Murtha: Bush ‘Delusional’ About Iraq Progress
Murtha: Bush ‘Delusional’ About Iraq Progress
Rep. John Murtha (D-PA) — whose call for immediate redeployment in Nov. 2005 helped propel a national dialogue about withdrawal — said on CNN yesterday that Bush’s claims of progress are “delusional, to say the least”:
Nothing has gotten better. Incidents have increased. We’ve had more Americans killed in the last four months than any other period during the war. More Iraqis have been killed. Incidents are up. Unemployment is still 40 percent to 60 percent. Oil production is below prewar level. And this — this rhetoric about the constitution and the changes — they say, well, they’re making changes. There’s no changes that have been made.
Watch it:
Murtha said he sees “more and more people coming around. I’m more optimistic than I’ve ever been that we’re going to start redeployment before long.”
CNN’s Wolf Blitzer asked Murtha how he would respond to the administration’s claims that a withdrawal would embolden al Qaeda to take over Iraq and establish a home base from which to attack America. “They see us as occupiers and they fire up the Sunnis and Shias,” Murtha responded. “As soon as we leave, the Shias and the Sunnis will get rid of Al Qaeda, because they’re such a small group.”
He added the administration has continued “to say for four -and-a-half years there’s progress. So why would I believe that there’s going to be chaos just because they say it?”
BLITZER: All right, what do you say to the president?
MURTHA: Well, it’s delusional, to say the least. As I said earlier, and you heard me say, it’s a failed policy wrapped in illusion. Nothing has gotten better. Incidents have increased. We’ve had more Americans killed in the last four months than any other period during the war. More Iraqis have been killed. Incidents are up. Unemployment is still 40 percent to 60 percent. Oil production is below prewar level. And this — this rhetoric about the constitution and the changes — they say, well, they’re making changes. There’s no changes that have been made. They haven’t done the thing that’s necessary in order to satisfy the Sunnis.
So our troops are caught in a civil war. As I’ve said over and over again, It can’t be won militarily. There can only be a diplomatic effort. And I think this surge is a perfect example where we aren’t making any progress and we’ve got to start to redeploy the troops as quickly as possible. […]
Now, I see more and more people coming around. I’m more optimistic than I’ve ever been that we’re going to start redeployment before long. The problem we’ve had, Wolf, and the thing that’s happened that’s so — hurting the troops so badly is they extend these people and break all of the rules and guidelines they have because they haven’t been able to raise the number of forces that they have. […]
BLITZER: Well, the president says if you do that, if the U.S. were to simply withdraw, as bad as the situation is now, it would be a whole lot worse, not only for the Iraqis, but for the entire region. And he also raises the specter of Al Qaeda having a base there from which to attack America.
MURTHA: Well, first of all, let me say there’s more Al Qaeda because we’re in Iraq. That’s the incentive for the Iraqis — for the al Qaeda. They see us as occupiers and they fire up the Sunnis and Shias. As soon as we leave, the Shias and the Sunnis will get rid of Al Qaeda, because they’re such a small group. They actually incentivize them.
So, because the president and the White House says that we’re going to have chaos, it doesn’t mean we’re going to. Heaven’s sakes, the Iraqis want us out of there. They think we’re occupiers. And they said there’s weapons of mass destruction. They said there’s an al Qaeda connection. They continue to say for four -and-a-half years there’s progress.
So why would I believe that there’s going to be chaos just because they say it?
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July 13th, 2007 at 11:13 amI watched this last night.
Murtha handed Bush his ass, just like M. Moore did to Blitzer earlier this week.
Wolf, Bush, how’s it feel to have your ass handed to you?
July 13th, 2007 at 11:13 amMurtha is a crook. Nuff said.
July 13th, 2007 at 11:14 amYes but does Jack Murtha have a built-in terra-alert system in his guts like Michael Jerkoff?
-GSD
July 13th, 2007 at 11:15 am“but real, real, REAL slow in convicting our enemies of murder and torture.”
I call bullshit. Post something to prove this outrageous assertion, or apologize.
July 13th, 2007 at 11:16 am#4 - ha ha. Yet, if America is attacked, you will chide Bush for not warning us.
As far as the left, Bush can do nothing right. I wish he would stop trying.
July 13th, 2007 at 11:18 amMurtha speaks the truth.
Not nuff said.
More needs to be said and looked at and scrutinized instead of taking the word of a coke snorting military dodging dry drunk.
July 13th, 2007 at 11:18 amHe’s dead on about the whole believing Bush thing.
Nothing the Bush administration has ever predicted about Iraq has been correct. NOTHING. So tell me why I should believe their doom and gloom prediction if we leave?
July 13th, 2007 at 11:20 amshut up and do your god damn job and get them out now. Is it true you are going down for bribery? screw all the talk you hot air balloons seem to let forth, do something, or get the hell out of the way for someone that can
July 13th, 2007 at 11:22 am“Is it true you are going down for bribery? ”
No.
July 13th, 2007 at 11:23 amMurtha is a sick, bitter old man.
July 13th, 2007 at 11:24 amComment by Ringo the Gringo — July 13, 2007 @ 11:24 am
Bush is a sick, bitter old man.
Cheney is a sick, bitter old man.
There, fixed it for you.
July 13th, 2007 at 11:26 am#7 - Stop trashing Bill Clinton.
July 13th, 2007 at 11:29 amComment by Ringo the Gringo — July 13, 2007 @ 11:24 am
Bush is a sick, bitter old man.
Cheney is a sick, bitter old man.
There, fixed it for you.
Comment by bobcat_grad — July 13, 2007 @ 11:26 am
bocat_grad is a bitter old man.
there fixed it for you.
July 13th, 2007 at 11:30 amGood for Murtha!
I love when he’s honest, and shares facts that no one else in the Bush Regime seems to be willing to acknowledge, much less share.
July 13th, 2007 at 11:30 amHe added the administration has continued “to say for four -and-a-half years there’s progress. So why would I believe that there’s going to be chaos just because they say it?â€
Damn! Good point.
