ThinkFast: July 13, 2007
Telephone records released by “D.C. madam” Deborah Jeane Palfrey indicate she placed calls that were answered by Sen. David Vitter’s Washington phone on five occasions while Vitter was in the House, from 1999 through 2001. “On four of those five days, the House was in session and Vitter participated in every roll call vote.”
At a Senate confirmation hearing yesterday, President Bush’s surgeon general nominee, James Holsinger, was forced to defend views he expressed in a 1991 paper suggesting that homosexuality is abnormal. He argued the paper has been taken out of context and “does not represent where I am today…who I am today,” Holsinger said. “But he did not spell out his current views, and the controversy has lingered.”
“In an unusual expression of frustration, the judge who sentenced former White House aide I. Lewis ‘Scooter’ Libby to 30 months in jail, only to see the sentence commuted by President Bush, said he was ‘perplexed’ by the act of clemency.”
“Since 2001, more than 22,000 servicemen and women from all branches of the military have been separated under the personality disorder discharge.” ABC News explains, “This diagnosis means the personality disorder existed before military service, and therefore medical care and disability payments are not the military’s responsibility.”
The New York Times challenges Bush’s fear-mongering over al Qaeda in Iraq. “The militant group is in many respects an Iraqi phenomenon. They believe the membership of the group is overwhelmingly Iraqi. Its financing is derived largely indigenously from kidnappings and other criminal activities.”
“More U.S. children breathe air and drink water that is polluted, more are living in crowded, costly housing that strains the family budget and more babies are being born at low birth weights that threaten their survival and set them up for problems down the road.”
“The popularity of the morning-after pill Plan B has surged in the year since the federal government approved the sale of the controversial emergency contraceptive without a prescription. … The sharp rise was hailed by women’s health and family-planning advocates, who say it illustrates the value of easing access to birth control to help prevent unwanted pregnancies.”
Sen. Mitch McConnell (R-KY) is standing idle while Sen. Jim DeMint (R-SC) keeps an unanimously approved ethics bill in limbo. “Mitch McConnell is making a big mistake sitting on his hands,” said Craig Holman, legislative representative for Public Citizen. “Now he’s letting his own rank-and-file undermine his image of authority.”
And finally: Airport screeners took away Rep. Tom Price’s (R-GA) mustache. TSA would now allow the congressman to take his “mustache trimmer on a plane, forcing him to use an electric version. But he wasn’t used to that gadget, and he quickly found himself in the vicious cycle of trimming each end of the ’stache in an effort to even it out. Before he knew it, there was not enough left to salvage. ‘It was TSA,’ Price repeated. ‘That’s my story and I’m sticking to it.’”
What did we miss? Let us know in the comments section.
“More U.S. children breathe air and drink water that is polluted, more are living in crowded, costly housing that strains the family budget and more babies are being born at low birth weights that threaten their survival and set them up for problems down the road.â€
HAHA I can see it now, the Mexicans will soon be saying, America nice place to visit, just don’t drink the water!
July 13th, 2007 at 9:16 amWho cares if the judge is “perplexed” — maybe he should re-read the Constitution?
July 13th, 2007 at 9:17 amFor most of American history, homosexual behavior WAS considered “abnormal” — not sure what’s so hard to defend about that — as for brith control “preventing” unwanted pregnancies, in some cases, it also prevents FERTILIZED EGGS from implanting too. More “pro-life” Christians should become aware of that fact.
July 13th, 2007 at 9:19 amWho cares if the judge is “perplexed†— maybe he should re-read the Constitution?
Comment by JaketheFake — July 13, 2007 @ 9:17 am
Who cares if you “cut and paste” other war veteran’s profile as your own - maybe you should just STFU.
July 13th, 2007 at 9:21 amAnyone not on my stupid ignore list that would like to discuss Jake’s blatant hypocrisy and stupidity, please feel free!!!
“In an unusual expression of frustration, the judge who sentenced former White House aide I. Lewis ‘Scooter’ Libby to 30 months in jail, only to see the sentence commuted by President Bush, said he was ‘perplexed’ by the act of clemency.â€
As are most Americans. The Judge followed the same guideline that Gonzo’s department is trying to push.
‘Do as I say, not as I do’ is this administration’s mantra.
Bush administration: Made in China
July 13th, 2007 at 9:21 am#
Who cares if the judge is “perplexed†— maybe he should re-read the Constitution?
Comment by Jake — July 13, 2007 @ 9:17 am
Maybe you should you Nazi. This country was founded for all people to be treated equally by the law.
July 13th, 2007 at 9:22 am“Who cares if the judge is “perplexed†— maybe he should re-read the Constitution?”
Sorry, but could you point us to the article in the Constitution that says the President should grant clemency to criminal crony appointees who disclose the name of covert CIA agents and then lie in court to cover their asses and their boss’ ass ?
July 13th, 2007 at 9:23 am#
For most of American history, homosexual behavior WAS considered “abnormal†— not sure what’s so hard to defend about that — as for brith control “preventing†unwanted pregnancies, in some cases, it also prevents FERTILIZED EGGS from implanting too. More “pro-life†Christians should become aware of that fact.
Comment by Jake — July 13, 2007 @ 9:19 am
Yah not to mention all the deaths of fertilized eggs from the pollution in our food, air, water… Why aren’t you fighting the corporations killing babies? Huh Jakester?
July 13th, 2007 at 9:23 amThe Libby clemency is really eating you, isn’t it? Good.
July 13th, 2007 at 9:24 am“Since 2001, more than 22,000 servicemen and women from all branches of the military have been separated under the personality disorder discharge.†ABC News explains, “This diagnosis means the personality disorder existed before military service, and therefore medical care and disability payments are not the military’s responsibility.â€
This is so sick. This is how we support our troops. If this was true, then why did the military allow these people to enlist in the first place? This is the Military’s way of getting out of paying disability payments for PTSD. We can prepare ourselves for another 50-60,000 servicemen and women being separated under “personality disorder” diagnosis. So we will have thousands of our citizens who have sacrificed for this country come home with PTSD that will be untreated, because they won’t have insurance to cover treatment. Then we will see a rise in divorce, spousal abuse, homeless and probably “postal” incidents committed by the people we have abandoned.
Way to go Bush and the Lemming Republics. Way to support our troops.
