Comments on: Christian right disrupts first Hindu prayer in the Senate.

By: Ben

Ben — Fri, 17 Aug 2007 20:00:42 +0000

Maybe this will get (all) prayer banned in congress.

By: Parrotlover77

Parrotlover77 — Fri, 10 Aug 2007 17:43:00 +0000

So I wonder how dumb the zealots feel when they die and get to the pearly gates and St. Peter says “Dude, seriously, didn’t you read anything that Jesus spoke about with regard to loving thy neighbor? Just askin’. Well, since you seem to love all the fire and brimstone stuff, we got a special session for you downstairs. Lates.”

By: Louise

Louise — Fri, 10 Aug 2007 04:58:53 +0000

I’m ashamed to think any politician I may have voted for would have allowed such an abomination. The good thing is that we who live for Christ know what’s happening here, and those who don’t are going to be crying for the rocks and mountains to fall on them when Jesus takes the Church home and they’re left behind to suffer the wrath of God on this sinful world! Even so, come quickly, Lord Jesus!

By: tinkonthebrink

tinkonthebrink — Fri, 20 Jul 2007 17:56:45 +0000

This seems so pathetically sad. It doesn’t seem that it can be true that all christians are judgmental, close-minded, mean-spirited people who apparently are compelled to babble their beliefs whenever there’s a space left to cram the words in. I don’t really care what anyone believes, whether it’s religious superstition or elves in their glovebox, but it seems that this group of people in particular strives to be as annoying and intrusive as possible. Hardly anyone tries to get me to accept the great truth of the elves in the glovebox, and I do appreciate that.
Whatever the beliefs of the folks that got this country going, the first amendment reads:
“CONGRESS shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof …” It doesn’t actually prohibit the practice of any religion, either on public or private land. Later, there were interpretations of law that were intended to move the government farther away from endorsing any religious activities, because of the completely understandable fear that people who don’t believe what the dominant group believes could end up being marginalized. Reading this thread makes it clear that that is a very realistic caution.
So back again to the question of why there is any sort of prayer at all allowed at the Senate’s morning invocation. People are sworn into office by the use of what is meaningful to them and Article VI of the constitution spells out that it can be religious or a non-religious affirmation. and that no religious test can be applied to candidates for public office. So why should the entire body of the Senate be subjected to any religious invocation at all? It seems that honoring the constitution and upholding the separation of church and state would resolve all of this.

By: Bill

Bill — Fri, 20 Jul 2007 14:36:54 +0000

I guess Freedom of Religion applies if its Christianity only. Freedom? Tolerance? A thing of the past to them. THis is what happens when you focus on how other people are different rather than what makes us human. Instead of “Lord Jesus, forgive us father for allowing a prayer of the wicked, which is an abomination in your sight” I guess what they really meant to say was “conform or get out.”

By: Stuart

Stuart — Thu, 19 Jul 2007 00:48:04 +0000

And this, the land that proclaims “Freedom of religion”? Freedom to force their religion on everyone else.

Be Peace and Love, in your World

By: marty martinez

marty martinez — Wed, 18 Jul 2007 15:25:28 +0000

Life is very short. Some of us live to be 80, others longer, others shorter. Eternity will last for ever. The question is where will you spend eternity?

John 3:3
John 3:16-17
John 3:36

By: mike

mike — Tue, 17 Jul 2007 22:55:23 +0000

i believe anyone who spends more time reflecting up others flaws, based soley on a biased point of view, instead of striving to better ones self is a truely pathetic waste of life

amazingly the only people i’ve met that would fit in this group just happen to be … you guessed it … christians

By: Savvy

Savvy — Tue, 17 Jul 2007 19:24:20 +0000

Funny, so many of you write about the founding fathers. Aren’t these the same founding fathers who killed and enslaved the natives of this land now called America? Driving them out of their homes and onto Reservations. Aren’t these the same founding fathers who claim “The Holy Land” as their own, regardless of the fact that there were others there before them? All in the name of “God”. Throughout history, the Christian faith has used the name of God to spill blood for their own economical gain. I am proud that I do not follow such a shallow greedy God.

By: marty martinez

marty martinez — Tue, 17 Jul 2007 14:58:32 +0000

Ex. 20:1-4

2 Chr. 7:14

Ps. 14:1

John 14:6

Acts 4:12

Rom. 3:23

Rom. 6:23

Rom. 10:9

Eph. 2:8-9

Any questions? contact me at tavy007 at yahoo dot com.
P.S. This has nothing to do with politics and everything to do with the Truth.

By: human825

human825 — Tue, 17 Jul 2007 03:54:17 +0000

May God give these people (spreading hatred) some sense and wisdom! These people act like Christian Muslims. Shame on democratic US.
I believe that any faith who does not respect any other faith is not a religion but a cult in the name of the religion. Putting faith on the side, should not we as a good human being suppose to respect each other?

Looking at what is happening in the US from last 6 years I have some questions:
US is run by the Christian terrorists (Tyrans) in the name of democracy and so called God. Christ never said to spread hatred and violance in His Name. What a shame? This is a Christian version of Islamo fascism.

