‘Hundreds of American troops’ will be lost before Sept.
By on Jul 13th, 2007 at 3:16 pm
‘Hundreds of American troops’ will be lost before Sept.
The AP looks at the costs of waiting until September for President Bush’s status report:
While many in Congress are pushing President Bush to alter course in Iraq by September if not sooner, his new status report on the war strongly implies that the administration believes its military strategy will take many more months to meet its goals.
The report cited no specific timeframe, but its language suggests what some U.S. commanders have hinted at recently: The troop reinforcements that Bush ordered in January may need to remain until spring 2008. [...]
Between now and September the battle for Baghdad will intensify, likely costing hundreds of American troops’ lives.
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Who? heh heh.
July 13th, 2007 at 3:20 pmHundreds of US lives in order to have the status quo remain the status quo.
Progress, my butt, George.
July 13th, 2007 at 3:21 pmshhhhh….. dont tell the monkey…. oh wait we already have. For defense contractors and oil companies to bring them home means loss of profits…. you dont want exxon to miss their $600 BILLION dollar profit margin do you? didnt think so.
July 13th, 2007 at 3:23 pmI’m way past caring.
July 13th, 2007 at 3:24 pmIt’s all part of booshie’s plan to run out the clock so he can leave the mess to the next president and he can retire to obscurity under the delusional belief that history will vindicate him. What a dick.
July 13th, 2007 at 3:26 pmRighty Refrain: “Hey, they volunteered.”
July 13th, 2007 at 3:26 pmLet them eat cake!
July 13th, 2007 at 3:27 pmIt’s a sad fact. Necessary, but sad.
July 13th, 2007 at 3:28 pmIf we pull out of Iraq, a million or more people may be slaughtered in our wake, and Iraq will very likely become a failed state like Somalia with al-Qaeda (and other Salafist groups) providing Jihadi-terrorists safe-haven in the Sunni areas and Iranian backed Hezbollah-style militias in the Shiite regions.
Are you people really so short-sighted or blinded by hatred of Republicans that you think this would be preferable to our continued presence in Iraq for a few more years?
If the Dems retreat from this fight we will be back eventually and we won’t be nation building.
July 13th, 2007 at 3:29 pmNothing could be more unnecessary.
July 13th, 2007 at 3:29 pmSince the Repugs don’t give a shit about the troops, why would this comment even get their attention?
To them, dead and wounded soldiers are just like battle-damaged Humvees; park them out of the way so we don’t have to see them and get me MORE MORE MORE!
It is sooo easy for these trolls on here to blather on about this issue when they have NO skin in the game, except their tired fingers from manning the m16 model keyboard.
July 13th, 2007 at 3:30 pmFor a party that claims to care so much about life that they want to control a woman’s womb, they sure do throw away a lot of lives for nothing, don’t they?
July 13th, 2007 at 3:32 pmMore dead U.S. troops, what every good Repuke has wet dreams about.
July 13th, 2007 at 3:32 pmMaybe Bush figures he won’t have to pay for lifetime healthcare for the returning troops if he kills them all off now.
July 13th, 2007 at 3:33 pmpick every third congressman and senator, send his kid over there, and I bet those troops are home yesterday.
July 13th, 2007 at 3:33 pm#8-
Necessary? What is this grand and noble cause that the troops are dying for? They are not dying for their country. On the contrary, they are being killed because of the lies that they are told by their government. The terrorists that Bush and Cheney are using to scare the American people are basically a straw man since those terrorists or outside forces that are aligned against the coalition forces number a mere 2 per cent. Again, that figure is not 72 per cent but a miniscule 2 per cent. Those troops are being sent into that slaughterhouse for absolutely no justifiable reason whatsoever. Support the troops-bring them home safely-now.
July 13th, 2007 at 3:37 pmHow many coups have been staged by disgruntled military people?
July 13th, 2007 at 3:37 pmthey kept trying to kill hitler, I wonder why?
July 13th, 2007 at 3:38 pmHow many coups have been staged by disgruntled military people?
Comment by Evil Spaniard
I don’t know but I think all of them
July 13th, 2007 at 3:40 pmSo if the Democrats succeed it getting US troops to pull out of Iraq it is very likely that millions will be slaughtered in our wake and Iraq will become a failed state like Somalia with various regions run by warlords. Al-Qaeda and other likeminded Salafist groups would provide safe-haven to jihadi-terrorists in the Sunni areas and Iranian backed Hezbollah-style militias would controll the Shiite regions.
