Firefighters: Giuliani Ditched 9/11 Body Recovery 24 Hours After Securing $230 Million In Buried Gold
Firefighters: Giuliani Ditched 9/11 Body Recovery 24 Hours After Securing $230 Million In Buried Gold
Former New York mayor Rudy Giuliani has regularly touted his leadership in the wake of 9/11 as one of his major selling points. A host of 9/11 responders have alleged, however, that Giuliani provided them with poor radios, misled them into working amidst toxic fumes, and most recently, hastily cleared out the rubble before bodies were all recovered.
Six weeks after 9/11, Giuliani abandoned efforts to recover remaining bodies and buckled to pressure from developers eager to “scoop” the rubble:
The fact is that the Mayor’s switch to a scoop-and-dump coincided with the removal of tens of millions of dollars of gold, silver and other assets of the Bank of Nova Scotia that were buried beneath what was once the towers. Once the money was out, Giuliani sided with the developers that opposed a lengthy recovery effort, and ordered the scoop-and-dump operation so they could proceed with redevelopment.
Yesterday, Harold Schaitberger of the International Association of Firefighters (IAFF) — the nation’s largest firefighters organization, consisting of 280,000 members — assailed Giuliani, detailing how the mayor ditched body-recovery efforts only 24 hours after recovering the $230 million in gold. “He found the gold on October 31, and on November 1 is when he issued the order to remove the firefighters from their recovery mode.” Watch it:
The IAFF has produced a video entitled “Rudy Giuliani: Urban Legend,” extensively documenting Giuliani’s negligence after 9/11, featuring “active and retired fire fighters, fire officers and families of the fallen speaking out about the ‘Real Rudy,’ his failed leadership and his disrespect for the recovery of those we lost.”
Already, the video has been attacked by the right wing as another form of “Swift Boating.” But as the Carpetbagger noted, “The comparison is ridiculous. The Swiftboat attackers were lying; the International Association of Fire Fighters aren’t.”
(HT: Crooks and Liars)
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Giuliani didn't care about the victims of Bush and Cheney's terror attack, he just wanted the gold!!!!
/TP Loney off
July 12th, 2007 at 6:43 pmshould've read :
/TP looney off
July 12th, 2007 at 6:44 pmand every day, more truth comes out about the fraud which is rudy giuliani.
So he was mayor when NYC was attacked. What a horrible day and even more horrible is that this guy has been using the deaths and injuries of so many people to gain political advantage. He's probably on the al qaida payroll!
I'm glad the real heroes are telling the truth. there's even more to the story...read on if you're interested:
"Giuliani vs. the Firefighters"
July 12th, 2007 at 6:45 pmhttp://www.populistamerica.com/giuliani_vs_the_firefighters
In order for this truth finding video about Rudy Giuliani to be considered "Swiftboating", it would have to be played 10 times per day for 3 months straight on the "Librul" media the way the Swift Boat Scumbags For Bush video was played on Sinclair media, Pax and Fox channels.
July 12th, 2007 at 6:46 pmHow dumb is Chris Matthews that he doesn't get what this guy is saying?
Didn't seem that complicated!
July 12th, 2007 at 6:50 pmGuiliani has dishonored those of us Americans who died on 9-11. In doing so he has dishonored all Americans. It is wrong to call this swiftboating. What the republicans did to Kerry was swiftboating. Because they were lying. These firefighters are telling the truth. They have more credibility because they are heroes than Guiliani who is trying to use the national tragedy of 9-11 as a spring board for this presidential candidacy. The victims of 9-11 and their families deserve answers and its high time that Guiliani come clean on why he never gave them the radios, didn't tell the rescue workers that they were coming back to work in an environment full of toxic fumes, and refused to let them dig for remains of 9-11 victims. What he did was immoral and this controversy should sink his campaign.
July 12th, 2007 at 6:51 pmomg i'm speechless
July 12th, 2007 at 6:55 pmChris is a little slow these days.
July 12th, 2007 at 6:56 pmThis is old news as it was talked about back east after the 9/11 attack. Nice to see someone speak up as the Rudy worshipers find out the Mayor was a low life. Yes no worries Bush and Cheney were notified and made sure the companies that had any valuables were taken care of first. When American find out the truth it will be worse then this. Don't think Bush/Cheney didn't know about the attack and took advantage of the opportunity to invade Iraq because Saddam was a weak leader and easy to take over his country. Americans can't even see what's right in their face. Bush/Cheney told American look the sky is falling and yes American believe it.
July 12th, 2007 at 6:57 pmRudy Giuliani will NEVER be honestly elected.
Defy him, stand up to him smear his face in facts, and boot him out of public life.
July 12th, 2007 at 6:57 pmKudos to the IAFF - they just gave Giuliani a sharp credible body blow that could trigger campaign reeling !
July 12th, 2007 at 6:57 pmThis is just another of the reasons I hope Giuliani wins the Repub nomination - He is a house of cards!
This nation will not elect an undistinguished former mayor with 3 marriages, kids who disavow him, organized crime figures as friends and associates, and no foreign policy experience.
The more people know about him, the less support he'll receive.