July 13th, 2007 at 11:30 amSorry, righties, the sad fact is that we are going to get hit by a terror attack on US soil and it will be Bush’s fault for not heeding intelligence reports (as he did with 9/11) or crying Wolf so many times that no one pays attention any longer.
That’s not good government. That’s fearmongering which does nothing for our country.
Bush is not for America. Bush is for Money (for him and his cronies). Nothing more.
July 13th, 2007 at 11:31 amComment by bobcat_grad — July 13, 2007 @ 11:26 am
Bush is a sick, bitter old dry drunk
Cheney is a mutated form of pure evil.
Had adjust that a bit.
July 13th, 2007 at 11:31 amAs far as the left, Bush can do nothing right. I wish he would stop trying.
Comment by God Help Us — July 13, 2007 @ 11:18 am
so do we
July 13th, 2007 at 11:33 amSorry, righties, the sad fact is that we are going to get hit by a terror attack on US soil and it will be Bush’s fault for not heeding intelligence reports (as he did with 9/11) or crying Wolf so many times that no one pays attention any longer.
Comment by MsJoanne — July 13, 2007 @ 11:31 am
124 world wirde terrorist attacks in 2001
204 in 2003
11,110 in 2005
nearly 14,000 in 2006.
Oh yeah, the odds definitely support that realistic assement. We’re due. Thanks Chimp.
July 13th, 2007 at 11:37 amI love watching the trolls talk about “bribery” and “corruption” on the part of Jack Murtha while conveniently forgetting to mention Randy Cunningham, Jack Abramoff, Stephen Griles, Tom DeLay, Alberto Gonzales, Paul Wolfowitz, Dick Cheney and others in the Bush cabal.
You would think given that the trolls get their “news” from the fair and balanced network they would endeavor to provide balance in their attacks here. But nope, they conveniently forget that Repugnicans are the epitome of corruption. Heckuva job, trolls.
July 13th, 2007 at 11:39 amMurtha is a crook. Nuff said.
Comment by God Help Us
Got proof or link? Or just more Rovian crap.
July 13th, 2007 at 11:39 amSix months before Bush invaded Iraq, Al Gore said that a pre-emptive war on Iraq would increase the number of terrorists, undercut US influence in the region, and diminish US legitimacy in the world affairs.
Al Gore was 100% right.
George Bush was 100% wrong.
Rightwingers don’t have what it takes to win a war: regular contact with reality. They live in Fantasyland.
July 13th, 2007 at 11:41 amIf the alliance with local chieftains in Anbar Province is working so well, why not focus our efforts there, where Al Qaeda in Iraq seems to be the most active? Seems we could keep a better eye, as well, on the western borders, which is where foreign fighters and supplies get smuggled into Iraq. If things got too hairy, there are three major highways out–one to Saudi Arabia, two to Jordan, one relatively friendly Arab nation.
In the meantime, get everybody else the hell OUT of Iraq. I’d suggest turning the Baghdad embassy into an amusement center: bowling alleys, driving ranges, racquetball courts, pool hall, pool, weight rooms, laser tag for the kiddies.
Or, just blow the goddam thing up.
July 13th, 2007 at 11:41 amwhen has dumby EVER tried to do the right thing?
oh… well… to do the CORRECT thing, then…
so sad that the word has taken on such a negative connotation…
July 13th, 2007 at 11:43 am…
Oops, mistake. That’s two highways to Saudi and one to Jordan. We also could keep one eyeball on Syria. Let the Special Forces do their thing in Anbar.
July 13th, 2007 at 11:45 am#13…you mean Bush was never a “coke snorting military dodging dry drunk”????
Wow, when did that change?
July 13th, 2007 at 11:46 amThanks for the reminder on Al Gore Arthur C.
July 13th, 2007 at 11:48 am“As far as the left, Bush can do nothing right. I wish he would stop trying.”
Comment by God Help Us — July 13, 2007 @ 11:18 am
How can he stop trying to do something right when he never started?
If Murtha is a criminal and ergo not believable then by your own logic we shouldn’t believe ANYTHING this Administration says, no?
July 13th, 2007 at 11:50 amWhere does this idiot get off saying that the President delusional???
OOh!!!
The bloody Islamic Jihad civil war, yeah, that can’t be won militarily!
riiiiiight…
July 13th, 2007 at 11:53 am“The provision of the Constitution giving the war-making power to Congress was dictated, as I understand it, by the following reasons. Kings had always been involving and impoverishing their people in wars, pretending generally, if not always, that the good of the people was the object. This, our Convention understood to be the most oppressive of all Kingly oppressions; and they resolved to so frame the Constitution that no one man should hold the power of bringing this oppression upon us.”
“You cannot escape the responsibility of tomorrow by evading it today.”
-Abraham Lincoln
Where’s your table Pelosi?
July 13th, 2007 at 11:53 amwhen has dumby EVER tried to do the right thing?
oh… well… to do the CORRECT thing, then…
katy
Go to any financial website and look at the stock market, katy. It seems to set new records about every week, another one today. Despite Bush selfishly lowering taxes for his wealthy buddies. Imagine that!
July 13th, 2007 at 11:53 amMurtha… shut your fat old face before someone shuts it for you!
July 13th, 2007 at 11:54 amYuck, I almost stepped in a steamin’ pile of troll food.
July 13th, 2007 at 11:55 amComment by Mr. President
Colonitis acting up again? That last one stunk to high heaven.
July 13th, 2007 at 11:56 amIf you define progress as things getting worse by the day, week and month, then yessir, progress is being made.
July 13th, 2007 at 11:56 amGood point, Katy. Bush has NEVER TRIED to do the right thing for Americans. He has certainly done the right thing for his WEALTHY CRONIES.
More poverty. More uninsured. Housing crisis. Personal debt crisis. Record deficits. Stagnant economy. And that’s just his FAILED domestic policy!
July 13th, 2007 at 11:57 ambarfly,
At least this idiot could tell the truth.
July 13th, 2007 at 11:58 amHe makes it seem like the US is helping alkaida!
If the US leaves Iraq, alkaida will just become more organized, and capable!
Murtha… shut your fat old face before someone shuts it for you!