Are you people so short-sighted or blinded by hatred of Republicans that you would find this scenerio preferrable to having US troops remain for a few more years fighting them now?
If we pull out of Iraq now, we’ll be back eventually…and we won’t be doing any nation building.
July 13th, 2007 at 3:43 pmpick every third congressman and senator, send his kid over there, and I bet those troops are home yesterday.
Comment by John
Hell, why every third?
July 13th, 2007 at 3:44 pmmake them all serve
If it was law that every representative’s child plus the president and vice president’s children must serve in the time of war, we would never have one unless it was in real defense of our country.
And Tony Snow supports the Iraqi parliament taking the month of August off – because it’s 130 degrees in August.
Can our military take it off too? maybe come home? Or does it just not matter because dead men don’t sweat?
July 13th, 2007 at 3:47 pmHow many coups have been staged by disgruntled military people?
Comment by Evil Spaniard
I don’t know but I think all of them
Comment by willyloman — July 13, 2007 @ 3:40 pm
Another gem from willy!
July 13th, 2007 at 3:55 pmThere are encouraging signs that should, ”over time,” point the way to lower U.S. troop levels in Iraq.
they’re getting killed every day…that’s ‘encouraging’????
July 13th, 2007 at 3:56 pmI guess killing 152 American citizens without substantively reviewing their requests for clemency — ahem! — isn’t enough blood.
July 13th, 2007 at 3:57 pmComment by bobcat_grad — July 13, 2007 @ 3:32 pm
The President has screwed the Iraq war up badly and I want the troops home too but this is simply an ignorant statement.
First because they dont “want to control a woman’s womb”. They believe an innocent and defensless child dwells in the womb.
Second because many people “liberal” and conservative alike backed this war at the beginning for very noble reasons.
Finally, to leave now will most likely will cause human suffering of colossal proportions.
July 13th, 2007 at 4:09 pmWhen we were set to return to Iraq for the second time we talked about the “Iraq math” and how the people we served with and trained with would not all be coming home with us.
July 13th, 2007 at 4:14 pmAnd that was back in ‘04
I never ever backed this war. Never ever wanted Bush to become Prezident in 2000. I wasn’t fooled by the crap, ever.
July 13th, 2007 at 4:19 pmNecessary for what?
July 13th, 2007 at 4:20 pm# 19 – You asshat righties have been dead WRONG about everything from saddam being involved in 9-11 to WMD to the amount of troops needed. Iraq is already a failed state.
July 13th, 2007 at 4:28 pmIt’s a sad fact. Necessary, but sad.
Comment by Mr. President — July 13, 2007 @ 3:28 pm
I’d like to know how many US troops have to die in order to satisfy your need for ideological validation.
July 13th, 2007 at 4:56 pmYou miss the point. The point is that the innocent life of the “child” that dwells in the womb is worth saving at all costs; however, when the war drums sounded for Iraq, it is these same people that jumped on the band wagon – and the same people that continue to support the war. A war WE STARTED AGAINST THE ADVICE OF WEAPONS INSPECTORS AND THE MAJORITY OF THE UN SECURITY COUNCIL. Yet even though 150 -200 (or more) innocent Iraqis and 4-6 US Soldiers, Airmen, and Marines are dying EVERY DAY this is still justified. Whether you are pro-choice or not, you still have to see the hypocrisy on the value of human life.
That is again the whole point. The first reason was that “there was no doubt that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction” and they “intend to use them”. It was a FALSE reason. I can make up thousands of NOBLE reasons, none of which are true. It doesn’t matter what reason you believed if it isn’t true. Another reason why this war is a SHAM.
Do you have ANY IDEA how much “human suffering” is going on now? I suspect not. That is what drives me crazy. Too many people are listening to the same people spewing the same rhetoric and have been caught lying AGAIN AND AGAIN. Instead of hypothesizing based on the lies of the same person that intends to keep us in Iraq NO MATTER WHAT. Start thinking about the violence and what is causing it and stop letting them manipulate you with fear. The SAME arguments were used in Vietnam.
If I am banging my head against a wall, and I want the pain to stop, the best remedy is to STOP BANGING MY HEAD AGAINST THE WALL. It is NOT to BANG MY HEAD HARDER (although it may stop eventually, to a much more permanent and tragic condition).
