Rice Falsely Claims ‘Iraqi Military Is Fighting On Behalf Of All Iraqis’
Rice Falsely Claims ‘Iraqi Military Is Fighting On Behalf Of All Iraqis’
A hallmark of President Bush’s Iraq policy is “as the Iraqis stand up, we will stand down,” referring to the training of Iraqi security forces. But a progress report on Iraq earlier this week showed that “despite stepped-up training, the readiness of the Iraqi military to operate independently of U.S. forces has decreased” since the escalation began.
Nevertheless, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice appeared on NBC’s Today Show yesterday and attempted to deny these reports, giving false portrayals of progress in training the Iraqi security forces:
[I]f you look at the way that they are fighting now, in a less sectarian fashion…I think they’re fighting on behalf of all Iraqis, where they showed up in the numbers that they are supposed to.
Watch it:
In fact, sectarianism is as strong as ever in the security forces. Just last month, Lt. Gen. Martin Dempsey, in charge of transitioning the Iraqi forces, observed that the military is “riddled with sectarianism and corruption.” For example, Shiite militias allied with the Supreme Council for the Islamic Revolution in Iraq, have extensively infiltrated the National Police, units of which are perpetrating violence and forming death squads against Sunnis. Many ally with insurgents to kill U.S. soldiers.
Furthermore, at least one-third of the Iraqi Army is on leave at any one time. Desertion and other problems bring the total to over half in some units. Dempsey reported an annual attrition rate of 15 to 18 percent; in many cases, he said, Iraqi army commanders overreport attendance “so that he gets a payroll share more than he deserves and thereby pocket it.”
Ultimately, “the United States is arming different sides in multiple civil wars that could turn even more vicious in the coming years,” observes Center for American Progress fellows Brian Katulis and Lawrence Korb, who advocate a redeployment for U.S. troops and an end to the unconditional training of Iraqi security forces.
Transcript:
LAUER: Let me go back to these benchmarks, though, for a second, and let’s take a look at two key specifics.
The Iraqi military, according to this report, is nowhere near ready to stand up and take control of its own security situation. And the Iraqi unity government is nowhere near, it seems, able to forge the kinds of compromises that are required to end the violence.
Aren’t those two glaring problems?
RICE: Well, in terms of the Iraqi security forces, yes, they’re going to need support and particularly in terms of logistics, but they have made some progress.
And if you look at the way that they are fighting now, in a less sectarian fashion, where I think they’re fighting on behalf of all Iraqis, where they showed up in the numbers that they are supposed to, or where they’ve made adjustments to get more forces into the fight, those are all positive signs.
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chimpy/shooter/condi/powell/rumsfeld/snow…God…if I listed them all I would be on here all day.
Investigate, Indict, Impeach, Incarcerate
July 14th, 2007 at 1:33 pmCondi Rice appearing on CBS describing the situation in Iraq,and the expected unsatisfactory report as ‘work in progress’: “I don’t agree you would give it a ‘failing grade’. You would say it is work in progress”.
The word of the day is”Progress’…an elastic word that is hard to measure,and bear no accountablility.
July 14th, 2007 at 1:34 pmRice Rightly Claims ‘Iraqi Military Is Fighting On Behalf Of America!’
July 14th, 2007 at 1:35 pmCOOL!
Condi is the most effective Secretary of State to ever serve this nation.
Condoleeza Rice will go down in American history as a true patriot.
July 14th, 2007 at 1:36 pmQUESTIONS FOR CONDI
from Margie Burns
1. Dr. Rice, you were admitted to the University of Denver when you were still in high school, while your father was Assistant Director of Admissions at the university. Did you take the ACT or the SAT for admission, and did you meet all admissions requirements that the other incoming freshmen had to meet?
2. Dr. Rice, you have stated candidly in interviews that your first love was not political science but piano, and that you switched to Poli Sci halfway through college because it was a major you could finish in two years. When you were admitted to the rightwing graduate program in political science at Indiana, who paid your tuition there? When you returned to complete a doctorate in political science at U Denver, who paid your tuition there? When you were sent on an extensive trip to Eastern Europe, as a graduate student, how was the trip arranged and financed?
3. Dr. Rice, your biographies show that you were an intern at the Rand Corporation. Did Rand pick up any of the costs of your education? Was the internship a paid or unpaid? You subsequently became a board member at Rand; have you fully disclosed your financial support from Rand over the years?
4. How did the Hoover Institution at Stanford come to choose you as a Fellow, at $30,000 per year, back when full professors in political science made an average $34,000?
5. How was your transition from Hoover Fellow to tenure-track Stanford faculty arranged, and by whom? Did you continue to receive income from the Hoover Institute?
6. How was the publication of your dissertation as a book, by Princeton University Press, arranged?
7. Between the time of your start at Stanford and your promotion to tenure, did you publish any scholarly articles besides the dissertation?
8. When you served on the board of Chevron Oil, did you agree with company opposition to the sanctions against Saddam Hussein?
9. Do you currently receive any income or anything of material value from ChevronTexaco? Will you return to the Chevron board when you leave government?
10. Did you participate, directly or indirectly, in the oil policy decisions formulated in the early months of 2001 in the office of the Vice President? Were your colleagues at Chevron cognizant of plans for Iraq by the Vice President?
11. Thomas Stephenson, venture capitalist, donated $2 million to Stanford to provide an endowed chair for you. Have you received income from that interest while serving in government?
12. Have you ever disclosed or released publicly a full accounting of your financial interests, while in government?
13. Do you now receive or have you during your time in government received anything of material value from Rand, Chevron, other companies with which you have ties or companies connected to the Stephensons?
http://www.smirkingchimp.com/thread/1566
July 14th, 2007 at 1:37 pmAh, so, Condi “Token” Rice sticking to the script. That’s not news.