July 13th, 2007 at 9:24 am“If you have a combat tour and you are getting labeled as a personality disorder, there is something wrong. It’s a lie,” Peskoff said. —— Damn right it is! If you’re able-bodied enough to go downrange, then there was NO preexisting condition. If there had been and they sent the Soldier downrange anyway, then they are criminally negligent.
introduced an amendment to the National Defense Authorization Act that would temporarily suspend personality disorder discharges for combat veterans —– Combat veterans should be allowed to be medically discharged…but to cut them loose with a ‘preexisting condition’ and therefore get out of providing medical care…is so wrong it’s disgusting.
July 13th, 2007 at 9:25 amann:
First of all, Libby did not even testify in court. Second, look up “pardon” in the Constitution.
July 13th, 2007 at 9:26 am“I got poopie!” LOL
July 13th, 2007 at 9:27 amWe need to pass single-payer so we can spend our effort giving care instead of spending it arguing over whose responsibility it is to give care.
July 13th, 2007 at 9:27 am“Since 2001, more than 22,000 servicemen and women from all branches of the military have been separated under the personality disorder discharge.†ABC News explains, “This diagnosis means the personality disorder existed before military service, and therefore medical care and disability payments are not the military’s responsibility.â€
This is a sick philosophy. The trouble is, it’s the same philosophy the corporate elite use in dealing with American workers, and the same one used by the healthcare industry in dealing with patients (see Sicko if you haven’t yet).
The only thing that is going to stop this administration and its perverted minions is to take to the streets in numbers large enough that no one can ignore.
July 13th, 2007 at 9:29 amFor the record, I have no complaints about NATURAL CAUSES OF DEATH for human blastocysts and embryos — that happens all the time to REAL people as well — what I want criminal investigations of are women overdosing on birth control and doctors who are accessories to that. Just like the Susan Smiths and Jack Kevorkians.
July 13th, 2007 at 9:29 amPLEASE DO NOT ALLOW JAKE TO HIJACK THIS THREAD.
PLEASE DO NOT FEED THE TROLLS.
July 13th, 2007 at 9:31 amSo we will have thousands of our citizens who have sacrificed for this country come home with PTSD that will be untreated, because they won’t have insurance to cover treatment. Then we will see a rise in divorce, spousal abuse, homeless and probably “postal†incidents committed by the people we have abandoned.
Comment by Katie — July 13, 2007 @ 9:24 am
Next they’ll be changing the acronym to Pre-Traumatic Stress Disorder. Then they won’t have to treat anyone!
July 13th, 2007 at 9:32 amJake, are you saying believe in one-celled people?
July 13th, 2007 at 9:32 amThe New York Times challenges Bush’s fear-mongering over al Qaeda in Iraq. “The militant group is in many respects an Iraqi phenomenon. They believe the membership of the group is overwhelmingly Iraqi. Its financing is derived largely indigenously from kidnappings and other criminal activities.â€
Including some $ 282 mil stolen recently. Some insurgent group it’s offering great bonuses for joining.
July 13th, 2007 at 9:33 amFor the record, I wasn’t aware it was “hijacking” to discuss the following posted topics:
1) James Holsinger forced to defend views he expressed in a 1991 paper suggesting that homosexuality is abnormal.
2) “In an unusual expression of frustration, the judge who sentenced former White House aide I. Lewis ‘Scooter’ Libby to 30 months in jail, only to see the sentence commuted by President Bush, said he was ‘perplexed’ by the act of clemency.â€
3) “The popularity of the morning-after pill Plan B has surged in the year since the federal government approved the sale of the controversial emergency contraceptive without a prescription. … The sharp rise was hailed by women’s health and family-planning advocates, who say it illustrates the value of easing access to birth control to help prevent unwanted pregnancies.â€
July 13th, 2007 at 9:33 amJake, you moron, pollution is not natural. Although maybe that’s what affected your brain.. To much mercury, or aluminum in the brain Jake?
July 13th, 2007 at 9:34 amMaybe it’s all the led? Why are you so mentally f-cked up Jake?
The Libby clemency is really eating you, isn’t it? Good.
Comment by No-one in particular
Why is that good? What do you mean? Why do you back favoritism in justice?
July 13th, 2007 at 9:34 am“First of all, Libby did not even testify in court. Second, look up “pardon†in the Constitution.”
Libby committed perjury. He lied to the prosecutor.
Libby was not pardoned. Yet.
July 13th, 2007 at 9:34 am#17 For the record, I have no complaints about NATURAL CAUSES OF DEATH for human blastocysts and embryos
Comment by Jake — July 13, 2007 @ 9:29 am
For the record, contamination isn’t NATURAL, BUT HUMAN PRODUCED.
July 13th, 2007 at 9:35 amwhat I want criminal investigations of are women overdosing on birth control and doctors who are accessories to that. Just like the Susan Smiths and Jack Kevorkians.
Comment by Jake
Susan Smith didn’t use birth control…thats why she ended up having kids - and then drowning them. Jake, focus.
July 13th, 2007 at 9:36 amJake is unnatural.
July 13th, 2007 at 9:38 amann:
YOU were the one to claim that Libby (among others I guess) “lie[d] in court to cover their asses and their boss’ ass” and if you are unaware that the President’s power of commutation is INCLUDED within his pardon power, I’m afraid I can’t help you. Try reading an actual newspaper about the case.
July 13th, 2007 at 9:38 amAlso, Kevorkian dealt with terminally ill patients who wanted the right to die…again, completely unrelated to the thread in every way. PLUS, he did time you moron.
July 13th, 2007 at 9:39 amFor most of American history, homosexual behavior WAS considered “abnormalâ€
Comment by JaketheFake — July 13, 2007 @ 9:19 am
For most of American history, it was acceptable practice to treat the mentally ill by jabbing a sharp ice pick-like tool around the eye and into the brain to “alleviate” the voices!
July 13th, 2007 at 9:39 amAnyone not on the stupid a$$ Ignore List want to discuss that?
Jake, why do you support favoritism in justice?
July 13th, 2007 at 9:39 am#27 Jake is unnatural.
Comment by Tweedster — July 13, 2007 @ 9:38 am
Therefore, Jake IS pollution.
July 13th, 2007 at 9:40 am“overdosing on birth control” ???
please, is this goofball REALLY worth anyone’s time and effort here?
is it not obvious that it’s comments are worthless and unredeemable?
it’s such a drag having to step around troll poop…
July 13th, 2007 at 9:41 am…
For the record, I think every abortion doctor should “do time” (or preferably get the death penalty) too. If anyone NOT on the “Ignore List” wants to discuss that issue, please let me know.
