Comments on: ABC Hit Piece On Reid Embraced By Right Wing http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/13/tapper-reid/ Thu, 26 Nov 2009 21:36:50 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: Lora http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/13/tapper-reid/comment-page-4/#comment-3938131 Lora Mon, 16 Jul 2007 03:57:59 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/07/13/tapper-reid/#comment-3938131 Comment by Jason M. Hendler — July 15, 2007 @ 9:01 pm Back to slandering Harry Reid with insinuations about his parentage again, eh, Jason "I went to Stanford, an Ivy League university" Hendler? Good luck in proving that Stanford is an Ivy League university, mama's boy. Otherwise, your post isn't even worthy of a reply. Comment by Jason M. Hendler — July 15, 2007 @ 9:01 pm

Back to slandering Harry Reid with insinuations about his parentage again, eh, Jason “I went to Stanford, an Ivy League university” Hendler? Good luck in proving that Stanford is an Ivy League university, mama’s boy. Otherwise, your post isn’t even worthy of a reply.

]]> By: Jason M. Hendler http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/13/tapper-reid/comment-page-4/#comment-3937788 Jason M. Hendler Mon, 16 Jul 2007 01:01:23 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/07/13/tapper-reid/#comment-3937788 OK class, I want you to think about why the MSM would suddenly turn on Harry "Who's My Daddy" Reid. Ask yourself the general question - on what path is/was the Democratic party that would motivate the MSM to disrupt that progress. Who was most helped by that progress, and who will be most hurt when the progress stops. Who was being hurt by the progress, and who will be most helped when the progress stops. We all know the MSM wouldn't help the Republicans, so which non-Republican would the MSM want to help? Good luck, children. OK class, I want you to think about why the MSM would suddenly turn on Harry “Who’s My Daddy” Reid. Ask yourself the general question – on what path is/was the Democratic party that would motivate the MSM to disrupt that progress. Who was most helped by that progress, and who will be most hurt when the progress stops. Who was being hurt by the progress, and who will be most helped when the progress stops. We all know the MSM wouldn’t help the Republicans, so which non-Republican would the MSM want to help?

Good luck, children.

]]> By: Probus http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/13/tapper-reid/comment-page-4/#comment-3936763 Probus Sun, 15 Jul 2007 04:12:48 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/07/13/tapper-reid/#comment-3936763 Conservatives have no business talking about moral obligations considering Bush's policies have brought us to where we are with this civil war. His justifications on the now failed surge were based on his failed policy in Iraq. Our presence has made Iraq less secure. Our presence has plunged Iraq into a civil war between the Shiias and Sunnis. Most Iraqis don't want us there. Withdrawing troops will make Iraqis more safe. Our presence in Iraq is used as a recruiting tool by insurgents who want us out of Iraq. How long will our troops fight the Iraqis' battles for them? When will they take charge of their own nation? We can't have an indefinite presence in Iraq. Removing troops is now our only option in Iraq. We can't win this civil war. Leaving will reduce the bloodshed. Conservatives have no business talking about moral obligations considering Bush’s policies have brought us to where we are with this civil war. His justifications on the now failed surge were based on his failed policy in Iraq. Our presence has made Iraq less secure. Our presence has plunged Iraq into a civil war between the Shiias and Sunnis. Most Iraqis don’t want us there. Withdrawing troops will make Iraqis more safe. Our presence in Iraq is used as a recruiting tool by insurgents who want us out of Iraq. How long will our troops fight the Iraqis’ battles for them? When will they take charge of their own nation? We can’t have an indefinite presence in Iraq. Removing troops is now our only option in Iraq. We can’t win this civil war. Leaving will reduce the bloodshed.

]]> By: Bushwipe http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/13/tapper-reid/comment-page-4/#comment-3936371 Bushwipe Sat, 14 Jul 2007 22:33:23 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/07/13/tapper-reid/#comment-3936371 This is ABC. Does anyone expect them to have news that doesn't serve at the pleasure of the GOP? They put on a 2-day propaganda piece called 'Path to 9/11' that would have made Hitler blush. When it comes to news coverage, ABC is second only to FOX in fair and balanced coverage. This is ABC. Does anyone expect them to have news that doesn’t serve at the pleasure of the GOP? They put on a 2-day propaganda piece called ‘Path to 9/11′ that would have made Hitler blush. When it comes to news coverage, ABC is second only to FOX in fair and balanced coverage.