July 12th, 2007 at 6:58 pmJust following orders to cleanse the crime scene asap
July 12th, 2007 at 6:58 pmRAPE-PUBLIC-CAN MANTRA
1. Take credit for something you failed to stop
July 12th, 2007 at 6:58 pmOo... OOo... oo?
July 12th, 2007 at 7:00 pm"What the republicans did to Kerry was swiftboating. Because they were lying."
Comment by Probus
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And you know this how?....Just a feeling in your gut?
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Giuliani "...didn’t tell the rescue workers that they were coming back to work in an environment full of toxic fumes, and refused to let them dig for remains of 9-11 victims."
Comment by Probus
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Do you not see a contridiction here?
July 12th, 2007 at 7:00 pmLeave it to ethiclly devoid Rape-Public-Cans to cheer Rudy making 16 MILLION in blood money over the corpses of 9-11.
Heckuva job Rudy.
July 12th, 2007 at 7:00 pmRudy has my vote.
A Giuliani/Thompson ticket would be unbeatable.
July 12th, 2007 at 7:01 pmGuiliani is a parasite, feeding off other people.
July 12th, 2007 at 7:05 pmGod, yes please! a Giuliani/Thompson ticket
July 12th, 2007 at 7:06 pmA dress wearing right to lifer and a bloated windbag, please please let them be be the ticket, hahahahahahah
Do you not see a contridiction here?
Comment by Ringo the Gringo
No, we see someone who cannot spell worth a bush. Geez 7 yrs of high school and this is what you can give us?
July 12th, 2007 at 7:08 pmSo the wingdings are accusing the Left of "Swiftboating." Nice to have them admit that the "Swiftboat" *-holes were lying all along.
July 12th, 2007 at 7:08 pmshould’ve read :
/TP looney off
Comment by Ringo the Gringo — July 12, 2007 @ 6:44 pm
Wrong Ringo...it should've read: I'm a chimpy leg humper!
July 12th, 2007 at 7:09 pmWTC or WTF? Is Mercury in retrograde, what the hell is with the news today, Hindi prayers being interupted, Harriet Meires telling the Congress to go cheney themselves, drought in Cali, floods in Texas. I wish the rapture would happen so i don't have to mow my yard......
July 12th, 2007 at 7:10 pmRudy has my vote.
A Giuliani/Thompson ticket would be unbeatable.
Comment by Ringo the Gringo — July 12, 2007 @ 7:01 pm
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July 12th, 2007 at 7:11 pmCome on guys! Rudy did the right thing. It's all about profit. That's the American way. In God we Trust and all those things. Who cares about a few dead firefighters when there was gold to save!!
July 12th, 2007 at 7:11 pmPat, CLH, Chimpey leg humper, man that's pricelss..
July 12th, 2007 at 7:13 pm...cannot spell worth a bush...
ROTFLMFAO! THAT rocked! TOO funny!
Same goes for all these paid hack idiots. Look at every one of them. Dumb as a shrub. GOP is pretty desperate these days!
(Heard a rumor that Cheney's on the DC Madam's list. OH BOY OH BOY OH BOY! I hope!!!)
July 12th, 2007 at 7:14 pm(Heard a rumor that Cheney’s on the DC Madam’s list. OH BOY OH BOY OH BOY! I hope!!!)
Comment by MsJoanne
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Dick needs a pro.....The man is hung like a stallion: http://www.poormojo.org/pmjadaily/images/hung_cheney.jpg
July 12th, 2007 at 7:18 pmComment by SuRReNdEr mONkEy — July 12, 2007 @ 7:11 pm
At what time am I to surrender my passport, SS#, and lousy "American" heritage, Mr. Surrender Monkey?
July 12th, 2007 at 7:22 pmPat, CLH, Chimpey leg humper, man that’s pricelss..
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July 12th, 2007 at 7:23 pmDick needs a pro. LOL. I can relate.
July 12th, 2007 at 7:27 pmGiuliani is an authoritarian conservative and although he may have somewhat enlightened views on abortion and gay rights, he would be as bad or worse than Bush.
Having said that, after reading William Langewiesche's 2002 book "American Ground : Unbuilding the World Trade Center", I would not trust the NY firefighters to have an objective view on how the World Trade Center cleanup was handled. This was a very complex, highly volatile, no-win situation for the firefighters and police.
July 12th, 2007 at 7:29 pmReviewing the Firefighters Union's Attack Video Against Giuliani
The International Association of Fire Fighter's video against Rudy is out. I watched it, trying to see if there were any legitimate gripes among the attacks.
They are few and far between, and the overall tone of the video makes the Swift Boat Vets for Truth ads look like C-SPAN. The video opens with Harold Schaitburger - a man credited with saving John Kerry's campaign - declaring the video "part of an ongoing political education process," and that "we're not going to tell you how to vote." Riiiiight.
Schaitburger begins, "One candidate is running on what he perceives as his 9/11 credentials."
Right. Rudy's credentials are only a matter of his own perception. Yeah, the former mayor's the only guy in the country who thinks he showed any leadership or grit under fire that day. Oh, and Time magazine, when they named him Man of the Year:
With the President out of sight for most of that day, Giuliani became the voice of America. Every time he spoke, millions of people felt a little better. His words were full of grief and iron, inspiring New York to inspire the nation...
