Christian right disrupts first Hindu prayer in the Senate.
By on Jul 12th, 2007 at 5:40 pm
Christian right disrupts first Hindu prayer in the Senate.
For the first time in history, a Hindu today delivered the Senate’s morning invocation. But three protestors belonging to the Christian Right anti-abortion group Operation Save America loudly interrupted the invocation, stating, “Lord Jesus, forgive us father for allowing a prayer of the wicked, which is an abomination in your sight.” Watch it:
TPM’s Eric Kleefeld spoke with the head of Operation Save America today, who called the Hindu invocation “gross idolatry.”
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Disgusting!
July 12th, 2007 at 5:42 pmthis is what happens when you have fundamentalist christian ideologues attempting to impose their religious beliefs on an entire nation, beliefs fueled by rigid dogmatism, bigotry, homophobia, and intolerance of other religious beliefs, all implicitly sanctioned by the presidential administration and the republican party… even though it’s been overused and abused, the correct term here is indeed the “american taliban…”
And, yes, I DO take it personally
July 12th, 2007 at 5:42 pmTHE DEMOCRAT CORRUPTION IN CONGRESS MUST STOP!!!!!!
July 12th, 2007 at 5:42 pmWhat does the Pope think?
July 12th, 2007 at 5:43 pmAmerican Taliban
July 12th, 2007 at 5:43 pmI wonder who or how the the GOP tipped off the WingNuts on this one?
July 12th, 2007 at 5:44 pmReally a disgrace. Christian Theology will rule America one day – mark my words.
This is America not India. We are blessed by God not Vishnu!!!
July 12th, 2007 at 5:44 pmEr, isn’t freedom of religion one of the founding principles of the U.S.?
July 12th, 2007 at 5:44 pm4. What does the Pope think?
July 12th, 2007 at 5:45 pm* * *
Both the right-wing Christians AND the Hindus are going to hell. ; )
Wow, what a bunch of idiots those Christo-fascists are
July 12th, 2007 at 5:45 pmAmerican Taliban
Comment by Texas Democrat
Yep
July 12th, 2007 at 5:45 pm#8: Hey! It’s one nation under God!
July 12th, 2007 at 5:46 pmReal Classy, Christians. What an embarrassment you all are.
July 12th, 2007 at 5:46 pmOh, you guys take that “freedom of religion” stuff waaaaay too seriously!
The Founding Fathers didn’t actually mean it!
July 12th, 2007 at 5:47 pmHey idiot neanderthals, GOD DOES NOT EXIST….freaking subhuman idiots.
Your stupid made up god does not exist….if you thought about it for 2 seconds you would figure that out.
And by the way good going on being the intolerent bigots that you are….guess that makes the Hindus better people than you also.
God is not dead, he never existed.
July 12th, 2007 at 5:48 pmI’m certainly glad to hear they were given the boot. This kind of thing gives Christianity a bad name. What are they so afraid of?
July 12th, 2007 at 5:48 pmthe extremist Christian Right are evil, just like the Taliban. (as previously mentioned.) they worship Power, Greed and Control.
July 12th, 2007 at 5:48 pmanybody who has a hint of spiritualism in them knows one should help thy neighbor, not hate thy neighbor.
Hey! It’s freedom of religion. But then it’s supposed to be a government of the people, by the people, for the people…
July 12th, 2007 at 5:48 pmTHANK YOU!
Run along to the sanctuaries in your own downtrodden sh*t hole countries you hindu/muslamoid/etc. bums.
July 12th, 2007 at 5:48 pmFor the retards among us:
http://christiananswers.net/dictionary/god.html
July 12th, 2007 at 5:48 pmEr, isn’t freedom of religion one of the founding principles of the U.S.?
Comment by RushHater — July 12, 2007 @ 5:44 pm
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The Founding Fathers would not have approved of some robe wearing foreigner speaking in front of Congress.
July 12th, 2007 at 5:49 pmwhat is wrong with these people?
July 12th, 2007 at 5:50 pmOnly three showed up?
That means that the rest of their church thinks they’re idiots.
July 12th, 2007 at 5:50 pmDear #12: “Under God” was added to the Pledge of Allegiance in the 1950s thanks to McCarthy.
July 12th, 2007 at 5:50 pmSo much for separation of church and state.
Alas, fine nation…I knew you well.
July 12th, 2007 at 5:51 pmThat means that the rest of their church thinks they’re idiots.
Comment by CD
July 12th, 2007 at 5:51 pmThat means that the rest of their church thinks they’re idiots.
Comment by CD
That means the rest of them are still at work at the Justice Department shredding documents
July 12th, 2007 at 5:52 pmDaerest God, please forgive these Christians for their fanaticism and for using your name to promote their ungodly and evil War.
I pray that you will show the hypocritical right-wing fools the errors in their ways and bring our soldiers back from Bush’s War safely.
July 12th, 2007 at 5:53 pmThis type of religious intolerance has become the hallmark of the “Christian” Right. They think the 1st ammendment only applies to their religion and their speech. How shameful to interrupt a prayer with their vile, lunatic rantings.
July 12th, 2007 at 5:53 pmWhat does the Pope think?
Comment by Bodo Reisling
The Holy Father doesn’t think much of any church but his.
http://tinyurl.com/2op27u
Gather all the little bigots to Me.
July 12th, 2007 at 5:53 pmTHANK YOU!
Run along to the sanctuaries in your own downtrodden sh*t hole countries you hindu/muslamoid/etc. bums.
Comment by CT_V1 — July 12, 2007 @ 5:48 pm
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Hey CT!
July 12th, 2007 at 5:53 pmAmerikan Taliban strikes a blow, or blows a strike, or both.
July 12th, 2007 at 5:53 pmDear #12: “Under God†was added to the Pledge of Allegiance in the 1950s thanks to McCarthy.
Comment by CC in NC — July 12, 2007 @ 5:50 pm
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A true patriot who loved his country unlike the traitors around here!!!
July 12th, 2007 at 5:54 pmI read an interesting book called Constantine and the Bishops. It points out that pagan Rome thought the gods punished society collectively for the public sins of a few, and their main objection to Christians was their refusal to engage in the communal religious rituals, including the worship of the Emperor’s genius (protector spirit) – analogous to the JWs’ refusal to say the pledge. Christianity was persecuted because the pagans were afraid that Christians’ decision to opt out of communal worship would be seen as a snub by the gods, who would punish the community collectively for permitting that snub.
Conservative Christians are the new pagans. Their god punishes collectively, so any presence of any unorthodox worship in public risks raising their god’s ire.
It’s a sign of how backward their thinking – and theology – is.
July 12th, 2007 at 5:54 pmNext we should have someone read a passage from Thomas Jefferson’s copy of the Koran and we can watch the heads implode of the fringers…..
July 12th, 2007 at 5:54 pmYou don’t need to travel to Kandahar to learn about theocracy. You can get it right here in the U.S., courtesy of the American Taliban.
July 12th, 2007 at 5:55 pmThe Mind of a Lefty:
Christianity/judaism = bad
America = bad
The President of the USA = bad
Islam/Hindu/Voodoo = Good!
July 12th, 2007 at 5:56 pmIran = Good!
Amonajihad = Good!
The Founding Fathers would not have approved of some robe wearing foreigner speaking in front of Congress.
Comment by the king
And what would they think of Rudee in a dress in front of Congress?
July 12th, 2007 at 5:56 pmleave it to the Christian Taliban to display their hypocricy and fervent hatred of their fellow man.
July 12th, 2007 at 5:56 pmDid someone say “the Koran”?
“[2.224] And make not Allah because of your swearing (by Him) an obstacle to your doing good and guarding (against evil) and making peace between men, and Allah is Hearing, Knowing.”
July 12th, 2007 at 5:57 pmI am very liberal but i agree with RIGHT on this why invite Hindu preacher when all three relegion believe hinduism as an abomination.
We are tolerant society and we believe and Trust in One God not 3000 Gods.
July 12th, 2007 at 5:57 pmNext we should have someone read a passage from Thomas Jefferson’s copy of the Koran and we can watch the heads implode of the fringers…..
Comment by Rick — July 12, 2007 @ 5:54 pm
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Jefferson was a DemocRat so it’s no surprise that he loved foreigners.
July 12th, 2007 at 5:57 pm#37 Was it a conscious decision to defend hatred and support derision or just an ethical lapse?
July 12th, 2007 at 5:58 pmAnd while I have your ear, Great Bearded Wonder, please forgive me for ejaculating in the communion wine. I am older now and see that probably crossed some line. It was funny at the time though and I thought it gave new meaning to the “Blood of Christ”.
July 12th, 2007 at 5:58 pmHey, aren’t there supposed to be roped off, isolated “free speech zones” for this kind of thing?
July 12th, 2007 at 5:59 pmWe are tolerant society and we believe and Trust in One God not 3000 Gods.
Comment by Casey
So, your god is…right? And everyone elses….is what?
July 12th, 2007 at 5:59 pmStupid Christo-zealots. If you can’t practice what you preach, you’re going to rot in Hell for eternity for ye are merely a wolf (the Devil) in sheep’s clothing.
July 12th, 2007 at 5:59 pmBurn baby, BURN!
What? did someone say “The Koran”?
[8.61] And if they incline to peace, then incline to it and trust in Allah; surely He is the Hearing, the Knowing.
July 12th, 2007 at 6:00 pmThis was disgusting behavior by un-American pseudo-christians.
July 12th, 2007 at 6:00 pmRick,
Great reference, I don’t know that any of the supposed “patriots” of the right will know who Thomas Jefferson is though.
July 12th, 2007 at 6:01 pmBut three protestors belonging to the Christian Right anti-abortion group Operation Save America loudly interrupted the invocation
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Very rude and embarrassing. I hope “protestors” were quickly escorted out of the building and tossed on their butts….just like those Code Pink nutters.
July 12th, 2007 at 6:02 pmThat email address for “Operation Save America:”
osa@operationsaveamerica.org
July 12th, 2007 at 6:03 pmGreat reference, I don’t know that any of the supposed “patriots†of the right will know who Thomas Jefferson is though.
Comment by Texas Democrat — July 12, 2007 @ 6:01 pm
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A foreigner loving DemocRat that’s who!!
July 12th, 2007 at 6:03 pmFor the people ranting about someone wearing robes in the Senate…
…have you ever seen the SCOTUS? Do you know why judges wear robes?
Ever heard of the Greeks?…democracy….wore robes.
July 12th, 2007 at 6:03 pmYou Rightwing Religous nut jobs are just embarassing yourselves here, PiP you are an A$$, and you too white trash King!!!!!!!
GODS DO NOT EXIST, IT IS MADE UP
Chew on that intolerent scum.
July 12th, 2007 at 6:03 pmThis was disgusting behavior by un-American pseudo-christians.
Comment by Zooey — July 12, 2007 @ 6:00 pm
Thank you for showing maturity in the face of so many who just want to piss and moan and claim these idiots represent all Christians.
July 12th, 2007 at 6:04 pmIf Hillary wins then shortly it will be daily Islamist “prayers”.
July 12th, 2007 at 6:05 pmthe mind of a righty:
“The Mind of a Lefty:
Christianity/judaism = bad
America = bad
The President of the USA = bad
Islam/Hindu/Voodoo = Good!
Iran = Good!
Amonajihad = Good!”
why is there any prayer, period?
July 12th, 2007 at 6:05 pmWe are tolerant society and we believe and Trust in One God not 3000 Gods.
Comment by Casey — July 12, 2007 @ 5:57 pm
That is not a tolerant statement.
You don’t have to believe in 3000 Gods, you only have to respect the Hindu right to believe what they believe — just like you expect them to respect YOUR right to believe in your God.
July 12th, 2007 at 6:05 pmPiP, are you “THE KING!!!” as well, or are you being name-jacked?
July 12th, 2007 at 6:06 pmBLASPHEMER! Why my Super Duper Invisible Spagetti Monster Lord is the Best!
Of course Mine is there. Can’t they see that their God is Silly!
But Mine is True! Just read this 2000 year old book. See! facts!
July 12th, 2007 at 6:06 pmPiP, are you “THE KING!!!†as well, or are you being name-jacked?
Comment by CT_V1 — July 12, 2007 @ 6:06 pm
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The King is here reporting for duty!!
July 12th, 2007 at 6:07 pmComment by Zooey — July 12, 2007 @ 6:05 pm
The can believe what they choose to believe in their own country.
July 12th, 2007 at 6:07 pmThis country was founded on the freedom of speech and religion. Thanks to King George it’s no longer part of America. Now if your not an Evangelist you don’t believe in God. Now if Mitt gets in office do we then become Mormons. Let’s me know who’s in who’s out.
July 12th, 2007 at 6:08 pmThe can believe what they choose to believe in their own country.
Comment by CT_V1 — July 12, 2007 @ 6:07 pm
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Amen to that!!!
July 12th, 2007 at 6:08 pmWho was the female screeching in the background…. Hutchison or Dole????
July 12th, 2007 at 6:09 pm[13.24] Peace be on you because you were constant, how excellent, is then, the issue of the abode.
July 12th, 2007 at 6:09 pm[14.23] And those who believe and do good are made to enter gardens, beneath which rivers flow, to abide in them by their Lord’s permission; their greeting therein is, Peace.
July 12th, 2007 at 6:09 pmPiP, are you “THE KING!!!†as well, or are you being name-jacked?
Comment by CT_V1 — July 12, 2007 @ 6:06 pm
The “King” is a fraud.
I am the real Metaprogressive ™
July 12th, 2007 at 6:10 pmwillyloman,
I am going fishing in Mexico tomorrow, can I use some of your Holy’s noodly appendages to chum for marlin?
He won’t be offended and strike me down will he?
July 12th, 2007 at 6:10 pm[25.63] And the servants of the Beneficent God are they who walk on the earth in humbleness, and when the ignorant address them, they say: Peace.
July 12th, 2007 at 6:10 pm“However, Jesus was tolerant.” (Matt. 12: 1-8).
July 12th, 2007 at 6:11 pmI thank the lord for conservatives. They refused to allow Satan and his emps to take over the Senate floor. This incident enlightens my soul.
July 12th, 2007 at 6:11 pmDon’t you just love America?
http://www.sunstateactivist.org
July 12th, 2007 at 6:11 pmHe won’t be offended and strike me down will he?
Comment by nanlichi
Peace be upon you
July 12th, 2007 at 6:11 pmI thought we had seperation of church and state, why was a prayer allowed to be read on the senate floor?
July 12th, 2007 at 6:12 pmFaith-based hate.
July 12th, 2007 at 6:12 pm#63 The can believe what they choose to believe in their own country.
Comment by CT_V1
WTF does this mean? OH yea, you are just another example of paranoid, hate-mongering, homophobic bigots. You would have been a member of the KKK if you were older (Unless you are now.) Get an education, travel in the world a little, se what normal people believe, then maybe you can be saved from the Hell of the 26%ers.
July 12th, 2007 at 6:12 pmConservatives truly don’t show compassion when it comes to people of other faiths and religions. This anti-abortion group is an embarrassment to Christians everywhere. Abortion has nothing to do with Christianity. They are using their faith to promote a political ideology that has nothing to do with Christianity. Jesus Christ would not be proud of them. Jesus preached tolerance and compassion towards all kinds of people.
July 12th, 2007 at 6:12 pmWhen I first read this story, I thought a Senator was disrupting. In this day and age, the level of Christian extremism of some of our Senators is nearly at this level.
July 12th, 2007 at 6:12 pmWell, belief in extra-dimensional self-aware entities should be open to everyone and is nothing to be scoffed at.
What would have happened if Hannibal had burnt down Rome? We would be worshipping Baal or something because Jeebus could not have leveraged his ideas.
Anyway, more Shinto please, I like those kami.
July 12th, 2007 at 6:12 pmI demand equal time for Crom, the gloomy sullen god of Cimmeria.
July 12th, 2007 at 6:12 pmIf he isn’t allowed to smite the Repugnicant assh@s in congress with lightning bolts, all hell is gonna break loose!
Comment by Daryll
[6.74] And when Ibrahim said to his sire, Azar: Do you take idols for gods? Surely I see you and your people in manifest error.
July 12th, 2007 at 6:13 pmThe can believe what they choose to believe in their own country.
Comment by CT_V1 — July 12, 2007 @ 6:07 pm
That is not what this country is about.
There are Americans with many other religions other than christianity — this IS their country.
July 12th, 2007 at 6:13 pmStupid Christian Taliban don’t understand the meaning of freedom of religion. But then, they don’t like the Constitution either.
July 12th, 2007 at 6:13 pmI thank the lord for conservatives. They refused to allow Satan and his emps to take over the Senate floor. This incident enlightens my soul.
Comment by Daryll — July 12, 2007 @ 6:11 pm
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Mine too.
God Bless America
July 12th, 2007 at 6:14 pmComment by JesusChrist_GodOfWar
amen brother
July 12th, 2007 at 6:15 pmOh God, please save me from your followers! For they know not what they do.
July 12th, 2007 at 6:15 pmThose are REAL Christians, unlike ALL Libs.
July 12th, 2007 at 6:16 pm#53,
Retard, try to have your posts make sense.
July 12th, 2007 at 6:16 pmStupid Christian Taliban don’t understand the meaning of freedom of religion. But then, they don’t like the Constitution either.
Comment by JesusChrist_GodOfWar — July 12, 2007 @ 6:13 pm
Religion is man-made. Jesus said be holy, not practice hinduism.
July 12th, 2007 at 6:16 pmThis was disgusting behavior by un-American pseudo-christians.
Comment by Zooey — July 12, 2007 @ 6:00 pm
I’m glad to see I’m not the only one who can see that these people are in no way examples of mainstream christianity.
July 12th, 2007 at 6:16 pmI thank the lord for rabid hate mongering xians. They refused to allow reason and sanity to take over the Senate floor. This incident enlightens my soul.
OK, fixed it for you D=Delerium.
July 12th, 2007 at 6:16 pmSo I guess people don’t believe in protesting and feedom of speech? I doubt thinkprogress would be taking the side that doesn’t allow protesting if the person yelling in the background would have been protesting the Iraq war.
July 12th, 2007 at 6:16 pmI thank the lord for conservatives. They refused to allow Satan and his emps to take over the Senate floor. This incident enlightens my soul.
Comment by Daryll — July 12, 2007 @ 6:11 pm
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Mine too.
God Bless America
Comment by PiP — July 12, 2007 @ 6:14 pm
Glad to see another fellow Republican who maintains his/her moral ground.
July 12th, 2007 at 6:17 pmI thank the lord for conservatives. They refused to allow Satan and his emps to take over the Senate floor. This incident enlightens my soul.
Comment by Daryll — July 12, 2007 @ 6:11 pm
Hypocrite. You can no longer complain when we non-Christians bash your stupid religion either. And it is stupid.
You had to let a man painfully bleed to death to assuage all of humanity from the horrid sin of two naked people having eaten an apple at the urging of a talking snake.
STUPID!
July 12th, 2007 at 6:17 pmOh God, please save me from your followers! For they know not what they do.
Comment by JesusChrist_GodOfWar — July 12, 2007 @ 6:15 pm
Do you know what you are doing? Are you following biblical/moral principles?
July 12th, 2007 at 6:18 pmI thank the lord for conservatives. They refused to allow Satan and his emps to take over the Senate floor. This incident enlightens my soul.
Comment by Daryll
Daryll, too bad the conservative wack jobs are bigoted paranoid scumbags. And don’t forget to check under your bed tonight!!! You can get meds for your condition, too.
July 12th, 2007 at 6:19 pmDavid protesting a war, abortion, or president is one thing.
Protesting a persons right to freedom of faith is another.
July 12th, 2007 at 6:19 pmComment by Zooey — July 12, 2007 @ 6:13 pm
No, this is not their country. They have their own nations which facilitate to their kooky religious needs. Why would they want to bring their sideshow to this country? This is a majority-christian nation.
Please, read some more junk from your disproven sociology text…
July 12th, 2007 at 6:19 pmToo many trolls…too little brain.
July 12th, 2007 at 6:19 pmHypocrite. You can no longer complain when we non-Christians bash your stupid religion either. And it is stupid.
You had to let a man painfully bleed to death to assuage all of humanity from the horrid sin of two naked people having eaten an apple at the urging of a talking snake.
STUPID!
Comment by unbelievable
July 12th, 2007 at 6:20 pmEvangelicals make up just 7% of the adult population, but they think they can ram their religion down the throats of all Americans?
They’re fake Christians and they hate America. They distort the teachings of Jesus for political gains, and hate the principles on which America was founded.
July 12th, 2007 at 6:20 pmReligion is man-made. Jesus said be holy, not practice hinduism.
Comment by Daryll — July 12, 2007 @ 6:16 pm
The STUPID bible can’t even agree with itself on any of the myths about Jesus, and you want us to take it in blind faith that your god man is any different than their god man? Well wake up, Daryll – your Christ is simply a Middle Eastern version of their Krishna.
July 12th, 2007 at 6:20 pmI thank Crom for not destroying the Capitol building, even though this despicable display of stupidity mightily deserved your wrath.
July 12th, 2007 at 6:20 pmYour mercy on these xian dorks will be rewarded with a sacrifice of goats and rabid racoons.
Canada looks better and better every day….
July 12th, 2007 at 6:20 pm.
.
.
.
.
.
.”shaking head in disgust at the intolerance*
Those intolerant bastards. Don’t they know that Scientology is the only REAL religion?
July 12th, 2007 at 6:21 pmI thank the lord for conservatives. They refused to allow Satan and his emps to take over the Senate floor. This incident enlightens my soul.
Comment by Daryll — July 12, 2007 @ 6:11 pm
Hypocrite. You can no longer complain when we non-Christians bash your stupid religion either. And it is stupid.
You had to let a man painfully bleed to death to assuage all of humanity from the horrid sin of two naked people having eaten an apple at the urging of a talking snake.
STUPID!
Comment by unbelievable — July 12, 2007 @ 6:17 pm
SAVE HIM/HER, LORD!
July 12th, 2007 at 6:21 pmwelcome to jesusland.
July 12th, 2007 at 6:22 pmBrother Daryll and PiP, I think it’s the “special” communion wine that is tickling your soul.
It’s a travesty for someone who espouses such anti-American bullshit as you two do with your “Christian is the only way” scat to say God bless America.
America means not having to worship a God. Even worthless pagans like me, who think all religions are false, are more American than you Christian freaktoids who poison everything you touch with your intolerance.
Suck on my religion buddy.
July 12th, 2007 at 6:22 pm[2.206] And when it is said to him, guard against (the punish ment of) Allah; pride carries him off to sin, therefore hell is sufficient for him; and certainly it is an evil resting place.
July 12th, 2007 at 6:23 pmDavid protesting a war, abortion, or president is one thing.
Protesting a persons right to freedom of faith is another.
Comment by CD
Free speech is not just reserved for popular subjects. People have the right to protest anything.
July 12th, 2007 at 6:23 pmOo, oo! My god can beat up your god! - Thus spake pseudo-christianity.
Pseudo-christians fail to understand, realize, or acknowledge that the worlds religions are all pointing to the same god.
July 12th, 2007 at 6:24 pmJesus saves!
But Gretzky steals and scores!
