64 percent:
By on Jul 14th, 2007 at 5:32 pm
64 percent:
Number of Americans who consider President Bush’s escalation in Iraq a “failure.” Additionally 68 percent “disapprove of the way the president is handling the war in Iraq,” according to the latest Newsweek poll.
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The majority of misinformed. That’s what it is.
July 14th, 2007 at 5:34 pmDamn… who ARE those 32%, and what are they not getting???
July 14th, 2007 at 5:34 pmThe majority of misinformed. That’s what it is.
Comment by Drinkin’ and stinkin’
Nah, as ususal, you’re compleltey backwards, son. It’s the minority of the uninformed.
July 14th, 2007 at 5:35 pmUh … have you seen Congress’s approval numbers? Even President Carter did better. Instead of gloating about Bush’s nosedive, perhaps we should work on getting Congress to do better.
Nick Kasoff
July 14th, 2007 at 5:35 pmThe Thug Report
Instead of gloating about Bush’s nosedive, perhaps we should work on getting Congress to do better.
Comment by Nick Kasoff
As long as the Rethugs continue to block all and any legislation they can, it’s gonna be hard. It’s funny, the Dem solution would be to resort to the kind of bullying Repugs used, which would make the Dems more and more like the GOOPers. A tough call…
July 14th, 2007 at 5:38 pmAt the residence at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. that number drops to 0% and that’s all that really matters.
July 14th, 2007 at 5:46 pm…the 32% that do not disapprove think Saddam was the mastermind of 9/11.
July 14th, 2007 at 5:53 pm…the 32% that do not disapprove think Saddam was the mastermind of 9/11.
Comment by PhillyGuy
Or they simply want to stay in power at all costs. Do that many people work for oil companies?
July 14th, 2007 at 5:58 pmand military suppliers?
July 14th, 2007 at 6:01 pmClinton’s Fault!!!
July 14th, 2007 at 6:07 pm#2 That percentage of individuals are far from misinformed; in fact, I’d say that that’s where the biggest crooks in this country lie – in that 32%. Just imagine the composition of this illustrious group for a moment – haliburton employees & investors, KBR investors, Carlyle Group Investors, and the rest of the bushwipes such as big oil, big pharma, and big insurance.
These are the 32% of individuals supporting Bush because they realize that if he goes down, he takes all of them down with him which translates into life sentences for a good portion of them.
They have much to lose and are hanging on for dear life – literally.
July 14th, 2007 at 6:10 pm71% of Americans believe U.S. troops should be largely withdrawn by next April or that 79% believe that Bush’s surge has made the situation in Iraq no better or worse.
But for Bush, one thing never changes in Iraq:
July 14th, 2007 at 6:13 pm“We’re Making Progress.”
The failed escaltion (failed Escalation #3?) was dreamed up (coke-induced dream/nightmare?) by the current corrupt, crooked, warmongering president, AGAINST the advice and findings of the NeoCon-slanted Iraq Study Group!
Focusing on THAT fact, keeps us ON topic, and OFF of the distractions of the inevitable NeoCon trolls.
July 14th, 2007 at 6:16 pmThey have much to lose and are hanging on for dear life – literally.
Comment by isis11
(Yeah… I suspected as much… I was just being… sarcastic…)
Geez, look at the name I post under…
July 14th, 2007 at 6:22 pmBush on pollsters: “Those motherfu*kers want to take out my presidency.”
July 14th, 2007 at 6:24 pmBush on pollsters: “Those motherfu*kers want to take out my presidency.â€
Comment by Badmoodman
Pollsters to Bush: “Bring it on, Li’l Bushie, Bring… It… On, Dawg!!!”
July 14th, 2007 at 6:26 pmwhat—- wait are we still in Iraq?I thought democrats has soon has they got elected was gonna get us out.
July 14th, 2007 at 6:31 pm# 17 – Comment by crimedog — July 14, 2007 @ 6:31 pm
Nice try to get us off topic. But like all noisesome NeoCon trolls, YOU FAILED!
It is the NeoCons keeping us occupying and destroying Iraq. The escalation is a NeoCon wet dream. It has failed; so have the NeoCons.
UNDER THE BRIDGE, NEO-CON TROLL!
July 14th, 2007 at 6:37 pmMeanwhile the Congress has even lower approval ratings than the President. How do you explain that?
July 14th, 2007 at 6:43 pmUNDER THE BRIDGE, NEO-CON TROLL!
Comment by hterrya
Nice kick to the groin, hterrya. That’s gotta smart!
July 14th, 2007 at 6:43 pmhttp://www.pbs.org/ moyers/ journal/ video_popups/ pop_vid_impeachment1-1.html
discussion on Impeachment. Bruce Fein and John Nichols. Fein is from AEI and Supports Impeachment, as does the Nations Nichols.
The time has come for Impeachment
July 14th, 2007 at 6:46 pmMeanwhile the Congress has even lower approval ratings than the President. How do you explain that?
Comment by Drinkin’ and stinkin’
Actually, it’s quite simple. The public expected the Dems to have the cojones to stand up to Bru$ch. It’s also in part due to the extreme obstructionist behavior of the Repugs. Please, are you suggesting that, **snicker… snicker**, more people approve of Bru$ch?
The Dems start playing like Repugs and brass-knuckle the GOP into a corner, you’ll see Congress’ approval rating go back up.
July 14th, 2007 at 6:46 pmThe escalation is a NeoCon wet dream. It has failed; so have the NeoCons.
Ok. Let’s see what you say after the incursions into Pakistan and escalation with Iran produce actual results in the war on terror.
