Lieberman: Bush’s ‘Ratings Among Historians Will Be Greater Than His Ratings In The Polls Today’
Lieberman: Bush’s ‘Ratings Among Historians Will Be Greater Than His Ratings In The Polls Today’
Yesterday in an interview with right-wing radio host Hugh Hewitt, Sen. Joe Lieberman (I-CT) praised President Bush’s policies in Iraq and predicted that Bush will be remembered by historians as a great President:
HEWITT: Oh, that’s fascinating. Last question, how do you think history’s going to evaluate George W. Bush?
LIEBERMAN: Well, I personally believe look, mistakes were made, and I know the polls are down, but I think on the largest issue of our time, which is the rise of Islamist extremism, that he will be judged as a president who saw the threat, and in the midst of an unpopular war, he stuck with it. And so I think overall, over time, his ratings among the historians will be greater than his ratings in the polls today.
Lieberman’s comments echo those by Rush Limbaugh, who in May said, “Long after we’re all dead and gone, when historians who are not yet born begin to write about this era, they’re going to place George Bush in the upper echelon of presidents who had a great vision for America, who looked beyond our shores, who didn’t just restrict himself to domestic policy niceties.”
It’s interesting that now, with the war more unpopular than ever and violence skyrocketing, Lieberman decides Bush is a great president. In contrast, in May 2003, when Lieberman was competing for the Democratic nomination for president, he said the Bush administration “seems to have been unprepared for the quick victory it predicted.” Similarly, in Sept. 2003, Lieberman stated:
I am shocked at how unprepared the Bush administration was for what to do afterward. They’ve left a vacuum which the terrorists, the Saddam loyalists, our enemies, have jumped into.
Rush and Lieberman may not be aware, but historians are already debating Bush’s legacy. In fact, Rolling Stone recently wrote, “Many historians are now wondering whether Bush, in fact, will be remembered as the very worst president in all of American history.”
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No, they won’t. Historians will pull the covers off this corrupt administration and show just how close we are/have come to the dismantling of our form of government.
Joe is still very, very bitter.
July 13th, 2007 at 2:18 pmBush’s ratings among anybody will be greater than his ratings in the polls today.
July 13th, 2007 at 2:19 pmawww, aren’t they cute together??
July 13th, 2007 at 2:21 pmI love this argument.
How do you refute it? Let’s go pluck some historians out of the future and see if Joe’s right.
It’s stupidity.
July 13th, 2007 at 2:22 pmWhen we have secured Iraq for American exploitation, then Bush and Cheney will be seen as heroes!
July 13th, 2007 at 2:22 pmIs Lieberman the new whore in the white house???????
July 13th, 2007 at 2:24 pmAnother thing Loserman is wrong about.
Hehehe. Bush is incompetent.
July 13th, 2007 at 2:24 pmThe only historians who are going to be writing anything positive about this failure are the ones who will be paid to research and write at the presidential library.
July 13th, 2007 at 2:25 pmJoe Lieberman shows that it is still possible to put country over party.
God Bless You Joe!
July 13th, 2007 at 2:26 pmand
God Bless America!
Caption contest:
“Here Mr. President, let me adjust the receiver under your jacket.”
July 13th, 2007 at 2:26 pmJoe has got to be the stupidest person in the world. Sinful pride is all this is about
July 13th, 2007 at 2:26 pmWhat drugs is Joe doing and where can I get some? How is it possible that the Senator, who once was sensible and sound of judgement, has gone so completely around the bend? It is the destiniy of this adminstration to serve as an amazing warning to future administrations. Examine all their decisions, do the opposite and you can’t go wrong.
July 13th, 2007 at 2:26 pmLIEberman filibustered the WEBB / HAGEL amendment
to support the troops…
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July 13th, 2007 at 2:26 pmHe must mean in the Jewish history books.
July 13th, 2007 at 2:27 pmThere it is again: people seem to think that Bush’s term started September 12, 2001. The fact is that he didn’t see the threat until after the worst attack in US history. Give credit where credit is due.
July 13th, 2007 at 2:27 pmNow that was funny. You know, you could get a lot more attention if you focused on this kind of humor more. Sarcasm doesn’t come across all that well in blogs, but straight up humor like this works very well to make others laugh.
July 13th, 2007 at 2:27 pmWOW. This guy is like a cartoon character…Why does he still hold such powerful positions in the Senate?
July 13th, 2007 at 2:27 pmThat must have been some kiss Lieberman got from Bush it’s made him act like a love struck girl. As for history well yes most will be dead but as Americans have believe all these lies for 6 years they most likely will believe this to. Lieberman is sucking up for his retirement money that the White House has been stealing from the US Treasury. People will say anything for money look at some of the TV shows like O’Reilly, Tucker and Tweety. These idiots even sound like they don’t have brains but their paid by the White House to do it. Tony Snow needs the medical insurance so that’s his reason for lying. Tony would have to use HMO and that would kill him.
July 13th, 2007 at 2:28 pmand to think this guy was almost the VP???
It’s official. We are now down to the stems and seeds.
July 13th, 2007 at 2:28 pmI love this argument.
How do you refute it? Let’s go pluck some historians out of the future and see if Joe’s right.
It’s stupidity.
Comment by Egreggious — July 13, 2007 @ 2:22 pm
Didn’t stop #1 and #8 from going into the future to find their own historians.
July 13th, 2007 at 2:30 pmhis ratings among the historians will be greater than his ratings in the polls today.
Really? Let’s go poll us some historians.
Rolling Stone recently wrote, “Many historians are now wondering whether Bush, in fact, will be remembered as the very worst president in all of American history.†—– My guess? he’ll be right up at the top.
Ok, many isn’t necessarily a majority, but you gotta wonder….
July 13th, 2007 at 2:30 pmMaureen Dowd:
“W. thinks history will be his alibi. When presidents have screwed up and want to console themselves, they think history will give them a second chance. It’s the historical equivalent of a presidential pardon.
But there are other things — morality, strategy and security — that are more pressing than history. History is just the fanciest way possible of wanting to deny or distract attention from what’s happening now.”
July 13th, 2007 at 2:30 pmLoserman is the new waterboy for the conservative right. This is his yoke for the support during the last election to keep his senatorial seat. He and Zell Miller should hit the road together, the turncoat democrats could have a vaudeville act. Of course Joe supports the war in Iraq, now his precious Isreal will have a partner in the middle east to watch their backside for the next 50 years.
July 13th, 2007 at 2:30 pmThis is the same reason Reagan needs a paid foundation, “The Reagan Legacy Foundation” to try to make him look good.
Hahahaha!!
July 13th, 2007 at 2:31 pmLieberman has Bush Derangement Syndrome.