July 13th, 2007 at 4:57 pmwell thats a new talking point! In fact the more likely reason is the heat! The Iraq goverment is going on their summer brake, but the US troops will keep up the fight!!! at 130+degree weather!
These people WILL start dropping like flies in that weather, regardless if is nature or man made!
I bet Bush will be off to a visit in Hawaii golfing or shooting or swimming in the blue waters.
He does not and has never and will never care what happens to the troops or the citizens of this country! But he has fun on our dime!
July 13th, 2007 at 5:06 pmEvery single month means the deaths of at least 100 more American troops and around 1,000 more wounded and/or maimed. So do the math for September and beyond.
July 13th, 2007 at 5:06 pmThe White House is hoping for thousands more by Sept. that’s why they are keeping the troops and not giving them a break. This is what the White House means when they say SUPPORT OUR TROOPS. This is vacation time for Americans and our government officials. As the President says move on get over it.
July 13th, 2007 at 5:10 pmAs long as the US Treasury keeps given money to the White House everything is good. Our troops are hurt and have to keep going. Dick Cheney has a slight pain and all hell breaks out to fix it. Notice how quickly the media stop reporting about Walter Reed Hospital and the lack of care they give our troops. The media is even reporting ( NBC ) that Senator Vitter is a Democrat not Republican. ABC is now reporting that the Democrats have no plan and want to keep the troops in Iraq. Smart move on Cheney’s part by paying the media to lie and spin. Americans now know the Bush Administration has been lying for 6 1/2 years and each soldier that dies is the fault of the United State People not only the White House.
I look at W as an enigma. He claims to respect the sanctity of human life yet has sent more individuals and fetuses to their deaths than any despot in history, excluding Hitler and Stalin. I bet Satan can’t wait for the Bushy barbeque with the Cheney sideboard!
July 13th, 2007 at 5:42 pmI’m glad those infidels are dying!
We should the Jihadi freedom fighters!
Islam will win!
Comment by Umar Lee — July 13, 2007 @ 5:02 pm
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Fuk You Umar Lee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You and your tribe of sand-monkeys will all be dead soon!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
July 13th, 2007 at 6:16 pmIf the U. S. military was comprised of American stem cells instead of American citizens, we never would have invaded Iraq.
I wonder how many Iraqi stem cells have died in the last 4 years? Perhaps someone should investigate and let Bush know that Iraqi stem cells are dying, possibly by the thousands. Maybe then he’ll reconsider.
July 13th, 2007 at 6:46 pm‘Hundreds of American troops’ will be lost before Sept.
TP,
Is this news from a war-mongering criminal and his puppet master in the WH? Since when has anyone expected these useless a$$holes to care about American lives? They didn’t care before the occupation. Why should they care now? What has changed on the ground TP?
Are you gals just catching up with a reality so old it stinks on ice?
July 13th, 2007 at 7:59 pmHow many deaths
July 13th, 2007 at 8:22 pmwill it take till he knows
that too many people have died
the answer my friend
is blowing in the wind
…….
“You miss the point. The point is that the innocent life of the “child†that dwells in the womb is worth saving at all costs; however, when the war drums sounded for Iraq, it is these same people that jumped on the band wagon – and the same people that continue to support the war. ”
I did not miss the point. If you take into consideration their regard for life and overall aversion to war you will see that most real Christians did not make the decision to support the war without reasonable cause. Nor do they support remaining simply for partisian reasons but because we have an obligation to the people of Iraq to finnish what we “started”. Surely those Iraqis who have supported us will have it very badly if we just up and leave.
“A war WE STARTED AGAINST THE ADVICE OF WEAPONS INSPECTORS AND THE MAJORITY OF THE UN SECURITY COUNCIL.”
I have very little use for the UN as many of the countries involved in it do not have democratic government and it is a very corrupt institution.
“Yet even though 150 -200 (or more) innocent Iraqis and 4-6 US Soldiers, Airmen, and Marines are dying EVERY DAY this is still justified.”
Yes. Because the alternative is worse.
“Whether you are pro-choice or not, you still have to see the hypocrisy on the value of human life.”
I do not. The innocent Iraqis deaths are consequences of war which are unintended. Whereas in abortion the death of the innocent “child” in the womb is intended.