July 12th, 2007 at 6:24 pmCT_V1
STFU!
Hindus who come to America come America to live they don’t try to convert anyone.
July 12th, 2007 at 6:24 pmI’m glad to see I’m not the only one who can see that these people are in no way examples of mainstream christianity.
Comment by CD — July 12, 2007 @ 6:16 pm
Essentially there is peaceful liberal Christianity that really should distance itself from the other branch that is violent conservative Christianity, by denouncing the hypocrites, calling yourselves something else, and getting rid of all the violence in the bible that fuels the rabid right in the first place (and it does fuel them). Then, stand with all of us who are secular and fight against them to take back our country. Until you do, they think they are the majority with the base word Christian, even though it means different things to the two branches, and they will continue to behave this way.
July 12th, 2007 at 6:25 pmI thank the lord for conservatives. They refused to allow Satan and his emps to take over the Senate floor. This incident enlightens my soul.
Comment by Daryll
Daryll, too bad the conservative wack jobs are bigoted paranoid scumbags. And don’t forget to check under your bed tonight!!! You can get meds for your condition, too.
Comment by upside00 — July 12, 2007 @ 6:19 pm
It is not a condition. It is called loyalism (to Christ Jesus).
July 12th, 2007 at 6:25 pmDaryll, I have read your posts and you worship mammon. Nothing else.
July 12th, 2007 at 6:25 pmNo, this is not their country. They have their own nations which facilitate to their kooky religious needs. Why would they want to bring their sideshow to this country? This is a majority-christian nation.
Comment by CT_V1 — July 12, 2007 @ 6:19 pm
Are you actually saying that you believe there are no Americans who practice a religion other than your own?
You claim to love this country and what it stands for, but you have no idea of what that is.
July 12th, 2007 at 6:25 pmComment by Zooey — July 12, 2007 @ 6:13 pm
No, this is not their country. They have their own nations which facilitate to their kooky religious needs. Why would they want to bring their sideshow to this country? This is a majority-christian nation.
Please, read some more junk from your disproven sociology text…
Comment by CT_V1 — July 12, 2007 @ 6:19 pm
AMEN, BROTHER!
July 12th, 2007 at 6:26 pmJesus saves! At Washington Mutual, where he gets free* checking!!
You should too!
*Min. dep. req.
July 12th, 2007 at 6:27 pmThis is America not India. We are blessed by God not Vishnu!!!
Comment by THE KING! — July 12, 2007
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_religion
July 12th, 2007 at 6:27 pm
Comment by Zooey
hello? Zooey? ahhhh….troll. huh.
July 12th, 2007 at 6:27 pmReligion is man-made. Jesus said be holy, not practice hinduism.
Comment by Daryll — July 12, 2007 @ 6:16 pm
The STUPID bible can’t even agree with itself on any of the myths about Jesus, and you want us to take it in blind faith that your god man is any different than their god man? Well wake up, Daryll – your Christ is simply a Middle Eastern version of their Krishna.
Comment by unbelievable — July 12, 2007 @ 6:20 pm
BLASPHEMY!!!!
July 12th, 2007 at 6:27 pmNo, this is not their country. They have their own nations which facilitate to their kooky religious needs. Why would they want to bring their sideshow to this country? This is a majority-christian nation.
Please, read some more junk from your disproven sociology text…
Comment by CT_V1 — July 12, 2007 @ 6:19 pm
Where was Jesus born? Go invade and take over that country, that is your country.
July 12th, 2007 at 6:27 pmAMEN, BROTHER!
Comment by Daryll
Another Un-American Pseudo-christian….
July 12th, 2007 at 6:28 pmYou had to let a man painfully bleed to death to assuage all of humanity from the horrid sin of two naked people having eaten an apple at the urging of a talking snake.
Well, the apple stuff originally comes from Mesopotamia (along with the flood etc.) and the bleeding man is “Part II” with the kinder, gentler God. These two things have nothing in common really, except that they are sold in a combo book.
July 12th, 2007 at 6:28 pmGlad to see another fellow Republican who maintains his/her moral ground.
Comment by Daryll — July 12, 2007 @ 6:17 pm
YOU aren’t moral. You are a hypocritical and judgmental lover of hate, violence and divisiveness. Shame on you!
If there is a hell Daryll, it would be preferable to an eternity with you selfish, smug bastards.
July 12th, 2007 at 6:28 pmWhat was I fighting for?
July 12th, 2007 at 6:28 pmwelcome to jesusland.
Comment by willyloman — July 12, 2007 @ 6:22 pm
You have got it right, willyloman. The earth belongs to him.
July 12th, 2007 at 6:28 pmZooey,
Isn’t it fun to read CT andDaryll’s drivel? They believe people can believe whatever they want…. as long as it is what they believe. I said earlier here that some education, world travel and meds could help them. Now I am not so sure!
July 12th, 2007 at 6:28 pmhello? Zooey? ahhhh….troll. huh.
Comment by willyloman — July 12, 2007 @ 6:27 pm
Stupid f*cking trolls? Or most stupid f*cking trolls ever?
July 12th, 2007 at 6:29 pmDo you know what you are doing? Are you following biblical/moral principles?
Comment by Daryll
Hey, Daryll! How’s that shellfish thing going? You’re not just picking and choosing which Biblical laws to obey, are you? Remember, God doesn’t like it.
Fundies have had government by the short and curlies for awhile now, but you better get used to the new world order: no more bossing everyone around claiming to be the “real” religion of the United States.
July 12th, 2007 at 6:29 pmWhere did Cain’s wife come from? Where?
Adam, Eve, Cain, Able….where did the wife come from?
Jesus came from a Monkey just like you Daryll.
July 12th, 2007 at 6:29 pm“What was I fighting for?
Comment by DanCaveman — July 12, 2007 @ 6:28 pm”
So people could hate you if you don’t believe what they do, and call for you to leave the country you support and lived in all your life!!!!!
July 12th, 2007 at 6:30 pmBrother Daryll and PiP, I think it’s the “special†communion wine that is tickling your soul.
It’s a travesty for someone who espouses such anti-American bullshit as you two do with your “Christian is the only way†scat to say God bless America.
America means not having to worship a God. Even worthless pagans like me, who think all religions are false, are more American than you Christian freaktoids who poison everything you touch with your intolerance.
Suck on my religion buddy.
Comment by nanlichi — July 12, 2007 @ 6:22 pm
Hell is real!
July 12th, 2007 at 6:30 pmAt this point, I truly wish that zombies were real.
July 12th, 2007 at 6:30 pmI could perform some voodoo and have the founding fathers return to school Daryll, CT and the other clowntrolls as to the meaning of the Constitution, freedom of and from religion.
Not that either of those nitwits would listen to the re-embodied Jefferson, Madison or Hancock…
No, this is not their country. WE have OUR own nation which facilitate to OUR kooky religious needs. Why would they want to SEE the sideshow that is a majority-christian nation.
Comment by CT_V1 the idiot
You superstitious neanderthals that believe that some invisible magical being some how listens to your prayers and watches over you is just so laughable, you have not evolved to the next level, go rub rocks together in your caves.
July 12th, 2007 at 6:30 pmComment by Zooey — July 12, 2007 @ 6:25 pm
Your dream of a 5495949 religion utopia in this country doesn’t work, only breeds tension. Christianity is the order of the day in America. Hinduism isn’t compatible here.
July 12th, 2007 at 6:30 pmI don’t agree with anyone here… They shouldn’t be holding prayer in the senate ever. Hindu, Christian, Buddhist, Janist… whatever.
In order to have a prayer Congress would have had to pass a resolution setting up time for the prayer. That or a majority member would make the decision. Either way this is clearly an establishment of religion in violation of the first amendment. And if they’re doing it everyday with a Christian pray… that’s just disgraceful.
The Senate is not the building for prayer… that building is called a church/temple/moseque/etc.
Shameful government trashing The Constitution every day
July 12th, 2007 at 6:30 pmWhat was I fighting for?
Comment by DanCaveman — July 12, 2007 @ 6:28 pm
Exactly.
July 12th, 2007 at 6:30 pmStupid f*cking trolls? Or most stupid f*cking trolls ever?
Comment by Zooey
GOD of the STUPID F#CKIN TROLLS
July 12th, 2007 at 6:31 pmUgh…please keep all of this hocus-pocus crap out of all governmental offices. Freedom FROM religion. None of it has a rightful place in ANY governmental function.
July 12th, 2007 at 6:31 pm“Where did Cain’s wife come from? Where?
Adam, Eve, Cain, Able….where did the wife come from?
Jesus came from a Monkey just like you Daryll.
Comment by willyloman — July 12, 2007 @ 6:29 pm”
I have asked this similar question many times only to get a NON-ANSWER!
I added to it though……
I ask where the city came from that Cain and Able went to in order to take wives…… Amazing that NO ONE has been able to answer that yet!
July 12th, 2007 at 6:32 pmSAVE HIM/HER, LORD!
Comment by Daryll — July 12, 2007 @ 6:21 pm
I saved myself, from your STUPID religion that nailed a man to a cross to forgive a perfectly human need – hunger.
You are what is wrong with this country. YOU. You whine that you are oppressed because smart people reject your STUPID religion, and then turn around and attack other people’s religions.
Christ IS Krishna, who came first, by the way. So, respect your Hindu elders… Hypocrite.
July 12th, 2007 at 6:32 pmIsn’t it fun to read CT andDaryll’s drivel? They believe people can believe whatever they want…. as long as it is what they believe. I said earlier here that some education, world travel and meds could help them. Now I am not so sure!
Comment by upside00 — July 12, 2007 @ 6:28 pm
They are unteachable and incurable.
July 12th, 2007 at 6:32 pmWhere did Cain’s wife come from? Where?
Adam, Eve, Cain, Able….where did the wife come from?
Jesus came from a Monkey just like you Daryll.
July 12th, 2007 at 6:32 pmYour dream of a 5495949 religion utopia in this country doesn’t work, only breeds tension. Christianity is the order of the day in America. Hinduism isn’t compatible here.
Comment by CT_V1 — July 12, 2007 @ 6:30 pm
Your right, Timothy McVeigh was born here. And a nutty christian just like you.
July 12th, 2007 at 6:32 pmIndia hosts the largest religious gathering held on earth every single year. It’s called the Khumba Mela. Some years over 80 million people show up for the event. Many true holy men and women from all over South Asia are in attendance too.
Now that’s what I call a serious religion!
And pseudo-christians want to dis’ Hindus? Geez. Maybe they should educate themselves before frothing at the mouth like they did in the Senate today. They make all psuedo-christians look really really ignorant and stupid.
July 12th, 2007 at 6:33 pmThey shouldn’t be holding prayer in the senate ever.
Hear hear.
July 12th, 2007 at 6:33 pmThe Oxford dictionary just added Islamofascism. Time to add Christofascism.
To those of you who call Rajan Zed a “foreigner,” you may be interested in knowing he is a United States citizen.
July 12th, 2007 at 6:33 pmMONKEYJESUS SHALL BE MY NEW NAME
July 12th, 2007 at 6:34 pmYour dream of a 5495949 religion utopia in this country doesn’t work, only breeds tension. Christianity is the order of the day in America. Hinduism isn’t compatible here.
Comment by CT_V1 — July 12, 2007 @ 6:30 pm
Crack a f*cking history book and learn why this country has freedom of religion, and freedom from religion.
I thought you were naive, but you are actually a bigot.
July 12th, 2007 at 6:34 pm(singing) “and they’ll know we are Christians by our love, by our love…”
July 12th, 2007 at 6:35 pmFundies just don’t get it. They don’t get to claim the US is a “Christian nation”, even if they hold their breath until they turn blue. It’s just about as simple as it could possibly be.
Hindus, Jews, Buddhists, Muslims, even Protestants get to practice their religion in this country. Our trolls are so stupid they can’t grasp this simple fact.
July 12th, 2007 at 6:35 pmDaryll is nailing himself to his emergency cross
July 12th, 2007 at 6:35 pmComment by unbelievable
I saved myself, from your STUPID religion that nailed a man to a cross to forgive a perfectly human need – hunger.
It’s not about hunger – it’s about waking up into consciousness. That means: “The Pain” and “Outta Paradise”.
Comment by RUCerious
At this point, I truly wish that zombies were real. I could perform some voodoo and have the founding fathers return to school
That would admittedly rock like a huge boulder. But afterwards one would have to shoot them with shotguns.
July 12th, 2007 at 6:35 pmHinduism isn’t compatible here.
Comment by CT_V1
you wouldn’t know Hnduism if it bit you in your bigoted hypocrytical ass!
And it is very similar to what TRUE Christians believe, so that would leave you out from understanding it.
July 12th, 2007 at 6:35 pm#
The Oxford dictionary just added Islamofascism. Time to add Christofascism.
To those of you who call Rajan Zed a “foreigner,†you may be interested in knowing he is a United States citizen.
Comment by Candyce — July 12, 2007 @ 6:33 pm
Their name was invented many years ago, and is already there. It’s called Nazism, Hitler used religious hatred against the Jews. If CT, DUHryll, PIP and so on had their way we would be cooking people in ovens today.
July 12th, 2007 at 6:36 pmDaryll shopped around for a long, long time to find a religion that allows rape, and by garsh he’s gonna defend it!
July 12th, 2007 at 6:36 pmBLASPHEMY!!!!
Comment by Daryll — July 12, 2007 @ 6:27 pm
LOL… No it’s called critical thinking skills. Your posts are just BULLSH!T, based on a lot of make-believe nonsense of some invisible sky wizard who ignores you.
Idiot.
July 12th, 2007 at 6:36 pmEssentially there is peaceful liberal Christianity that really should distance itself from the other branch that is violent conservative Christianity, by denouncing the hypocrites, calling yourselves something else, and getting rid of all the violence in the bible that fuels the rabid right in the first place (and it does fuel them). Then, stand with all of us who are secular and fight against them to take back our country. Until you do, they think they are the majority with the base word Christian, even though it means different things to the two branches, and they will continue to behave this way.
Comment by unbelievable — July 12, 2007 @ 6:25 pm
errrrr we’re not going to censor parts of the bible just because they’re violent.
and no we’re not going to call outself somthing other than Christian because of some jerks.
We’re more than willing to make it clear we think they’re full of shit though.
After all Americans United for Separation of Church and State is lead by Rev. Barry W. Lynn.
July 12th, 2007 at 6:36 pmComment by Buck Fush — July 12, 2007 @ 6:30 pm
Your dislike of America has no place. Really, who gives two sh*ts about your negative opinions on this great country.
You will respect this country for what it is; otherwise, you can immigrate to the dreamland you consider to be Canada.
Thank you, Butt Slush.
July 12th, 2007 at 6:37 pmI thought you were naive, but you are actually a bigot.
Comment by Zooey
“Naive”? You are such a generous spirit, Zooey. The troll has been demonstrating its nasty intolerance pretty consistently.
July 12th, 2007 at 6:37 pmThe USA will be renamed to [choose one, make up your own]:
- Jesusland
- DumbF*ckistan
- Disunited States of Jesus’ Stupidest Followers
July 12th, 2007 at 6:38 pmBless the hindu priest. He was startled but after order was restored he continued with his prayer.
All roads lead to God.
http://www.meenapranam.org/new-h…-home/ index.htm
Namaste!
July 12th, 2007 at 6:38 pmYour hateful/despicable comments remind of the day that you liberals assisted in removing prayer out of schools. If Jesus was still allowed in schools, would the Columbine/VT massacre have happened? Highly doubtful. I guess we will never know. Thanks alot libs and the ACLU.
July 12th, 2007 at 6:38 pmuh oh. Daryll is calling MonkeyJesus to smite us. while Mr. President calls the FBI
July 12th, 2007 at 6:38 pmbetter link:
http://www.meenapranam.org/new-home/index.htm
July 12th, 2007 at 6:39 pmAre you that insecure in your own religion that you won’t allow others from a different faith to speak? Is the ground upon which you stand so flaky that you can do naught but stick your fingers in your ears and shout “LA LA LA JESUS LA LA LA”?
Tiny-minded, sanctimonious tools; you are about as far from Christ as a mortal can get.
July 12th, 2007 at 6:39 pmG Whiz
SECOND!
July 12th, 2007 at 6:39 pmHell is real!
Comment by Daryll — July 12, 2007 @ 6:30 pm
Sure, and so is Santa Claus, Easter Bunny and Tooth Fairy. Just ask my 6 year old niece… Millions of people believing a foolish thing doesn’t stop it from being a foolish thing. That makes you a FOOL.
July 12th, 2007 at 6:39 pmDaryll, you are really a MONKEY! a monkey with a keyboard! just like all of us. Welcome to the family of man.
July 12th, 2007 at 6:40 pmould the Columbine/VT massacre have happened? Highly doubtful. I guess we will never know. Thanks alot libs and the ACLU.
Comment by Daryll — July 12, 2007 @ 6:38 pm
Yah I think it would have, seeings how all 3 killers were Christians, without a conscience, like you.
July 12th, 2007 at 6:40 pmJesus doesn’t need you hateful screechers corrupting his message. How many eons will you hate-filled Fundies have to spend in Purgatory to repent for your sin of false pride?
July 12th, 2007 at 6:40 pmI am a Christian and really love that I have friends who are Muslim, Buddist , Hindu etc and we all get along fine…
Jesus was JEWISH and in Judaism people respect other beliefs, why do people forget that?
But for arguments sake if someone is evangelical and belives that Christianity is the only way to redemption, how would jumping down the throats of other people that arent saved help save them in any way? It is very un-Christian!
Nothing irritates me more than people that are so close-minded and whenever I meet someone who is close-minded wether they are close minded on religion, sexual orientation or a woman’s right to choose I say this to them : If you were in a burning building, you would want to be rescued by fire fighters, and you wouldn’t care how they think, who they love, or what they believe, you just would want your ass rescued and you should think about that next time you have one of your monotone hissyfits..
Ok I leave out the words ass and hissyfits but you get the idea, I hope other people read this and say the same thing next time they come across someone who is so hateful.
July 12th, 2007 at 6:41 pmThanks alot libs and the ACLU.
Comment by Daryll
You’re welcome, Daryll. Glad to help.
You might want to research the history of the Protestant church and the separation of church and state in this country. Turns out that the most fundamentalist of Christians pushed the most heavily for the “wall” because they realized that it protected them from repression. It’s just too bad you can’t figure out such a simple fact.
July 12th, 2007 at 6:41 pm“Naive� You are such a generous spirit, Zooey. The troll has been demonstrating its nasty intolerance pretty consistently.
Comment by gummitch
Well, I try to give the benefit of the doubt, and I’ve been ignoring his comments for several days, so I guess I haven’t noticed the utter deterioration. :)
July 12th, 2007 at 6:41 pmComment by david — July 12, 2007 @ 6:23 pm
So Fred Phelps and his klan aren’t doing anything wrong?
July 12th, 2007 at 6:42 pmIf Jesus was still allowed in schools, would the Columbine/VT massacre have happened?
Daryll, this is the sort of hypothetical nonsense that just doesn’t help. How can you tell what would have happened? And what do you know about how often the shooters prayer, etc. You don’t know anything about it. Making up facts and trying to rewrite history is unbecoming.
Just try being a good tolerant person. Enjoy your religion and be happy about how right you are. That’s all anyone wants. Just leave everyone alone. If we all burn then its our own damn fault. But as far as you know… you’re sitting pretty.
July 12th, 2007 at 6:42 pmI don’t agree with anyone here… They shouldn’t be holding prayer in the senate ever. Hindu, Christian, Buddhist, Janist… whatever.
Comment by VTLS — July 12, 2007 @ 6:30 pm
You agree with me… I think prayer in any government function or public building is a violation of the First Amendment. Like there is a shortage of places they can go to pray together instead, and they HAVE to do it there?
July 12th, 2007 at 6:42 pmuh oh. Daryll is calling MonkeyJesus to smite us. while Mr. President calls the FBI
Comment by MONKEYJESUS — July 12, 2007 @ 6:38 pm
Oh boy, we’re in trouble now!
July 12th, 2007 at 6:43 pmHell is real!
Comment by Daryll — July 12, 2007 @ 6:30 pm
Got proof? Like pics of you and your hateful conservative family there on vacation, you really should check it out and prepare yourself if you believe it, cuz from my knowledge of Jesus’ teachings, you’ll be down there.
July 12th, 2007 at 6:43 pmah, that was some fun religious persecution. Just like they enjoy in the US Senate. Ah, proud to be American.
July 12th, 2007 at 6:43 pmDaryll: If Jesus was still allowed in schools, would the Columbine/VT massacre have happened? Highly doubtful.
“Peace and love, brothers!”
“Yeah Jesus. Take that!”
(Sound of a lousy TEC-9, helpfully provided by the NRA, going off at full auto)
http://www.angryflower.com/jesusc.gif
July 12th, 2007 at 6:43 pmHey Daryll,
Read your holy book. Jesus said to pray in private. That means not in school.
Besides, prayer doesn’t affect anyone or anything but the person doing the praying.
July 12th, 2007 at 6:44 pmOh boy, we’re in trouble now!
Comment by Zooey
Which do you think will get to us first?
July 12th, 2007 at 6:44 pmComment by gummitch — July 12, 2007 @ 6:37 pm
Your intolerance shows by wanting to modify everything in this country into a third-world slum – while you live in it. I suppose you don’t belong in this country, you don’t deserve citizenship here.
Your party’s agenda is wrong in many ways. I won’t hesitate to point that out. Cry wolf with the “bigot” speak. You lefties have already turned it into the lamest, most overused word in the dictionary.
July 12th, 2007 at 6:45 pmThe Oxford dictionary just added Islamofascism.
Comment by Candyce — July 12, 2007 @ 6:33 pm
—————————————————————————–
YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
YEEEEEEEE – HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
July 12th, 2007 at 6:45 pmDaryll is nailing himself to his emergency cross
Comment by MONKEYJESUS — July 12, 2007 @ 6:35 pm
LOL!
“I am treated as evil by those who feel persecuted because they are not allowed to force me to believe as they do.”
July 12th, 2007 at 6:45 pmHey Daryll, what about McVeigh, Ted Haggard, Jim Bakker, DeLay and Hitler?
Yhey were all members of your ’special’ religion.
July 12th, 2007 at 6:45 pmYou agree with me… I think prayer in any government function or public building is a violation of the First Amendment. Like there is a shortage of places they can go to pray together instead, and they HAVE to do it there?
Comment by unbelievable
And me. I don’t see any reason to ever have a religious invocation in a government building. BUT, if we’re going to tolerate them, and apparently we are, we need to tolerate all of them.
I’m looking forward to hearing about the first Wiccan ceremony in the Senate, I promise you that.
July 12th, 2007 at 6:45 pmI don’t agree with anyone here… They shouldn’t be holding prayer in the senate ever. Hindu, Christian, Buddhist, Janist… whatever.
Comment by VTLS — July 12, 2007 @ 6:30 pm
You agree with me… I think prayer in any government function or public building is a violation of the First Amendment. Like there is a shortage of places they can go to pray together instead, and they HAVE to do it there?
Comment by unbelievable — July 12, 2007 @ 6:42 pm
Exactly. Sorry, I do agree with you.
July 12th, 2007 at 6:46 pmChristianity is the order of the day in America.
