 at 10:51 pmThe question will be, which obscure provision in the bill will they point to as the excuse to block it?
Comment by Del Capslock — July 11, 2007 @ 10:43 pm
That’s simple. They’ll go after the parts that are designed to hurt the predatory lenders milking our young, and putting them deep into debt long before they’ve entered the workforce. You know, because everything, everywhere, under all circumstances must be FOR-PROFIT in a Republican’s world. If the profit motive is eliminated, according to the boneheads who represent the modern Republicans, then the whole system will collapse. Because anything that is for-profit is by definition good, and anything not-for-profit is by definition bad.
I mean, if we don’t let the predatory lenders swindle our kids out of their money, someone else will swindle them first. Right? Right? Who’s with the Republicans on this? I mean, the predatory lending companies are paying Republicans to run for office, so they must be good. Right?
Imbecilic, greedy, slimy, no-good traitors to the ideals our forefathers paid for with their blood, sweat and tears. All who put party, money, or company above country are traitors to America.
July 11th, 2007 at 11:00 pmGood, but Bush might veto the bill because he is damn mean.
July 11th, 2007 at 11:02 pmpraise be to the market!! let the market decide! lets ask the market what billy should be.
July 11th, 2007 at 11:04 pmmoderation, you are damn near as crazy as I am!
July 11th, 2007 at 11:06 pmor a while there I was worried how they would afford this. Problem solved!
Comment by beefeater
Strawman argument! No relationship between the 2! NEXT!!!
July 11th, 2007 at 11:20 pmI think Bush is just getting even with the American people, seeing as how they made him the most unpopular president ever! He will try to screw Americans every chance he gets.
July 11th, 2007 at 11:26 pmI think Bush is just getting even with the American people, seeing as how they made him the most unpopular president ever! He will try to screw Americans every chance he gets.
Comment by paland
I keep wondering if this is payback for what the Feds did to Grandpa – Prescott “I’maNazi” Bush – back during WW II.
July 11th, 2007 at 11:35 pmGive the students more aid and loans for them to suck up. How about controlling costs. Kill some foo-foo degree programs and how about some more online and cable classes instead of buildings to start.
Comment by beefeater
No relationship between the 2 in the least. The colleges aren’t going to charge less when the students have to take out loans thru privatized services that hit them w/ exorbitant interest rates. If anything, it’s this whole “privatize/make money” ethic that’s the problem.
July 11th, 2007 at 11:40 pmI think this has to pass the Senate now and not much gets past the repugs who reside there. They prefer to be obstructionists; they also don’t want kids who need financial aid to get college educations — they need them for the army.
July 11th, 2007 at 11:50 pmThey only want children of well-to-do parents to attend college – the ones who don’t need financial aid (except for those Bush tax cuts for the rich).
It continues to be more like 1907 instead of 2007, we have robber barons (oil) — we have the business owners who employ the underpaid and overworked, in often less than a healthful or safe environment — only the rich are college educated; the masses are working in those underpaid and overworked places — women and minorities are not on equal par with white men — and the poor are getting poorer while the sick are getting sicker because they can’t afford to seek medical care.
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — July 11, 2007 @ 11:40 pm
You’re a Communist idiot!
July 11th, 2007 at 11:57 pmOh please, oh please, oh please…daughter got into Mnt. Holyoke, costing me 3,661.50 a month for 10 months a year….she worked hard but that is killing me and my wife.
July 12th, 2007 at 12:07 amIf anything, it’s this whole “privatize/make money†ethic that’s the problem.
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity
BINGO!!!!! WE HAVE A WINNER!!!!!!
shut up pip you troll neanderthal
July 12th, 2007 at 12:07 amMoney in politics = corruption
Money in health care = death and suffering
Money in education = lifetime of debt/uneducated masses/class system/slower ecconomic growth/slower humanitarian grow/slower technological growth/slower human growth
Money in legislation = facism
common denominator is?
July 12th, 2007 at 12:10 amIt continues to be more like 1907 instead of 2007, we have robber barons (oil) — we have the business owners who employ the underpaid and overworked, in often less than a healthful or safe environment — only the rich are college educated; the masses are working in those underpaid and overworked places — women and minorities are not on equal par with white men — and the poor are getting poorer while the sick are getting sicker because they can’t afford to seek medical care.
Comment by Marie — July 11, 2007 @ 11:50 pm
This is completely by design. These dirty bastards WANT the country to be that way. What they REALLY want is the restoration of slavery. They simply know now that they can never regain true slavery again. So, they are willing to settle for indentured servitude. With this comes a social gap, not just an economic gap, between the upper and lower classes. And of course, the elimination of the middle class altogether.