” I can make up thousands of NOBLE reasons, none of which are true. It doesn’t matter what reason you believed if it isn’t true. ”
One that is true is that Sadam had massacred many of his own people and was oppressing most.
“Do you have ANY IDEA how much “human suffering†is going on now? I suspect not.”
I do
“That is what drives me crazy. Too many people are listening to the same people spewing the same rhetoric and have been caught lying AGAIN AND AGAIN. Instead of hypothesizing based on the lies of the same person that intends to keep us in Iraq NO MATTER WHAT. Start thinking about the violence and what is causing it and stop letting them manipulate you with fear. The SAME arguments were used in Vietnam.”
Though it is arguable wether the “Domino effect” prediction was acurate. The result of our departure to our allies there was slaughter and imprisonment. Millions more fled by boat and it is said half of these died. Within a few years Vietnam invaded Democratic Kampochea and as many as 2 million died in the Khmer Rouge genocide.
July 13th, 2007 at 8:26 pmSurely those Iraqis who have supported us will have it very badly if we just up and leave.
Comment by Troll — July 13, 2007 @ 8:26 pm
The Iraqis who supported us were executed a couple or three years ago. Except the CIA plants in the current puppet government. Otherwise, they all hate us now!!!
July 13th, 2007 at 8:32 pmGo ahead and convince yourself this is true if it makes you feel better about the carnage that will take place once we leave.
July 13th, 2007 at 8:44 pmGo ahead and convince yourself this is true if it makes you feel better about the carnage that will take place once we leave.
Comment by Troll — July 13, 2007 @ 8:44 pm
BTW, the carnage started a couple or 3 years ago. Again, nothing changes by getting out moron! Oh, except your diapers!!
July 13th, 2007 at 8:53 pmDixie is obviously not mature enough to have intelligent discourse without resorting to potty humor.
War is hell and I dont like it either. But running away and letting your friends get slaughtered is not the answer. The carnage will most likely get worse.
July 13th, 2007 at 9:00 pmSecond most stupid post, whats your plann?
July 13th, 2007 at 9:05 pmWar is hell and I dont like it either. But running away and letting your friends get slaughtered is not the answer. The carnage will most likely get worse.
Comment by Troll — July 13, 2007 @ 9:00 pm
“War is hell and I dont like it either.” We agree!
“But running away and letting your friends get slaughtered is not the answer.”
This reply is moronic! Who’s “running away” from whose “friends?” Are you saying that those who wish to bring back to our American homes our troops and remove them from harms way would somehow leave them in the desert of Iraq to die?
Where do you get this bullsh!t?
“The carnage will most likely get worse. ”
We agree!! And it’s due to the failures of the GW Botch WH!!!
July 13th, 2007 at 9:12 pmComment by Troll — July 13, 2007 @ 9:00 pm
Are you an undergrade prelaw student who’s hard up for some quick cash combined with no chance of ever becoming a law school graduate?
Sweatin’ out some Repugniscum summer school make-up classes at Regents U?
July 13th, 2007 at 9:18 pmI dont think we have much of an option other than to do our best to see that this government suceeds. Dividing Iraq may be a second option and it would be preferable to withdrawl.
July 13th, 2007 at 9:19 pmNo dixie I am talking about the Iraqis who have stood shoulder to shoulder with our men. Few as they may be. They deserve our support.
July 13th, 2007 at 9:22 pmFew as they may be. They deserve our support.
Comment by Troll — July 13, 2007 @ 9:22 pm
Correct! Put all of them on 2 747’s bound for the US.
Problem solved again moron!!
Can you think for yourself??
Jeez I hate stupid trolls??? Can you upgrade me to UselessTroll 2.0?
July 13th, 2007 at 9:34 pmdixie blood will defend us all when they attack the us, dont worry she has a slingshot and will defend the constituion to the death.
July 13th, 2007 at 9:54 pmoh i forgot, thats on the weapons list, ok, she’ll defend us with a rock if its not outlawed by then
July 13th, 2007 at 9:55 pm2 747’s how many people is that? ok whos th moron
July 13th, 2007 at 10:00 pmThe months are unlimited, because there are no goals. You can’t have a “victory” if the meaning of the word is undefined. Similarly, you can’t have a “defeat” if you can’t define victory.
