Snow: Iraq Withdrawal Would Bring Terrorists ‘To A Shopping Mall Near You’
Snow: Iraq Withdrawal Would Bring Terrorists ‘To A Shopping Mall Near You’
Today on Fox News, White House Press Secretary Tony Snow defended the President’s Initial Benchmark Assessment Report, which argues that the administration is making “progress” in Iraq.
Snow attacked proposals to withdraw U.S. troops from Iraq, claiming:
To walk out of Iraq right now would plant a seed that ultimately would lead to destabilization there, hundreds of thousands of deaths, loss of our influence in the region, would create instability throughout the Middle East throughout East Asia, throughout Europe. And sooner or later it would come to our shores, to a shopping mall near you.
Watch it:
But this doomsday scenario is already playing out in Iraq, worsened by the President’s misguided policies:
– Since Bush announced his surge in January, violence has skyrocketed. Close to 600 U.S. soldiers and tens of thousands of Iraqi civilians have died since January. Military assessments suggest that “the U.S. military’s plan to secure Baghdad against a rising insurgency is falling far short of its goal.” A recent bombing killed over 150 in Baghdad, “one of the deadliest single bombings, if not the deadliest, since the 2003 invasion.”
– The war in Iraq has already destabilized the Middle East and exported terrorism throughout the world. “The rate of fatal terrorist attacks around the world by jihadist groups, and the number of people killed in those attacks, increased dramatically after the invasion of Iraq. Globally there was a 607 percent rise in the average yearly incidence of attacks.”
– The U.S. has already “lost influence” in the region. In a poll of 18 countries, the percentage of “saying that the United States is having a mainly positive influence in the world” dropped 11 points from two years ago, down to just 29 percent. Just 17 percent believe the United States is a stabilizing force in the Middle East.
Furthermore, national security experts recently called the possibility of terrorists following us home after leaving Iraq “remote at best.” Redeploying U.S. forces out of Iraq as quickly as possible would, in fact, enable the United States to better counter the global effects of Bush’s failed strategy.
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You better quit trying to get the troops out of Iraq or Dick Cheney is going to blow up a shopping mall?
July 12th, 2007 at 8:42 pmWe're not buying it any more, guys.
Your scare tactics will not work anymore.
July 12th, 2007 at 8:43 pmWow never heard of anyone paying to give someone else a BJ. Now if I could just find some women like that.. j/k!!
Comment by God
The stupidity that comes out of these fools' mouths is astonishing these days. Ah, I love the stench of Repub desperation in the morning!
July 12th, 2007 at 8:43 pmRight, because them "terrists" would hitch a ride back to the US.
If I recall correctly, the same type of doomsday scenario was given as a pretext not to withdraw from Vietnam.
July 12th, 2007 at 8:44 pmScrew up w/ copy and paste. My bad. Snow's comment still defies belief.
July 12th, 2007 at 8:44 pmDemocrat Senator Caves in Funding for Cheney's Office
I'm disgusted with all of them. Ready to go find a cave.
July 12th, 2007 at 8:44 pmwhat would it take to get tonybaloney to a shopping mall near me?
i'd love to have a little meet-and-greet with him
July 12th, 2007 at 8:45 pmSnow Job sez (emphasis mine):
The best lies have a dash of truth thrown in, just to make them go down a bit easier.
July 12th, 2007 at 8:45 pmThat's presumably supposed to sound very scary indeed, considering that the shopping mall is precisely where we've all been encouraged to go and enjoy ourselves in this utter sham of a war.
July 12th, 2007 at 8:46 pm'Be afraid folks! These crazy islamists are insane and want to kill you! But don't be so scared that you change your self-indulgent and brainless consumerist lifestyle. Be just scared enough to vote for politicians who say they will protect you'
fear fear fear fear fear. Such propaganda. The politicians told us the communists would be taking over our cities if we left vietnam, and the we'd all be speaking german if we didn't bomb civilians in germany, and on and on and on.
It's time this country has a new focus. Instead of stirring up a hornet's nest and angering people so much that they want to attack, why don't we focus all those trillions (or much less) on a national DE-fense that can actually protect this country. We don't have such a thing now, just OF-fense.
Some reading on this issue:
"National Defense vs. National Offense"
July 12th, 2007 at 8:46 pmhttp://www.populistamerica.com/national_defense_vs__national_offense
do doubt, with that $282 million burnin' a hole in their pockets, that's where i'd go too!
July 12th, 2007 at 8:47 pmOceans no longer protect us from our own intelligence services attacking our shopping malls.
AL-Qiada==ALL-CIADUH
July 12th, 2007 at 8:47 pmAL-Qiada==ALL-CIADUH
I am beginning to believe it.
July 12th, 2007 at 8:48 pmOlby has a Special Comment coming up in a few minutes concerning Chertoff's "gut".
July 12th, 2007 at 8:49 pmIraqi deaths dues to US invasion: ~970'000
http://www.justforeignpolicy.org/iraq/iraqdeaths.html
But who's counting?
At a shopping mall near you:
"Get your IEDs fresh! Special prices for Ramadan! Freshly imported from old Soviet stockpiles! Where is your veil, madam?"
July 12th, 2007 at 8:49 pmShort version of Tony Snow's blather:
The Muslims are coming! The Muslims are coming!
(Of course, the 26%ers will believe every word he says, and the come here to pollute ever thread with their garbage)
July 12th, 2007 at 8:50 pmLeft Coast Mike sez:
9/11 Truth...it's not just for moonbats anymore. ^_^
July 12th, 2007 at 8:51 pm"Democrat Senator Caves in Funding for Cheney’s Office"
It was bound to happen.
July 12th, 2007 at 8:51 pmOh God--they might make it as far as--as--ENGLAND!
We should do everything we can to keep that from ever happening!
July 12th, 2007 at 8:51 pm9/11 Truth…it’s not just for moonbats anymore. ^_^
Comment by TripMaster Monkey — July 12, 2007 @ 8:51 pm
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Yeah, it's also for America-haters!
July 12th, 2007 at 8:52 pmMr. President sez:
I knew you trolls wouldn't be able to resist that. Thanks again for being so darned predictable. ^_^
July 12th, 2007 at 8:54 pmWhere have we hear this before:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domino_theory
July 12th, 2007 at 8:55 pmmy neighbor is a fairly evangelical christian who still supports george. she says this is the end of times, that God elected george to fulfill prophesy. i wonder how many christian ministers around the country are telling they congregations this?
July 12th, 2007 at 8:56 pm> Where have we hear this before
Damn Kissinger and his ouija board.
July 12th, 2007 at 8:56 pmThis is an old terror tactic used by the South African apartheid regime. At the time they were fighting wars in Angola, Namibia and Mozambique to hold back the "swaart gevaar' - black danger. In other words, the blacks might someday take over our country.
If we don't fight them in the bush, we will fight them in the suburbs, said PW Botha and Hendrik Verwoerd.
The GOP channeling the apartheid regime. Brought to you by BushCo.
And remember, Jack Abramoff made a movie using apartheid money. And Pat Robertson wanted to be the US ambassador to South Africa back in the bad old days.
July 12th, 2007 at 8:57 pmTo quote Bill Maher
Machiavelli, why don't you sit this one out.
July 12th, 2007 at 8:57 pmAre Americans really buying these scare tactics anymore?
July 12th, 2007 at 8:57 pmHow ridiculous.
Comment by TripMaster Monkey — July 12, 2007 @ 8:54 pm
We're a team you set 'em up, I'll knock 'em down!
July 12th, 2007 at 8:59 pmWow.. the disappearing comments at TP.
Man their commenting system and/or censorship is lame.
July 12th, 2007 at 8:59 pmLOL and the terrorist will have written instructions from Osama and Zawahiri!
Props to Reid today for
FINALLY
calling them out on not finding Osama and Zawahiri.
Finally
July 12th, 2007 at 8:59 pmQ: If a man with colon cancer provides a deliriously stupid hypothetical, where might one surmise his head has been?
July 12th, 2007 at 8:59 pm> my neighbor is a fairly evangelical christian who still supports george. she
> says this is the end of times, that God elected george to fulfill prophesy. i
> wonder how many christian ministers around the country are telling they
> congregations this?
Wouldn't it be painful if tomorrow we were conquered by a galactic hegemony in
July 12th, 2007 at 8:59 pma 7-hour war, then enslaved for menial tasks? That would set all our clocks straight.
Those of you who've been around long enough must remember the dire warnings about pulling out of Vietnam over thirty years ago. The countries adjoining Vietnam would begin falling like dominoes to communism, and they would eventually invade the United States, forcing us to fight them here. I'm sure that the Viet Cong will be landing at Laguna Beach any day now.
Are we truly to believe that (assuming that the "official" version of events on 9/11 is true) had we already been in Iraq on 9/11, the 19 highjackers would have taken a detour to Iraq to fight our armed forces there instead of commandeering four commercial flights, armed only with boxcutters, leveling three skyscrapers in New York with two planes?
July 12th, 2007 at 9:01 pmMr President sez:
Well, you better get started then, "teammate".
July 12th, 2007 at 9:01 pmsooner or later, they will come to a mall near us. it has nothing to do with withdrawal from iraq. bush insured we will be attacked by what he has done. he has increased the terrorist threat throughout the world and they are now stronger than ever. snow job, need to get another job. i am tired of these liars and bush is the leader. bush is not an america, he is a traitor and has destroyed our country.
July 12th, 2007 at 9:02 pmYeah, it’s also for America-haters!
Comment by Mr. President
Irrational and off-thread. NEXT!!!
July 12th, 2007 at 9:02 pmThey're coming here?? Now?? Oh SHIT!! Where do I hide??
July 12th, 2007 at 9:03 pm#23 my neighbor is a fairly evangelical christian who still supports george. she says this is the end of times, that God elected george to fulfill prophesy. i wonder how many christian ministers around the country are telling they congregations this?
I have heard this across the board that the fundamentalists WANT that. They believe that and are aggressively trying to pursue that.
How friggin' scary is that??
July 12th, 2007 at 9:05 pmIf we hadn't busted Iraq up so much, they'd have their own shopping malls and wouldn't have to come over and use ours. I know it upsets the trolls when they do, walking around in robes and talking funny . . .
I don't mind, personally, because I don't care for malls anyway.
July 12th, 2007 at 9:06 pmi'd say they have overplayed that fear card.
July 12th, 2007 at 9:07 pmSince Spain did have a presence in Iraq until they "cut and run", it would only seem reasonable that they would already have suffered numerous Al-Queda sponsored attacks on their shopping malls. So what gives?
July 12th, 2007 at 9:07 pmi'll get the freedom fries ready!!!
July 12th, 2007 at 9:08 pmWe should stop the 3 billion dollars a month occupation and put that money towards securing our borders and ports.
Problem solved!
July 12th, 2007 at 9:08 pmNeocon Bill Kristol expects Bush to attack Pakistan
Published: Thursday July 12, 2007
Fox News on Thursday asked Neoconservative Bill Kristol to comment on the interim progress report on Iraq, which is about to be released and is expected to show an even split between benchmarks which show progress and those which do not.
"They're silly benchmarks, a lot of them," said Kristol. "The military situation is better than anyone expected. ... If Bush can just hang on there and beat back the people in Congress who want to snatch defeat out of the jaws of possible success ... I think we're going to win this war."
A Fox host then cited a new report that "al Qaeda ... is running from Iraq, apparently to Pakistan" and asked "did this report come out on purpose so that we will have the right ... to go after Pakistan now?"
Kristol responded, "I think the president's going to have to take military action there over the next few weeks or months. ... Bush has to disrupt that sanctuary."
"I think, frankly, we won't even tell Musharraf," Kirstol continued. "We'll do what we have to do in Western Pakistan and Musharraf can say, 'Hey, they didn't tell me.'"
July 12th, 2007 at 9:09 pm> I have heard this across the board that the fundamentalists WANT that.
But of course. And it's not only the fundis:
Praying for a Terrorist Strike: The GOP's Newest Political Strategy
How else are rational people supposed to understand the following remarks offered by Santorum during a July 7 interview on Hugh Hewitt's syndicated radio program: “[C]onfronting Iran in the Middle East as an absolute linchpin for our success in that region.... And while it may not be a popular thing to talk about right now, and I know public sentiment is against it [namely, the war in Iraq and expanding the conflict to Iran] ... between now and November, a lot of things are going to happen, and I believe that by this time next year, the American public’s going to have a very different view of this war, and it will be because, I think, of some unfortunate events, that like we’re seeing unfold in the UK. But I think the American public’s going to have a very different view....â€
July 12th, 2007 at 9:09 pm"If Bush can just hang on there and beat back the people in Congress who want to snatch defeat out of the jaws of possible success … I think we’re going to win this war.â€
- Bill (Israel First) Kristol
WHAT WAR?
It's an occupation stupid.
If it's a war, who's the friggin' enemy then?
July 12th, 2007 at 9:11 pm> “I think, frankly, we won’t even tell Musharraf,†Kirstol continued. “We’ll do what
> we have to do in Western Pakistan and Musharraf can say, ‘Hey, they didn’t tell me.’â€
I like that one. After that, Mushi will dance the Tyburn Jig and the terros will make off with his nukes. Bush/Cheney 2008!
July 12th, 2007 at 9:11 pmMore likely coming to a power plant, port, or refinery near you, none of which have seen increased security under this lame ass administration.
July 12th, 2007 at 9:11 pmPublished: Thursday July 12, 2007
Fox News on Thursday asked Neoconservative Bill Kristol to comment on the interim progress report on Iraq, which is about to be released and is expected to show an even split between benchmarks which show progress and those which do not.
“They’re silly benchmarks, a lot of them,†said Kristol. “The military situation is better than anyone expected. … If Bush can just hang on there and beat back the people in Congress who want to snatch defeat out of the jaws of possible success … I think we’re going to win this war.â€
A Fox host then cited a new report that “al Qaeda … is running from Iraq, apparently to Pakistan†and asked “did this report come out on purpose so that we will have the right … to go after Pakistan now?â€
Kristol responded, “I think the president’s going to have to take military action there over the next few weeks or months. … Bush has to disrupt that sanctuary.â€
“I think, frankly, we won’t even tell Musharraf,†Kirstol continued. “We’ll do what we have to do in Western Pakistan and Musharraf can say, ‘Hey, they didn’t tell me.’â€
YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
July 12th, 2007 at 9:12 pm#23 Tell your neighbor that if God elected bush, He has one real sick sense of humor.