By: Amy

Amy — Tue, 17 Jul 2007 03:09:06 +0000

This question did peak my interest and I would like to pose my answer.

“I guess my major concern is how can you be anti-abortion while at the same time be pro-war? Seems a little odd donâ€™t you think?”

Abortion is the taking of a human life without offering the human life in question any other option but death prior to birth.

However, war is the ends to a mean. Wars are fought to uphold beliefs where disputes arise over issues such as territory, sovereignty, resource, or ideology, and a peaceable resolution cannot be attained.

There is a vast difference between abortion and war.

By: Amy

Amy — Tue, 17 Jul 2007 02:29:40 +0000

Seems the word “Fundamentalist” it may also be associated with, guess who! Christians!

Fundamentalist Christianity, or Christian fundamentalism, is a movement that arose mainly within British and American Protestantism in the late 19th and early 20th centuries by conservative evangelical Christians, who, in a reaction to modernism, actively affirmed a fundamental set of Christian beliefs: the inerrancy of the Bible, Sola Scriptura, the virgin birth of Christ, the doctrine of substitutionary atonement, the bodily resurrection of Jesus, and the imminent return of Jesus Christ.

Would this have any bearing on what you were trying to say?

By: Amy

Amy — Tue, 17 Jul 2007 02:12:05 +0000

Amazingly these are all direct quotes from the founding fathers of this great country we all like to call home. Seems to me they were far more “religious” than many folks choose to remember, and for good reason, they new the power of God and they knew His word.

My “they” in the following quote was albeit not as clear as I had hoped, but was not a contradiction either, in that “they” was a direct reference to our founding fathers, and the original families who chose this country as their home, not as you would imply, the hindu who have since come to join us here.

[and you contradict yourself
â€œAfter all, wasnâ€™t the reason they came here so that they could worship as they chose, and live godly, moral lives without fear of persecution?â€]

The facts speak for themselves to those who have ears to hear and eyes to see.

By: Amy

Amy — Tue, 17 Jul 2007 02:01:05 +0000

James Madison

(Architect of the U.S. Constitution & Co-Author of the Federalist Papers)

“There are more instances of the abridgement of the freedom of the of the people by the gradual and silent encroachment of those in power, than by violent an sudden usurpation.”

“[It] is indispensable that some provision should be made for defending the Community agst [against] the incapicity, negligence or perfidy of the chief Magistrate.”

From his notes

Note: Perfidy is defined as “The quality or state of being faithless or disloyal.”

“Cursed be all that learning that is contrary to the cross of Christ.”

“Religion [is] the basis and Foundation of Government.”

“It is the duty of every man to render to the Creator such homage….Before any man can be considered as a member of Civil Society, he must be considered as a subject of the Governor of the Universe.”

“We have staked the whole future of American civilization, not upon the power of government, far from it. We have staked the future of all of our political institutions upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves, to control ourselves, to sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God.”

By: Amy

Amy — Tue, 17 Jul 2007 01:57:57 +0000

Patrick Henry

March 23, 1775

“Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased a the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!”

“It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great nation was founded, not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religions, but on the Gospel of Jesus Christ. For this very reason peoples of other faiths have been afforded asylum, prosperity, and freedom of worship here.”

“The Bible is worth all other books which have ever been printed.”

“Bad men cannot make good citizens. A vitiated state of morals, a corrupted public conscience are incompatible with freedom.”

“It is when people forget God that tyrants forge their chains.”

“The great object is that every man be armed. Everyone who is able may have a gun.”

By: Amy

Amy — Tue, 17 Jul 2007 01:57:10 +0000

Noah Webster

(The father of public education in America)

He declared government was responsible to:

“Discipline our youth in early life in sound maxims of moral, political, and religious duties.”

“Education is useless without the Bible.”

“The Bible was America’s basic text book in all fields.”

“God’s Word, contained in the Bible, has furnished all necessary rules to direct our conduct.”

“In my view, the Christian religion is the most important and one of the first things in which all children, under a free government ought to be instructed….No truth is more evident to my mind than that the Christian religion must be the basis of any government intended to secure the rights and privileges of a free people.”

By: Amy

Amy — Tue, 17 Jul 2007 01:55:41 +0000

John Adams, Oct. 11, 1798

“We have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion. Avarice, ambition, revenge, or gallantry, would break the strongest cords of our Constitution as a whale goes through a net. Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.”

By: Lotty

Lotty — Mon, 16 Jul 2007 20:47:41 +0000

#498: Interesting you bring up the Treaty of Tripoli… The key part is this:

“As the government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion or tranquility of Musselmen [Muslims] … it is declared … that no pretext arising from religious opinion shall ever product an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries….

“The United States is not a Christian nation any more than it is a Jewish or a Mohammedan nation.”

– Treaty of Tripoli (1797), carried unanimously by the Senate and signed into law by John Adams

By: londin

londin — Mon, 16 Jul 2007 05:28:50 +0000

I promise this will be the last one since it’s off topic. I saw some comments on abortion and good ole fashion conservative beliefs. I guess my major concern is how can you be anti-abortion while at the same time be pro-war? Seems a little odd don’t you think?

I mean, if you don’t like seeing babies die then well, maybe you shouldn’t vote to have babies die.