July 13th, 2007 at 2:32 pmheadline sequel:
July 13th, 2007 at 2:33 pm“Bush’s Ratings Among Apologists Will Be Even Greater Than Among Historians”
More accurately, Lieberman too will be acknowledged by future historians as a base villain and a traitor, a disgrace to this nation and an pathetic, cruel joke on the world.
July 13th, 2007 at 2:33 pmLIEberman was re-elected in Connecticut based on lies he told. He was not this rabid Bush poodle when he was running for re-election. He questioned the war and Bush’s execution of the war. But he was lying. It’s too bad that the people in Connecticut didn’t believe their lying eyes when they saw LIEberman kiss Bush. That should have told them something!
July 13th, 2007 at 2:33 pmYou know what, Joe’s right. There’s chance that GWB’s approval among historians could skyrocket up to 30% when all is said and done.
July 13th, 2007 at 2:33 pmLieberman for Defense Secretary!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What were you thinking, Mr. President?
July 13th, 2007 at 2:36 pmWhy would you choose some flunky college president to head the freakin Pentagon?
WORST PRESIDENT EVER!!
July 13th, 2007 at 2:39 pm“…he will be judged as a president who saw the threat…”
When exactly did he see this threat? When the previous administration told him all about it? Oh no. He didn’t see it until 9/11. He must’ve read about it in My Pet Goat.
July 13th, 2007 at 2:39 pmAnd Lieberman will be remembered by historians as an Israeli stooge.
July 13th, 2007 at 2:40 pm#32: Funny! He saw the threat when the planes hit the World Trade Center.
July 13th, 2007 at 2:41 pmas for Lieberman, he is so insignificant himself that historians will not even bother to comment about him.
July 13th, 2007 at 2:42 pm“And so I think overall, over time, his ratings among the historians will be greater than his ratings in the polls today.”
Yeah, right, LIEbermann — a greater failure than you can imagine.
July 13th, 2007 at 2:43 pmLieberman is right about Bush.
Brave guy Lieberman….The last sane Democrat.
July 13th, 2007 at 2:43 pmHilarious. Makes you wonder what these two get up to behind closed doors.
July 13th, 2007 at 2:44 pmI love this argument, since it’s the same one I heard over and over and over growing up in a red state in the 70s. It almost became a mantra as the whole ugly mess of Watergate was slowly exposed:
“History will look back at Richard Nixon as one of America’s greatest presidents”
Hey, I thought, they’re the adults- maybe they see something I’m missing. Now I recognize it as the last refuge of delusion to avoid the uncomfortable mental dissonance of knowing you voted for the guy who turned everything to shit.
I dunno- maybe the next 35 years will be kinder to Tricky than the first 35 of post-Nixon “history”, but I’m not holding my breath. And you know, I wouldn’t hold my breath for Dubya’s vindication either.
July 13th, 2007 at 2:44 pmLook - it is much speculated that the GOP has a lot of dirt on JOE. Meaning a lot of dirt on his wife and her (their)work with BIG PHARMA. So MUCH So that it is speculated they in effect the GOP “controls” him from behind the scenes. So it is little wonder why he acts like he does and this is a likely explination. He is and will be a lapdog for this administration and future GOP efforts. This also explains the strange way they all helped (rescued) him last year to snatch a win from the DEMS last year in CT. Joe knows they got him by the balls and he is more than willing to be a Puppet and BushCO his Master.
July 13th, 2007 at 2:44 pmAnd Lieberman will be remembered by historians as an Israeli stooge.
Comment by anna
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Why don’t you just call him an evil hook-nosed Jew?….It’s what you’re thinking afterall.
July 13th, 2007 at 2:45 pmLIEberman will be in the news very soon after dying from an acute koolaide overdose.
Where in the heck are these necons getting these drugs that are this strong?
July 13th, 2007 at 2:45 pmWhy don’t you just call him an evil hook-nosed Jew?….It’s what you’re thinking afterall.
Comment by Ringo the Gringo
we leave racist comments to you neocon clowns
July 13th, 2007 at 2:46 pmWhen’s Joe going to get back to his moral high ground and call for Vitter’s resignation?
July 13th, 2007 at 2:46 pmhttp://hnn.us/articles/5019.html
These historians don’t agree with Joey.
July 13th, 2007 at 2:47 pmCaption Contest:
July 13th, 2007 at 2:48 pm“It was good for me, was it good for you?”
Lieberman is irrelevent by this point in time. I’m sure he makes these idiotic remarks just to get some press.
July 13th, 2007 at 2:48 pmDumbya’s “legacy” was CRAP when he left Texas, and it’s only gotten worse since arriving in DC.
July 13th, 2007 at 2:49 pmAs we’re fond of saying here in the Lone Star state : “Try as you might, you can’t polish a turd.”
I love how the few Bush supporters left look to the unborn for vindication. First off, historians aren’t going to vindicate you. Secondly, even if they did (which again, they won’t), why would that matter? People who haven’t been born yet are probably going to have a less informed opinion of you than we do right now. Well, until the presidential records becoem public about how you politicized (ie messed up) every department and regulatory aspect of the government (which is yet another reason why you won’t be vindicated by historians, and instead, probably will look worse than you do now).
Also (and I know you really really want to believe that historians will vindicate you because otherwise, you have to admit, you’re one gigantic failure), your abilities to predict things aren’t that great. WMD in Iraq, greeted as liberators, last throghs of the insurgency. Hell, you can’t even predict things that have already happened (Lugar breaking with you, no Iraq - 9/11 link, weapons inspectors being allowed into Iraq before you invaded, etc). So, trust me, a guy who didn’t think WMD existed in any significant quantity in Iraq, when I say historians will not vindicate you.
July 13th, 2007 at 2:50 pmGood point - someone should dig up some of Lieberman’s comments about Clinton’s consensual sex and ask him what he plans to say about Vitter.
July 13th, 2007 at 2:50 pmMy lord. What has happened to this man?
Methinks somewhere in the past couple years, the real Joe Lieberman was disappeared, and some GOP programmed robot, or impersonator, or lizard alien, or I- don’t- know- what has taken his place.
The man has completely lost it! By “it”, of course I mean integrity, intelligence, honor, conscience, etc…
July 13th, 2007 at 2:50 pmNotice how Ringo the Gringo’s copy and paste style is exactly like Mr. President.
I’m just reporting, you decide.
July 13th, 2007 at 2:50 pm#48 - We all know you can’t polish a turd, but GW doesn’t. It explains why everything he touches smells like sh*t.
July 13th, 2007 at 2:51 pmLieberman/Vitter 2008!
July 13th, 2007 at 2:51 pm> Brave guy Lieberman….The last sane Democrat.
You are now entering … The Twilight Zone!