Comment by Mr. President
I bet Murtha, a true war veteran, is scared to death of your threats. Keyboard chickenhawks afraid to join the military aren’t too scarey.
July 13th, 2007 at 11:58 amAs far as the left, Bush can do nothing right. I wish he would stop trying.
Comment by God Help Us
The whole world wishes he would stop too! When you fu(k up everything you touch, that ain’t the Midas touch… That is called gross criminalbehavior!
July 13th, 2007 at 11:59 amHe makes it seem like the US is helping alkaida!
Um, George Bush created AQ-in-Iraq, ya dumbass.
July 13th, 2007 at 11:59 am#27 - Stop attacking Bush as a draft dodger. Bill Clinton was a draft dodger and liberals didn’t seem to mind that.
I am so sick of the self righteous left and their lies. There is a special place in hell for those who lust for the blood of our soldiers so they can attack Bush.
July 13th, 2007 at 12:00 pmMaybe it’s time we stopped attending Bush’s civics class for megalomaniacs. At his press conference yesterday (or, as we in the real world call it, “The Recitation o’ the Points of Talking”), Bush said of the separation of powers as regards the war, ” I don’t think Congress ought to be running the war. I think they ought to be funding our troops… Congress has all the right in the world to fund. That’s their main involvement in this war, which is to provide funds for our troops. What you’re asking is whether or not Congress ought to be basically determining how troops are positioned, or troop strength. And I don’t think that would be good for the country.” Beyond the fact that it’s not really “in the world” that Congress has the right to fund - it’s in, like, the Constitution, Bush’s agreement or disagreement with that is a non-issue. It’s like standing on the ground and pretending that you’re giving permission for the clouds to move. It’s cute, but worthless: those clouds don’t give a f*ck about your opinion.
http://rudepundit.blogspot.com/
July 13th, 2007 at 12:01 pmHey Robious-
$8,875,244,648,129.49
That’s the National defecit thanks in whole to your boy’s financial policies
Clinton’s federal surplus-$230 billion
so you can just STFU you mindless flying monkey
July 13th, 2007 at 12:01 pmIf the US leaves Iraq, alkaida will just become more organized, and capable!
Comment by Mr. President — July 13, 2007 @ 11:58 am
Weren’t we just told that despite being in Iraq their strength has reached pre 911 status? Maybe I dreamed that news item or maybe it was just another scare tactic or maybe Mr President is just full of shit.
July 13th, 2007 at 12:01 pm“He makes it seem like the US is helping alkaida!”
After Abu Ghraib, and other atrocities yet to be uncovered, it would appear Bush is helping Al Qaeda recruit new terrorists.
July 13th, 2007 at 12:02 pm#32 Go to any financial website and look at the stock market, katy. It seems to set new records about every week, another one today. Despite Bush selfishly lowering taxes for his wealthy buddies. Imagine that!
Comment by robious
And take away the oil and military/contracting companies and where is that market?
Also, hope your Grandkids like paying their US mortgage bill to China in 25 years.
Get a clue!!
July 13th, 2007 at 12:02 pmComment by RUCerious — July 13, 2007 @ 11:56 am
That’s what GW means. “We’ve gone so far (off track) since the begining of this War (never been declared but I get to call it one) so we need more time (to think up other diversional shit while my stock portfolio swells) to really see what the Iraqi people can do (how much more can we blame others for my own f%#k up).
Thanks to Murtha and the other voices in Congress that won’t let the BS Bush administration continue to get away with it.
Time to crawl back to Crawford GW.
July 13th, 2007 at 12:02 pm#41 - reality check for libtards - We weren’t in Iraq on 9/11 and Al Qaeda still slammed planes into our buildings. I suppose the seven and half months Bush was in office was just enough for them. He incited hate. Had nothing to do with Clinton in Kosovo or anything like that. It was all Bush’s fault.
The left will burn in hell. I am sure of it.
July 13th, 2007 at 12:02 pmSounds like this Murtha guy has all the answers.
July 13th, 2007 at 12:02 pmToo bad the Dems didn’t elect him president.
#46 - yes and we can thank Lindy England and the MSM for that. The media should have been tried and executed for treason for airing that propoganda. Way to help the enemy.
July 13th, 2007 at 12:03 pm“If the US leaves Iraq, alkaida will just become more organized, and capable!”
Comment by Mr. President
That’s already occurring. They are getting lots of info about our operating procedures, from embedded terrorists.
July 13th, 2007 at 12:04 pm#52 - if only Daddy Bush and Billary took care of Hussein in the 90’s, we wouldn’t be in this mess right now. Oh - I ‘m sorry - let’s not forget Clinton’s air attack on the eve of his impeachment. Anything to wag the dog.
July 13th, 2007 at 12:05 pmIf the US leaves Iraq, alkaida will just become more organized, and capable!
Comment by Mr. President
Yeah? Well, genius, our BEING THERE isn’t exactly hampering their efforts any.
July 13th, 2007 at 12:05 pmAfter Abu Ghraib, and other atrocities yet to be uncovered, it would appear Bush is helping Al Qaeda recruit new terrorists.
Comment by barfly — July 13, 2007 @ 12:02 pm
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That is like saying
“The Bulls help the Lakers, everytime the make a basket!”
July 13th, 2007 at 12:06 pm#49 #41 - reality check for libtards - We weren’t in Iraq on 9/11 and Al Qaeda still slammed planes into our buildings. I suppose the seven and half months Bush was in office was just enough for them. He incited hate. Had nothing to do with Clinton in Kosovo or anything like that. It was all Bush’s fault.
The left will burn in hell. I am sure of it.
Comment by God Help Us
Reread the post! It says he created AQ IN IRAQ after the invasion and occupation. Argue with that one!
Plus he protected his famiily butt-hole buddy, OBL and let hims stay free and of course, where did the hijackers and their money come from; the BushCo favorite country, Saudi Arabia!!
July 13th, 2007 at 12:06 pm#41 - reality check for libtards…
News flash, junior: AQ of OBL, responsible for 9-11, has no connection to AQ-in-Iraq. Bush let OBL escape, instead invaiding Iraq, which gave rise to a new organization, AQ-in-Iraq.