Congress should declare victory in the war in iraq, having met the following goals:
1. We’ve made damn sure that there are no WMDs
2. Saddam, the ruthless, shape-changing, uber devil and his minions have been killed and/or banished.
3. We’ve rebuilt the Infrastructure of Iraq, and the Iraqi’s trashed it. We did our part.
We win!
Time to bring the troops home.
July 13th, 2007 at 10:18 pmMarcus
July 13th, 2007 at 10:21 pmcant say enouth bout your bright and intellectual surrender plan. I agree, why dont u go over there and present it
2 747’s how many people is that? ok whos th moron
Comment by umbra — July 13, 2007 @ 10:00 pm
You! I stand by my math. There are only about 2 747’s full of Iraqis that are loyal to this country!!
Are you saying that Iraqis are now our BFF’s?
You are stupid to the core!!!
July 13th, 2007 at 10:23 pmdixie, ur so stupid, you dont deserve a respone but if thats waht u really think, ok. when u get your wish and all the troops pull out and the shia all get killed for your purposes. well allahakbak for u hon
July 13th, 2007 at 10:35 pmby the way, that was for a stupid person. i figured she could read it
July 13th, 2007 at 10:37 pm“It’s all part of booshie’s plan to run out the clock so he can leave the mess to the next president and he can retire to obscurity under the delusional belief that history will vindicate him. What a dick.
Comment by nffcnnr — July 13, 2007″
And you are quite the idiot!
July 13th, 2007 at 11:59 pm“Time to bring the troops home.
Comment by Marcus Aurelius — July 13, 2007″
And let Iran control the Middle East? Because that is exactly what will happen. I don’t want to hear stupid liberal responses like, well we shouldn’t have invaded Iraq! The fact is we did. And some of us understand why it was necessary. If we pull out now there will be the same domino effect we Conservatives predicted in Vietnam and Cambodia and we were right! The same thing will happen in the Middle East. Vietnam didn’t produce much of anything that the world depended on, so the Communist takeover didn’t effect our lifestyles in the West. The takeover of the Middle East and the oil fields by radical muslims will have a impact on your life that you won’t believe. You better wake up before it’s too late?
July 14th, 2007 at 12:14 amThank you Michael for your voice of reason. I hope you don’t mind if I reproduce your post, this is something that a liberal needs to here over and over again:
In response to the irrational, overly emotional Leftist statement
“Time to bring the troops home.
Michael asserts a point of view that those in touch with reality would surely endorse.
And let Iran control the Middle East? Because that is exactly what will happen. I don’t want to hear stupid liberal responses like, well we shouldn’t have invaded Iraq! The fact is we did. And some of us understand why it was necessary. If we pull out now there will be the same domino effect we Conservatives predicted in Vietnam and Cambodia and we were right! The same thing will happen in the Middle East. Vietnam didn’t produce much of anything that the world depended on, so the Communist takeover didn’t effect our lifestyles in the West. The takeover of the Middle East and the oil fields by radical muslims will have a impact on your life that you won’t believe. You better wake up before it’s too late?
Comment by michael — July 14, 2007 @ 12:14 am
Thank you again michael.
July 14th, 2007 at 12:49 amVietnam didn’t produce much of anything that the world depended on, so the Communist takeover didn’t effect our lifestyles in the West. The takeover of the Middle East and the oil fields by radical muslims will have a impact on your life that you won’t believe. You better wake up before it’s too late?
Comment by michael
What a crock of shit.
July 14th, 2007 at 12:51 amMichael:
July 14th, 2007 at 1:04 amWe put men on the moon in little to no time when we put our minds to it. We can do the same with regards to energy. There simply needs more insentive to do so and less of a stranglehld on the gov by big oil. On another note, were you the kid that took stuff from other kids that wasn’t yours just because you wanted it or thought you needed it? Just wondering
“What a crock of shit.
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — July 14, 2007″
Really? Would you please fall back on your public school education to elaborate a little more on this subject instead of cursing? Show some intelligence?
July 14th, 2007 at 1:08 am“We put men on the moon in little to no time when we put our minds to it”
Yes we did and it required LOTS of energy (OIL)!
“We can do the same with regards to energy”
Yes we can but it’s not going to happen in our lifetimes. It will require every, EVERY, industry in the world to adapt to this new energy you talk about and change the way they produce their products. Decades in the future. It’s not to say it won’t happen, but it won’t be soon.