July 12th, 2007 at 9:12 pmBoo!
July 12th, 2007 at 9:13 pmTony Snow
How else are rational people supposed to understand the following remarks offered by Santorum during a July 7 interview on Hugh Hewitt’s syndicated radio program: “[C]onfronting Iran in the Middle East as an absolute linchpin for our success in that region…. And while it may not be a popular thing to talk about right now, and I know public sentiment is against it [namely, the war in Iraq and expanding the conflict to Iran] … between now and November, a lot of things are going to happen, and I believe that by this time next year, the American public’s going to have a very different view of this war, and it will be because, I think, of some unfortunate events, that like we’re seeing unfold in the UK. But I think the American public’s going to have a very different view….â€
I guess that perhaps that Santorum has some inside info then.
Maybe this is why McCain is stubbornly hanging on to his pro-war platform. Maybe he has the same inside info too.
July 12th, 2007 at 9:14 pmthe time has come for good americans to start disrupting services at these fundamentalist churchs. their delusional beliefs are being manipulated by cynical politicians (rove) and are undermining our democracy (such as it is). if we want a tolerent society, we must deal with intolerence.
July 12th, 2007 at 9:14 pmThis administration needs to recognize the war in Iraq is a complete failure and mistake. There are more critical issues that affecting the lives of millions of americans and people world wide that our president is not taking actions against. Now the war has proven to be a failure and is causing more violence, terror and poverty in this world. According to the Borgen Project, it only takes $19 billion dollars annually to eradicate world hunger and poverty. However, our government has already spent more than $450 billion dollars over this fruitless war in Iraq. It is time for the Bush Administration to take a real interest in the lives of the American people as well as people who are in desperate needs around the world. Stop the lies and stop poverty now. Put away the arrogance and put the needs of the people before political gains.
July 12th, 2007 at 9:14 pmRe: Post #3
"Wow never heard of anyone paying to give someone else a BJ. Now if I could just find some women like that ..."
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity
Hey ... How about Ann Coulter?
She can be reached via the William Morris Agency
Phone: (212) 586-5100
Fax: (212) 246-3583
It might cost you 20 large ... but it might be worth the scandal if you can pull it off.
Good luck.
July 12th, 2007 at 9:16 pmSince Spain did have a presence in Iraq until they “cut and runâ€, it would only seem reasonable that they would already have suffered numerous Al-Queda sponsored attacks on their shopping malls. So what gives?
Comment by curmudgeon
Yep, great point.
And England, who still has a presence in the region, keeps having all sorts of terrorist problems... even if most of them have been manufactured by MI5. LOL!
July 12th, 2007 at 9:17 pmI don’t mind, personally, because I don’t care for malls anyway.
Comment by gummitch
I agree. They can have the malls. Ugh.
July 12th, 2007 at 9:17 pmMr. President that's the only thing you have ever posted that was worth a damn.
Now can you tell me whay it has taken so long to talk about finding Zawahiri who taunts you and me and Americans every chance he gets with his freedom?
July 12th, 2007 at 9:17 pmOh no, the sky is falling...the sky is falling. These lying SOBs can go to hell.
July 12th, 2007 at 9:18 pmQuite unbelievably, the neocons persist in their hero worship of Ronald Reagan, even though he "cut and ran" from Beirut after the bombing there in 1983 killed 241 U.S. Marines who were stationed there. Surely, those terrorists would have followed us here, and would have already blown up most of our shopping malls by now.
July 12th, 2007 at 9:18 pmNah, Ann Coulter gives "her"self blowjobs! ;-)
July 12th, 2007 at 9:19 pm#52 > I guess that perhaps that Santorum has some inside info then.
He could have seen the report "Bin Ladin determined to help out some more in the US".
July 12th, 2007 at 9:20 pmOne of these days the crime family will say "we were just shitting you all along...we got ours so now it is yours". These sorry thugs are worthless liars, crooks, and cowards. I hate a republican for the (R) after their names.
July 12th, 2007 at 9:20 pm"You better quit trying to get the troops out of Iraq or Dick Cheney is going to blow up a shopping mall?
Comment by Vato"
No, he'll just shoot you in the face.
July 12th, 2007 at 9:20 pmThe sad thing is that eventually it will happen and we will have the kinds of things we see with suicide bombers. It's not a matter of if but when.
The sad thing is that Bush brought it on. He allowed 9/11 to happen. He ignored "intelligence" about 9/11 and created "intelligence" about Iraq. PNAC wanted this war and they got it. We've tortured so many people that each of them could become the terrorists they originally weren't.
Desperate people become terrorists.
July 12th, 2007 at 9:21 pmComment by LandSurveyor — July 12, 2007 @ 9:17 pm
What?
YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I post that all the time. I was responding to the post from Fux News.
Sure, I'll tell you. After all, I am a neoCon.
There is really no more of a reason to get Zawahiri than any other terrorist leader. They are all a bunch of MuslimSh*teaters. Therefore, if support for the elimination of all muslims (aka "The War on Terror") ever starts to dwindle, we can let the people know that we are about to get one of the really, really bad guys (who, we have know about the whole time of course).
July 12th, 2007 at 9:23 pmSure, I’ll tell you. After all, I am a neoCon.
Get out! Really? I would never have guessed!!
July 12th, 2007 at 9:24 pmMsJoanne # 61
If you keep talking naughty like that, MsJoanne, I may have to put forth a cyberspace marriage proposal ...
:-)
Seriously, thanks for the smile.
July 12th, 2007 at 9:25 pmComment by Mr. President — July 12, 2007 @ 9:23 pm
The suicide bombers are primarily from Saudi Arabia just like the terrorists of 911. How do you explain that, shit for brains? The USA is the primary terrorist organization in Iraq...there are more of us, more heavily armed than them and we are tearing up more shit than we fix. Go figure, Einstein.
July 12th, 2007 at 9:26 pmComment by kasinca — July 12, 2007 @ 9:26 pm
Good!
But the oil wells are still safe, right?
I thought so!
July 12th, 2007 at 9:28 pmThe sky is falling!
The sky is falling!
Yeah, we believe you. We also believe that PIGS can fly!
Meanwhile, I agree. The GIG IS UP.
Their LIES are sooooooooooooooooo transparent!
July 12th, 2007 at 9:29 pmHey President the last time I was in here you had changed your name to "Prince" or some shit like that? What up holmes? Still cruz'n Jr High's for Ms President?
July 12th, 2007 at 9:29 pmRight on cue, the trolls are already launching their insults trying to distract from the obvious: That Snow's nonsensical claim doesn't hold water.
After all, wasn't a terror plot thwarted not long ago in the US?
Clearly, it's too late to claim that them evil terrorists would somehow follow the US military after their withdrawal from Iraq.
July 12th, 2007 at 9:30 pmRemember when we used to have effective trolls?
Today's breed aren't worth responding to.
July 12th, 2007 at 9:31 pm"my neighbor is a fairly evangelical christian who still supports george. she says this is the end of times, that God elected george to fulfill prophesy."
I guess that totally negates Christians belief in free will.
July 12th, 2007 at 9:32 pmRemember when we used to have effective trolls?
Today’s breed aren’t worth responding to.
Comment by TripMaster Monkey
All they do is take up space. That's boring.
July 12th, 2007 at 9:34 pmwho really believes anything tony snow says
July 12th, 2007 at 9:34 pmI guess that totally negates Christians belief in free will.
Comment by JPark
I don't think fundies really believe they have free will.
Hi JPark! Been a while!
July 12th, 2007 at 9:35 pmI apologize, this is a bit off topic but related to all the Sh*t. Two things:
1. Last weekend I had my grandaughter staying with us. As we were building furniture for the doll house I built for her at Christmas, I was cutting out the coffee table when it dawned on me... I built a second table, painted "IMPEACH NOW" in red, white and blue paint, attached a note: "See, it's on the table now" and mailed it to Speaker Pelosi.
2. Inherent Contempt. Call by Rep (waste of time), my Senator (Harry can you hear me?--Loved that album) AND Keith Olberman (well emailed him-no phone#) with links to the definition. KO can reach a lot more people than this blog can.
Sorry, I know this is rather verbose, but I'm ANGRY! I did not give 22 years of my life in the AF for THIS!!! (wait--for "The Queen/Pip(ylongstockings)/Mr. Pee on everything..not enough !!! for you. Here's a couple more..never mind I actually have a brain.
John
July 12th, 2007 at 9:35 pm#74 and #76
TripMaster Monkey and Zooey ...
Whatever happened to "Exley?"
I hope he did not experience an aneurysm defending the Bush administration.
July 12th, 2007 at 9:38 pmI guess that totally negates Christians belief in free will.
Comment by JPark
I don’t think fundies really believe they have free will.
Comment by Zooey
Zooey,
They have as much free will as the rover, Darth, Dobson and Pat Robertson allows them to have!
July 12th, 2007 at 9:40 pm#79 Last weekend I had my grandaughter staying with us. As we were building furniture for the doll house I built for her at Christmas, I was cutting out the coffee table when it dawned on me… I built a second table, painted “IMPEACH NOW†in red, white and blue paint, attached a note: “See, it’s on the table now†and mailed it to Speaker Pelosi.
I proposed just that last week! I am going to find one of those little antique tables (my old boss collected them) and send it to Madam Speaker, myself!
GMTA!!
July 12th, 2007 at 9:41 pmZooey, yeah, I was decompressing. I am much less reactionary for a few weeks. I think fundies believe whatever they feel like believing at the time. Free will is a huge deal with them...until it is inconvenient.
July 12th, 2007 at 9:41 pmThanks for the great welcome back, though!!
July 12th, 2007 at 9:42 pmRachelb was the best troll money could buy. No one came close to her.
July 12th, 2007 at 9:43 pmIraq Withdrawal Would Bring Terrorists ‘To A Shopping Mall Near You’
Well even terrorists know a good deal when they see one - ITS END-OF-SUMMER CLEARANCE SALE TIME!!!!!!
Of course the terrorists will be at the mall shopping - Won't you too?
July 12th, 2007 at 9:46 pmTHE MORE YOU BUY THE MORE YOU SAVE!!!!!!
Dear, soulless Tony,
We planted that seed the day we invaded Iraq. Heckuva job.
July 12th, 2007 at 9:46 pm"I proposed just that last week! I am going to find one of those little antique tables (my old boss collected them) and send it to Madam Speaker, myself!"
Comment by MsJoanne
The one I built for the dollhouse, I built, the one I sent to the Speaker came from a $6.00 kit I bought at the local hobby store. Save the time/money to work for the candidate of your choice. Nice to know that someone else thought of this...darn and I thought I was original:). Power to you MsJoanne.
July 12th, 2007 at 9:46 pmMuslimshiteater=Neocondicksucker
July 12th, 2007 at 9:47 pmWhatever you send to Madam Pelosi, make sure you send the same to the 15 or 20 or 30 Republican Senators who care more about supporting Bush and the Republican Party than they care about supporting the troops.
If these Republican jerk offs would step away from the party line and sniff some reality - things could proceed.
July 12th, 2007 at 9:52 pmDamn, I can't find it because of some Illinois "terrorist plot" but didn't some other Republican talk about them following us home and bombing our malls? I know this isn't the first time I have heard this.
July 12th, 2007 at 9:54 pmWe planted that seed the day we invaded Iraq. Heckuva job.
Comment by Middle Seat — July 12, 2007 @ 9:46 pm
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The whole point is to fuk shit up in Islamic countries so that we can go in and completely blow Islam off the map.
July 12th, 2007 at 9:54 pmWho cares if Iraq is in a civil war, we are there, so therefore, we own it.
Once all the muslims are gone we will grab all the oil, sell it, and then use the profits to start another war with more sand-monkeys!
Whatever happened to “Exley?â€
I hope he did not experience an aneurysm defending the Bush administration.
Comment by Beavis
He was around yesterday, being pompous, still defending this admin.
July 12th, 2007 at 9:55 pmBOO!
July 12th, 2007 at 9:56 pmThanks for the great welcome back, though!!
Comment by JPark
You've missed some fabulous hijackings!
July 12th, 2007 at 9:56 pmZoo...Exley...pompous???? No way!!!! :)
July 12th, 2007 at 9:58 pmI bet, Zoo. The trolls seem to have lost their sparkle though.
July 12th, 2007 at 9:58 pmI guess Snow-job confirmed what I have known for a while, Al Quada is part of the NeoCon oranization, since they will come shopping here.... like Dubya told us all to do a Little Darth.
July 12th, 2007 at 10:01 pmSo has Cheney been refunded now or what?
July 12th, 2007 at 10:03 pmZoo…Exley…pompous???? No way!!!! :)
Comment by JPark
Hard to imagine, huh?
I bet, Zoo. The trolls seem to have lost their sparkle though.
Comment by JPark
They weren't invited to the hijackings. :)
July 12th, 2007 at 10:04 pmI am all for a good liberal hijacking. I am proud that we are herded like cats.
July 12th, 2007 at 10:05 pmKristol responded, “I think the president’s going to have to take military action there [Pakistan] over the next few weeks or months. … Bush has to disrupt that sanctuary.â€
Comment by FuX News — July 12, 2007 @ 9:09 pm
When Kristol predicts what Bush will do, it will happen. It's the only time you can believe a word he says.
Anyway, if true, this should prove interesting.
July 12th, 2007 at 10:06 pmWhy would they shop here? Rugs are cheap in Iraq and the streets are much safer there than in the US.
July 12th, 2007 at 10:06 pmThe IQ of the troll has decreased with approval rating of the thugs in the crime family.
July 12th, 2007 at 10:06 pmI'm planning another attack as you little worms speak.
July 12th, 2007 at 10:08 pmWhen Kristol predicts what Bush will do, it will happen. It’s the only time you can believe a word he says.
Anyway, if true, this should prove interesting.
Comment by Egreggios — July 12, 2007 @ 10:06 pm
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Interesting?!?!?!
IT'S GOING TO BE FUKING AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!
WE ARE GOING TO FUK MORE SHIT UP IN A STINKIN' MONKEY TOWN!!!!
I CAN'T WAIT TO WATCH IT ON TV!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
July 12th, 2007 at 10:09 pmImpeachable Stains... ROFL
http://tinyurl.com/yw4vwm
July 12th, 2007 at 10:10 pmI’m planning another attack as you little worms speak.
Comment by Richard Cheney — July 12, 2007 @ 10:08 pm
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Good!
I knew you were!!!
God Bless You Sir!
