On Heels Of Senate’s Iran Vote, Brownback Declared I’m Ready To Strike Iran
On Heels Of Senate’s Iran Vote, Brownback Declared I’m Ready To Strike Iran
On Wednesday, the Senate voted 97-0 to pass a resolution sponsored by Sen. Joe Lieberman (I-CT) to censure Iran “for what it said was complicity in the killing of U.S. soldiers in Iraq.” The resolution required the Bush administration to regularly report to Congress on Iran’s role in Iraq.
While the resolution explicitly rejected authorization for immediate military action, the gist of the resolution declared Iran is participating in acts of war against the United States, thereby laying the foundation for a confrontation with Iran. Newshoggers wrote that the resolution may provide the “political cover for launching a war.”
Validating the concern many felt, Sen. Sam Brownback appeared on Fox News shortly after the vote and declared he was ready to preemptively strike Iran. Host Sean Hannity asked Brownback, “There’s probably going to come a point for the next president that they’re going to have to determine whether to go out and have that preemptive strike. And you’re ready and would be ready to do that?”
“Yes, I am, and I think we have to be,” Brownback answered. “Sean, if we’re going to be serious about this fight, and we’re in this fight, and probably for a generation. We’re probably in this fight for a generation.” Watch it:
When the Congress vote to authorize force against Iraq in 2002, it cited as justification the fact that Congress had passed a law in 1998 sponsored by Sen. Trent Lott (R-MS) and co-sponsored by Lieberman that concluded Iraq posed a serious threat. From the 2002 resolution:
Whereas in Public Law 105-235 (August 14, 1998), Congress concluded that Iraq’s continuing weapons of mass destruction programs threatened vital United States interests and international peace and security, declared Iraq to be in ‘material and unacceptable breach of its international obligations’ and urged the President ‘to take appropriate action, in accordance with the Constitution and relevant laws of the United States, to bring Iraq into compliance with its international obligations’
UPDATE: Hullabaloo has more.
UPDATE II: The LA Times reports the greatest number of foreign militants come from Saudi Arabia.
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Good!!!!!!
July 15th, 2007 at 6:48 pm97-0???
July 15th, 2007 at 6:49 pmWTF?
Holy Joe(I-Israel) got just what he wanted, the preface to the bombing of Israel’s phantom menace.
Using BrownAss and Mr Hinkey’s logic, we should be nuking Saudi Arabia right about…NOW.
July 15th, 2007 at 6:51 pmStart digging a hole to hid in, Mamood Ajihademajad…
The USA is comin’ to kill your ass!!!
July 15th, 2007 at 6:51 pm“Plan B” for Iraq, Iran, and Pakistan is Nukes.
July 15th, 2007 at 6:51 pm“Brownback Declared I’m Ready To Strike Iran”
So where’s his uniform ?
July 15th, 2007 at 6:53 pm.
Mr. Pee, slanderer of a dead soldier, can now wank with even more fervor.
July 15th, 2007 at 6:56 pmGermany made what could be called preemptive strikes back in the 1930s. They trumped up ‘charges’ against Austria, Belgium, France, Poland, Russia, France. Guess they did alright for a while. Not a perfect comparison, but there are some glaring similarities. How many will need to die because of Bush Cheeney and the other neocon chickenhawks who really don’t know about having things blow up near you and having invisible hot metal coming at you fast. Kind of scary these sick ignorant men pretending that they are tough guys. Its easy for them when others do the real dirty work.
July 15th, 2007 at 6:56 pmBrownnose and inshannity…two humans of absolutely no importance whatsoever.
July 15th, 2007 at 6:57 pmYou know these Christian and Jewish American politicians lay in bed dreaming about genocide.
July 15th, 2007 at 6:57 pmOne more thing: Have a real draft where the rich and priveleged classes children are equally drafted…no college deferments, no rich kid deferments, all this insane war strutting will stop.
July 15th, 2007 at 6:59 pm1. Tired Of Fighting ,
You’re a fake!
You loser.
You’re an internet geek faking like a soldier.
You a fake!
Comment by Papa Smurf — July 13, 2007 @ 7:42 pm
Your words, Mr. P.? Proud of them, Mr. P?
July 15th, 2007 at 6:59 pmOr are you just another little pussy who has no balls for going to war yourself yet can hide behind your monitor so others can die for you?
Comment by Thiassi — July 15, 2007 @ 6:58 pm
While mocking a falling soldier.
July 15th, 2007 at 7:00 pm*fallen*
July 15th, 2007 at 7:00 pmAre you proud of those words, Mr. President?
July 15th, 2007 at 7:01 pmThose aren’t my words.
July 15th, 2007 at 7:02 pmWould you like to read more of your posts, Mr. President?
July 15th, 2007 at 7:02 pmHard to believe someone who has no credibility.