PS: when you say “libtard,” it’s like advertising that you have the mind of an 11-year-old.
July 13th, 2007 at 12:06 pmThe left will burn in hell. I am sure of it.
Comment by God Help Us — July 13, 2007 @ 12:02 pm
There is no god, ergo, no hell. Unless you consider reading your illogical and paranoid rants to be its own ‘hell’, then, in which case, we’re already there every time you show up…
July 13th, 2007 at 12:06 pmMurtha is right in that as long as the Shia and Sunnis have a common enemy with Al Qaeda (and that would be us), AQ will have their sympathy. Once the enemy is gone, there’s no reason that relationship would still exist.
And even if Al Qaeda managed to subdue the Iraqis enough to set up a “base”, what would that do? They already have sleeper cells. They already have training camps. They already have “bases”. Are we supposed to think they are looking for a world-wide headquarters complete with landscaping, fountains, and a fancy sign in the front? They don’t need another base. They need a constant supply of recruits — and we are currently their best marketing tool.
July 13th, 2007 at 12:07 pmMurtha’s the man–Wolf is a waterboy.
Wolf: “what would you say to the administration’s claim…”
Hey Wolf: Why don’t you name one thing the administration’s gotten right in seven years.
July 13th, 2007 at 12:07 pmembedded terrorists.
Comment by barfly — July 13, 2007 @ 12:04 pm
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Exactly why we need to crack down, and start keeping tabs on suspicious activity, EVERYWHERE!!!
July 13th, 2007 at 12:07 pm“It was all Bush’s fault.”
Let’s not be hasty. There’s plenty of blame to go around - for other republican presidents, who coddled dictators, and sold weapons to terrorists (while telling the American people, “we never negotiate with terrorists”). Why do republicans perform obviously traitorous acts? That’s a question for the ages.
July 13th, 2007 at 12:08 pmWeren’t we just told that despite being in Iraq their strength has reached pre 911 status?
Comment by dbadass — July 13, 2007 @ 12:01 pm
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Nope.
July 13th, 2007 at 12:09 pm“The Bulls help the Lakers, everytime the make a basket!â€
Comment by Mr. President
Has there ever been a more specious comparison? I’m betting no.
July 13th, 2007 at 12:09 pmI wish he would stop trying.
Comment by God Help Us
At last, something we can agree on. We ALL wish he’d stop trying… and just GO AWAY, back to Crawford, and clear brush, and brush up his testimony for the war crimes trials.
Oh, and let someone do the job who CAN do the job.
July 13th, 2007 at 12:09 pm#42, hmmm…what would you call your daddy getting you a post in the Air National Guard stateside so you wouldn’t have to be sent to Vietnam? Also, I noticed that you didn’t address the comment about Bush being a “coke snorting dry drunk”. Is that part not true, or did you just conveniently choose to ignore it?
Really, if there was a lie posted in the question I asked, then provide the proof, until then I will continue to ask…you mean Bush was never a “coke snorting military dodging dry drunkâ€
July 13th, 2007 at 12:09 pmLet’s think about the claim of Al Qaeda taking over in Iraq. Isn’t our biggest achievemnent of the last 6 months the settling down of Anbar province due to the conversion of the tribal leaders to defeat Al Qaeda? If we have been able to convince such a small part of Iraq is convinced that Al Qaeda does not speak for them, why would it be any different for the whole country. Al Qaeda’s strength in Iraq is that they are fighting us.
July 13th, 2007 at 12:09 pm#45 (Comment by dbadass — July 13, 2007 @ 12:01 pm): http://www.reuters.com/ article/ politicsNews/ idUSN1241057620070712?pageNumber=2
It turns out that much like Mr. President, all Chertoff was doing with his ‘gut feeling’ was shouting….
PHEAR!!!!!1!11!111!!1!one!
They’re afraid the American Public is waking up to the whole scream ‘Terrerists R gonna getcha!’ routine and calling BS. Ya know, kinda like the whole CLINTON DID TI!!!!1!1 thing?
But I say let ‘em continue. Just in case we independents and moderates start forgetting how Bush 43 ran the US into the ground, yaknow?
July 13th, 2007 at 12:10 pmGod Help Us, Read the entire post of #41 again. It says AQ-in-Iraq not AQ. AQ-in-Iraq didn’t even exist until 2004 and had nothing to do with 9/11 so drop the missplaced outrage and read more.
Besides that, I hope you enjoy this website.
July 13th, 2007 at 12:10 pmHas there ever been a more specious comparison? I’m betting no.
Comment by barfly — July 13, 2007 @ 12:09 pm
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Fine. It’s like saying poachers help endangered species whenever they kill them!
July 13th, 2007 at 12:13 pmI wonder why TP didn’t make some noise about Wofie getting his ass handed to him by Michael Moore the other night??
July 13th, 2007 at 12:13 pmWolfie needed two hands and a wheelbarrow to hold his ass.
Mr Pee, actually, the way the Bulls play D, it is kinda like they want their opponents to score big time.
July 13th, 2007 at 12:14 pmHad nothing to do with Clinton in Kosovo or anything like that. It was all Bush’s fault.
The left will burn in hell. I am sure of it.
Comment by God Help Us
What an ignorant, obnoxious fool. The people being slaughtered in Kosovo were Moslems. The point of going into Kosovo was to STOP this. Ever feel like you’re trying to debate w/ someone who’s just too damned stupid for their own good?
July 13th, 2007 at 12:14 pmFine. It’s like saying poachers help endangered species whenever they kill them!
Comment by Mr. President — July 13, 2007 @ 12:13 pm
No, it’s like saying friends help Bush every time they give him a beer.
More exclamation points, please, Pee. Otherwise we might actually read your posts.
July 13th, 2007 at 12:15 pmLet the Sunnis Crack Heads
July 13th, 2007 at 12:16 pmIraq was ruled by brutality and an iron hand before we arrived.
Iraq will be ruled by brutality and an iron hand after we leave.
There is no logical formulation or acceptable political arrangement that would allow for the U.S. and the future ruling force, emphasize ‘force’, to combine in the required brutality to bring Iraq under control.