The Christian God, that is ;)
July 12th, 2007 at 10:11 pm† † † † † † † † † † † † † † † † † † † † †
Neocondicksuckers love monkey felatio too.
July 12th, 2007 at 10:12 pmI CAN’T WAIT TO WATCH IT ON TV!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Comment by "Mr. President"
If it happens ... why not be there live and in living color yourself?
July 12th, 2007 at 10:13 pmInteresting?!?!?!
IT’S GOING TO BE FUKING AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!
WE ARE GOING TO FUK MORE SHIT UP IN A STINKIN’ MONKEY TOWN!!!!
I CAN’T WAIT TO WATCH IT ON TV!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Comment by Mr. President
You know how you sent somebody's post to the FBI today.
We'll be saving your post for when the administration is out and the trials begin. I wonder how many crimes you have implicated yourself in? Those will be good times.
July 12th, 2007 at 10:13 pmNeocondicksuckers love monkey felatio too.
Comment by Mr. Shit-fer-brains
And they pay to perform it on the monkey too. Poor monkey.
July 12th, 2007 at 10:15 pmIraq: Civilian Deaths Down 36 Percent
July 12th, 2007 at 10:16 pmIraq Says Civilian Deaths Down 36 Percent From May, to Lowest Since Start of Baghdad Crackdown
Iraqi civilian deaths dropped to their lowest level since the start of the Baghdad security operation, government figures showed Sunday, suggesting signs of progress in tamping down violence in the capital.
http://www.abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory?id=3335646
Why do liberals want America to squander success in the new century?
July 12th, 2007 at 10:17 pmIraq: Civilian Deaths Down 36 Percent
Comment by FLSteve — July 12, 2007 @ 10:16 pm
Sorry for the bad news, Pee.
July 12th, 2007 at 10:19 pm#114 Well, bush has been president for the whole century. Not a whole lot of success. This guy loses everything. Might as well rename him France.
July 12th, 2007 at 10:19 pmFLSteve, honestly, when was the last time you paid attention to the Iraqi death toll? Really. I mean it.
July 12th, 2007 at 10:20 pmNeocondicksuckers love monkey felatio too.
Comment by Mr. Shit-fer-brains — July 12, 2007 @ 10:12 pm
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Sure, I'd let a muslim chick blow me.
But she would have to shave and take a shower.
July 12th, 2007 at 10:20 pmComment by JPark — July 12, 2007 @ 10:19 pm
Once Bush is gone then you'll really see some shit happening!
July 12th, 2007 at 10:21 pmAmerica will impose it's force on the world!!!
I need more dead monkeys to make sweet love too.
July 12th, 2007 at 10:21 pmBy the way, that is attributed to the Baghdad crackdown. So, it it REALLY a 36% decrease in deaths in Baghdad or is that ALL THEY HAVE BEEN COUNTING?
July 12th, 2007 at 10:22 pmSorry for the bad news, Pee.
Comment by Egreggios — July 12, 2007 @ 10:19 pm
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Maybe they're all dying off!
YES!
July 12th, 2007 at 10:22 pmComment by FLSteve — July 12, 2007 @ 10:16 pm
Yes, "only" 1200 Iraqis are dying a month now.
What an astounding success.
But these Bush supporters are so used to lowering the bar for their Dear (mis)Leader, that the fact that Iraqis are still dying in the thousands can be twisted into a success story.
July 12th, 2007 at 10:22 pmMaybe, Primus, if Bush, Jr. is elected (Hillary).
July 12th, 2007 at 10:22 pmOh, and one more thing: Since when does the US military "do" body counts in Iraq? Wasn't that verboten until not too long ago?
July 12th, 2007 at 10:24 pmDoes Mr Pee know someone at TP? Why are his posts allowed to stand while others, including mine, are deleted?
July 12th, 2007 at 10:24 pm"Why do liberals want America to squander success in the new century?"
Comment by "Mr. President"
Yeah ... Especially since Bush says this is the "fight for our civilization ..."
So off you go to Kentucky to do it the "right way" ...
101st Airborne Division
HOPKINSVILLE
4152 fort campbell blvd
all american center
hopkinsville, KY 42240
270 - 881-9612
Good luck, "Mr. President" ...
July 12th, 2007 at 10:24 pmThey have always done a body count. They've just pretended they didn't.
July 12th, 2007 at 10:25 pm"And sooner or later it would come to our shores, to a shopping mall near you."
Snow's speaking as if we're keeping them at bay because we're over there... like they're not setting their sites on us because they're too busy overseas... if they plan to attack a shopping mall, they'll do it whether we stay in Iraq or not... the important thing is to get smart about security here...
July 12th, 2007 at 10:25 pmLet's make it easy for them since all their excuses are worn out: let's take most of the worlds money, put it in a big giant hole in the desert and let all these money addicts go there and hang out.
July 12th, 2007 at 10:25 pmGet them all off the streets and out of our way.
They are causing way too many problems now.
They can count money, make pretend deals and tell stories to themselves.They can have a few rocks to hurt each other with when they get mad.
Everything they are doing now is useless and really wasting our time.
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From a brief scan of the comments here, it doesn't appear as if anyone on this site pays much attention to anything. Ignorance is bliss, I guess.
July 12th, 2007 at 10:25 pmMr. President, the liberals are waiting for terrorists to detonate a nuclear device in a US city and the severe consequences to our nation.
Even then they will prefer to do nothing.
July 12th, 2007 at 10:26 pmSorry, I was replying to this:
" FLSteve, honestly, when was the last time you paid attention to the Iraqi death toll? Really. I mean it.
Comment by JPark "
From a brief scan of the comments here, it doesn’t appear as if anyone on this site pays much attention to anything. Ignorance is bliss, I guess.
July 12th, 2007 at 10:27 pmand they're saying back in Bagdad: "they'll welcome us as liberators."
July 12th, 2007 at 10:27 pm"From a brief scan of the comments here, it doesn’t appear as if anyone on this site pays much attention to anything. Ignorance is bliss, I guess."
FLSteve pays a lot of attention to the news...specifically Rush, Beck, Savage and Michael Crighton. He loves fiction.
July 12th, 2007 at 10:27 pmm12,
No. Then they will blame America!
July 12th, 2007 at 10:28 pmThey’ve just pretended they didn’t.
Comment by david — July 12, 2007 @ 10:25 pm
Yes, dave. Thanks. That was partially my point. The US military is so desperate to point at any success, literally any at all, that they are now using the body counts they always said they didn't do and are "catapulting the propaganda" that "only" 1,200 Iraqis are dying per month.
With these friends, who needs enemies?
July 12th, 2007 at 10:29 pm"But these Bush supporters are so used to lowering the bar for their Dear (mis)Leader, that the fact that Iraqis are still dying in the thousands can be twisted into a success story. -- Comment by Gregor Samsa "
Hmmm. Could be you're trying to twist a story on improvement into a failure story.
July 12th, 2007 at 10:29 pmComment by Mr. President — July 12, 2007 @ 10:28 pm
They will only if its Romney or Thompson. If Hillary wins, the radical left who supported Truman and supported Johnson will be pushing for war with Iran.
July 12th, 2007 at 10:30 pmComment by FLSteve — July 12, 2007 @ 10:29 pm
Yeah, "only" 1,200 Iraqis are dying per month.
Such an improvement. Such a success story.
July 12th, 2007 at 10:31 pmThey've decided to start giving out body counts so that Pee, who has now reached puberty, can get sexual gratification.
July 12th, 2007 at 10:31 pmSo, W's war on terror has brought us to this.
July 12th, 2007 at 10:32 pmIn the first place, our shopping malls were completely safe the entire eight years of Clinton.
In the second place, W told us to go shopping after 9/11.
July 12th, 2007 at 10:32 pmm12 shot himself in the foot when he said
Apparently it's still quite easy to obtain radioactive material in the USA --enough to build a dirty bomb. Homeland Security and Bush's Patriot Act have done nothing to protect Americans. There total incompetents.
Oh, and m12's foot was in his mouth when he shot it. Size 13.
July 12th, 2007 at 10:34 pmm12, what kind of psychotic moron are you? Truman was a big lefty? Damn, you are stupid.
July 12th, 2007 at 10:34 pmBut, didn't they say about a month ago that they would no longer count certain types of deaths? Isn't that why the count is lower?
July 12th, 2007 at 10:34 pmComment by m12 — July 12, 2007 @ 10:30 pm
Judging from what I have heard in my area (Northern Virginia), Hillary does not have the votes here. I am hoping for someone with more balls (metaphorically speaking) and, of course, someone who is not a Clinton or an Hussien Obama.
July 12th, 2007 at 10:35 pmm12,
Check this out:
http://zombietime.com/mohammed_image_archive/extreme_mohammed/mohammad1.jpeg
July 12th, 2007 at 10:37 pmDer, Primus, North Carolina is a hillbilly state. Of course a Dem will lose. They like their women hairy.
July 12th, 2007 at 10:37 pmYeah...it's a real shame he has cancer.
July 12th, 2007 at 10:38 pm"Such an improvement. Such a success story." -- Comment by Gregor Samsa
From the same story I cited earlier:
June’s figures were the lowest monthly tally this year.
...the figures suggest a downward trend, which may be due to U.S. military pressure on insurgents in Baghdad and the surrounding areas.
The commander of U.S. forces in Baghdad, Maj. Gen. Joseph F. Fil, Jr., told reporters on Friday that American and Iraqi security forcesnow control nearly half of the 474 neighborhoods in Baghdad — up from 19 percent in April.
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That's a story of improvement. The count isn't going to go to 0 in a month. In fact, it's not 0 in Chicago or DC....far from it.
Try to twist the facts any way you will. They won't go away.
July 12th, 2007 at 10:38 pmFLSteve, when was the last time you believed an Iraqi death count? This time is the first because it is "positive" for you pathetic chickenhawks.
July 12th, 2007 at 10:39 pmComment by JPark — July 12, 2007 @ 10:37 pm
I'm from VA, and NC girls are hot!
But you are right a dem will lose in '08!
July 12th, 2007 at 10:39 pm"But, didn’t they say about a month ago that they would no longer count certain types of deaths? Isn’t that why the count is lower?" -- Comment by Keith G
Interesting...can you get a source for that? I'd be interested in knowing it if it's true.
July 12th, 2007 at 10:39 pmApparently it’s still quite easy to obtain radioactive material in the USA –enough to build a dirty bomb. Homeland Security and Bush’s Patriot Act have done nothing to protect Americans. There total incompetents.
So why haven't terrorists done it?
July 12th, 2007 at 10:41 pmSaveTheChildren.org says that one in eight Iraqi children now die before the age of five. In Afghanistan, one in four.
Another study said Iraq was the second worst failed state in the world---only Sudan was worse.
True number of dead is around one million. True total cost is $2.3 Trillion.
July 12th, 2007 at 10:41 pm"FLSteve, when was the last time you believed an Iraqi death count? This time is the first because it is “positive†for you pathetic chickenhawks." -- Comment by JPark
I'm sure you cared about it...until it dropped. And, BTW, is this the only way liberals can argue, by slinging words like "pathetic chickenhawks"? It reminds me of Ann Coulter's comment -- all these college liberals can do is throw food. That's the verbal equivalent. Nice technique.
July 12th, 2007 at 10:41 pmWell, Primus, you might be right but only because the Dems will nominate a Republican Lite.
July 12th, 2007 at 10:42 pmJudging from what I have heard in my area (Northern Virginia), Hillary does not have the votes here. I am hoping for someone with more balls (metaphorically speaking) and, of course, someone who is not a Clinton or an Hussien Obama.
Why don't they just take Chuck Hagel? Pro cut and run, pro amnesty, he's their kinda guy!
July 12th, 2007 at 10:42 pmFLSteve, then why are you in the States if you aren't a chickenhawk? Let me guess...you can do more for the war effort here. That is classic. By the way, I am not surprised anything reminds you of Ann Coulter's comments...you manly woman, you.
July 12th, 2007 at 10:44 pmI’m from VA, and NC girls are hot!
But you are right a dem will lose in ‘08!
Comment by Mr. President
Like you care about hot girls ... what a joke.
July 12th, 2007 at 10:45 pm"But you are right a dem will lose in ‘08!"
Comment by Mr. President
All any democratic candidate has to do is quote any republican candidate's support for Bush's policies, and do a slow visual morph from the candidate to Bush. "No More Bushes" will become America's new theme.
July 12th, 2007 at 10:45 pmTry to twist the facts any way you will. They won’t go away.
Comment by FLSteve — July 12, 2007 @ 10:38 pm
"Twisting the facts"? The 1,200 deaths per month figure is right there, in the link you provided.
Talking about facts, the fact that Iraqis are dying at a clip of 1,200 per month (or more, according to the article) is already a sign that the strategy, overall, has failed.
Weren't the US troops going to be "greeted as liberators"? Wasn't the occupation supposed to end a tyrannical regime that tortured and killed Iraqis by the thousands?
Iraqis are still being tortured, bombed, maimed, and killed. Hardly a success story.
July 12th, 2007 at 10:46 pmLOL, shane, I am sensing a very large closet.
July 12th, 2007 at 10:46 pm#132
"m12"
WTF ??? !!!
1. Are you saying that the enemy knows that there are significant amounts of fissionable material in Iraq and we have to fight to keep them from getting it?
If so - why was Cheney concerned that Saddam was working with Niger to get fissionable material if it was already in Iraq?
2. Are you saying that the enemy is dumb enough to IMPORT fissionable material that they may have stolen from somewhere within the Former Soviet Union INTO Iraq - one of the hottest war zones on Earth and right under the nose of the U.S. Military?
Why would they do that?
That would be stupid.
Why not take it to the Pakistan/Afghanistan border where they are relatively (unfortunately because of our shift to Iraq in 2003) unbothered?
3. Are you saying that all of the IED makers in Iraq are also proficient in building nuclear bombs from scratch? And that they all have the proper documentation to board a flight to the U.S. and get through customs without hassle?
How does an Iraqi IED maker get fissionable material?
How does he turn it into a nuclear bomb?
How does he get himself from there to here?
How does he get the nuclear bomb from there to here?
Do you know how hard it is to detonate a proper nuke?
I think the "Terror Pimps" have got their hooks into you, my friend.
July 12th, 2007 at 10:46 pmFLSteve, then why are you in the States if you aren’t a chickenhawk? Let me guess…you can do more for the war effort here. That is classic. By the way, I am not surprised anything reminds you of Ann Coulter’s comments…you manly woman, you. -- Comment by JPark
More solid debating technique from JPark. This guy's a real piece of work.