When the day of infamy came, Giuliani seized it as if he had been waiting for it all his life, taking on half a dozen critical roles and performing each masterfully. Improvising on the fly, he became America's homeland-security boss, giving calm, informative briefings about the attacks and the extraordinary response. He was the gutsy decision maker, balancing security against symbolism, overruling those who wanted to keep the city buttoned up tight, pushing key institutions—from the New York Stock Exchange to Major League Baseball—to reopen and prove that New Yorkers were getting on with life. He was the crisis manager, bringing together scores of major players from city, state and federal governments for marathon daily meetings that got everyone working together. And he was the consoler in chief, strong enough to let his voice brim with pain, compassion and love. When he said "the number of casualties will be more than any of us can bear," he showed a side of himself most people had never seen.
(Really, you remember those details, those moments, and you don't even want to hear the rest of the attack video. Shaitburger's asking, "Who ya gonna believe, me, or your lying eyes (and memories)?")
But yeah, Rudy is only perceived as a great leader by himself. And Democrats like Andrew Cuomo.
And Chelsea Clinton, who declared "I thanked God that my mother was a senator representing New York, and that Rudy Giuliani was our mayor." (Interview with Talk magazine, December 2001.)
And the Queen of England.
I have great respect for the firefighters of New York, no matter what their views on politics or Rudy are, but I'm not persuaded by, "He's running on his 9/11 leadership, and there was lacking, and there was none" and "Whenevah I hear him talk, I just wanna scream out to the world, 'God, he's so full of it.'"
They charge that "Rudy Giuliani's urban legend begins on February 26, 1993, when al-Qaeda terrorists bomb the World Trade Center." Of course, while their careful phrasing suggests that Rudy was AWOL that day, they neglect to mention that the mayor of New York City in 1993 was David Dinkins.
They charge that the radios should have been changed quicker, and that the new ones put in March 2001 didn't work. Is testing new radio systems part of the mayor's job?
Giuliani's campaign points out that whatever the flaws in management of the radio system, his administration upgraded just about every other form of protective equipment. As mayor, he "directed the FDNY to purchase and outfit every firefighter with new, state-of the-art protective bunker gear. By the end of his first year in office, the City had distributed 11,300 sets of bunker gear at a cost of approximately $10 million. The new bunker gear resulted in a decrease of burn injuries by nearly 60% between 1994 and 1996."
His administration "purchased thermal-imaging cameras for all FDNY Ladder Companies, allowing firefighters to see into smoke-filled spaces, locate victims more quickly, and detect hidden pockets of fires in walls and ceilings."
In 1998, FDNY purchased Personal Alert Safety System (PASS) alarms for all firefighters to assist in the search and rescue of immobile/unconscious firefighters. The PASS alarms are integrated with the self-contained breathing apparatus, activating the alarm any time the air pack was in use so that firefighters no longer had to worry about activating their PASS in the middle of a fire response.
These actions are not the mark of a neglectful administration. Could the management of the upgrading of the radio system be better? Perhaps. But the IAFF, coming up empty on critiques for other vital lifesaving equipment, focuses in on the radio system, without giving credit for any other decision the mayor made. It's a fundamentally unfair attack, and a revealing one, demonstrating that the pledge to "help [members] make an informed decision" is bunk.
They contrast the problems with the fire radios with the success of police radios; but why is Rudy himself to blame for the problems with the FDNY, but not credited for what worked with NYPD?
One firefighter says, very dramatically, "He gave us nothing, when we needed a life-saving radio." But the record on the bunker gear, the thermal imaging cameras, and the PASS alarms demonstrate that the charge is manipulative hyperbole.
They go after Rudy for putting the command center - which the New York Times endlessly derided as "Rudy's bunker," the mark of a paranoid man obsessed with a mythical threat of terrorism - in the World Trade Center, which they call the number one terrorist target in New York. (That's easy to say in hindsight. Remember, we had an angry Palestinian shooting up the Empire State Building observation deck in 1997.) Besides that, it was in World Trade Center number 7, not the towers themselves. Why not have your entire crisis management team near the site they're most likely to need to work? Who the hell ever imagined the towers collapsing onto lower Manhattan?
Then the attacks get really out of line. They say Rudy was "running" through the streets and "running away from the scene" - I have yet to see any footage of Rudy running, and as for "leaving the scene", didn't a building just come down on top of the building he was in? - and "talking to the media." There are a million cameras in his face, and New Yorkers wanted - no, needed - to know what they should do in the crisis. What the heck was he supposed to do?
At this point, the union members are just grasping for what they can find, throwing it against the wall and seeing what sticking.
There's a strange interlude where the firefighters criticize the removal of gold in the wreckage from Bank of Nova Scotia. One firefighter charges, "He said, 'don't worry, firefighters will believe whatever I tell them. It's about your safety.' We knew it wasn't, we knew it was a lie." Having not found the villainous comments they would like to spotlight, IAFF members resort to putting the words in Rudy's mouth.