July 13th, 2007 at 2:52 pmThat would be The TwiRight Zone.
July 13th, 2007 at 2:53 pmLieberman has to make statements like this, because the alternative is to admit that everything Joe has said about Iraq has been a big steaming pile of lies. In order to concede that the current residents of the White House are incompetent ideologues, incapable of accomplishing the simplest tasks (beyond subverting democracy), he’d have to admit the same flaws himself.
This is Lieberman’s way of saying, “I’m right and Bush is right because he agrees with me.” In other words, he’s modestly telling us that history will judge him to be the greatest senator ever. And, who knows, maybe the baboon still thinks he can end up in the White House himself.
July 13th, 2007 at 2:54 pmNotice how Ringo the Gringo’s copy and paste style is exactly like Mr. President.
I’m just reporting, you decide.
Comment by hellinabucket — July 13, 2007 @ 2:50 pm
It’s in the RNC Stylebook. Doesn’t necessarily mea they’re one and the same.
July 13th, 2007 at 2:54 pmYou gonna slipstream your way to glory behind the worst president this republic will ever have, Joe?
July 13th, 2007 at 2:55 pmRingo the Gringo (aka Ringo)/Flaco/Mr. President/PIP are all the same person posting under different names. With no registration, the screen name is banned and the troll just changes it’s name.
Rinse, repeat.
July 13th, 2007 at 2:55 pmMe thinks Droopy Dog is vyeing for Head Librarian of King George II’s library.
July 13th, 2007 at 2:56 pm“I am shocked at how unprepared the Bush administration was for what to do afterward. ”
July 13th, 2007 at 2:56 pmBush was accustomed to Harriet Myers and daddy fixing DUI’s and mooning State Troopers.
Why not a War?
I would’nt say he is the worst in history(he did not own a slave) I will
July 13th, 2007 at 2:56 pmsay after the first 15 he is the worst.
It’s in the RNC Stylebook. Doesn’t necessarily mea they’re one and the same.
Comment by Egreggious — July 13, 2007 @ 2:54 pm
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True. So is this:
July 13th, 2007 at 2:58 pmhEyOOOOOOOOOooooooOOOOOOOOoooooOOOOOOoooOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Why are Joe and Rush just trying to please people in the future? They didn’t have to LIVE through Bush’s presidency. Shouldn’t they be focused on pleasing the people here now?
Is it more important that historians (who are usually wealthy, or at least middle class) be happy, rather than:
The Iraqis today
Katrina victims
Our children, and even grand children
The victims of 9/1
The 3,000+ dead US soldiers
The African Americans across the country who were turned away from voting
The mentally handicapped who were executed and their families under Gov. Bush
German Chancellor Angela Merkel
… the list can go on, but I’m too busy today to keep typing. You fill out the rest!
July 13th, 2007 at 2:59 pm“…..and I don’t care how many young men and women have to die…as long as my beloved Israel is secure. It’s the honorable thing to do.”
July 13th, 2007 at 2:59 pmI would’nt say he is the worst in history(he did not own a slave) I will say after the first 15 he is the worst.
Comment by Lano — July 13, 2007 @ 2:56 pm
Of course, this criteria doesn’t disqualify Cheney from being the worst VP in history.
July 13th, 2007 at 2:59 pmThis is like reverse reincarnation - your past life can’t be remembered, and won’t help you in this one. In this case, the future can’t be predicted, and it won’t help you now.
Maybe Lieberman can run for VP in 2060.
July 13th, 2007 at 3:00 pmThere was an excellent article in this months vanity fair, on why bush is not Truman. It also lays out the history aspect, that the white house is pushing, and how silly it is.
July 13th, 2007 at 3:02 pmnot saying much when his approval ratings are at 26% — you only need three right wing loonies to give him a pass and technically the liebermeister is right. though i don’t think that’s what he meant.
July 13th, 2007 at 3:02 pmBushes ratings will be higher..
See now he’s only rated for killing about 700,000 from Iraq, he’s really going for about 22 million.
July 13th, 2007 at 3:02 pmSpudge,
I am both Ringo and Ringo the Gringo (moonbat photographer)….I take no credit for the others.
Here’s some of my pictures:
http://flickr.com/ photos/ 83951787@N00/ sets/ 72157600008146856/ show/
http://www.littlegreenfootballs.com/ weblog/ pictures/ LAProtest092405/ ?imgIndex=36&autoShow=6
http://www.littlegreenfootballs.com/ weblog/ pictures/ 20060318HollywoodProtest/
July 13th, 2007 at 3:03 pmIt is mutiny time!
July 13th, 2007 at 3:03 pmThe Joker,
Did you say you were an isolationist?
If so, why don’t you think that the US should take an aggressive military position to wipe out Islamo-Stalinism?
July 13th, 2007 at 3:03 pmComment by Spudge_Boy — July 13, 2007 @ 2:55 pm
suspected as much. Whatever happened to the trolls that had substance.
July 13th, 2007 at 3:04 pmBush = Great Failure architect of a failed war no matter what poodle-head Lieberman says America will hold him accountable for this colossal blunder “war on terror” 9/11 it all points to Bush the real terrorist to our civil rights and our Constitution
July 13th, 2007 at 3:06 pmwhen Nutmeggers turn LIEberman out in 2012 for constantly waxing his nose in bush’s arse, it ought to be just in time for him to accept a position in the Chimperor’s library as custodian.
July 13th, 2007 at 3:07 pm.
Not so much. Read David Hallberstrom’s last article before his death in Vanity Fair.
July 13th, 2007 at 3:08 pmI thing it should be renamed Think Islamic!
Comment by The Joker —
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Aloha,
I prefer ThinkDefeat.org is even better.
July 13th, 2007 at 3:08 pmGod bless Joseph Lieberman for his long term vision and putting country over party.
July 13th, 2007 at 3:09 pmOh, he would own slaves if he could and he is trying to bring about modern servitude right this very minute.
July 13th, 2007 at 3:09 pmHello TP Friends! This is long but well worth the read if you have the time.
Peace to everyone!
http://smirkingchimp.com/thread/8686
July 13th, 2007 at 3:09 pm“It would involve a Military Coup and the forming of Death Squads.
You would have to liquidate Leftist orgainzations and then you can after the Muslims in America.”
Where do all the crazies come from?
July 13th, 2007 at 3:09 pmBig deal, the Christians boycotted The Last Temptation of Christ and would have rather had it banned.
Project much?
July 13th, 2007 at 3:10 pmYeah, you guys don’t march in lock step and you’re original thinkers too.
/sarcasm = off
July 13th, 2007 at 3:12 pmWhy do you Leftists support Muslims!