“There simply needs more insentive to do so and less of a stranglehld on the gov by big oil”
Listen, I was in Europe back in the 70’s and I remember paying $4.00 a gallon of gas. BIG OIL makes the world go around. You need oil for practically EVERYTHING! EVERYTHING! Get over it!
Comment by dbadass — July 14, 2007
July 14th, 2007 at 1:17 amGet over it!
Comment by michael — July 14, 2007 @ 1:17 am
Perhaps what needs to be gotten over is the idea that as Americans we are entitled to inexpensive oil and that we can manipulte the lives of others in order to. You don’t make friends with arrogance.
July 14th, 2007 at 1:21 amYou need oil for practically EVERYTHING! EVERYTHING!
Well not everything but certainly many. This is why I make numerous consumer choices which reduce my consumption. Less disposable plastic shit is simple as are reusable cloth grocery bags, biking to work, and many other simple things that too many spolied and lazy folks can’t handle. Let fuel cost rise. It will force some lameasses to get their shit together and act like members of a planet
July 14th, 2007 at 1:27 am“This is why I make numerous consumer choices which reduce my consumption. Less disposable plastic shit is simple as are reusable cloth grocery bags, biking to work, and many other simple things that too many spolied and lazy folks can’t handle.
Comment by dbadass — July 14, 2007″
Cool! And if you are naive enough to think that there are people in countries like China, where pollution is the worse in the world, are making the same choices as a person living in a country with the most stringent environmental laws, you better wake up! So, keep on biking!
July 14th, 2007 at 1:45 amA tell all guide to troll-spoting
http://www.benfrank.net/disinfo/#top
pass it on.
July 14th, 2007 at 1:48 am“we can manipulte the lives of others in order to.
Comment by dbadass — July 14, 2007″
What manipulation are you referring to? Be specific?
July 14th, 2007 at 1:48 am“A tell all guide to troll-spoting
Comment by willyloman — July 14, 2007″
willi, who dug you up?
July 14th, 2007 at 1:49 amI don’t think the person you describe would be naive, I think they might be stupid. What’s you point? Is it that individuals should not make intelligent choice just because someone else might not?
July 14th, 2007 at 1:49 am“You don’t make friends with arrogance.
Comment by dbadass — July 14, 2007″
What arrogance are you talking about? The fact that we sent our military to the Middle East to make sure that the flow of oil to the rest of the world isn’t interrupted? Is that arrogance? Do you have any idea what this world will be like if the militant muslims control the oil fields in the Middle East? Tell me? What will happen if the militants control the flow of oil in the Middle East? Tell me?
July 14th, 2007 at 1:55 am“Is it that individuals should not make intelligent choice just because someone else might not?
Comment by dbadass — July 14, 2007″
No, I just think you need to adopt a little more common sense!
July 14th, 2007 at 1:58 amDo you have any idea what this world will be like if the militant muslims control the oil fields in the Middle East?
No, no I don’t and neither do you. With great change comes greater changes. Cool idea about the nobility of our cause in Iraq though. Even the administration has yet to suggest we did this on behalf of the flow of oil to all points earthly
July 14th, 2007 at 2:02 amNo, I just think you need to adopt a little more common sense!
Comment by michael — July 14, 2007 @ 1:58 am
How so?
July 14th, 2007 at 2:02 am“No, no I don’t and neither do you. With great change comes greater changes. Cool idea about the nobility of our cause in Iraq though. Even the administration has yet to suggest we did this on behalf of the flow of oil to all points earthly
Comment by dbadass — July 14, 2007″
Oh yes I do! The radical muslims who want to control the flow of oil to the west want to bring us to our knees. They don’t care about money, only to fuel their revolution, but not for worldly things like a toilet, shower, or mirror! God help them if they looked in one! Their intention is to return the world to the 13th century! I know it’s hard for us to believe, but don’t drop your guard! Although this administration has not come out and admitted that this is all about the uninterrupted flow of oil to the rest of the world, it doesn’t take a brain surgeon to understand it. Open your eyes.
July 14th, 2007 at 2:12 am“How so?