July 15th, 2007 at 7:03 pmYou are a liar as well as a coward, Mr. President.
July 15th, 2007 at 7:03 pmYou go ahead and rave about sending men and women into Iran….we know what it comes from.
but we here care about the costs of war. We respect it. your opinion is not needed. coward.
July 15th, 2007 at 7:04 pmMr. Pee has an excuse for not joining the service; I don’t think any branch of the armed services is taking 14 year olds.
But he has no excuse for name-jacking a fallen soldier and p*ssing on his memory, all in a disgusting attempt to slander a current man in uniform.
Beneath contempt.
July 15th, 2007 at 7:05 pmYou know these Christian and Jewish American politicians lay in bed dreaming about genocide.
Comment by LandSurveyor — July 15, 2007 @ 6:57 pm
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Yeah, that’s it.
Those damn Christians and the dirty Jews, it’s all their fault, right?
Wrong.
It’s in America’s best interest to remove any threats to our well-being, and the well-being of our troops.
Even Americans atheists and agnostics (like myself) would agree.
July 15th, 2007 at 7:05 pmThis crap is very problematic. Why is the Dems leadership allowing Lieberman to sponsor this kind of of crap? Is this why we voted the Dems back in office?
July 15th, 2007 at 7:07 pmHey people, try to stay on topic, okay?
You’re rantings will only derail the thread, and we all know that you’re falsely accusing me.
July 15th, 2007 at 7:07 pmand the well-being of our troops.
Comment by Mr. President
God you are sickening. little artificial weasel. pathetic,vile, coward.
July 15th, 2007 at 7:08 pmHow do you impeach the whole Congress and the Executive Branch? That seems to be what it will take: someone will have to start a homeland insurgency.
July 15th, 2007 at 7:09 pmMr. Pee, no one believes anything you say, and no one is interested in your opinion. You might as well just google another fallen hero, steal his name, and go on another tirade.
Scum.
July 15th, 2007 at 7:09 pmShall we not talk about how some have no compunction about sending others off to die for their insane wars, who even find the death of a soldier amusing?
July 15th, 2007 at 7:09 pmand the well-being of our troops.
Comment by Mr. President
God you are sickening. little artificial weasel. pathetic,vile, coward.
Comment by willyloman
July 15th, 2007 at 7:10 pmpathetic
July 15th, 2007 at 7:10 pmvile
July 15th, 2007 at 7:11 pmObama (D-IL), Yea
Clinton (D-NY), Yea
Feingold (D-WI), Yea
Reid (D-NV), Yea
Webb (D-VA), Yea
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Good decisions, all of you!
July 15th, 2007 at 7:11 pmcoward
July 15th, 2007 at 7:11 pmpathetic
July 15th, 2007 at 7:12 pmvile
July 15th, 2007 at 7:12 pma$$hole
July 15th, 2007 at 7:12 pmcoward
July 15th, 2007 at 7:12 pmliar
July 15th, 2007 at 7:13 pmloser
July 15th, 2007 at 7:13 pm“creep” is too kind
July 15th, 2007 at 7:15 pmWell, what else could I have expected from a bunch of Leftists?
If they can’t handle reality, they make stuff up!!!
July 15th, 2007 at 7:15 pmALL of them voted FOR this?
holy crap…
July 15th, 2007 at 7:16 pmscum
July 15th, 2007 at 7:16 pmwas that the same day most of the repugs
July 15th, 2007 at 7:18 pmvoted AGAINST the troops?
.
Feigling
July 15th, 2007 at 7:19 pmFeigling
Comment by spit take
alright, you got me on that one. Feigling?
July 15th, 2007 at 7:23 pmhey willy - ease up, man… now that i see this:
Comment by Papa Smurf — July 13, 2007 @ 7:42 pm
Your words, Mr. P.? Proud of them, Mr. P?
Comment by willyloman — July 15, 2007 @ 6:59 pm
and get the name of that commenter, i can just about
assure you that mr.pee is not papa smurf…
that vile trooll has shown up here occasionally…
i do recognize the name, at least…
i won’t miss mr.pee should you chase him off, but i just
July 15th, 2007 at 7:24 pmwanted you to know he may not be the culprit…
democratic principles?
…
To the person who asked about how we impeach an entire congress….I don’t know, but we had better think of something, fast.
July 15th, 2007 at 7:24 pmFeigling: “Coward” in German, I believe.
July 15th, 2007 at 7:25 pmBROWNBAG gave his word to Fox HaNUTTY that he will bomb Iran.
Amazing..after all the trouble we are STILL facing in Iraq for the last 5 years and at a cost of 3600 Americans’ LIVES and over 660 billion DOLLARS, the urge to bomb ANOTHER bigger Middle Eastern country remains the dream of these people.