July 12th, 2007 at 10:46 pm"It reminds me of Ann Coulter’s comment — all these college liberals can do is throw food. That’s the verbal equivalent. Nice technique."
Comment by FLSteve
And you're complaining about others' debating skills?
That's rich.
July 12th, 2007 at 10:50 pmSnow is wrong. Iraq is already destabilized. Removing troops would be an improvement. We have already lost influence in the Middle East. Our presence in Iraq is making us less safe. Our presence is used as a recruiting tool by the insurgents. We are seen as invaders and occupiers instead of liberators. Bush has been wrong about all his predictions in connection to this war. He has no credibility. If Snow says that the region will be destabilized, the opposite is probably true because they have been wrong so often.
More and more people are dying because of the civil war in Iraq. Our only option is to leave. Snow is once again playing the fear card. This rationale is false. They use fear when it helps politically, but ignore real warnings like the latest NIE report when it is politically expedient to do so. I wish Snow and Bush would address the hike in US deaths in Iraq. The surge has clearly failed. That is why the Joint Chiefs of Staff came out against the surge. That is why Gen. Casey was replaced because he disagreed with Bush.
July 12th, 2007 at 10:50 pmFLSteve, you are still here sucking Mai-tais while others die in your place. You are a wimp.
July 12th, 2007 at 10:51 pmApparently it’s still quite easy to obtain radioactive material in the USA –enough to build a dirty bomb...
Comment by david — July 12, 2007 @ 10:34 pm
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Oh hell yeah, it's a piece of cake!
Shit, in most strip-malls you'll find at least two or three nuclear waste distributors!
July 12th, 2007 at 10:51 pmSnow: Iraq Withdrawal Would Bring Terrorists ‘To A Shopping Mall Near You’
Was he just threatening the American people?
July 12th, 2007 at 10:51 pmJPark, a hundred thousand (or few hundred thousand) rag heads mean nothing to the big, bad American chickenhawk sitting in front of his computer instead of fighting the good fight.
Sick, disgusting, a$$holes who aren't worth the air they breathe.
Go blow O'Reilly or Hannity. All the hard core NeoCons seem to love man on man sex. Hope you swallow - oh wait, you already do (well, the bull$hit, at least).
July 12th, 2007 at 10:51 pmMore solid debating technique from JPark. This guy’s a real piece of work.
Comment by FLSteve
Are you going to answer the question, or are you a blog critic?
July 12th, 2007 at 10:52 pmJP, the first part of the last message was for you. But you're smart enough to know that. ;-)
July 12th, 2007 at 10:52 pmTony Snow's comment is the stupidest thing anyone could say to justify this war. NOW, while the troops are IN Iraq, is the perfect time to attack our shopping malls. WHILE THE TROOPS ARE AWAY!!!
How long do we have to listen to the Rethug fools before we do whay is necessary to get our democracy back?
July 12th, 2007 at 10:52 pmGus, probably as long as it takes to instill a full, no option out draft where the chickenhawks kids get sent away.
The war would end in hours, not days.
July 12th, 2007 at 10:53 pmThe surge has clearly failed. That is why the Joint Chiefs of Staff came out against the surge. That is why Gen. Casey was replaced because he disagreed with Bush. -- Comment by Probus
This is incorrect. Casey was replaced in January, when the surge strategy was announced, not later, after it "failed" (Probus' word).
July 12th, 2007 at 10:53 pmLOL, shane, I am sensing a very large closet.
Comment by JPark
There isn't a closet big enough for Mr. P, and I mean that in a couple of ways.
July 12th, 2007 at 10:54 pmA Flash (or two) from the Past...
2002 WorldNetDaily.com
2005 WorldNetDaily.com
I wonder what ever became of these BS plans. LOL!
July 12th, 2007 at 10:54 pmMsJoanne, I figured. You are right. They sit here and defend their "honor"...sort of, I have never really had one of these neo-con a$$holes really give me a good excuse as to why they are not soldiers.
July 12th, 2007 at 10:55 pmI think the “Terror Pimps†have got their hooks into you, my friend.
Comment by Beavis
I thin ur12's head just asploded. What a mess.
July 12th, 2007 at 10:56 pmHow long do we have to listen to the Rethug fools before we do whay is necessary to get our democracy back?
Comment by Gus Smith — July 12, 2007 @ 10:52 pm
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YOUR democracy!
You liberals lost when you embraced Marxism!
July 12th, 2007 at 10:56 pmAre you going to answer the question, or are you a blog critic?
Well, actually, I guess I am a blog critic. :-) I'm also an *undisclosed* number of years beyond the age at which the services accept enlistments.
July 12th, 2007 at 10:56 pmComment by FLSteve
And you’re complaining about others’ debating skills?
That’s rich.
Comment by barfly
Really quoting Man Coulter earns FLSteve so much respect. Next he'll be telling us was Limpballs has to say.
July 12th, 2007 at 10:57 pmUm, FLSteve, do you want a LIST of generals and politicos that have said the surge isn't working? Toad.
July 12th, 2007 at 10:58 pmFLSteve, if you are to old to enlist you might as well die. It would be good for the US.
July 12th, 2007 at 10:59 pmThis is incorrect. Casey was replaced in January, when the surge strategy was announced, not later, after it “failed†(Probus’ word).
Comment by FLSteve
Perhaps you could give us the exact location of Osama Bin Laden.
Quit straining over minutae. Why aren't you serving in Iraq? Florida is a long way away from the action.
July 12th, 2007 at 10:59 pmWell, actually, I guess I am a blog critic. :-) I’m also an *undisclosed* number of years beyond the age at which the services accept enlistments.
Comment by FLSteve
So am I. So? I'd prefer an answer to JPark's question.
July 12th, 2007 at 11:00 pma hundred thousand (or few hundred thousand) rag heads mean nothing to the big, bad American chickenhawk sitting in front of his computer instead of fighting the good fight.
Sick, disgusting, a$$holes who aren’t worth the air they breathe.
Go blow O’Reilly or Hannity. All the hard core NeoCons seem to love man on man sex. Hope you swallow - oh wait, you already do (well, the bull$hit, at least).
Comment by MsJoanne
You go girl. You expressed everything I'm feeling.
July 12th, 2007 at 11:00 pmAs the level of argument from the Bush Gang degrades in intelligence you will see more and more Republicans running for re-election start running away from questions about Iraq.
Bush is trying to deal with the American Public using third-grade rhetoric. The current round of polls indicate the Public is not buying it. Even if you assume the Bush Gang is evil and operating in their own self-interest, you would expect them to use more sophisticated techniques to keep from getting thrown out of office.
How in the world can Bush further the interests of this country if he uses these kinds of arguments when dealing with Russia or Europe. I can only imagine how he does when he or members of his Gang have to work out negotiations with other countries on issues like trade or commerce.
If I were a conservative and supported everything Bush is doing in Iraq I would call for his removal from office just based on how badly he is attempting to argue for his position. The image he presents to the rest of the world must lead them to see the U.S. as a nation of shambling morons.
July 12th, 2007 at 11:01 pmEvery troll is too old for service. But not too old to show their ignorance...
July 12th, 2007 at 11:01 pmMr. President, I said 'our democracy'. I include all Americans; we have all lost under Bush although some just won't recognize the fact. Democracy works if you don't fear it, or resent others having our freedoms.
July 12th, 2007 at 11:02 pmI’m also an *undisclosed* number of years beyond the age at which the services accept enlistments.
Comment by FLSteve
Unlike the rest of the patritotic trolls that frequent TP.
July 12th, 2007 at 11:03 pm*patriotic*
July 12th, 2007 at 11:03 pmComment by FLSteve — July 12, 2007 @ 10:53 pm
This is incorrect. Casey was replaced in January, when the surge strategy was announced, not later, after it “failed†(Probus’ word).
Both the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and Casey came out against the surge before it was implemented. I am aware that Casey was replaced before the surge failed. Petraeus took his place. Yes, the surge has failed.
July 12th, 2007 at 11:06 pmEgreggious, they are always too old to serve but not old enough to be a drain on the economy. It is amazing, they all must be 45.
July 12th, 2007 at 11:07 pmWell, actually, I guess I am a blog critic. :-) I’m also an *undisclosed* number of years beyond the age at which the services accept enlistments.
Comment by FLSteve
Aren't you the coy one? Having trouble making up a specific date? Why not use Jake's, since he's not around. Jake is "75".
Pretty convenient being "too old", but then you must have had your combat service at an earlier age, right?
Care to share that?
July 12th, 2007 at 11:08 pmWell, actually, I guess I am a blog critic. :-) I’m also an *undisclosed* number of years beyond the age at which the services accept enlistments.
Comment by "FLSteve" — July 12, 2007 @ 10:56 pm
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"FLSteve"
Try Blackwater Security
You are probably well within their age limitation.
Email your resume and qualifications to
hr@blackwaterusa.com
Good luck.
July 12th, 2007 at 11:08 pmhttp://www.zeitgeistmovie.com
July 12th, 2007 at 11:10 pmFuk it!
Why serve?
That's what the army is for!
July 12th, 2007 at 11:11 pmFLSteve served in the Korean war too???
July 12th, 2007 at 11:11 pmBeavis, nice info. Mr. President, are you going to get a job with BW?
July 12th, 2007 at 11:12 pmAren’t you the coy one? Having trouble making up a specific date? Why not use Jake’s, since he’s not around. Jake is “75″.
Pretty convenient being “too oldâ€, but then you must have had your combat service at an earlier age, right?
Yes, I hereby apologize for the year of my birth. Sorry, I should have thought it through in advance.
I came of age after Vietnam, when even registration for the draft had been done away with. I guess that disqualifies me from an opinion on the conduct of foreign affairs.
Come to think of it, I guess Bill Clinton, who "escaped" to Oxford during Vietname and led anti-war protests from afar, should be disqualified also.
It appears as though several posters are more interested in debating about me than about Iraq. Is that because you have nothing to say on Iraq? I found it interesting how the original article headlined increasing violence there, which flies in the face of the facts I posted.
If you're interested in discussing the topic, please proceed. If not, well, I guess we'll have to draw some conclusions from that.
July 12th, 2007 at 11:14 pmMr. President, are you going to get a job with BW?
Comment by JPark — July 12, 2007 @ 11:12 pm
Fuk it!
That's what the old guys are for!
July 12th, 2007 at 11:15 pmhttp://www.zeitgeistmovie.com
Comment by olaf — July 12, 2007 @ 11:10 pm
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So.....
You're a drug addict hippie?
July 12th, 2007 at 11:15 pmFLSteve, didn't you notice Egs Blackwater info? Get a job, you bum!!
July 12th, 2007 at 11:16 pmOops, sorry, Beavis's info. Coward.
July 12th, 2007 at 11:16 pmCan't take credit for BW info.
That was the awesome Beavis.
July 12th, 2007 at 11:17 pmFLSteve, why should anybody take you seriously. You could go over there but you don't. You don't actually think it is serious enough to risk your life (don't worry, liberals agree with you...oil isn't THAT important).
July 12th, 2007 at 11:17 pmFLSteve, didn’t you notice Egs Blackwater info? Get a job, you bum!!
I am helpless in the face of such rhetorical genius.
July 12th, 2007 at 11:19 pmMr. President, are you going to get a job with BW?
Comment by JPark — July 12, 2007 @ 11:12 pm
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I'll come up with strategies and shit... and I have thought about designing weapons... so... maybe!
July 12th, 2007 at 11:21 pm"Yes, I hereby apologize for the year of my birth. Sorry, I should have thought it through in advance.
I came of age after Vietnam, when even registration for the draft had been done away with. I guess that disqualifies me from an opinion on the conduct of foreign affairs."
Well since you can't prove any of it, why did you think posting this would convince anyone of your reasons for not enlisting? This is your version of debate? Posting unproveable crap? Simply astounding.
July 12th, 2007 at 11:21 pmFLSteve sez:
Given the record of ducking service that this current administration boasts, you might want to think twice before making avoidance of military service an issue.
July 12th, 2007 at 11:21 pmNo dying for you, Primus?
July 12th, 2007 at 11:22 pmFLSteve, then why are you in the States if you aren’t a chickenhawk? Let me guess…you can do more for the war effort here. That is classic. By the way, I am not surprised anything reminds you of Ann Coulter’s comments…you manly woman, you. — Comment by JPark
More solid debating technique from JPark. This guy’s a real piece of work.
Comment by FLSteve
debating? If you support the war put your body where your mouth is, or you are a CHICKENhawk.
You could actually join my old unit with the Rangers, if you have the guts.
Fort Bragg is known as the "Home of the Airborne and Special Operations Forces.
What is it, you a man or a chicken, like the other trolls around here?
July 12th, 2007 at 11:23 pmHonestly, all of you war supporters. Why are you not fighting? If it is important enough for us to fight it is important enough for YOU to fight.
July 12th, 2007 at 11:23 pmFLSteve,
You mentioned Clinton avoiding service, but left out the 1,000 conservative politicians who avoided service. And the many Democrats who did serve in Vietnam.
And if someone is opposed to a war, aren't they supposed to not serve?
July 12th, 2007 at 11:24 pmIf you go to the shopping malls in Orange County California, you see a lot of Vietnamese. So, maybe Snow is right.
July 12th, 2007 at 11:25 pmThere is no such thing as too young or too old. You can find a way if you feel so strongly. But you are all pussies.
July 12th, 2007 at 11:26 pmF*ck eyerack, I ain’t fightin’ no sand monkeys. That’s what the army is for moron. Their job is to fight FOR ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
July 12th, 2007 at 11:27 pmComment by Mr. President — June 6, 2007
C'mon Steve, let's debate your lack of moral fiber.
July 12th, 2007 at 11:28 pmF*ck eyerack, I ain’t fightin’ no sand monkeys. That’s what the army is for moron. Their job is to fight FOR ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Comment by Mr. President — June 6, 2007
Comment by Keith G — July 12, 2007 @ 11:27 pm
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Hey, that's my line Keithy boy, you'll have to get your own!
July 12th, 2007 at 11:29 pmClinton had to protest overseas because who you study constitutional law as well as he did, you are awarded a Rhodes Scholarship and they send you to Oxford.
July 12th, 2007 at 11:30 pmNo dying for you, Primus?
Comment by JPark — July 12, 2007 @ 11:22 pm
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I plan on dying of an OD when I am about 28 or so.