If the Shiites can’t dominate Iraq on their own, then let the Sunnis crack heads and reestablish their police state.
Technically, geopolitically, we would be better off.
Al Qaeda’s strength in Iraq is that they are fighting us.
Comment by Greg — July 13, 2007 @ 12:09 pm
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No shit. We are in Iraq to secure and rebuild the economic infrastructure. If alkaida is there, what do think is going to happen???
(hint: think pre-9-1-1 Taliban ruled Afganistan)
July 13th, 2007 at 12:16 pmThat is like saying
“The Bulls help the Lakers, everytime the make a basket!â€
Actually, Mr. P, it’s like saying “the Washington Generals help the Globetrotters make a basket, everytime.”
July 13th, 2007 at 12:16 pmHey, Mr. PeeBrain, you sound like a scared little school girl…what’s the matter, your world crumbling down around you.
You’re still an idiot today, just like yesterday.
Butt Slush the favorite Slurpy Drink of CT_V1.
July 13th, 2007 at 12:17 pm“Fine. It’s like saying poachers help endangered species whenever they kill them!”
Comment by Mr. President
Another specious comparison. Terrorists are in no way an endangered species. They are the opposite.
July 13th, 2007 at 12:19 pmComment by Craig Johnson — July 13, 2007 @ 12:16 pm
Most of what you say is true.
However, even though there is no diplomatic or political way to pacify these animals… that doesn’t mean we can’t use excessive force to get the point across!
July 13th, 2007 at 12:19 pmComment by barfly — July 13, 2007 @ 12:19 pm
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Okay. I’ll put it in terms a Leftist loony-toon can understand:
It’s like saying more industrial waste and smog helps global warming!
July 13th, 2007 at 12:21 pm(hint: think pre-9-1-1 Taliban ruled Afganistan)
Comment by Mr. President
And Bush gave them 45 million bucks. Now there was money well spent! *snerk*
What a coddler of terrorists.
July 13th, 2007 at 12:22 pm#66 - be careful, Mr. Hateful. The top Dems and most likely candidate have no military experience AT ALL. Breck Girl Edwards - NONE. Obama - NONE. Hillary - NONE. Don’t start a fight you can’t win.
F*ck you, Think Progress. Bush is President and there is NOTHING you can do about it. The spineless Democrats will NEVER get the votes to impeach. Be nice or you’ll get another Alito on the Court and we’ll start a war with Iran. There is NOTHING you can do to stop it!!
July 13th, 2007 at 12:22 pmNo, if America is attacked, it is DIRECTLY because of his policy in Iraq. They are creating enemies, inciting and DARING our enemies to attack the US, and when they do, they will try to spin that into why we need to stay.
We are helping Al Qaeda and the Taliban to recruit. We are training them in Combat - making them more effective. While at the same time, we are depleting our defensive protection. Essentially we are spending money to create more enemies and neglecting our own security.
If you don’t believe me, refer to the FBI,NSA,CIA for information. They are said that terrorism has INCREASED as a DIRECT result of our occupation of Iraq. Regular Iraqis are picking up arms because they are increasingly seeing the US as the aggressors. It won’t be long before Al Qaeda is seen as liberators.
If you don’t believe me or our intelligence agencies, then sign your ass up, go to Iraq and see for yourself. But of course, I am sure that Bush knows more than our intelligence agencies.
July 13th, 2007 at 12:23 pmStop attacking Bush as a draft dodger. Bill Clinton was a draft dodger and liberals didn’t seem to mind that.
I am so sick of the self righteous left and their lies. There is a special place in hell for those who lust for the blood of our soldiers so they can attack Bush.
Comment by God Help Us
It was you neocons that crucified Clinton over the draft and then thought nothing of AWOL Bush. Hypocrites over every stinking issue, God better help you.
Lust for the blood of our soldier, that’s you Repukes who want them to stay in the middle of a civil war so Bush cronies can get their oil. Look in the mirror, fool. The enemy is you.
July 13th, 2007 at 12:24 pmGHU gets mighty rattled. I wonder if he really wants God to help all of us or just what GHU believes?
July 13th, 2007 at 12:25 pmWhy don’t you check out WHO SERVED
July 13th, 2007 at 12:26 pmIt’s like saying more industrial waste and smog helps global warming!
Comment by Mr. President
Define “helps.”
If you mean from the standpoint of spreading GW, then yes. Now there’s an apt moniker: GW (Global Warming) Bush!
July 13th, 2007 at 12:26 pmThe media should have been tried and executed for treason for airing that propoganda. Way to help the enemy.
Comment by God Help Us
I thought you died in a bunker Mr. Hitler.
July 13th, 2007 at 12:28 pmIf you mean from the standpoint of spreading GW, then yes. Now there’s an apt moniker: GW (Global Warming) Bush!
Comment by barfly — July 13, 2007 @ 12:26 pm
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No, I said it like a typical Leftist Global Warming nutter would!
July 13th, 2007 at 12:28 pmOh, and Mr. P? I’ve been reading your comments lately about Zooey, and I’m here to tell you to knock that sh*t off. I am TP’s resident drunk, and if you persist, I will thrash you, drunken-boxer style.
Be warned.
July 13th, 2007 at 12:30 pm#83…actually its “Ms. Hateful”. I suppose if you are gonna talk about me, you should at least get the gender right.
And since you want to discuss the lack of military service of the “top” Dems, lets talk about the lack of military service in the current administration….
George Bush…military dodging, coke snorting, dry drunk. Dick Cheney…received at least 5 deferments from service because he went to school (draft dodger). Condoleeza Rice…no military service. Fredo Gonzalez…no military service, unless you want to count his two years at the Air Force Academy. I suppose I could go on and on and on…
Actually, this is a fight I can win and do a better job that the Resident Idiot of the White House and his criminally connected flunkies.
Have a fabulous day…!!!!
July 13th, 2007 at 12:31 pmHey There is NO God Help Us - you are even more of a moron than Mr. PeeBrain - no I take that back. You are just a slimey, scum sucking moron who is just as stupid as Mr. PeeBrain.