July 15th, 2007 at 7:27 pmI just got finished watching the DVD “War Made Easy” by Norman Soloman and narrated by Sean Penn. Every single person in this country should watch this and educate themselves on propaganda: what it looks like, how it is used, and why it is so effective, and view all the parallels of the last several wars this country has waged in the name of spreading peace and democracy. Watching all the old footage lined up alongside our current history is pretty amazing. It was mindboggling watching so many presidents saying all the same things, using all the same language and reasons to promote the conflicts. This is an important film and if Americans want to learn how we get into these wars, they can learn a lot by watching how history keeps repeating itself. The footage is both damning and compelling.
July 15th, 2007 at 7:27 pmFeigling: “Coward†in German, I believe.
Comment by spit take — July 15, 2007 @ 7:25 pm
Not to malign the Germans, but it wouldn’t surprise me if that were a language Pee was familiar with.
July 15th, 2007 at 7:28 pmdemocratic principles?
…
Comment by katy
Yesterday in a post, with Mr. P and CV…whatever…”someone” posted from that soldier again. I saw it as did others.
Papa Smurf wasn’t there. TP cleaned it in about a minute. Mr. P argues that he knows Joker did it.
But of course Joker wasn’t there.
Then he said Umar Lee is another alias of Joker….Umar Lee hadn’t posted.
So, you tell me. Democratic principles and all.
When I jumped on him yesterday, he didn’t deny it. he just left.
I know he did it. cus he did it again.
and these people know he did it.
and he knows he did it. But he thinks it’s ok if he can get others to say “maybe he didn’t”
and I say, that’s not good enough for taking the name of a fallen soldier to slander his memory.
Not by a long shot.
July 15th, 2007 at 7:30 pmSorry, FEATURING Norman Solomon.
July 15th, 2007 at 7:30 pmhttp://www.warmadeeasythemovie.org/
“War Made Easy - How Presidents and Pundits Keep Spinning Us To Death”
Brownback is out on television beating his chest about this, and he didn’t even bother to vote?
Is he trying to turn this into an even bigger metatextual insanity? He’s an expert on military affairs with no military record, and he crows about a vote in which he didn’t even participate?
July 15th, 2007 at 7:30 pmThis is an important film and if Americans want to learn how we get into these wars, they can learn a lot by watching how history keeps repeating itself. The footage is both damning and compelling.
Comment by JG
Where do you get it?
July 15th, 2007 at 7:31 pmI purchased my copy from the website:
July 15th, 2007 at 7:32 pmhttp://www.warmadeeasythemovie.org/
JG have you seen this Zeitgeist film?
http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/
or the BBC one “Power of Nightmares”
July 15th, 2007 at 7:35 pmBut Mr president you can’t get into heaven with hate in your heart.
July 15th, 2007 at 7:38 pmThe Power of Nightmares is a great documentary about the rise of the NeoCons and the Islamists, and their use of religion and “destiny” to brainwash people.
not easy to find, but get some popcorn and a notebook,
http://www.archive.org/details/ThePowerOfNightmares
its in three parts.
July 15th, 2007 at 7:40 pmi do understand, willy…
guess i don’t know enough details…
i’m assuming you’ve been in touch with TP/faiz…
July 15th, 2007 at 7:41 pmthat should settle it…
Comment by katy
I understand that for some people I am going to far with this. But go back and read Tired of Fighting post. Go back and read what people were saying to him afterward.
Then, go read what these “trolls” started saying.
It was vile. And I cannot “let it go”. Even if my father wasn’t career military, you just don’t do that.
And now, every lie he tries to spin it with makes me sicker.
It is offensive. It is beyond offensive.
And I know you weren’t there, so I understand how people don’t want it to “ruin” their thread. But, how can we say there has to be accountablity in govenment, and we don’t demand accountabilty here?
July 15th, 2007 at 7:47 pmComment by katy — July 15, 2007 @ 7:24 pm
Thank you… for what it’s worth.
July 15th, 2007 at 7:48 pmMr. President,
In all seriousness - I think it’s time for you to go. We aren’t buying what you’re selling, so we’re all wasting time. Goodbye and good luck.
July 15th, 2007 at 7:49 pmLst post was to the troll and the chimp.
July 15th, 2007 at 7:50 pmKaty, the offenses attributed to Mr Pee are much deeper and more offensive than the sample quoted by willyloman. On a thread the other night (Friday, I believe) we had a post from “Tired of Fighting”, who said he was a soldier who had served several tours in Iraq, and who had lost a comrade there three years ago. One of the trolls began posting using the dead soldiers name and smearing “Tired of Fighting”, along the lines of the Papa Smurf post.
After thoroughly disgusting most of the regulars who were on line at the time, this troll (we can’t prove who it was, but it sounded an awful lot like Mr Pee) went into an extended rap/ebonics conversation with himself, posting under several different handles, all of them vaguely derogatory towards blacks and products of a typical white suburban right-wing teenager’s mind.