July 13th, 2007 at 9:42 amJake, Libby was not pardoned. He had his sentence commuted. The reasons offered by Bush for commuting the 30 month sentence were perplexing. The 30 months fell within sentencing guidelines; it was not excessive; and the suffering of his family is irrelevant. What many liberal progressives have mocked is that Bush offered every reason he has rejected from the Left when dealing with sentencing reform. Indeed, Bush, who quickly developed the reputation of a Hanging Judge as Governor of Texas, has never revealed any compassion towards people sentenced to jail. Unless they were close personal friends who knew too much.
You might want to read Terry Jones’ A President Transformed.
As for the disgraceful treatment of wounded and traumatized vets, well, that’s the way it is with fascist governments and HMOs. This “pre-existing condition” crap is a standard way that private insurers try to ditch an expensive patient. It is totally bogus. What it does is place the onus on the patient who must now sue to prove the condition was not pre-existing or certainly had nothing to do with injuries received in combat. But the courts are going hard to the right. So don’t expect them to find in any GI’s favour.
However, it should be part of all recruiting pitches that, should you be injured, the VA will p!ss and sh!t all over you and toss you out onto the street. Let’s see if the recruiters make their monthly quota then.
July 13th, 2007 at 9:42 amwhat I want criminal investigations of are women overdosing on birth control and doctors who are accessories to that. Just like the Susan Smiths and Jack Kevorkians.
Comment by Jake
And we want criminal investigations into presidents who grant clemency to someone that once sitting in jail looking at bars for months would then turn on his boss.
Why do you hate America and it’s laws? Oh yah, because you’re a Nazi.
July 13th, 2007 at 9:42 amAt least Jake is kind of coherent…I’m hoping Mr. Preznit bypasses this thread.
The King too is a real zero…all bold type, no substance!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
July 13th, 2007 at 9:42 amJake, Dr. Kevorkian did not perform abortions.
July 13th, 2007 at 9:43 amJake, Libby DID lie in court. He was found guilty of perjury in to the grand jury, which sits in court. No, he didn’t lie during his trial since he never took the stand.
July 13th, 2007 at 9:44 amwhat I want criminal investigations of are women overdosing on birth control and doctors who are accessories to that. Just like the Susan Smiths and Jack Kevorkians.
Comment by JaketheDumbFake — July 13, 2007 @ 9:29 ami
what I want is for you to make coherent sentences, and to make any sense when comparing topics.
July 13th, 2007 at 9:44 amAnyone not on my F’d Up Ignore list want to discuss how Susan Smith drowning her children compares to emergency contraception, and Jack Kevorkian’s accessory to assisted suicide compares to a MD prescribing emergency contraception?
Jake, as a supposed veteran of the Korean War (what year were you born?), how do you feel about the military moving the goalposts on our vets who have are coming back in droves with PTSD?
July 13th, 2007 at 9:45 amSo everybody’s right!
July 13th, 2007 at 9:45 am(And wrong)
Anyone not on my F’d Up Ignore list want to discuss how Susan Smith drowning her children compares to emergency contraception, and Jack Kevorkian’s accessory to assisted suicide compares to a MD prescribing emergency contraception?
Comment by DRxJ — July 13, 2007 @ 9:44 am
Well I wish Jake’s mom would have drowned him in the toilet, maybe she tried and the lack of oxygen is what’s caused Jake to be brain damaged?
Is that what happened Jake?
July 13th, 2007 at 9:46 amFor the record, I think every abortion doctor should “do time†(or preferably get the death penalty) too. If anyone NOT on the “Ignore List†wants to discuss that issue, please let me know.
Comment by Jake
In other words, you will discuss the issue only with those who agree with you.
July 13th, 2007 at 9:47 amDrxJ,
Jake is confused. He is so anti-death he will conflate Kevorkian and Susan Smith qith the morning after pill YET still supports the war.
He his truly an enigma wrapped around an imbecile.
July 13th, 2007 at 9:47 amOther defendants charged with obstruction are copping a “Scooter Libby plea”, asking for thee same leniency Scooter got.
And several have made “Attorneygate pleas” arguing that the federal prosecutors are too biased to prosecute their cases.
Way to go, Chimpy!!
You’re destroying our legal system from the inside. Your pal Osama would be proud.
July 13th, 2007 at 9:48 amAnyone not on my F’d Up Ignore list want to discuss how Susan Smith drowning her children compares to emergency contraception, and Jack Kevorkian’s accessory to assisted suicide compares to a MD prescribing emergency contraception?
Comment by DRxJ — July 13, 2007 @ 9:44 am
Sure. I think Jake only loves people killed when they are killed in illegal wars never declared by Republican Presidents. Or thanks to Republicans bearing a weapon to “protect themselves”. Or thanks to being uninsured because you’re too poor to pay for food and insurances, specially healthcare ones.
July 13th, 2007 at 9:48 amBush is Humpty-Dumpty in Wonderland.
July 13th, 2007 at 9:49 amJake, what is the difference between a good killing and a bad one?
July 13th, 2007 at 9:50 amWilco:
Grand juries meet in secret and are NOT “courts” — there are cafeterias in court buildings too — do you think that make all cafeterias “courts”? At least you realize he didn’t lie during his trial — can you explain that and the President’s pardon power to Ann please?
July 13th, 2007 at 9:50 amFor the record, I think every abortion doctor should “do time†(or preferably get the death penalty) too. If anyone NOT on the “Ignore List†wants to discuss that issue, please let me know.
For the record, I think anyone brainwashing their kids with any form of fairy tale, and miraculous religious bullshit should “do time”.
July 13th, 2007 at 9:50 amOm.
July 13th, 2007 at 9:50 amFor the record, if one disagrees with me, IN A CIVIL MANNER, I would be more than happy to discuss these issues with said person. I will even discuss the concept of “Just Wars” with said person.
July 13th, 2007 at 9:52 amPlease ignore the troll.
He’s an inbred idiot racist redneck Repuke fascist traitor and he has hairy feet too.
July 13th, 2007 at 9:52 am#50
Jake has officially lost it.