Comment by dbadass — July 14, 2007″
Read comment #76
July 14th, 2007 at 2:13 amNo you don’t. The universe works in ways far more complicated. Supposing your vision is actually correct, how can you know it is not a necessary step in a more complex path? You give yourself far too much credit for thinking you understand things. Worse yet you seem to think you are somehow in a position to suggest that somehow your “wisdom” is superior. Sounds much like the arrogance you wanted defined
July 14th, 2007 at 2:18 amOh I forgot to ask Michael but can you provide some documentation as to the “radical” muslim’s stated goal to control global oil flow. I have not seen any references to any group making any such claim. Is this another something you just know or has this goal been articulated and if so by which group?
July 14th, 2007 at 2:23 amWhat will happen if the militants control the flow of oil in the Middle East? Tell me?
Comment by michael — July 14, 2007 @ 1:55 am
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Oil prices will go through the roof and the militants will most likely make demands (such as the annihilation of Israel), and if the “West” doesn’t comply to the threats, they will set the oil fields on fire.
More than likely they would blow up the oil fields any way.
Just my opinion…
July 14th, 2007 at 2:24 am“Worse yet you seem to think you are somehow in a position to suggest that somehow your “wisdom†is superior. Sounds much like the arrogance you wanted defined
Comment by dbadass — July 14, 2007″
My God! You almost sound like the German Jews from the 1930’s! Keep challenging someone who is telling you that you are in danger! I’m not saying that my opinion is superior to yours but try to understand what is at risk here? You liberals are la de dah, nothing can happen to us. WAKE UP!!!!!!
July 14th, 2007 at 2:26 amComment by dbadass — July 14, 2007 @ 2:23 am
Radical Islamists have indeed stated that the infidels (Westerners) must be eliminated and expelled from the Muslim lands in the ME.
These lands also happen to sit on top of massive gas and oil reserves.
July 14th, 2007 at 2:28 amThey don’t care about money, only to fuel their revolution, but not for worldly things like a toilet, shower, or mirror!
Another one of those things you know? Where do they poop? You’d have thought a family like the Bin Laden’s or all of those Taliban diplomats might have indoor plumbing. They must have felt really out of place hobnobing with the Bushes what with shitting anywhere, not showering, and not having a mirror for George’s blow.
I hear all people in Africa wear animals skins, live in huts and run around throwing spears. About the need for some common sense?
July 14th, 2007 at 2:31 am“Oh I forgot to ask Michael but can you provide some documentation as to the “radical†muslim’s stated goal to control global oil flow. I have not seen any references to any group making any such claim. Is this another something you just know or has this goal been articulated and if so by which group?
Comment by dbadass — July 14, 2007″
Mr President, here is a perfect example of liberal denial. They will not admit that we are at war with the muslim world until they have a rag around their head and forced to bend over to relieve themselves of that head! They believe they can negotiate with people who will slit their throats no matter what they agree to. What makes liberals so STUPID?
July 14th, 2007 at 2:32 amRadical Islamists have indeed stated that the infidels (Westerners) must be eliminated and expelled from the Muslim lands in the ME.
These lands also happen to sit on top of massive gas and oil reserves.
Comment by Mr. President — July 14, 2007 @ 2:28 am
Irrelevant as it does not address the question asked
July 14th, 2007 at 2:32 am“I hear all people in Africa wear animals skins, live in huts and run around throwing spears. About the need for some common sense?
Comment by dbadass — July 14, 2007″
And your point?
July 14th, 2007 at 2:33 am“Irrelevant as it does not address the question asked
Comment by dbadass — July 14, 2007″
Which is? By the way, good night and liberals, get an education?
July 14th, 2007 at 2:34 amMr President, here is a perfect example of liberal denial. They will not admit that we are at war with the muslim world until they have a rag around their head and forced to bend over to relieve themselves of that head! They believe they can negotiate with people who will slit their throats no matter what they agree to. What makes liberals so STUPID?
Comment by michael — July 14, 2007 @ 2:32 am
For a moment earlier on I thought you might be interesting despite differences of opion. Clearly I was mistaken. This has nothing to do with what I asked. I am quessing you do not have the information I requested but just don’t wish to say so. It’s okay I understand…
July 14th, 2007 at 2:35 amThe problem is that we are not on the same page as our enemy here.
The Radicals want power over Muslims across the globe, especially in the Middle East. The US wants a stable world economy, and we do not want any stupid attacks on Americans.
Saudi Arabia, an oil rich nation, is also the homeland of Islam. Bin Laden is actually a Saudi exile and he has sworn revenge on his home because they are too “Westernized.”