Comment by CT_V1 — July 12, 2007 @ 6:30 pm
“Order of the day”, WTF???????????????
Way to make up phrases to justify your core self-righteous bigotry, you hack.
No, the Hindu’s etc. don’t need to go back to their country to practice their religion because your sorry self said so. YOU need to go find a little plot of land, like Afghanistan, that lends itself to philosphies exactly counter to those this great nation was founded on, you silly trick. FREEDOM OF RELIGION, it’s the founding principle of the Constitution. You don’t like, move out of this country to one that is not founded on FREEDOM of RELIGION. Silly silly little girl. Go link up with your Fundamentalist Taliban brothers, and knock yourselves out.
July 12th, 2007 at 6:46 pmDaryll can’t talk now. he’s beating himself with a whip for our sins.
July 12th, 2007 at 6:46 pmOk I leave out the words ass and hissyfits but you get the idea, I hope other people read this and say the same thing next time they come across someone who is so hateful.
Comment by Jack — July 12, 2007 @ 6:41 pm
Thank you, Jack. Well said.
July 12th, 2007 at 6:46 pmIt’s not about hunger – it’s about waking up into consciousness. That means: “The Pain†and “Outta Paradiseâ€.
Comment by Troll Hater — July 12, 2007 @ 6:35 pm
Yes it is. Hunger for knowledge… It’s the most basic of human needs.
July 12th, 2007 at 6:47 pmIf the American Taliban gets it’s way their will be a fatwah issued making all religions other than evangelical Christianity illegal and punishable by death.
July 12th, 2007 at 6:47 pmDo any of the right-wing bigots and “Christians” that comment here understand the difference between Islam and Hinduism? From reading the comments, I don’t think so, although they see to believe that all of the “Eastern” religions are interchangeable (I remember Larry King asking the Dalai Lama about how he felt being Muslim – unfortunately, the Dalai Lama is a Buddhist). It’s really quite annoying that people don’t take the time to learn the differences between the religions before spouting inaccuracies and falsehoods.
I don’t understand why everything to you “Christians” is so black and white – Hinduism is the religion of Mahatma Gandhi and teaches peace, love and light. And, to dispel what is a gross misconception about the faith, Hindus believe in one God, just as Christians (and most other world religions) do, with the various gods and goddesses being manifestations of the one God, who is “one as well as many” (meaning, in everything and of everything on earth). Doesn’t this ring a bell with any of you out there who pray to Mary, Jesus, the Holy Spirit and saints? The early Christians, up until Constantine, were adept at taking what they wanted from other religions (including Paganism) and co-opting the ideas for their own use. By the way, Hinduism (as well as Buddhism, another religion, like Christianity, of peace and love) predates Christianity by some 300 years.
Before you rush to judgment, please take time to learn about what you are talking about before letting everyone know how ignorant you are. I think it’s absolutely atrocious what Christianity has become in this country – these supposed followers of Christ will have an awful lot of karma to work out in the next several lifetimes, won’t they?
Here’s a good website to learn about Hinduism:
http://www.hinduwebsite.com/hinduism/h_polytheism.asp
Peace and love to all
July 12th, 2007 at 6:48 pmCarolSoprano
CT_V1 who said anything about not loving my country, I just hate people as stupid as you are, idiot, bigot.
July 12th, 2007 at 6:48 pmGo link up with your Fundamentalist Taliban brothers, and knock yourselves out.
Comment by JoeySoCal — July 12, 2007 @ 6:46 pm
CAN I GET AN AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!
July 12th, 2007 at 6:48 pmWhich do you think will get to us first?
Comment by willyloman — July 12, 2007 @ 6:44 pm
I’ll put my money on the FBI against a dead man every time. :D
July 12th, 2007 at 6:49 pmI thank God for evangelical higher learning institutions like my alma mater, Oral Roberts. At least we began with a prayer before the class session. I wonder why OR, Regents or Liberty hasn’t been attacked? Of course it because God’s blood is protecting those universities.
July 12th, 2007 at 6:50 pmYour intolerance shows by wanting to modify everything in this country into a third-world slum – while you live in it. I suppose you don’t belong in this country, you don’t deserve citizenship here.
Your party’s agenda is wrong in many ways. I won’t hesitate to point that out. Cry wolf with the “bigot†speak. You lefties have already turned it into the lamest, most overused word in the dictionary.
Comment by CT_V1
Main Entry: big·ot
Pronunciation: ‘bi-g&t
Function: noun
Etymology: French, hypocrite, bigot
: a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance
That’s the dictionary definition, troll. No one has redefined it, but it fits you like a glove.
You sound exactly like the mullahs.
Seek professional help for the hatred that consumes you, or it will literally consume you.
July 12th, 2007 at 6:50 pm#195 Daryll can’t talk now. he’s beating himself with a whip for our sins.
Comment by willyloman
Ore maybe just beating off! All this christo-fascist, homophobic stuff has given him a KING-sized woody!
July 12th, 2007 at 6:51 pmComment by Buck Fush — July 12, 2007 @ 6:48 pm
Nope, you want America to drown. I rest my case.
July 12th, 2007 at 6:51 pmerrrrr we’re not going to censor parts of the bible just because they’re violent.
and no we’re not going to call outself somthing other than Christian because of some jerks.
Then don’t complain when you get caught on their side in this battle. If you’re going to align yorselves with them and their, then it makes you an accomplice.
We’re more than willing to make it clear we think they’re full of shit though.
No way. That’s simply NOT true. In fact, they have achieved their goals because you do not call them out at all, except when it saves your own rear end from the heat they are getting… Pity.
After all Americans United for Separation of Church and State is lead by Rev. Barry W. Lynn.
Comment by CD — July 12, 2007 @ 6:36 pm
Obviously he paid attention to what’s happened in Norawy and doesn’t want to follow suit…
But one voice isn’t enough. Ten voices isn’t either…
July 12th, 2007 at 6:51 pmI wonder why OR, Regents or Liberty hasn’t been attacked? Of course it because God’s blood is protecting those universities.
Comment by Daryll — July 12, 2007 @ 6:50 pm
Or maybe it’s the cavity checks before you’re allowed on campus, we know how those religious leaders of your love probing.
July 12th, 2007 at 6:51 pmIf Jesus was still allowed in schools, would the Columbine/VT massacre have happened?
Is his immunization record up to date?
July 12th, 2007 at 6:51 pmI thank God for evangelical higher learning institutions like my alma mater, Oral Roberts. At least we began with a prayer before the class session. I wonder why OR, Regents or Liberty hasn’t been attacked? Of course it because God’s blood is protecting those universities.
Comment by Daryll
I went to a liberal arts college absolutely riddled with dirty hippie commie liberals. It’s never been attacked, either, you irrelevant twit.
July 12th, 2007 at 6:52 pmI wonder why OR, Regents or Liberty hasn’t been attacked? Of course it because God’s blood is protecting those universities.
Comment by Daryll — July 12, 2007 @ 6:50 pm
I’ll make a prediction for you, Daryll.
If any of those “learning” institutions are ever attacked, it will be by one of their own — a student, teacher, or alumni.
July 12th, 2007 at 6:53 pmComment by gummitch — July 12, 2007 @ 6:50 pm
Sorry, dumb*tch, you’re crying wolf.
July 12th, 2007 at 6:53 pmI wonder why OR, Regents or Liberty hasn’t been attacked? Of course it because God’s blood is protecting those universities.
Comment by Daryll — July 12, 2007 @ 6:50 pm
Probably because America’s terrorists like Eric Rudolph and Timothy McVeigh share your twisted religious views.
July 12th, 2007 at 6:53 pmIs his immunization record up to date?
Comment by RUCerious — July 12, 2007 @ 6:51 pm
Haha jesus would be an immigrant too, and tossed out on his ass.
July 12th, 2007 at 6:54 pmComment by Zooey — July 12, 2007 @ 6:53 pm
VT wasn’t a religious school.
July 12th, 2007 at 6:54 pmFunny how so many mass murderers heard the voice of Jebus in their head, Son of Sam for example. Why Jebus? And why would the Great Bearded Wonder with the holes in his feet want to kill all those people?
It’s stupid nonsense. And it is intellectualy lazy. Why is the sky blue Mommy? Because Jebus likes it that way, stop asking questions.
The one thing the Good Book is good for though is starting kindling on a cold morning. Sometimes I let the kids burn the pages to see the pretty colors. But that joy is shortlived when you think of the kids that are dying right now because our current Son of George is hearing Jebus whispers in his head.
July 12th, 2007 at 6:55 pmI wonder if Daryll was first attracted to his Alma Mater, Oral Roberts, due to its name?
Just curious!
July 12th, 2007 at 6:55 pmSorry, dumb*tch, you’re crying wolf.
Comment by CT_V1
Do you even know what that expression means? WTF are you on about? For that matter, WTF are you on?
Huffer.
July 12th, 2007 at 6:55 pmNope, you want America to drown. I rest my case.
Comment by CT_V1 — July 12, 2007 @ 6:51 pm
Drown in what? Hatred? Bigotry? That’s the christian right’s specialty.
How did this country manage to survive for 200 years before the fundamental Falwells and Robertsons came along?
July 12th, 2007 at 6:56 pmWhen the heck is one of these trolls going to say something intelligent?
July 12th, 2007 at 6:57 pmSome anti-war progreesive murdered a US soldier in cold blood july 4th. Did not even know him killed him because he was with the military.
(http://www.gopusa.com/commentary/mmalkin/2007/mm_07111.shtml)
He did not represent you freaks here any more than these protesters represent Christians. So get off your high horses.
That said. I still think they were wrong this is and should be a non-sectarian nation. If religious folks, Christian or otherwise, are influenced by their religion to vote for a particular candidate that is their right.
The Buddist have a right to lead our congress in an eccumenical prayer just as any Christian minister does.
What they did was shameful.
I question the use of prayer at all in this assembly but I understand it is “tradition”.
Finally, I think the Pope would be disappointed and embarrassed as well. The Catholic Church is very eccumenically minded when it comes to these types of things.
July 12th, 2007 at 6:58 pmWhen the heck is one of these trolls going to say something intelligent?
Comment by Arthur C.
When heck freezes over.
July 12th, 2007 at 6:58 pmI thank God for evangelical higher learning institutions like my alma mater, Oral Roberts. At least we began with a prayer before the class session. I wonder why OR, Regents or Liberty hasn’t been attacked? Of course it because God’s blood is protecting those universities.
You make one good point and one confusing point.
First, it’s great that you have a school for people who are all part of your religion. That’s the wonderful thing about American democracy. You can builf your own religious school. Public schools are governed by the Constitution of the United States which forbids establishments of religion.
Second, the reason behind a lack on an attack on those schools. Probably has something to do with the rareness and randomness of school shootings and terrorist attacks (I’m not sure which you meant). Being a christian never stopped the KKK from committing terrorist attacks on Black homes and churches. Certainly some of the victims of Columbine, Viriginia Tech, Texas A&M and dozens of other school must have been good Christians. Life is tough and sometime people die even when they’ve been a good, pious person.
All I’m saying is that there are bigger issues and you seem dead set on simplifying everything.
This is only meant in the spirit of discussion… try not to flame me for it.
July 12th, 2007 at 6:58 pm#113 — You might want to recheck the definition of “free speech.” It is not open license to say whatever you want. It was determined early on that shouting “fire” in a crowded theater is not free speech; this is fomenting riot. Also new interpretations regarding what constitutes hate speech restrict such commentary from falling under the category of “free speech.”
I would bet what this group of Christofascists did borders on hate speech — at the very least, intolerant speech. Also, I think anyone trying to disrupt a Senate-approved function in the US Senate would be removed. After all, weren’t a bunch of Code Pink protesters recently removed from congressional hearings for wearing their Code Pink hats?
July 12th, 2007 at 6:58 pmThe Christian Right is neither.
July 12th, 2007 at 6:59 pmMonkyJesus isn’t allowed in schools because of that “lay on of the hands” charge he had last year with that little boy.
He can’t fly within 500ft of a school zone (kids can see up his robe)
July 12th, 2007 at 6:59 pmThe name of the protesters leads me to believe that they may be immigrants from Eastern Europe. In Oregon they are fueling an attempt to recall gay rights legislation. Their logic is screwy – we came here for freedom of religion, therefore we get to practice our religion any way we choose and we choose to be as intolerant as the governments we left behind, and we want everyone else to be forced to be as intolerant as we are.
July 12th, 2007 at 7:00 pmI wonder what Christians are so afraid of? Really, what’s the harm of having a Hindu prayer – or the prayer of any person of faith? Aren’t we all really praying for the same thing – peace, love, greater understanding, greater tolerance, and end to suffering? Does it matter to what deity we’re directing the prayer? I just don’t understand the objection and the believe that your God is the only true God – how do you know that?
And, I have to correct my earlier statement about Hinduism’s age – the first scriptures date back to about 6500 BC, so it’s as old (if not older) than the Hebrew faith (I think Buddhism was formed around 300 BC).
Peace and love (and tolerance, please, for the sake of this fragile planet)
CarolSoprano
July 12th, 2007 at 7:00 pm“Some anti-war progreesive murdered a US soldier in cold blood july 4th. Did not even know him killed him because he was with the military.”\
/Progreesive?
/\him killed him?
/\/\ WTF?
Correspondence courses in writing are cheap. Invest in yourself.
July 12th, 2007 at 7:00 pmI thank God for evangelical higher learning institutions like my alma mater, Oral Roberts.
I guess they specialize in matriculating spit-flecked snot-brained haters.
July 12th, 2007 at 7:01 pmIf Jesus was still allowed in schools, would the Columbine/VT massacre have happened?
Comment by Daryll — July 12, 2007 @ 6:38 pm
Yes. 15% of Americans are non-believers, while only 0.2% of non-believers are in prison.
http://www.netscape.com/viewstory/2006/09/03/christianity-makes-you-poor-stupid-and-immoral/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.thekn0wledge.com%2Fjoomla%2Findex.php%3Foption%3Dcom_content%26task%3Dview%26id%3D49%26Itemid%3D32&frame=true
But, I’ll tell you what Daryll, you dig up Jesus and you can bring him into my classroom.
July 12th, 2007 at 7:02 pmDidn’t Jesus marry a hooker?
July 12th, 2007 at 7:02 pmCT_V1, nope, but I would like you and everyone like you to drown in your own bile. You are scum, but then again you are not smart enought to figure that out, uh?
CT_V1 bigot, or just stupid or both, you be the judge.
July 12th, 2007 at 7:03 pmOOOooo!!! OOOoo!!!! OOOOooo!!!!! AAAAhH!!! AAAAhhhHHH!!!!!!!
MUSLIMS AAAr GOOOOood!!!!! AAAhh AAhHh!!!!
JEeESsUs BAaaahD!!!!! JOOOOoOOS BAAhD!!!!!!!!
AAAAAhhHh!!!!!!!! AAAHHhHhHH!!!!!!!!!!!! AAAHHhhhHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
July 12th, 2007 at 7:03 pmAnd, after all, doesn’t it really come down to just this?
Jesus was a Jew. I doubt he referred to himself as a Christ-ian.
So opening with a reading from the Torah would be OK, right?
July 12th, 2007 at 7:03 pmI checked out Daryll’s major CIS requirements. There were like four or five CS courses, a couple of electives and the rest was religious bullshit.
July 12th, 2007 at 7:03 pmWhat a degree. Fit to use in the loo.
Hey Daryll and CT,
What are your thoughts on Romney being a Mormon or on Rudee being a flip-flp catholic? Or on Fred Flintstone Thompson being a bad TV actor?
How will you choose from that mix?
Maybe vote for Bloomberg…….. a JEW!!!!
This ought to be fun!
July 12th, 2007 at 7:04 pmLooks like SuRReNdEr mONkEy is typing in tongues.
July 12th, 2007 at 7:04 pmDidn’t Jesus touch Paul? I mean like…touch him? ;]
July 12th, 2007 at 7:04 pmYou just proved my point – the person leading the prayer this morning was NOT Buddhist; he was a Hindu. They are 2 entirely separate religions (actually, Buddhism is not a religion in the strict sense of the word, but we won’t split hairs here). Please understand the difference, because you will develop greater tolerance for all people if you take the time to learn.
Peace
July 12th, 2007 at 7:04 pmUnreal. These people are a danger to our country.
July 12th, 2007 at 7:05 pmOnce again Mr Pee/SM/King is reduced to a howling, shit throwing simian.
July 12th, 2007 at 7:05 pmDaryll is seeking guidance right now. let us take a moment to reflect on all the rightous and Christian things he has said over the last month or so.
July 12th, 2007 at 7:07 pmEvangelicals make up 7% of the population
Non-theists make up 14% of the population.
By what authority do these holy rollers have permission to ram religion down other people’s throats?
July 12th, 2007 at 7:07 pmBesides, prayer doesn’t affect anyone or anything but the person doing the praying.
Comment by Newt Gringo — July 12, 2007 @ 6:44 pm
Actually, studies have shown that prayer is a means for divisiveness and ridicule to those who do not participate (I saw this happen at my own school where they violated the law and said a prayer at a manditory school function, where one of my students who chose not to bow his head and participate was harrassed).
Studies by people of faith have also shown that prayer does not work at all.
July 12th, 2007 at 7:07 pmI wonder why OR, Regents or Liberty hasn’t been attacked? Of course it because God’s blood is protecting those universities.
Comment by Daryll — July 12, 2007 @ 6:50 pm
Or it could be because liberals, being tolerant of others’ religions, don’t generally resort to violence to make their voices heard.
McVeigh — right-wing nut-job
Eric Rudolph — right wing nut-job
Columbine — right-wing nut-jobs
Taliban — right-wing nut-jobs (for their society)
al Qaeda — right-wing nutjobs (for their society)
But if you want to believe God is protecting your alma mater, have a blast.
July 12th, 2007 at 7:07 pmPlease continue, Butt Slush.
July 12th, 2007 at 7:08 pmStudies have also shown that most polls on the internet are bullshit.
July 12th, 2007 at 7:08 pmJesus was wise before his time, but he was a man, like all of us. Even those of other religions.
Jesus decended from a common link with…..monkeys.
MonkeyJesus
July 12th, 2007 at 7:08 pmMcVeigh was an agnostic not a Christian.
and the Columbine kids were neither Christians nor part of the right.
July 12th, 2007 at 7:09 pmspit take:
You forgot one:
Neocons — right wing nut-jobs
July 12th, 2007 at 7:10 pmDaryll reminds me of the mother in “Carrie”. Do you think he has the Jesus shrine with the candles in the closet? keeps his kid locked in there because we are such sinners?
i just scared myself. That is a horrible thought.
July 12th, 2007 at 7:11 pmWe should be more tolerant of others who are different from us; after all, if there ever were a Jesus, he never spoke English.
July 12th, 2007 at 7:11 pmSURRENDER
O
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MUSLAMIC BLOWHARD LOVERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
July 12th, 2007 at 7:11 pm“Studies have also shown that most polls on the internet are bullshit.”
Comment by CD — July 12, 2007 @ 7:08 pm
Where did you find this “study” — on the internet?
July 12th, 2007 at 7:12 pmOnce again Mr Pee/SM/King is reduced to a howling, shit throwing simian.
It’s all the stupid bleaters ever do. The trolls come in here to crap on the podium; they never, ever have had anything meaningful to contribute.
The trolls are, to a man, losers. They hate their life, so they post lame drivel in the hopes of making others feel even worse. But actually it ends up confirming, in a public arena, that they’re self-loathing, authority-worshipping pieces of pig snot.
They’re just whiny little turds screeching in the mirror. Never made a lick of sense, and never will.
July 12th, 2007 at 7:12 pm#250 Religion has nothing to do with left/rightness, even though Ann Coulter, etc. think it does.
July 12th, 2007 at 7:12 pmThat’s right, he didn’t speak english. And he was probably Black.
July 12th, 2007 at 7:13 pmSURRENDER
July 12th, 2007 at 7:13 pmO
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Comment by CT_V1
“S URRENDER
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What’s a sonkey?
You truly are an idiot.
July 12th, 2007 at 7:14 pmVT wasn’t a religious school.
Comment by CT_V1
I didn’t claim it was, did I?
July 12th, 2007 at 7:14 pmSurenderin’ Monkeys…….
July 12th, 2007 at 7:14 pm.
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We should be more tolerant of others who are different from us; after all, if there ever were a Jesus, he never spoke English.
Comment by david — July 12, 2007 @ 7:11 pm
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OOooOO!!!!!!! OOOoooOOOOOooo!!!!!! OOOoooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
AAAAAAAAAAAAaaaaHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I KnOW!!!!!!!!!!!! ThAT’s WHY i SuRrENderED To tHE MuSLimS!!!!!!!
ThAT Is WhAT ISlAm MEAnS yOu KNoW…
SURRENDER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
OOOoooOOOo!!!!!! AAAAAAAAAaaaAAHHHhH!!!! AAahH!!!!!!!!!!!!
July 12th, 2007 at 7:14 pmComment by CT_V1
idiot
July 12th, 2007 at 7:15 pmyeah
July 12th, 2007 at 7:15 pmComment by Zooey — July 12, 2007 @ 7:14 pm
No, you singled out a religious school as having a risk – or higher risk – of gun violence.
July 12th, 2007 at 7:16 pmComment by CT_V1 — July 12, 2007 @ 7:14 pm
“Surenderin’ Monkeys…….”
Once again, WTF?
Here’s a link that will help: http://dictionary.reference.com/
July 12th, 2007 at 7:16 pmI bet Daryll is beating his “flipper-hands” kids right now. While his sister/wife watches HSN.
July 12th, 2007 at 7:16 pmwillyloman,
AAAAAaaHHAaHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
AAAaaaAAaHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
GOoOOOD TOo SeeeE YOuuUU MMYYy MOnKEy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
July 12th, 2007 at 7:16 pmEvangelicals make up 7% of the population
Non-theists make up 14% of the population.
By what authority do these holy rollers have permission to ram religion down other people’s throats?
Comment by Arthur C. — July 12, 2007 @ 7:07 pm
And active Christians (not those who call themselves one just incase, but those who actually go to church every Sunday) are more like only 35% of the country. Hardly the raging majority they claim…
July 12th, 2007 at 7:17 pmCalled the feds yet Mr. President?
July 12th, 2007 at 7:17 pmunbelievable, re #245,
The best study so far on efficacy of prayer after surgery actually had the result that the group who were being prayed for and KNEW it did statistically worse than the group who were being prayed for and didn’t know it and the group who weren’t being prayed for.
Seems that prayer was a bad thing, but only if you knew you were being prayed for. Could it be the pressure that they didn’t want to let the prayers down?
Silly little monkeys, still clutching their talisman to keep them safe.
We need to marginalize these religious freaks and keep them from any decision making position. Their idiocy is poisoning everything it touches, from the Iraq Crusades to stem cell to intolerance for anyone different.
July 12th, 2007 at 7:18 pmComment by willyloman — July 12, 2007 @ 7:15 pm
Since your fellows are opining me to be a bigot, I was thinking you could give me a few pointers in proving them right.
July 12th, 2007 at 7:18 pmComment by CarolSoprano — July 12, 2007 @ 7:04 pm
I did make that error though I know the differences well.