July 12th, 2007 at 11:30 pmNow look, we can't possibly risk instability in the Middle East. If the Iraq occupation is the price for keeping the Middle East peaceful and productive, blissfully quiet and happy, it's worth every life and billion.
Oh, wait....
July 12th, 2007 at 11:30 pmI came of age after Vietnam, when even registration for the draft had been done away with. ---FLSteve
So did I but I served anyway, I joined, served and fought for my country.
July 12th, 2007 at 11:32 pmI'm 49 now, how old are you? The draft ended when I turned 18.
If you are 45 you can still sign up now, I believe, they are desperate for anyone.
They don't want me and my leg full of titanium back, I tried after 9/11.
Did you? Or did you just want others to bleed for you like the Mr. P piece of crap troll here?
"...the figures suggest a downward trend, which may be due to U.S. military pressure on insurgents in Baghdad and the surrounding areas."
Comment by FLSteve — July 12, 2007 @ 10:38 pm
This reminds me of the commercials for some type of cereal: 'some studies suggest that (blah blah) helps to reduce the risk of colon cancer in some patients." Yeah, "some studies" (no source) "suggest" as opposed to "definitively show" (whatever it is they're claiming. Just vague enough to imply truth.
July 12th, 2007 at 11:32 pmHonestly, all of you war supporters. Why are you not fighting?
So, JPark, did you support Clinton's action in Kosovo? Did you enlist? It's not too late -- we still have people there.
Do you support the UN mission in Lebanon? If so, why are you here?
How about Darfur?
You have no arguments on Iraq that can hold water. Admit it. You're intellectually bankrupt.
You avoid the topic of this discussion because you can't defend your arguments, so you set up a false debate and convince yourself that you're winning.
If you have anything to say of substance on the topic of the Iraq war, knock yourself out. But I already know the answer to that -- it's been amply demonstrated.
July 12th, 2007 at 11:32 pmI am so overdue, Primus.
July 12th, 2007 at 11:32 pmthat should have been "when" you study
July 12th, 2007 at 11:33 pmFLSteve, you speak of Kosovo. Why would I sign up when they had everything under control? Nobody died.
Darfur? Who is fighting over Darfur? Should I join up for Darfur? No, because the US is ignoring it. Der.
July 12th, 2007 at 11:34 pmI am so overdue, Primus.
Comment by JPark — July 12, 2007 @ 11:32 pm
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By the way, I am a firm believer in the saying "You're only as old as you feel"
And I feel like I'm 16 y/o!
July 12th, 2007 at 11:35 pmFLSteve, you keep throwing sh!t against the wall to see if it will stick. Sorry, this isn't Republican constitutional law.
July 12th, 2007 at 11:35 pm"...the possibility of terrorists following us home after leaving Iraq... "
This talking point still cracks me up. I've said it before, do the "terrorists" not know where the United States is located? They can only get to the United States by following us? Jeez!
July 12th, 2007 at 11:36 pm"So, JPark, did you support Clinton’s action in Kosovo? Did you enlist? It’s not too late — we still have people there."
There was no shortage of troops in Kosovo.
July 12th, 2007 at 11:36 pmjust what is it that you are attempting to debate FLSteve?
July 12th, 2007 at 11:37 pmNot a single US death in Kosovo under Clinton.
250,000 died there under GHWB, but he did not act.
July 12th, 2007 at 11:37 pmWhen bin Laden and his men were in Pakistan, how is us starting a war in IRAQ going to prevent them from attacking the US?
July 12th, 2007 at 11:39 pm"You avoid the topic of this discussion because you can’t defend your arguments, so you set up a false debate and convince yourself that you’re winning."
And you just did the same thing with your Kosovo comment. We weren't hurting for troops during Kosovo, and the costs were also borne by others, not just us.
July 12th, 2007 at 11:39 pmI plan on dying of an OD when I am about 28 or so.
Comment by Mr. President
Why the unnecessary wait?
July 12th, 2007 at 11:39 pmI’ll come up with strategies and shit…
Comment by Mr. President — July 12, 2007 @ 11:21 pm
Well, you're half-right anyway.
July 12th, 2007 at 11:40 pmWayne sez:
I know I've done this before, but it can't be said enough.
Wayne, thank you for your service and the sacrifices you have made on behalf of our nation. We owe you a debt we can never repay.
July 12th, 2007 at 11:40 pmF*ck eyerack, I ain’t fightin’ no sand monkeys. That’s what the army is for moron. Their job is to fight FOR ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Comment by Mr. President — June 6, 2007
Comment by Keith G — July 12, 2007 @ 11:27 pm
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Hey, that’s my line Keithy boy, you’ll have to get your own!
Comment by Mr. President
Be glad you don't live near me, and me hear you say that CHICKEN.
July 12th, 2007 at 11:40 pmYour biggest fear wouldn't be terrorist across the sea after you met me, I can tell you that.
My little sister who served and bled in the current Iraq conflict is more of a man than you will ever be. P*ssy
I wonder how many tours did the average soldier do in Kosovo? 4th or 5th? How many supplementals were cooked up to pay for Kosovo? Were the soldiers supplied with the proper equipment? Was there a cohesive plan for success?
July 12th, 2007 at 11:40 pmIf you go to the shopping malls in Orange County California, you see a lot of Vietnamese. So, maybe Snow is right.
July 12th, 2007 at 11:40 pm"And I feel like I’m 16 y/o!"
Comment by Mr. President — July 12, 2007 @ 11:35 pm
Well, that's not much of a stretch from your real age! Hey, sometimes even I feel like I'm 16 again.
July 12th, 2007 at 11:41 pmTime to catapult the fear propaganda.
Chimpys machine does this every time the Dems try to stop the war.
July 12th, 2007 at 11:43 pmNot a single US death in Kosovo under Clinton.
250,000 died there under GHWB, but he did not act.
Comment by Keith G — July 12, 2007 @ 11:37 pm
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Keith G.
Why are you trying to skew the facts?
In your first line you talk about US lives, then in your second line you say "250,000 died there under GHWB"!
Who are these 250,000?
Are they US lives?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!!?!
If not, why did you not mention all of the foreign lives lost under Clinton?
July 12th, 2007 at 11:44 pmSo how does Tony Snowjob know that terrorists are coming to a shopping center near you?
Let me guess...a gut feeling.
July 12th, 2007 at 11:46 pmComment by Wayne — July 12, 2007 @ 11:40 pm
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OooOOOooOOOoOOOOOooo!
I'm pissin' in m' pants right now!!!!
July 12th, 2007 at 11:46 pmhEyOOOOOOooooooooooOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
So nearly 4000 Americans have died to keep our shopping malls safe?
July 12th, 2007 at 11:48 pmAnd where does Snow get this information? From a mentally ill prisoner whom the CIA and FBI ruled as untrustworthy. From a past TP post referencing an excerpt from Ron Suskind's book, "The One Percent Doctrine":
http://thinkprogress.org/2006/06/20/torture-mentally-ill-prisoner/
July 12th, 2007 at 11:49 pmYou have no arguments on Iraq that can hold water. Admit it. You’re intellectually bankrupt.
You avoid the topic of this discussion because you can’t defend your arguments, so you set up a false debate and convince yourself that you’re winning.
If you have anything to say of substance on the topic of the Iraq war, knock yourself out. But I already know the answer to that — it’s been amply demonstrated.
Comment by FLSteve
I'm talking to you trollboy, why are you ignoring me?
I served, Nicaragua, haiti, desert storm and many anti-terrorist operations. I was wounded 3 times, Desert storm ended my military carear.
I can tell you the Iraq War II was started over lies, the real action should have stayed in Afghanistan where the real Al Qaeda still is. Bush has totally f*cked up. That is from someone who has experience in anti-terrorist operations.
Prove to me different "MR I support Bush".
"I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority."
- G.W. Bush, 3/13/02
"I am truly not that concerned about him."
- G.W. Bush, repsonding to a question about bin Laden's whereabouts,
3/13/02 (The New American, 4/8/02)
Read those quotes and tell me again why you support the F*ck-up-in-Chief.
July 12th, 2007 at 11:52 pmIf not, why did you not mention all of the foreign lives lost under Clinton?
Comment by Mr. President
Well, last night you were criticizing Clinton for not going in Rwanda and stopping the killings.
And at the time, every Repub squealed that Clinton would kill our troops.
And Bush has killed 3600 of our troops.
July 12th, 2007 at 11:52 pmBush let bin Laden go at Tora Bora. He didn't send reinforcements to our troops who were ready to take him out. Finding and killing bin Laden should have been the number one priority for Bush. Instead he took his eye of the ball. He outsourced the job to locals in Afghanistan and bin Laden got away. Now al Qaeda is back to its full strength since before 9-11. This is Bush's fault. Bush shut down the CIA unit that was supposed to hunt down bin Laden. Instead he moved resources from Afghanistan to Iraq which has nothing to do with 9-11 or bin Laden. We are less safe because of his actions. He is accountable to the American people.
July 12th, 2007 at 11:53 pmComment by Keith G — July 12, 2007 @ 11:52 pm
So what are trying to say...
Clinton did it too?
Okay!
July 12th, 2007 at 11:55 pmComment by Probus — July 12, 2007 @ 11:53 pm
I've already explained all of that.
July 12th, 2007 at 11:55 pmIt figures Chimpy would get his intel from a nutjob.
After all, Chimpy's a nutjob too.
July 12th, 2007 at 11:56 pmWayne, thank you for your service and the sacrifices you have made on behalf of our nation. We owe you a debt we can never repay.
Comment by TripMaster Monkey
Thanks again Trip.
I don't regret my service or the wounds I gained from it.
I know the military is not for everyone, but these chickenhawks really make me want to puke.
July 12th, 2007 at 11:58 pmMr. Pee-pants in particular is beneath contempt.
No, I am saying that Clinton gets criticized by you no matter what he does do or does not do. You do not hold Bush I nor Bush II to the same standards. Clinton took action to STOP a genocide. He did not lose one single troop Bush took action that CAUSED a genocide and lost 3600 of our troops. And you Despise Clinton and adore Bush. You are moronic.
July 12th, 2007 at 11:58 pmSo nearly 4000 Americans have died to keep our shopping malls safe?
Comment by Ted — July 12, 2007 @ 11:48 pm
Haven't you heard? The terrorists want to take away our freedom to go to Sears and buy t-shirts and stuff.
Seriously...the terrorists "fighting us over there" are doing nothing to take away our freedoms here in America. People are still taking vacations, still having fireworks and cookouts on the 4th of July, still going shopping when and where they please, still buying cars, still mowing the lawn, still going deer hunting, still watching 340 channels on DirecTV, still going to outdoor concerts, etc. despite the attacks on 9/11 and despite the alleged plots to attack that have been discovered and stopped.
Snow and everyone else in this administration can go fk themselves each time they tell us the terrorists hate us for our freedoms.
The terrorists would be over here, coming across our still unprotected borders, and we'd be seeing many more attacks, or plans for attacks broken up.
July 12th, 2007 at 11:59 pmI’ve already explained all of that.
Comment by Mr. President
I didn't where anyone was asking you to explain anything.
July 12th, 2007 at 11:59 pmThanks anyway.
Rummy let Osama go again, in 2005.
We were ready to hit his new base in Pakistan.
But Rummy called it off. He was afraid of offending Musharraf.
July 13th, 2007 at 12:00 amI agree with what Probus said in #57, except I would add that Iraq is the #2 in world in oil. Cheney's Task Force divided up Iraq's oil fields in MARCH 2001.
July 13th, 2007 at 12:01 amHe did not lose one single troop Bush took action that CAUSED a genocide and lost 3600 of our troops. And you Despise Clinton and adore Bush. You are moronic.
Comment by Keith G — July 12, 2007 @ 11:58 pm
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There you go usin' that "c" word again!
July 13th, 2007 at 12:01 amI thought I schooled you well enough last night, seems you need to review your notes!!!
I’m pissin’ in m’ pants right now!!!!
Comment by Mr. President
Your pants are chronically wet, Mr. Pee-pants.
July 13th, 2007 at 12:01 amThere you go usin’ that “c†word again!
I thought I schooled you well enough last night, seems you need to review your notes!!!
Comment by Mr. President
Can you just be quiet for once?
July 13th, 2007 at 12:03 amWe have to fight the terrorists over there.
So we don't have to fight them in shopping centers over here.
July 13th, 2007 at 12:03 am“I don’t know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don’t care. It’s not that important. It’s not our priority.â€
- G.W. Bush, 3/13/02
“I am truly not that concerned about him.â€
- G.W. Bush, repsonding to a question about bin Laden’s whereabouts,
3/13/02 (The New American, 4/8/02)
Read those quotes and tell me again why you support the F*ck-up-in-Chief.
Comment by Wayne — July 12, 2007 @ 11:52 pm
Resident Troll Tracy once responded to these quotes, after I posted them, with something like this:
"And you took him seriously?"
July 13th, 2007 at 12:04 amComment by Zooey — July 12, 2007 @ 11:59 pm
July 13th, 2007 at 12:04 amhttp://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/12/snow-terrorists-shopping/#comment-3932398
Comment by WC
But we can't go to the ballpark in San Diego. They got gays there.
July 13th, 2007 at 12:04 amFLSteve, where did you go?
Why don't you debate me?
Why can't you answer?
Cut and run steve, i'm talking at you.
**crickets chirping**
July 13th, 2007 at 12:05 amWow.
Somebody's an angry drunk!
July 13th, 2007 at 12:07 amI think most Wal-Mart parking lots are prepped and ready for the jihad, what with all the rednecks and their shotgun racks in pickups...
July 13th, 2007 at 12:08 amOf course I am allowed to say that Bush's invasion CAUSED an extra one million deaths in Iraq. What do you think the increase was due to? Coincidence?
July 13th, 2007 at 12:08 amThat's a good boy Mr Pee. Admitting your failures is the first step (of 12).
July 13th, 2007 at 12:09 amHey Tony! Remember these blasts from the past???
Secretary of State Colin Powell emphatically said yesterday that if the incoming Iraqi interim government ordered the departure of foreign troops after June 30, they would pack up without protest, but emphasized he doubted such a request would be made.
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… “If the provisional government asks us to leave, we will leave,†Bremer said, referring to an Iraqi administration due to take power June 30. “I don’t think that will happen, but obviously we don’t stay in countries where we’re not welcome.â€
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Bush Said He Would Withdraw U.S. Forces If The Iraqis Asked
On Monday, Iraqi political leaders called on the U.S. to set a timetable for withdrawal. In January, President Bush said that if asked by the Iraqis, U.S. forces would leave the country:
President Bush said in an interview on Thursday that he would withdraw American forces from Iraq if the new government that is elected on Sunday asked him to do so, but that he expected Iraq’s first democratically elected leaders would want the troops to remain as helpers, not as occupiers.