They refer to the cleanup as Rudy's "scoop and dump" operation, and claim that the cleanup did not take into account the firefighters' desire to recover the remains of every firefighter. I can imagine that if you lost a friend, family member and loved one on that day, that decision must be supremely difficult to accept. But we're talking about 1.2 million tons of wreckage. If America had resolved to go through every piece, looking for human remains, we would probably still have a pile of rubble in lower Manhattan, six years later. (Although considering the ludicrous delays in building anything on the site that we've seen, maybe we could have spared the time.) Giuliani relented, and some found remains that might not have been found if the mayor's original decision has stood. But I don't think it's fair to characterize Giuliani's effort to balance competing interests as "an appalling lack of respect," as the figures in this video call it.
Every Rudy decision is looked at with the benefit of hindsight and the least sympathetic interpretation possible. It's a hit piece, and whatever legitimate gripes firefighters may have with Rudy are subsumed by a nasty, sneering contempt.
July 12th, 2007 at 7:31 pmeven the NY TIMES said the video was factually incomplete. to think that a smear on a republican that even the Times won't endorse!
July 12th, 2007 at 7:32 pmI can't say about FDNY or NYPD, but I can't imagine why they cleaned it up so fast without looking for people OR looking for forensic evidence as to why it came down. That's odd. Just sweep it away without having any scientists or structural engineers determine exactly what happened. It seems they let the layperson say what happened without any investigation. That should have happened to see how other buildings could be reinforced. He handled that poorly, that's for sure.
July 12th, 2007 at 7:32 pmAs if anything someone named liberals destroyed america has anything of worth to say. I wouldn't even take the time to read your drivel.
July 12th, 2007 at 7:34 pmAs Firefighters have a strong sense of their own sexuality (Both the male and females), I think that the Firefighters also have a problem backing anyone with a confused sexuality and has two different wardrobes.
July 12th, 2007 at 7:37 pmGuilliani is a crook by all means. Just because an admitted traitor of the USA (liberals destroyed america) goes on a rampage to try to protect Rudy doesn't mean squat. Of course this traitor would try to cover up Rudy's crap. Please don't listen to these propaganda queens like 'liberals destroyed america" who live in another country and want to destroy our great country by spewing lies.
In other words... Do not feed the trolls, especially the foreign ones who are spewing propaganda to destroy the USA.
July 12th, 2007 at 7:39 pmalso the IAFF, who have backed every democrat since 1988, refused to poll their members before launching this video. clearly a partisan attack from the head of the IAFF, who was also a co-chair for john kerry, surprise surprise!
July 12th, 2007 at 7:40 pmYeah, vet in ny...we get enough propaganda from Fox, et al.
July 12th, 2007 at 7:42 pmThe right wing is upset about "swift-boat" tactics.
July 12th, 2007 at 7:42 pmLMAO
liberals destroyed america,
Great post but you have to remember that most of the people who post here actually believe that Rudy Giuliani was part of a neo-con plot to blow up the towers and then blame it on 19 Saudis and bin-Laden as a pretext for invading Iraq.
In other words the folks that post here (trolls excepted) are basiclly nuts.
No point even trying to talk sense to them. They start with their conclusion and then work their way backwards. Logic, reason and mostly, common sense are completely foreign to these nutters.
July 12th, 2007 at 7:43 pmLiberals are the true PATRIOTS,
If you can't write anything on your own, it's polite practice to show your source and to only provide a small quote and a link to the article you are referring readers to.
http://amerpundit.com/ (See July 12 entry).
Maybe your handle should be "Conservatives plagiarize America". Why does this kind of dishonesty only come from our liberal-hating posters?
July 12th, 2007 at 7:43 pmEvery 50-60 years, the nazi type of people try to take power, whether it's the world or this great country. The USA is now under attack from within by the Christian Dominionists. Unfortunately they have taken control of key positions within the US Government.
Good Americans have waken up and have started taking this country back. When we complete this mission, we should then make it final to rid the world of these nazi, dominionist, conservative traitors. We need to squash this totalitarian ideology for good so that it never rears it's ugly head again!
July 12th, 2007 at 7:44 pmRingo the Gringo, oh i know, but the thing is they can't even keep their conspiracy theories straight. rudy pulls the firefighters off the pile, they say he doesn't care about the dead, he lets them stay on the pile, and they blame him for them getting sick. he puts the command center in the secure WTC complex so he can be close by in case of a crisis, and they blame him for that. how was he supposed to know bush would blow it up with a demolition? oh wait....crossed up my conspiracies again!
July 12th, 2007 at 7:46 pmGreat catch Vinnie. Another troll trying to get credit for someone else's wor\k. What's the matter "liberals destroyed america". can think on your own? You got busted for stealing anothers idea's and have lost all credibility. typical of the conservative crowd.
July 12th, 2007 at 7:49 pmEvidently "liberals destroyed America" is a Rudy fan. Something tells me he was deeply troubled by Clinton's morals, but a guy who brought his mistress into his own home while his wife and kids were sleeping there doesn't bother him. I'm just guessing, though.
July 12th, 2007 at 7:51 pm#31
Copy and paste much?
July 12th, 2007 at 7:52 pm#35,
Yeah, so people saw him as a hero when goodness knows we needed one, score one for Rudi.
As for PASS alarms, bunker equipment and the like, mandated by NFPA, Rudi's no hero there.