I also stated the victim soldier was murdered which was also not correct. Too man dinner time distractions.
July 12th, 2007 at 7:18 pmSince your fellows are opining me to be a bigot, I was thinking you could give me a few pointers in proving them right.
Comment by CT_V1
be my guest dimwit and see how it works out for ya
July 12th, 2007 at 7:19 pmThe Trolls are now certifiable.
Must be the changing winds….
July 12th, 2007 at 7:20 pmSince your fellows are opining me to be a bigot, I was thinking you could give me a few pointers in proving them right.
Comment by CT_V1
Besides, they know what a bigot is.
July 12th, 2007 at 7:20 pmJ Lewd — July 12, 2007 @ 7:12 pm I was refering to a claim by unbelievable.
July 12th, 2007 at 7:20 pmNo, you singled out a religious school as having a risk – or higher risk – of gun violence.
Comment by CT_V1
No, I didn’t.
Daryll asked why there had never been an attack at a christian “school,” and I made a prediction that if they ever were attacked it would be one of their own.
Don’t put words in my mouth.
July 12th, 2007 at 7:21 pmCT_V1, you may need a few pointers to learn the difference between your hat and your ass, but really you don’t need any pointers in how to demonstrate your bigotry.
July 12th, 2007 at 7:21 pmREAL Christians are tolerant of the beliefs of their fellow man.
These obviously are the Bush/Falwell (he says “hey” from hell) kind of “christians”.
Jesus Christ would be ASHAMED by these HYPOCRITES!!
But Master Satan LOVES them!!!!
Treasonously yours from the pits of hell,
Traitor Ronnie and my Master Satan
July 12th, 2007 at 7:22 pmOh I see, so Christianity is now a mafia-style protection racket?
“Oh, it would be in your interests to believe in Jesus. We would hate for something…’bad’… to happen to you.”
It’s almost worth reading this painfully ridiculous, nonsensical tripe. Provided you don’t go too far into the dark, tiny little world it leads to.
July 12th, 2007 at 7:23 pmJesus was wise before his time, but he was a man, like all of us.
Comment by willyloman
Respectfully disagree.
You 2 havin’ fun with these trolls?
I gotta say, these nutjobs who would do this during ANYone’s prayer are of the Fred Phelps ilk.
Way to go, that’ll convince them of just how loving and forgiving Jesus is.
July 12th, 2007 at 7:23 pmComment by willyloman — July 12, 2007 @ 7:20 pm
Got it! I’ll use “faggot.” Thanks so much for your kind wisdom, surrender monkey.
July 12th, 2007 at 7:24 pmgot to go walk my dog. this has been fun.
When CT gets back with his copy and paste, tell him be back later to call him an idiot.
July 12th, 2007 at 7:24 pmThe best study so far on efficacy of prayer after surgery actually had the result that the group who were being prayed for and KNEW it did statistically worse than the group who were being prayed for and didn’t know it and the group who weren’t being prayed for.
The Harvard/Sinai 10 year study on heart graft patients? Completely funded and run by religious people, too…
Seems that prayer was a bad thing, but only if you knew you were being prayed for. Could it be the pressure that they didn’t want to let the prayers down?
Could be. Some might also have not taken the best care of themselves because they felt their god would save them.
Silly little monkeys, still clutching their talisman to keep them safe.
LOL. Yep. Funny.
We need to marginalize these religious freaks and keep them from any decision making position. Their idiocy is poisoning everything it touches, from the Iraq Crusades to stem cell to intolerance for anyone different.
Comment by nanlichi — July 12, 2007 @ 7:18 pm
I agree. And I’ve found that by we seculars being vocal, and standing up to these maniacs, other people who reject their crazy beliefs feel better about saying so, and in the United States, non-religion is on the incline (along with a parallel of lower crime rates, interestingly enough).
We’re at the beginning of a religious revolution in this country… And non-belief will win.
July 12th, 2007 at 7:24 pmRucerious,we studied about algorithms theory, etc., but we also attended theolological classes to save your souls. Those who graduated within my class test/create programs to help protect our American soil so, therefore, we can continue to witness to the sinners before you leave this earth. We do not want you to die as a sinner.
July 12th, 2007 at 7:26 pmCT_V1,
You represent yourself as a Christian, maybe you could answer a question that has been bugging me.
Did Jesus’ shit stink?
Because I know mine does, and if Jesus’ did too, maybe he was just a human like the rest of us. Maybe then we should make decisions based on facts and reality, not some mythological unicorns or Christs or fairies.
July 12th, 2007 at 7:26 pmSince your fellows are opining me to be a bigot, I was thinking you could give me a few pointers in proving them right. CT_V1
Maybe try to NOT act like the following definition:
Bigot – –noun a person who is utterly intolerant of any differing creed, belief, or opinion.
Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.1)
Based on the Random House Unabridged Dictionary, © Random House, Inc. 2006.
American Heritage Dictionary – Cite This Source big·ot
Bigot =n. One who is strongly partial to one’s own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ.
I think that should clear this right up for you and your alter-egos here, as well as Daryll.
July 12th, 2007 at 7:26 pmComment by Arthur C. — July 12, 2007 @ 7:21 pm
Saving America from becoming a third-world country is the key.
Apparently, you find that to be a BIG problem.
Continue mouthin’, son.
July 12th, 2007 at 7:26 pmThat’s right, you stick with it CT. Someone will listen at some point.
You miserable little maggot of a human.
just remember Jesus was decended from monkeys. MonkeyJesus.
July 12th, 2007 at 7:27 pmSGT HiGiGnS!!!!!!!!!!
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SurREnDeR tO IsLAm!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
jEsSsUuuSSS WaSn’T aAA SurRREeNdER MoNKkey AAaaNNd If YyOOu WWaAAnNt tOOo bEEe A LeFfTy YooooOOOOU HaavvVVEE TOoo SurRENdeRrRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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July 12th, 2007 at 7:27 pmDo something worthwhile and classify Galaxies:
http://www.galaxyzoo.org/
July 12th, 2007 at 7:28 pmComment by upside00 — July 12, 2007 @ 7:26 pm
Well, you have experience practicing it, so I would like your insight to promptly place in the garbage disposal.
July 12th, 2007 at 7:28 pmWe do not want you to die as a sinner.
Comment by Daryll — July 12, 2007 @ 7:26 pm
Arrogant and judgmental!
July 12th, 2007 at 7:29 pmWillylomen,
Do want to post Koranic verses?
How about this one:
“[2.190] …fight in the way of Allah with those who fight with you…[2.191] And kill them wherever you find them, and drive them out from whence they drove you out, and persecution is severer than slaughter, and do not fight with them at the Sacred Mosque until they fight with you in it, but if they do fight you, then slay them; such is the recompense of the unbelievers. “
July 12th, 2007 at 7:30 pm#294 Well, you have experience practicing it, so I would like your insight to promptly place in the garbage disposal.
Comment by CT_V1
WTF does that mean?
July 12th, 2007 at 7:30 pmCT_V1, stop, just stop, you are getting stupider by the post, with each one you are losing brain cells and you don’t have that many to begin with. Take a break, go hump the blowup doll next to you and go to sleep, a very very deep sleep that hopefully you never wake from, idiot.
July 12th, 2007 at 7:30 pmHey, CT_V1: willyloman’s dog just extruded a big steamin’ load of troll food.
Eat it.
July 12th, 2007 at 7:30 pmTHE JOKER!!!!!!!!!
sURrENdER!!!!!!!! SurRENDer TO IsLAm!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
OOOOooOOOo…. OOOooooO!!!!!!!! AAAAaaaaAa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
July 12th, 2007 at 7:31 pmMore from Willy’s Koran:
[3.121]…to lodge the believers in encampments for war…[3.122] When two parties from among you had determined that they should show cowardice [about Jihad]…[3.123]…Allah did certainly assist you at [the Battle of] Badr…[3.124]…[3.125] Yea! if you remain patient and are on your guard, and they come upon you in a headlong manner, your Lord will assist you with five thousand of the havoc-making angels. [3.126] …victory is only from Allah…
July 12th, 2007 at 7:31 pmComment by willyloman — July 12, 2007 @ 7:27 pm
G’night there, elitist, American bigot.
Deportation orders to Afghanistan should be in order for you. Hopefully, you don’t cross too many gays there *GASP*
July 12th, 2007 at 7:32 pmunbelievable,
I think and hope that you are right that the country is rejecting the myths.
Have you read Sam Harris’ books? Makes a great case that it’s time to grow out of our mythological security blankets before we kill ourselves.
I try to battle the Christians when and where I can, because that’s what I am most confronted with. Somehow we need to work on the other myths too, the Jews and Muslims in particular. Maybe start by not killing their kids?
But we need to start at home.
Now I really am going fishing. Wish me luck!
CT_V1 and Daryll, pray to your Jebus that I catch a 300 pound marlin.
Thanks buddies.
July 12th, 2007 at 7:33 pmLike a bunch of scared little monkeys and their magic book keeping them safe from the onset of death.
July 12th, 2007 at 7:33 pmtoo afraid to evolve and to brainwashed to think.
all they have is fear and hate. these people are the biggest threat to this nation and to the species.
You Stalinist showed your true colors.
July 12th, 2007 at 7:34 pmYou get mad at a bunch of idiots who interuppted a Hindu Prayer.
They were probably drunk!
However when Muslims kill Hindus in India you Leftists say nothing!
Which is worst a bunch of idiotic drunk Christians or Murderous Muslims?
SurREnDeR tO IsLAm! —– Come on by and make me!
A LeFfTy YooooOOOOU HaavvVVEE TOoo SurRENdeRrRRR! — Not true, but if you want to regurgitate falsehoods and self-generated facts, you have to be….well, you.
Comment by SuRReNdEr mONkEy —– Nice handle, but only half-right. But then again, you’re used to that, aren’t ya?
July 12th, 2007 at 7:34 pmCT and THE JOKER!!!!
oooOOOOoo!!!!!! OOoooOOOooOO!! OOOoOooo!!!!!!!!!!
JoIN ThE LeFtIStts Annd SUrReNDerR TO ALlAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
AAAaaHHH AAaaA AAaaHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
July 12th, 2007 at 7:34 pm…victory is only from Allah…
Comment by The Joker — July 12, 2007 @ 7:31 pm
I suppose you’ve never read the bible either? Figures:
They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)
July 12th, 2007 at 7:34 pmSECULARS – you can’t win against Christians, it’s something they have to come to themselves.
CHRISTIANS – See http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com I dare you to watch the whole movie and think about it, not just knee-jerk react against it. I dare you…your faith is strong enough isn’t it?
July 12th, 2007 at 7:35 pmwillyloman,
How about this from your beloved Koran:
4.89] …take not from among them friends until they fly (their homes) in Allah’s way; but if they turn back [to their homes], then seize them and kill them wherever you find them… [4.90] Allah has not given you a way against them [Allah supposedly does not allow Muslims to fight people friendly to Muslims]. [4.91]…seize them and kill them wherever you find them…
July 12th, 2007 at 7:35 pmComment by Buck Fush — July 12, 2007 @ 7:30 pm
With a name like “Butt Slush,” you know it has to be good.
Could you remove that turban, already?
Mr. Intelligence quotient, please, give us some more insight.
July 12th, 2007 at 7:35 pmWhich is worst a bunch of idiotic drunk Christians or Murderous Muslims?
Comment by The Joker
Why do you automatically assum that one is WORSE than the other?
July 12th, 2007 at 7:36 pmKane Jeeves ,
July 12th, 2007 at 7:36 pmWhy don’t you Lefties go after Muslims?
Are you scared?
WiLLLyYLOMMaAa AAaA AAaNNN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
CCAaaNN YYyoOuu BeLLiEVE ITTtt!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ThE JoKEr FoUND OuT THAt MuSLiMS ARee BAaDDd!!!!!!!!!!!!!
WhAT Rrr wE gOIngGg ToO Dooo oOOOOoO OOOOOO!!?!??!?!?!
July 12th, 2007 at 7:36 pmDeportation Order A243544: “Buck Fush” to Afganistan.
SURRENDER!
JoooOOOoooOOOoooOOOoooOOOoooOOOs!
CoNpIrAcY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
July 12th, 2007 at 7:37 pmSGT Higgins ,
July 12th, 2007 at 7:38 pm3 drunks being stupid is not the same as suicide bombing!
I’ve never seened you Leftists condemn Muslims killing Hindus!
Yet you all get worked up by 3 jerks!
I call it Hypocrisy!
Ah, the fundamentalist xian jihadists are at it again. These kooks are now placed in our govt. in large numbers, in positions of power. Monica Goodling admitted to it. This same thing happened in Germany folks, instead of rabid antisemitism, they are racist against all brown people. That is our real enemy and look, NONE of them have been fired! This is an outrage, these people are still at the helm in every agency. Im afraid alright, afraid of these homegrown reichwingers who are ALREADY blatantly breaking the law and giving us all the middle finger. We have to ACT as citizens, protest, demand our “leaders” function within the LAW.
July 12th, 2007 at 7:38 pmThe name of the protesters leads me to believe that they may be immigrants from Eastern Europe. In Oregon they are fueling an attempt to recall gay rights legislation. Their logic is screwy – we came here for freedom of religion, therefore we get to practice our religion any way we choose and we choose to be as intolerant as the governments we left behind, and we want everyone else to be forced to be as intolerant as we are.
Comment by Powkat
Good point. The same bunch demanded not only that they be allowed to have a prayer group during school, which was fine, but that the prayer group had to meet right in the middle of the cafeteria, where a group of 100 people assembled for any reason was a disruption.
“Christians” who conveniently forget the Gospel of Matthew:
July 12th, 2007 at 7:38 pm
A few additional minutes and Trolls will be left to make moaning, groaning noises at each other.
Like a pig sty.
July 12th, 2007 at 7:39 pmI think and hope that you are right that the country is rejecting the myths.
Even Blabbermouth O’Reilly admitted it. The Religious Tolerance website has statistics showing that most self-professed Christians are CINOs, and that non-believe is on the rise each year.
Have you read Sam Harris’ books? Makes a great case that it’s time to grow out of our mythological security blankets before we kill ourselves.
I actually just ordered one of them… Should be here next week. :D
That sounds sane… Now I understand why the English shipped the extreme religious nuts to America to begin with :D
I try to battle the Christians when and where I can, because that’s what I am most confronted with. Somehow we need to work on the other myths too, the Jews and Muslims in particular. Maybe start by not killing their kids?
Great idea…
Now I really am going fishing. Wish me luck!
CT_V1 and Daryll, pray to your Jebus that I catch a 300 pound marlin.
Thanks buddies.
Comment by nanlichi — July 12, 2007 @ 7:33 pm
Poor fishy… (I’m vegan :D)
July 12th, 2007 at 7:39 pmWilly,
More3 peaceful quotes from the Koran!
you will find the most violent of people in enmity for those who believe (to be) the Jews [compare with "whenever Jews kindle fire for war, Allah [Muslims] puts it out” (K 005:064)] and those who are polytheists [while they are converted to Islam on pain of death]…
July 12th, 2007 at 7:39 pmunbelievable
YeAHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ChristIANs = bAAaDd
MmUsLLimS = GooOOOd!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
OOOOOOOOooo OOOOoooO AAAAAAAA AAAAAAA AAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!
July 12th, 2007 at 7:40 pm> I’ve never seened you Leftists condemn Muslims killing Hindus!
What about Hindus killing Muslims?
Catholics killing Protestants?
Protestants killing Catholics?
Animists killing Muslims?
We can set up a non-symmetric matrix with “acceptability” values…
July 12th, 2007 at 7:41 pmThe Joker
Muslims have nothing but love for the west! Don’t you claim otherwise!
In fact, our leftists want us all to become a “religiously diverse” family.
WONDERFUL! It feels so warm and toasty.
July 12th, 2007 at 7:42 pmJustice,
You’re full of it.
There are plent of Hispanics and Blacks that hate Muslims.
This has nothing to with race!
It’s about a cult bent on worl domination!
gummitch,
July 12th, 2007 at 7:42 pmNo Christian is defending these clowns. In fact I wouldn’t be suprise if they were Leftists posing as Christians!
Why doesn’t the left condemn Muslim bombings in India?
Poor fishy… (I’m vegan :D)
Comment by unbelievable
Uh, er, (stifling bigoted response), gag . . . that’s really great.
One of my kids is a sort of piscetarian, the other is Vegan. Lord help me, I don’t know where I went wrong.
July 12th, 2007 at 7:42 pmPoor fishy… (I’m vegan :D)
Comment by unbelievable
Could be catch-and-release. Just sayin’….(Obligatory (well not really) Monty Python reference “Always look on the bright side of life.”
July 12th, 2007 at 7:43 pmWhy doesn’t the left condemn Muslim bombings in India?
Comment by The Joker
They do. And they condemn Hindu attacks on Muslims. You need to get out more and maybe read something.
You create all these straw man arguments that have no attachment to reality.
July 12th, 2007 at 7:44 pmThe Joker,
Read the freaking bible. It’s just as violent and intolerant as the Koran of the Torah…
Trying to pit one againt the other is like trying to say your right leg is better than your left leg. Pointless considering they are simply two identical branches on the same trunk… Both religions are stupid. You don’t have to prove it.
July 12th, 2007 at 7:44 pmButt Slush – is that the best you can do? What are you 12 years old?
July 12th, 2007 at 7:44 pmAnd you are still embarassing yourself with your totally idiotic posts.
And PLEASE come up with something more creative than Butt Slush, that just sounds like a slurpy that you would enjoy.
> The Joker quotes…
But of course, all lived peacefully in Badgdad in the Middle Ages. Until the Mongols showed up.
July 12th, 2007 at 7:44 pm“What about Hindus killing Muslims?”
Only in self defense!
Muslims invaded India in the 9th Century!
Hindus are just fighting back!
Catholics killing Protestants?
Protestants killing Catholics?
Very miniaml numbers and mostly has been resolved!
Animists killing Muslims?
Only defending themselves against Islamic agression in Africa.
Hey how about the Muslim suicide bombings in Thailand?
July 12th, 2007 at 7:45 pmHow come TP doesn’t mention that?
wow, the crazy trolls in this thread is like watching a hoard of rabid, mouth-frothing chipmunks in some kind of weird ritualistic orgy.
July 12th, 2007 at 7:45 pm3 drunks being stupid is not the same as suicide bombing! — You didn’t ask if I thought it was the same, you asked which one was worse.
I call it Hypocrisy! — Get a clue. You don’t recognize hypocrisy at all then.
Comment by The Joker
July 12th, 2007 at 7:45 pmIn fact, our leftists want us all to become a “religiously diverse†family.
Only 7% of Americans are fundies. 14% are non-theists.
If it weren’t for America’s tolerance and religious diversity, you would be executed since for belonging a minor cult.
Now, that might sound like a good idea to lots of good Americans, but I’m against it.
July 12th, 2007 at 7:47 pmTroll Hater ,
Wrong Islam launched a war of agression against the Christian Roman Empire and the Zoroastorian Persian Empire.
As for the Monglos, the Muslims statrted it.
July 12th, 2007 at 7:47 pmGenghis Khan sent diplomats and merchants to The Islamic Shah of Persia.
The Shah killed them and the Mongols invaded in response!
Only 7% of Americans are fundies. 14% are non-theists
Wrong Evangelicals are 35% and Catholics are 25%!
July 12th, 2007 at 7:48 pmStop with your fake lies!
Uh, er, (stifling bigoted response), gag . . . that’s really great.
One of my kids is a sort of piscetarian, the other is Vegan. Lord help me, I don’t know where I went wrong.
Comment by gummitch — July 12, 2007 @ 7:42 pm
I feel its hypocritical to say I’m an Atheist who equally values all like and then kill other concious life to sustain my own. And really, most life, since eating a tomato or orange doesn’t kill the plant :D
Could be catch-and-release. Just sayin’….(Obligatory (well not really) Monty Python reference “Always look on the bright side of life.â€
Comment by SGT Higgins — July 12, 2007 @ 7:43 pm
That’s NOT the bright side. Fish are actually more intelligent than chickens or cows, and they DO feel pain when you hook them. It’s a lie that they don’t.
July 12th, 2007 at 7:48 pmSGT Videogamer,
July 12th, 2007 at 7:50 pmYou’re obvioulsly a stupid ignorant Muslim lover!
Drunbks are not the same as suicide bombers!
Obviously A suicide bomber is worst!
I bet if it was a Christian Suicide bomber you’d condemn it!
MmUsLLimS = GooOOOd!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
MmuUUSlIms ARe A pEAcEfuL buNcH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
AAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!! AAAAAAAA AAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!
July 12th, 2007 at 7:50 pmMmUsLLimS = GooOOOd!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
MmuUUSlIms ARe A pEAcEfuL buNcH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
AAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!! AAAAAAAA AAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!
July 12th, 2007 at 7:51 pmWrong Evangelicals are 35% and Catholics are 25%!
Stop with your fake lies!
Comment by The Joker — July 12, 2007 @ 7:48 pm
Fake lies? Wouldn’t that be the truth?
Yes, Arthur is telling the truth. Your statistics are actual lies.
July 12th, 2007 at 7:52 pm“What about Hindus killing Muslims?â€
Only in self defense!
Muslims invaded India in the 9th Century!
Hindus are just fighting back!
Comment by The Joker
Why do you obsess about conquests that are more than 1000 years old? It happens. Romans conquered vast tracts of land that didn’t belong to them and eventually lost it. The British colonized a huge portion of the world and then lost it. Europeans conquered the Western Hemisphere and slaughtered millions. Sweden was once huge. The Soviet Union fell apart. Sh!t happens.
July 12th, 2007 at 7:53 pmunbelievable,
July 12th, 2007 at 7:53 pmThe Old Testament is violent!
No argument there!
However the New Testament isn’t.
Also Christianity doesn’t folow the Bible literally as there are many schools of thoughts.
In Islam, the Koran is the word of the prophet!
Plain and simple!
Honestly my grips with Islam isn’t their religious beliefs, hewyif they want to follow a Dog hating crazy Moon God worshipping Pedophile prophet what do I care!
My gripe is their belief in Jihad and spreading their faith through the sword!
Stop with your fake lies! — The Joker
Shut yer juvenile maw, Goober. Your catching flies.
“…evangelicals remain just 7% of the adult population. That number has not changed since 1994″
“14.1% do not follow any organized religion. This is an unusually rapid increase — almost a doubling — from only 8% in 1990.”
Like I said, Evangelicals are a tiny cult; if not four America’s tolerance and religious diversity, you would be executed since for belonging a minor cult.
July 12th, 2007 at 7:54 pmGenghis Khan sent diplomats and merchants to The Islamic Shah of Persia.
The Shah killed them and the Mongols invaded in response!
Whut?
July 12th, 2007 at 7:54 pmtHe HiNDuS, JOoOs, AnD ChRisTiAns StARTEDd IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!
MUUSsslImmS = pEAcE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
OOooOOOo!!!!!!!!!!!! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!! AAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!
July 12th, 2007 at 7:54 pmWhat were the fundies wearing? Nehru jackets.
July 12th, 2007 at 7:55 pm“Why do you obsess about conquests that are more than 1000 years old? ”
July 12th, 2007 at 7:55 pmTo give you Leftists historical contexts.