All in all, it was a virtuoso performance of sleaze and cowardice. The posting and language patterns track so closely with Mr pee’s established persona here that it convinced several of us that he is the culprit. The fact that his posts over the last few weeks have pretty much abandoned reason and rely more and more on falsehood and childish arguments means that there is simply no reason to give him the benefit of any doubt.
And willyloman summed up the case since with admirable concision.
July 15th, 2007 at 7:50 pmSomeone else can go to TP about this if they like.
As for me, I am content to hold Pee to no higher standard for the truth and for respect than he exhibits himself.
If he, by some odd chance, is innocent, it is enough that he knows it.
It’s not like we’re locking him up in Gitmo without a trial.
July 15th, 2007 at 7:50 pmLst post was to the troll and the chimp.
Comment by Marcus Aurelius
A two-fer!
July 15th, 2007 at 7:50 pmComment by ICHTHUS — July 15, 2007 @ 7:38 pm
I shall go to the Isle of the Blessed, to see my ancient brother who was also falsely accused, Palamedes.
July 15th, 2007 at 7:52 pmIt’s not like we’re locking him up in Gitmo without a trial.
Comment by Egreggious
can we do that?
July 15th, 2007 at 7:52 pmThe Joker was evidently responsible for the first slander of Sgt. Sherman. Pee defended this pr*ck on a regular basis. That, in itself, is reason to revile this scum.
July 15th, 2007 at 7:53 pmWell, it’s very difficult to figure out how to read the actual amendment, but it doesn’t call for war against Iran. Nope. It censures Iran. And it calls on the WH to report every 60 days on what Iran is up to.
That Iran is providing assistance to the insurgancy is natural. Iran provided refuge for many years for enemies of Saddam’s government. And it certainly doesn’t think of America as Iraq’s liberator.
Mind you, it’s difficult to say who in Iran is doing the helping. It doesn’t seem to be coming from the top level of government, but from the groups friendly to Iraqi Shiites. This is understandable.
Previous attempts by the Pentagon to tar Iran have failed or been exposed or were minimized by further investigation. This amendment, although welcomed by the “Let’s bomb Iran” crowd, reinforces the idea that Congress has the right to declare war.
Lieberman and Brownback may be ready to strike Iran, but Congress is not. And this amendment demands that a case be made before any action is taken. I can understand why it got a 97-0 vote.
We should look to the British hostage situation for an example. They got their 15 sailors back. And all went well. And Iran has just moved to allow UN inspectors back.
Of course, a major headache for Bush is that a large number of Iraqi parliamentarians would love to see Iran involved in Iraq. They’d welcome it. So, whose will is more important?
July 15th, 2007 at 7:53 pmIn all seriousness - I think it’s time for you to go. We aren’t buying what you’re selling, so we’re all wasting time. Goodbye and good luck.
Comment by Marcus Aurelius — July 15, 2007 @ 7:49 pm
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I know I did nothing wrong, and I will not surrender to fascism. If you choose to waste time making me your scapegoat, you are in need of help.
July 15th, 2007 at 7:54 pmI’ll support Brownback-Yellowback,Bushback-Cheneyback, Liberman- Rumsfeldback and all the other loonies when I see their sons and daughters, nieces and nephews, brothers and sisters, cousins, granddaughters and grandsons, staffers, other relatives and friends come back to the U.S. in body bags, on gurneys or in wheelchairs.
July 15th, 2007 at 7:55 pmThe Joker was evidently responsible for the first slander of Sgt. Sherman. Pee defended this pr*ck on a regular basis. That, in itself, is reason to revile this scum.
Comment by Egreggious — July 15, 2007 @ 7:53 pm
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I did not defend him when he did that, and if you think that you are morally justified in what you are doing to me now, you are deluded.
July 15th, 2007 at 7:56 pmComment by david — July 15, 2007 @ 7:53 pm
I hope you are right, David. I hope this amendment is actually a way to help prevent another pe-emptive war, rather than to encourage it.
July 15th, 2007 at 7:56 pmA followup, Iraq in 2006 had the world’s #4 largest oil reserves, Iran was #3.
July 15th, 2007 at 7:56 pmhttp://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0872964.html
*pre-emptive*
I’ve got Pee on the brain.
July 15th, 2007 at 7:56 pmSliding down the slippery slope, it gets scarier everyday. We’re losing our democracy for fear of losing our democracy.
Demo-crazy.
Do not tread on me.
July 15th, 2007 at 7:57 pmMr Pee, no one believes you, and every word you say in your defense makes you the object of that much greater scorn.
I don’t understand why you want to remain n the company of people who despise you, but I guess you have your reasons.
Scum.