Yet another of those few and far between matters that should be free to all Americans: A college education. Really, the list of things that should be *cue dramatic music…dun dun dunnnnnn!* socialized in this country is incredibly small, in my opinion. Far, far smaller than what we currently socialize. Considerably smaller than the ideas spewed by the hypocrite Republicans (and a definite faction of corporate-owned Democrats, and likewise some independants, of course!), who seem to think that subsidizing massive numbers of private for-profit businesses, even if they fail because the market has spoken, is just fine and dandy. But using that same money to make sure that everyone in America can be educated, live long, healthy, productive lives, or to otherwise make sure that the worst-off of our citizens can also experience life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness? To a corporate whore, that is the worst thing you can ever suggest, because that take money out of THEIR pockets…even if it’s tax money…meaning ALL OF OUR MONEY…that they by all rights don’t deserve…and without bribery in government (lobbying) WOULDN’T have gotten in the first place. But…but…but…it’s not HOW they got the money, because that is irrelevant…or some such hooey.
It is by design.
July 12th, 2007 at 12:16 amwillyloman,
July 12th, 2007 at 12:17 amHow does it feel to know that your extremist muslim brothers will all be dead soon?!?!
heyooooOOOOOOOooooOOOOoOOoOoOOoOooO0o0o0o0!!!!
it is by design. and I would much rather see colleges being built than for profit prisons.
Look up ALEC. think tank for domestic policy funded by insurance and pharma and corrections companies. They have right on the website all the laws in the different states they are working on and the PR slogans they will use to push the public into thinking its for their best interests.
Free secondary education will be harder to get than national healthcare. This issue is a money maker for the banking industry. They will fight tooth and nail to stop it.
July 12th, 2007 at 12:20 amYou’re a Communist idiot!
Comment by PiP
Oh, hell no, you clueless moron. That’s yet another strawman argument.
July 12th, 2007 at 12:21 amComment by PiP
How does it feel to know you will never have an original thought?
July 12th, 2007 at 12:21 amBINGO!!!!! WE HAVE A WINNER!!!!!!
shut up pip you troll neanderthal
Comment by willyloman
Thanks for covering my back, Willie. I’ve been over on the Huckabee thread slapping trolls around.
July 12th, 2007 at 12:22 amHow does it feel to know that your extremist muslim brothers will all be dead soon?!?!
heyooooOOOOOOOooooOOOOoOOoOoOOoOooO0o0o0o0!!!!
Comment by PiP
Yet ANOTHER irrational comment. NEXT!!!
July 12th, 2007 at 12:23 amHow does it feel to know that your extre can gomist muslim brothers will all be dead soon?!?!
That sounds good. And take the extremist Christian and Joos too! All extremists
July 12th, 2007 at 12:24 amI missed the troll shoot? damn. this one we’ll have to share.
July 12th, 2007 at 12:25 amComment by The Republic of Stupidity — July 12, 2007 @ 12:21 am
It is not an argument.
It is an assertion.
Therefore, it is not an example of your new favorite phrase “a straw man.”
Use “the googles” and look it up so you won’t embarrass yourself yet again.
July 12th, 2007 at 12:25 amPiP? Why does your butt smell like cheese on payday?
July 12th, 2007 at 12:26 amOh, hell no, you clueless moron. That’s yet another strawman argument.
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — July 12, 2007 @ 12:21 am
But TRoS, didn’t you get the memo? Americans no longer absorb the best parts of every model of government, business model, or other idea. We don’t take what really works well in Communist states, combine it with what works in Socialist Republics, toss in the best of a Parliamentary form of Democratic Republic, and the biggest strengths of Capitalism. Nope, we just believe in Capitalism now. The mighty dollar is the end-all, be-all form of…everything. Money is the only thing in the entire world that can save humanity.
I’m aghast that you did not know that!
/snark
July 12th, 2007 at 12:28 amUse “the googles†and look it up so you won’t embarrass yourself yet again.
Comment by PiP
Actually, it is an argument, and a strawman at that. You’re “asserting” that I’m a Communist because I dislike “privatization” of everything under the sun. There’s no correlation between the 2. It is a false ‘assertion” at best, and a form of argument.
From Wikipedia:
One can set up a straw man in the following ways:
Present a misrepresentation of the opponent’s position, refute it, and pretend that the opponent’s actual position has been refuted.
Quote an opponent’s words out of context — i.e., choose quotations that are not representative of the opponent’s actual intentions (see contextomy). – THIS IS WHAT YOU DID!
Present someone who defends a position poorly as the defender, refute that person’s arguments, and pretend that every upholder of that position, and thus the position itself, has been defeated.
Invent a fictitious persona with actions or beliefs that are criticized, and pretend that the person represents a group of whom the speaker is critical.
Oversimplify a person’s argument into a simple analogy, which can then be attacked.
Some logic textbooks define the straw man fallacy only as a misrepresented argument.
It is now common, however, to use the term to refer to all of these tactics.
IT IS NOW COMMON TO USE THE TERM TO REFER TO ALL OF THESE TACTICS.
Hey, I know how to sue the “Internets” and the “Google”!!!
July 12th, 2007 at 12:37 amI missed the troll shoot? damn. this one we’ll have to share.