July 14th, 2007 at 1:38 pmCondoleeza Rice should be named the next President of Stanford, once she’s completed in Washington.
July 14th, 2007 at 1:38 pmCondie,
July 14th, 2007 at 1:38 pmHigh paid liar.
Comment by Arewethereyet? — July 14, 2007 @ 1:38 pm
Token?
July 14th, 2007 at 1:39 pmCondie’s a hottie, though.
July 14th, 2007 at 1:39 pmThe Iraqi military is fighting not against the sectarian factions but against us, the U.S. of A. and they’re SHOWING UP IN NUMBERS. And Condi Rice should show up at her trial for treason AND THE REST OF US, CITIZENS OF THE U.S. OF A, WILL SHOW UP IN NUMBERS.
July 14th, 2007 at 1:40 pmHow about Rice as next President of THE UNITED STATES, CT_V1?
July 14th, 2007 at 1:41 pmJeez, Lauer, what a whiner!
You set him straight Condi!!!!
July 14th, 2007 at 1:44 pmAh, so, Condi “Token†Rice sticking to the script. That’s not news.
Comment by Arewethereyet? — July 14, 2007 @ 1:38 pm
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This is racially offensive trash!!!
You trolls need to cut this hateful garbage out!!!!
I mean it!!!!!
July 14th, 2007 at 1:45 pm#14: I just love Condi. She really should be Ms. President!
July 14th, 2007 at 1:45 pmHow about Rice as next President of THE UNITED STATES, CT_V1?
Comment by Jake — July 14, 2007 @ 1:41 pm
Don’t send a woman to do a man’s job.
July 14th, 2007 at 1:46 pmI’d much rather have Condi as President than Hillary.
July 14th, 2007 at 1:47 pmI’d much rather have Condi as President than Hillary.
Comment by Jake — July 14, 2007 @ 1:47 pm
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True, true.
July 14th, 2007 at 1:48 pmBecause Mr. Pee and the other trolls that I suspect were behind the mocking of a dead serviceman yesterday are still posting disrupting the threads, I posted at the end of yesterdays last thread where the mocking took place the reasons I will no longer be postiing here any longer.
I hope you trolls are real proud of yourselves for mocking a dead serviceman who could not post a defense himself, you are the lowest scum of the earth.
Peace and good luck
goodbye to my friends here , for now
Mitak Oyasin
July 14th, 2007 at 1:49 pmThe Iraqi army is fighting for the occupying force. It’s the Iraqi freedom fighters (known here by all kinds of names from insurgents to terrorists to Al Qaeda inspired elements to Baathists…) who are fighting for all the Iraqis.
July 14th, 2007 at 1:50 pmWomen can’t even take care of their own bodies. That’s why we have to have Pro-Life anti-abortion laws. They certainly can’t handle leading the US in this terror-filled world.
July 14th, 2007 at 1:50 pmRice Rightly Claims ‘Iraqi Military Is Fighting On Behalf Of America!’
COOL!
Comment by Mr. President
Well, seeing as chickenhawks like you refuse to fight on behalf of the country…
July 14th, 2007 at 1:51 pmGee, it’s harder to keep an Iraqi in the military then GWB.
July 14th, 2007 at 1:51 pmComment by Jake — July 14, 2007 @ 1:41 pm
She has no interest to run for President, she want’s to return to Stanford. The Presidency there would be excellent for her since she was once their Provost, but I’m sure you already know that.
July 14th, 2007 at 1:51 pmCondoleeza Rice will go down in American history as a true patriot.
Comment by CT_V1
The only reply that comes to mind is:
July 14th, 2007 at 1:53 pmBWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!
Comment by Wayne — July 14, 2007 @ 1:49 pm
That’s speculation. “Trolls” don’t make up the majority of name-jackings on this site.
You should rule out CT_V1, Mr. President, Flaco, Future Troll, and Troll.
July 14th, 2007 at 1:54 pmComment by The Republic of Stupidity — July 14, 2007 @ 1:53 pm
Typical, coming from an unappreciative lefty.
July 14th, 2007 at 1:55 pmThe Presidency there would be excellent for her since she was once their Provost, but I’m sure you already know that.
Comment by CT_V1
Fortunately for Stanford, and unfortunately for you, the rest of the admin at Stanford are actually pretty smart, and would NEVER go for this. Since CONdi can skate so well, both literally and figuratively, i suggest roller derby.
July 14th, 2007 at 1:55 pmComment by The Republic of Stupidity — July 14, 2007 @ 1:51 pm
Lame lefty talking-point.
July 14th, 2007 at 1:56 pmTypical, coming from an unappreciative lefty.
Comment by CT_V1
Typical, coming from an unthinking, hypocritical Reichty
July 14th, 2007 at 1:56 pmCondoleeza Rice should be named the next President of Stanford, once she’s completed in Washington.
Comment by CT_V1
Let me correct your statement for you, Li’l CT.
Condoleeza Rice WILL NEVER be named the next President of Stanford, once she’s CONVICTED in Washington.
Comment by CT_V1
July 14th, 2007 at 1:58 pmComment by The Republic of Stupidity — July 14, 2007 @ 1:55 pm
Uhhh, she was once their PROVOST, or CHIEF ACADEMIC OFFICER, as well as being a long-time professor there. She’s admired and welcomed there, so your speculation is off the table.
July 14th, 2007 at 1:58 pmThe lies coming from Condi and her cronies become exhausting after all this time. It’s like having a 10 year old who does nothing but lie – it just kind of wears you down.