When you guys get on your high horse defending Islam and condemning Christians I bring up facts about the rise of Islam.
If you guys stop Christian bashing and defending Muslims then I wouldn’t bring it up!
I feel its hypocritical to say I’m an Atheist who equally values all like and then kill other concious life to sustain my own. And really, most life, since eating a tomato or orange doesn’t kill the plant :D
Comment by unbelievable
I can understand the ethos of the vegetarian, but to willingly deprive yourself of dairy products? eggs? even honey?
I’ll give up my cheese when they pry the aged gouda from my cold dead hands.
July 12th, 2007 at 7:55 pmTroll Hater ,
July 12th, 2007 at 7:56 pmYup the Muslims killed Genghis Khan’s diplomat and Merchants and he retaliated!
He showed them a lesson!
He’s the man!
When you guys get on your high horse defending Islam and condemning Christians
I’m not condemning Christians, I’m condemning bigots; I’m not defending Islam, I’m defending religious tolerance.
Got a problem with that, bunwad?
July 12th, 2007 at 7:57 pmJoker, why are you Quoting the Quran? The gentleman in question is a Hindu. Shouldn’t you be quoting from the Upanishads or the Vedas?
July 12th, 2007 at 7:58 pmArthur C. ,
July 12th, 2007 at 7:59 pmYou’re a liar!
Evagelicals are 35% of the population!
Catholics are 25% of the population!
Losers like you are 14%
Evagelicals and Catholics would crush you in a civil war!
So you’re the minority idiot!
If you guys stop Christian bashing and defending Muslims then I wouldn’t bring it up!
Comment by The Joker
No one is bashing (well, a few of the atheists in the room, maybe) Christians as Christians. They’re “bashing” Christians for hypocrisy and bigotry. And defending Muslims who hurt no one. That’s where you get confused; you insist that defending any Muslim defends the worst of them, while criticizing the worst of Christians you see as “bashing” all of them.
Nothing could be farther from the truth.
Your “historical contexts” are always one-sided. Muslims are bad because they expanded through the ruins of the Roman Empire, yet you’ve never condemned the Romans for imposing that empire on other people in the first place.
Regardless of what the New Testament says, medieval Christians were just as brutal as their contemporary Muslims, if not more so. Many of the Crusaders robbed and murdered entire Jewish communities before they set off to the East.
July 12th, 2007 at 8:00 pmLoonie,
July 12th, 2007 at 8:01 pmI have no beef with Hindus and Condemn the acts of these 3 clowns.
I’m pointing out the Left’s hypocrisy in attacking 3 Christian fools but staying silent on Muslims killing Hindus!
THE JOKER
ChRiSTiANs = BaDDd
StALinIsM aNd IsLAm = GooOOddDD
OoooO OOOoo OOOooOOO AAAAAAAAaaa AAaaaAAaHHH!!!!!!!!!!!
July 12th, 2007 at 8:02 pmgummitch,
July 12th, 2007 at 8:03 pmThe Crusade were in response to The Islamic Turks defeating the Byzantines at Manzikert in 1071.
The Emperor Alexious asked the Pope for help.
So it was the Muslim’s fault.
As for Christian killing Christians that was wrong!
How about Muslism killing Jews today?
Many on this site cheer at the death of Israelis and support Ahmadinejad.
That makes you Holier than thou Leftists hypocrites!
Evagelicals and Catholics would crush you in a civil war!
So you’re the minority idiot!
Comment by The Joker — July 12, 2007 @ 7:59 pm
HAHAHAHAHHA
Look out the “my daddy can beat your daddy” sword has been drawn!
Wow kid, did your GI Joe break, and you’re all upset. Maybe you should see your clergyman, you know you like it when he hugs you in that special way.
July 12th, 2007 at 8:04 pmTHE JOKER,
It WAas NnOT thE MuSLiMSss!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ThEY AAre A PeAcE LovVIng BuNCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
OOooOO OOoooOOOOO OOOOooo AAAAAa AAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
July 12th, 2007 at 8:05 pm“Muslims are bad because they expanded through the ruins of the Roman Empire, yet you’ve never condemned the Romans for imposing that empire on other people in the first place.”
Ruins of the Roman Empire?
Are historically ignorant!
The Roman Empire still existed at the start of the 7th Century Jihad.
In fact the Empire controlled the Balkans, 1/2 of Italy including the city of Rome, Anatolia, Armenia, Syria, Egypt, North Africa and Spain was a vassal state! So get your facts straight buddy!
At the time of the Jihad all citizens called themselves Roman!
It was no longer an Empire but a Nation!
Learn history!
“They’re “bashing†Christians for hypocrisy and bigotry. And defending Muslims who hurt no one”
July 12th, 2007 at 8:08 pmWho hurt no one!
Look at the conflict in the world today!
Muslims are killing non Muslims in The Phillipines, Thailand, India and Israel!
You’re Pro-Muslim admit it!
God(Allah lover),
July 12th, 2007 at 8:09 pmYou’re just a Pro-Muslim apologist!
SuRReNdEr mONkEy ,
July 12th, 2007 at 8:10 pmAre you PIP?
You’re a liar! Evagelicals are 35% of the population! — Joker
Read it and weep, Gunther. If it’s too hard, have yer little sister explain it to you:
“…evangelicals remain just 7% of the adult population. That number has not changed since the Barna Group began measuring the size of the evangelical public in 1994….less than one out of five born again adults (18%) meet the evangelical criteria.”
“In addition to meeting the born again criteria, evangelicals also meet seven other conditions. Those include saying their faith is very important in their life today; contending that they have a personal responsibility to share their religious beliefs about Christ with non-Christians; stating that Satan exists; maintaining that eternal salvation is possible only through grace, not by being good or doing good deeds; asserting that Jesus Christ lived a sinless life on earth; saying that the Bible is totally accurate in all it teaches; and describing God as the all-knowing, all-powerful, perfect deity who created the universe and still rules it today.”
Evangelicals are 7% of the population, a tiny minority: if not for this nation’s devotion to tolerance, you and your ilk would have been exterminated long ago.
Don’t cry. Jesus still loves you.
July 12th, 2007 at 8:10 pmgummitch,
The Crusade were in response to The Islamic Turks defeating the Byzantines at Manzikert in 1071.
The Emperor Alexious asked the Pope for help.
So it was the Muslim’s fault.
As for Christian killing Christians that was wrong!
How about Muslism killing Jews today?
Many on this site cheer at the death of Israelis and support Ahmadinejad.
That makes you Holier than thou Leftists hypocrites!
Comment by The Joker
At the time of the 1st Crusade, that part of the world was relatively stable and had been for several hundred years. The Muslims no more “started it” than did the Byzantines. If the European crusaders were just fighting back against invasion from the East, why then did they refuse to relinquish the land they conquered in Syria and Palestine to the “rightful” owners, the Byzantines? Why did they establish Outremer and set up their own princedoms and kingdoms?
As to your “Many cheer the death of Israelis”, all I can say is that you’re a f^cking lying troll.
July 12th, 2007 at 8:10 pmOOoOO!!!!!!!!
NNoOOO
IIi HhaTTe PiP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
BEcAuSE HE DiDN’T SuRREnDer To ISlAM Like ALl The LEfTisTs!!!!!!!
I HaTe PiP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
OOOOooOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
IsLLaMM = GoooDDdd
July 12th, 2007 at 8:11 pm“I’m not condemning Christians, I’m condemning bigots; I’m not defending Islam, I’m defending religious tolerance.”
Why not condemn Islamic religious bigotry!
July 12th, 2007 at 8:12 pmChristians are treated as 2nd class citizens in Islamic countries!
I see no condemnation of that!
Muslims are given special priviledges and treated as speacial here in America!
NEW TESTAMENT VIOLENCE
Matthew
Those who bear bad fruit will be cut down and burned “with unquenchable fire.” 3:10, 12
Jesus strongly approves of the law and the prophets. He hasn’t the slightest objection to the cruelties of the Old Testament. 5:17
Jesus recommends that to avoid sin we cut off our hands and pluck out our eyes. This advice is given immediately after he says that anyone who looks with lust at any women commits adultery. 5:29-30
Jesus says that most people will go to hell. 7:13-14
Those who fail to bear “good fruit” will be “hewn down, and cast into the fire.” 7:19
“The children of the kingdom [the Jews] shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.” 8:12
Jesus tells a man who had just lost his father: “Let the dead bury the dead.” 8:21
Jesus sends some devils into a herd of pigs, causing them to run off a cliff and drown in the waters below. 8:32
Cities that neither “receive” the disciples nor “hear” their words will be destroyed by God. It will be worse for them than for Sodom and Gomorrah. And you know what God supposedly did to those poor folks (see Gen.19:24). 10:14-15
Families will be torn apart because of Jesus (this is one of the few “prophecies” in the Bible that has actually come true). “Brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death.” 10:21
Jesus says that we should fear God who is willing and “able to destroy both soul and body in hell.” 10:28
Jesus says that he has come to destroy families by making family members hate each other. He has “come not to send peace, but a sword.” 10:34-36
Jesus condemns entire cities to dreadful deaths and to the eternal torment of hell because they didn’t care for his preaching. 11:20-24
Jesus will send his angels to gather up “all that offend” and they “shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.” 13:41-42, 50
Jesus is criticized by the Pharisees for not washing his hands before eating. He defends himself by attacking them for not killing disobedient children according to the commandment: “He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death.” (See Ex.21:15, Lev.20:9, Dt.21:18-21) So, does Jesus think that children who curse their parents should be killed? It sure sounds like it. 15:4-7
MUCH, MUCH MORE AT:
July 12th, 2007 at 8:13 pmhttp://skepticsannotatedbible.com/cruelty/nt.html
gummitch,
They didn’t want those lands to become breeding grounds for more MuslimSh*teaters, that’s why!!!
That is also the reason why we are going to bomb Iran, and why we Americans are going to continue to kill Muslims all over the world!
July 12th, 2007 at 8:14 pm“One of the things that is overlooked by many Christians is that there is a wrathful Jesus in the New Testament. Jesus comes out and condemns whole towns to fates worse than Sodom and Gomorrah for not liking his preaching. You can find Jesus in some very foul moods.”
— Sam Harris
July 12th, 2007 at 8:15 pmWhy not condemn Islamic religious bigotry!
I do; what in God’s name made you assume I don’t?
Muslims are given special priviledges…
Exactly what special “priviledges” are you talking about, Goober?
July 12th, 2007 at 8:15 pm#
God(Allah lover),
You’re just a Pro-Muslim apologist!
Comment by The Joker — July 12, 2007 @ 8:09 pm
Sorry a$$wipe, I won’t apologize for any of you idiot believers of fairy tales. Every religion has it’s extremists, and unlike the coward Christian you and most of the trolls are, those extremists actually are fighting, and you’re home scared like a little girl.
July 12th, 2007 at 8:16 pm“At the time of the 1st Crusade, that part of the world was relatively stable and had been for several hundred years. The Muslims no more “started it†than did the Byzantines. ”
No it wasn’t!
The Turks conquered Anatolia, Armenia and Syria after Manzikert in 1071 AD. Hardle stable!
It was an act of Islamic agression!
You deny this since your an Islamic lover!
“If the European crusaders were just fighting back against invasion from the East, why then did they refuse to relinquish the land they conquered in Syria and Palestine to the “rightful†owners, the Byzantines? Why did they establish Outremer and set up their own princedoms and kingdoms?”
July 12th, 2007 at 8:16 pmThey actually did give back territory to the Btyszantines. They gave back Westen and Southern Anatolia.
As for the rest, they went back on their agreements because of a dispute with the Byzantines.
They should’ve given it back to the rightful Buzantine owners.
No argument here!
Better the Crusaders than Muslims.
The Joker,
The real reason that Muslims are treated special in the USA, is because these Leftist Muslim lovers always have to be PC!
Even when it comes to Muslims that would kill them in a second!
July 12th, 2007 at 8:16 pmIf you guys stop Christian bashing and defending Muslims then I wouldn’t bring it up!
Comment by The Joker — July 12, 2007 @ 7:55 pm
Strawman.
Christianity and Islam are BOTH stupid. There, feel better?
July 12th, 2007 at 8:16 pmStop with your fake lies!
Comment by The Joker — July 12, 2007 @ 7:48 pm
As opposed to your REAL lies?
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
July 12th, 2007 at 8:17 pm“Muslims are bad because they expanded through the ruins of the Roman Empire, yet you’ve never condemned the Romans for imposing that empire on other people in the first place.â€
Ruins of the Roman Empire?
Are historically ignorant!
The Roman Empire still existed at the start of the 7th Century Jihad.
In fact the Empire controlled the Balkans, 1/2 of Italy including the city of Rome, Anatolia, Armenia, Syria, Egypt, North Africa and Spain was a vassal state! So get your facts straight buddy!
At the time of the Jihad all citizens called themselves Roman!
It was no longer an Empire but a Nation!
Learn history!
Like I said “ruins of the Roman Empire.” The Byzantines called themselves “Romans” but spoke (and were) Greek. The rest of Europe was divided up among the Visigoths, the Franks, and any number of Germanic tribes. The so-called Roman Empire consisted of Turkey, Greece, part of the Balkans, a few fragments of Italy, and Sicily.
Your “Empire but a Nation” is so ahistorical and delusional, it’s difficult to know where to begin trying to correct it.
July 12th, 2007 at 8:17 pmArthur C,
July 12th, 2007 at 8:19 pm“Exactly what special “priviledges†are you talking about”
Cab drivers in Minnesota refusing to serve people with Blind Dogs, Muslim workers in Target not having to handle Pork, Favorable Media coverage, Making Non Muslim students in California recite Islamic prayers in a history class, When some criticizes Islam they get attackes and Muslims are being given foot washes in Public universities.
I feel its hypocritical to say I’m an Atheist who equally values all like and then kill other concious life to sustain my own. And really, most life, since eating a tomato or orange doesn’t kill the plant :D
Comment by unbelievable
I can understand the ethos of the vegetarian, but to willingly deprive yourself of dairy products? eggs? even honey?
I’ll give up my cheese when they pry the aged gouda from my cold dead hands.
Comment by gummitch
Our body’s digestive system and the way it works is very similar to chimps and gorillas. Both Chimps and gorillas are natural omnivores.
July 12th, 2007 at 8:21 pmVegetarianism is a personal choice, but by nature we too are omnivores. Sometimes it is a religious choice.
Just saying =)
I can understand the ethos of the vegetarian, but to willingly deprive yourself of dairy products? eggs? even honey?
Soy makes excellent dairy and egg replacements.
I can’t participate in the cruel slavery of cows that are milked so much that there is an allowable pus content in milk from tehir sores.
Or is the inhumane practice of debeaking active birds and stuffing them in overcrowded cages.
I’ll give up my cheese when they pry the aged gouda from my cold dead hands.
Comment by gummitch — July 12, 2007 @ 7:55 pm
Which is likely to be sooner than if you did it yorself :D. Dairy in abundant quantities actually leads to osteoporosis and liver damage…
Sucked watching my father die from colon/liver cancer, but it was some motivator to not follow in his footsteps. He ate anything and everything animal related.
July 12th, 2007 at 8:22 pmgummitch,
You’ve already proven that you are an idiot.
July 12th, 2007 at 8:23 pmMuslims invaded those lands BEFORE the Crusades!
If Muslims weren’t murderous conquerers, how did a group of Arabian tribesman wind up in Jerusal*m?
Our body’s digestive system and the way it works is very similar to chimps and gorillas. Both Chimps and gorillas are natural omnivores.
Vegetarianism is a personal choice, but by nature we too are omnivores. Sometimes it is a religious choice.
Just saying =)
Comment by Wayne
Absolutely, but I do understand and respect the ethical stance of vegetarians. I don’t share it, but I understand it. But cheese? What’s up with that?
July 12th, 2007 at 8:23 pmJoker, let’s begin with your first lie, about Muslims cabbies in Minnesota refusing to serve people with Blind Dogs:
“The Minnesota chapter of the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR-MN) today announced that Muslim cab drivers provided free rides to blind individuals (and their guide dogs) attending the American Council of the Blind (ACB) convention in Minneapolis.”
http://digital50.com/news/items/PR/2007/07/03/DCTU079/cair-mn-muslim-cabbies-provide-free-rides-for-the-blind.html
July 12th, 2007 at 8:24 pmYou’ve already proven that you are an idiot.
Muslims invaded those lands BEFORE the Crusades!
If Muslims weren’t murderous conquerers, how did a group of Arabian tribesman wind up in Jerusal*m?
Comment by Mr. President
Didn’t you learn all that from Robin Hood, PiPPy?
The Muslims, just like many many other human civilizations, conquered other people. Just like the “murderous Romans” and the “murderous Europeans” who conquered the Western Hemisphere and killed millions of Indians.
I know you’re obsessed with Jerusalem, and believe it’s part of Europe, PiPPy, but it’s just another city. Remember, the “murderous Muslims” built a mosque when they conquered Jerusalem, and allowed everyone to practice their religion in peace. The Crusaders killed everyone, Muslims, Jews and heretical Christians, alike.
What’s your point?
July 12th, 2007 at 8:27 pmLike I said “ruins of the Roman Empire.â€
How was it Ruins if the Roman government still controlled 60% of the territory?
It would only be ruins if it didn’t exist!
” The rest of Europe was divided up among the Visigoths, the Franks, and any number of Germanic tribes.”
The Visigoths ruled Spain in the name of the Roman Emperor in Constantinople! They put the Emperor ion the back of their coins and recognized Legal rulings from Constantinople.
“The so-called Roman Empire consisted of Turkey, Greece, part of the Balkans, a few fragments of Italy, and Sicily.
Don’t foger Syria, Egypt, Armenia and North Africa.
Here’s the map:
July 12th, 2007 at 8:27 pmhttp://www.euratlas.com/big/big0600.htm
“and allowed everyone to practice their religion in peace.”
July 12th, 2007 at 8:30 pmLiar!
Christians were 2nd class citizens in the Caliphate.
They had to jiyaza a special tax, their churches couldn’t sound their bells, They had to wear speacial markings on their sleaves and in a court of law their word was worthless against Muslims.
If you read the Hebrew version of the Old Testament, it has very little to do with the King James Version. This is because those who wrote the KJV had very little to do with God and a whole lot to do with controlling the people.
At that time, the old versions of the Bible had the earth as being flat and now there was just too much proof of this not being so. So the KJV came to be to cover up the fact that God had gotten that part wrong. Obviously God had gotten a lot of things wrong.
July 12th, 2007 at 8:30 pmgummitch,
The Mahometians had no right to be in those lands, they started it!
They invaded Africa, Europe, and the Middle East, KILLING anyone who did not convert!
Now they want to do the same thing to Western society,
and YOU apologize for them!!!!!!!!!!!
Yet you can’t even admit it to yourself!!!!
LOL!!!
July 12th, 2007 at 8:31 pmWayne,
I understand that apes evolved into humans because we began to eat animal protein in large enough quantities that allowed our brains to become larger (animal proteins aid the development of blood vessles, which are the basis of the growth of the body parts – why we are taler in the west than people in the east, for example). And that we need certain animo acids that our bodies cannot produce, and that are most abundant in animals.
However, I feel better taking animo acid supplements, and letting those chickens and cows I might have eaten live long and healthy lives as I would live to have myself :D
I do buy meat for my carnivorous cats… Though one of them likes edamame :D
July 12th, 2007 at 8:32 pmThanks for making my point, joker, I rest my case.
http://www.euratlas.com/big/big0700.htm
Here’s a more relevant map, of course, because it includes it includes the beginnings of the Omayyid Caliphate in northern Africa. But in both cases, the Roman Empire is that little pink piece off to the right.
Notice all those other “kingdoms”? Some of them liked to claim the mantle of Rome, but it was absolutely meaningless. They didn’t even enjoy a common language, much less a government. Pretensions to glory, just like the so-called Holy Roman Empire, which wasn’t holy, roman or an empire.
July 12th, 2007 at 8:32 pmArthur C.,
July 12th, 2007 at 8:33 pmwhy did they do that?
They did it because people were angry at them.
CAIR a great source.
CAIR is pro-Terrorist group.
They have supported Hamas and are currently Unindicted Co-Conspirators in Holyland Foundation case.
Also recently The Minneapolis Airport ruled Muslims have to serve all passengers if not they can’t drive!
It’s a PR stunt on CAIR’s part!
gummitch,
I was reffering to before the 7th Century Jihad.
Your map is after the Jihad!
Thanks for proving my point of Islamic agression.
Here’s my map of 600 AD!
http://www.euratlas.com/big/big0600.htm
see the difference!
July 12th, 2007 at 8:35 pmThe Mahometians had no right to be in those lands, they started it!
They invaded Africa, Europe, and the Middle East, KILLING anyone who did not convert!
Now they want to do the same thing to Western society,
and YOU apologize for them!!!!!!!!!!!
Yet you can’t even admit it to yourself!!!!
LOL!!!
Comment by Mr. President
The Romans killed everyone who didn’t submit to the Emperor, too, idiot. Why don’t you get all up in the Italians’ faces. I mean, according to joker, they’re the Roman Empire.
Are you still bucking for Stupidest Troll? Because the competition is pretty stiff. Well, competition is pretty steep.
If they ever let you back into middle school, tell them you need to read more than Robin Hood for history.
“The Saracens are coming! Hide under your beds!”
July 12th, 2007 at 8:36 pmObviously God had gotten a lot of things wrong.
Comment by christians hate america — July 12, 2007 @ 8:30 pm
And yet people still believe it’s the infallable word of their god…
Notice how The Joker just fully ignored my list of violent NEW Testament quotes…? Typical…
July 12th, 2007 at 8:36 pmsee the difference!
Comment by The Joker
I saw the difference. I even pointed it out to you, who apparently cannot read a map. “Roman Empire”, idiot. Where is it on the map?
July 12th, 2007 at 8:37 pmgummitch,
You Muslim-ass-sucker!
The Ommiads spread Islam with the sword!
and you defend that!!!
You love muslim killers but then you complain when a couple of drunk guys yell at a hindu!
You hypocrite!
July 12th, 2007 at 8:37 pmHowever, I feel better taking animo acid supplements,Comment by unbelievable
Corn and red beans together make a complete protein also.
One reason those that usually ate cornbread and beans when meat was scarce still stayed healthy, as a tip too ;)
My mom was a nutritionalist and a county heath extension agent for years.
July 12th, 2007 at 8:38 pmShe died of multiple myloma cancer 10 years ago, but she made sure all of us kids knew how to eat healthy growing up =)
Mr. President,
July 12th, 2007 at 8:38 pmYou notice how the Leftists defend Islam no matter what!
They lie about the Roman Empire not existing!
I show them a map of Pre-Jihad times!
They still deny it and then post a Post-Jihad map!
The prove my point about Islam being agressive!
But they will defend their allies to the end!
That’s true Love!
I do buy meat for my carnivorous cats… Though one of them likes edamame :D
Comment by unbelievable
All very amusing, but (in best stupid troll voice): WHAT ABOUT THE CHEESE!!????