"They contrast the problems with the fire radios with the success of police radios; but why is Rudy himself to blame for the problems with the FDNY, but not credited for what worked with NYPD?" Hey putz, what didn't work were the radios, and that was Rudi's doing, purchased them without allowing trials, without a competetive bid process. That's why they didn't hear the calls to evacuate. I notice you really skimmed over this one, THIS IS THE ONE THAT MATTERS!
The issue of the radios is the absolute damning part of the video. Not tested, Rudi purca
July 12th, 2007 at 7:53 pmIf Rudy wins, then any Democrat will win the election, even Hillary. (which scares me almost as much as Rudy winning)
July 12th, 2007 at 7:53 pmAnybody going to respond to the actual content of post #31?
July 12th, 2007 at 7:54 pmi have to bring you people the facts, knowing none of you leave the confines of your dilluded liberal bubbles.
July 12th, 2007 at 7:55 pmDag nab it! hit the wrong button!
Suffice to say that as a firefighter of twenty five years and knowing the issues I am of the opinion that the blood of those firefighters are on Rudi's hands. They had radios that did not work!
July 12th, 2007 at 7:56 pmAAAAAAAAAahHH!!!!!!!!!!!!! AAAaaaAHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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July 12th, 2007 at 7:56 pmSorry, not #31 but #35....
July 12th, 2007 at 7:56 pmVinnie,
Excellent! calling out the copy and pasters!
Never had an original thought of their own.
July 12th, 2007 at 7:58 pmRet. Col. Jack Ripper, i have no problem with clinton's morals, or rather his lack of morals. john kennedy was a very good president, and had hundreds of mistresses. i always felt the republicans should have just accepted the censure and they would have been better off. the impeachment was a disaster.
i also dont have a problem with them being brought up now, something tells me if the media goes after rudy about mistresses, that the only mistress's name that will pop into peoples' heads is monica lewinsky.
my problem is with the attacks on his children. the ny times harassing andrew giuliani for comments about his dad is disgusting. can anyone recall them doing that to chelsey? nope.
July 12th, 2007 at 7:59 pmAnybody going to respond to the actual content of post #31?
Comment by Ringo the Gringo — July 12, 2007 @ 7:54 pm
Its just a past job from another link. Any responses will be at that site. (The link is listed above). If you want to discuss things, then write them here (and don't write a novel, just a short blurb) and we will discuss it.
July 12th, 2007 at 7:59 pm#49 but a guy who brought his mistress into his own home while his wife and kids were sleeping there doesn’t bother him. I’m just guessing, though.
Comment by Ret. Col. Jack Ripper
And this surprises anyone because........?? It is clear that one of the republic's basic right is hypocrisy.
July 12th, 2007 at 7:59 pm#35
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July 12th, 2007 at 8:00 pmTexas Democrat, blood on rudy's hands? funny, all this time i thought is was osama....
July 12th, 2007 at 8:00 pm#56,
Quit being a retard.
July 12th, 2007 at 8:00 pmthey wont comment ringo, that post has too many facts in it for their dilluded minds to handle lol.
July 12th, 2007 at 8:01 pmMaybe your handle should be “Conservatives plagiarize Americaâ€. Why does this kind of dishonesty only come from our liberal-hating posters?
Comment by Vinnie — July 12, 2007 @ 7:43 pm
This causes question regarding any comment by "liberals destroyed america." Shall we disregard his comments?
July 12th, 2007 at 8:04 pmTexas Democrat, blood on rudy’s hands? funny, all this time i thought is was osama….
Comment by liberals destroyed america — July 12, 2007 @ 8:00 pm
Well, you thouth wrong. Even the FBI Director said there was no evidence that osama did it. Bush and Cheney put that story out and the conservatives bought it without questioning it.
July 12th, 2007 at 8:04 pm#63,
Concentrate real hard now. There was an emergency call to get out of the buildings that the crews in the buildings could not hear because of Rudis negligence.
Besides, the Bin Ladens being personal friends of the Bush family has Osama resting in the lap of luxury in a UAE penthouse. They roll him out every once in a while to scare the sheeple.
Piss off with your talking points!
July 12th, 2007 at 8:04 pmcan anyone recall them doing that to chelsey? nope.
Comment by liberals destroyed america
Selective memory -- Rush Limbaugh called Chelsea Clinton a dog.
July 12th, 2007 at 8:05 pmTexas Democrat, blood on rudy’s hands? funny, all this time i thought is was osama….
Comment by liberals destroyed america — July 12, 2007 @ 8:00 pm
Maybe you shouldn't think. It seems to go against your grain. osama didn't order crappy, untested radio's for the FDNY.
July 12th, 2007 at 8:07 pm#69 Zoo,
And of course, we can all forgive the rusher's drug-addled criticism, due to his own serious personal issues.
July 12th, 2007 at 8:09 pmMore mud slinging from the Clintoon Camp!
July 12th, 2007 at 8:10 pmThis just in:
WASHINGTON - President Bush always said he would wait to talk about the CIA leak case until after the investigation into his administration's role. On Thursday, he skipped over that step and pronounced the matter old news hardly worth discussing.
Unbelivable!
I'm sick of these people! And as bad as ya'll think you've got it, I've lived with this putz for twelve years, he drove the state of Texas into the ground before he moved on to the White House. Twelve long years of living with the Bush crime family. God I need relief.