July 14th, 2007 at 6:47 pmThe time has come for Impeachment
Comment by willyloman
I finally think we are heading in that direction, willy. Too, too many voices from too many directions…
July 14th, 2007 at 6:47 pm#22: Yeah. That’s your excuse. The truth is that 110th Congress has achieved absolutely nothing except meaningless hearings. hearings and hearings and the people are just fed up with it.
July 14th, 2007 at 6:48 pmMeanwhile the Congress has even lower approval ratings than the President. How do you explain that?
Comment by Drinkin’ and stinkin’ — July 14, 2007 @ 6:43 pm
Mr peepee, put that gin bottle down and go out to get some air…
July 14th, 2007 at 6:48 pmactual results in the war on terror.
Comment by Drinkin’ and stinkin’
You mean, another increase in terrorism? Or perhaps, the Jihadists’ wet dream – overthrowing Musharrif so they will finally have a nuke? Oh yeah, you’re quite the political analysist. Actually, the first part of that word is accurate.
July 14th, 2007 at 6:49 pmI must admit, Mr. President, that you have achieved quite a status here.
You’re being blamed for every troll.
July 14th, 2007 at 6:50 pm#22: Yeah. That’s your excuse. The truth is that 110th Congress has achieved absolutely nothing except meaningless hearings. hearings and hearings and the people are just fed up with it.
Comment by Drinkin’ and stinkin
The 110th has passed twice as much legislation in half a year as the 109th did in a full yr, you idiot. There are these things called “facts”. You might try getting acquainted w/ the concept.
I for one, want even more hearings into the endless corruption of the GOP. We’ve barely started, child. The GOP is well on its way to extinction and it’s self-inflicted!!!
July 14th, 2007 at 6:52 pmYou’re being blamed for every troll.
Comment by Drinkin’ and stinkin’ — July 14, 2007 @ 6:50 pm
Hey, what can I say… they all sound alike to me
July 14th, 2007 at 6:53 pmAnd 36% of people surveyed were found to be clueless idiots.
July 14th, 2007 at 7:22 pmYou’re being blamed for every troll.
Comment by Drinkin’ and stinkin’ — July 14, 2007 @ 6:50 pm
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July 14th, 2007 at 8:11 pmYup. I’m kinda like alkaida!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
14% Congresses approval rating!
July 14th, 2007 at 8:20 pm“who ARE those 32%, and what are they not getting???
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — July 14, 2007″
You tell me? What am I not getting?
July 14th, 2007 at 8:21 pm“As long as the Rethugs continue to block all and any legislation they can
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — July 14, 2007″
But, but, you’ve got the majority!
July 14th, 2007 at 8:24 pm“…the 32% that do not disapprove think Saddam was the mastermind of 9/11.
Comment by PhillyGuy — July 14, 2007″
No we don’t!
July 14th, 2007 at 8:25 pmGood points. Add the know-nothings and the power mongers — that’s about 32%
July 14th, 2007 at 8:29 pm“Just imagine the composition of this illustrious group for a moment
Comment by isis11 — July 14, 2007″
You left out one very important group……those of us that understand what’s at stake in the world if we do as the liberals want us to do….surrender!
July 14th, 2007 at 8:29 pmthose of us that understand what’s at stake in the world if we do as the liberals want us to do….surrender!
Comment by michael
That’s a dishonest statement and you’re an idiot.
July 14th, 2007 at 8:32 pm“The time has come for Impeachment
Comment by willyloman — July 14, 2007″
willi, the time has come for you to go back to sleep. There will never be any impeachment of this President. You have no grounds.
July 14th, 2007 at 8:33 pm“That’s a dishonest statement and you’re an idiot.
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — July 14, 2007″
Why is it dishonest? You want us to bring our military home. That in any language equals surrender.
July 14th, 2007 at 8:34 pm“The escalation is a NeoCon wet dream. It has failed
Comment by hterrya — July 14, 2007″
It has? Explain how? I’m waiting?
July 14th, 2007 at 8:38 pmWhy mikey you little scamp, here I was waiting for you to answer me on the Rice thread below (hours ago) and here you are trashing up this thread with your stupidity. Let’s stay on topic my moronic little friend – what do you think about the poll ratings?
July 14th, 2007 at 8:40 pm“Why mikey you little scamp, here I was waiting for you to answer me on the Rice thread below (hours ago)”
And what makes you think I would waste my entire Saturday sitting in front of my computer debating with stupid children?
“what do you think about the poll ratings?”
Are you referring to Congresses 14% approval rating?
Comment by Quadrajet — July 14, 2007
July 14th, 2007 at 8:43 pmI’m waiting?
Comment by michael — July 14, 2007 @ 8:38 pm
I don’t know, are you asking yourself questions now?
July 14th, 2007 at 8:44 pmYour claim is not so much dishonest- I do believe you honestly are this misinformed. But rather it is illogical. Let us examine the validity of your assertion: “You want us to bring our military home. That in any language equals surrender.â€
This categorical claim is flawed for several reasons. First, you say that bringing the military home is synonymous with surrender- in any language even. However, if we were to bring the military home from bases in Germany or elsewhere would that equal surrender? Obviously not. You are missing a few basic premises here.
You might try to argue that bringing our troops home from a war that they are actively fighting would be surrender. But again I think this is problematic, since it is really not a conventional war they are fighting, but, rather, a civil war they are policing. So I am not sure that bringing troops home would mean “surrender.â€
You should avoid thoughtless categorical claims. I guess they work for W most the time, but we’re brighter here.
July 14th, 2007 at 8:46 pmAre you referring to Congresses 14% approval rating?