July 15th, 2007 at 7:57 pmI garantee all of you that if obama or hillary become the democratic nominee and are in the general election, they will start saying “keep the military option on the table.” If they don’t, they probably wont get elected in a general election.
July 15th, 2007 at 7:57 pmComment by willyloman — July 15, 2007 @ 7:40 pm
Thanks. I will watch it.
July 15th, 2007 at 7:58 pmAnd what happens when China allies with the EU and decides they have to stop us before we preemptively attack everyone on the planet?
July 15th, 2007 at 7:59 pmA 97-0 vote? Does it matter, then, who says what after such a vote passes? The Democrats have just repeated what they participated in and passed in 2002, which allowed the preemptive strike into Iraq!! Insanity!
Personally, I’ve now lost all hope that the occupation of Iraq will come to an end; that war with Iran can be avoided; that Bush and Cheney will be impeached; that justice will ever be done and that this democracy will survive. Frankly, it would appear that the terrorists have won. We have lost our freedom, our principles, our respect and standing in the world, and our economy is dependent on debt. The wallpaper is still up, but the walls have crumbled and lie in ruins.
July 15th, 2007 at 7:59 pmAnd you also don’t understand the nature of “fascism” if you think a popular campaign against a nominal peer is it, Mr Pee.
But then, nthing you have ever posted would lead one to believe that you understand the nature of Fascism.
A$$hole.
July 15th, 2007 at 8:00 pmAnother reason I have no sympathy for Pee is because he drives away people from this site who actually have something constructive to say.
Perhaps that is his purpose.
But he is vile, and, by his very presence here, he continues to defame dead soldiers.
July 15th, 2007 at 8:01 pmI was not a soldier. My father was a sailor (submariner) and I learned that there is a bond between these people that goes way beyond anything I will ever know.
Judging from Mr.P’s apparent age, I would say that this may be something he doesn’t realise. Not many would, who didn’t see it or feel it.
veritas recently stepped over a line in here, and veritas, as many of us have had to do in the past, recognized it; and took responsibility for it. i have had to many times, and it was not those times that I regret, it was the times that I failed to do so that haunt me.
It’s not a competition. This was a man who gave his life for this country. A living breathing man, just like so many others before and after.
Like Tired said, he was not a “comma”. He was loved, just like any others.
http://www.legacy.com/ Soldier/ Story.aspx?PersonID=3130083
Go and read about this man, this soldier, and think to yourself if you wish to commit so many more to this end in Iran.
Ask yourself, if you owe anything to his friend.
Do you owe it to yourself. Because you owe us nothing.
July 15th, 2007 at 8:03 pmI shall go to the Isle of the Blessed, to see my ancient brother who was also falsely accused, Palamedes.
Comment by Mr. President
Many a men have been fasley accused, as I have been. But what you speak of here has nothing to do with Ithaca.
July 15th, 2007 at 8:03 pmIt would seem to me that this amendment might ensure that dialogue occurs every 60 days at which point it would become a point of control over the war-happy profiteering criminals in the long run. I really don’t believe anyone knows the true value on either side of this amendment. What Brownhole and Lieberslobber say about Iraq is irrelevant because they both tanked politicos whom no one is even listening to. Hopefully, there’s more (much more) to this than originally meets the eye - where the rubber meets the road may be that it provides oversight by Congress, that’s all. Let’s not jump the gun and follow some of the nonsensical trolls here attempting to connect dots which aren’t there, particularly between some of the Dem candidates who voted yes on this amendment. There must be logical reason for them having done so, if in fact, they have done so.
July 15th, 2007 at 8:03 pmComment by ICHTHUS — July 15, 2007 @ 8:03 pm
You’re right, the Isle was but a day-dream.
I’ll be in The Halls of `AIDHS with all the rest of the shades.
July 15th, 2007 at 8:07 pmThanks for the link, Salesman. I couldn’t get it to work earlier. I didn’t realize that Sgt. Sherman hailed from my stomping grounds here in Oregon.
Speaking of Oregon, I hope Zooey’s enjoying her day here at the beach.
July 15th, 2007 at 8:08 pmEggregious: I find it fascinating how similar our troll Mr. Pee is to his obvious role model who sits in the big house. Both ignorant buffoons.
Beyond that while this moronic troll may create the impression of a blog which isn’t worth wasting one’s precious time on with the amount of pure bullshit he spews regularly, I believe that most bloggers simply scroll right past these ridiculous rants of his. One can very quickly recognize a moron from the composition of his posts and his obvious attempts at continual hijack of the conversation. Once people realize the name, they don’t even bother because they know it’s pure nonsense, without substance, without backup, without facts.
July 15th, 2007 at 8:08 pmComment by ICHTHUS
I am sorry for falsely accusing you of shenanigans.