July 12th, 2007 at 8:38 pmTomorrow, if they say a Christian prayer, a group of non-Christian should be there to give these hypocrites as dose of their own medicine…
July 12th, 2007 at 8:39 pm“Roman Empireâ€, idiot. Where is it on the map?”
Look at the 600AD. map around Constantinople.
July 12th, 2007 at 8:41 pmIt says Roman Empire.!
All the territory in pink is Roman Territory!
The Visigoths in Spain were Roman vassals!
So add that territory!
Know ytour history fool and not Islamnic propaganda!
The Muslims even called them Romans!
They lie about the Roman Empire not existing!
I show them a map of Pre-Jihad times!
They still deny it and then post a Post-Jihad map!
The prove my point about Islam being agressive!
But they will defend their allies to the end!
That’s true Love!
Comment by The Joker
I am impressed. Being able to cling to a delusion like that, after being the one to actually find the map that showed the teeeeeeeny little Roman Empire . . . that’s very impressive. You really are the Stupidest Troll.
Sorry, PiPPy. I know you gave it your best shot. All those punctuation marks for nothing.
You’ll always be Number Two in my book, though.
July 12th, 2007 at 8:41 pmone nation of ignorant-ass reactionary hillbilly ya-hoos, under debt, with treachery and snake-oil for all
July 12th, 2007 at 8:41 pmShe died of multiple myloma cancer 10 years ago,
Sorry to hear that.
but she made sure all of us kids knew how to eat healthy growing up =)
Comment by Wayne — July 12, 2007 @ 8:38 pm
That’s a good parent – wanting to do what is best for their kid rather than having some human shrine to their existence :D
Both of my brothers still eat horribly. One drinks heavily and the other smokes. Both are younger, but other people always think I’m the youngest… I point to the corn and red beans (or nuts and berries) :D
July 12th, 2007 at 8:43 pmI AM a Christian.
MURDERER Bush and his WAR CRIMINALS and those who support them are BLASPHEMERS who pervert the Word of God and do NOT follow the TEACHINGS OF Jesus Christ…
In short, Bush is a COXUCKER punk TRAITOR to the USA who follows neither the Word of God and Jesus nor the US Constitution…
July 12th, 2007 at 8:44 pm“I show them a map of Pre-Jihad times!
They still deny it and then post a Post-Jihad map!” – The Joker
These Leftists will do anything to try to prove that Islam is peaceful!!
Even though Muslims have always killed and spread Islam with the sword!!
Now they want to spread Islam with the bomb and these Leftists defend them!!!!
Muslims would kill any of them in a second if they saw them in the Middle East!!!
What a bunch of idiots!
July 12th, 2007 at 8:44 pmgummitch,
July 12th, 2007 at 8:44 pmLoook at the territory the Teenie weenie Roman Empire controlled.
You must be really stupid or just brainwashed.
Mr. President ,
Look at my map.
Does the Roman Empire look small to you?
WHAT ABOUT THE CHEESE!!????
Comment by gummitch — July 12, 2007 @ 8:38 pm
Read my initial response to you at 380… It’s in there :D
Gonna head out for now… Enjoy the foaming at the mouth trolls :D
Later!
July 12th, 2007 at 8:46 pmHey Gumby!
Here’s the Map again!
http://www.euratlas.com/big/big0600.htm
Teenie weenie Empire huh?
July 12th, 2007 at 8:46 pmOh, one parting shot:
PiP? Pees in Pants? LOL
Bye…
July 12th, 2007 at 8:47 pmValerie Plame Wilson was a COVERT spy specializing in WMD’s.
When she was exposed, not only was HER career over, but that of the CIA-company Brewster Jennings.
Likely all the people associated with them throught the world were KILLED.
Whoever exposed the operation has committed TREASON, and Bush does NOT CARE.
So much for the “war on terrorâ€â€¦
July 12th, 2007 at 8:48 pmgummbo,
You MORON!!!!
THE Roman Empire is the biggest territory on the map!
LOL!!!!
The Joker,
this guy is really a fool!
He said that the Roman Empire was SMALL!
LOL!!! What an Idiot!!!
July 12th, 2007 at 8:48 pmMr. President,
July 12th, 2007 at 8:52 pmSee how the Leftists lie no matter what!
They buy into Islamic propaganda!
He’s the 2nd fool to claim the Roman Empire didn’t exist at the start of the 7th Century!
They’re historically ignorant!
Our politically correct schools teach the Romans were conquered by barbarians. A lie.
The Roman lost some provinces but then recovered some of them back.
It was Islam that destroyed Rome!
In fact the Roman Empire ended in 1453 when the Islamic Turks took Constantinople!
We now return you to your regularly-scheduled troll circle jerk.
July 12th, 2007 at 8:54 pmThe Joker,
See how they always run away when they know that we have proved them wrong!!!
They are cowards, and will defend muslims killers just so they don’t seem racist, even though Islam isn’t a race!!!!
These guys are real losers!
July 12th, 2007 at 8:57 pmAs the 26%ers s l o w l y see the light, maybe even the trolls will follow suit, but if so, I will miss some of their hilarious grade school “humor” and weird logic.
July 12th, 2007 at 9:00 pmMr. President,
July 12th, 2007 at 9:02 pmThey spew thet PC propaganda crap!
I spew historical facts!
It just bothers them to realize that Muslims aren’t those Helpless people of Color they were led to believe by the media and their Marxist professors!
upside00,
July 12th, 2007 at 9:05 pmI’m not a Bush fan!
He’s Pro-Musl;im.
America is antiMuslim.
Polls showed dislike of Muslims at 60%!
If an Anti-Islamic party arose it would win in a landslide as many people on the Right, Center and Left hate Islam!
Only Stalinists like you TP posters and the Paleo-Cons like Buchanan and David Dule like Muslims!
You are the minority!
The Joker,
I can’t wait to see the reaction when more Muslims start dying in Iraq, Iran, Pakistan, and all over the world!
It will be great!
July 12th, 2007 at 9:06 pmand funny because everyone here will be crying!
The Joker,
Check out this picture!
http://zombietime.com/mohammed_image_archive/extreme_mohammed/mohammad1.jpeg
July 12th, 2007 at 9:09 pmMr. Pres,
July 12th, 2007 at 9:30 pmThat’s classic!
When I came to India in 52 AD did those Hindus kick me out?
July 12th, 2007 at 9:38 pmComment by Mr. President — This is more like it:
July 12th, 2007 at 9:56 pmhttp://www.infowars.com/images2/cartoons/250607masterrm9.jpg
Comment by The Joker — Here’s one for you Puto Joker:
July 12th, 2007 at 10:00 pmhttp://www.infowars.com/images2/cartoons/250805torture.jpg
“………lead us from the un-real to the real, from the darkest to the light.”
That’s just something that the Tally-Wing will never tolerate. I remember when it used to be, that to be a Christian was to emulate the life, and follow the teachings of Christ. These people who claim to be Christians are not Christians at all. They are but hipocritical beings who have lost their way. I’m sure that Jesus would be saddened by the claims they make in his name.
Peace!
July 12th, 2007 at 10:02 pmComment by JTitor — July 12, 2007 @ 9:56 pm
Yeah right!
Cheney’s no coward!
He is a genius!
CHENEY 2008!!!
July 12th, 2007 at 10:06 pmComment by Mr. President — Cheney takes it up the ass@!
July 12th, 2007 at 10:08 pmCheney is a brilliant strategist and a true patriot!
July 12th, 2007 at 10:12 pmComment by Mr. President — And he takes it up the ass!
July 12th, 2007 at 10:16 pmJTitor,
July 12th, 2007 at 10:22 pmHow about pictures of Muslim beheadings?
Want me to post them?
As a true Leftist you stick up for Muslims!
Frankly, I would prefer no religion in government. However, generally Fundamentalist Christians are as rotten as any Fundamentalist, Hindu, Muslim, Zoroastrian, Pagan, or UFOlogy.
But….let us not forget the Inquisition, and the burning of witches/Ergot Eaters/ Pot Smokers/Woman’s Libbers. Who is the main force behind that? Drunken Bible Thumpers of course. Herbalists are much better at helping people than crocked perverts.
In the long run, crazy people will create a crazy Deity in their own image. Sane people do not need images or mythology, but if people prefer to be spititual, they will create a God/Goddess of Love in their own image.
July 12th, 2007 at 10:29 pmIn addition, I know more Atheists that practice the teachings of Jesus than the so-called Christians do.
July 12th, 2007 at 10:31 pmswampgas ,
July 12th, 2007 at 10:51 pmIt’s Stalinists like you who are judgemental and hollier than thou.
You Commies stand in your high horse and condemn others!
Just like the Bibile Thumpers.
Both groups are Totalitarian frauds to me!
yeah, I’d like to see Cheney run in 08. That would be a wise and pragmatic move by the republican party. Lock up that 26%
July 12th, 2007 at 11:04 pmGotta love dem Christians:
http://www.star-telegram.com/news/story/161625.html
July 12th, 2007 at 11:10 pmLadies and gentlemen, some of the messages I have read here are confusing. Some are written by people who have no spiritual beliefs. Some are written by people who have strong spiritual beliefs and many of them are different from mine. Some are written by people who do not have a clue why the Senate opens each session with prayer. History tells us that the signers of the Declaration of Independence were devout Christians who pledged their “sacred honor” as they declared a breaking away from their homeland. Their ideals still live today. We, as a nation, do not force anyone to be a member of a particular religion or denomination. We tolerate most any spirtual belief that man may posess as long as the worship aspect does not violate existing laws for instance human sacrifice. Personally, I would never have asked a Hindu priest to offer a prayer to what I consider a false god in a chamber of government in a nation that by its own founding documents declares itself to ordain Christianity. Whomever made such a decision was obviously blind to the possibility of the backlash that would not only be expected but guaranteed. I think such action is an insult to the memory of valiant men who pledged everything they owned to establish this nation. The Bible tells me that although the Hindu priest may be a good man, a moral man, a compassionate man, without accepting the sacrifice that Jesus made on the cross as payment in full for all of his sins and declaring that Jesus is Lord of his life then regardless of his moral compass he will spend eternity separated from a Holy God in a place the Bible describes as a place where there will be “weeping, wailing and gnashing of teeth.” A most desolate place when the alternative is so easily attained by a gift of God’s grace. There is nothing man can do on his own to reach Heaven. It is appropriate in my opinion to oppose the presentation of Hindu prayers in governmental assemblies in a Christian nation. I only wish there had been more elected officials that would have stood with the protesters rather than fear they might offend potential voters.
July 12th, 2007 at 11:28 pmComment by The Joker — Los Pinche Puto Joker! Sorry pinche hoto Joker.
July 12th, 2007 at 11:29 pmRucerious,we studied about algorithms theory, etc., but we also attended theolological classes to save your souls. Those who graduated within my class test/create programs to help protect our American soil so, therefore, we can continue to witness to the sinners before you leave this earth. We do not want you to die as a sinner.
Comment by Daryll — July 12, 2007 @ 7:26 pm
That’s supposed to make me feel safer, I suppose.
July 12th, 2007 at 11:48 pmSeeing how little actual work your curriculum contained, I am somewhat more worried about our national security than before your post.
swampgas ,
It’s Stalinists like you who are judgemental and hollier than thou.
You Commies stand in your high horse and condemn others!
Just like the Bibile Thumpers.
Both groups are Totalitarian frauds to me!
Comment by The Joker — July 12, 2007 @ 10:51 pm
I’m not condemning anyone, just giving your Fox News/Coulter/McCarthy/Limbaugh/Bush/Hitler addled brain a little lesson. Never liked Stalin much either, as Totalitarianism was not the answer, as was Fascism, Communisim, or our current Corporatism. Also, some female Pagans can be pretty intolerant.
You see, what amazes me about simpletons like yourself is that if one says what the dirty dealings of one group is, say Republicans, Bible Thumpers, Inqusitors, and Idiots like yourself, then that automatically means I am the opposite. This is probably due to your God vs The Devil upbringing, where everything is black or white.
Now that I have wasted 5 minutes of my life on a piss ant clod like yourself, I will move onto more important subject matter.
July 12th, 2007 at 11:55 pmActual history, rather than the revisionist versions popular today, tells us that the signers of the Declaration of Independence were deists, and our founding documents do not ordain Christianity. “Sacred” and “Christian” are not synonyms.
I don’t believe that formalized prayer from any religion is appropriate in our legislative settings. Nevertheless, to meet with such intolerance and bigotry a well-intentioned attempt to practice the diversity that is *supposed* to be one of our country’s strengths does christians–and the United States–no credit.
This entire comment thread would be funny if it were not so sad and repellant.
July 12th, 2007 at 11:59 pm#436 Ladies and gentlemen, some of the messages I have read here are confusing. Some are written by people who have no spiritual beliefs. Some are written by people who have strong spiritual beliefs and many of them are different from mine. Some are written by people who do not have a clue why the Senate opens each session with prayer. History tells us that the signers of the Declaration of Independence were devout Christians who pledged their “sacred honor†as they declared a breaking away from their homeland. Their ideals still live today. We, as a nation, do not force anyone to be a member of a particular religion or denomination. We tolerate most any spirtual belief that man may posess as long as the worship aspect does not violate existing laws for instance human sacrifice. Personally, I would never have asked a Hindu priest to offer a prayer to what I consider a false god in a chamber of government in a nation that by its own founding documents declares itself to ordain Christianity. Whomever made such a decision was obviously blind to the possibility of the backlash that would not only be expected but guaranteed. I think such action is an insult to the memory of valiant men who pledged everything they owned to establish this nation. The Bible tells me that although the Hindu priest may be a good man, a moral man, a compassionate man, without accepting the sacrifice that Jesus made on the cross as payment in full for all of his sins and declaring that Jesus is Lord of his life then regardless of his moral compass he will spend eternity separated from a Holy God in a place the Bible describes as a place where there will be “weeping, wailing and gnashing of teeth.†A most desolate place when the alternative is so easily attained by a gift of God’s grace. There is nothing man can do on his own to reach Heaven. It is appropriate in my opinion to oppose the presentation of Hindu prayers in governmental assemblies in a Christian nation. I only wish there had been more elected officials that would have stood with the protesters rather than fear they might offend potential voters.
Comment by Don Heard — July 12, 2007 @ 11:28 pm
The Hindu, The Buddist, and the Christian argued about whose “God” was the correct one. The Hindu said, “God is Everywhere, in the trees, rocks, heaven, in us”. The Buddhist said “God is the Path of Life, it is simply being, many turtles stacked upon each other to infinity”. The Christian said, “God s a Man far away from here in Heaven”. They argued for hours.
Then the clock struck 12 Noon. They were all very hungry by this time. An Atheist cook called out “Time For Lunch”, and everyone ate happily and forgot the yelling about God.
July 13th, 2007 at 12:05 am#441 – swampgas, I like your sense of whimsy. I try not to fight the Neo-Con supporters, but some of the posts here I find hilarious. Religion, the word itself come from the word Religio, which means to lock down or bind up.
July 13th, 2007 at 12:13 amYes, their hatred and intolerance are breathtaking. Prayer of the wicked? An abomination in God’s sight? It’s one thing to be told you’re going to hell unless you take Jesus as the one true way. It’s something entirely different when you call those who don’t practice what you do evil. And to say that God is filled with disgust and hatred for Hindus? Along with gays, non-Christians (that would included Catholics and Mormons), athiests, etc. God hates so many of his creations.
Freedom of religion? Uh, not exactly. Advice to Hindus, Buddhists, etc.: time to go underground. Your very lives may depend on it.
I think, though, Buddhists and atheists are most at risk because neither believes in a creator god.
July 13th, 2007 at 2:06 amHistory, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government. This marks the lowest grade of ignorance of which their civil as well as religious leaders will always avail themselves for their own purposes. — Thomas Jefferson
The United States is in no sense founded upon the Christian doctrine. — George Washington
Who does not see that the same authority which can establish Christianity, in exclusion of all other religions, may establish with the same ease any particular sect of Christians, in exclusion of all other Sects? — James Madison, “Memorial and Remonstrance,” 1785.
During almost fifteen centuries has the legal establishment of Christianity been on trial. What has been its fruits? More or less, in all places, pride and indolence in the clergy; ignorance and servility in the laity; in both, superstition, bigotry, and persecution. -– James Madison
Just a few quotes from the founding fathers…
TJ – author of the Declaration of Independence
GW – first president of the United States
JM – author of the Constitution
The religious wing-nuts have no claim about the foundations of the US democracy.
July 13th, 2007 at 2:41 amHere’s a little poem by an Indian poet…Where the mind is without fear:
Where the mind is without fear and the head is held high;
July 13th, 2007 at 3:03 amWhere knowledge is free;
Where the world has not been broken up into fragments by narrow domestic wars;
Where words come out from the depth of truth;
Where tireless striving stretches its arms towards perfection;
Where the clear stream of reason has not lost its way into the dreary desert sand of dead habit;
Where the mind is led forward by thee into ever-widening thought and action –
Into that heaven of freedom, my Father, let my country awake.
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- MR. PRESIDENT (CIC/PiPpy)
July 13th, 2007 at 3:19 amHistory, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government. This marks the lowest grade of ignorance of which their civil as well as religious leaders will always avail themselves for their own purposes. — Thomas Jefferson
The United States is in no sense founded upon the Christian doctrine. — George Washington
Who does not see that the same authority which can establish Christianity, in exclusion of all other religions, may establish with the same ease any particular sect of Christians, in exclusion of all other Sects? — James Madison, “Memorial and Remonstrance,†1785.
During almost fifteen centuries has the legal establishment of Christianity been on trial. What has been its fruits? More or less, in all places, pride and indolence in the clergy; ignorance and servility in the laity; in both, superstition, bigotry, and persecution. -– James Madison
Just a few quotes from the founding fathers…
TJ – author of the Declaration of Independence
GW – first president of the United States
JM – author of the Constitution
The religious wing-nuts have no claim about the foundations of the US democracy.
Comment by cheesehead
Correct.
And the intolerant people who call themselves “christians” are NOT following the Word of Jesus
Love your neighbor, REGARDLESS of “religion”
Of course, those same azzholes follow a MURDERER and COXUCKER punk TRAITOR to the USA named Bush.
July 13th, 2007 at 3:25 amNO RELIGION EXCEPT THE TRUE RELIGION SHALL BE TOLERATED
ISLAM… HA!!! † † † † † † † † † † † † † †
THAT’S THE FIRST T’ GO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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- MR. PRESIDENT (CIC/PiPpy)
July 13th, 2007 at 3:33 amBush is a TRAITOR coxucker PUNK who will BURN IN HELL FOR ETERNITY for his WAR CRIMES.
Satan’s first act will be to SMASH Bush’s face…
Then do it OVER AND OVER FOR ETERNITY!
July 13th, 2007 at 3:39 am††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††BUSH and CHENEY are PROTECTED bY JESuS ††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††â€
July 13th, 2007 at 3:44 amTHEY SHALL LIVE LONG AND HAPPY LIVES, basking in the GLORY
of their BRILLIANT political careers †††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††â€
CHENEY… will be a ROLE-MODEL to future leaders of the WORLD
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!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Bush’s FAT SLOB MOTHER says he is a COXUCKER punk TRAITOR…
OUCH!!!
July 13th, 2007 at 4:29 amSatan’s first act will be to SMASH Bush’s face…
Then do it OVER AND OVER FOR ETERNITY!
And TRAITOR Bush’s FAT SLOB MOTHER will be watching as he cries:
MOMMY!!!
July 13th, 2007 at 4:31 amAnd verily a storm will come over this land, and the LORD will strike down the sinners with HIS mighty sword.
July 13th, 2007 at 5:28 amBy the way, the Pope said yesterday that his is the only true church of Jesus, so these people in the Senate are obviously not rieghteous, but sinners in HIS eyes.
July 13th, 2007 at 5:29 amOm.
July 13th, 2007 at 8:39 amNamu Amida Butsu.
July 13th, 2007 at 9:09 amThe infinite is in the finite of every instant. (Zen proverb)
Sabbe sattaa abyaapajjhaa hontu.
July 13th, 2007 at 10:46 am“swampgas ,
It’s Stalinists like you who are judgemental and hollier than thou.
You Commies stand in your high horse and condemn others!
Just like the Bibile Thumpers.
Both groups are Totalitarian frauds to me!”
Gee, who is condemning who here? What a joke.
July 13th, 2007 at 10:58 amThat is totally disgusting! I am appalled, and now its CRYSTAL CLEAR why these Chritofacists support Bush and the war on Muslims, because these people DO see it as a religious war.
July 13th, 2007 at 11:07 amWhy do we have ANY prayers in a government function. Stupid and hypocritical.
July 13th, 2007 at 11:08 amSince all religion is equally stupid, why should anyone care which invisible man in the sky other people pray to?
Wake up, you fucking sheep.
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July 13th, 2007 at 4:01 pmwhat would Jesus do?
July 13th, 2007 at 4:09 pm…and what happened to the separation of church and state…?
American Taliban
July 13th, 2007 at 4:19 pmI’m close to vomiting.
No, not because of the Christians interrupting the prayer, but that ThinkProgress is deliberately focusing on that to make Christians the enemy, instead of pointing out the REAL crime here which is the fact that AN prayer is being spoken in the Senate chamber, in the presence of people with opposing beliefs.
Your agenda is to defame Christians and their beliefs. I am one, and I am highly offended, and downright pissed off.
July 13th, 2007 at 4:21 pmYou can’t beat the Christian Right, so let’s join them and speak to them in language they understand. Impeach Cheney for witchcraft!
July 13th, 2007 at 4:24 pmNext, thanks to Nancy Pelosi, we will have Osama Bin Laden himself, representing the Democrats and state the pledge of legions as well as read a verse form the Koran.
July 13th, 2007 at 4:26 pmI’m lost in all you say, All I do know is that no one has to believe in God(Jesus, my God), I will not condemn you. However, Jesus is God, and if somehow someone exposes his teachings to you,(that is what Christians are supposed to do, SPREAD THE WORD OF GOD) and you fail to acknowledge that, Then I do believe your afterlife will not be a fun one.
July 13th, 2007 at 4:27 pmThat is all
You do Know that America is supposedly a ******* melting pot and respects all beliefs. This just proves there is no such thing as equality in this pathetic patch of land we call a country. The truth is US does not give a shit about equality they are just a capitalistic mofos sitting up in office so they can have money coming out of their ass. Back to the point if you ask an average American anything about a their country they will have no idea of where New York is. I thought state and religion we to be separated completely in America.
Jesus is the son of god learn about your own religion before you go around telling people who is right and who is wrong.
July 13th, 2007 at 4:27 pmReligion brings war. War loves relegion. As we can clearly see here.
July 13th, 2007 at 4:31 pmYou don’t know a thing white folk – its one nation under GOD (Which isn’t specified) for liberty and justice for ALL – you made/said it/worshiped it – now live by it.
July 13th, 2007 at 4:31 pm#460
Why do we have ANY prayers in a government function. Stupid and hypocritical.