Comment by michael — July 14, 2007 @ 8:43 pm
No mikey, I’m not. I’m talking about the poll that is the subject of the thread – it’s right there at the top…..I’ll wait for you to read it……
July 14th, 2007 at 8:46 pm“And what makes you think I would waste my entire Saturday sitting in front of my computer debating with stupid children?
Comment by michael — July 14, 2007 @ 8:43 pm”
Why nothing does mikey. Afterall, if you wanted to debate stupid children all day you wouldn’t have been here for most of it.
July 14th, 2007 at 8:51 pmYou want to know how to get that number a little higher?
Tell the 30 percent or so who like the way the war is going, that they have to go next.
Then, just sit back, and watch that number grow.
July 14th, 2007 at 8:54 pmMikey……Mikey????? Is this thing working??????
July 14th, 2007 at 8:56 pmYeah, we are in the minority. So what!! We, with our AIPAC backers, we will start Gulf War 3 soon, and there’s no a F**king thing you can do about it.
July 14th, 2007 at 8:56 pmYou want us to bring our military home. That in any language equals surrender.
Comment by michael
You don’t know what I want, because you haven’t asked me, nor have I stated a position. I, however, am correct in my observation that you’re an idiot.
July 14th, 2007 at 8:58 pmYou want us to bring our military home. That in any language equals surrender.
Comment by michael
You’re stupid enough when you’re asking questions mikey, better leave statements alone……
July 14th, 2007 at 9:02 pmYou want us to bring our military home. That in any language equals surrender.
Comment by michael the bark angel
Lol.
Surrendering is laying down your arms and handing your soldiers over to the victorious army, to be taken as POW’s, you halfwit.
It is NOT leaving the battlefield fully armed with your army’s intact
Buy a dictionary, dick.
July 14th, 2007 at 9:03 pmWikipedia.org
July 14th, 2007 at 9:04 pmStupid freaking republicans have been accusing 2/3rds of this country of wanting to surrender now for 4 years.
But what they are really saying, is that homeschooling doesn’t work, and they’re too inbred stupid to understand the meaning of a simple word like Surrender.
July 14th, 2007 at 9:06 pmas is the gesture of raising one’s hands empty and open above one’s head.
Comment by BARTLEBEE — July 14, 2007 @ 9:04 pm
The problem is that mikey is raising his head, empty and open, aboe his hands……
July 14th, 2007 at 9:06 pmSurrender= What a republican does with his Constitutional rights.
July 14th, 2007 at 9:06 pm“Surrender= What a republican does with his Constitutional rights.
Comment by BARTLEBEE — July 14, 2007″
What rights did I surrender?
July 14th, 2007 at 9:12 pm“Stupid freaking republicans have been accusing 2/3rds of this country of wanting to surrender now for 4 years.
Comment by BARTLEBEE — July 14, 2007″
Walking away from a war without winning it is surrender!
July 14th, 2007 at 9:13 pmmikey, what about the poll?
July 14th, 2007 at 9:14 pm“I, however, am correct in my observation that you’re an idiot.
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — July 14, 2007″
Oh, you are so smart republic. Just your choice of words demonstrates your incredible intelligence! Did you go to public school?
July 14th, 2007 at 9:16 pmClarification to #60 – mikey, I’m talking about the poll that is the subject of the thread, not the one you dance with…..
July 14th, 2007 at 9:16 pmDid you go to public school?
Comment by michael
1st in my class, D*ckwad. Got 98’s more than once on statewide finals.
July 14th, 2007 at 9:29 pmWalking away from a war without winning it is surrender!
Comment by michael
Of course, if that war can be won… so, Mikey, you will be enlisting soon, no? And don’t wear your mother’s best dress when you go in. Even if it’s in honor of TRudi, it… just doesn’t look good.
July 14th, 2007 at 9:33 pmWhat rights did I surrender?
Comment by michael jerkson— July 14, 2007 @ 9:12 pm
Go read the patriot act mook.
I’m not here to educate inbreds.
July 14th, 2007 at 10:11 pmYou can start by looking up habeas corpus.
Try googling “the Great Writ”, which it is also known as.
It was called that, because our entire democratic republic was based on it.
July 14th, 2007 at 10:14 pm(Sigh)
michael just can’t get it through his head that the number he constantkly throws out there to try to distract from the President’s dismal poll nmber is a fake.
I’ve corrected him several times already. He usually disappears rather than deal with the truth, and then resurfaces later with the same exact talking point.
The truth is not even that Congress typically has low approval marks (people generally like their own Congressman or Senator but thinks “Congress” is a bunch of crooks or grandstanders) and that comparing the approval of an entire body to that of a single individual is comparing apples to oranges; no, that’s not even the big deal here.
The big deal is that michael’s “14% approval” is actually from a Gallup poll a couple weeks ago, where 14% of the respondents said that they had “a great deal” or “quite a lot” of confidence in Congress.
That same week, the same polling organization reported a 24% approval rating for Congress as a whole.
So michael is lying, and apparently, he doesn’t care.
July 14th, 2007 at 10:15 pmFreakin mook.
July 14th, 2007 at 10:15 pmHe’s still trying to sell that 14 percent approval for congress crap?
What a putz.
I shot that one down last week for him and the goosestep gang, by posting a link to the Gallup poll where he thinks he saw that number.
Heads up nitwit. (thats you michele).
Congress has a 26 percent approval rating according to Gallup.
Learn to read a poll.
Mook.
July 14th, 2007 at 10:18 pmOf course, if that war can be won…
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — July 14, 2007 @ 9:33 pm
I hate to disagree with you RoS, but thats just not correct.