July 12th, 2007 at 8:12 pmComment by liberals destroyed america — July 12, 2007 @ 7:31 pm
You're an IDIOT!!
July 12th, 2007 at 8:13 pmIMPEACH!
July 12th, 2007 at 8:13 pmNo attacks on Chelsea Clinton?
http://www.campusprogress.org/tools/448/know-your-right-wing-speakers-rush-limbaugh
http://mediamatters.org/items/200702070007
http://canadiancynic.blogspot.com/2006/04/chelsea-clinton-white-house-daughter.html
July 12th, 2007 at 8:13 pmMaybe it's the humidity, but the trolls seem dumber than usual today.
"he puts the command center in the secure WTC complex so he can be close by in case of a crisis, and they blame him for that."
Ah yes, that "secure" WTC complex, not that other one that kept getting attacked. Actually his justification was that he wanted the bunker within walking distance of city hall, and was warned by many people at the time not to put it in a known bulls-eye location.
"No point even trying to talk sense to them."
July 12th, 2007 at 8:15 pmSpot on Ringworm, now STFU!
"Selective memory — Rush Limbaugh called Chelsea Clinton a dog."
Comment by Zooey — July 12, 2007 @ 8:05 pm
His main reason for doing so is that she isn't a young, voluptuous male. That's how the Republicans like 'em: male, male, male!
From Raw Story:
"McCain chair arrested for solicitation
Florida state Rep. Robert "Bob" Allen, R-Merritt Island, was arrested Wednesday and charged with soliciting an undercover male officer for sex at a park in Central Florida. . . ."
Republicans: Stop the mandness!
July 12th, 2007 at 8:26 pmBTW:
Why is Rudy Giuliani even mentioned in this election? The guy's a complete idiot and did nothing but stand in the limelight after 9/11, Too bad about all the firefighters' remains in the landfill.
July 12th, 2007 at 8:28 pmMore on Rudy's post-9/11 antics:
"On October 31, Halloween, Giuliani decreed without any meaningful consultation that
there would be an upper limit of 25 firefighters on each shift at the WTC pile, along with
25 New York City policemen and 25 Port Authority patrolmen. Soon “the rescue workers
were up in arms. Stories went around that we had simply given up on finding bodies; that
the mayor wanted to speed the cleanup so it would be finished before he left office; that
we had recovered gold from the trade center and didn’t care about anything else….Union
officials started telling the workers we were haphazardly trucking everything to Fresh
Kills – a ‘scoop and dump’ operation.†(Van Essen 265)
Langewiesche defends the Mayor’s justification of cutting the firemen’s representation
on the pile: “when Giuliani gave ‘safety’ as the reason for reducing their presence on the
pile, he was completely sincere.†(Langewiesche 161) In his view, the big problem on the
pile was “firemen running wild.†(Langewiesche 162) In mid-October, an audience of
firemen, policeman, widows, and orphans loudly booed several members of the Giuliani
administration, but also Senator Hillary Clinton and a local Democratic politician. (Van
Essen 258) On Friday, November 2, Giuliani was able to harvest the results of his
provocations. In the morning, more than 1,000 firemen came together at the WTC. Their
chants included: “Bring the brothers home! Bring the brothers home!â€, “Do the right
thing!â€, “Rudy must go!â€, and “Tom must go!â€, a reference to Fire Commissioner
Thomas Van Essen, a Giuliani appointee. Their signs read, “Mayor Giuliani, let us bring
our brothers home.†Speakers denounced Giuliani’s hasty carting off of wreckage and
remains to Fresh Kills as a “scoop and dump†operation. One well-respected former
captain appealed to the crowd: “My son Tommy of Squad 1 is not home yet! Don’t
abandon him!†This was met with a cry of “Bring Tommy home!†from the assembled
throng. This scene soon degenerated into an altercation between the firefighters and the
police guarding the site, and then into a full-scale riot. Twelve firefighters were taken to
jail, while five policemen were injured. Giuliani had gladly sacrificed the 9/11 myth of
national solidarity to the needs of his campaign of psychological warfare and
provocations against the firemen. It was All Souls Day, the day of the dead, November 2,
2001."
http://www.plaguepuppy.net/public_html/Tarpley_ch_6.pdf
July 12th, 2007 at 8:36 pmmy problem is with the attacks on his children. the ny times harassing andrew giuliani for comments about his dad is disgusting. can anyone recall them doing that to chelsey? nope.
Comment by liberals destroyed america
On his TV show, early in the Clinton administration, Limbaugh put up a picture of Socks, the White House cat, and asked, "Did you know there's a White House dog?" Then he put up a picture of Chelsea Clinton, who was 13 years old at the time and as far as I know had never done any harm to anyone.
Chelsey??? No, but "Chelsea"? Yes. Perhaps you don't remember the incident because El Rushbo's "TV show" imploded almost immediately after launching. I guess once audiences got a good look at the man behind the voice, they decided they weren't interested.
July 12th, 2007 at 8:50 pmwtf
July 12th, 2007 at 9:24 pmThe Republic of Stupidity, i am glad to see you equate the ny times, a once proud news paper turned partisan talking point memo, to rush.
rush is a partisan hack, and you have equated the ny times' antics to his. thank you for confirming for everyone that the ny times is not a credible news source, simpley a hit-piece machine for the far left. glad you see it too.