July 13th, 2007 at 12:32 pmBy the way just thought you would like to know that there is NO GOD, it is a made up fairytale, no heaven, no hell, but of course you are not the sharpest tool in the shed and can’t figure that one out.
Oh and TP say Fu(k you too and the jackass you rode in on.
barfly,
That was Flaco…
Frankly, I’m disappointed in you. I would have thought that you could tell the difference!
July 13th, 2007 at 12:33 pmPS: when you say “libtard,†it’s like advertising that you have the mind of an 11-year-old.
Comment by Arthur C.
Truth in advertising, finally.
July 13th, 2007 at 12:35 pmThat was Flaco…
Frankly, I’m disappointed in you. I would have thought that you could tell the difference!
Comment by Mr. President — July 13, 2007 @ 12:33 pm
If you count the number of exclamation points, you can tell the difference.
July 13th, 2007 at 12:36 pm“That was Flaco…”
Pass the word.
July 13th, 2007 at 12:36 pmHey Robious-
$8,875,244,648,129.49
That’s the National defecit thanks in whole to your boy’s financial policies
Clinton’s federal surplus-$230 billion
so you can just STFU you mindless flying monkey
A Patriot Acting
Typical. Liberals can’t make a point without the token STFU follwed by a name they just read on a blog somewhere. If that deficit number was going to decimate the economy, then the stock market would do nothing but implode. It ain’t doing that. It did when the tech bubble imploded under your Boy Wonder, it’s not doing it now with Bush, despite an overheated housing market.
July 13th, 2007 at 12:36 pmOh - I ‘m sorry - let’s not forget Clinton’s air attack on the eve of his impeachment. Anything to wag the dog.
Comment by God Help Us
And if Clinton was busy fighting bogus charges and explaining blo*wjobs he would have finished the job. Wag the dog, indeed. Clinton was fighting the right enemies and you people were too worried about politics to let him finish the job. Then when he warned Bush, Geogie was too busy to pay attention. God won’t help you hypocrite, chicken hawk, war mongers. Burn baby.
July 13th, 2007 at 12:38 pmComment by robious
Well, I’m off to work, so I’ll make your day: STFU
July 13th, 2007 at 12:38 pmThe Trolls here are going to be on deck of SS BushCo helping Dubya rearrange the deck chairs while being told the hole in the hull and the water flooding in is “making progress”. While the Shit-monkey band plays on!
Oh, and guess what….. PudgeBoy Rover,Darth, RUDEE and Fred Flintstone Thompson are already in the lifeboats, moving away as fast as they can.
Hope your life vests weren’t supplied by Halliburton!!
July 13th, 2007 at 12:39 pmExactly why we need to crack down, and start keeping tabs on suspicious activity, EVERYWHERE!!!
Comment by Mr. President
Mr. President = Fascist
July 13th, 2007 at 12:41 pmHope your life vests weren’t supplied by Halliburton!!
upside00
So how is that Halliburton investigation coming along, anyway. Woulda thought that company, along with Diebold, would’ve been in bankruptcy proceeding with their CEO’s frogmarched out of their posh offices. 300 Congressional investigations and counting- nothing on these two companies who ’stole’ two elections. Damn, you’d think a liberal would be twice as pissed at Nancy PLOsi and company than at W. Naw, that’s no fun, and you’d sound like a loon, but I repeat myself.
July 13th, 2007 at 12:53 pmWhen are Murtha and sell-out Pelosi going to start calling for the impeachment of Bush? Anything besides the impeachment of Bush and his minions is just hot air.
July 13th, 2007 at 1:03 pm#92 - Bush is President. Suck it up, loser.
Let’s move on to more relevant items like those running for President. Edwards (breck girl and shameless pig), Hillary (Hitler in a dress), and B. Hussein Obama NEVER SERVED!!!!!
So Ms. Hateful, if you are just interested in attacking the President than really making a political point. You are a hypocrite.
AND trust me, Hillary’s lack of military service and her corruption will make wonderful talking points come next September. We will blundgeon her with YOUR hate.
July 13th, 2007 at 1:06 pm#105 - why are you a traitor?
July 13th, 2007 at 1:07 pm“Hillary’s lack of military service and her corruption will make wonderful talking points come next September.”
Bring it on, sludgebrain.
July 13th, 2007 at 1:10 pmIf that deficit number was going to decimate the economy, then the stock market would do nothing but implode. It ain’t doing that. It did when the tech bubble imploded under your Boy Wonder, it’s not doing it now with Bush, despite an overheated housing market.
Comment by robious
So you don’t mind that your children, and your children’s children, and your…
Oh wait, you’re never going to reproduce, because no self-respecting member of the opposite sex would let you near them.
There’s also a huge difference between the tech bubble bursting and the Federal deficit, dum-dum. Bush has indeed run up a larger deficit than ALL US Presidents before him COMBINED. Hell of a legacy to leave the country.
July 13th, 2007 at 1:13 pm#105 - why are you a traitor?
Comment by God Help Us
Of course, one could also ask, why are you so F-ing stupid?
July 13th, 2007 at 1:14 pmMurtha is promoting the good for our troops and the kool aid drinkers attack him, how original - “must trash, must smear”.
I like Pelosi a lot, she knows what she is doing. Ya think impeachment is off the table, think again…..
July 13th, 2007 at 1:16 pmI’m curious as to why GHU is pushing the no military service as a bad thing against the dems but ignores the shameful service of GW and the non existent service of Cheney.
GHU’s argument falls flat.
July 13th, 2007 at 1:17 pmSix months before Bush invaded Iraq, Al Gore said that a pre-emptive war on Iraq would increase the number of terrorists, undercut US influence in the region, and diminish US legitimacy in the world affairs.
Al Gore was 100% right.
George Bush was 100% wrong.
Rightwingers don’t have what it takes to win a war: regular contact with reality. They live in Fantasyland.
Comment by Arthur C. — July 13, 2007 @ 11:41 am
Yes, and Hitler said that if the USA went to war against Nazi Germany American cities would be fair game and hundreds of thousand of American soldier would die. He said the same thing about the British Isle, France, etc.