Withdrawing, is NOT surrendering.
Look the word up in the dictionary.
Surrender, as it pertains to war, means laying down your arms and turning your soldiers over as prisoners of war.
Withdrawing from an engagment is NOT surrender. Period.
Don’t add credence to their bullsh$t right wing talking point.
July 14th, 2007 at 10:27 pmSorry for the formatting error. TP is acting weird lately.
Anyway I’m sure you get my point.
Surrender is what the right wing wants to do with our hard won liberties.
Withdrawing from the battlefield, with our armies intact, fully armed and carrying our banner, is NOT surrender.
July 14th, 2007 at 10:29 pmThe right wing it seems has embraced purposeful deceit as their standard operational tactic, and they are brazen in their open and purposeful lying now.
Like Michelle, calling 26 percent 14 percent when she knows thats not correct, to labeling the wisdom to terminate a failed occupation “surrendering”, the right wing is left with nothing but lies.
Because the truth just hurts too much.
July 14th, 2007 at 10:36 pmIn WW1, there was a famous story, of a German ace, who had a british pilot, who’s guns had jammed, in his sights. If memory serves me correct, the german pilot was Oswald Boelke, the mentor to Manfred Von Richtofen, (the red baron), in his Albatross DII, and the Englishmen I don’t recall, although as best as I remember he was flying an old british FE2, “pusher”, and the observers Lewis gun had jammed, leaving the british plane at the mercy of the german ace.
As the story goes, the german banked off to one side of the little pusher plane, and the german turned to the observer and pilot, saluted, and then, after both the observer and pilot returned the benevolant salute, turned and flew off towards the german lines.
That one event has been played out over and over in movies and stories for 100 years as one of the most honorable examples of civilized combat.
But by our troll Michelles logic, that germans salute constituted a surrender.
:|
Go figure.
July 14th, 2007 at 10:50 pmThe Iraqi Prime Minister who we stood up told us today that they can take it from here.
Perhaps its time America tossed the Iraqi people a benevolant salute, and headed home.
July 14th, 2007 at 10:52 pmPerhaps its time America tossed the Iraqi people a benevolant salute, and headed home.
Comment by BARTLEBEE
Let’s bring them home in time for them to have a front row seat at the Impeachment hearings.
July 14th, 2007 at 10:57 pmBartles, the righties sure know how to market propaganda, with such cute monikers as “surrender monkeys”, etc.
July 14th, 2007 at 11:06 pmWe should feel real free to come up with our own.
like
Stay the death march.
We’ll stand down when the Iraqi oil is all gone.
Or just use their RUC.
After all, it is the right wing that wants to surrender our defining individual freedoms and rights, and our democratic way of life.
Surrendering is what they are doing, by handing over the rights and liberties that were won by great men at great cost.
Withdrawing our troops from a hopeless situation where the people just do not want us there, is merely using our heads.
July 14th, 2007 at 11:22 pmWe’ll stand down when the Iraqi oil is all gone.
Comment by RUCerious — July 14, 2007 @ 11:06 pm
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I’m cool with that, but the terrorists have to be gone as well.
July 14th, 2007 at 11:24 pmBut by our troll Michelles logic, that germans salute constituted a surrender.
:|
Go figure.
Comment by BARTLEBEE — July 14, 2007 @ 10:50 pm
Ugh! How could you humanize the enemy like that?
July 14th, 2007 at 11:25 pmOh look.
Theres a little surrender monkey now.
Speak of the devil.
July 14th, 2007 at 11:26 pmUgh! How could you humanize the enemy like that?
Comment by toasterhead — July 14, 2007 @ 11:25 pm
Well for one thing, the fact that they’re human, makes it a fairly easy thing to do…
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July 14th, 2007 at 11:27 pm24%…the Approval of the Dem Congress!
July 14th, 2007 at 11:30 pmOh, on another note, Texas is thriving thanks to tort reform.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/07/09/AR2007070901282.html
Influx of Doctors Overwhelms Texas Board
AUSTIN — An influx of doctors lured to Texas by new limits on malpractice lawsuits has overwhelmed the state board that screens candidates for medical licenses, creating a backlog that forces many applicants to wait months before they can start seeing patients.
July 14th, 2007 at 11:33 pmThats right. Thats because those of us who voted for them are showing disapproval, (like we do in here lamebrain) with them for not giving Bush the boot yet.
Now that thats cleared up, lets chat about Dick Cheney’s approval rating.
July 14th, 2007 at 11:34 pmUh … have you seen Congress’s approval numbers? Even President Carter did better. Instead of gloating about Bush’s nosedive, perhaps we should work on getting Congress to do better.
Nick Kasoff
The Thug Report
Comment by Nick Kasoff — July 14, 2007 @ 5:35 pm
Only a complete moron would think that the approval rating of the congress is not in direct relation to the obstructionist GOP and the veto happy sob in the WH. The people in the USA are calling bull crap on this entire war, the lies of the thugs in the crime family, and the inability to get the hell out of the clusterfuck that was created for the profits of the military industrial complex and oil companies. No more non-sense…it is all because of Dubya and the same rubbernecks who gave him free rein for the past six years. The GOP is so over for such a long time. They are a thing of the past.
July 14th, 2007 at 11:34 pmLast I heard, it was somewhere down around your IQ.
July 14th, 2007 at 11:35 pm24%…the Approval of the Dem Congress!
Comment by m12 — July 14, 2007 @ 11:30 pm
And a bottom feeding, brain dead, troglodyte like you would not factor in the small majority the Democratic Party has with the fact that the GOP congressmen have been rubbernecked accomplices to the crimes of the thugs in the crime family. Your plan of obstruction will not work in your favor…remember this…the 72% is not as dumb as the 28% base of the crime family. You my friend are a moron.