Comment by The Joker — July 13, 2007 @ 3:08 pm
What an inane thing to say. Islam is a religion. Not all Muslims are terrorists. The huge majority of them are not, in fact.
You, Joker, are no better than those RADICAL muslims that advocate the destruction of the United States. From the perspective of someone in the Middle East, you are a terrorist - advocating the destruction of their entire culture.
Funny thing is, you will never understand that.
July 13th, 2007 at 3:12 pmEvery president should be viewed in a big picture/little picture context. Bush is a disaster anyway you look at it.
Big picture-wise, one overwhelming, major, major, major, major Bush mistake is the environment. Iraq is really a SHORT-TERM, small picture, problem. Even if it’s a 50-year problem, that’s a short-term problem, when compared to the ultimate destiny of this environmentally-fragile planet.
Sadly, I give the planet 500-years and that’s it. That may be overly-generous. Every Bush enviromental oversight and every Bush environmental mistake just tips the scale incrementally.
There’s no going back. You can’t undo what you should have done. Ozone holes can’t be repaired.
Eventually, there will be a mass exodus of people to the polar regions of this planet. There’s going to be chaos. When many cities, in the mid lattitudes, have average daily summer highs of 150 to 175 degrees, by say 2300, life cannot sustain itself. Maybe Fairbanks, Alaska will have more moderate temperature of say 100 degrees, but that’s still hot.
How historians rate Bush is a non-issue. Life on this planet will cease to exist in a relatively short period of time.
Thanks, George. Thanks a lot. GOOD JOB BROWNIE? Not one living BUSH on this planet will be green. Think BROWN, BROWN, BROWN, BROWN.
July 13th, 2007 at 3:13 pmBush, Rush and Joe COMBINED will be known as the some of the STUPID HUMANS ALIVE!!!
July 13th, 2007 at 3:13 pmJoe Lieberman will go down in history as the Washington politician that looked the most like Alfred E. Neuman.
July 13th, 2007 at 3:13 pmGreat argument. Had Hitler been successful, historians in the New Germany would have said he too was great.
July 13th, 2007 at 3:13 pmHaving a ‘debate’ with The Joker is like me explaining the theory of relativity to a chipmunk: I present my argument backed by facts and all I get back is senseless chittering.
July 13th, 2007 at 3:17 pmWRONG!
I think Muslims are just as fu*king nuts as you whackos.
July 13th, 2007 at 3:17 pmI just looked at Ringo the Gringo’s pictures, and it’s remarkable to see the simularities between liberals here and the communists on our streets. A critically thinking person would be alarmed to see that their values are so closely aligned with the likes of such anti-Americanism. But I’m sure that you’ll completely miss that point.
July 13th, 2007 at 3:18 pmForgive me if someone has already said this (I jumped on this thread after 99 comments were already posted) but…
Lieberman: Bush’s ‘Ratings Among Historians Will Be Greater Than His Ratings In The Polls Today’
LIEberman’s not going very far out on a limb here, is he? I mean, Bush’s rating among historians of the future could hardly be worse than his ratings among the public today.
July 13th, 2007 at 3:18 pmThe other part of course is, that the historical parallels that they try to draw don’t stack up. Bush is no Truman, and Iraq is not WWII. Add to that, that Bush and company speak all the time about making us safer, but Al Qaida is now as strong as ever. Those who believe in the extremists Islam are more then happy with Iraq, since they use it as a tool to recruit. Funny bit is they say Islam is under attack from the west. and the rabid right wing says Christians are under attack by Islam. I guess it is too difficult to think it through.
No History will not exonerate Bush except in the right wing blogosphere.
July 13th, 2007 at 3:18 pmI attack Muslims and then you attack Christians!
Hey I didn’t see riots when the a croos was covered in piss!
There were riots when Mohamad the Pedophiler was depicted in a Danish Newspaper!
The Left was silent and didn’t condemn the rioters.
In fact many Leftists supported the Islamic riots!
Hypocrisy!
Comment by The Joker — July 13, 2007 @ 3:13 pm
Ooooh tough guy attacking the muslims from the safety of your keyboard. What a moron!
I shat on Jesus and Mohamad, buddah & Chuck Norris.
July 13th, 2007 at 3:19 pmDo you want to discuss the Islamic Jihad of the 7th Century of other wars of Islamic agression?
Comment by The Joker — July 13, 2007 @ 3:20 pm
Do you want to discuss the Crusades?
July 13th, 2007 at 3:22 pmwillyloman,
Look what your friend Mohammed is up to!
July 13th, 2007 at 3:22 pmhttp://zombietime.com/ mohammed_image_archive/ extreme_mohammed/ mohammad1.jpeg
Senator Joe liberman, obligating us to share the brunt of the World’s hatred for Israel, one NeoConservative principle at a time……..
July 13th, 2007 at 3:22 pmJohn Gilpins - you are a bit of an alarmist. Too bad the facts arent on your side. Good job on that concert that bombed all weekend trying to gin up more propoganda support for your chicken-little-the-sky-is-falling-BS. I guess if this was 20 years ago you’d be talking about extreme cold like the rest of the tree huggers out there.
Global Warming is nothing more than a POLITICAL movement designed to empower the left, that’s it. Sure, everyone wants a clean environment, but the impact that US citizens are making on this pales in comparison to the earth’s natural cycles.
July 13th, 2007 at 3:23 pmBush will be remembered as a war criminal, a hatemonger and an idiot. His name will go down as the worst president in American history, and the tactics his party used in both of his electroral “victories” will be remembered with the same scorn that we today recall with Nixon and Watergate.
The next president, whoever that may be, will probably be remembered most for cleaning up Dubya’s mess.
Lieberman will be remembered as the bootlicking Senator for Israel that he has always been, and future Americans will wonder why in the hell the Democrats put him on the 2000 ticket with Al Gore.
July 13th, 2007 at 3:24 pmSenator Joe liberman, obligating us to share the brunt of the World’s hatred for Israel, one NeoConservative principle at a time……..
Comment by the fly-man/W is 4 Weak — July 13, 2007 @ 3:22 pm
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Why do you hate one of America’s friends?
It is stupid to say “The enemy of my enemy is my friend,” but you are saying “A friend of mine is my enemy”?
How do you rationalize that?!?!
July 13th, 2007 at 3:25 pmThe Joker -
If you are hispanic, don’t you find it a horrible character flaw to attack an entire group of people based upon religion or race? I’m sure you’ve had to put up with racism and stereotypes your entire life that you hate do deal with. Yet you turn around and use slurs, advocate violence, and belittle and entire group of people based upon their heritage and religion.
Real Christian of you.