]]> By: eddiejoe http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/13/tapper-reid/comment-page-4/#comment-3936221 eddiejoe Sat, 14 Jul 2007 19:01:17 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/07/13/tapper-reid/#comment-3936221 This is the same Jake Tapper that called one of our presidential candidates "Barrack Hussein Obama" over and over again. He, like Lieberman, is a Jew that is worried about Israel when the US finally ends this immoral occupation. Don't be surprised if Tapper starts ranting for war with Iran. This is the same Jake Tapper that called one of our presidential candidates “Barrack Hussein Obama” over and over again. He, like Lieberman, is a Jew that is worried about Israel when the US finally ends this immoral occupation. Don’t be surprised if Tapper starts ranting for war with Iran.

]]> By: michael http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/13/tapper-reid/comment-page-4/#comment-3936186 michael Sat, 14 Jul 2007 18:45:24 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/07/13/tapper-reid/#comment-3936186 Ok liberals. Answer a simple question. If we pull our troops out of Iraq will the country, and its oil fields, be taken over by radical muslims? Ok liberals. Answer a simple question. If we pull our troops out of Iraq will the country, and its oil fields, be taken over by radical muslims?

]]> By: marlow http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/13/tapper-reid/comment-page-4/#comment-3936126 marlow Sat, 14 Jul 2007 18:19:01 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/07/13/tapper-reid/#comment-3936126 Dems on Iraqi security: let's not destroy it by ruining their country which threatens no one and serves as a bulwark to contain Iranian Shiite radicalism. Dems on Iraqi security: let’s not destroy it by ruining their country which threatens no one and serves as a bulwark to contain Iranian Shiite radicalism.

]]> By: joe cantwell http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/13/tapper-reid/comment-page-4/#comment-3935688 joe cantwell Sat, 14 Jul 2007 14:38:31 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/07/13/tapper-reid/#comment-3935688 for the trolls: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19760628/ for the trolls:

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]]> By: upright left http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/13/tapper-reid/comment-page-4/#comment-3935679 upright left Sat, 14 Jul 2007 14:29:50 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/07/13/tapper-reid/#comment-3935679 Yes, but your bit of history ends in 1964. It was Nixon’s Southern strategy in 1968 that brought the Dixiecrats, who for the most part voted against the Civil Rights Act, into the Republican Party, where they have remained ever since. Comment by Lora — July 14, 2007 @ 3:19 am My post was in response to this incorrect statement: "Don’t ever forget that conservatives have been against every freedom granted since the founding of the nation, except those for rich white males....Until we wipe out the repubican party, we can never truly be free." Comment by ronjazz — July 13, 2007 @ 5:15 pm Now, whether the era of Democratic entitlement programs helped minorities or kept them in a cycle of poverty is another issue. They certainly seem to be doing much better now that the programs have been limited. ;) Yes, but your bit of history ends in 1964. It was Nixon’s Southern strategy in 1968 that brought the Dixiecrats, who for the most part voted against the Civil Rights Act, into the Republican Party, where they have remained ever since.

Comment by Lora — July 14, 2007 @ 3:19 am

My post was in response to this incorrect statement:

“Don’t ever forget that conservatives have been against every freedom granted since the founding of the nation, except those for rich white males….Until we wipe out the repubican party, we can never truly be free.”

Comment by ronjazz — July 13, 2007 @ 5:15 pm

Now, whether the era of Democratic entitlement programs helped minorities or kept them in a cycle of poverty is another issue. They certainly seem to be doing much better now that the programs have been limited. ;)