July 14th, 2007 at 11:38 pmI’m not sure what Cheney’s approval is, but Bush is back to the mid/high 30s on terrorism and the economy!
Got to suck for the 24%ers!
July 14th, 2007 at 11:38 pmComment by kasinca — July 14, 2007 @ 11:38 pm
Rofl! Blame the minority in both houses!
July 14th, 2007 at 11:39 pmI’m not sure what Cheney’s approval is, but Bush is back to the mid/high 30s on terrorism and the economy!
Got to suck for the 24%ers!
Comment by m12 — July 14, 2007 @ 11:38 pm
Not even FAUXNOIZ gives Dubya a rating that high on anything. You are a liar as well as a bottom dwelling, knuckle dragging, troglodyte, moron.
July 14th, 2007 at 11:40 pmRofl! Blame the minority in both houses!
Comment by m12 — July 14, 2007 @ 11:39 pm
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Yup. That’s the Lefty way! Blame someone else!!!
July 14th, 2007 at 11:41 pmNot even FAUXNOIZ gives Dubya a rating that high on anything. You are a liar as well as a bottom dwelling, knuckle dragging, troglodyte, moron.
Hey, his rating on several issues is 1.5x the Democrats!
Bush’s marks on his handling of the economy and domestic issues like health care, education and the environment, held steady, at 37 percent on the economy and 33 percent on domestic matters. Last month, Bush was at 37 percent approval for his stewardship of the economy, and 32 percent on domestic issues.
On handling of foreign policy, including terrorism, 38 percent approved, compared with 35 percent last month.
July 14th, 2007 at 11:42 pmIt requires a majority in both houses, crap for brains…look it up, it is in the books. You guys get dumber by the day..
July 14th, 2007 at 11:43 pmYup. That’s the Lefty way! Blame someone else!!!
Don’t tax me! Tax the evil rich guys! Make them help the so called ‘poor’!
July 14th, 2007 at 11:45 pmDon’t worry, BARTLEBEE, the Democrats need the war. It’s the only way they passed their minimum wage and the only way they can pass their other sh!t!
Now Ted Kennedy is trying to sneak his hate crimes for gays agenda into the defense bills!
July 14th, 2007 at 11:47 pmI’m not sure what Cheney’s approval
Comment by mary12 — July 14, 2007 @ 11:38 pm
Well let me give you a clue. Its two digits, and the first one starts with a 1.
July 14th, 2007 at 11:50 pmOh and by the way, Congress was at 26 percent last time I checked Gallup.
And Bush is still down in the 20’s.
But whats really funny, is you think 30 percent would be something to brag about.
:D
July 14th, 2007 at 11:51 pmWhy do people treat poll percentages as FACT when they are no more accurate than throwing a dart blindfolded at a grid with 100 squares?
Every American with an ounce of COMMON SENSE knows President Bush’s escalation in Iraq is a failure and was sure to fail, and they will know that even if a poll says 99.999% agree with Bush!
Do people think that loseless text file compression works by “magic”?
In an ASCII text file all the characters are normally represented by two bytes, but in a simple compressed ASCII text file the more common characters are represented by one byte, while the uncommon characters are represented by three bytes.
This simple text file compression works because letters such as A and E are more common in the English language than letters such as X and Z.
If you simple compress a file with lots of X and Z letters, you will end up with a file that is bigger than the original, and therefore the outcome can be completely wrong!
Do people think that random sampling works by “magic”?
Do people really think that a poll of 1,000 out out 300,000,000 can be accurate to within a few percentage points?
What about the other 299,999,000 people who were not sampled and could have answered the question opposite to the conclusion?
Does not the .0000033333 (1,000 / 300,000,000) level of certainty that this poll has reached the correct outcome, make it completely uncertain and therefore completely useless?
Random sampling factory defects DOES WORK when sampling much less than 80% of a population, because the defects come from the same breaking down machines and not from the other working order machines, which means the outcomes are occuring in a repeating pattern.
If you have 100 machines and your small sample size shows a 2% defect rate, you can be RESONABLY sure that your large population has a 2% defect also.
You reasonably assume that 2 machines out of a 100 are breaking down, and you do not unreasonably assume that all 100 machines are equally creating defects!
Just like file compression, random sampling only works for certain cares, namely where the outcomes are either random (the outcomes have an equal probabliity of occurring) or periodic (the outcomes occur in a repeating pattern).
Unlike random sampling factory defects, random sampling peoples opinions DOES NOT WORK when sampling much less than 80% of a population, because peoples opinions are unique and neither random nor periodic, and randomly picking the people is irrelevant and does changes this FACT.
If you are NOT sampling at least 80% of a population, your poll is UNCERTAIN and therefore is not FACT!
Polls WILL ONLY WORK, if people answer the poll questions based on coin flips or rolling dice results!
When will people learn that you never get something for nothing, and random sampling is no different.
Polls are psychological tools designed to INFLUENCE opinion and not MEASURE it!
This infuence is GOOD in this case by saying 68% disagree with Bush when the actual number is unknown.
This influence was BAD in the case before the war by saying 68% agree with Bush when the actual number was unknown.
I find it sad that the people have been “brain washed” to think that you can “magically” predict what 300,000,000 people think based on what 1000 people think!
July 14th, 2007 at 11:52 pmI can just see M12 bringing his mom his report card in grade school.
“Look Ma!
Straight D’s!”