July 14th, 2007 at 1:59 pmIt’s clear that the game plan is to keep spewing the lies as the clock runs out on this ‘administration.’ Then they can all get cushy jobs in think tanks or sports organizations. But how they sleep at night or look at themselves in the mirrror is beyond me.
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — July 14, 2007 @ 1:58 pm
Another typical lefty talking point.
July 14th, 2007 at 1:59 pmUhhh, she was once their PROVOST, or CHIEF ACADEMIC OFFICER, as well as being a long-time professor there. She’s admired and welcomed there, so your speculation is off the table.
She has since been tainted with her involvement with the worst Presidency in the history of the U.S. Play with sh!t and you too will stink.
July 14th, 2007 at 2:00 pmComment by The Republic of Stupidity — July 14, 2007 @ 1:55 pm
So… you really do think that intelligent Americans share your beliefs.
Oh, boy, are you in for a surprise!!!
The W. years will go down in history as one of the most glorious in eras of US strength. With President Bush, the New American Century has begun, and it only gets better from here!!!!
Ms. Rice will have a wide range of lucrative employment opportunities coming her way when she retires from Washington!!!
July 14th, 2007 at 2:00 pmWell the Iraqi Police are sure fighting for Iraqis…against US troops.
http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2007/07/13/us-troops-vs-iraqi-police/
It’s time to get out.
July 14th, 2007 at 2:00 pmIt’s way past time to get out.
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — July 14, 2007 @ 1:56 pm
You’re on a roll with the baseless lefty assertions today. Keep it up, perhaps TP will send you a circle-jerking congratulatory email.
July 14th, 2007 at 2:01 pmjust another sock puppet moment
July 14th, 2007 at 2:02 pmIf I didn’t know any better, the Army, Lt. Gen. Dempsey was describing, I’d of thought he was talking about the South Vietnamese Army in the late ’60’s/early ’70’s. And we all know what happened to them!
July 14th, 2007 at 2:02 pmWe’ll never be able to train any semblance of a army in Iraq! So let’s call for a Cease-Fire ,and take our men/women out safely, then let the different religious factions kill each other off, at their expense!
I wonder if Gunga Din Bush is using the same playbook from then?
Much like Powell, she’d make a great President, but her association with Bush has eliminated any chance of that.
July 14th, 2007 at 2:03 pmThe W. years will go down in history as one of the most glorious in eras of US strength. With President Bush, the New American Century has begun, and it only gets better from here!!!!
Ms. Rice will have a wide range of lucrative employment opportunities coming her way when she retires from Washington!!!
Comment by Mr. President
Man, are you gonna have a hangover when the drugs wear off. meanwhile, decades from now, when your children’s childern’s children are STILL paying off the bills the Great Deciderer ran up…
Oh, that’s right, you’ll never have children… INFLATABLE WOMEN CAN’T GET PREGNANT!!!
July 14th, 2007 at 2:03 pmComment by Dave C — July 14, 2007 @ 2:00 pm
HA! Oh no, pal. Condi’s post-government employment opportunities will be A-OK.
Now, you can rest assured. More speculation, anyone?
July 14th, 2007 at 2:03 pmComment by Alejandro — July 14, 2007 @ 2:00 pm
Ah yes.
The objective “antiwar.com/blog”
There we will learn the Truth!!!
July 14th, 2007 at 2:03 pmDisgraceful, incompetent liar.
July 14th, 2007 at 2:04 pmThe Prophecy of Baghdad Bob:
http://hnn.us/blogs/entries/40782.html
Eerie, isn’t it?
July 14th, 2007 at 2:04 pmYou’re on a roll with the baseless lefty assertions today. Keep it up, perhaps TP will send you a circle-jerking congratulatory email.
Comment by CT_V1
At last, we learn what your one true area of expertise is – circle-jerking.
July 14th, 2007 at 2:04 pmWell, Rice is correct, although not in the way she thinks. The Iraqi military is comprised of members of various political and religious factions, all trying to get their share, and willing to kill others to get it. So in the strictest sense, yes, they are fighting on behalf of all Iraqis.
July 14th, 2007 at 2:04 pmCondoleeza Rice will go down in American history as a true patriot.
This comes from a guy who’s so ignorant he thinks Saudis aren’t Muslims. What a pinhead.
July 14th, 2007 at 2:04 pmNow, you can rest assured. More speculation, anyone?
Comment by CT_V1
Yes, she will prove to be extremely adept at making license plates and folding laundry!
July 14th, 2007 at 2:05 pmMore Wisdom from Condi Rice:
July 14th, 2007 at 2:07 pm“I know there were people who said, ‘Why don’t we get out of this now, take a peace with the South, but leave the South with slaves?’”
- Condi Rice, September 4, 2006.
Mr President dumps his girlfriends into the bathtub to check them for leaks?
July 14th, 2007 at 2:07 pmPost if you think she’s hot!
July 14th, 2007 at 2:09 pmHow about Rice as next President of THE UNITED STATES, CT_V1? — Jake
I don’t think America’s ready to elect a lesbian for President. Do you?
July 14th, 2007 at 2:09 pmMr President dumps his girlfriends into the bathtub to check them for leaks?
Comment by doro
Yes, although he hates to admit it. It kind of deflates his ego, so to speak…
July 14th, 2007 at 2:09 pmComment by The Republic of Stupidity — July 14, 2007 @ 2:09 pm
well yes all those tiny punctures…
July 14th, 2007 at 2:10 pmThis comes from a guy who’s so ignorant he thinks Saudis aren’t Muslims. What a pinhead.
Comment by Arthur C.
I know. A real jaw dropper, huh??? WTF does the idiot think the Saudis are, Repubs???
July 14th, 2007 at 2:10 pmIraq PM: Country Can Manage Without U.S.
http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2007/07/14/ap3914332.html
July 14th, 2007 at 2:10 pm
well yes all those tiny punctures…
Comment by doro
What??? Are you calling him “needle d*ck”??? Oh, you are. Okay, just wanted to be sure.
BWAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
July 14th, 2007 at 2:11 pmYeah, “they’re fighting for all iraqis”… when they’re not showing up with power drills and duct tape.
July 14th, 2007 at 2:11 pmWhy does this suprise anyone? They have been lying to cover up lies the whole time. At the end of the day, this administration had the real terrorists on the ropes and then got distracted in Iraq. This allowed the real terrorists to rebuild and re-establish themselves to the point where they are a viable threat again today. Then they will turn around and use that resurgance by al qaeda to justify another war, more of our money and more lost military lives. This is exactly what they wanted after they saw that Iraq was going to be a failure. This way they can ride out the rest the presidential term and keep us at war.
http://www.BeforeYouGoPostal.com/MainForum/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=41
July 14th, 2007 at 2:12 pmComment by The Republic of Stupidity — July 14, 2007 @ 2:11 pm
…hole in one!
July 14th, 2007 at 2:12 pmI don’t think America’s ready to elect a lesbian for President. Do you?
July 14th, 2007 at 2:13 pmAt least she knows how to keep it discreet, unlike Bill C.
Another typical lefty talking point.
Comment by CT_V1
I don’t do “talking points”. That’s Reichty business. I simply speak for myself.
July 14th, 2007 at 2:13 pm…hole in one!
Comment by doro
Thank you, thank you very much… you’re too kind. Jest callin’ like we see ‘em, huh?
July 14th, 2007 at 2:15 pmBill C. did keep it discreet, 63, if that point is important to you. 61, I agree, Osama has been the best buddy chimpy’s ever had.
July 14th, 2007 at 2:15 pmAt least she knows how to keep it discreet, unlike Bill C.
Bill Clinton’s a lesbian????
I thought I’d heard everyting, but that’s a new one to me.
July 14th, 2007 at 2:17 pmComment by The Republic of Stupidity — July 14, 2007 @ 2:15 pm
Seems to shut them up pretty effectively, too. They don’t like the taste of their own medicine!
July 14th, 2007 at 2:17 pmMr President dumps his girlfriends into the bathtub to check them for leaks?
Comment by doro
Yes, although he hates to admit it. It kind of deflates his ego, so to speak…
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — July 14, 2007 @ 2:09 pm
Good thing he’s such a windbag, I bet that helps
July 14th, 2007 at 2:17 pmAllah bless the Iraqi resistance!
July 14th, 2007 at 2:17 pmMay they kill more Americans!
unlike Bill C.
Comment by HotsForCondi
OMG, Bill C is a LESBIAN??? Is he the leader of one of those pistol-packin’ Lesbo gangs that Orally was all stirred up about last week?
July 14th, 2007 at 2:17 pmThat’s speculation. “Trolls†don’t make up the majority of name-jackings on this site.
You should rule out CT_V1, Mr. President, Flaco, Future Troll, and Troll.
Comment by CT_V1
LIAR, yes they do and you and Mr. President are two of the worst namejackers.
July 14th, 2007 at 2:17 pmAllah bless the Iraqi resistance!
May they kill more Americans!
Comment by UMAR LEE
An irrational, disconnected comment. Mr P is shifting personae. Sorry, but meaningless! NEXT!!
July 14th, 2007 at 2:19 pm#71: Unsubstantiated accusations. You liberals keep talking about how we trolls lack the ability to make a logical argument. Let’s see your evidence showing that the trolls are responsible for the majority of namejackings on this site.
July 14th, 2007 at 2:20 pmRepublic,
July 14th, 2007 at 2:20 pmI’m not Mr. President.Vist my blog
http://www.umarlee.com
Seems to shut them up pretty effectively, too. They don’t like the taste of their own medicine!
Comment by doro
No, they don’t. Notice how they disappeared right away. Now one of them is back as “Umar”, spouting incoherent gibberish.
July 14th, 2007 at 2:21 pmAbby also backs my comments.
July 14th, 2007 at 2:21 pmI am a White Muslim who’s sick of my brothers being oppresed!
July 14th, 2007 at 2:22 pmI love this site as you all stick up for us.
So please stop your attacks on me, we are on the same side!
Republic,
I’m not Mr. President.Vist my blog
http://www.umarlee.com
Comment by UMAR LEE
Ya know, pal, I could care less who you are, who you claim to be, who you fantasize you are, etc, etc, etc. Statements like the one you just posted are irrational as all get out, hateful, and intellectually dishonest.
July 14th, 2007 at 2:22 pmWhat about this report from AP this morning?
“Iraq PM: Country can manage without U.S.
BAGHDAD – Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki said Saturday that the Iraqi army and police are capable of keeping security in the country when American troops leave “any time they want,” though he acknowledged the forces need further weapons and training.”
In a democratic America, in a normal world, this would make it politically impossible to continue the occupation, but Bush won’t leave, even if Iraqis beg us to. He’ll whip Maliki into compliance, and we’ll soon hear from the WH that: “What the PM really meant was……”
July 14th, 2007 at 2:23 pmYou Leftists cheer when brave warriors like me die!
July 14th, 2007 at 2:23 pmYou’re all a bunch of traitors!
OMG, Bill C is a LESBIAN??? Is he the leader of one of those pistol-packin’ Lesbo gangs that Orally was all stirred up about last week?
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity
Either way he likes ladies, and the ladies like him. Makes the repukes crazy.
July 14th, 2007 at 2:23 pmLet’s see your evidence showing that the trolls are responsible for the majority of namejackings on this site.
Comment by Future troll
Off-topic, and undebatable. NO one here ares what you think. I just love playing Whack-A-Troll, that’s all.