July 13th, 2007 at 9:53 amthere are cafeterias in court buildings too — do you think that make all cafeterias “courts�
comment by Jake
I love this guy! Where does he come up with this stuff? Anyone else see a role as the slightly retarded/wily ol’ uncle in a UPN sitcom going to Jake? It could be about a whole family who continually votes against their self interest and makes zero sense when trying to maintain a faced of logic!
July 13th, 2007 at 9:53 amIn case anyone was wondering what is NOT a “civil manner” please see the ad hominem attack @ 9:52 am.
July 13th, 2007 at 9:54 amfaced should have been facade…funny I thought surrender monkeys would be fluent in French.
/self-deprecating sarcasm
July 13th, 2007 at 9:54 am#
For the record, if one disagrees with me, IN A CIVIL MANNER, I would be more than happy to discuss these issues with said person. I will even discuss the concept of “Just Wars†with said person.
Comment by Jake — July 13, 2007 @ 9:52 am
For the record Jake, war isn’t civil when it’s forced upon someone. Now for the record, go away, forever preferably. Isn’t there a fetus you should be trying to save in a family planning clinic? Get off your computer, and get down there.
July 13th, 2007 at 9:55 amBush came to Washington to supposedly restore the integrity of the White House. He has then gone about doing every single thing the Republicans despised in the Clinton administration and doing it in spades.
The Republicans claimed Clinton abused his power of pardon and spent over year investigating his pardons for malfeasance. The Republicans found nothing. Bush, on the other hand, has pardoned a White House insider who could implicate Cheney and Bush in impeachable offences. If there was a quid pro quo to get the pardon, that’s a crime. Sorry, even the Constitution wouldn’t get Bush out of that. And a good argument can be made that Libby ‘bought’ his pardon by not defending himself.
July 13th, 2007 at 9:56 amJake, as a supposed veteran of the Korean War (what year were you born?), how do you feel about the military moving the goalposts on our vets who have are coming back in droves with PTSD?
Comment by Tweedster
July 13th, 2007 at 9:56 amREPUKES HATE OUR TROOPS!!
They filibustered thw Webb bill and now they’re ripping off ki with PTSD from too many combat tours without enough rest.
July 13th, 2007 at 9:56 amFor the record, if one disagrees with me, IN A CIVIL MANNER, I would be more than happy to discuss these issues with said person. I will even discuss the concept of “Just Wars†with said person. Just remember, I plageurize other war hero’s bios, and when confronted with the fact that I can refute, I will implement my penile restrictive Ignore List to feign victory. And then, to override said Ignore List, I will always start my post with “For the record”, thus acknowledging the poster without actually acknowledging.
Aren’t I neat?
Comment by JaketheLonelyFake — July 13, 2007 @ 9:52 am
July 13th, 2007 at 9:56 am#58 In case anyone was wondering what is NOT a “civil manner†please see the ad hominem attack @ 9:52 am.
Comment by Jake — July 13, 2007 @ 9:54 am
For the record, Jake also eludes questions that he doesn’t like, even if are asked in a “civil manner”.
July 13th, 2007 at 9:57 am“there are cafeterias in court buildings too — do you think that make all cafeterias “courtsâ€? ” –Jake
Yes I do. They would be courts of food, or for a better term, “food courts.”
Face, Jake. Face.
And to pre-empt your next post, they would be bathroom courts. Or water fountain courts. But no, there are no closet courts. Don’t be silly, Jake.
July 13th, 2007 at 9:57 am#59 faced should have been facade…funny I thought surrender monkeys would be fluent in French.
/self-deprecating sarcasm
Comment by Tweedster — July 13, 2007 @ 9:54 am
Nah, Bush is barely fluent in English. Don’t ask for a new language when he can’t carry on with one.
July 13th, 2007 at 9:59 amJake said
Do you have a blog where we could all go and discuss these issues? I don’t think so. The point of your Ignore List is NOT to discuss. And you don’t want any difference of opinion –that’s the fascist way. Give us a forum to debate you and we will come. But, like all Republican cowards, I’ll bet you turn your comments section off.
July 13th, 2007 at 9:59 amRep. Tom Price (R-GA) didn’t have to shave off ALL his moustache.
He could have trimmed it to the Hitler look. Who knows. he could start a fashion trend with the Repukes.
July 13th, 2007 at 10:00 amJake does not like debate. Jake despises thinking. Jake is intellectually lazy and does not offer evidence to support his claim that Susan Smith is a raging abortionist. (psssst…once they are born then they are sufficiently formed to live outside the womb)
July 13th, 2007 at 10:00 am“please, is this goofball REALLY worth anyone’s time and effort here? is it not obvious that it’s comments are worthless and unredeemable? it’s such a drag having to step around troll poo”
I so agree. Unfortunately I am starting to think that playing with trolls is the only reason why a lot of people participate in this forum. It is so easy to just ignore them. Playing with them just keeps them coming back. If we were able to all ignore them, eventually they will get bored and go away.
I don’t blame the deterioration of this board solely on the trolls. The people who play with them are just as responsible.
July 13th, 2007 at 10:00 amI want criminal investigations of are women overdosing on birth control and doctors who are accessories to that. Just like the Susan Smiths and Jack Kevorkians.
Comment by Jake — July 13, 2007 @ 9:29 am
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Hey thanks for bringing up “overdosing on birth control,” IT WORKS REALLY WELL. When I did it, it was a wild guess, but thanks to people like you b!tching all the time, more girls know just what to do.
However, Susan Smith and Jack Kervorkian had zip to do with abortion.
You’re crazy.
July 13th, 2007 at 10:00 amPlease don’t feed the trolls.
July 13th, 2007 at 10:02 amES,
I’d like to see GW debate Coco the Gorilla on domestic policy.
July 13th, 2007 at 10:03 ammy gawd… how disappointing…
July 13th, 2007 at 10:03 amit seems many of you DO think the jake is worth your time and effort…
too bad…
it really dumbs down the “conversation”…
too bad…
.
Unfortunately I am starting to think that playing with trolls is the only reason why a lot of people participate in this forum
If that’s the case, then neither the trolls or the people who play with trolls are to blame.
Have you considered the alternative possibility that the topics and articles here on TP are boring, and nobody can really influence the events they describe, and therefore there’s really no point in discussing them seriously. It’s much more fun to have a pie war with the trolls.