July 14th, 2007 at 11:53 pmhttp://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/1110AP_Congress_AP_Poll.html
WASHINGTON — In the eyes of the public, Congress is doing even worse than the president.
Public satisfaction with the job lawmakers are doing has fallen 11 points since May, to 24 percent, according to an Associated Press-Ipsos poll. That’s lower than for President Bush, who hasn’t fared well lately, either.
Bush has been taking heat over the Iraq war, his decision to spare a former top vice presidential aide from going to prison and his desire for an overhaul of immigration laws that critics said would give a free pass to illegal immigrants. His job approval rating in the AP-Ipsos survey remained virtually unchanged at 33 percent.
July 14th, 2007 at 11:55 pmWhere are the 24%ers?
July 14th, 2007 at 11:55 pmOne more time for the perpetually braindead.
WE are the reason congresses approval rating is so low.
We don’t approve of the job congress is doing, because they haven’t done enough to get rid of you butt buddy bush.
Get it genius?
In other words, each time you post those numbers, you’re condemning lil Bush.
Which is fine by me mr doublewide.
July 14th, 2007 at 11:59 pmIn fact, its almost as funny as you spending the last dozen posts bragging about what you think is 30 percent for Bush, lol.
You must be one of them masochistic dudes or something, huh?
July 15th, 2007 at 12:00 amCherry pick much/
Poll – Dates – Approve – Dis – Duh – Dif
Newsweek 7/11-12/07 29 64 7 -35
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AP-Ipsos 7/9-11/07 33 65 * -32
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USA Today/Gallup 7/6-8/07 29 66 5 -37
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Newsweek 7/2-3/07 26 65 9 -39
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CBS 6/26-28/07 27 65 8 -38
July 15th, 2007 at 12:00 amWould any of the trolls care to comment on disapproval rates in the most recent polls I just posted?
July 15th, 2007 at 12:01 amOne other bit for the apologists…from the liberaltimes…..
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/15/business/yourmoney/15view.html?ex=1342152000&en=26407d2d93c122b8&ei=5090&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss
The C.B.O.’s most recent calculations of federal tax rates show a highly progressive system. (The numbers are based on 2004 data, but the tax code has not changed much since then.) The poorest fifth of the population, with average annual income of $15,400, pays only 4.5 percent of its income in federal taxes. The middle fifth, with income of $56,200, pays 13.9 percent. And the top fifth, with income of $207,200, pays 25.1 percent.
At the very top of the income distribution, the C.B.O. reports even higher tax rates. The richest 1 percent has average income of $1,259,700 and forks over 31.1 percent of its income to the federal government.
Looks like we need more tax cuts for the rich.
July 15th, 2007 at 12:02 amLike I said, “Look ma! All D’s!”
July 15th, 2007 at 12:02 amNewsweek 7/11
Comment by RUCerious — July 15, 2007 @ 12:00 am
7-11? I like that number. In fact, its probably where Bush is going to end up working after he gets out of prison.
July 15th, 2007 at 12:03 amWould any of the trolls care to comment on disapproval rates in the most recent polls I just posted?
I’m not sure why you think posting a 2 day old article is cherry picking, but please post the similar numbers for the Democratic Congress.
July 15th, 2007 at 12:04 amOne more time Mary12.
WE are the reason congresses approval rating is so low.
We don’t approve of the job congress is doing, because they haven’t done enough to get rid of you butt buddy bush.
Get it genius?
In other words, each time you post those numbers, you’re condemning lil Bush.
But you just don’t get it, do you?
At least until your dad gets home.
July 15th, 2007 at 12:05 amI think Bumblebee is having an aneurism over his failing heroes.
July 15th, 2007 at 12:06 amAnd don’t worry miss12.
I’ll be here all night, to make sure you don’t forget that fact.
Cause I know how forgetful you can be.
July 15th, 2007 at 12:06 amAfter all, mom was so heavy on the crackpipe during those first few months carrying you….. its a wonder you can type at all.
July 15th, 2007 at 12:07 amLooks like we need more tax cuts for the rich.
Comment by m12 — July 15, 2007 @ 12:02 am
We need to jack the rates for these assholes up to 90% over $750,000…to pay for the wars for their profits and the oil companies…it would stop the war really fast.
July 15th, 2007 at 12:09 amComment by m12 — July 15, 2007 @ 12:02 am
Why would they put words into the late philosopher John Rawls’ mouth?
Well, it is the NYT!!!
July 15th, 2007 at 12:10 amI just filled out my latest Zogby poll…Dubya got zeros in all counts.
July 15th, 2007 at 12:10 amKascinca better vote multiple times in the Zogby poll to bring Mr. Bush down to Reid/Pelosi levels!
Kind of like those deceased voting Democrat in 04….
July 15th, 2007 at 12:12 amWhy would they put words into the late philosopher John Rawls’ mouth?
Comment by Sister. President — July 15, 2007 @ 12:10 am
Well, thats better then what your dad put in your mouth, right?
July 15th, 2007 at 12:12 amMaybe if your god Clinton put his in your mouth, you might have accomplished something in your life!
July 15th, 2007 at 12:15 amWow. Thats funny stuff.
:|
Better let me do the jokes around here missy.
You guys just sorta got screwed on the funny gene.
July 15th, 2007 at 12:18 amBREAKING NEWS–Bill O’Lielly is now a surrender monkey. I read it on his talking points. He even jumped on Tony Snowjob about Iraq.
July 15th, 2007 at 12:18 amfrom wiki
cherry picking is used metaphorically to indicate the act of pointing at individual cases or data that seem to confirm a particular position, while ignoring a significant portion of related cases or data that may contradict that position.