July 14th, 2007 at 2:24 pmStatements like the one you just posted are irrational as all get out, hateful, and intellectually dishonest.
I don’t know if you get it, but arrogance like that just invites more trolls to this site. The more you try to suppress or dismiss us out of hand, the more trolls you get.
You people are your own worst enemy.
July 14th, 2007 at 2:24 pmThe Republic of Stupidity ,
July 14th, 2007 at 2:25 pmWhat did I say that was irrational.
Abby also posted what I think and yet none of you attacked here!
Are you anti-Muslim?
Unsubstantiated accusations. You liberals keep talking about how we trolls lack the ability to make a logical argument. Let’s see your evidence showing that the trolls are responsible for the majority of namejackings on this site.
Comment by Future troll
So this is just another persona of Mr. P or CT. So stupid they keep outing themselves.
July 14th, 2007 at 2:25 pmOff-topic, and undebatable.
Ok. So it really was unsubstantiated. Thanks.
July 14th, 2007 at 2:25 pm#80: I’m not Mr. President, but I respect him as a fellow troll. It’s kind of telling that you keep making him into one, single scapegoat to pour all your hatred of trolls on.
July 14th, 2007 at 2:26 pmOk. So it really was unsubstantiated. Thanks.
Comment by Future troll
Riiiight… just like rumors of your intelligence… truly unsubstantiated.
July 14th, 2007 at 2:27 pmWhay do you guys don’t attack Abby for these comments?
“The Iraqi army is fighting for the occupying force. It’s the Iraqi freedom fighters (known here by all kinds of names from insurgents to terrorists to Al Qaeda inspired elements to Baathists…) who are fighting for all the Iraqis.”
I stated the same opinion.
July 14th, 2007 at 2:27 pmHmmmm, must have been a shift change at troll central
July 14th, 2007 at 2:28 pmRepublic,
July 14th, 2007 at 2:29 pmWe are on the same side, why argue with each other?
No, they don’t. Notice how they disappeared right away. Now one of them is back as “Umarâ€, spouting incoherent gibberish.
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — July 14, 2007 @ 2:21 pm
Maybe we should keep this up, so a serious on topic discussion can start after a while, when they’ve been chased off.
Speaking of on topic: The current administration can spin it any old way they like it, they are increasingly irrelevant. Maybe Ms Rice will one day claim, she tried to talk sense to this President, like Colin Powell claimed latey. Well, she is complicit as well as he was. And I’ll never forget the story about the shoe purchase, when New Orleans was drowning, a telling sign of her character.
July 14th, 2007 at 2:29 pm“News of WH “officials†lying is not really news anymore. It seems to be the game plan since day one.
Comment by Pat — July 14, 2007″
You got proof of that?
July 14th, 2007 at 2:30 pmThe Troll Consortium regrets to inform you that we are unable to post the press release of our latest board meeting. TP keeps deleting the post. If you wish to receive the press release, please contact our Office of Public Relations at trollconsortium@gmail.com. The Troll Consortium apologizes for the inconvenience.
July 14th, 2007 at 2:31 pmMake that: thetrollconsortium@gmail.com
July 14th, 2007 at 2:31 pmWhen George Bush said in 2000 he was against “nation-building,” he WAS NOT lying.
Nation-destroying, that’s his specialty. See?
July 14th, 2007 at 2:32 pmYou got proof of that?
Comment by michael — July 14, 2007 @ 2:30 pm
Proof of what mikey? That the White House lying isn’t really news anymore?
July 14th, 2007 at 2:33 pm#88
can’t even get their email right? I’m soo afraid.
July 14th, 2007 at 2:34 pmanyway … ABOUT CONDI’S BULLSHIT… it’s everywhere…
have i missed a thread about dumby’s denial and refusal of the
latest report stating alqaida is back and better than ever?
…”there is a perception [in the media] … [about alqaida]
…it’s simply not the case.”
w o w … he just discounted his own intelligence sources…
July 14th, 2007 at 2:35 pmjust says it ain’t so… brazen disregard of the facts…
…
“Condie,
High paid liar.
Comment by kdoug — July 14, 2007″
What lies are you referring to?
July 14th, 2007 at 2:35 pm“Proof of what mikey? That the White House lying isn’t really news anymore?
Comment by Quadrajet — July 14, 2007″
Of WH lying? PROOF?
July 14th, 2007 at 2:37 pmComment by katy — July 14, 2007 @ 2:35 pm
Hi Katy,
he did it before, remember “AlQaeda determined to strike in the US”?
Last time it was criminal neglect, next time it will be on purpose.
July 14th, 2007 at 2:37 pmcan’t even get their email right? I’m soo afraid.
We don’t want you to be afraid. We are looking forward to a peaceful co-existence, not confrontation, between the regular users and trolls. One of our initiatives is the implementation of registration system on TP. An excerpt from our press release:
July 14th, 2007 at 2:37 pm
I don’t know if you get it, but arrogance like that just invites more trolls to this site. The more you try to suppress or dismiss us out of hand, the more trolls you get.
You people are your own worst enemy.
Comment by Future troll
You mean the few of you there are post more and go crazier. Namejack all you want, we know there are only a few of you that are masochistic enough to keep coming back to hear how stupid you are.
July 14th, 2007 at 2:40 pm#96 go ahead, but I won’t mail you. I wouldn’t like to have you trolls all over my private emails, you know.
July 14th, 2007 at 2:40 pmOf WH lying? PROOF?
Comment by michael — July 14, 2007 @ 2:37 pm
Let me check with TP to see if they have enough server space for that one mikey. Do you have a preference as to time period or subject, maybe we can narrow it down…..