July 13th, 2007 at 3:25 pmBush’s Ratings Among Historians Will Be Greater Than His Ratings In The Polls Today, unless historians read stuff like this:
“A secret military operation in early 2005 to capture senior members of Al Qaeda in Pakistan’s tribal areas was aborted at the last minute after top Bush administration officials decided it was too risky and could jeopardize relations with Pakistan, according to intelligence and military officials.
The target was a meeting of Qaeda leaders that intelligence officials thought included Ayman al-Zawahri, Osama bin Laden’s top deputy and the man believed to run the terrorist group’s operations.”
July 13th, 2007 at 3:25 pmComment by hellinabucket — July 13, 2007 @ 2:50 pm
It’s in the RNC Stylebook. Doesn’t necessarily mea they’re one and the same.
Comment by Egreggious
They all share one tiny little brain any way.
July 13th, 2007 at 3:26 pmOoooh tough guy attacking the muslims from the safety of your keyboard. What a moron!
Comment by JP — July 13, 2007 @ 3:19 pm
100% TRUE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Oh — sorry; must be some kinda virus I picked up by playing in the wrong sandbox and drinking the wrong koolaid and wearing a tinfoil hat…
I’m better now…
July 13th, 2007 at 3:26 pmWell . . . this confirms it. Lieberman has gone completely soft in the head.
Time to take off the Republican-colored glasses, Mr. Joe-mentum. They’ve really messed up your vision.
July 13th, 2007 at 3:26 pmYou ignoring the crusades again?
July 13th, 2007 at 3:26 pmThe Crusades were at the end of the 11th Century and was a Christian counter attack after centuries of Islamic attacks!
Do you want to get into specifics?
Comment by The Joker — July 13, 2007 @ 3:24 pm
Sure. What did Jesus say? Turn the other cheek, right? So the true Christian thing to do in response to being attacked would be to turn the other cheek, not punch them in the nose.
Practice what you preach.
July 13th, 2007 at 3:27 pmWith a gun.
Pu$$y.
July 13th, 2007 at 3:27 pmJP,
I’ve beaten up many of Muslim in my life!
I have desecrated the Koran in front of the Saudi Embassy in Washington!
I left pork in front of a Mosque while the people were right there!
They couldn’t do nothing as I have a Carry permit and had my gun visible!
I can back my shit up!
Comment by The Joker — July 13, 2007 @ 3:23 pm
Almost makes Pee look normal.
July 13th, 2007 at 3:27 pmI love this argument, since it’s the same one I heard over and over and over growing up in a red state in the 70s. It almost became a mantra as the whole ugly mess of Watergate was slowly exposed:
“History will look back at Richard Nixon as one of America’s greatest presidentsâ€
Why not? Liberal historians look at Lyndon Johnson as one of America’s greatest presidents despite his adventure in Vietnam.
July 13th, 2007 at 3:27 pmJokewad: Dog hating Muslims? Many muslims I know actually LIKE dogs — it’s CATS they don’t like (except in a casserole…mmmmm….).
And who in the world is Hitkler?
July 13th, 2007 at 3:28 pmNo they don’t you fu*king lying sack of crap.
July 13th, 2007 at 3:28 pmNo History will not exonerate Bush except in the right wing blogosphere.
Comment by Krazny — July 13, 2007 @ 3:18 pm
I disagree - I think Bush will be wildly popular among historians. For decades, perhaps centuries, historians will make a fortune writing detailed accounts of everything that’s gone wrong with this administration and its devastating effects on the world. I predict that by 2109 there will be more books and History Channel documentaries written about the lasting effects of this administration than World War II, Vietnam, and the Kennedy Assassination combined!
July 13th, 2007 at 3:28 pmI left pork in front of a Mosque while the people were right there!
They couldn’t do nothing as I have a Carry permit and had my gun visible!
I can back my shit up!
Comment by The Joker — July 13, 2007 @ 3:23 pm
This is one tough hombre, people!
He left pork in front of a mosque! While the people were right there!
And he backed up his “statement” with a gun! What a man!
Joker, I think your sh!t is already backed up — right up into your brain cavity.
July 13th, 2007 at 3:29 pmJoker,
July 13th, 2007 at 3:29 pmTake the Prez-troll advice, and go back to you’re 3rd world country. Don’t you know he hates immigrants? He’s only trying to gain your trust to make it easier to control you!
i have this great idea to remodel my house. but f the experts, im going to do it my way. 6 years later my house is barely standing up, it is barely fit to live in and ive wasted lots and lots of money. 100 years from now though people will say i was a great architect and someone ahead of his time.
July 13th, 2007 at 3:29 pmYou ignoring the crusades again?
Comment by Spudge_Boy — July 13, 2007 @ 3:26 pm
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What about the Crusades?
July 13th, 2007 at 3:29 pmEuropeans kicked MuslimSh*teaters off of land that they had stolen.
Comment by Spudge_Boy — July 13, 2007 @ 3:28 pm
Yes they do! Perhaps it is not despite, but rather because of his escalation in Vietnam.
July 13th, 2007 at 3:30 pmI’ve beaten up many of Muslim in my life!——- Make you feel like more of a ‘man’?
I have desecrated the Koran in front of the Saudi Embassy in Washington! —- So you’re a disrespectful punk biznatch…..what was you point? Didja think they’d come a-runnin to beat your punk-ass? Maybe next time, I’ll keep my fingers crossed.
I left pork in front of a Mosque while the people were right there! —– Looking at you like you were a maniac, no doubt.
“Ma, what’s that guy doing?”
“Honey, the crazy man has a gun and a pork-chop, go back inside and dial 911.”
They couldn’t do nothing as I have a Carry permit and had my gun visible! —– That REALLY makes you a scared punk. Why do you need a gun? Why don’t you just stop doing the things that make people wanna beat your a$$?
I can back my shit up! —- With a gun? That’s hiding behind a bullet, not backing your sh!t up.
Comment by The Joker
July 13th, 2007 at 3:30 pmHistory will record GDumbya as a mere coma — the worst president in the country’s history.
Lieberman will be remembered as %@#*$#.
July 13th, 2007 at 3:30 pmHey, Mr. President. Do you think I should come clean and admit to all my alleged wrongdoings on this site? You know, give away all the names I’ve used in the past and the trolls I’ve been conspiring with to silence the liberal agenda?
You’re the Decider. You tell me.
July 13th, 2007 at 3:30 pmLiberal historians look at Lyndon Johnson as one of America’s greatest presidents despite his adventure in Vietnam.
Comment by m12 — July 13, 2007 @ 3:27 pm
Can you name a few “liberal historians” who claim Lyndon Johnson is “one of America’s greatest presidents”, You’re12?
Thanks.
July 13th, 2007 at 3:30 pmMaybe Israeli historians…
July 13th, 2007 at 3:30 pmHey!