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What else was it that Bush said? Oh yeah...that the generals on the ground in Iraq would determine when we could leave Iraq.
So which is it, Mr. President? Our generals get to decide, or members of the Iraqi government? Can you please make up your fkn mind?
July 13th, 2007 at 12:10 amResident Troll Tracy once responded to these quotes, after I posted them, with something like this:
“And you took him seriously?â€
Comment by WC
lmao
tracy contradicts himself on the same threads most the time.
July 13th, 2007 at 12:10 amI have caught him several times.
He is as consistant as a puddle of diarhea on a hillside
Somebody’s an angry drunk!
Comment by Mr. President
Excuse me? Where do you get off saying something like that to me?
July 13th, 2007 at 12:11 amComment by RUCerious
Pee and Flaccid keep calling Zooey a drunk. And it is really peeing me off.
July 13th, 2007 at 12:11 amZooey,
Flaccid called you a drunk twice the other night AFTER you left.
July 13th, 2007 at 12:13 amOf course I am allowed to say that Bush’s invasion CAUSED an extra one million deaths in Iraq. What do you think the increase was due to? Coincidence?
Comment by Keith G — July 13, 2007 @ 12:08 am
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Well, Keith, in the real world, explanations of actions and conflicts aren't that simple.
We, in the respectable scientific community, tend not to use the word "cause" with the vulgar sense in which it is used in the market-place.
So yes, if you please, you may, of course, say whatever you like.
July 13th, 2007 at 12:13 amIt's very rich when the Bush supporters come here accusing anyone of being "intellectually bankrupt" or "twisting the facts".
This is the crowd that supports an invasion and occupation launched on false premises ("we know where they are...", "we will be greeted as liberators", etc.), and that still continues to support the Bush strategy even though it's obvious to its own architects that is is a complete failure.
Anybody who considers 4million displaced, and about half a million "excess death" to be a success is morally bankrupt and
July 13th, 2007 at 12:13 amtwistingcompletely ignoring the facts.I believe Flaccid did it two or three nights.
July 13th, 2007 at 12:14 amFlaccid called you a drunk twice the other night AFTER you left.
Comment by Keith G
Lovely.
July 13th, 2007 at 12:14 amWe, in the respectable scientific community
comment by Pee
Exactly what community college is that and what are you scientifically studying you little liar?
July 13th, 2007 at 12:16 am“And you took him seriously?â€
Comment by WC — July 13, 2007 @ 12:04 am
I had a similar experience. He tried very hard to convince me that Pres Bush was being "sarcastic".
You see, Tracy is the official interpreter of The Decider's words. Only he can know if we should take Pres Bush's words at face value or not.
July 13th, 2007 at 12:16 amYou are talking about the butchering of one million human beings in order to take their oil.
Wayne is right. YOU ARE BENEATH CONTEMPT.
July 13th, 2007 at 12:17 amExactly what community college is that and what are you scientifically studying you little liar?
Comment by Keith G — July 13, 2007 @ 12:16 am
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I do not attend a community college.
Conflict.
July 13th, 2007 at 12:18 amMr President,
You owe me an apology.
July 13th, 2007 at 12:18 amSomebody’s an angry drunk!
Comment by Mr. President
talking to me Pee-Pants?
July 13th, 2007 at 12:19 amI am laughing my ass off at your cowardice.
Mr President,
You owe me an apology.
Comment by Zooey — July 13, 2007 @ 12:18 am
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July 13th, 2007 at 12:19 amFor what?
I had a similar experience. He tried very hard to convince me that Pres Bush was being “sarcasticâ€.
Comment by Gregor Samsa — July 13, 2007 @ 12:16 am
I can't remember for sure but Bush may have given a big old smiling wink after he made these comments. Maybe that's what Tracy was referring to.
July 13th, 2007 at 12:20 amfor calling her an angry drunk?
July 13th, 2007 at 12:21 amI am laughing my ass off at your cowardice.
Comment by Wayne — July 13, 2007 @ 12:19 am
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July 13th, 2007 at 12:22 amWell, at least you don't sound constipated anymore!!!!!
heYooOoooooOOOOOOOOoooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
A shopping mall near me?
hmmm
Will there be a piano recital first or are they just going to start blowin sh$t up?
July 13th, 2007 at 12:22 amThe shoppng mall near me should be blown up. It's hideous!
July 13th, 2007 at 12:24 amComment by Egreggious — July 13, 2007 @ 12:20 am
This is what he was referring to, it applies to bin Laden as well:
July 13th, 2007 at 12:25 amhttp://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/12/snow-terrorists-shopping/#comment-3932408
You owe me an apology.
Comment by Zooey
Worms don't apologize for being worms
July 13th, 2007 at 12:26 amPee,
Yor parody of an idiot is compelling, but I do think you go over the line when you taunt our resident goddess as a drunk.
July 13th, 2007 at 12:29 amSorry for all the typos. My computer's sluggish tonight.
July 13th, 2007 at 12:29 amMaybe that’s what Tracy was referring to.
Comment by Egreggious — July 13, 2007 @ 12:20 am
You actually made me look it up.
Pres Bush smiles at some point, but the smirk seems directed at the reporter asking the question -as he begins to dismiss the question ("terror is more than one man"). Towards the end, when he says "I don't spend that much time thinking of him" he is dead serious. Not a sarcastic smile, not a wink.
Check it out here
July 13th, 2007 at 12:30 amYor parody of an idiot is compelling,
Comment by Egreggious — July 13, 2007 @ 12:29 am
That is no parody.
I agree with the rest of your post.
July 13th, 2007 at 12:31 amheYooOoooooOOOOOOOOoooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Comment by Mr. President
Your only debate points are used up for the night now.
July 13th, 2007 at 12:31 amExclamation points that is.
Comment by Egreggious — July 13, 2007 @ 12:29 am
Wayne knew I was talking to him. Zooey just assumed it was about her.
July 13th, 2007 at 12:31 amYou are talking about the butchering of one million human beings in order to take their oil.
Wayne is right. YOU ARE BENEATH CONTEMPT.
Comment by Keith G — July 13, 2007 @ 12:17 am
But, see, in BushWorld it is better that we killed the Iraqi civilians instead of Saddam. I guess you could say we had to kill them to prevent them from being wiped out by an evil dictator.
July 13th, 2007 at 12:32 amAnd I feel like I’m 16 y/o!
Comment by Mr. President
Funny, you act like you're 8.
July 13th, 2007 at 12:32 amComment by Gregor Samsa — July 13, 2007 @ 12:30 am
You must know that I make up just about eveything I post here.
If it's good enough for the trolls...
My God, I have no dignity or self-respect left.
July 13th, 2007 at 12:32 amWayne knew I was talking to him. Zooey just assumed it was about her.
Comment by Mr. President
Only because you and your little butt buddy have been saying it days, assh*le.
July 13th, 2007 at 12:32 amYou all are a bunch of blabbering idiots!
July 13th, 2007 at 12:33 amI've provided the link to my post which explains the plan!
That is no parody.
I agree with the rest of your post.
Comment by Gregor Samsa
Yep, Mr. Pee-Pants is what he posts.
July 13th, 2007 at 12:34 amlol
Zooey,
I owe me an apology.
July 13th, 2007 at 12:34 amNeocondicksucker=Muslimshiteater=16 year-old
July 13th, 2007 at 12:35 amYep, Mr. Pee-Pants is what he posts.
lol
Comment by Wayne — July 13, 2007 @ 12:34 am
Impossible! Wouldn't his head simply implode if this were true?
July 13th, 2007 at 12:35 amwe should stay in iraq then, abercrombie is too importnant to me
July 13th, 2007 at 12:40 amI owe me an apology.
Comment by Mr. President — July 13, 2007 @ 12:34 am
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Mr. President,
I'm sorry I let you give Zooey the benefit of the doubt. She obviously doesn't discriminate between your posts and Flaco's posts, but rather, she lumps them all together. This gives her an endless supply of material to make false accusations. It is my fault, I should have known, and I apologize.
July 13th, 2007 at 12:40 amhttp://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/
July 13th, 2007 at 12:40 amYou all are a bunch of blabbering idiots!
I’ve provided the link to my post which explains the plan!
Comment by Mr. President
Your post only explains what kind of demented moron you are.
July 13th, 2007 at 12:40 amPut down the crack pipe before posting to a blog next time.
Next, we will hear of some "turist" trying to board a plane with an exploding jock strap. Can you imagine, the TSA perverts (are they former Catholic Priests) with have a field day.
Remember people....FEAR sells, and FEAR keeps people voting for Cro-Magnons.
July 13th, 2007 at 12:40 amNeocondicksucker=Muslimshiteater=16 year-old
Comment by Mr. Shit-fer-brains — July 13, 2007 @ 12:35 am
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= YOUR KING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
July 13th, 2007 at 12:41 amWayne,
That's how these guys think!!!
MAKE WAY FOR THE NEW AMERICAN CENTURY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
YOU CAN EITHER ROLL WITH US...
July 13th, 2007 at 12:43 am... OR YOU WILL BE TRAMPLED UPON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yep, Mr. Pee-Pants is what he posts.
lol
Comment by Wayne — July 13, 2007 @ 12:34 am
Impossible! Wouldn’t his head simply implode if this were true?
Comment by Egreggious
You may be correct
July 13th, 2007 at 12:45 amroflmao
http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/ check this out
July 13th, 2007 at 12:45 amI’m sorry I let you give Zooey the benefit of the doubt. She obviously doesn’t discriminate between your posts and Flaco’s posts, but rather, she lumps them all together. This gives her an endless supply of material to make false accusations. It is my fault, I should have known, and I apologize.
Comment by Mr. President
You and Flaco feed off each other, and you are indistinguishable idiots. You're both scum.
July 13th, 2007 at 12:46 amYOU CAN EITHER ROLL WITH US…
… OR YOU WILL BE TRAMPLED UPON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Comment by Mr. President
Please come to austin texas and try, please do.
July 13th, 2007 at 12:46 amPlease come to austin texas and try, please do.
Comment by Wayne — July 13, 2007 @ 12:46 am
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I'll be goin' to UT Austin in about 2 years!
See Ya Then!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
July 13th, 2007 at 12:49 amYou and Flaco feed off each other, and you are indistinguishable idiots. You’re both scum.
Comment by Zooey
So true
July 13th, 2007 at 12:49 amI say we report mr Pee-pants posts on muslum%&^$#@#
They decided to delete his racist posts one day, maybe they will eventually ban the idiot.
I’ll be goin’ to UT Austin in about 2 years!
See Ya Then!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Comment by Mr. President
Let me know, I will rent the local boxing ring for the 3 seconds it will take to make you a puddle.
July 13th, 2007 at 12:51 amComment by Wayne — July 13, 2007 @ 12:49 am
That's why I said "Muslimsh*teater"
Nice try though.
Not really.
July 13th, 2007 at 12:51 amSo true
I say we report mr Pee-pants posts on muslum%&^$#@#
They decided to delete his racist posts one day, maybe they will eventually ban the idiot.
Comment by Wayne
He's been warned. I'll see how it goes. If I do report him, I won't put it here. My fellow TP commenters shouldn't have to put up with hundreds of whiny posts by that idiot.
July 13th, 2007 at 12:53 amLet me know, I will rent the local boxing ring for the 3 seconds it will take to make you a puddle.
Comment by Wayne — July 13, 2007 @ 12:51 am
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You're going to pee in the boxing ring, to make a puddle for me?
Umm... is that like, a Texas thing?
July 13th, 2007 at 12:53 amComment by BARTLEBEE — July 13, 2007 @ 12:22 am
(chuckle, snort) :D
July 13th, 2007 at 12:53 amThat’s why I said “Muslimsh*teaterâ€
Nice try though.
Not really.
Comment by Mr. President
Still a racist slur and you know it.
July 13th, 2007 at 12:54 amLet me know, I will rent the local boxing ring for the 3 seconds it will take to make you a puddle.
Comment by Wayne
Won't do any good, Wayne. I tried to hook him up w/ some of my female martial arts friends one time and he avoided it like Duh-bya ducking military service.
July 13th, 2007 at 12:55 amStill a racist slur and you know it.
Comment by Wayne — July 13, 2007 @ 12:54 am
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nah
July 13th, 2007 at 12:55 amHe just slurred 1,2000,000,000 people and he enjoys it.
July 13th, 2007 at 12:55 amYou’re going to pee in the boxing ring, to make a puddle for me?
Comment by Mr. President — July 13, 2007 @ 12:53 am
I heard you swung that way.
July 13th, 2007 at 12:56 amWell, BARTLEBEE is here, so I guess my troll shift is over.
You can take it from here bartles!!!!
July 13th, 2007 at 12:58 amHey, don't go away.
I need someone to beat up on.
July 13th, 2007 at 12:59 amYou’re going to pee in the boxing ring, to make a puddle for me?
Umm… is that like, a Texas thing?
Comment by Mr. President
Show up and find out, if you have the guts.
Your choice, boxing, full contact matial arts or down and dirty no holds barred.
The place i work out at has a nice padded ring so you don't bump your noggin on it too badly.
maybe you will supprise me and make this old man break a sweat.
I don't bluff and I don't back down.
Let me know when.
You are the one named Mr. Pee
July 13th, 2007 at 1:01 amMade recently. Deals with manipulation of public information and shared belief systems.
Deals with the Global Banking Groups, Religion, 911, False flag events, connections between Bush Family and Bin Laddens…very good film. 2 hours.
Some great stuff in there about how the Lusitannia, Gulf of Tunkin, Pearl Harbor, and 911 all have very striking similarities.
http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/
There is one video, that I remember seeing and talking about, the video CNN showed of Bin Ladden’s confession after 911.
The video is frozen and a picture of him is put on the screeen, 4 pictures…it’s not Bin Ladden in the video.
You got to see it. Nelson Rockefeller talking to a guy before 911 about “something is going to happen and we will go into Iraq, Afganistan, and Venizualaâ€
July 13th, 2007 at 1:02 amI believe it Willy.
July 13th, 2007 at 1:05 am"Nelson Rockefeller talking to a guy before 911..."
Comment by willyloman — July 13, 2007 @ 1:02 am
Are you sure that you mean Nelson? Isn't there a David Rockefeller involved in all this? I'm pretty sure that Nelson's quite dead.