Here is a quote by Ben Franklin at the Constitutional Convention on June 28, 1787 – 3months before the signing of the constitution:
“I have lived, Sir, a long time, and the longer I live, the more convincing proof I see of this truth that God Governs in the affairs of men. And if a sparrow cannot fall to the ground without his notice, is it probable that an empire can rise without his aid? We have been assured, Sir, in the sacred writings, that “except the Lord build the House they labour in vain that build it.” I firmly believe this; and I also believe that without his concurring aid we shall succeed in this political building no better, than the Builders of Babel: We shall be divided by our little partial local interests; our projects will be confounded, and we ourselves shall become a reproach and bye word down to future ages. And what is worse, mankind may hereafter from this unfortunate instance, despair of establishing Governments by Human wisdom and leave it to chance, war and conquest.
I therefore beg leave to move-that henceforth prayers imploring the assistance of Heaven, and its blessings on our deliberations, be held in this Assembly every morning before we proceed to business, and that one or more of the Clergy of this City be requested to officiate in that Service.”
-Ben Franklin
They founded the government of biblical principles and therefor set rules and standards to follow. Yes there is freedom of religion, what does this mean?
It means people of ALL religions regardless of who thinks it’s right will be welcomed to live and practice freely.
Should they have been rude and jump in during the prayer? no
Should the hindu clergy have done the prayer? I hear nothing that he says force hinduism or goes against anything that christians would believe.
However as franklin states “a clergy of the city” will be requested.
For you guys to judge hinduism because of what extremists do is wrong, for you to judge christianity because of what extremists do is wrong.
Maybe some of the muslims over here are getting away from the murder and rape of their country.
And for those of you who think irag/iran isn’t that bad, i urge you to move there.
As far as the homosexuality thing, if you were supposed to be gay you would be born with a dick and vagina. it just doesnt work, if everyone was gay there would be no kids. (don’t even use the science excuse, pretend we are 100 years in the past)
Please someone prove me wrong with actual facts.
July 13th, 2007 at 4:32 pm>>No.464
July 13th, 2007 at 4:34 pmYou are what is wrong in this world
Thank ********* that i don’t live near any fudementalist christians
Right Wing OR Left Wing Christianity or ANY religion is bad for America. It distracts us from the real killer – corporate America. This true evil is flushing you all down the toilet. Their short sighted quarterly profit oriented system will be your doom and quite frankly the rest of the worlds. There is no hope, and no turning back, you might as well fight about something as trivial as my fake god is better than your fake god cause in the end that’s all you’ll have. Good luck with that.
- canada
July 13th, 2007 at 4:34 pmI am not condoning the behavior of those disrupting the “prayer” in the Senate today. Although, like it or not, our nation was founded as “One Nation Under God” – Not GodS plural. Later, when that message was placed on our currency – it represented the vast majority of the lives, beliefs, and writings of the Founding Fathers. As Hinduism is polythestic that does not represent our nations founding, it has no place as the opening Senate prayer.
July 13th, 2007 at 4:36 pmHow hard is it to understand: there are extremists in all religions. There should not have been a hindu prayer at this Senate meeting, but there should also not be Christian prayers. If you want to pray, go to a fucking church, or mosque, or temple, or whatever. Every time any ofyou said “muslim” just replace it with “black” or “chinese” or “jew” and you’ll see how fucking ridiculous you sound. Ignorant pieces of shit.
July 13th, 2007 at 4:40 pmThis nation was founded on christian principles. Believe it or not, in some towns in Massachusetts, you HAD to go to church. it was a town rule. If you didn’t, you would be publicly punished.
If the country was founded on Christian principles, why stray away?
Just look at our nations anthem: “one nation under GOD”
Just pointing a few things out.
July 13th, 2007 at 4:46 pmOrganized religion is the cause of most of the world’s suffering, and fanatics like these christian whackjobs show why. Is there nothing in the christian religion about tolerance? Apparently not, if these weak-minded fools are to be believed.
July 13th, 2007 at 4:46 pmIt is no wonder you’re country and its people are so despised around the world! You are drowning in your own self righteousness, egotism and frankly stupidity. It doesnt matter what anyones religion or belief system is, what matters is that everyone has a right to express it wherever in the WORLD they reside!
July 13th, 2007 at 4:48 pmwait, ‘robe wearing foreigner’? I see the ‘foreigner’ part but not the ‘robe-wearing’ part. All catholic priests that I’ve seen, wear a robe.
July 13th, 2007 at 4:52 pmThat’s enough out of you america’s hat! What’s the last thing canada ever did that people remember, good or bad?
July 13th, 2007 at 4:53 pmYour opinions don’t really matter. Everything that happens in the United States congress and Government might as well be magic, because none of us have any influence, and likely, short of killing a political figure, never will.
July 13th, 2007 at 4:55 pmThis is what happens when the President panders ignominiously to Bible-thumping troglodytes.
Don’t be fooled. This crowd is racist, jingoistic, and intolerant. They are crassly ignorant of Hinduism and have no intention to inform themselves. They are the fanatics to whom Bush has turned over the country.
July 13th, 2007 at 5:03 pmPeople – to label one side “the Christian right” as being evil, stupid, etc is to be as ignorant as those who interrupted the Hindu prayer. Certainly not every person who falls in the Christian right is pure evil. We are all sinners in this world regardless of religion, creed, race, gender, or nationality. The first step towards peace is to hate the sin and love the sinner.
July 13th, 2007 at 5:04 pmI’m Christian, I’m generally Republican.
I’m offended by this outburst.
This nation was borne from people wanting to practice differing beliefs. It doesn’t matter if our money says “One Nation Under God”, that is a relatively recent addition. While most Americans are Judeao/Christian, we are still a nation that is supposed to respect the beliefs of others, as the Founding Fathers wished to have their beliefs respected in return.
July 13th, 2007 at 5:07 pmI’d just like to say that everyone who thinks every Christian is like the ones who disrupted that prayer is just as big of a bigot as those you claim to protest. You claim to be all for open minds and free thought when your just as full of your own intolerances and hate. Lots of people use beliefs like religion and science to justify evil that doesn’t make religion or science bad.
July 13th, 2007 at 5:09 pmI’m Mormon / LDS and we believe that all men have the right and priveliege to worship who, what, and how they may. People who act like this are plain fools and are doing more help to Old Scratch then they are to the Lord.
July 13th, 2007 at 5:10 pmAccording to many Fundamentalist Christians, the day will come when “The Rapture” will haul their sorry asses off of this Planet. Maybe then we’ll get some peace.
July 13th, 2007 at 5:11 pmIt’s funny how this pushed so many “tolerant” people out of shape. I’m glad I live in a country where 3 people can interrupt the public prayer in congress. While I agree it was certianly in bad taste, I’m glad they could still do it.
July 13th, 2007 at 5:13 pmI can’t believe people accually think that all the other religions in this world are wrong but theirs. Pretty arogant dont you think?
July 13th, 2007 at 5:19 pmIt’s about time christians took action against this satanic attack against our country. Unfortunately it’s too little too late. The heathens control the government and the press.
For those of you who paint the christians as the ‘Taliban’, you ought to do a little research and see how your wonderful Hindu brethren are treating millions of christians in India. In general they are being hunted down like dogs. Their church’s burnt to the ground. They are being murdered and thrown in prison on trumped up charges. You can check out voice of the martyrs or open doors to see the plain facts yourselves. No doubt, however, you applaud this and wish to welcome idolatry, demon worship and death cults like Islam into our formerly christian country. If anything else this is the short road to third world status and death.
July 13th, 2007 at 5:20 pmI think God is the true king always and forever.. but I also think it was rude for those 3 people to interrupt. I am a christian but I am a firm American stating that there is an Amendment stating freedom of religion, and apparently I still wonder if Americans today are even following that.. no one can force anyone in this country to follow a religion they dont wanna follow. That’s what makes America the country of freedom. That’s also why God gave us a choice
July 13th, 2007 at 5:20 pma hindu prayer in the Senate? thats pretty insulting and horrifying.
July 13th, 2007 at 5:23 pmThink anyone actually read all these comments?
July 13th, 2007 at 5:26 pmI think its important to note that the actions taken by the Christian fundamentalism in this video DO NOT at all represent the attitudes or behavior of all Christians. The Christians in this video are obviously of the extremist variety. Their behavior is no more indicative of the behavior of the average Christian than the terrorist activities of extremist Muslims is of the average Muslim. So those of you that think this video is evidence of the moral bankruptcy and hypocrisy of all Christians are very much mistaken
July 13th, 2007 at 5:29 pmWho are these Christian idiots? There are taking us back to the middle ages.
July 13th, 2007 at 5:29 pm“Ratified unanimously in 1797 by the Senate, Article 11 states: ‘As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion’ ”
July 13th, 2007 at 5:32 pm
link: http://www.stephenjaygould.org/ctrl/treaty_tripoli.html
July 13th, 2007 at 5:34 pmWhen the Pledge of Allegiance stated, “One nation under God,” they didn’t specify WHICH ONE! Besides …
Historical Fact states the following: “In New York City on April 22, 1951, the Board of Directors of the Knights of Columbus adopted a resolution to amend their recitation of Pledge of Allegiance at the opening of each of the meetings of the 800 Fourth Degree Assemblies of the Knights of Columbus by addition of the words “under God” after the words “one nation.” In the following two years, the idea spread throughout Knights of Columbus organizations nationwide. On August 21, 1952, the Supreme Council of the Knights of Columbus at its annual meeting adopted a resolution urging that the change be made universal and copies of this resolution were sent to the President, the Vice President (as Presiding Officer of the Senate) and the Speaker of the House of Representatives. The National Fraternal Congress meeting in Boston on September 24, 1952, adopted a similar resolution upon the recommendation of its President, Supreme Knight Luke E. Hart. Several State Fraternal Congresses acted likewise almost immediately thereafter. This campaign led to several official attempts to prompt Congress to adopt the Knights of Columbus’ policy for the entire nation. These attempts failed.”
So there you have it. So much for “freedom of religion” in this country.
July 13th, 2007 at 5:36 pmI dont believe this. As an American we should have the right to practice our religions freely “..Land of the free, and the home of the brave!”. Not only am I ashamed for myself, but im also ashamed for the United States Government for being forced to recognize those insane Christian extremists US citizens. I understand that they strongly believe in their religion, but why the hell should it bother them that some one else is practicing theirs? I dont know anymore. This totally pisses me off.
July 13th, 2007 at 5:37 pmAll you religious zealot freaks can all go die in a fire for all I care. Especially you “THE KING!!!”, “CT”, “PiP”, etc. You know who you are. You’re the ones with the caps lock key stuck.
As was mentioned by some of the more educated people, your pitiful sheep lord is nothing more than a figment of your weak-minded imagination.
July 13th, 2007 at 5:49 pmWHITE POWER IN AMERICA! THAT IS THE TRUE WAY!
July 13th, 2007 at 6:04 pmI am christian, and I can’t remember ever being taught intolerance at chuch. I don’t know when America stopped being a place that people fled to for religious freedom, and became a place of religious bigotry and hatred.
July 13th, 2007 at 6:07 pmWell good for them, we don’t need any of that in this country nor do we need Buck Fush,Elliot Moore or any other person that agrees with their stupidity :) I hope that one day before it is too late, that you will know the truth
July 13th, 2007 at 6:07 pmI hope to the dear lord god Jesus son of Mary and Joseph that we bomb whatever country that negro is from. China or Australia or whatever. America is the biggest country in the world for a reason! America is the richest for a reason! America is smartest for a reason! Other countries like Rome and Norway need to know this!
July 13th, 2007 at 6:10 pmI thank that we don’t have strong christian “high morale” here in scandinavia. Thankfully we have lover crime / corruption rates than in countries, where christianity is strong like US or european catholic countries.
July 13th, 2007 at 6:15 pmVoice or no voice, the people can alway be brought to the bidding of the leaders. This is easy. All you have to do is tell them that they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for a lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in every country. Clearly this man giving this pagan speech is telling his country the coorinates to bomb America and make us ripe for a takeover by the communists and the Jews
July 13th, 2007 at 6:16 pmWhat is wrong with these people? Do any of you care anymore that the basic precepts for the formation of this country are being annhilated? It doesn’t matter whether you agree with his faith or not; the beauty of living in America is that we are all entitled to our own beliefs and our own Gods. You shouldn’t mock someone because you don’t agree with them, and you shouldn’t invalidate their view point because of your bigotry. If you want to do that then you’re not an American and you are most definately not a patriot. In fact, you’re nothing more than a domestic terrorist .
July 13th, 2007 at 6:17 pmWhat a joke. When will the american people and the american government stand up and take back what their country was founded on. Take back what they always claim to hold dear and stand up for. I see nothing but hypocrites running the “great country”.
July 13th, 2007 at 6:18 pmThis is America not the new republic of India. How would they feel if Christians chanted the Lords Prayer in their government sessions? I am for one tired of other cultures imposing their religion on American citizens. This country was founded on Christian principles and that’s they way it will stay. If they don’t like it then go back to India.
July 13th, 2007 at 6:18 pmThe Hindu was incredibly polite about being interrupted; Those Christians could learn a lesson or two from him.
July 13th, 2007 at 6:19 pmAlright I read some of these comments and i have to say..
I AM DISAPPOINTED AT THE PEOPLE WHO INTERUPTED THE GUEST CHAPLIN. They are not christian, they are the “I’m a christian look at me look at me, love me love me, if you dont you die, cause im a christian” people, they are not real christians, they do not believe in Jesus Christ, they believe in attention.
Now the comments.. I am severly disappointed in the attacks written in these comments on both sides of the fence.
The left attacks the right, and expects no retaliation? and vice versa. As far as I see it, and this is coming from a Hardcore Conservative Republican, Do what you want as long as you don’t harm others. You want to be addicted to crack then you do that, but dont steal or kill for crack, you want to date 90 year old women then go ahead as long as they like to date you, you like women or men, then go ahead, just don’t make out in public(thats for alll people) Yuo dont like black people, then ok, just dont harrass or attack them, you dont like white people dont harrass or attack them.
July 13th, 2007 at 6:24 pmReligion has NO place in politics.
Hindu, Christian, whatever the religion is, it has NO place in politics.
July 13th, 2007 at 6:25 pmLoL .. some good points here, and some ridiculous posts intended to stir people up… The bottom line is, some jackass(es) with no business interrupting decided to cause trouble. Given the little stir this has made for no reason, I’m dying to see a Wiccan speak. This is truely a pointless debate, but damn good television. :)
July 13th, 2007 at 6:30 pm“How would they feel if Christians chanted the Lords Prayer in their government sessions? I am for one tired of other cultures imposing their religion on American citizens. This country was founded on Christian principles”
They didn’t impose anything, infact Christians I find impose their religion that most. America was also founded on freedoms, clearly, this isn’t the same america that it once was. This is infact, turning into an elitest country of cowboy hat wearing, oil hungry, bible thumping hypocrites.
And I’m sure a Christian payer in an Indian government session would be fine, and treated with a shit load more courtesy then what the jerks did in the above vid.
July 13th, 2007 at 6:30 pmI is sad…… so many diferent veiw points from so many diferent people and not one nice word from any.
July 13th, 2007 at 6:38 pmAll foreigners go back where you came from.
July 13th, 2007 at 6:39 pmTo clear up some misconceptions:
There are NOT 3000 Gods in the Hindu religion; these are just various manifestations/representations of one-divine being.
India is about 7 to 10% Christian, and the Indian parliament would/does allow Christian prayers (along with Muslim, Sikh, Buddhist, etc.) to be said before sessions; all of these individuals are part of the social fabric as well, and as in every equitable democracy, they are entitled to represent their beliefs.
What the priest said was not even a Hindu prayer, but just a general inspirational word about “God”, in a very non-denominational way. In the end, we are all praying to the same divine being (one who happens, by the way, not appreciate bigotry).
For all the Christians out there, please understand the most people of other religions realize that 99% of you are wonderful, tolerant people, and that bigots like the protesters (and some on this page) do not represent the majority.
July 13th, 2007 at 6:39 pmman, there sure is some ignorant people here today !
does freedom of religion without fear of persecution ring a bell to anyone ?
July 13th, 2007 at 6:40 pmtell me where it states “only if you’re a christian”
or where all you bible thumpers spending to much time in the fiction section reading “the good book” to actually know what the constitution really says
christians sure have set a good example of forgiveness and understanding, not !
your hypocrisy is so astounding it’s amazing !
Religion is the opiate of the masses
July 13th, 2007 at 6:42 pmWho cares this video is better
July 13th, 2007 at 6:44 pm
Please stop wasting our tax funded work hours on hoo doo mumbo-jumbo rituals. Get back to work.
July 13th, 2007 at 6:54 pmtypo :atheist
July 13th, 2007 at 6:55 pmamerican christians are pigs…please give yourselves a shotgun mouthwash.
July 13th, 2007 at 7:01 pmOh Goddess, Kali!
Nail this vulgar and false god Jesus to his cross again and nail all of his followers to crosses of molten iron and toss them all into a violent, stormy sea forever!
July 13th, 2007 at 7:15 pmThe beginning of the end of christianity… Thank god!
July 13th, 2007 at 7:19 pmNo respect whatsoever! Filthy Christians they should all be burned as torches…Nero had the right idea in my opinion.
July 13th, 2007 at 7:21 pmI feel freedom is what America stands for. I also believe America is a country founded under God, there is only one God, not some idol. Anyone one who reads the holy bible knows there is one God and his son Jesus and the holy spirit, trinity. Any other are fakes, false prophets. That is my belief and I would have been right with em. This is America, take your hiba jiba hindu crap and blow, hopefully right out of our country.
July 13th, 2007 at 7:28 pmSeparation of church and state. NO praying in any governmental institution! Or you represent all religions, and non-religions, but that would be disaster, so no representation means equal representation.
July 13th, 2007 at 7:30 pmI can’t imagine that happening in any other country in the world. No wonder the rest of the world looks down on America.
July 13th, 2007 at 7:50 pmThe whole thing was a set up. The family of “christians” involved are members of Operation Save America. You can verify this by going to OSA’s website and reading the article on there. The website is http://www.operationsaveamerica.com. They weren’t just hanging out in Congress by chance. They had advance warning from someone a Hindu was going to pray. They went there to cause a scene and get attention. The entire OSA group is nothing but a racist, homophobic, anti-Semitic, christian supremist group. Last year in Jackson Mississippi during one of their “anti-abortion” protest they tore up copy of the Koran and a gay pride flag and burned them. Apparently burning a Koran and pride flag is the best way to stop abortions. OSA has a picture of the father involved of the incident in Congress in Jackson during the protest. OSA members have also protested the Phelps who protest soldiers’ funerals. The reason for OSA protesting the Phelps? They said they weren’t homophobic enough because the Phelps accepted help from the ACLU with a lawsuit. This can also be verified on OSA’s website. Again this was all a set up to get attention.
July 13th, 2007 at 8:18 pmNo. It was Christian leftists, you boobs.
July 13th, 2007 at 8:21 pmThe blame for this falls squarely on whomever invited this idolator and Christ-denier to deliver the morning convocation. What an abomination! I’m glad there was someone to speak against this.
July 13th, 2007 at 8:24 pmamerican taliban.
america was founded to be a sectarian, non-christian country. i don’t know how it has mutated into this christian beast, trying to suffocate everything that’s not white, protestant, pro-war, pro-life, and heterosexual.
July 13th, 2007 at 8:30 pmprofmarcus said it so well… I’m not even religious, or indian, and this offends me on so many levels… we like to point fingers at other religions and say they are disrespectful of our culture… but in my eyes, they SHOULD be disrespectful when we allow crap like that!
July 13th, 2007 at 8:33 pmThis is absolutely ridiculous.
Hindu, Christian, Jew, Muslim, Taoist… whatever. Let it be known; the true god of the universe Frebirtshtikle.
Now do a head-stand and pray to the almighty Frebirtshtikle.
Yours in Frebirtshtikle,
Note: You want proof? An anagram of Mohammed – Jesus – Vishnu spells out “Head Jive Mush Summons”. So there!
July 13th, 2007 at 9:47 pmWow, I am a little ashamed for a few of my fellow countrymen. If any Hindu’s are reading this..let it be known…these words are the words of a few cowards. THIS IS NOT THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE OF THIS NATION. One love.
July 13th, 2007 at 10:23 pmReligion IS a license to discriminate. Those people can knock themselves out arguing about it for all I care!
July 13th, 2007 at 10:33 pmThose are “Christianists” — Dangerous Christian Terrorists (i.e. George W Bush, Dick Cheney, etc.)…
July 13th, 2007 at 10:36 pmTry to do that there. Someone will probably bring your head back if they can find it. To hell with non christians
July 13th, 2007 at 10:47 pmchristians are nasty creatures
July 13th, 2007 at 10:56 pmI’ve seen a lot of people post something to the effect that “Christians were imposing their views” in this situation. I find it interesting that a Hindu also imposed his views and every person who has posted a comment has imposed his/her views on the public. (Which I am also doing in posting this comment.) How easy to sit back and comment on something when few of us are ever brave enough to stand for what we believe in.
July 13th, 2007 at 11:18 pmI think we need to just leave Iraq, and give ourselves over to the Muslims. After all, Islam is our friend, and I’m sure it will be better for anyone to be killed by a Muslim than evangelized by nasty, patriarchal Christianity.
July 13th, 2007 at 11:27 pmDown with Democratic fascism and tolerant religious intolerance!
Christianity another symbol for paganism:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=928518742089256264&q=zeitgeist&total=706&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=1
July 13th, 2007 at 11:27 pmOh and not to be a pessimist but we shall definitely see WWIII before we have tolerance of other people’s beliefs.
July 13th, 2007 at 11:31 pmThe world is complex. People are complex. I am a Christian. I am appalled by what the haters did in the video. I do not agree with any of the “Christian” posters here. I am a Christian for personal reasons and I don’t need to convince any of you about anything. The world is complex. People are complex. The internet is full of black and white in a world that’s made up of a multitude of colors that the human eye can’t see.
July 13th, 2007 at 11:55 pmExcuse me for commenting, but this outrages me.
“This is America not India. We are blessed by God not Vishnu!!!
Comment by THE KING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ”
THE KING, while you have it in your head that God was the first ruler of North America, please let me show you that American was first “ruled” by the native american gods whose names are numerous and powerful.
I would suggest you check out http://www.godchecker.com/pantheon/native_american-mythology.php
As well, hinduism is not wrong or wicked. That’s just ignorance. You have no idea about buddhism, hinduism or judaism. Saying hinduism is wicked is nearly the same as the terrorists teaching their children to hate americans. Why do you hate hinduism/america? Because I don’t understand it. Ignorance is the key to your love. Remove ignorance, and you unlock the door. We study the Ancient Greeks, hell the romans. GUESS HOW MANY FREAKING GODS THEY HAD! INCESTUOUS, RAPIST, PEDOPHILIC GODS! THOUSANDS. Not just one god of the harvest, a goddess of wheats, a god of the cattle, etc. Numerous. And yet, we venerate the Romans and Greeks. What the hell makes Hinduism evil and corrupt? And you can’t say 3000 Gods. We got fucking Democracy from the Greeks, the same ones who had a God that fathered his own sister, the same ones who slept with humans and thought nothing of killing the child.
For instance, you probably don’t realize that muslim belief stems from the fount of Abraham, as does Judaism, and Christianity. Each of these religions can be traced to Abraham as the commonality point.
Run along to the sanctuaries in your own downtrodden sh*t hole countries you hindu/muslamoid/etc. bums.