]]> By: Kilo http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/13/tapper-reid/comment-page-4/#comment-3935665 Kilo Sat, 14 Jul 2007 14:15:46 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/07/13/tapper-reid/#comment-3935665 <strong>He alleged that Reid “refused to discuss whether the United States had a moral obligation to secure the country for Iraqis </strong> Which as you go on to explain isn't a fair allegation.... <strong>In fact, as the ABC segment showed, Reid did answer the question, telling Tapper: “It is clear that the Iraqi people don’t want us there. It is clear that there is now a state of chaos in Iraq, and it is up to the Iraqi people to make themselves safe.”</strong> So that answer would be a solid "NO" then. <strong>Nevertheless, the Washington Times picked up on the exchange today and reinforced Tapper’s attacks in an editorial titled “They Still Have No Plan“:</strong> What do you mean "nevertheless" ? He just said there is no plan. That's an accurate assessment. Or is it just as wrong to suggest Rumsfeld went into Iraq with no post-invasion plan, because he also stated that not having one was the plan ? Do you think anyone has noticed that amongst your 7482 articles promoting withdrawal from Iraq regardless of the consequences, that nowhere do you seek alternate security arrangements, nor once dare mention what this may result in for anyone not wearing a US uniform ? And now what ? You're pissy because someone's called you on this ? Well aren't you gonna be disappointed with the next 30 years. He alleged that Reid “refused to discuss whether the United States had a moral obligation to secure the country for Iraqis

Which as you go on to explain isn’t a fair allegation….

In fact, as the ABC segment showed, Reid did answer the question, telling Tapper: “It is clear that the Iraqi people don’t want us there. It is clear that there is now a state of chaos in Iraq, and it is up to the Iraqi people to make themselves safe.”

So that answer would be a solid “NO” then.

Nevertheless, the Washington Times picked up on the exchange today and reinforced Tapper’s attacks in an editorial titled “They Still Have No Plan“:

What do you mean “nevertheless” ? He just said there is no plan. That’s an accurate assessment.

Or is it just as wrong to suggest Rumsfeld went into Iraq with no post-invasion plan, because he also stated that not having one was the plan ?

Do you think anyone has noticed that amongst your 7482 articles promoting withdrawal from Iraq regardless of the consequences, that nowhere do you seek alternate security arrangements, nor once dare mention what this may result in for anyone not wearing a US uniform ?

And now what ? You’re pissy because someone’s called you on this ? Well aren’t you gonna be disappointed with the next 30 years.

]]> By: trippin http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/13/tapper-reid/comment-page-4/#comment-3935618 trippin Sat, 14 Jul 2007 13:34:56 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/07/13/tapper-reid/#comment-3935618 "We cannot let people slaughter each other." No, we must do that for them. By the hundreds of thousands -- rivalling Saddam Hussein himself. A heckuva job. But we're doing that in Jesus' name so that makes everything OK. Funny how multiple times the number of people who died on 9/11 die every year form lack of health care, but George Bush isn't waging an armed struggle against the health insurance industry. GET US OUT OF IRAQ NOW -- THE MILITARY MISSION IS ACCOMPLISHED. “We cannot let people slaughter each other.” No, we must do that for them. By the hundreds of thousands — rivalling Saddam Hussein himself. A heckuva job.

But we’re doing that in Jesus’ name so that makes everything OK.

Funny how multiple times the number of people who died on 9/11 die every year form lack of health care, but George Bush isn’t waging an armed struggle against the health insurance industry.

GET US OUT OF IRAQ NOW — THE MILITARY MISSION IS ACCOMPLISHED.

]]> By: Bob Hanssen http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/13/tapper-reid/comment-page-4/#comment-3935607 Bob Hanssen Sat, 14 Jul 2007 12:43:30 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/07/13/tapper-reid/#comment-3935607 ABC has figured out that to win the network ratings war you have to be the new Fox. Whether or not they believe in their coverage is another matter. In the end, it's all about profits. ABC has figured out that to win the network ratings war you have to be the new Fox. Whether or not they believe in their coverage is another matter. In the end, it’s all about profits.

]]> By: Bruno http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/13/tapper-reid/comment-page-4/#comment-3935597 Bruno Sat, 14 Jul 2007 10:42:17 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/07/13/tapper-reid/#comment-3935597 Lora you are corrrect, and this is why Strom Thurmond switched from Democrat to Republican. Strom wasn't exactly a civil rights oriented thinker. Having been a Democrat all his life, he suddenly then switches to the Republican party to join ranks with the likes of Senator Trent Lott, who according to his own statements believes we'd be better off a segregated Nation. The GOP is now the party of deceipt, greed, bigotry, and war profiteering. Lora you are corrrect, and this is why Strom Thurmond switched from Democrat to Republican. Strom wasn’t exactly a civil rights oriented thinker. Having been a Democrat all his life, he suddenly then switches to the Republican party to join ranks with the likes of Senator Trent Lott, who according to his own statements believes we’d be better off a segregated Nation. The GOP is now the party of deceipt, greed, bigotry, and war profiteering.