Comment by willyloman
There’s still some shootin’ going on over there. Go bag a few.
July 12th, 2007 at 12:38 am“PiP? Why does your butt smell like cheese on payday?”
Comment by willyloman — July 12, 2007 @ 12:26 am
Because Jeff Gannon uses Cheezy Stiffs(TM)?
July 12th, 2007 at 12:38 amBecause Jeff Gannon uses Cheezy Stiffs(TM)?
Comment by Jane E. Schneider
lol hi Jane
July 12th, 2007 at 12:44 amHey, Jane.
Who is this Jeff Gannon fellow?
and by the way, you can’t use caps when you do the ™ thing, just use lower case:
( + t + m + ) = ™
July 12th, 2007 at 12:45 amthing keeps resetting the fields. I got lazy. I’m trying to make a Cheezy Stiffs fake ad that links to the White House.
July 12th, 2007 at 12:46 amand by the way, you can’t use caps when you do the ™ thing, just use lower case:
( + t + m + ) = â„¢
Comment by PiP — July 12, 2007 @ 12:45 am
Sorry, on my computer at work it does it automatically with the caps. Thanks.
July 12th, 2007 at 12:49 amWho is this Jeff Gannon fellow?
Comment by PiP
Apparently KKKarl’s “boyfriend”. W/out solid proof of that (pun intended), at the least, we can say he’s a gay male escort who visited the WH over 200 hundred times.
July 12th, 2007 at 12:50 amI rather suspect that Republican Senators will indeed block it, but the thing is that this kind of bill is extremely popular. The more of these bills they block, the more likely that they will take a hit in 2008. We’re already seeing some of them duck for cover on Iraq. Keep the pressure on — make them block popular bills, make them actually filibuster, make them go on record in Iraq, and so on. The more the merrier.
The more of this we can pull off, the more likely it is that 2008 will finally put an end to this crap and maybe pull down the nutcases in the Republican Party for at least a generation.
July 12th, 2007 at 12:52 amFiaz, you’re little board has sure gone to hell in the last few months. it used to be fun, now it’s like everything else that a Muslim touches, PIG SHIT!!
Comment by beefeater — July 12, 2007 @ 12:54 am
Let me correct that for you, shiteater: “Bush, your little country has sure gone to hell in the last 6 years. It used to be great, now it’s like everything else that you touch, PIG SHIT!”
Much better!
July 12th, 2007 at 1:02 amPIG SHIT!!
Comment by beefeater
You seem to know an awful lot about porcine excrement, son. Perhaps you are a sow fornicator in your spare time?
July 12th, 2007 at 1:10 amThis means that the costs of college will be going up.
Universities charge whatever kids can afford. And if kids can afford more, schools will charge more.
Good news for university teachers and admin, though. Raises coming!
July 12th, 2007 at 1:15 amAll need to take notice and watch … these R’s will be blocking this and are blocking all other bills of importance …. how un American…
July 12th, 2007 at 1:16 amThank you, Dems! …I’m really going to need this when I transfer to a 4yr university next year!!!
I’ve been able to work my way through junior college, but when I transfer I’m going to get hammered with debt! …Of course, I’ll probably get screwed because on paper it will look like I don’t “need” aid since I work and go to school full time :(
July 12th, 2007 at 1:56 amComment by ShamRockNRoll — July 12, 2007 @ 1:56 am
Don’t let shane know that you go to a junior college, she will get become a typical lefty elitist on you.
Watch out for the lurking libtards!
July 12th, 2007 at 2:08 amGood on the Dems!
July 12th, 2007 at 2:21 amDon’t let shane know that you go to a junior college, she will get become a typical lefty elitist on you.
Watch out for the lurking libtards!
Comment by PiP
Well, that’s a compete non-sequitur for ya.
July 12th, 2007 at 2:24 amThis is a step in the right direction.
July 12th, 2007 at 2:31 amGraduate school just started looking a lot more appealing…
July 12th, 2007 at 2:52 amWe tout the new college financial aid bill and it is good. (It is said the be the “single largest increase in college aid since the GI bill in 1944.â€) However, it proposes to increase aid by $18 billion over the next five years, but we are spending $12 billion a MONTH in an unnecessary war in Iraq.
July 12th, 2007 at 7:15 amCost of education has been going up for two reasons. 1) Inflation naturally raises the costs of all products and services, 2) The government under Bush 2 has been cutting education subsidies from the beginning of his reign.
July 12th, 2007 at 9:24 amThis should make clear that this administration, and Republicans don’t care about education except for their own. They will make it too costly for those in the middle class to afford and thus dumb down the country and fill it with the sheeple who follow them.
Does money grow on trees for these Democrats?
July 12th, 2007 at 10:36 pmComment by Ashen Shard — July 12, 2007 @ 9:24 am
You forgot Title IX and all the liberal ‘recreation’ programs that Universities pay for, like hundreds of thousands of dollars for Michal Moore to speak!
July 12th, 2007 at 10:39 pm