July 15th, 2007 at 8:09 pmSpeaking of Oregon, I hope Zooey’s enjoying her day here at the beach.
Comment by Egreggious
You and Zooey got something going on don’t you?
July 15th, 2007 at 8:10 pmI’ll be in The Halls of `AIDHS with all the rest of the shades.
Comment by Mr. President
You mean perhaps the halls of Amenti?
July 15th, 2007 at 8:11 pm#75..Celtic Cynic,
I agree with you 100%…
If politicians and pundits are willing to send their own kids,spouses ,friends and relatives..then they can be supported, but just by sitting and talking war all the time,while others are losing their lives…then politicians and pundits are not sincere,if they are not sharing the sacrifice with the soldiers whom they sent to the battle field.
July 15th, 2007 at 8:12 pmComment by terpsicore — July 15, 2007 @ 8:08 pm
Except that Pee adopts a new alias every five minutes, another reason to not be at all surprised that he would hijack the name of a brave fallen soldier.
July 15th, 2007 at 8:12 pmYou and Zooey got something going on don’t you?
Comment by willyloman — July 15, 2007 @ 8:10 pm
I wish!
July 15th, 2007 at 8:13 pmI wish!
Comment by Egreggious
Good. there hope for me yet! wha-hoooo
July 15th, 2007 at 8:14 pmThe last thing I want to say, and I will be saying it in every post I make from this point forward, is everyone needs to watch the most recent Bill Moyers interview. “Bill Moyers gets perspective on the role of impeachment in American political life from Constitutional scholar Bruce Fein, who wrote the first article of impeachment against President Bill Clinton, and THE NATION’s John Nichols, author of THE GENIUS OF IMPEACHMENT.”
http://www.pbs.org/ moyers/ journal/ 07132007/ profile.html
This is the best, the most clearly articulated argument for the absolute NEED for impeachment proceedings being brought against Bush AND Cheney that I have heard yet. It is measured, educated, articulate, and unbiased. Bruce Fein was the person who wrote the articles of Impeachment against Clinton. Both arguments are in agreement and extremely compelling. This has to happen NOW! They lay out clearly all the reasons why.
If you haven’t watched this, PLEASE watch it. It is in two parts and lasts about 40 minutes. This isn’t about getting Bush and Cheney, this is about ensuring that the Constitution is preserved and showing that it can work like it should and must. The argument is for taking action NOW so that Bush and Cheney do not leave office with this terrible overreaching of power being the new precedent for future Presidencies - whether Dems or Repubs. John Nichols makes a very clear case for the fact that impeachment is not causing a crisis, impeachment is the strong medicine - the cure for the current Constitutional crisis. The founders of this country were wise in their creating of our Constitution. We need to let it work like it must for the protection of this nation.
July 15th, 2007 at 8:14 pmAs much as I dislike the ideal totally, but at this point with all the chickenhawks gunho on attacking Iran and staying in Irag, just maybe a draft may wake up some of the elite. Mind you there are some “elites” that are there in Irag and Afghanistan fighting alongwith with, but overall it’s the middle to lower class that makes the majority. Let’s equal it out.
If Brownass has a son or daughter, or any other family member that are at the age to be deployed, send them.
July 15th, 2007 at 8:15 pmZooey IS a hot ticket, that’s for sure.
Just know this, Zooey talks to me.
(yep. I’m taking bribes!)
:D
July 15th, 2007 at 8:16 pmGotta love chicken hawk Neo-Conservative cheerleaders. GW Bush is one, I wouldn’t be surprised is Hannity never served in active combat.
Brownback seems like he hasn’t served, either.
Chicken hawks with no blood on the line, and have never served.
July 15th, 2007 at 8:16 pmComment by ICHTHUS — July 15, 2007 @ 8:11 pm
Amenti? Who’s that?
I was speaking of the Halls of “The One Whose Name Should Not Be Spoken.”
(by the way, if you do not answer I will understand, you might be found guilty be association)
July 15th, 2007 at 8:16 pmSpeaking of Oregon, I hope Zooey’s enjoying her day here at the beach.
Comment by Egreggious
Did someone mention my name….? :D
Great day at the beach! Cold, damp and I got wet just hiking around. Great pictures, too! Then went north and had clam chowder in Astoria. Beautiful drive.
July 15th, 2007 at 8:18 pmComment by trueblue
funny, she said the same thing about you.
July 15th, 2007 at 8:18 pmfunny, she said the same thing about you.
Comment by willyloman
Yeah, true’s a hottie!
*clearing throat*
I’ll check the other threads now. :-D
July 15th, 2007 at 8:19 pmComment by JG
I saw this and I agee with JG; it is very important that we start talking about impeachment as a reality.