Geez I guess Hitler was right and we should have never fought WWII, right?
idiots, pathetic Libtard idiots.
July 13th, 2007 at 1:17 pmI like Pelosi a lot, she knows what she is doing. Ya think impeachment is off the table, think again…..
Comment by Aimee — July 13, 2007 @ 1:16 pm
Are you calling Pelosi a liar?
July 13th, 2007 at 1:18 pmGHU’s argument falls flat.
Comment by hellinabucket
Of course it does, hell…, ’cause GHU has NO real argument.
July 13th, 2007 at 1:19 pm#108 - it’s already been broughten.
The left is in for a shock like they have never seen if they nominate Hitlery. Conservatives have sat back and listened to your bile and hatred for seven years and we can’t wait to even the score. Clinton will be swiftboated with her own words, her voting record and her blatant corruption. See Kerry and Gore for what will happen in 2008.
July 13th, 2007 at 1:19 pmOnce again, If the Dems definition of supporting our troops is to immediatly get them out of Iraq, why won’t they defund the war?
why are they playing politics and passing meaningless bills in the House.
Why won’t the Dems defund this war if they truly and honestly believe that the way to support our troops is to end the war in Iraq?
any takers?
Murtha can talk out of his behind all day long, but why won’t he defund the Iraq War, why won’t Pelosi?
Anyone can talk out of their behind like Murtha, but who in the Democratic party is willing to do what they have told all of America is right and end this war by defunding it?
Not to mention that Murtha has never once called for a Congressional investigation or for a trial on terrorist killing and torturing American soldiers, but he did call these when an Iraqi terrorists reported to a news agency that Marines had murdered Iraqis in Haditha.
So, Murtha believes the words of terrorists over the word of the Marines.
Only Libtards would listen to this pathetic man.
July 13th, 2007 at 1:23 pmTRoS: I’d agree with you about him not reproducing, except that there are plenty of non-self-respecting women he can knock up, all while clucking over, say, my wife and I checking out a cute girl together. While we’re still using birth control, his illegitimate son and daughter will be busy knocking up and being knocked up by other ‘family values’ conservatives…that is when they’re not watching NASCAR, getting fat on beer, and crowing about those damn [insert the name of whatever race is targetted for the GOP’s hatred in 2030].
July 13th, 2007 at 1:28 pmAs much as I hate this, I have to agree with GHU. PLEASE do NOT nominate Hillary as Democratic Presidential candidate in 2008. We moderates will once again be between two bad choices for President. She’s like Gore was in 2000 — not a desirable candidate. Granted, Bush now is a lot more of a hot potato in 2008 than he was in 2000, but I’d rather vote for someone in 2008, not against the Party of Bush.
July 13th, 2007 at 1:31 pmComment by The Republic of Stupidity — July 13, 2007 @ 1:13 pm
Thanks, I couldn’t have said it better. These masters of fiscal responsibility seem to eternally ignore the defecit whenever they try to discuss the economy. I don’t know where they think the money to pay it. Oh yeah, they just figure the next Democrat in office will fix their f@ck-ups as usual!
July 13th, 2007 at 1:31 pmAs far as the left, Bush can do nothing right. I wish he would stop trying.
Comment by God Help Us — July 13, 2007 @ 11:18 am
Actually, if he did that, he would be doing something right.
July 13th, 2007 at 1:33 pmYou mean Bush has been trying to do something right all along? Talk about missguided.
sheeesh.
I want the strongest candidates to be nominated. Not the ones with the most cash or prettiest faces. I want to see candidates instead of puppets.
GHU, that’s what conservatives do best. pout and slander.
July 13th, 2007 at 1:36 pmPeople are dieing, what part of ‘People are dieing’ do they NOT understand?
July 13th, 2007 at 1:41 pmHow is this going on and on and on?
It’s friggin INSANE!
“Conservatives have sat back and listened to your bile and hatred for seven years”
Sat back? You were in control of all three branches of govt?
July 13th, 2007 at 1:44 pmAre you effing stupid or just a loudmouthed ignoramus?
There was no sitting back for seven years. The republicans didn’t sit down. Didn’t sit in commitee. Didn’t investigate. Didn’t conduct any oversite. Gave away their constitutional duties to GW.
Conservatives were salavating at the potential for Roves 100 year republican majority.
GHU falling flatter and flatter.
July 13th, 2007 at 1:47 pmIt isn’t that they don’t understand. It is that they just don’t care. It they did they would be cutting funding for veteran benefits, housing, Social Security, and their health care. If they did, they wouldn’t be discharging so many people who have served their country honorably with a “Personality Disorder” discharge which excludes them from their health care and disability benefits. They wouldn’t use them and throw them away like garbage.
July 13th, 2007 at 1:49 pmComments by God Help Us
God is helping us, thank you. She/He told shrub to run for president and now. thanks in part to the awesome ineptitude of bush and his insidious cabal, the truth that shall set us free at last is coming to light.
Hallelujah! Amen…
July 13th, 2007 at 1:54 pmmurtha looks like he needs a nap
July 13th, 2007 at 1:57 pmhttp://www.slate.com/id/2170145/
July 13th, 2007 at 1:57 pmHey Americans (trolls),
I think I finally understand the logic at work here!
You see, for the Leftists, the negation implies the affirmation. So, for example, if one man (A) kills another man (B), this implies that, in fact, A gives birth to B!
Accordingly, if the US is killing Muslim terrorists, for a Lefty, this implies that the US is creating more Islamic terrorists!!!
Get it?
It all makes perfect sense when you live in Lefty Cloudcuckooland!
July 13th, 2007 at 2:05 pmComment by Mr. President — July 13, 2007 @ 2:05 pm
If someone killed my brother, they’d have my whole family to deal with.
July 13th, 2007 at 2:09 pmExactly why we need to crack down, and start keeping tabs on suspicious activity, EVERYWHERE!!!
Comment by Mr. President
Good idea, mr pee/flack-o/ct-00. The next level from snitching on namejackers will be to form bedwetter brigades. To a paranoid, EVERYTHING is suspicious. They are the best agents. Your mission is to snitch on EVERYBODY! Get on it and send your reports directly to me!