July 13th, 2007 at 1:08 amsnow continues to attempt his snow job but only the idiots will buy it. bush...a clown, a loser and a failure. he always has been and he always will be. the worst president. he should go back to taking more days of vacation than any president did in the first term...play his golf and ignore what terrorist attacks are going to happen...just like he did on 9/11..what a classic failure. he needs his daddy and the money to bail him out all the time. we all know he spent america's surplus and created the largest debt that requires us to borrow most of our money from china. thanks bush...you did a heck of a job
July 13th, 2007 at 1:08 ami've known about alot of this stuff for awhile, but I never knew that in some circles, it is a given. Accepted as due course of political evolution.
There is an audio recording of JFK at the end of the second part, where he is talking about the very system of govenment that Cheney is putting in place. run by executives of military companies and banking conglomerates. you guys, if you haven't seen it, you should.
July 13th, 2007 at 1:10 amyeah, it is one of those guys, i don't really hang out with them.
July 13th, 2007 at 1:11 amWon’t do any good, Wayne. I tried to hook him up w/ some of my female martial arts friends one time and he avoided it like Duh-bya ducking military service.
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity
hell my little sister would probably wipe the floor with him, and she is still stiff from all the surgery scar tissue after getting back from Iraq.
My dad, retired Air Force, had me and my sisters in martial arts classes from the time we all turned 6 years old. My 2 sisters are 4 and 16 years younger than me.
My daughter just passed her 3rd dan test a few months ago.
July 13th, 2007 at 1:13 amMy 3 sons kinda stopped taking lessons after reaching 1st or 2nd dan. She can whup all 3 of them at the same time and she is only 5'2"
Its Funny as heck watching her floor her big brothers ( all 6' or taller ) in a sparring match LOL
Goodnight all, I'll be gone for a while.
I'm sick of the shit around here.
July 13th, 2007 at 1:15 amWayne,
I believe you really did scare Mr. P this time. He wet his pants, went running to hide under his mommy's bed, assumed fetal position, and is sucking his thumb as we speak.
Shame on you... (well, ok, not really. I'd pay to see that
July 13th, 2007 at 1:15 amfightbeating)I’m sick of the shit around here.
Comment by Zooey
What happened? what did I miss?
July 13th, 2007 at 1:16 amI hope to see you back soon Zooey...I get pretty sick of all the shit too. I don't come on often...but always enjoy your posts! see ya
July 13th, 2007 at 1:19 amGoodnight all, I’ll be gone for a while.
I’m sick of the shit around here.
Comment by Zooey — July 13, 2007 @ 1:15 am
Zooey.
You have got to stop taking this stuff so personally. Who cares about the trolls or the bs. Just make them eat text.
July 13th, 2007 at 1:22 amI really get tired of the chimpy/snowjob lying and fear mongering. It makes me wonder... AGAIN...why do the repugs hate our country?
July 13th, 2007 at 1:22 am'Night, Zooey!
July 13th, 2007 at 1:23 amIts Funny as heck watching her floor her big brothers ( all 6′ or taller ) in a sparring match LOL
Comment by Wayne
Told ya he'd duck.
Of all the organized human activities I've been involved in in this lifetime, the only one I have no qualms about and wish I had done more is the martial arts. The arts NEVER lie to you.
July 13th, 2007 at 1:29 amShame on you… (well, ok, not really. I’d pay to see that fight beating)
Comment by Gregor Samsa
hehe, I wish he would show, but he is all talk about violence against others at a distance. I would actually just play with the child not hurt him. Never have injured anyone in a sparring match yet other than a few bruises. I have pretty good control for an old fart =)
I like sparring and working out, keeps me old bones loosened up.
I’m sick of the shit around here.
Comment by Zooey
Zooey hope you didn't get mad at my testosterone splashing.
July 13th, 2007 at 1:30 amMy apologies if that was it.
=(
Whatever happened to “Exley?â€
I hope he did not experience an aneurysm defending the Bush administration.
Comment by Beavis
Yeah...that would be a tragic loss.
July 13th, 2007 at 1:32 amGood I hate shopping malls. Maybe the terrorists can help eliminate those jackass kids at the foodcourt.
July 13th, 2007 at 1:32 amThe arts NEVER lie to you.
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity
So true.
July 13th, 2007 at 1:33 amIt will show you who you really are.
And the arts are more than fists and feet flying, it is about inner control.
And the arts are more than fists and feet flying, it is about inner control.
Comment by Wayne
Totally. Some of the most eriudite, articulate, aware human beings I have ever met were martial artists. I live in the SF Bay Area and we are SOOO lucky to have the martial arts community here we do - Korean, Chinese, did I mention Chinese? And Japanese, Indonesian... you name it, we got it.
Ther was a time when almost all my friends were serious martial artists.
July 13th, 2007 at 1:36 am“Nelson Rockefeller talking to a guy before 911…â€
Comment by willyloman — July 13, 2007 @ 1:02 am
Are you sure that you mean Nelson? Isn’t there a David Rockefeller involved in all this? I’m pretty sure that Nelson’s quite dead.
Comment by Jane E. Schneider — July 13, 2007 @ 1:08 am
But he died before 911, didn't he. She didn't say how long before 911. Ah, the old Ouiji board grapevine in actions (sarcasm) :-D
July 13th, 2007 at 1:37 amMy dad, retired Air Force, had me and my sisters in martial arts classes from the time we all turned 6 years old. My 2 sisters are 4 and 16 years younger than me.
My daughter just passed her 3rd dan test a few months ago.
Comment by Wayne
You were lucky to have a father like that.
What exactly (style) did your daughter get her 3rd dan in?
July 13th, 2007 at 1:39 amComment by BigNoseKate — July 13, 2007 @ 1:37 am
Someone brought up a David Rockefeller on a thread the other night (sorry, I'm too tired to remember exactly when), in regard to AIPAC or PNAC, possibly, that's why I thought willyloman might mean him. Willy, you still awake?:-)
Hey, maybe Nelson's Ouija Board Grapevine was what caused Chertoff's 'gut' to sound the alarm! :D
July 13th, 2007 at 1:46 amTher was a time when almost all my friends were serious martial artists.
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity
The arts helped me to recover after Desert Storm better than all the physical therapy I got in the hospital put together. Without the inner control I was taught, I would never have completely overcome my injuries.
I was listed as 25% disabled when i left the hospital. I don't consider myself disabled at all now.
July 13th, 2007 at 1:52 amNow and then the nerves from my ankle will shoot pain all the way to my jawbone ( how it feels, nerve damage is weird sometimes ) but only when I overdo it and push a bit too hard.
Sounds nasty (what you describe...). What was the injury (if it's okay to ask...)? What style do you do? I've done mostly Chinese (e chuan, and some other not too common stuff) and had a very dear friend who was a 6th degree blackbelt in Tai Kwon Do. He was very generous w/ me. I feel lucky to have had the teachers I have had in this lifetime.
July 13th, 2007 at 1:59 amYou were lucky to have a father like that.
What exactly (style) did your daughter get her 3rd dan in?
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity
tang su do and she also has a 2nd degree in hakido, she is nothing short of pure awsome with cane techniques, she can take me down in the blink of the eye.
My sons took lessons, since about 6 or 7, but she was always copying me when i worked out almost since she could walk.
Naturally Blonde, 5'2" and cute as hell , you would never know it looking at her heh
July 13th, 2007 at 2:03 amnot blonde right now, she died her hair red a while back for some reason. /shrug =)
tang su do and she also has a 2nd degree in hakido, she is nothing short of pure awsome with cane techniques, she can take me down in the blink of the eye.
Comment by Wayne
Tang su do? Korean? Almost everything my friend showed me in Tai Kwon Do was gold. I've seen some demos w/ canes and it was pretty cool stuff. Ever seen a man named Wally Jay demonstrate? Professor Jay, as he was called, is dead now but his students still teach his stuff - Small circle Jiujitsu. Extremely impressive. He'd get ahold of someone by one finger and they'd be flopping around on the mats like a fish out of water.
Man, this is bringing back memories. I told ya Mr. P would split. I'd love to see your daughter tie his sorry a** in a knot for him.
July 13th, 2007 at 2:10 amSounds nasty (what you describe…). What was the injury (if it’s okay to ask…)?
My ankle and lower leg were shattered, right leg, I have titanium screws holding all the bones below the knee together, except for the foot bones. When it first happened, they thought they would have to amputate, thank goodness they didn't.
Sometimes those military doctors will cure a hangnail by taking off at the knee =)
What style do you do?
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity
tang su do, hapkido, and my first martial art my father made me take was Judo/jujitsu, not the brazilian type that is so popular now days, Wally Jay's style ( small circle Jujitsu )
July 13th, 2007 at 2:15 amI tried shaolin and wing chung, while station at Fort Bragg but didn't stick with those. Was deployed too may times.
Ever seen a man named Wally Jay demonstrate? Professor Jay, as he was called, is dead now but his students still teach his stuff - Small circle Jiujitsu. Extremely impressive. He’d get ahold of someone by one finger and they’d be flopping around on the mats like a fish out of water.
hehe now thats funny, I was busy typing my last reply and didnt see this post =)
July 13th, 2007 at 2:18 amYeah he was awsome.
Tang su do? Korean?--- The Republic of Stupidity
Yes, Korean, the same style Chuck Norris does.
July 13th, 2007 at 2:21 amIt is real close to okinowan shotakan in the forms, slight variations
"tang su do, hapkido, and my first martial art my father made me take was Judo/jujitsu, not the brazilian type that is so popular now days, Wally Jay’s style ( small circle Jujitsu )
I tried shaolin and wing chung, while station at Fort Bragg but didn’t stick with those. Was deployed too may times."
Comment by Wayne
Ah, so you know who Wally Jay was! Gorgeous technique. You sound like a right educated man, sir! Pleased to make your acquaintance. I've heard that judo is good for kids because they like the tumbling and motion right off the bat.
Sounds like a hideous wound you had there. Glad to hear you kept the leg and recovered to the degree you did. I think the whole world would be a safer, saner place if everyone studied martial arts.
July 13th, 2007 at 2:22 amhehe now thats funny, I was busy typing my last reply and didnt see this post =)
Yeah he was awsome.
Comment by Wayne
Yeah, I just did the same thing. Cracked me up too!
Chuck Norris was/is a pretty tough son of a gun. I remember watching one episode of "Texas Ranger" when he first met his black sidekick. He and the black guy decided to play a little pattycake, as we used to call it. Chuck just kept kicking the guy on the thigh until he couldn't move.
Yes, it's staged, but I could see Chuck's point. How do you deal w/ that?
My Tai Kwon Do friend, back when I first met him, once told me, "I can hit you 50 times on the shoulder and you can't block one punch..."
And I'm like, "Bring it on, dude..." I managed to catch im once, AFTER he landed the punch, on his way out. Once in fifty times. Talk about humbling.
July 13th, 2007 at 2:29 amI’ve heard that judo is good for kids because they like the tumbling and motion right off the bat. --- The Republic of Stupidity
Yeah that's the first thing they teach, how to fall, roll and tumble, before you ever learn your first throw, keeps you from getting injured. Then they start on being taken down, leg sweep first, then moving into more advanced flips and throws.
July 13th, 2007 at 2:32 amYeah that’s the first thing they teach, how to fall, roll and tumble, before you ever learn your first throw, keeps you from getting injured. Then they start on being taken down, leg sweep first, then moving into more advanced flips and throws.
Comment by Wayne
Never studied judo. Wish I had. One of my friends had a black belt in judo, a black belt in karate, and THEN, got seriously into preying mantis (Brendan Lai). He was one scary dude even in his 60's, but I liked him a lot.
I'd like to get into wrist locks... how to immoblize someone so they just have to go along w/ the agenda, and no one gets hurt, unless they're dumb... :-)!!!
July 13th, 2007 at 2:37 amAnd I’m like, “Bring it on, dude…†I managed to catch im once, AFTER he landed the punch, on his way out. Once in fifty times. Talk about humbling.
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity
My First Tang Su do instructor a Mr. Lawler was 75 years old and could wipe the floor with anyone in the school.
He moved like liquid lightning
He made us do backhand techniques with a sawed off broomstick under our arm pits, if it hit the floor when we did a backfist to the bag we had to so 50 pushups =)
I have never sparred anyone that wasn't in that school that can block my backfist.
July 13th, 2007 at 2:40 amI’d like to get into wrist locks… how to immoblize someone so they just have to go along w/ the agenda, and no one gets hurt, unless they’re dumb… :-)!!!
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity
it is all in the forms ;)
The secret is to see past the obvious.
Every strike is also a blow, every blow is also a strike, and hidden within are the locks and throws.
The best Seminar I ever went to that unlocked all that for me was with George Dilman, the master of the one touch knockout.
July 13th, 2007 at 2:47 amI went to about 6 of his seminars, he taught how to learn and see the real secrets behind kata
Really awsome stuff, I think he has a few books out on it as well.
I have never sparred anyone that wasn’t in that school that can block my backfist.
Comment by Wayne
What's the point of the broomsticks - make you keep your elbows tight to your body?
I think people are soft these days. You never get peace thru weakness, only thru strenght.
July 13th, 2007 at 2:48 amThe best Seminar I ever went to that unlocked all that for me was with George Dilman, the master of the one touch knockout.
I went to about 6 of his seminars, he taught how to learn and see the real secrets behind kata
Really awsome stuff, I think he has a few books out on it as well.
Comment by Wayne
Never heard of George Dilman. I've seen, and had, one-inch punches demonstrated on me (phonebook on the shoulder and get ready to fly!!!). Is that what the one-touch knockout is?
July 13th, 2007 at 2:53 amWhat’s the point of the broomsticks - make you keep your elbows tight to your body?
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity
it teaches you speed.
you must strike the bag and then pull back your arm to the staring position catching the sticks , not letting it fall far enough that it hits the floor.
July 13th, 2007 at 2:55 amWhen you do the technique correctly your arm is as fast as a bullwhip, the power of the backfist is in the snap and the control of the depth of the strike.
When you get it right you can blow out candles with the wind created by the backfist. =)
The power of the blow is amazing as well, boards break like kindling and it looks like you just tapped it with your knuckles
The power of the blow is amazing as well, boards break like kindling and it looks like you just tapped it with your knuckles
Comment by Wayne
Okay... sounds good to me! I just went and Googled Mr Dillman. He had a little bit of video demonstrating pressure-point technique. PFC! (Pretty F*cking Cool!!!) I had heard bits and pieces about that over the years, but that was the first time I had seen it like that. Extremeley interesting stuff - the Vulcan nerve pinch!