July 14th, 2007 at 2:41 pm#98: Ok. I can see that you’ve been overcome by irrational hatred for trolls and there is no point in continuing this discussion.
July 14th, 2007 at 2:41 pmI’m not Mr. President, but I respect him as a fellow troll. It’s kind of telling that you keep making him into one, single scapegoat to pour all your hatred of trolls on.
Comment by Future troll
This one who “respects” Mr. P is CT. Thanks for clearing that up CT, asshat.
July 14th, 2007 at 2:42 pmOk. So it really was unsubstantiated. Thanks.
Comment by Future troll
Riiiight… just like rumors of your intelligence… truly unsubstantiated.
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity
Since his ignorance has been verified and is confirmed 100% the rumors of his intelligence are what, denied?
July 14th, 2007 at 2:44 pm#100: Our loathing of you trolls is perfectly rational.
What’s irrational if your compulsion to come here merely to shit on the podium.
July 14th, 2007 at 2:44 pmIs conviction of perjury proof of lying?
July 14th, 2007 at 2:44 pmWell, she is complicit as well as he was. And I’ll never forget the story about the shoe purchase, when New Orleans was drowning, a telling sign of her character.
Comment by doro
She was irrelevant before it was even fashionable. The shoe shopping during the crisis just proves she’s not as bright as she’d have us believe.
July 14th, 2007 at 2:46 pmConvincing dupes like CT, Pee, Joker, et al that a ‘name change’ is a ’shift change’ is how rove avoids paying overtime.
July 14th, 2007 at 2:47 pmI’m not Mr. President,
Prove it.
I respect him as a fellow troll…
That’s yer option, Goober. I don’t know how you can respect political arguments by a person who is so ignorant that he thought Saudi Arabia is not an Islamic nation. I guess he thought they were Catholics.
July 14th, 2007 at 2:48 pm“Let me check with TP to see if they have enough server space for that one mikey. Do you have a preference as to time period or subject, maybe we can narrow it down…..
Comment by Quadrajet — July 14, 2007″
Just one would be sufficient? Obviously you aren’t capable of producing one, with PROOF!
July 14th, 2007 at 2:48 pmWhat lies are you referring to?
Comment by michael
Nobody is talking to you. I guess you didn’t notice, idiot.
July 14th, 2007 at 2:48 pmCondi Rice’s grotesque distortion of reality qualifies her to try her hand at a graphic novel. Only obsolete Republicans think she makes the grade as a serious secretary of state.
July 14th, 2007 at 2:49 pmOk. I can see that you’ve been overcome by irrational hatred for trolls and there is no point in continuing this discussion.
Comment by The Troll Consortium
The hatred is clearly rational and justified. Too bad you are too insane to see it.
July 14th, 2007 at 2:51 pm“we know there are only a few of you that are masochistic enough to keep coming back to hear how stupid you are.
Comment by shane — July 14, 2007″
Can you give us an example?
July 14th, 2007 at 2:52 pmConvincing dupes like CT, Pee, Joker, et al that a ‘name change’ is a ’shift change’ is how rove avoids paying overtime.
Comment by Quadrajet
I think they’re like McCains campaign guy, they pay to meet Rove’s needs.
July 14th, 2007 at 2:52 pm“I also want to speak tonight directly to Muslims throughout the world. We respect your faith. It’s practised freely by many millions of Americans and by millions more in countries that America counts as friends. Its teachings are good and peaceful, and those who commit evil in the name of Allah blaspheme the name of Allah.”
- George W. Bush
http://www.putlearningfirst.com/language/20rhet/bush.html
July 14th, 2007 at 2:53 pmJust one would be sufficient? Obviously you aren’t capable of producing one, with PROOF!
Comment by michael
Scooter Libby, guilty of perjury. Now STFU we don’t need to prove anything to you.
July 14th, 2007 at 2:53 pm“Nobody is talking to you. I guess you didn’t notice, idiot.
Comment by shane — July 14, 2007″
Nobody CAN talk to me without getting themselves in trouble!
July 14th, 2007 at 2:53 pmCan you give us an example?
Comment by michael
I can but I’m not here to do your bidding.
July 14th, 2007 at 2:54 pm“I can
Comment by shane — July 14, 2007″
No you can’t!
July 14th, 2007 at 2:56 pmNo you can’t!
Comment by michael
Yeah, whatever.
July 14th, 2007 at 2:57 pmObviously you aren’t capable of producing one, with PROOF!
Comment by michael — July 14, 2007 @ 2:48 pm
For goodness sake mikey, give me a minute – I mean you just responded that any lie will do, so I thought I’d put together a selection for you. Just one more question before I start sifting through this mountain of material (and we know you don’t mind questions since all of your reponses are in that form) – are we talking about any White House official or are you looking from something specifically from bush?
July 14th, 2007 at 2:59 pmOf WH lying? PROOF?
Comment by michael — July 14, 2007 @ 2:37 pm
Michael, the libs are going to give you a list of outrageous claims that they insist are 100% factual. I too would like to see proof to back up some of the anti-American claims here, but let’s be honest, that ain’t going to happen!
July 14th, 2007 at 3:04 pmIn her public testimony before the 9-11 commission, Dr. Rice stated: “I do not remember any reports to us, a kind of strategic warning, that planes might be used as weapons.â€
After the attacks, Ari Fleischer stated that the President had no warnings of an attack and President Bush explained
“[n]ever [in] anybody’s thought processes . . . did we ever think that the evil doers would fly not one but four commercial aircraft into precious US targets . . . never.â€
In May 2002, Condoleezza Rice claimed, “I don’t think anybody could have predicted that they would try to use an airplane as a missile, a hijacked airplane as a missile.†(05.16.02)
Dr. Rice: “[W]e received no intelligence that terrorists were preparing to attack the homeland using airplanes as missiles, though some analysts speculated that terrorists might hijack airplanes to try to free U.S.-held terrorists.†(03.22.04)
President Bush: “Had I known that the enemy was going to use airplanes to strike America, to attack us. I would have used very resource, every asset, every power of this government to protect the American people.†(03.25.04)
Surprisingly, Bush reiterated this comment at an April 13 press conference. “[T]here was nobody in our government, at least, and I don’t think the prior government that could envision flying airplanes into buildings.â€
It was all lies.