July 13th, 2007 at 2:09 pmJack Murtha is a flipping idiot!
July 13th, 2007 at 2:36 pmThe media must have forgotten that Murtha might possibly be the single most corrupt congress member in DC. He’s delusional if he thinks he has any standing to make judgements on Bush. He’s a joke.
July 13th, 2007 at 3:15 pmMurtha is a traitor to his own, The Marines!!
July 13th, 2007 at 3:32 pmMurtha is more dangerous than OBL. Murtha: “So why would I believe there’s going to be chaos just because they say it?” How about history you fool? History does repeat itself, doesn’t it? How about Vietnam, where you supposedly served? Do you remember that little guy, Pol Pot? The one who killed millions of South Vietnamese after we were forced to lose that war also! When are we ever going to win another war with the likes of him and you fools who believe him?
July 13th, 2007 at 4:02 pmbocat_grad is a bitter old man.
there fixed it for you.
Comment by Conservatron — July 13, 2007 @ 11:30 am
Conservatard is a bitter, illiterate old man and paid troll.
July 13th, 2007 at 4:47 pmThere, I fixed it for all of us.
134. Do you remember that little guy, Pol Pot? The one who killed millions of South Vietnamese after we were forced to lose that war also! When are we ever going to win another war with the likes of him and you fools who believe him
July 13th, 2007 at 5:02 pm* * *
1. Pol Pot was Cambodian.
2. It was a Republican Surrender Monkey who “forced [us] to lose that war.”
3. The next war we win will be the election of 2008.
4. It’s July. Shouldn’t you be in summer school re-taking U.S. History?
P.S. Semper fi, Johnny Swank.
July 13th, 2007 at 5:03 pmNo bogtrotters, it was weaklings like you, and the hippies, that taught America how to lose wars. No stomach for it will win! Cambodia, my mistake. You should get my point though. Democrats will not win back ‘08. Hillary? Edwards? Please tell me you are not that dellusional? I remeber when all of you were saying the same thing about Kerry. “How can he lose to this dip shit?” Well, he did now didn’t he? To a dip shit.
July 13th, 2007 at 5:21 pmI remeber(SIC) when all of you were saying the same thing about Kerry. “How can he lose to this dip shit?†Well, he did now didn’t he? To a dip shit.
Comment by Johnny Swank — July 13, 2007 @ 5:21 pm
Thank you for admitting that Bush is a dipshit, Johnny.
July 13th, 2007 at 5:50 pmSo bogtrotters refreshed your memory on Pol Pot’s nationality, I see. However, it still hasn’t sunk into your fat head that from January 1969 until the US pulled out of Vietnam in 1975, the Republicans were in the WH. Not enough time to win a war, eh? Yeah, I can see why you think all these years in Iraq aren’t enough.
Thank you Mr. Murtha, at least you have courage.
Dear Speaker Pelosi,
I encourage Congress to file simultaneous impeachment proceedings against Mr. George W. Bush, Dick Cheney, and Alberto Gonzales immediately. At the same time indict Harriet Meiers for her failure to appear at hearings. She is not above the legal mandates issued by congress.
It is clear that the President, et al, are not behaving rationally concerning the wars in the middle east, Iraq and Afghanistan. There is more than enough evidence to bring a case for impeachment against each of them. By bringing simultaneous impeachment charges it will call attention to the extent of the corruption and the illegal practices of this White House administration.
The majority of Americans comprehend what Congress seems to fail to understand. That this sitting president behaves like a spoiled child.
Why do you, a Mother, and leader, choose to indulge this dangerous child, who wears the mantle of president of the United States. This same spoiled child that alone has the power to press a nuclear button that can effectively create holocaust throughout the world. I do not understand your failure to immediately press for removal of such a person as Mr. Bush. Please start impeachment proceedings. You were elected to do what was necessary to change the direction of this nation. There is no other recourse at this point.
Avoiding the impeachment process implies that the democrats in congress are as interested as the republicans in keeping the war money flowing into their districts. No matter how many die for the political contributions and profits garnered by the war. Simple logic indicates that the reason democrats have not moved for impeachments is because they, too have given sway to the lobbiests and war profiteering corporations, thinking it will suit their own best, personal interests.
There is no sane reason to allow this president and his entourage to continue the destruction of America, as well as of other nations it deems unfit to govern their own affairs.
We need to get out of Iraq and Afghanistan. We need to discontinue threats agains Iran. And, we need to mind our own business. (caveat: provide food, medicines, and education to those in need).
July 14th, 2007 at 4:00 pmThis nation owes Murtha a great deal of gratitude for bringing the issue of troop withdrawal to the forefront. We also owe him a great deal of thanks for military his service to this country like Kerry. We are getting the truth from Murtha about the reality on the ground in Iraq as opposed to Bush and Snow who only give us talking points but never the reality. Too many Americans have died for Bush’s mistake.
We were lied into this war. Bush took advantage of our nation’s solidarity after 9-11 to meet a political agenda that had nothing to do with 9-11, or bin Laden. Our presence in Iraq has made us less safe. The latest NIE report indicates that al Qaeda which is in Afghanistan and not in Iraq is back to its original strength since before 9-11. This indicates that Bush’s policy in Iraq has made us less safe. That is unacceptable.
Al Qaeda in Iraq has no specific connection to bin Laden. There is no proof that the two are connected in terms of organizational structure or sharing of resources. Murtha is right the moment our troops leave Iraq the Shiias and Sunnis will want al Qaeda in Iraq out as well because there are so few of them. Bush is in no position to make any predictions about this war. He’s been wrong about all of them since day 1. As Kerry said in 1971, “How can you ask a man to be the last man to die for a mistake?” This war is Bush’s mistake and no one should have to die for it.
July 14th, 2007 at 10:46 pmIt’s not often that one can say “I’m proud of my Congressman.”
So here we go:
I’m proud of my Congressman. Give ‘em hell, Jack!
July 15th, 2007 at 9:52 amMurtha’s a dirtbag traitor.
July 15th, 2007 at 10:53 pm