July 13th, 2007 at 3:32 pmWhere is Joe (I-Israel)’s right hand?
Joker, i like to be told what our intentions are in straight forward TRUTHFUL manner and have serious debates about our national intentions, not have the government run by a small handful of blood thirsty warmongers. I said nothing about my personal support for Israel or lack there of.
July 13th, 2007 at 3:33 pmI detest Muslims and I believe all Americans whether White, Black, Latin and Asian should unite and drive them from our land!
Comment by The Joker — July 13, 2007 @ 3:31 pm
Funny coincidence - I detest racists and bigots and I believe all Americans of all races and religions should unite and drive you assholes from our land.
July 13th, 2007 at 3:33 pm“Honey, the crazy man has a gun and a pork-chop, go back inside and dial 911.â€
Comment by SGT Higgins — July 13, 2007 @ 3:30 pm
Hilarious!
PS. Wasn’t your wife ill? Hope she’s doing better.
July 13th, 2007 at 3:34 pmThe Crusades were at the end of the 11th Century and was a Christian counter attack after centuries of Islamic attacks!
Do you want to get into specifics?
Comment by The Joker — July 13, 2007 @ 3:24 pm
Actually, Jokewad, the first Crusades happened in the 1st Century AD; by the time Islam came along several centuries later, Christians were already well-experienced at killing in the name of “God”; they just turned their attention to a new group, Muslims, as the next target.
You need to read the book “Holy War” to understand a little history, before you start trying to play with the adults again. And especially if you’re a Christian, like I am, you need to understand the complete history of your religion and why radical Christian fundamentalists like those in charge of the White House right now are no better than radical Muslim fundamentalists like those who attacked us on 9/11.
Now crawl back to your little sandbox before we pat you on the head and send you to play in traffic.
July 13th, 2007 at 3:34 pmIndependent? BAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
July 13th, 2007 at 3:34 pmJoker,
Ice Age???? Good! I need a new air-conditioner so I can spare the expense. I should get a good deal right now on a furnace. Make that two furnaces. Make that three furnaces. Make that four furnaces.
I’m not a scientist but I don’t follow your logic. Are you familiar with the Greenhouse Effect. When is the last time you’ve been in a frigid greenhouse? I’m not speaking about the country, Greenland, but greenhouse.
July 13th, 2007 at 3:34 pmDon’t you know he hates immigrants? He’s only trying to gain your trust to make it easier to control you!
Comment by wake-n-bake — July 13, 2007 @ 3:29 pm
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I never said I hated immigrants! I might have said I hate ILLEGAL immigrants, or immigrants that hate America.
July 13th, 2007 at 3:34 pmLieberman may have stated he would caucus with the Democrats, but his foreign policy preferences match up with the hawkish of the Republicans. Remember in his last election for Senate in Connecticut, he got quite a bit of support and money from the Republican party, even though they ran their own candidate in the race. Democrats who voted for him believing his claims that even as an Independent, he would still represent them got burned.
July 13th, 2007 at 3:35 pmDogs are banned in many Islamic countries!
Comment by The Joker
Your stupidity is matched only by your cowardice.
July 13th, 2007 at 3:35 pmI’m Imperiasl Roman Christian that believes in defending your self and wiping your enemies out!
Comment by The Joker
i.e. the crazy fanatical christian hate monger.
July 13th, 2007 at 3:37 pmIn the Koran Dogs are forbiden as Mohamad was attacked by them.
Dogs are banned in many Islamic countries!
Comment by The Joker — July 13, 2007 @ 3:33 pm
Again with the spin, Jokewad. I never said dogs weren’t banned in many Islamic countries — I was responding to your earlier post that said muslims are dog-hating. That’s akin to saying that all hispanics are muslim-hating just because YOU are. Since there are far more muslims in non-Islamic countries than there are in Islamic countries in the world, your broad brush approach to painting all muslims as dog-haters has, like you, absolutely no credibility.
July 13th, 2007 at 3:37 pmActually, Jokewad, the first Crusades happened in the 1st Century AD;
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Comment by Zippy the Other Pinhead — July 13, 2007 @ 3:34 pm
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What are an idiot?
July 13th, 2007 at 3:37 pmYou know nothing of history!!!
The Christians were the ones being martyred in the 1st century!!!
their love fest should be consummated by pounding each other in the butt.
July 13th, 2007 at 3:38 pmComment by spit take — July 13, 2007 @ 3:30 pm
Sure.
http://en.wikipedia.org/ wiki/ Historical_rankings_of_United_States_Presidents
9th
http://www.americanpresidents.org/survey/historians/35.asp
10th
http://falcon.arts.cornell.edu/ Govt/ courses/ F04/ PresidentialRankings.pdf
July 13th, 2007 at 3:39 pm17th
Dogs are banned in many Islamic countries!
Comment by The Joker
And the last carnitas you had was made of what?
July 13th, 2007 at 3:40 pmJoe LIEberman: the suckass senator from Connecticut. Yeah, you can trust his assessment of how future generations will view George Bush. Thanks again, CT voters.
July 13th, 2007 at 3:40 pmYou’re the Decider. You tell me.
Comment by No-one in particular — July 13, 2007 @ 3:30 pm
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Sure why not?!?!
I’ve done it!!!
July 13th, 2007 at 3:40 pm“Honey, the crazy man has a gun and a pork-chop, go back inside and dial 911.â€
Comment by SGT Higgins — July 13, 2007 @ 3:30 pm
Sarge, your reply to The Joker kicked my reply’s ass.
Well done.
July 13th, 2007 at 3:40 pmHey Ringo or whatever your name is, to critize Israel is not anti-semetic. Nice try at a put down.
July 13th, 2007 at 3:40 pmI think Joe and Chimpy are on to something with this one. Look how long it took for historians to get it right on Stalin. Heck, they’re still finding bodies.
July 13th, 2007 at 3:41 pmtheir love fest should be consummated by pounding each other in the butt.
Oh you make the beautiful act of love between two men sound so dirty. Keep on creamin’ dude.
July 13th, 2007 at 3:41 pmthe 1st century? Mr. President I rarely address you directly because you generally don’t deserve a response. But your continual running off the deep end is just sad to watch. You are like the lemmings that just follow each other off the cliff.
Honestly, get back on the subject matter.
July 13th, 2007 at 3:41 pm“…but I think on the largest issue of our time, which is the rise of Islamist extremism, that he will be judged as a president who saw the threat, and in the midst of an unpopular war, he stuck with it.”
So what gave Bush a clue to the threat? Extremist flying 3 planes into our buildings and killing 3000 of our citizens? This guy is just psychic or is it psychotic.