Condoleezza Rice was the top National Security official with President Bush at the July 2001 G-8 summit in Genoa. There, “U.S. officials were warned that Islamic terrorists might attempt to crash an airliner” into the summit, prompting officials to “close the airspace over Genoa and station antiaircraft guns at the city’s airport.”
Bush received an August 6, 2001 memo entitled “Bin Laden Determined to Strike in U.S.†which mentioned bin Laden’s desire and capability to strike the US possibly using hijacked airplanes. The CIA warned that bin Laden will launch an attack against the US and/or Israel in the coming weeks that “will be spectacular and designed to inflict mass casualties against US facilities or interests.â€
July 14th, 2007 at 3:05 pmOff topic:
While in the US just a few days ago, I saw this radio show where a guy, Thompson or something was being encouraged by the radio host to take a miltary intervention stance against Iran and the crowd was cheering!!! They have been wrong since the beginning and they celebrate their own failures!!! Hahaha, what a bunch of f*cked people. This Thompson was careful to not say yes, we need to bomb Iran, but it was obvious that he was looking for a way to please all those frustrated ass wipes out there. What a shame.
July 14th, 2007 at 3:06 pmMr PrezNut and CvnT_V1 are thread crapping and are causing annoyance to otherwise meaningful discussions. I think TP should do something about them. I don’t have a problem if they argue on issues than just trolling. Out of every 100 messages, 50 of them are posted by these paid stooges of Rove. Obviously their intent is to discourage blogging and discussions. Please TP please block their IP’s or something.
July 14th, 2007 at 3:06 pmMikey, I’m waiting and have other things to do this afternoon. Can I just submit transcripts of Powell’s presentation to the UN? Or Gonzo’s testimony before congress, on any subject?
July 14th, 2007 at 3:11 pmwho could forget THAT one, doro…
i found the exact quote:
WASHINGTON (Reuters) – U.S. President George W. Bush denied on Thursday that al Qaeda is as strong today as it was before the Sept. 11 attacks.
Bush spoke to reporters after media reports, citing a new intelligence report, that the militant network is now as great a threat to U.S. soil as in the months before the suicide hijack-plane attacks in 2001.
“There is a perception in the coverage that al Qaeda may be as strong today as they were prior to Sept. 11. That’s just simply not the case,” Bush told a news conference.
July 14th, 2007 at 3:12 pmhttp://in.today.reuters.com/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=worldNews&storyID=2007-07-12T221236Z_01_NOOTR_RTRMDNC_0_India-284460-1.xml
Here is my sober, reasoned response to Rice’s statement:
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
July 14th, 2007 at 3:13 pmIn her public testimony before the 9-11 commission, Dr. Rice stated: “I do not remember any reports to us, a kind of strategic warning, that planes might be used as weapons.â€
FACT CHECK:
 Bush received an August 6, 2001 memo entitled “Bin Laden Determined to Strike in U.S.†which mentioned bin Laden’s desire and capability to strike the US possibly using hijacked airplanes. The CIA warned that bin Laden will launch an attack against the US and/or Israel in the coming weeks that “will be spectacular and designed to inflict mass casualties against US facilities or interests.â€Â
Condi lied.
July 14th, 2007 at 3:15 pmComment by shane — July 14, 2007 @ 2:17 pm
NOPE. The “trolls” are absolutely not the majority of name-jackers on this site, and yesterday’s trash had nothing to do with us “trolls.” Take that to the bank, drama queen. You’re just exploiting an issue that likely originates from your own side.
Continue to offer speculation, or offer PROOF. Otherwise, your case is fully dismissed and dismissal is upheld on appeal.
July 14th, 2007 at 3:47 pmComment by Arthur C. — July 14, 2007 @ 3:15 pm
I wonder what is worse, their continued lying or some people’s willing believing
July 14th, 2007 at 3:48 pmWhy do Trolls exist? What do Trolls think they are doing? Why don’t they just get a good sniff of H-C-N and shut up?
Questions, questions.
Meanwhile: The Prophetic Baghdad Bob
July 14th, 2007 at 3:49 pmWhy is impeachment necessary? Head over to crooksnadliars.com and see the Moyers roundtable post. It says it all.
July 14th, 2007 at 3:50 pmcrooksandliars.com, sorry typo
July 14th, 2007 at 3:50 pmThe hatred is clearly rational and justified. Too bad you are too insane to see it.
Comment by shane — July 14, 2007 @ 2:51 pm
Ahem.
You’re fully debunked and you have 0% credibility, grape nuts. You’re not even a good bully.
July 14th, 2007 at 3:52 pmIn the meantime, there are more oblique invitations from the Iraqi government for the US to leave their country:
Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki said Saturday that the Iraqi army and police are capable of keeping security in the country when American troops leave “any time they want,” though he acknowledged the forces need further weapons and training.
[...]
But one of his top aides, Hassan al-Suneid, rankled at the assessment, saying the U.S. was treating Iraq like “an experiment in an American laboratory.” He sharply criticised the U.S. military, saying it was committing human rights violations, embarassing the Iraqi government with its tactics and cooperating with “gangs of killers” in its campaign against al-Qaida in Iraq.
Iraq PM: Country Can Manage Without U.S.