July 13th, 2007 at 10:04 amComment by david — July 13, 2007 @ 9:42 am
i see the real “david” is back…
July 13th, 2007 at 10:05 amor am i mistaken for wondering if your name had be hijacked
the past several days ( i was gone yesterday) ?…
oopsy…with a -y, NOT -ie
July 13th, 2007 at 10:06 amIn case anyone was wondering what is NOT a “civil manner†please see the ad hominem attack @ 9:52 am.
Comment by JakethePenileEnvyFake — July 13, 2007 @ 9:54 am
In case anyone was wondering how I got on Jake’s juvenile Ignore List, it was after I caught him cutting and pasting, ver batum, a true Korean War hero’s bio as his own. When I confronted Jake, he ran away like a little child, only to resurface later with his patented “I’m not going to debate you” Ignore List!
July 13th, 2007 at 10:06 am…and in case you are still wondering why I’m feeding this troll, it’s because I have the highest respect for those who serve, and who have served. And Jake’s dishonest plageurizing of a true American hero, makes me sick, and until he apologizes, he will get no mercy from me, EVER, while he and I are posting!
ES,
I’d like to see GW debate Coco the Gorilla on domestic policy.
Comment by Tweedster — July 13, 2007 @ 10:03 am
Somehow, I think that a Gorilla would do better as President. Gorillas are far peaceful than chimpanzees, have stable families (and real family values), and only use force to defend themselves from predators, not to force their will onto other members. A little showing of force is enough. Chimps are more violent by far.
July 13th, 2007 at 10:07 amWell, I’m on forums far busier and with way more threads than TP and they can keep order quite easily. Why can’t TP?
The trolls should simply have the posts deleted. Again and again. Stricken for the record, as they say in Court.
It would not be surpressing Free Speech. The concept being invoked would be Decorum, a necessary component in political discourse.
The purpose of the Trolls is to disrupt Free Speech. They’re like the nuts who disrupted the Hindu prayer in Congress. They are frightened that Free Speech might lead to Progress.
So I feel ThinkProgress should live up to it’s mandate and weed out the trolls so we can Think about Progress.
Om.
July 13th, 2007 at 10:08 amSo NOIP,
What do you think of the Army wriggling out of its responsibility to our troops?
July 13th, 2007 at 10:09 amComment by david — July 13, 2007 @ 9:59 am
Well said david. He doesn’t want to debate. He get’s offended to easily while also throwing insults. It’s enjoyable for short periods to read his tripe but it leads nowhere.
He adds nothing to discussions here. Mostly because his ignore list keeps growing.
July 13th, 2007 at 10:09 amREPUKES HATE OUR TROOPS!!
They filibustered thw Webb bill and now they’re ripping off ki with PTSD from too many combat tours without enough rest.
Comment by Tom3 — July 13, 2007 @ 9:56 am
LIEberman filibustered the webb/hagel bill…
did you all know that? … looking through the previous threads,
i saw no mention of that fact…
it was LIEberman…
imagine that…
July 13th, 2007 at 10:10 am.
it was after I caught him cutting and pasting, ver batum, a true Korean War hero’s bio as his own.
Comment by DRxJ
Awww man, that’s shameful.
Jake?? Care to cover this one? C’Mon, tell us it’s YOUR webpage. I’m even willing to give you the BotD on this one….
Jake?
July 13th, 2007 at 10:10 amkaty said
I haven’t posted much in the past 48 hrs. I did see a fake post with my name and references to other posts that seemed to have been deleted. It’s very frustrating.
July 13th, 2007 at 10:11 amaddendum to my post #79:
July 13th, 2007 at 10:11 amI will continually call out Jake’s BS until he apologizes. Feel free to ignore any and all posts that end with “comment by” DRxJ and/or Jake
The married father of four has remained in seclusion since, missing Senate votes and other activities Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday.
After the comments made by Vitter’s wife, maybe someone should check in on them…he may ALREADY be in a freezer somewhere.
July 13th, 2007 at 10:14 amaddendum to my post #79:
I will continually call out Jake’s BS until he apologizes. Feel free to ignore any and all posts that end with “comment by†DRxJ and/or Jake
Comment by DRxJ
Such an important mission you have in life. The only thing you’re accomplishing though is drawing attention to your irrationality and the confused way in which you think.
July 13th, 2007 at 10:17 amFor the record, I served in the Army during the Korean War — claiming that I didn’t and what I post is “BS” is what gets you on the “Ignore List” — again, see definition of “Civil Manner” above.
July 13th, 2007 at 10:20 amI’m sure everyone has seen the file footage all the “news” programs run over and over of scooter? scooter getting out of the car, scooter opening doors at the court house for his lawyers, scooter on his crutches…
All the while with that shit eating grin on his stupid little face…there was not a doubt in his tiny pea brain head that he was never going to spend ONE DAY in jail.
There are laws for you and I, and there are laws for these criminal bastards… like chimpy, shooter, gonzo and all the rest.
July 13th, 2007 at 10:21 amfyi, david… those posts i read were fairly simple and innocuous…
July 13th, 2007 at 10:22 amjust not your thoughtful and informing style…
…
…scooter getting out of the car, scooter opening doors at the court house for his lawyers, scooter on his crutches…
All the while with that shit eating grin on his stupid little face…there was not a doubt in his tiny pea brain head that he was never going to spend ONE DAY in jail.
Comment by Pat — July 13, 2007 @ 10:21 am
i noticed this also… he would lag behind and even pose, even though
July 13th, 2007 at 10:25 amit was out of time and place to do so… like he really wanted that
limelight, the attention…
another little weasle…
it was after I caught him cutting and pasting, ver batum, a true Korean War hero’s bio as his own.
Comment by DRxJ
I served in the Army during the Korean War — claiming that I didn’t and what I post is “BSâ€
Comment by Jake
Jake, DrxJ said you C&P’ed someone else’s bio as your own. That was a not-so-clever attempt to avoid the issue. If true, (and I suspect it is) it speaks to credibility.
July 13th, 2007 at 10:25 amCare to address it?
#34 Jake
For the record, I think every abortion doctor should “do time†(or preferably get the death penalty) too.
Here’s the short and sweet response to that, Jake, and it’s your favorite kind:
Abortion is legal, so there’s nothing wrong with it.
Explanation: No matter what Bush does, if you can somehow dispute that it was not technically breaking a law (even though you’re wrong about that 99% of the time), you use that to justify it. So, you’ve got no complaint against abortion. It’s legal, so STFU.