]]> By: Lora http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/13/tapper-reid/comment-page-4/#comment-3935578 Lora Sat, 14 Jul 2007 07:19:00 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/07/13/tapper-reid/#comment-3935578 The Republican Party was founded to oppose slavery, which was favored by Dems. Dems instituted Jim Crow laws, Republicans voted for the Civil Rights Act of 1964 by a greater percentage than Dems. ;) Comment by upright left — July 14, 2007 @ 2:42 am Yes, but your bit of history ends in 1964. It was Nixon's Southern strategy in 1968 that brought the Dixiecrats, who for the most part voted against the Civil Rights Act, into the Republican Party, where they have remained ever since. The Republican Party was founded to oppose slavery, which was favored by Dems. Dems instituted Jim Crow laws, Republicans voted for the Civil Rights Act of 1964 by a greater percentage than Dems. ;)
Comment by upright left — July 14, 2007 @ 2:42 am

Yes, but your bit of history ends in 1964. It was Nixon’s Southern strategy in 1968 that brought the Dixiecrats, who for the most part voted against the Civil Rights Act, into the Republican Party, where they have remained ever since.

]]> By: upright left http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/13/tapper-reid/comment-page-4/#comment-3935568 upright left Sat, 14 Jul 2007 06:42:00 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/07/13/tapper-reid/#comment-3935568 Don’t ever forget that conservatives have been against every freedom granted since the founding of the nation, except those for rich white males. Against Civil Rights, against Suffrage, against freedom of choice, against education for all, against health care for all. America can never achieve the ideals it was founded on as long as conservatives have any power. conservatives are stupid, mean fools whose own weaknesses make them sick with hate of those who are smarter and more accomplished. Until we wipe out the repubican party, we can never truly be free. Comment by ronjazz — July 13, 2007 @ 5:15 pm The Republican Party was founded to oppose slavery, which was favored by Dems. Dems instituted Jim Crow laws, Republicans voted for the Civil Rights Act of 1964 by a greater percentage than Dems. ;) Don’t ever forget that conservatives have been against every freedom granted since the founding of the nation, except those for rich white males. Against Civil Rights, against Suffrage, against freedom of choice, against education for all, against health care for all. America can never achieve the ideals it was founded on as long as conservatives have any power. conservatives are stupid, mean fools whose own weaknesses make them sick with hate of those who are smarter and more accomplished. Until we wipe out the repubican party, we can never truly be free.

Comment by ronjazz — July 13, 2007 @ 5:15 pm

The Republican Party was founded to oppose slavery, which was favored by Dems. Dems instituted Jim Crow laws, Republicans voted for the Civil Rights Act of 1964 by a greater percentage than Dems. ;)

]]> By: Martin Gifford http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/13/tapper-reid/comment-page-4/#comment-3935535 Martin Gifford Sat, 14 Jul 2007 06:08:58 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/07/13/tapper-reid/#comment-3935535 <i>"it’s just so silly to blame democrats for this problem."</i> When did asking an important life or death question become "blame"? The Iraq situation is complex and it requires a complex solution. The Democrats seem to be thinking in the same simplistic terms that got us into this war - "attack vs do nothing" has become "stay vs go". Instead of "Should we stay or should we go?" the question should be, "What is our best multifaceted strategy for helping Iraq, since Iraq is in an emergency and has not strong central government to organise law and order." It would be appalling to see us going in on simplistic reasoning and causing mayhem, then leaving on simplistic reasoning and letting the mayhem continue. Regarding the argument about intelligence organisations saying that things would be better in Iraq without us in there, is that the same intelligence that got us into Iraq? We need to think of thorough solutions. We need to use our brains. Currently, the Democrat politicians seem to be poll driven rather than management driven. “it’s just so silly to blame democrats for this problem.”

When did asking an important life or death question become “blame”?

The Iraq situation is complex and it requires a complex solution. The Democrats seem to be thinking in the same simplistic terms that got us into this war – “attack vs do nothing” has become “stay vs go”.

Instead of “Should we stay or should we go?” the question should be, “What is our best multifaceted strategy for helping Iraq, since Iraq is in an emergency and has not strong central government to organise law and order.”