Anyway, as Rush said, when we are all dead and gone, and historians will write about this time in history and realize that they still have Islamist radicals to deal with in their time, how will Bush be remembered again?
July 13th, 2007 at 3:41 pmWhat are an idiot?
You know nothing of history!!!
The Christians were the ones being martyred in the 1st century!!!
Comment by Mr. President — July 13, 2007 @ 3:37 pm
I shudder to reply to someone who knows so little of the English language that he can’t complete a sentence without leaving out a word here or there, but yawn…here goes…
Again, Jokewad, try reading a few books. I mean, other than Dr. Seuss or My Pet Goat. There’s lots of great OBJECTIVE books exploring the history of holy wars that aren’t written from the purely Christian perspective like the ones you’ve apparently had read to you. The Christians being martyred in the 1st century were being PROTECTED by Christian-affiliated knights who, as a side job to amuse themselves, were wearing the cross on their armor all while killing and maiming and pillaging in the name of their God.
Sorta like what you’re doing now — spinning and lying and distorting, all in the name of your hatred and bigotry.
July 13th, 2007 at 3:42 pmLIEberman’s not going very far out on a limb here, is he? I mean, Bush’s rating among historians of the future could hardly be worse than his ratings among the public today.
Comment by spit take
Sure, when whatever papers are left are eventually released and show how close his policies have taken us towards being a tyrannical regime and how the constitution was systematically ignored there won’t be a historian who will not rate him as the worst president ever.
The saddest thing is that we, the citizens who allowed this all to happen, with our apathy and selfishness, will be judged as the least patriotic of all Americans.
July 13th, 2007 at 3:43 pm…what a moron. Everyone saw the threat–the difference is, the way that BushCo has dealt with the threat has been both clumsy and criminal.
July 13th, 2007 at 3:43 pmI miss Ned Lamont!
July 13th, 2007 at 3:43 pmComment by The Joker — July 13, 2007 @ 3:13 pm
Ooooh tough guy attacking the muslims from the safety of your keyboard. What a moron!
I shat on Jesus and Mohamad, buddah & Chuck Norris.
Comment by JP
Right, nothing is stopping The Joker from signing up and going to fight muslims up close and personal. The US military is desparate enough to take anybody and if they won’t take him because he’s too crazy I’m sure Blackwater would love to have him.
But he’d rather sit here and talk tough while wetting himself.
July 13th, 2007 at 3:45 pmpeople critisize the policies the Israel’s ultra right wing party push. Not the Jewish people.
July 13th, 2007 at 3:46 pmTo hide behind claims of anti semitism is disgusting. Anyone who does that is desicrating the memory of the real suffering of the Jewish people.
It is like Gulianni spouting “911″ whenever he can’t answer a question.
Poor Joker, can’t take a joke without calling in the sympathy and racist card.
July 13th, 2007 at 3:46 pmYou are a joke, fool.
They couldn’t do nothing as I have a Carry permit and had my gun visible!
I can back my shit up!
Comment by The Joker
Then why don’t you back your shit up to Iraq, sissy?
July 13th, 2007 at 3:47 pmBush has been talking up this historian bit for a while.
Most likely, his work will have destroyed the world by then and there will be no historians or history.
Since he started it though, I would like to say that history will look back and say that Jack Jett was one of the most handsome and talented folks of our generation.
Jack Jett
July 13th, 2007 at 3:48 pmhttp://www.jackejett.com
Comment by hellinabucket — July 13, 2007 @ 3:41 pm
Did you read the post I was responding too?
Because if you did not, you should have!
Zippy the Other Pinhead says this:
In the 1st Century Christians were being murdered by pagans!!!
July 13th, 2007 at 3:48 pmWait — isn’t Lieberman kissing the wrong part of Bush in that photo?
July 13th, 2007 at 3:48 pmComment by m12 — July 13, 2007 @ 3:39 pm
Thanks for that research, You’re12, but it doesn’t really seem to prove your point at all. Seems like, in the Wikipedia link at least, all of the historians had LBJ ranked in the teens. Pretty consistent.
Of course, to you, that means they’re all “liberals”, right? Except that only ONE of them had Johnson ranked higher than Eisenhower. Seems if they were all “liberals” they wouldn’t have ranked Ike that high.
But as far as your “one of the greatest” remark goes, none of the links you offered place LBJ any higher than 10th. Maybe, being a right-winger, you have a lower standard of “greatness” than I do, but I think that being in the 50-75th percentile is not all that “great”. It’s good, sure, but hardly “one of the greatest”.
So were you exaggerating for effect, or were you just pulling sh!t out of your a$$ as usual?
July 13th, 2007 at 3:49 pmComment by Zippy the Other Pinhead — July 13, 2007 @ 3:42 pm
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Now I see that you were joking the whole time!!!
Good one!
July 13th, 2007 at 3:50 pmI don’t brag about myself here.
Comment by The Joker — July 13, 2007 @ 3:48 pm
“I brag about my gun.”
July 13th, 2007 at 3:51 pmJoker, I think your sh!t is already backed up — right up into your brain cavity.
Comment by spit take
He pulled out his pecker, like he always does in public, and thinks he left pork in front of the mosque.
July 13th, 2007 at 3:52 pmThe Joker,
These Leftists will make up history to spread muslim lies!!!
July 13th, 2007 at 3:53 pmIt is funny, but it seems that they are an enemy to Americans like you and me!!!
I have to go now but I will talk to you later.
If I saw you to your face, trust me you wouldn’t be running your mouth!
Comment by The Joker — July 13, 2007 @ 3:48 pm
Why is the fallback position of so many wingnuts the threat of violence?
July 13th, 2007 at 3:53 pmJoker, if you’re such a tough ass SOB, why not just kill a few Muslims, right there in front of the mosque?
July 13th, 2007 at 3:55 pmHuh? That’d show em how tough you are.
Maybe a couple of four year old boys or girls. Yeah, that’ll show em not to mess with “I’ve got a gun” Hoker.
What a pathetic pile of shit you are. I don’t give a fu(k whether you’re hispanic, black, orange or green, you are one fu(ked up moron.
shane ,
Your just an Internet Geek.
A straight pussy that used to get beat up in school!
Typical White Suburban Herb!
Comment by The Joker — July 13, 2007 @ 3:53 pm
well, now that The Joke has proven what a tough guy he is by threatening a girl, can we all move on now?
July 13th, 2007 at 3:55 pmSo Joker is threatening people here now? Some Christian…
July 13th, 2007 at 3:56 pmWhy is the fallback position of so many wingnuts the threat of violence?
Comment by spit take — July 13, 2007 @ 3:53 pm
Apparently, that’s what Jesus would do.
July 13th, 2007 at 3:56 pmWhy was Dick Cheney put in charge of investigations of WMDs and security risks inMay 2001, by Presidential order?