July 15th, 2007 at 8:20 pm…everyone needs to watch the most recent Bill Moyers interview. “Bill Moyers gets perspective on the role of impeachment in American political life from Constitutional scholar Bruce Fein, who wrote the first article of impeachment against President Bill Clinton, and THE NATION’s John Nichols, author of THE GENIUS OF IMPEACHMENT.â€
Comment by JG — July 15, 2007 @ 8:14 pm
Agreed! Especially if you’re still on the fence about this issue.
The program caused me to write out a note to my Representative, something I don’t do very often.
July 15th, 2007 at 8:20 pmComment by ICHTHUS
I am sorry for falsely accusing you of shenanigans.
Comment by Mr. President — July 15, 2007 @ 8:09 pm
I have long known my accusers had no proof of nefarious deeds. This does not trouble me. Your apology is heartily accepted. I do not seek revenge. I do not judge you nor should you have judged me. The 3 fates will decide now that what is to be.
God Bless, Adonai Melekh N’amon and Namaste Mr P.
July 15th, 2007 at 8:21 pmComment by Zooey
see? would I lie?
hi true!
hi Zooey!
July 15th, 2007 at 8:22 pmI’m stepping out for a bit but should be back soon!
July 15th, 2007 at 8:24 pmfunny, she said the same thing about you.
Comment by willyloman
Yeah, true’s a hottie!
*clearing throat*
I’ll check the other threads now. :-D
Comment by Zooey —
Zooey,
I asked you not to reveal my siren-like hottness.
:}
July 15th, 2007 at 8:26 pm(by the way, if you do not answer I will understand, you might be found guilty be association)
Comment by Mr. President
I know the one and true name, which I shall not say.
July 15th, 2007 at 8:26 pmThe program caused me to write out a note to my Representative, something I don’t do very often.
Comment by Egreggious
July 15th, 2007 at 8:27 pmABC News 11/6/06
“The vast majority — more than 80 percent — of American military deaths in Iraq are still being caused by Sunni insurgents…”
USA Today, 12/8/06
“Private Saudi citizens are giving millions of dollars to Sunni insurgents in Iraq and much of the money is used to buy weapons, including shoulder fired anti-aircraft missiles, according to key Iraqi officials and others familiar with the flow of cash.”
“But the U.S. Iraq Study Group report said Saudis are a source of funding for Sunni Arab insurgents.”
LA Times, 7/15/07
“About 45% of all foreign militants targeting U.S. troops and Iraqi civilians and security forces are from Saudi Arabia”
“Fighters from Saudi Arabia are thought to have carried out more suicide bombings than those of any other nationality, said the senior U.S. officer”
July 15th, 2007 at 8:28 pm“Sean, if we’re going to be serious about this fight, and we’re in this fight, and probably for a generation.”
Whenever a republican uses the word “probably” my fur bristles. They are proved wrong onsuch a regular basis, and have lost too much credibilty with their previous “probable” prognostications.
If a republican says anything is probable I know he’s lying.
July 15th, 2007 at 8:28 pmYet McCain has served and knows, and somehow the Bushies got his soul, and I can’t understand that. Is it blackmail? Anyways I believe, I hope he has seen the light.
I would not have voted for him anyway, but I did admire him until the elections of 2006. I can’t remember the race but I believe the Dem was a Irag Vet who lost her legs. McCain supported the Republican and said some pretty harsh words against her. At the point, I lost total respect.
July 15th, 2007 at 8:29 pmComment by Egreggious
later. me too. later all. If someone comes up with a way to impeach all of congress and get me a date, let me know.
i’ll tell you later which is more important.
July 15th, 2007 at 8:29 pmHi willy & true. :-D
Um, true sorry for revealing your hotness. willy is a great fan of Cheze Pufes and dusty donuts. A fine gentleman, naturally. :)
July 15th, 2007 at 8:29 pmLaying the groundwork:
The AUMF that launched the War in Afghanistan authorized the president to attack any nation that helped those who attacked us on Sep 11, 2001.
The president constantly refers to al Qaeda in Iraq as “the people who attacked us on Sep 11th.” They are not. They (al Qaeda in Iraq) formed in 2004.
The president has been saying that Iran is helping this al Qaeda in Iraq group.
The president will soon claim that the 2002 AUMF already gives him the authority to attack Iran because they are aiding “those who attacked us on Sep 11th.”
I expect the attack on Iran to come within one Friedman Unit.
You’ve read it elsewhere first.
Nice to see everyone. I have to get back to writing.
July 15th, 2007 at 8:30 pmComment by ICHTHUS — July 15, 2007 @ 8:21 pm
Thank you,
May Ananke and the Fates be good to you too.
July 15th, 2007 at 8:31 pm“Fighters from Saudi Arabia are thought to have carried out more suicide bombings than those of any other nationality, said the senior U.S. officerâ€
Comment by pgw
and we are going after Iran.
good post pgw
July 15th, 2007 at 8:31 pmlater. me too. later all. If someone comes up with a way to impeach all of congress and get me a date, let me know.
i’ll tell you later which is more important.