If a two day old article references a poll that does not conform to the polls taken in the same time frame around it, I’d call that cherry picking.
July 15th, 2007 at 12:18 amApparently the only picking going on in the m12 world is nostril related.
Kind of like your mom got screwed on the chastity gene.
July 15th, 2007 at 12:19 amIt’s not necessary for you to do any jokes. You and your Democratic party are the jokes!
July 15th, 2007 at 12:19 amBartebee, I can see correcting a troll like He’s12 once, maybe twice, but when he insists on calling those of us who disapprove of the job Congress is doing, “24%ers” it’s pretty clear that he doesn’t get the concept and he’s not going to get it.
I don’t know if there’s a few circuits missing upstairs or if it’s a case of, as Upton Sinclair said, someone whose salary (or self-esteem) depends on his NOT getting it.
On another subject, I note that michael has disappeared. And what are the odds? Shortly afterwards, He’s12 reported for duty.
July 15th, 2007 at 12:20 amIt’s not necessary for you to do any jokes. You and your Democratic party are the jokes!
Comment by missinginaction12 — July 15, 2007 @ 12:19 am
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See?
I keep trying to tell you…
July 15th, 2007 at 12:20 amOn another subject, I note that michael has disappeared. And what are the odds? Shortly afterwards, He’s12 reported for duty.
Comment by spit take — July 15, 2007 @ 12:20 am
Hmmm. m12…. “michael”12 maybe?
Lol.
Who cares?
A rube by any other name…
July 15th, 2007 at 12:22 amexcuse me, m12… i have to ask…
July 15th, 2007 at 12:22 amare you actually advocating that the m/b/zillionaires should pay
the same percentage in tax as the joe-50k-worker?
do you understand percentages?
hell, do you understand citizenship? … civil responsibility?
no way you are part of that top income level, blogging here at TP…
another misguided greedy slacker… oh wait…
a trust funder, looking out for that dividend income…
hoorah…
“24%ers†it’s pretty clear that he doesn’t get the concept and he’s not going to get it.
Comment by spit take — July 15, 2007 @ 12:20 am
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That is exactly what you do for any and every troll, regardless of their opinion about Bush and/or Iraq, it’s always the same:
July 15th, 2007 at 12:27 amBoot-licking, brain dead, troglodyte, dumbass 28%er!!!
Gee. The little guy looks like he’s cryin.
:|
Hope it wasn’t something I said.
July 15th, 2007 at 12:29 amThat is exactly what you do for any and every troll, regardless of their opinion about Bush and/or Iraq, it’s always the same:
Boot-licking, brain dead, troglodyte, dumbass 28%er!!!
Comment by Mr. President — July 15, 2007 @ 12:27 am
Wrong, you a$$hole racist and troop-hater.
A “28%er” refers to someone who STILL SUPPORTS THE PRESIDENT. Get it?
If we are part of the group that DISAPPROVES of the job Congress is doing then we’re not “24%ers” because that number refers to those WHO SUPPORT CONGRESS. Get it?
Goddamn are you stupid, aside from being a cheap pr*ck willing to namejack a dead soldier to smear his comrade.
July 15th, 2007 at 12:34 amIf we are part of the group that DISAPPROVES of the job Congress is doing then we’re not “24%ers†because that number refers to those WHO SUPPORT CONGRESS. Get it?
Comment by spit take — July 15, 2007 @ 12:34 am
Ouch.
Thats gonna leave a mark.
July 15th, 2007 at 12:38 amSeems they got screwed on the math gene too.
July 15th, 2007 at 12:38 amI think they’re out buying new keyboards.
July 15th, 2007 at 12:39 amIt must really hurt these trollwipes that Bill O’Lielly is a SURRENDER MONKEY!
July 15th, 2007 at 12:43 ambartlebee?
July 15th, 2007 at 12:43 amComment by spit take — July 15, 2007 @ 12:34 am
heh.
hypocrite.
July 15th, 2007 at 12:46 ambartlebee?
Comment by katy — July 15, 2007 @ 12:43 am
Thats me.
July 15th, 2007 at 12:47 amBush’s surge is truly a failure. The surge is part of a failed policy. Bush has refused to change this policy. It is time for him to listen to the American people because he is accountable to us.
July 15th, 2007 at 12:48 amheh.
hypocrite.
Comment by Mr. President — July 15, 2007 @ 12:46 am
There there… he didn’t mean it.
Go have some ice cream and cheer up.
July 15th, 2007 at 12:49 am#137 Probus ~
July 15th, 2007 at 12:50 amThat’s what we think, not what he thinks.
After all, to the chymp the Constitution is just a ‘goddamn piece of paper’.
thank you, bartlebee…
that was a test… i wanted to be sure my comments were posting…
i have asked some guestions – none too difficult –
July 15th, 2007 at 12:51 amand have yet to get the answers …
imagine that…
Yea.
A goddamn peice of paper that he swore an oath to defend at all costs.
July 15th, 2007 at 12:51 ami have asked some guestions – none too difficult -
and have yet to get the answers …
imagine that…
Comment by katy — July 15, 2007 @ 12:51 am
Well, if you’re waiting for answers from these “road scholars”, don’t hold your breath.
They’re still out looking up the definition of the word rube.
July 15th, 2007 at 12:52 amComment by spit take — July 15, 2007 @ 12:34 am
heh.
hypocrite.
Comment by Mr. President — July 15, 2007 @ 12:46 am
Go Cheney yourself, brain-dead troll. Or maybe have your African-American persoality do it for you. Or your dead soldier personality. Pig.