It would be appalling to see us going in on simplistic reasoning and causing mayhem, then leaving on simplistic reasoning and letting the mayhem continue.

Regarding the argument about intelligence organisations saying that things would be better in Iraq without us in there, is that the same intelligence that got us into Iraq?

We need to think of thorough solutions. We need to use our brains. Currently, the Democrat politicians seem to be poll driven rather than management driven.

]]> By: willyloman http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/13/tapper-reid/comment-page-4/#comment-3935503 willyloman Sat, 14 Jul 2007 05:49:06 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/07/13/tapper-reid/#comment-3935503 A tell all guide to troll-spoting http://www.benfrank.net/disinfo/#top pass it on. A tell all guide to troll-spoting

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]]> By: The Republic of Stupidity http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/13/tapper-reid/comment-page-4/#comment-3935450 The Republic of Stupidity Sat, 14 Jul 2007 05:12:08 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/07/13/tapper-reid/#comment-3935450 I really enjoyed your conversation with wayne regarding the martial arts. My brief foray consisted of a year of Judo at which I did not excel. A weak brown belt was all I accomplished. That was in the late 50s back in NYC. I did learn how to fall well and that, even today, has been a saving grace. I have no fear of falling. Comment by Merlin Huh... damn... it never occured to me that people were just reading that w/ out announcing their presence in some way. I forget what the Internet is really like. Wayne sounds like a tough son of a gun. After a while you can just tell when the other party ain't BSing. Hope to talk w/ him again some time. Oh, BTW, how yu doing tonight? Strange day here at TP... I really enjoyed your conversation with wayne regarding the martial arts. My brief foray consisted of a year of Judo at which I did not excel. A weak brown belt was all I accomplished. That was in the late 50s back in NYC. I did learn how to fall well and that, even today, has been a saving grace. I have no fear of falling.

Comment by Merlin

Huh… damn… it never occured to me that people were just reading that w/ out announcing their presence in some way. I forget what the Internet is really like. Wayne sounds like a tough son of a gun. After a while you can just tell when the other party ain’t BSing. Hope to talk w/
him again some time. Oh, BTW, how yu doing tonight? Strange day here at TP…

]]> By: Merlin http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/13/tapper-reid/comment-page-4/#comment-3935431 Merlin Sat, 14 Jul 2007 05:03:59 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/07/13/tapper-reid/#comment-3935431 # 164 Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — July 14, 2007 @ 12:17 am <em>Thanks for the clarification. Things have been kinda weird here today, if ya know what I mean.</em> Yeah, some days are like that. I really enjoyed your conversation with wayne regarding the martial arts. My brief foray consisted of a year of Judo at which I did not excel. A weak brown belt was all I accomplished. That was in the late 50s back in NYC. I did learn how to fall well and that, even today, has been a saving grace. I have no fear of falling. # 164 Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — July 14, 2007 @ 12:17 am

Thanks for the clarification. Things have been kinda weird here today, if ya know what I mean.

Yeah, some days are like that. I really enjoyed your conversation with wayne regarding the martial arts. My brief foray consisted of a year of Judo at which I did not excel. A weak brown belt was all I accomplished. That was in the late 50s back in NYC. I did learn how to fall well and that, even today, has been a saving grace. I have no fear of falling.

]]> By: Tracy http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/13/tapper-reid/comment-page-4/#comment-3935400 Tracy Sat, 14 Jul 2007 04:45:47 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/07/13/tapper-reid/#comment-3935400 "Numerous military and diplomatic analysts argue that withdrawing U.S. forces from Iraq would in fact “prevent Iraq’s multiple sectarian conflicts from spreading beyond its borders and gives Iraq and its neighbors the right incentive to help resolve Iraq’s internal conflicts." Oh yes Iran will immediately stop interfering with Iraqi politics as soon as the U.S. retreats. Iraq will turn into another Lebeanon if the U.S. pulls out completely. “Numerous military and diplomatic analysts argue that withdrawing U.S. forces from Iraq would in fact “prevent Iraq’s multiple sectarian conflicts from spreading beyond its borders and gives Iraq and its neighbors the right incentive to help resolve Iraq’s internal conflicts.”

Oh yes Iran will immediately stop interfering with Iraqi politics as soon as the U.S. retreats. Iraq will turn into another Lebeanon if the U.S. pulls out completely.

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