Here is Osama’s “Declaration of War against the Americans Occupying the Land of the Two Holy Places.”
July 14th, 2007 at 2:40 amhttp://www.pbs.org/newshour/terrorism/international/fatwa_1996.html
You liberals are la de dah, nothing can happen to us. WAKE UP!!!!!!
Comment by michael — July 14, 2007 @ 2:26 am
Michael you continue to fall into a pattern of thinking which suggest you know? How could you possibly know my personal politics? It is the assumptions you make which indicate a mistaken air of superiority
July 14th, 2007 at 2:42 amOh I forgot to ask Michael but can you provide some documentation as to the “radical†muslim’s stated goal to control global oil flow. I have not seen any references to any group making any such claim. Is this another something you just know or has this goal been articulated and if so by which group?
Comment by dbadass — July 14, 2007 @ 2:23 am
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Yes!
Basically, he is saying that the way the Saudi princes do business is corrupt because of “competition” for “personal gains” (Capitalism)
Osama elaborates:
Here, in this last paragraph, he is saying that the current Saudi regime (the rulers) were being controlled by their non-Muslim masters (the USA), and that they should not be allowed to exist.
July 14th, 2007 at 3:03 amMr. President:
July 14th, 2007 at 3:12 amI am not sure what your intent is. I get this. Is this still some attempt to show evidence for any organized group other than multinationals to control the flow of global oil because that is what Michael and I where discussing. If your point is that OBL doesn’t like certain stuff, I already know that.
Comment by dbadass — July 14, 2007 @ 3:12 am
I’ve provided you with a response to your question:
Oh I forgot to ask Michael but can you provide some documentation as to the “radical†muslim’s stated goal to control global oil flow. I have not seen any references to any group making any such claim. Is this another something you just know or has this goal been articulated and if so by which group?
Comment by dbadass — July 14, 2007 @ 2:23 am
You were asking Michael, but my answer is in the affirmative!
Yes, I can provide documentation as to the ‘radical’ muslims’ stated goal to control global oil flow!!!
No, it is not something I ‘just know’ but indeed Osama bin Laden has articulated the goal!!!
His group, as we all know, is called Al Qaida!
Here is yet another example from the link I posted above:
(by the way, OBL’s crazy declaration was written before PNAC’s)
Here is the link again:
July 14th, 2007 at 3:27 amhttp://www.pbs.org/newshour/terrorism/international/fatwa_1996.html
the soon to be established Islamic state, by Allah’s Permission and Grace.
July 14th, 2007 at 3:30 am————————————————————-
Looks like you didn’t get Allah’s Permission and Grace, did ya, Osama?!?!?!?!!?
hEyOOOOOOOOOOoOOoooooOOOOOOoooOOOoooOOo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Comment by michael — July 14, 2007 @ 2:32 am
Once it becomes obvious to the libs that muslims agree with the religious right on social issues and vote that way THEN the muslims will be the enemy.
July 14th, 2007 at 7:54 amTHAT’S KILLED NOT LOST OR FALLEN BUT KILLED (DEAD) AS IN NEVER AGAIN SEEN BY THERE LOVED ONES (THAT INCLUDES CHILDREN).
July 14th, 2007 at 2:08 pm““Oh I forgot to ask Michael but can you provide some documentation as to the “radical†muslim’s stated goal to control global oil flow.
Comment by dbadass — July 14, 2007″
Are you really this stupid? Have you forgotten about their attempt to secure some of the oil fields in Saudi Arabia a few months ago? You might consider changing the letters dbad to dumb in your screen name!
July 14th, 2007 at 2:21 pmBut who is fighting for Baghdad? Its a civil war between Iraqi’s with Americans sitting in the middle being used for target practice and bonus points with foreign governments.
July 14th, 2007 at 10:12 pmBush is running out of time. The American people have lost their patience with him. We have lost more American lives in Iraq than we lost on 9-11. Iraq has nothing to do with 9-11 or bin Laden. Saddam had no WMDs. Ambassador Wilson was right. The surge has failed. Yet he continues to pursue a policy that is wrong and is costing us more American lives each day. If he had bothered to serve in Vietnam he would have more respect for the troops and their families. He would also understand the true cost of war.
July 14th, 2007 at 11:23 pmcheck
July 31st, 2007 at 3:05 pm