July 15th, 2007 at 12:54 amHey Mary12 year old:
The drunk in the WH:
http://www.pollingreport.com/BushJob.htm
Congress Republicans:
http://www.pollingreport.com/cong_rep.htm
Congress Democrats:
http://www.pollingreport.com/cong_dem.htm
Now take your talking points back to where ever the hell you came from. You are a lying, bottom dwelling, knuckle dragging, troglodyte, moron.
July 15th, 2007 at 12:58 amnot to worry… won’t hold my breath…
won’t lose sleep over it either…
and that’s where i’m going…
July 15th, 2007 at 12:59 amg’nite…
Go Cheney yourself, brain-dead troll…
Comment by spit take — July 15, 2007 @ 12:54 am
Cheney you!!!
Mothercheneyer!!!
July 15th, 2007 at 1:11 amKascinca better vote multiple times in the Zogby poll to bring Mr. Bush down to Reid/Pelosi levels!
Kind of like those deceased voting Democrat in 04….
Comment by m12 — July 15, 2007 @ 12:12 am
Mary, the caging was being done by the GOP and you are being lied to. Your numbers are off by a bunch. See post 146 above.
Hey Mary12 year old:
The drunk in the WH:
http://www.pollingreport.com/BushJob.htm
Congress Republicans:
http://www.pollingreport.com/cong_rep.htm
Congress Democrats:
http://www.pollingreport.com/cong_dem.htm
Now take your talking points back to where ever the hell you came from. You are a lying, bottom dwelling, knuckle dragging, troglodyte, moron.
The lard assed, drug addled, gas bag on radio is lying to you again…or maybe it was FAUXNOIZ that gave you the wrong information. You guys are losers, dumbassed, bottom dwelling, knuckle dragging, troglodytes who are following the drunk over the cliff. The GOP is so over.
July 15th, 2007 at 1:15 amComment by kasinca — July 15, 2007 @ 1:15 am
Let’s here it for kasinca, can we. The Thuglicks may never get that boot out of there asses.
Hey Mrs. Presidick, and Mary 12. You’ve been impeached ya little hookers. Ha. Just like your pimps are about to be.
July 15th, 2007 at 1:21 amThe Surge is only 2 weeks old. Give it time.
July 15th, 2007 at 1:42 amWhile it pleases me that the polls say that more and more people in our country are waking up to what a majority of us progressives have known long ago, it hasn’t resulted in removing our troops from harm’s way out of the civil war in Iraq.
Progressives knew (BEFORE the current corrupt, crooked president lied to get Congress to approve his pre-2001 plan to invade and destroy Iraq in order to establish interminable global oil conglomerate presence in Iraq, backed up by U.S. military presence) what polls say the majority of American voters now know: IT IS TIME TO REMOVE OUR TROOPS FROM HARM’S WAY OUT OF THE CIVIL WAR IN IRAQ!
Since the current corrupt, crooked president has violated the Constitution to prevent the removal of our troops, IT IS TIME TO IMPEACH HIM AND HIS PRESIDENT-IN-CHARGE-OF-VICE, SiCKO DiCKO.
July 15th, 2007 at 1:43 amThe Surge is only 2 weeks old. Give it time.
Comment by The Captain — July 15, 2007 @ 1:42 am
You mean give it bodies, right?
Thats what you meant to say.
Give it more American corpses.
July 15th, 2007 at 11:09 amOn another subject, I note that michael has disappeared. And what are the odds? Shortly afterwards, He’s12 reported for duty.
Comment by spit take — July 15, 2007 @ 12:20 am
Hmmm. m12…. “michaelâ€12 maybe?
Lol.
Who cares?
A rube by any other name…
Comment by BARTLEBEE — July 15, 2007 @ 12:22 am
Yes but did the discussion immediately becomes taxation and M12’s weird ideas about his nickels and dimes. Damn is that dude a cheap ass . Must suck to only see value in currency. Poor fellow is missing so many of the finer things
July 15th, 2007 at 2:38 pmDemocratic Governor Granholm has a 66% negative rating
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19292649/
In the survey of 600 likely voters conducted June 10 through Wednesday, 66 percent gave the Democratic governor a negative job rating.
The new Democrats!
July 15th, 2007 at 10:29 pmm12,
I am sure the Wicked With of the West would also get very low numbers, even lower than Pres Bush’s, should a survey be conducted today.
But that would also be irrelevant and a distraction. Not to mention that taking solace at the fact that you were able to find someone in the world with equal or worse approval rating as your Dear (mis)Leader’s would be comical if it wasn’t so sad.
July 16th, 2007 at 1:01 amBush: the failurer guy?
July 16th, 2007 at 8:04 am64 percent isn’t a very large majority, folks. Honestly, I thought it would be higher than that, considering the pre-occupation with bad new coming from Iraq, while good news an success is ignored. And what does the American publlic know about war? It a bad thing. Yes, it is. However, the average American citizen is no military strategist, and honestly cannot make an educated statement concerning the Iraq war, nor any war, for that matter.
For most, they only know what the last talking head on the television news told them.
This poll, like most, is meaningless.
And all this ridiculous talk about impeachment over and over. Wasting good air, folks. Your “progressive” heroes Reid, Pelosi, et. al. have all said impeachment is off the table. There will be no impeachment.
July 16th, 2007 at 8:59 amProgressives knew, BEFORE the invasion of Iraq, what polls say the majority of American voters now know: IT IS TIME TO REMOVE OUR TROOPS FROM HARM’S WAY OUT OF THE CIVIL WAR IN IRAQ!
July 16th, 2007 at 5:48 pm