Of course, the Bush administration and their loyalists don’t know a polite invitation to leave when they see one.
July 14th, 2007 at 4:23 pmIt all depends on your perspective. All you have to do is add the phrase “against American troops†on the end. Well, at least the Iraqi Police anyway. The troops will probably soon follow. This is what happens to unwelcome occupiers.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19744953/
July 14th, 2007 at 4:40 pmRemember when this woman was considered Presidential material for the GOP? Well, her lies and exaggerations have caught up with her. I doubt she’ll hang on much longer. She’s already said she wants to write a book about her role in the Bush White House. No doubt it will contain more fabrications to obstruct the truth coming out. It won’t be about how she enabled the child- king’s foreign policy debacle.
July 14th, 2007 at 4:40 pm“Remember when this woman was considered Presidential material for the GOP?”
Looks like the SS Condolezza ran aground in Iraq…
July 14th, 2007 at 4:50 pmI too would like to see proof to back up some of the anti-American claims here, but let’s be honest, that ain’t going to happen!
Comment by Mr. President
How… how… “typical” to decide that YOU speak for America. Why? becasue you defend the Great Deciderer how matter how incompetent the fraud turns out to be? But if defending Bush because he’s, **snicker… snicker**, the “President” makes you an Uber-Patriotâ„¢, then when you slam Clinton, who was a far better president, you’re a traitor… damn, that must be confusing for someone like you, w/ your clearly limited mental capacities. Oh well, back to sniffin’ da glue you go!
Hey, how do you like that… NO obscenities were used in the torching of this troll!
July 14th, 2007 at 5:22 pmLooks like the SS Condolezza ran aground in Iraq…
Comment by barfly
Indeed, a ship of the desert… aground on the sands of reality… oops!! Time to go shopping for some new shoes! If you can’t do your job, you at least can make sure your feet look good!
July 14th, 2007 at 5:24 pmhttp://www.pbs.org/ moyers/ journal/ video_popups/ pop_vid_impeachment1-1.html
discussion on Impeachment. Bruce Fein and John Nichols. Fein is from AEI and Supports Impeachment, as does the Nations Nichols.
The time has come for Impeachment
July 14th, 2007 at 6:46 pmWho does she think she’s trying to fool?
Oh, right, the 26 percenters who listen only to Fixed Noise…er, Faux News. The 26 percenters who get their daily diet of misinformation and disinformation from the official news arm of the Republican Party…and Rupert Murdoch.
July 14th, 2007 at 6:59 pm1. News of WH “officials†lying is not really news anymore… Pat
86. to Pat: You got proof of that? — michael @ 2:30 pm
93. What lies are you referring to? — michael @ 2:35 pm
94. Of WH lying? PROOF? — michael @ 2:37 pm
108. Obviously you aren’t capable of producing one, with PROOF! — michael @ 2:48 pm
112. Can you give us an example? — michael @ 2:52 pm
116. Nobody CAN talk to me without getting themselves in trouble! — michael @ 2:53 pm
118. No you can’t! — michael @ 2:56 pm
120. Obviously you aren’t capable of producing one, with PROOF! — michael @ 2:48 pm
122. In her public testimony before the 9-11 commission, Dr. Rice stated: “I do not remember any reports to us, a kind of strategic warning, that planes might be used as weapons.†[...] Condoleezza Rice was the top National Security official with President Bush at the July 2001 G-8 summit in Genoa. There, “U.S. officials were warned that Islamic terrorists might attempt to crash an airliner†into the summit, prompting officials to “close the airspace over Genoa and station antiaircraft guns at the city’s airport.†[...] Bush received an August 6, 2001 memo entitled “Bin Laden Determined to Strike in U.S.†which mentioned bin Laden’s desire and capability to strike the US possibly using hijacked airplanes. The CIA warned that bin Laden will launch an attack against the US and/or Israel in the coming weeks that “will be spectacular and designed to inflict mass casualties against US facilities or interests.â€
Comment by Arthur C. @ 3:05 pm
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Funny, isn’t it, how the ugliest, most bullying trolls are the first to wet their panties and run away as soon as those ugly things called “facts” come up.
July 14th, 2007 at 7:13 pmFunny, isn’t it, how the ugliest, most bullying trolls are the first to wet their panties and run away as soon as those ugly things called “facts†come up.
Comment by Arthur C.
Facts??? We don’t need no stinkin’ facts…
July 14th, 2007 at 7:51 pmI skipped right over this story. Rice should be in pinstripes, but not too narrow if you know what I mean
July 14th, 2007 at 11:43 pmNo matter how much Rice tries to spin this, this is a civil war between the Shiias and the Sunnis with our troops caught in the middle of it. Bush and Rice owe it to the American people to tell the truth. It is a mistake for us to give weapons and funds to Sunnis insurgents when there is no way of knowing if they are aligned with al Qaeda in Iraq or not. This creates an unsafe environment for our troops. Rice has lost all credibility.
She has done a poor job as our top diplomat. As our troops are dying she is more interested in golf. Where are her priorities? Other countries don’t take her seriously because she was so wrong on Saddam’s WMDs. She talked of mobile labs that weren’t there. She talked about a mushroom cloud that could be the smoking gun. She was wrong. She drew a connection with Iraq and 9-11 that didn’t exist.
July 15th, 2007 at 12:45 amWhew, for a minute there I thought Gus was advocating Rice playing catcher for the Yankees. God knows they need one, but Her?
July 15th, 2007 at 1:38 amLook, whatever it is that Dick and Bush are on, Rice too it too. Big surprise that she seems to be living in the same fantasyland.
July 15th, 2007 at 2:52 ambuck toothed ignoramus
July 15th, 2007 at 7:28 am