July 12th, 2007 at 9:28 pmSo there really was $230 million in gold and silver? Holy crap, I thought that was just some 9/11 truth conspiracy stuff.
July 12th, 2007 at 9:48 pmJack sez:
You'd be surprised to find out just how much of that "9/11 truth conspiracy stuff" is actually true.
July 12th, 2007 at 9:53 pmliberals destroyed america sez:
TROS didn't equate anything, dolt. All he did was provide an example that directly contradicts your false assertion that Giuliani's kids are being targeted by the media, while Chelsea was not.
Try to keep up.
July 12th, 2007 at 9:56 pm"my problem is with the attacks on his children. the ny times harassing andrew giuliani for comments about his dad is disgusting. can anyone recall them doing that to chelsey? nope"
Somehow, liberals destroyed America, I don't believe you!!! With an incendiary name like that we are supposed to believe you are some honest observer. I don't think so.
July 12th, 2007 at 10:03 pmhEY I'm not the sharpest tool& I caught what the guy was saying right away, and your telling me Matthews did get the connection between full recovery ending ,immediately after all that gold was recovered, I mean that was just plain BIZZARE AND THEN the guest said " on the 1st the search for bodies ended, even after he already told him they found all that gold, he said , oh it ended so they could find more gold".
July 12th, 2007 at 10:19 pmHis mind set is so entrenched to disbelieve anything bad about his buddies or he must be mildly retarded .
Guiliani has not been up front with us about his actions in regard to 9-11. For someone who only served as a city mayor he making a really big leap from citywide office to the presidency. He has never held any statewide office. He never should have placed the command center inside the World Trade Center building. That was a foolish thing to do. Also he should have provided the firefighters and cops a better means of communicating instead of the the same radios that prevented proper communication on that fateful day.
Also he didn't tell the workers they were surrounded by toxic fumes despite EPA warnings. Also he was wrong to not let the firefighters search for their missing comrades, he stopped the search. That is unforgivable. The fact that he ditched the search for the 9-11 dead in favor of this gold is unconscionable. The firefighters are heroes and have more credibility than someone like Guiliani who has been dishonest about his limited role as mayor during 9-11. He has dishonored the memory of those that died on that fateful day.
July 12th, 2007 at 10:23 pmhave to bring you people the facts, knowing none of you leave the confines of your dilluded(SIC) liberal bubbles.
Comment by liberals destroyed america — July 12, 2007 @ 7:55 pm
Perhaps you could first explain to us what a "dilluded" bubble is, conservatron/valiantthehater/howsad, etc.
July 12th, 2007 at 10:29 pmI love how republicans allowed 911 to happen, profit from it, then accuse liberals of destroying america. Can't blame liberals when all the damage was done with an all GOP congress/senate & white house. Right-wing rhetoric is tired and I don't think even grade-schoolers buy into it anymore.
July 12th, 2007 at 10:30 pmLora, don't be harsh. They don't teach spelling at the home of liberals destroyed America. And you know that is the only place he studied.
July 12th, 2007 at 10:32 pmLora, don’t be harsh. They don’t teach spelling at the home of liberals destroyed America. And you know that is the only place he studied.
Comment by JPark — July 12, 2007 @ 10:32
JPark,
July 12th, 2007 at 10:39 pmYes, I realize that "liberals-destroyed-America" is either a flunk-out or was home-schooled, but I honestly want to know what "dilluded" means.
Does he mean "dilluted," "deluded," or even something else?
Chelsey??? No, but “Chelsea� Yes. Perhaps you don’t remember the incident because El Rushbo’s “TV show†imploded almost immediately after launching. I guess once audiences got a good look at the man behind the voice, they decided they weren’t interested.
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — July 12, 2007 @ 8:50 pm
Didn't John McCain also say something to the effect that the reason Chelsea Clinton is so ugly is because Janet Reno is her father? Yeah, neoCONs are destroying America, people really left the young girl alone.
July 12th, 2007 at 10:42 pmI doubt that you can prove that the NY Times has been harrassing Giuliani's son; but even if true, he at least is an adult.
Lora, dilluted is something liberals destroyed america's gene pool isn't (with an extra L)
July 12th, 2007 at 10:49 pmWhere The Gold At, Rudy?
July 12th, 2007 at 10:51 pmThe rethugs will still vote for him.
July 12th, 2007 at 11:22 pmush is a partisan hack, and you have equated the ny times’ antics to his. thank you for confirming for everyone that the ny times is not a credible news source, simpley a hit-piece machine for the far left. glad you see it too.
Comment by liberals destroyed america
What??? Someone on the Reich side of the line unequivocally stating that Rush is a "partisan hack"?? OMG!!! Is the Rapture coming?
BTW, I didn't "equate" anything. Rush Limbaugh's a drug addled clown who deliberately attacked Chelsea Clinton. As far as what the Times did that you find so distateful and and on par with El Druggo's behavior, I have no idea what you're talking about. All I did was point out either your deliberate dishonesty or your ignorance.
July 12th, 2007 at 11:55 pm"I would not trust the NY firefighters to have an objective view on how the World Trade Center cleanup was handled."