Comment by CT_V1 — July 12, 2007 @ 5:48 pm
And America’s the country of tolerance?? An ethnic melting pot? What pot has a strainer at the bottom that removes the “impure”, “muslamoids”, and bums? What kind of tolerance are you teaching your children? You’re no better than a nazi, preaching that if you’re not white and christian, you’re worth shit! How dare you.
As for those of you who call these Christians fanatics, rude. Picking on one or the other religion does not make you a saviour in on or the others eyes. It’s makes you a rude asshole.
July 13th, 2007 at 11:59 pmThis is obviously a left wing website to begin with. The comments made just show me how you leftists who preach AGAINST intolerance and narrow-mindedness are by far the most intolerant, narrow-minded people on the planet. Its clear as day to me that whaty you preach isnt for the “common good” or the “betterment of mankind” that Marx and Lenin advocated, its more Stalinist than Marxists. Nevertheless Marx did say that “religion of the opiate of the masses” and Stalin did outlaw religion in the Soviet Union. Like the good communists that you are any im sure most of you believe that western religion such as Judeo-Christian principles need to be scorned and mocked whenever given the change. Ill be the first person to admit our nations founders werent a bunch of fundamental Christians, they were more deist than anything. However, they understood that some extremely basic moral guideliness were necessary to lead our country. Also, it sounds funny to me that this so-called “prayer” more much more new age oriented than Hindu. If this guy was a true Hindy than I got a bridge to sell you. But then again any discourse or debate among true leftists is a waste of time. Im sorry but as much as most of you would like to see all Christians thrown into a gulag its going to be kind of hard. I have a feeling that we on the “radical right wing” are the ones with the guns and unlike you moron pacifists-we actaully believe in fighting for our beliefs.
July 14th, 2007 at 12:08 amLets not forget everyone, these are just a couple of Christians, I do not think we (being Atheists/Agnostics or others) would like it if we based the whole idea on the actions of a couple of people. I’m pretty sure most modern Christians would be appalled by this video and would always make sure to respect the beliefs of another religion.
July 14th, 2007 at 12:19 amI am a pastor at my local church, and would like to state that these people do not represent the whole of christianity.
While I believe that Jesus is the messiah of the one true god, I follow the teachings of jesus’s tolerance towards others. And, many of you seem to think that worshiping another god makes someone evil, when in fact during the three days after Christ’s death on the cross he ventured into limbo to save the good people that had yet to be saved from their orignal sin.
Also keep in mind that jesus was a jewish man of arabian descent, and wass in fact at one point a respected rabi.
Even though many people in this message system think that these people represent christianity and in response insult the entire religion, all of the inflamatory remarks by christians are insulting to jesus’s sacrifice.
Remember “turn the other cheek” and “love the sinner, hate only the sin.”
July 14th, 2007 at 12:25 amThere will be floods of KKKhristian blood in the streets before I let this nation become anything but a secular one.
The KKKhristian Reich wants to claim this is a KKKhristian nation. It is a secular one.
And I will put a bullet in the head of anybody who has the desire and potential power to make it so.
July 14th, 2007 at 12:40 amThe Holy Father doesn’t think much of any church but his.
The Vatican said on Tuesday Christian denominations outside Roman Catholicism were not full churches of Jesus Christ…… Unless, of course, they start sending me their monthly payments…
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The hypocrisy in the way modern Christianity is practiced is dumbfounding and tragic.
Justice in Christianity is between man and God, not man and man.
It was the Old Testament who proclaimed an eye for an eye, but I don’t see Jews going around smiting down Hindus the way Christians do.
In the New Testament, the foundation of Christianity, Jesus asks us to love each other and care for each other. Only through faith in God’s justice, and by loving your fellow man will you achieve your salvation. Smiting down someone because you believe they’re a sinner will condemn you–because it shows you do not truly believe in God’s power and justice. Another man’s sins are between him and God, and it is only for God to judge, not for you. We are all flawed in some way, all sinners.
Do not forget that Jesus sat with sinners. He invited them to him.
July 14th, 2007 at 2:01 amSo we should tolerate our fellow man’s beliefs, whether or not you believe in the Christian incarnation of one true God. If He has a plan for everyone, perhaps we can learn something even from a Hindu.
When looking at this thread of arguments, one thought comes to mind. . “Fundies” and “Lefties”, arguing on the Internet is like competing in the Special Olympics. Even if you win, you’re still a retard. I’m looking at you, Mister “THE KING(hold down shift-1 for 5 seconds)”. I can say this though, I think the lefties will be in control of the government for some time to come. Many poor republicans are going to be sore at the GOP for a presidential term or two for sending their children over to war to die in the name of Halliburton and the Carlyle Group.
Oh and Fundies, keep sending those checks off to Benny Hinn so he can buy ANOTHER corporate jet, gold plated this time, to fly around in. Jesus walked from town to town to spread his message of love and tolerance, but he was a communist hippy. . you know free love and all that. As far as Benny is concerned, Jesus can go to Hell for all he cares, just as long as he doesn’t actually have to work for a living and he gets his jet.
July 14th, 2007 at 2:18 amI find it funny how people claim that us “foreigners” are ruining America… who was living in the US 1,000 years ago?
It was far from anyone that was “white”… yes, it was the Native Americans… so whenever you feel the urge to tell someone to go back to their country.. realize, that your roots aren’t originally from America…
Pure fucking ignorance
July 14th, 2007 at 2:31 amAmerica the Rome of the third millennium, what they are doing is nothing more than Neo-hellenism.
July 14th, 2007 at 2:50 amlol, so much mud-slinging and for what? I’m not sure how anyone can agree with that vitriolic outburst on the Senate floor. And what’s with this “go back to your own country,” it’s pretty insulting when someone doesn’t consider you an American. but of course for some people, the only true Americans are pale-skinned Christians who vote Republican.
July 14th, 2007 at 3:43 amPraise God someone has the courage to stand up and speak out for the one and true Lord Jesus Christ. ::Amen::
July 14th, 2007 at 3:56 amwhy can’t a “Prayer” be “prayed” by a person of another faith?
July 14th, 2007 at 6:04 amIt’s only a “Prayer”…
The Indian fellow doesn’t look like he wears stockings, cheats on his wife, or offers to blow undercover police officers by offering them money
May we pray to god that there is a cure for this…
Jesus Christ is the only LORD .
July 14th, 2007 at 8:06 amWell done. Keep the demonic religions out of your country
July 14th, 2007 at 9:04 amThis is what happen when you force multiculturalism, Why was a hindu saying the prayer anyway?
July 14th, 2007 at 11:19 amthat was revolting. even as a Christian, i can’t believe how these extremists act. this is an outrage to our religion.
July 14th, 2007 at 11:57 amI’ve been studying dog training recently. Not to denigrate dogs by implying that right wing zealots have anywhere near their capacity for intelligent response, but one of the consistent principles is that it’s a mistake to reinforce bad behavior with any sort of attention. Even negative attention feeds the behavior. I suggest that those of us with a functional brain talk amongst ourselves and disregard the drivel.
July 14th, 2007 at 12:02 pmTo every person claiming to represent Christianity’s view on this subject (or any other subject):
Why don’t you stop fretting about what everyone else is doing and just concentrate on the shortcomings in your own life?
It never ceases to amaze me how hypocritical proselytizing Christians can be. They think they know everything, from how the entire Universe is supposed to work to the ‘correct’ way to have sex (or not).
Good Christians are supposed to be obedient and decidedly not free-thinking, so I don’t understand why they think they can judge others in the name of God.
I’m no expert on Christianity, but I’m pretty sure God is the only true ‘Decider’; not you, not Jerry Falwell, not George W. Bush.
Religious tolerance is an oxymoron when espoused by today’s American Christian, yet it means something entirely different (and legitimate) when spoken by the rest of us.
July 14th, 2007 at 12:03 pmIt doesn’t make sense that any sort of prayer is offered in a government forum, but this is the first time I’ve felt a little proud of that ritual. And I think the outburst of hatred has served to catalyze all thinking, open-minded people to put differences between themselves aside and stand together in defense of tolerance, freedom of speech and respect for one another. The protesters couldn’t have done more of a service to the cause of civil liberties.
July 14th, 2007 at 12:09 pmWhile it’s disgusting that there were protesters during this, it could have been much worse. Look at Iran, where anyone who is not islamic is executed or shot on sight.
At least these christian extremists weren’t holding shotguns.
July 14th, 2007 at 12:34 pmThis is what happen when you force multiculturalism, Why was a hindu saying the prayer anyway?
Comment by steve
What a Fascist thing to say.
July 14th, 2007 at 12:42 pmwow this (the video and some of the comments) was shocking and depressing. let’s just say i’m very glad i live in Canada.
July 14th, 2007 at 1:06 pmAt least these christian extremists weren’t holding shotguns.
Comment by Goobersnotch — July 14, 2007 @ 12:34 pm
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Exactly!
And that is what separates us from the barbarians!
July 14th, 2007 at 1:08 pmIf they had been allowed to bring shotguns, I’ll bet some would.
Religious extremists of any flavor will stop at nothing to insist and impose their beliefs on the rest of us, whatever the cost (read: abortion clinic bombs, which are Christian terrorists born and raised in this country attacking fellow Americans.)
Their fanaticism supersedes their faith.
July 14th, 2007 at 1:15 pmIf you are a Christian, Muslim, Hindu, or even an Atheist… you should still respect others and their beliefs. gosh….
July 14th, 2007 at 1:22 pmRead your damn constitution you mental midgets who are claiming to have “one nation under God”.
It’s nowhere in there…
The only references to Catholic Theism come on your money and your stupid pledge of allegiance.
These things go against your own constitution to a degree. The funny thing is I saw a digg post to a survey showing a high percentage of Americans find their constitution to be relevant.
How is it relevant if you would prefer to trample over people’s right to freedom of religion.
July 14th, 2007 at 2:26 pmI am stunned by the immense degree of ignorance displayed here by the right-wingers with regard to the SanÄtana Dharma (which Westerners call “Hinduism”) which is an all-inclusive religion whose numerous “gods” and “goddesses” are understood to simply be all the different expressions and manifestation of the One And Only God – and as such, they consider every single religion to be part of the SanÄtana Dharma. They basically don’t function on an “us and them” level, they function on a collective “we” level. I must say that, compared to them, Christianity is a very primitive, simplistic, and limited religion.
July 14th, 2007 at 4:05 pmIt’s things like this that give atheists and other religions a reason to hate Christians. They spread their slanderous propaganda whenever they can, even when it directly impedes on other people’s religions.
July 14th, 2007 at 7:15 pm“Their fanaticism supersedes their faith.”
Exactly! They are a dangerous group…from such ones came the Inquisitions, etc.
July 14th, 2007 at 8:00 pmI think all humans are intricate beautiful and amazing creatures, regardless of belief.
July 14th, 2007 at 8:50 pmomg this is terrible
July 14th, 2007 at 9:34 pmthis is exactly what
shouldnt be goin on
I would simply like to say that standing before the Senate and requesting the forgiveness of our one true heavenly Father for allowing a non-christian individual to invoke the blessings of a pagan god took more faith and boldness than most any of us have ever shown. And to the three who stood for their beliefs and those of the founding fathers of this great country we call our home, I would like to say “well done”.
Many individuals would like to forget that this country was founded on the Gospel of Jesus Christ and the very Word of God. In doing so, they would allow the wrath of God to be released on this great country. God is real, and His anger is as real as His love. Which would you invoke?
I believe we are intelligent enough to look to the past and realize that we have an obligation and a duty to uphold the beliefs which brought our founding fathers to this land. After all, wasn’t the reason they came here so that they could worship as they chose, and live godly, moral lives without fear of persecution?
The hindu also have that right, yet their country of India doesn’t seem to be too “blessed” (poverty and war prevailing). Have they been praying to the right gods? Do their many gods not see the needs and moral dilemmas they face? Why do they not answer? And why do so many of them choose to live in our country?
Why would we choose to persecute ourselves in the same manner in which they’ve persecuted themselves by allowing the worship of pagan gods in our own senate? The commandment “Thou shalt have no other gods before me” is pretty straight forward. I am assured that our founding fathers knew this and took it to heart and chose to acknowledge the one true God so as to live in the blessings of God. I believe we have an obligation to do the same.
July 15th, 2007 at 12:06 pmMaybe separation of church and state had something there. Why are politicians allowed to pray but our school children can’t? Perhaps we should all be required to start off the day with many different religious rites in a multitude of languages, that way we could be like the politicians and get nothing of importance finished.
July 15th, 2007 at 1:52 pmIt is reassuring to know that there are those amoung us whose righteousness
July 15th, 2007 at 2:13 pmexceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees.
this is a reply to Amy
are you freaking serious ?
according to you america is a rich prosperous country thanks to all “the christians” … but india is poor because they believe in the wrong good
amy wrote
“The hindu also have that right, yet their country of India doesn’t seem to be too “blessed†(poverty and war prevailing). Have they been praying to the right gods? Do their many gods not see the needs and moral dilemmas they face? Why do they not answer? And why do so many of them choose to live in our country”
and what of the poverty and crimes here in america .. i suppose you blame that on none christians and non-believers, huh ?
and you contradict yourself
“After all, wasn’t the reason they came here so that they could worship as they chose, and live godly, moral lives without fear of persecution?”
that’s exactly what this country was founded on but here you are persecuting a hindu because his beliefs aren’t the same as yours
is it not possible to be moral and a non-christian ?
you maam are nothing more the the typical hypocratical christian, that in my opinion, is the bane of society
July 15th, 2007 at 7:09 pmbloody hell – When all other religion get hyper its fundementalist – but Christians can’t be fundementalist – they’re Christian right – funny when the word “fundementalism” was associated with the conquistadors initially.
and Amy darling -
don’t talk rubbish – get your facts right.
July 15th, 2007 at 10:01 pmI miss the good old days when Christians loved people. I guess I’m just old fashioned.
July 16th, 2007 at 1:19 amWasn’t this country founded by criminals? The God thing was just a smokescreen. Argh, Here I go getting opinionated.
These Christians in particular are attempting to impose the very oppression the Pope imposed on theirs and our “forefathers” oh-so-many years ago.
July 16th, 2007 at 1:24 amI promise this will be the last one since it’s off topic. I saw some comments on abortion and good ole fashion conservative beliefs. I guess my major concern is how can you be anti-abortion while at the same time be pro-war? Seems a little odd don’t you think?
I mean, if you don’t like seeing babies die then well, maybe you shouldn’t vote to have babies die.
July 16th, 2007 at 1:28 am#498: Interesting you bring up the Treaty of Tripoli… The key part is this:
“As the government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion or tranquility of Musselmen [Muslims] … it is declared … that no pretext arising from religious opinion shall ever product an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries….
“The United States is not a Christian nation any more than it is a Jewish or a Mohammedan nation.”
– Treaty of Tripoli (1797), carried unanimously by the Senate and signed into law by John Adams
July 16th, 2007 at 4:47 pmJohn Adams, Oct. 11, 1798
“We have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion. Avarice, ambition, revenge, or gallantry, would break the strongest cords of our Constitution as a whale goes through a net. Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.”
July 16th, 2007 at 9:55 pmNoah Webster
(The father of public education in America)
He declared government was responsible to:
“Discipline our youth in early life in sound maxims of moral, political, and religious duties.”
“Education is useless without the Bible.”
“The Bible was America’s basic text book in all fields.”
“God’s Word, contained in the Bible, has furnished all necessary rules to direct our conduct.”
“In my view, the Christian religion is the most important and one of the first things in which all children, under a free government ought to be instructed….No truth is more evident to my mind than that the Christian religion must be the basis of any government intended to secure the rights and privileges of a free people.”
July 16th, 2007 at 9:57 pmPatrick Henry
March 23, 1775
“Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased a the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!”
“It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great nation was founded, not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religions, but on the Gospel of Jesus Christ. For this very reason peoples of other faiths have been afforded asylum, prosperity, and freedom of worship here.”
“The Bible is worth all other books which have ever been printed.”
“Bad men cannot make good citizens. A vitiated state of morals, a corrupted public conscience are incompatible with freedom.”
“It is when people forget God that tyrants forge their chains.”
“The great object is that every man be armed. Everyone who is able may have a gun.”
July 16th, 2007 at 9:57 pmJames Madison
(Architect of the U.S. Constitution & Co-Author of the Federalist Papers)
“There are more instances of the abridgement of the freedom of the of the people by the gradual and silent encroachment of those in power, than by violent an sudden usurpation.”
“[It] is indispensable that some provision should be made for defending the Community agst [against] the incapicity, negligence or perfidy of the chief Magistrate.”
From his notes
Note: Perfidy is defined as “The quality or state of being faithless or disloyal.”
“Cursed be all that learning that is contrary to the cross of Christ.”
“Religion [is] the basis and Foundation of Government.”
“It is the duty of every man to render to the Creator such homage….Before any man can be considered as a member of Civil Society, he must be considered as a subject of the Governor of the Universe.”
“We have staked the whole future of American civilization, not upon the power of government, far from it. We have staked the future of all of our political institutions upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves, to control ourselves, to sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God.”
July 16th, 2007 at 10:01 pmAmazingly these are all direct quotes from the founding fathers of this great country we all like to call home. Seems to me they were far more “religious” than many folks choose to remember, and for good reason, they new the power of God and they knew His word.
My “they” in the following quote was albeit not as clear as I had hoped, but was not a contradiction either, in that “they” was a direct reference to our founding fathers, and the original families who chose this country as their home, not as you would imply, the hindu who have since come to join us here.
[and you contradict yourself
“After all, wasn’t the reason they came here so that they could worship as they chose, and live godly, moral lives without fear of persecution?â€]
The facts speak for themselves to those who have ears to hear and eyes to see.
July 16th, 2007 at 10:12 pmSeems the word “Fundamentalist” it may also be associated with, guess who! Christians!
Fundamentalist Christianity, or Christian fundamentalism, is a movement that arose mainly within British and American Protestantism in the late 19th and early 20th centuries by conservative evangelical Christians, who, in a reaction to modernism, actively affirmed a fundamental set of Christian beliefs: the inerrancy of the Bible, Sola Scriptura, the virgin birth of Christ, the doctrine of substitutionary atonement, the bodily resurrection of Jesus, and the imminent return of Jesus Christ.
Would this have any bearing on what you were trying to say?
July 16th, 2007 at 10:29 pmThis question did peak my interest and I would like to pose my answer.
“I guess my major concern is how can you be anti-abortion while at the same time be pro-war? Seems a little odd don’t you think?”
Abortion is the taking of a human life without offering the human life in question any other option but death prior to birth.
However, war is the ends to a mean. Wars are fought to uphold beliefs where disputes arise over issues such as territory, sovereignty, resource, or ideology, and a peaceable resolution cannot be attained.
There is a vast difference between abortion and war.
July 16th, 2007 at 11:09 pmMay God give these people (spreading hatred) some sense and wisdom! These people act like Christian Muslims. Shame on democratic US.
I believe that any faith who does not respect any other faith is not a religion but a cult in the name of the religion. Putting faith on the side, should not we as a good human being suppose to respect each other?
Looking at what is happening in the US from last 6 years I have some questions:
July 16th, 2007 at 11:54 pmUS is run by the Christian terrorists (Tyrans) in the name of democracy and so called God. Christ never said to spread hatred and violance in His Name. What a shame? This is a Christian version of Islamo fascism.
Ex. 20:1-4
2 Chr. 7:14
Ps. 14:1
John 14:6
Acts 4:12
Rom. 3:23
Rom. 6:23
Rom. 10:9
Eph. 2:8-9
Any questions? contact me at tavy007 at yahoo dot com.
July 17th, 2007 at 10:58 amP.S. This has nothing to do with politics and everything to do with the Truth.
Funny, so many of you write about the founding fathers. Aren’t these the same founding fathers who killed and enslaved the natives of this land now called America? Driving them out of their homes and onto Reservations. Aren’t these the same founding fathers who claim “The Holy Land” as their own, regardless of the fact that there were others there before them? All in the name of “God”. Throughout history, the Christian faith has used the name of God to spill blood for their own economical gain. I am proud that I do not follow such a shallow greedy God.
July 17th, 2007 at 3:24 pmi believe anyone who spends more time reflecting up others flaws, based soley on a biased point of view, instead of striving to better ones self is a truely pathetic waste of life
amazingly the only people i’ve met that would fit in this group just happen to be … you guessed it … christians
July 17th, 2007 at 6:55 pmLife is very short. Some of us live to be 80, others longer, others shorter. Eternity will last for ever. The question is where will you spend eternity?
John 3:3
July 18th, 2007 at 11:25 amJohn 3:16-17
John 3:36
And this, the land that proclaims “Freedom of religion”? Freedom to force their religion on everyone else.
Be Peace and Love, in your World
July 18th, 2007 at 8:48 pmI guess Freedom of Religion applies if its Christianity only. Freedom? Tolerance? A thing of the past to them. THis is what happens when you focus on how other people are different rather than what makes us human. Instead of “Lord Jesus, forgive us father for allowing a prayer of the wicked, which is an abomination in your sight” I guess what they really meant to say was “conform or get out.”
July 20th, 2007 at 10:36 amThis seems so pathetically sad. It doesn’t seem that it can be true that all christians are judgmental, close-minded, mean-spirited people who apparently are compelled to babble their beliefs whenever there’s a space left to cram the words in. I don’t really care what anyone believes, whether it’s religious superstition or elves in their glovebox, but it seems that this group of people in particular strives to be as annoying and intrusive as possible. Hardly anyone tries to get me to accept the great truth of the elves in the glovebox, and I do appreciate that.
July 20th, 2007 at 1:56 pmWhatever the beliefs of the folks that got this country going, the first amendment reads:
“CONGRESS shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof …” It doesn’t actually prohibit the practice of any religion, either on public or private land. Later, there were interpretations of law that were intended to move the government farther away from endorsing any religious activities, because of the completely understandable fear that people who don’t believe what the dominant group believes could end up being marginalized. Reading this thread makes it clear that that is a very realistic caution.
So back again to the question of why there is any sort of prayer at all allowed at the Senate’s morning invocation. People are sworn into office by the use of what is meaningful to them and Article VI of the constitution spells out that it can be religious or a non-religious affirmation. and that no religious test can be applied to candidates for public office. So why should the entire body of the Senate be subjected to any religious invocation at all? It seems that honoring the constitution and upholding the separation of church and state would resolve all of this.
I’m ashamed to think any politician I may have voted for would have allowed such an abomination. The good thing is that we who live for Christ know what’s happening here, and those who don’t are going to be crying for the rocks and mountains to fall on them when Jesus takes the Church home and they’re left behind to suffer the wrath of God on this sinful world! Even so, come quickly, Lord Jesus!
August 10th, 2007 at 12:58 amSo I wonder how dumb the zealots feel when they die and get to the pearly gates and St. Peter says “Dude, seriously, didn’t you read anything that Jesus spoke about with regard to loving thy neighbor? Just askin’. Well, since you seem to love all the fire and brimstone stuff, we got a special session for you downstairs. Lates.”
August 10th, 2007 at 1:43 pmMaybe this will get (all) prayer banned in congress.
August 17th, 2007 at 4:00 pm