July 13th, 2007 at 10:25 amThis is a good essay by a Republican professor on the mistake of “preaching to the choir”. See A Defence of Nancy Pelosi.
July 13th, 2007 at 10:26 amHow Vitter voted on the floor during his calls to the prostitute:
“Yes! Yes! Oh God, yes!”
July 13th, 2007 at 10:26 amSuch an important mission you have in life. The only thing you’re accomplishing though is drawing attention to your irrationality and the confused way in which you think.
Comment by 20wordsor less
Why thank you for contributing such intellectual gold to the thread!
What do you think of the Army trying to wriggle out of its responsibility to the well-being of our soliders?
July 13th, 2007 at 10:26 amAnyone not on my asinine Ignore List want to take a stroll down memory lane?
Here is the thread where Jake not only get’s caught cutting and pasting, he also admits to name-jacking:
http://thinkprogress.org/ 2007/ 04/ 05/ pelosi-syria-prove-it/
Please note:
Post 177 is where “Jake” hijacks Wayne’s name
Post 183 is where, still under Wayne’s name, he posts his military record
Post 195 is where “Jake” is caught plageurizing
Enjoy!
July 13th, 2007 at 10:27 amThe trolls should simply have the posts deleted. Again and again. Stricken for the record, as they say in Court.
Come on. Don’t be shy and admit it. You want TP to implement the Free Republic model, so that you could enjoy a liberal version of such an echo chamber. :)
Simple registration will make most of us trolls go elsewhere. Creating a new e-mail address and creating another account sounds trivial, but hey, as long as there are registration free sites (Raw Story, for instance) to troll, even that will drive the laziest trolls away.
July 13th, 2007 at 10:31 amI never posted as “Wayne”.
July 13th, 2007 at 10:33 am#98
He disappeared from that thread after he was caught, too.
July 13th, 2007 at 10:33 amrecords released […] indicate she placed calls that were answered by Sen. David Vitter’s Washington phone
anyone with any ideas as to why SHE would call him?
July 13th, 2007 at 10:36 amcould vitter be a pimp?
ah hahaha!
Anyone not on my asinine Ignore List want to take a stroll down memory lane?
Here is the thread where Jake not only get’s caught cutting and pasting, he also admits to name-jacking:
http://thinkprogress.org/ 2007/ 04/ 05/ pelosi-syria-prove-it/
Please note:
Post 177 is where “Jake†hijacks Wayne’s name
Post 183 is where, still under Wayne’s name, he posts his military record
Post 195 is where “Jake†is caught plageurizing
Enjoy!
Comment by DRxJ
More than anything, I see your own ridiculous outbursts. What is your point anyway? …besides acting like an emotional and irrational teenage girl who’s PMSing.
July 13th, 2007 at 10:37 amThe so-called pro-lifers are always inconsistant in their stance, most times hypocritically so. That’s why you get examples that are irrelevant to the argument.
July 13th, 2007 at 10:37 amWas he voting on issues of ‘family values’ when the Madam called?!!
July 13th, 2007 at 10:37 amI have no problem hearing the Republican or conservative side of things. What I don’t care for is the White Man’s Noise screeching in my ear. What’s the point?
If the only way the conservatives can win an argument is to shout down the other side, I’d say they must have a very weak case.
Be nice. It’s the polarization of ideologies that’s destoyed politics in America. And it’s destroying Democracy.
July 13th, 2007 at 10:37 am(yawn)
July 13th, 2007 at 10:39 am20wordsof nothing still posting?
Sorry, I’m on Jake’s ignore list so I can’t comment on this.
I found this on CNN this morning.
http://www.cnn.com/ 2007/ US/ 07/ 13/ terror.threat/ index.html
What’s interesting is that it says Al-Qaeda is getting stronger and more of a threat to the US. However, it also says they are located on the Afghanistan/Pakistan border and NOT in Iraq. So, the next time a troll (or our president) tries to tell you we’re fighting the terrorists in Iraq, note that the terrorists are actually not there.
July 13th, 2007 at 10:40 amKaty’s post read
This is not too crazy a comment. Some people gain friends and influence by being the host of the party. One might want to investigate what kind of entertainer Sen. Vitter was and did he provide ‘dates’ for some of his political buddies. He may have even been provided with an expense account by a friendly lobbyist.
July 13th, 2007 at 10:42 amWe’ve all heard it before, but the best way to deal trolls is to simply not reply to them, ignore, pretend they don’t exist. It’s the reaction they crave, and we give it to them every time. I’m guilty as well.
Let me point out that I differentiate between trolls, who post to purposely “hijack” the threads and make themselves the focus. I certainly welcome those with differing opinions, who want to have sincere discussion about the issues.
Registration would solve the issue of namejacking. I think those of us who appreciate this site and most of its inhabitants wouldn’t mind a few minutes of inconvenience in order to raise the level of debate and integrity of TP. I don’t know if it’s technically possible here. Really, our best tool is to resist the urge to reply to obvious idiots.
July 13th, 2007 at 10:42 am“Grand juries meet in secret and are NOT “courts†— there are cafeterias in court buildings too — do you think that make all cafeterias “courtsâ€? At least you realize he didn’t lie during his trial — can you explain that and the President’s pardon power to Ann please?”
I suppose you would like to debate the meaning of the word “is” as well.
Libby lied. He got caught. He is a criminal.
July 13th, 2007 at 10:45 amI never posted as “Wayneâ€.
Comment by Jake
Yeah, actually you did.
July 13th, 2007 at 10:46 amGo back and read the post #183 in the link provided earlier by DrxJ……then come back and deny it was you…….then go away.
anyone with any ideas as to why SHE would call him?
could vitter be a pimp?
ah hahaha!
Comment by katy — July 13, 2007 @ 10:36 am
This is not too crazy a comment. Some people gain friends and influence by being the host of the party. One might want to investigate what kind of entertainer Sen. Vitter was and did he provide ‘dates’ for some of his political buddies. He may have even been provided with an expense account by a friendly lobbyist.
Comment by david
Read the linked article. It was her standard procedure to return calls in order to authenticate the client’s request for services.
July 13th, 2007 at 10:49 am…Let me point out that I differentiate between trolls, who post to purposely “hijack†the threads and make themselves the focus. I certainly welcome those with differing opinions, who want to have sincere discussion about the issues…
Comment by Candyce
This is laughable. Differing opinions are viciously attacked here, and the only observable sincerity at work here is the way in which the regulars seek to silence their opposition.