“Remember, on 9/11 the Bush administration claimed it had “no idea” aircraft would be used as weapons. Then why were they drilling such scenarios before and during 9/11?
http://www.fromthewilderness.com/ free/ ww3/ 011805_simplify_case.shtml
July 13th, 2007 at 3:57 pm“[2.11] And when it is said to them, Do not make mischief in the land, they say: We are but peace-makers.”
peace
July 13th, 2007 at 3:59 pmSure Joker, because Jesus was a p*ssy, right?
July 13th, 2007 at 3:59 pmNot every Christian is a turn the other cheek fool!
Comment by The Joker — July 13, 2007 @ 3:58 pm
Why do you hate Jesus?
July 13th, 2007 at 3:59 pmok. I will
http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/
interesting film for those who have yet to see it.
July 13th, 2007 at 4:01 pmNot every Christian is a turn the other cheek fool!
Comment by The Joker — July 13, 2007 @ 3:58 pm
Oh, so you’re not a “strict constructionist” type of Christian, who believes in everything Jesus said in the Bible. Good to know.
July 13th, 2007 at 4:02 pmThe Joker,
Don’t mind ’shane.’ The puke has yet to “back her sh*t up” in the education debate on the “Bush Makes Little Girls Cry” thread. Ms. Grape nuts takes comfort in knowing she won’t be called out by her former leftinites if she runs.
Anyhow, I agree with you that Muslim immigration is essentially the poison to America’s security. Lefties LOVE it. (And SHH! If you tell the lefties of your hispanic descent, you’ll be led to think that you need remedial help and inclusion into more of their bogus pet projects.)
STILL WAITING FOR SUBSTANTIATION, SHANE.
July 13th, 2007 at 4:03 pmIt’s difficult to write in past-future-present tense, but here goes.
Why would what people who haven’t been born yet think (How you would know that is another issue.) change my (or anyone else’s) mind?
Bush has too often tried to say that historians will vindicate his actions.
How?
Yes, there are Holocaust deniers, but does that vindicate Hitler?
No, I’m not comparing Bush to Hitler. I’m comparing the delusion of the denier with Bush’s (Delusion of Grandure).
July 13th, 2007 at 4:04 pmThen why don’t you back your shit up to Iraq, sissy?
Why don’t you go to Afghanistan?
I have 2 relatives in Iraq and you know nothing about me.
I don’t brag about myself here.
If I saw you to your face, trust me you wouldn’t be running your mouth!
Comment by The Joker
Oh I’d be running my mouth, trust me. And I’m not the commando who hates muslims. Put your money where your mouth is and go fight your most hated enemy. Unless of course you’re just a paid troll and make easy money by spewing the same crappola day after day. I bet Blackwater pays better than Rove. Go for it little girl.
July 13th, 2007 at 4:04 pm“the Cheney Energy Task Force. The documents contain a map of Iraqi oilfields, pipelines, refineries and terminals, as well as 2 charts detailing Iraqi oil and gas projects, and “Foreign Suitors for Iraqi Oilfield Contracts.†The documents are dated March 2001.
Interesting maps from right before Bush put Ceney in charge of drilling Norad for potential terrorist attacks.
http://www.judicialwatch.org/iraqi-oil-maps.shtml
July 13th, 2007 at 4:05 pmI believe in Christianity, but only use the bible as a general guide.
I believe in Science and Facts to guide my secualr thoughts!
Comment by The Joker — July 13, 2007 @ 4:04 pm
You know, there are a lot of people who share youor political philosophy who would say you’re not a Christian at all. Or they’d dismiss you as a “Cafeteria Christian”.
July 13th, 2007 at 4:07 pmOf course, to you, that means they’re all “liberalsâ€, right? Except that only ONE of them had Johnson ranked higher than Eisenhower. Seems if they were all “liberals†they wouldn’t have ranked Ike that high.
There certainly is no such thing as conservatives at Cornell, so yeah, they’re liberals!
You do realize it was Eisenhower who set up the beloved liberal Warren Court, which endured for 50 years until George W. Bush (hopefully) put an end to it?
But as far as your “one of the greatest†remark goes, none of the links you offered place LBJ any higher than 10th. Maybe, being a right-winger, you have a lower standard of “greatness†than I do, but I think that being in the 50-75th percentile is not all that “greatâ€. It’s good, sure, but hardly “one of the greatestâ€.
Ok, I’ll use your terminology. Clearly, if liberals put him at 10, Vietnam (6x the financial and human cost of Iraq) can’t be all that bad!
How did Mr. War on Poverty do, anyway?
July 13th, 2007 at 4:07 pmMaybe I already served?
Do you know me, no!
I just don’t discuss certain things here.
It’s none of yiur business.
Your just a suburban white ppunk!
Comment by The Joker
Maybe you served, and maybe I’m the f*cking Queen of England. Doesn’t matter anyway, they’d take you back, candyass. Soldiers are doing their 5th tours and all you do is talk, talk, talk. You will never have the ability to legally kill muslims again like you can right now. Anybody whose hate is as virulent as yours would be dying to go kill some muslims. If you weren’t such a pu$$y.
July 13th, 2007 at 4:08 pmI believe in Christianity, but only use the bible as a general guide.
I believe in Science and Facts to guide my secualr thoughts!
Comment by The Joker — July 13, 2007 @ 4:04 pm
Ohhh… so you pick an choose what you want then? Kind of like the radical muslims that do the same with the Koran, then? Huh… makes you just like them, then. Go figure.
July 13th, 2007 at 4:08 pm“I believe in Christianity, but only use the bible as a general guide.
Comment by The Joker — July 13, 2007″
same with timothy mcveigh.
July 13th, 2007 at 4:09 pmPS. Wasn’t your wife ill? Hope she’s doing better. — Yeah, she’s fine now, thank you. =)
Comment by Egreggious
Well done. — it was my pleasure, although I’d have liked to see the Joker’s response…guess he was at a loss. Go figure.
Comment by spit take
July 13th, 2007 at 4:09 pm#113,
I disagree and the facts are not on your side.
Are you a petroleum engineer? One official petroleum organization refutes global warming, but that’s about the only scientific organization that does.
Maybe you’re trying to sell a house on a beach. Good luck! As the oceans and seas rise, you’ll be living on the second story.
July 13th, 2007 at 4:09 pmI’m an Isolationist!
Comment by The Joker — July 13, 2007 @ 4:07 pm
Excellent. You better turn off your internet connection, then, and isolate yourself.
July 13th, 2007 at 4:09 pmComment by The Joker — July 13, 2007 @ 3:23 pm
Jesus, late into this but you can back your shit up by being one