Comment by tballou — July 12, 2007 @ 7:29 pm
And I would not EXPECT the NY firefighters to have an objective view on how the World Trade Center cleanup was handled. The remains that were so eagerly left behind by Rudy were their friends, their coworkers, how could they possibly be objective? And it is sickening that five years later, construction workers continued to find remains of these heroes.
July 13th, 2007 at 12:14 am#
i have to bring you people the facts, knowing none of you leave the confines of your dilluded(SIC) liberal bubbles.
Comment by liberals destroyed america — July 12, 2007 @ 7:55 pm
You know, that is a lame excuse for plagiarism. You could bring us what you call facts with the proper attributions, but I realize thievery is no crime to many Republiscums. I'm still waiting for you to tell us what "dilluded" means.
July 13th, 2007 at 1:36 am#56,
Quit being a retard.
Comment by Texas Democrat — July 12, 2007 @ 8:00 pm
He's got to let his inner monkey express itself. Fortunately his unique typing style makes it easy to spot him without having to read him. After all, that's what scroll buttons are for...
Still Blue in Texas After all these Years
July 13th, 2007 at 2:12 amGood grief! Mathews is clueless.
July 13th, 2007 at 3:15 amLooks like the fine people on the left are running scared of Rudy, a little more each day. As the attacks ramp up, the hits will start to ramp up also.
The sad part you gonads fail to realize is that Fred will probably win out the nomination anyway, though Im sure the toads in the MSM will have more breaking news that his wife is younger than he is. WOW!
July 13th, 2007 at 6:45 amLiberals destroyed America? When Clinton was in the White House, we had no major war, no deficits and the initiation of welfare to work. Hillary started working on health care, but the health care industry quickly destroyed her efforts. The GOP got him on his personal life and lie to conceal it. Now we have a Republican administration which has record deficits, a war for no good reason that has killed more than 3,600 of our good soldiers, spin instead of substance and more acrimony between the parties than any I have seen in my life. Slowly, details about the patronizing of prostitutes by Republicans is coming out with the DC madam. Clinton did not have to pay for sex! I think conservatives destroyed America, and DID NOT CONSERVE what gifts they were given! As for the World Trade Center, several experts had reservations about its safety, particularly after the 1993 bombing, but nothing was done to increase its safety except by alarmed individuals. Not the Giuliani administration.
July 13th, 2007 at 7:14 amYou want to talk about morals?
Dwight Eisenhower had an affair with his secretary.
Just think: "Ike the Spike" was sneaking off every day to bend his secretary over the desk while World War II raged. I wonder how many times that two-timing bastard lied to Mamie about his fling!
Then there's George Bush I, who kept a mistress. He was boffing his bimbo every damn day when he was in office, just screwing his brains out while the national deficit skyrocketed.
And while we're on the subject of morals, let's not forget Jefferson, that swiving fool. "Hot pants" Tommy had a taste for brown sugar. He was skewering a black slave girl the whole time he was posing as one of the Founding Fathers.
And what about George W. Bush? Didn't he perform fellatio while he was a cheerleader at Yale?
Why, yes he did. This is after he stopped torturing animals, which is another topic altogether.
July 13th, 2007 at 8:00 amBoyeeee it must have been party time with Jeff Gannon in the Lincoln bedroom. Rove,Chimpee the Pea Brain, Cheney, Goodling whippin their asses, Taylor with a strapon. Good times
July 13th, 2007 at 10:33 amshamefull liberal attacks
July 13th, 2007 at 2:01 pmi think vitter's problem was he spent too much time around the kennedys. and when posters on sites like these start talking about spelling, you know they have run out of arguements. they simply can't counter the original post with facts so instead they turn to personal attacks and insults. liberals destroyed this country, carter with skyrocketing inflation, appeasement of castro and other dictators, and the rise of muslim extremism. clinton undid all the success reagan built, and though the republican congress kept spending in check, clinton lead us to a recession, he refused to attack bin laden despite dozens of chances, he refused his extradition from sudan, he left of soldiers behind in somalia to be dragged through the streets. he allowed the u.s.s. cole attack and did nothing to respond. and he ignored 17 terrorists who were in flight school in this country learning how to fly planes into buildings. in clinton's own words "i tried and i faild". yes mr. clinton you and your party have made failure your theme for a generation.
July 13th, 2007 at 3:28 pmin 1998, clinton had a daily briefing titled 'bin laden determined to hijack airplanes', tell me you demosocialists, what did clinton do to prevent hijackings after reading that document? you people bash bush saying he ignored his briefing, but tell me, what did the great slick willy do?
jordan fades back, swishhhh, and thats the game
July 13th, 2007 at 3:30 pm"What's the connection?"
Does the mainstream media think we are totally fucking stupid??? They need to sponser wholesale labotomies then put this shit on TV.
My God...the Mainstream Media is nothing more than lapdogs for the establishment....
July 13th, 2007 at 4:28 pmshamefull liberal attacks
Comment by crimedog — July 13, 2007 @ 2:01 pm
That's perhaps because Giuliani is SHAMELESS, lapdog.
July 13th, 2007 at 4:40 pmRepublicans have become so deranged and distant from reality they can't tell the difference between lies and the truth.
Oh, right, most of these Republicans watch Fox News. That explains it.
July 14th, 2007 at 2:48 am