July 13th, 2007 at 10:51 amBut he wasn’t used to that gadget, and he quickly found himself in the vicious cycle of trimming each end of the ’stache in an effort to even it out. Before he knew it, there was not enough left to salvage.
Oh, no mustache rides any more, how sad.
July 13th, 2007 at 10:52 amFor the record, I’ve read post #183 and that was not me. Someone else posted as “Jake” as well on the other this morning @ 10:26, 10:40, and 10:50 am:
http://thinkprogress.org/ 2007/ 07/ 13/ demint-could-be-next-to-be-caught-patronizing-prostitutes/ #comment-3933231
It does not matter whether there is “registration” or not, I will NOT “go away”.
July 13th, 2007 at 10:53 amComment by Vinnie — July 13, 2007 @ 10:40 am
Yeah, I just recently read that article.
July 13th, 2007 at 10:54 amSo the question begs…
How has the occupation in Iraq affected the Global War On Terror (terminology now defunct)?
Great job, Dubya, great job!
Cool. I always thought Jake was a nutter, but I didn’t know he was a plagiarizing nutter.
DrxJ, why do you say Jake likes rape?
July 13th, 2007 at 11:03 amFor the record, I’ve read post #183 and that was not me. Someone else posted as “Jake†as well on the other this morning @ 10:26, 10:40, and 10:50 am:
http://thinkprogress.org/ 2007/ 07/ 13/ demint-could-be-next-to-be-caught-patronizing-prostitutes/ #comment-3933231
It does not matter whether there is “registration†or not, I will NOT “go awayâ€.
Comment by Jake
If it’s any consolation Jake—I believe you. Like any of the topics discussed here, the regulars are incapable of changing their positions or retracting their statements no matter how much proof you give them. Keep in mind that these people actually think they know you better than you know yourself.
July 13th, 2007 at 11:03 amI’ve dealt with much worse in my career, 20wordsor less.
July 13th, 2007 at 11:08 amthanks gummitch, and david…
July 13th, 2007 at 11:13 amlogical explanation, and plausible scenario…
…
“I’ve dealt with much worse in my career, 20wordsor less.”
Comment by Jake
From rightwing sites, that ban him after a few nutty comments.
July 13th, 2007 at 11:14 amAnd in other news: http://www.reuters.com/ article/ politicsNews/ idUSN1241057620070712?pageNumber=2
Just a few days ago, Chertoff was saying: PHEAR! PHEEEAAR! THE TERRISTS ARE COMING! PHEEEEAAAAAARRRRR!!!1!!11!!1!1one!one!!1!1
That triggered speculation from pundits that Al Queda in the USA was about ready to strike with another September 11th Style attack. Talk about increased chatter, movement of resources, and patterns that looked like the summer before September 11th, 2001 emerged and were harped on by the so-called liberal media. They let it stay out like that for a few days, letting lines like ‘terrorists will attack your neighborhood shopping mall if we pull out of Iraq’ out from their little caves. Then suddenly…
Chertoff now: “Oh, I was just playing a hunch. There’s nothing in particular out there that suggests that the Terrorists are about to make an attack. It was revealed that his hunch that we’re going to encounter terrorists was not only a hunch but a so-called gut feeling. The media never once questioned why he’s playing a hunch. They reported the other fools in the administration’s claims with not so much as a single comment about inconsistencies in his and their stories.
PHEEEAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRBLARGH! is getting as old as CLINTON DID IT!!!!1!11!11!!!one!1, and yet the media still reports it as if it’s gospel. When do we finally call bull on this once and for all?
July 13th, 2007 at 11:15 amI’ve dealt with much worse in my career, 20wordsor less.
Comment by Jake
Sorry to hear that. As for me, I have never dealt with this much vitriol and confused thinking in my life.
July 13th, 2007 at 11:15 amOops, that was me in post 124. The Trolls are probably licking Chertoff’s boots and saying, “Yesssth, maahthter….”, not questioning his foolish ‘hunches’ designed to start national panics.
July 13th, 2007 at 11:17 amComment by 20wordsor less @ 125
Maybe you should stop talking to Jake, since he’s a nutter.
July 13th, 2007 at 11:31 amTP: “Sen. Mitch McConnell (R-KY) is standing idle while Sen. Jim DeMint (R-SC) keeps an unanimously approved ethics bill in limbo. “Mitch McConnell is making a big mistake sitting on his hands,†said Craig Holman, legislative representative for Public Citizen. “Now he’s letting his own rank-and-file undermine his image of authority.â€
Let’s see if I’ve got this right…apparently McConnell is content to “stand idle” while he is made out to be the good guy in this standoff. Who’s to say this impasse isn’t scripted as a win-win for the obstructionist minority?…the bill is stalled, McConnell slips the blame, and a junior is credited with being a rock in the gears.
July 13th, 2007 at 11:48 am(I hate to interrupt all the troll-baiting, but I do have a comment not particularly related to it…)
The article about the judge being perplexed about the president’s statements accompanying Libby’s commutation said that part of the conditions of Libby’s probation are to be “not associate with any persons engaged in criminal activity”… I can only assume this means Libby won’t be returning to work in the vice president’s office.
July 13th, 2007 at 11:49 amPatriotActor ~
July 13th, 2007 at 12:06 pmIt wouldn’t matter, since probation can only be imposed once a jail sentence is completed, so no jail, no probation, that’s part of the confusing shit. He’s welcome to visit Darth Veeper’s office/torture chamber any time he needs an SM fix.
i understand tht’s the exact thing that happened to Hitler and Charlie Chaplain.
July 13th, 2007 at 12:10 pmany word here at TP about “INHERANT CONTEMPT†?
congress needs to dust off that gem and apply it NOW…
…
and, anyone hear about boxer’s
closer to a dictatorship than ever comment???
are these subjects off limits to TP?
July 13th, 2007 at 12:12 pm…
Fire the Grid, a worldwide meditation, was inspired by an amazing sequence of events.
To watch the video of the story go to:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqUAluDvuU4
Check this out. The date is July 17, 2007 at 11:11GMT (04:11 Pacific)
Go to: http://www.firethegrid.com and read the Story, Problem and Plan.