If you have a minute, Google "Cheuk Fung". He was my main teacher (e chuan and tai chi). An incredibly fast, powerful puncher and a devoutly spiritual man. Still one of my favorite people I've met in this lifetime.
I have to go to bed, Wayne. I've seen your posts often of late. If you come back to TP, I'm sure we'll cross paths again. Nice meeting you!
July 13th, 2007 at 3:05 amIs that what the one-touch knockout is?
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity
Pressure points, he claims to be able to know out someone by hitting the right pressure point, I have seen him do it and work, sometimes it didn't, probably differnt physialogy with the subject.
found his web site
http://www.dillman.com/
He has his critcs as well, especially on the pressure point theories hehe
I prefer a good solid hit if I go for a knockout =)
His theories on the forms having locks and throws works, i can say from personal experience.
July 13th, 2007 at 3:09 am
July 13th, 2007 at 3:47 am†††††††††††††GOD BLESS President BUSH †††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††AND VICE PRESIDENT Cheney †††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††GOD BLESS AMERICA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Somebody’s an angry drunk!
Comment by Mr. President
Excuse me? Where do you get off saying something like that to me?
Comment by Zooey
THe troll was talking about it's crush the boy king!
July 13th, 2007 at 6:26 amRepublicans everywhere are on their knees praying:
"O LORD! PLEASE LET THERE BE ANOTHER TERROR ATTACK IN AMERICA! I DON'T CARE HOW MANY PEOPLE GET KILLED, SO LONG AS IT HURTS THE DEMOCRATS!"
That's how much the Right love America.
July 13th, 2007 at 7:18 amI feel sorry for Tony Snowjob. I mean come on, the guy has cancer and so presumably must be aware that while facing what is most probably his last days before heading off to his ultimate accountabilty with the real Decider. And so he continues to condeme his own soul by profiting lies to protect his earthly master and try to scare all the little bunds with his midnight tales of dire woe and bugga-boos that go thump in the night.
How anyone could sell their soul is hardly something new in the scope of human history, but for the price of his salary? Man, Tony boy you go cheap son.
July 13th, 2007 at 7:31 amI guess they can't think of anything else to waste their money on.
July 13th, 2007 at 8:01 amI have actually met a few people who thought the war in Iraq was over, naturally, these were mid-westener republicans visiting D.C. lol.
July 13th, 2007 at 8:03 amJust outright bull---- from these guys. Again, that is their last resort, fearmongering. They've got nothing left.
July 13th, 2007 at 8:33 amBoo!
Im scared arent you?
Think for a second. Terrorists are utterly self-limitting; they blow themselves up. The only way 'win' is if we waste our lives and resources bringing the 'fight to them.' This isnt rocket science ya know.
July 13th, 2007 at 9:53 amAnd another thing...
A 'shopping mall' - terrorists are going to bring the greatest military power in History to its knees by blowing up Cinnabun and Payless Shoe stores?
Wow.
I guess Snow is smart enough not to mention real targets (Nuke power plants, Industrial Chemical plants, toxic waste dumps); wouldnt want to draw attention to the fact the administration has done nothing to protect these vital locations...
July 13th, 2007 at 10:01 amShopping malls are terrifying enough already. But empirical evidence shows that once at the mall, the terrorists will have lunch at sbarro, a starbuck's mocha and play video games instead of do anything important or destructive.
But that aside, isn't Tony Snow conducting terrorism? Check it out if anyone scrolled down this far):
ter·ror·ism /ˈtɛrəˌrɪzəm/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[ter-uh-riz-uhm] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
July 13th, 2007 at 10:32 am–noun 1. the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, esp. for political purposes.
2. the state of fear and submission produced by terrorism or terrorization.
3. a terroristic method of governing or of resisting a government.
It looks like Zooey is just sick of slander and troll crap. I'll miss you babes, don't stay gone long.
July 13th, 2007 at 11:14 amMall attacks!!!
Brought to you by the masters of fear manipulation.
Busco
What a bunch of lame asses.
July 13th, 2007 at 11:31 amIt looks like Zooey is just sick of slander and troll crap.
Comment by Lurker — July 13, 2007 @ 11:14 am
Really? I actually feed off of it.
July 13th, 2007 at 11:37 amShopping malls are terrifying enough already. But empirical evidence shows that once at the mall, the terrorists will have lunch at sbarro, a starbuck’s mocha and play video games instead of do anything important or destructive.
Comment by cjmartinez — July 13, 2007 @ 10:32 am
:|
I think I saw one in Brookstone sitting in the massage chair.
July 13th, 2007 at 11:41 amSame old tired scare tactics, I see. You'd think that somebody in that WH would have a LITTLE creativity and come up with something new.
1. What's stopping terrorists from attacking our shopping malls (or bridges, or power plants, or skyscrapers) now? Do you really think they're sitting around in a sleeper cell saying, "gee, we would really like to blow up the Sears Tower and kill a couple of thousand people in one fell swoop -- but gosh-darnit, we need to go pick off American soldiers one by one in Iraq first!" Does anyone REALLY think that we are preventing terrorist attacks here by fighting them there?
2. Are we supposed to believe that Iraq is the keystone of the entire world? First -- Iraq is already pretty destabilized, and our continuing presence is doing nothing to help (true -- we were the ones who destabilized it, but we need to find a non-military way to try to fix it since the military way isn't working). Second -- a destabilized nation can affect neighboring nations, but to suggest it will spread from one continent to the next until this "destabilization" reaches our shopping malls (wonder what a destabilized shopping mall looks like?) is really overreaching. Get a grip, neocons. We swallowed this whole bill of goods during the Cold War -- back then it was called the "Domino Theory".
Nope -- this horse is dead. Whip it all you want, but it's not going to get up and gallop for you again.
July 13th, 2007 at 11:45 amUnless we separate ourselves from Muslims-including ejecting them from the US-it's likely we will see terrorist acts within the country, regardless of
July 13th, 2007 at 11:45 amwhere our Hessians are and what they are doing.
#400 Unless we separate ourselves from Muslims-including ejecting them from the US-it’s likely we will see terrorist acts within the country, regardless of
where our Hessians are and what they are doing.
Comment by Rantly McTirade
SO since Timothy McVeigh was Scottish, we need to exclude all Scottish people too? What a paranoid @ssclown! Gewt out of mom's basement and get a life, you will feel better. Trust me!
July 13th, 2007 at 11:53 am– The U.S. has already “lost influence†in the region. In a poll of 18 countries, the percentage of “saying that the United States is having a mainly positive influence in the world†dropped
Is there nothing that can't be definitively determined by asking members of the public to guess at an answer ?
Has anyone thought to conduct a public opinion poll regarding when Iran's nuclear weapons program will pose a threat ?
Sure you could have experts review sites and production activity, but calling 1005 people during dinner and asking them their opinion about it is so much quicker. And accurate. And meaningful. And not at all ridiculous.
July 13th, 2007 at 12:01 pm– The war in Iraq has already destabilized the Middle East and exported terrorism throughout the world.
Holy fkn christ are you optimistic if you think this is a destabilised middle east.
WTF have you ever read about the middle east if you think this is destabilised ?
This. Where apart from the perpetual clusterfk of palestine, not one shaky regime has been overthrown by radicals and not one civil or cross border war has broken out. In a region where cars backfiring is enough to set this kind of crap off.
FFS get a clue or a fkn education you arseclowns. You're just embarassing yourselves.
July 13th, 2007 at 12:17 pmWhen will Snow get it right? The scare tactics are so 2003.
July 13th, 2007 at 12:27 pmWell, its obvious folks, the goverment wants us to live in fear. Should we put up with this? How can we allow this behaviour to continue on? The Elite ruling class wants us asleep so we'll remail a docile, apathetic, passive heard of consumers, and non-participants in the true agenda of our governments -- which is to keep us spearate, and present and image of a world filled with unresolvable problems, that they, and only thye might one day, somewhere in the never -arriving future, be able to solve. Just stay asleep America.
July 13th, 2007 at 1:32 pmIs there nothing that can’t be definitively determined by asking members of the public to guess at an answer ?
Sure you could have experts review sites and production activity, but calling 1005 people during dinner and asking them their opinion about it is so much quicker. And accurate. And meaningful. And not at all ridiculous.
Comment by Kilo — July 13, 2007 @ 12:01 pm
Quite a lot of things, actually. In fact, pretty much everything except PUBLIC OPINION can be determined more effectively by methods other than a PUBLIC OPINION poll. But when you want to gauge PUBLIC OPINION about something, a poll is indeed the way to go.
Sorry the polls aren't going the way you'd like. Maybe you should try attacking the methodology or the math or some other ridiculous detail so you don't have to face the truth about how the country and the world views this administration.
July 13th, 2007 at 1:55 pmDoes that include strip malls?
July 13th, 2007 at 3:44 pmHeck of a snowjob!
July 13th, 2007 at 3:44 pmSnow is such an imbecile. What does he think Al-Qaeda in Mesopotania and various satellites groups are doing? Being chivalrous? "As long as you stay in Iraq, Dear Georgie, we'll refrain from bombing your shopping malls?" "The day you leave, however, we'll be boarding planes and boats and trains to get to your shopping malls?"
In addition, what the Snowjob and his Master won't say, is that Al-Qaeda in Mesopotamia was nowhere to be seen before Dubbya invaded Iraq. The morons make no mention of the fact that Iraqa is in the throes of a civil war: Sunnis are battling Shiites, Kurds are battling Arabs, tribal chiefs among the same ethnicity are battling each other...
July 13th, 2007 at 4:56 pmHa Ha--nice try, Tony. I don't go to shopping malls, you evil SOB.
July 13th, 2007 at 5:55 pmIt's pompous guilt-trippers and universalists like 'upside' that keep ensuring that incompetents like Bush(es) and Clinton(s) are able to hang on to 'leadership' positions and that the stumbling attempt to maintain the
July 13th, 2007 at 6:02 pmempitre continue with minimal effective opposition. Muslims cannot be part
of any Western-type civilization or nation; in fact, they are by definition in opposition to it. Or, to be real clear, by Western standards Muslims are the fecal matter of the human race and must be kept out of our countries. By the same standard, we should not be interfering in any way within their countries-they're free to perform all the cliterectomies they wish within their own lands. It's the idiotic and dangerous notion that 'we're all the same, and everybody's equal' that leads to idiocies like the Iraq fiasco and proponents of said nonsense are a bigger threat to the US & the West than Bin Laden,etc.-the greatest enemies are within.
Who is happy in 2007 ....
Oil execs, Arabs, stockholders, oil workers
War industry stockholders, workers
Anyone working in the Belt - the term fiscal conservatism is a term no politician even mentions as a major attribute. We/they all think the BIG Credit Card has no limits
Bin Laden - he laughs aloud everyday about the news (Chimpy being miserable and all ) Hint: $25 million was always a joke amount you f___king mo-ron !
The Chinese military - to keep funding of the war going - and everything else in the out of control Belt - Chimpy has kept the goods coming from China, and they buy our (er, our kids) debt. Toxic toothpaste, food, fruits, meat - you name it. Buy it all at your local ChinaToxMart. (No one gives a shit.) The Chinese are using the cash to build a massive arsenal.
The cancer care industry (see above)
Prothstetic manufacturers - hey, nice civilization we have, eh ?
Incumbent candidates for Republican seats
Murdoch (not every year you get the lead WH stories first all the time)
Oh, and Paris Hilton (it is so cool to be a rich racist whore in America).
In so many ways this is the Fall of Rome. Just as Iraq is Vietnam. Re-runs, students, re-runs of history...
July 13th, 2007 at 10:53 pmBy
You have reached the pinnacle of cluelessness.
In reply to a post pointing out that opinion polls are a worthless guage of a topic, you've suggested instead I should maybe critique the methodology.
And as an American you've told a non-American that he should come to terms with how the rest of the world views America.
Spectacular work.
July 13th, 2007 at 11:23 pmIn so many ways this is the Fall of Rome...
Comment by By By.. — July 13, 2007 @ 10:53 pm
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Indeed, Roman Emperors became to liberal toward the end, it was all down hill from there.
Let's not make the same mistakes here...
CHENEY 2008!!!
July 14th, 2007 at 3:38 amI had a similar experience. He tried very hard to convince me that Pres Bush was being “sarcasticâ€.
You see, Tracy is the official interpreter of The Decider’s words. Only he can know if we should take Pres Bush’s words at face value or not.
Comment by Gregor Samsa — July 13, 2007 @ 12:16 am
I've had a similar experience with Tracy, too.
July 14th, 2007 at 3:39 amBTW, Tracy is still on another thread, ranting at me because I called his admitted reason ("I didn't want to be away from my wife and kids for an extended period of time.") for not being in the war he so much supports "lame." He's calling me a "coward" for not volunteering for the military in peacetime right out of high school, though he has never been in the military himself. Not only is Tracy a hypocritical chickenhawk but he also must be really weak mentally if he can't get over being called "chickenhawk" on a blog by a woman he has never met.
CHENEY 2008!!!
Comment by Mr. President — July 14, 2007 @ 3:38 am
I will repeat what I have already written on another thread: Mr. Pee must really want to see Cheney dead, as there is no way his (poor) health could survive a campaign for president.
July 14th, 2007 at 3:41 amHere's a sure-fire way to end the threat of terrorism in this country:
July 14th, 2007 at 9:57 pm1. Close ALL overseas military bases and bring ALL our troops home.
2. Round up every politician, bureaucrat, and corporate exec who has had an influence in our foreign policy for the last 50 years, put them on trial for mass-murder, convict them, and execute them.
Bin Ladin attacked our military power via the pentagon, our financial power via the twin towers, But Snow has found an even greater power that the terrorists want to attack, our shopping power. What a dope.
July 15th, 2007 at 10:41 amThe only people with enough money to go to the mall are people like G.W, Dickey, and Tony Snow himself. Good riddance. Do your worst.
July 15th, 2007 at 8:45 pmI need another shopping mall like I need a hole in the head!!!
July 15th, 2007 at 8:47 pmI think that after all is said and done, and we have a non-republican in the White House, the new President should appoint George W. as the new ambassador to Iraq. Just to see the look on his face!!!!
July 15th, 2007 at 8:49 pmCoward fearmonger! I hope he dies a slow and painful death from his cancer. What a huge whore!
July 16th, 2007 at 2:15 pm