July 13th, 2007 at 12:30 pmMore than anything, I see your own ridiculous outbursts. What is your point anyway? …besides acting like an emotional and irrational teenage girl who’s PMSing.
Comment by 20wordsor less — July 13, 2007 @ 10:37 am
As for me, I have never dealt with this much vitriol and confused thinking in my life.
Comment by 20wordsor less — July 13, 2007 @ 11:15 am
More than anything, I see your own ridiculous outbursts. What is your point anyway? …besides acting like an emotional and irrational teenage girl who’s PMSing.
July 13th, 2007 at 12:37 pmDeMint puts a hold on ethics bill. In next post, DeMint says ‘we’ are all nervous about the DC Madame phone numbers. Do you suppose there’s any connection?
July 13th, 2007 at 1:10 pm#131 Katy…As you know I was posting about Inherent Contempt vigorously yesterday. I don’t have the time to do so today. But I did stop by here to see if anybody else was talking about it. Good to see at least one person is…YOU.
This is part of the problem we have as independents/progressives/liberals. We like to jump from problem to problem. If we just focused on a few big issues we might be more effective.
Inherent Contempt is not a one day issue. It may be our last remaining “weapon” to bring the neo-cons to accountability. I hope everybody is still jamming the phones of their reps. demanding Inherent Contempt being brought up against Harriet Miers yesterday. I turned on the radio today and she hasn’t been charged yet!! WHY?? It is beyond belief that she didn’t even show up to testify. Either we have a system of justice or we don’t. And if we don’t we have ANARCHY.
Tell your rep. you want Harriet Miers brought up on charges on Inherent Contempt. The Capitol Police will CUFF HER and drag her into the House of Representatives where she will IMMEDIATELY go on trial! We must make this happen!
Nancy Pelosi: 1-202-225-0100
July 13th, 2007 at 1:22 pmHarry Reid: 1-202-224-3542
John Conyers: 1-202-225-5126
#131 Katy…As you know I was posting about Inherent Contempt vigorously yesterday. I don’t have the time to do so today. But I did stop by here to see if anybody else was talking about it. Good to see at least one person is…YOU.
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Comment by Larry from C — July 13, 2007 @ 1:22 pm
i was absent from TP yesterday…
driving to st.louis and back… away from the puter, so was unable to stream AirAmericaRadio (thom hartmann), which means listening to XM, which means ed schultz… a confessison: have had to listen to ed more than i had wanted to and find that it is better than i thought, at times…
but this is where i learned about barbara boxer’s comment - to ed -
about this country being too close to a dictatorship…
seems that story is being picked up by blitzer tonight - that and the
outcry for IMPEACHMENT and going to hit the mainstream airwaves…
that’s what it’s gonna take - let the peoples know it’s what needs to
July 13th, 2007 at 1:38 pmbe talked about to put pressure on the congress…
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INHERENT CONTEMPT
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July 13th, 2007 at 2:00 pm.
Now we are to believe that Vitter confused and asked forgiveness to something he didn’t do. Then there’s the other prostitute who identified Vitters as a customer yet he didn’t to that either. I guess Americans are dumb enough to believe this Religious Senator never did anything and just move on. Maybe we should just allow Republicans who preach one thing and do another alone. We can always attack others who use prostitutes services. I now understand what Karl Rove was saying about how Republicans are the example of Christian, family, moral Values of American and all should vote for them and use them as examples of what to do.
July 13th, 2007 at 2:05 pm“… separated under the personality disorder discharge.†ABC News explains, “This diagnosis means the personality disorder existed before military service, and therefore medical care and disability payments are not the military’s responsibility.â€
——————————————–
Nice! The military has learned from the insurance companies how to exclude people from their medical expense pool.
Preexisting conditions, particularly in the case of PTSS can now be easily attributed to prior “personal disorder” to avoid payments. What a great country we live in, when a president can send thousands to serve as IED fodder, and then have his underlings refusing to treat seriously distrurbed soldiers. A pox on the Army!
July 13th, 2007 at 4:46 pmdead thread, but… after having to break away earlier,
i remembered something, and must take the time to post this:
most of what i learned about INHERENT CONTEMPT came from
listening to RANDI RHODES during the drive home…
she repeated, and went into greater detail, the process which
was brought up by a caller AND john dean the day before…
ed’s been outspoken about IMPEACHMENT this week…
as has randi - good that both have come around to this and
are putting it out there…
hartman has always called for it…
it’s working!
July 13th, 2007 at 5:00 pm.
For the record, if one disagrees with me, IN A CIVIL MANNER, I would be more than happy to discuss these issues with said person. I will even discuss the concept of “Just Wars†with said person.
Comment by Jake — July 13, 2007 @ 9:52 am
For the record, jackass, NO ONE on or off of your precious ignore list wants to hear your ideas on anything. What part of this do you not understand?
July 13th, 2007 at 6:34 pmVitter is a disgrace, and those republicans who preach morality and up hold the sanctity of marriage should call on him to resign. If he was taking these calls while he was in the House and it was in session, then the Ethics committee needs to take steps to remove Vitter from office like Foley. He broke the law.
Someone should put a hold on Holsinger’s nomination so it doesn’t move forward or out of the committee. He doesn’t deserve this position. His bias is both bigoted and factually inaccurate. People with his views often discriminate against Gay Americans in the workplace. It should not be tolerated. Discrimination is against the law. Homosexuality is as normal as heterosexuality.
Bush stepped outside his powers of clemency when he commuted Libby’s sentence. The judge’s sentence should have been allowed to stand and Libby should have served his full sentence. He broke the law and should pay for his crimes. Libby is not above the law neither is Bush who commuted Libby’s sentence to save himself and Cheney from potential prosecution. Bush didn’t respect the rule of law.
These payments are the military’s responsibility. This is unconscionable and is a disservice to our troops and their sacrifices to this nation. Our troops lay their lives on the line for us. We owe it to them to get this policy right. Like the Walter Reed scandal we need to take better care of our troops.
Al Qaeda is by no means an Iraqi phenomenon. Bush couldn’t even provide any proof at this press conference how al Qaeda in Iraq was specifically related to bin Laden or the organization in Afghanistan. These people may identify with bin Laden and his ideology but there is no proof they are receiving resources from him. Iraq had nothing to do with 9-11 or bin Laden. We invaded the wrong country, in the wrong place and at the wrong time. There were no WMDs, we were lied into this war.
July 13th, 2007 at 8:32 pm