Comment by willyloman
I would recommend smallpox infested blankets for one, but I’m not telling which….
July 15th, 2007 at 8:31 pmThere goes the thought that the United States leaders have any humanity. We torture, jail innocent people for life, kill and rape girls, kill woman/children. Our elected GOP officials rob the US Treasury and give Iraq and contractor all the money as Americans say nothing. But no worry Americans have money to burn and who cares that we don’t have health care for kids just as long as the White House is still robbing the taxpayers blind. Oh yes the media is doing their part to in supporting the White House.
July 15th, 2007 at 8:32 pmThe Joker was evidently responsible for the first slander of Sgt. Sherman. Pee defended this pr*ck on a regular basis. That, in itself, is reason to revile this scum.
Comment by Egreggious — July 15, 2007 @ 7:53 pm
The Joker is Mr. President. They use the same bleedin’ slang for their “enemies” (you know, all that Islamo-fascist-Stalinistas-from-San Juan crapola), the same fraggin’ OOOOOoooooOOOOOooooo’s, the same style of writing. The Joker is merely q “more poetic” *snort* persona of Mr. P. The Joker and Mr. P, if you’ll notice, are two of the favored personas used for “self argument”, whereby our troll-in-waiting plays with itself, saying the most vile of shit, then agrees with itself, sometimes pulling in additional personas beyond that in a manner of minutes (personalities you will not see again for a while either, mind you), all engaged in seeming groupthink and groupspeak.
The Joker is yet another in the list o’ tools to ignore utterly. Tools of a pathetic ‘net troll, and one who (obviously) has no life. 15 hours a day? Right, paid to troll, no life, or both.
July 15th, 2007 at 8:32 pmUm, true sorry for revealing your hotness. willy is a great fan of Cheze Pufes and dusty donuts. A fine gentleman, naturally. :)
Comment by Zooey
It’s not the script that makes the performance. And it ain’t the shoes that make you Jordan….
I can do amazing things with Cheze Pufes and a box-o-wine. It is a talent. Dorment, to say the least. But a talent none the less.
“Good night. Good night. Parting is such sweet sorrow.”
July 15th, 2007 at 8:36 pmMr. President it is actually the opposite. This is how I know you’re a liar.
July 15th, 2007 at 8:38 pmI’m an agnostic. And I have to fight my own urges of wanting the easy way out through preemptive strikes which I believe are probably going to result in strategic small nukes.
Mr. President I do not like Muslims. But I’m a grown man and grown men find the causes of problems.
..whereby our troll-in-waiting plays with itself…
Comment by Moderation — July 15, 2007 @ 8:32 pm
Kind of like his many names of an ancient tongue, from a particular region of the world…hmmmmmmm…….
July 15th, 2007 at 8:39 pmBut I’m a grown man and grown men find the causes of problems.
Comment by LandSurveyor — July 15, 2007 @ 8:38 pm
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Right, it’s like you said, the Christians and Jews who run the country… they are the problem.
July 15th, 2007 at 8:42 pm“good post pgw
Comment by willyloman — July 15, 2007″
thanks.
July 15th, 2007 at 8:42 pm“Good night. Good night. Parting is such sweet sorrow.â€
Comment by willyloman
Goodnight, willy. Always a pleasure reading you. :_
July 15th, 2007 at 8:42 pmEnough killing.
~Sean
July 15th, 2007 at 8:44 pmGlad you had a nice day on the beach, Zooey.
July 15th, 2007 at 8:45 pmComment by spit take — July 15, 2007 @ 7:50 pm
so glad i missed that one… there have been some similarly styled
trolls show up here before… the object, i’m almost sure, is to provide
“proof” of the librul hate for the troops… they post it, then point to it:
“see, look at the hate and vitriol the left spews”…
old trick… sick minds…
david @ 7:53 pm - thanks for that, as usual, assured and comforting explanation… gives hope…
mr.pee… ugh… you’re welcome…
July 15th, 2007 at 8:50 pmya know there have been times, i could detect a glimmer of your actually “getting it”, you are being affected by all the truth you are reading…
and then one or some or your “bros” shows up and you have to turn into a blowhard bully to try and show off… best if you’d just hang back and
keep on listening and learning… we’ll keep your secret…
but quit being so annoying…
maybe those other bullies will knock it off if you wouldn’t stir it up…
i have a son and daughter around your age…
it would break my heart if i knew they were acting as you do here…
it’s your future we’re fighting for, afterall…
…
Comment by katy — July 15, 2007 @ 8:50 pm
I’ve decided to refine myself, and I have urged CT_V1 to try as well.
July 15th, 2007 at 8:55 pmThank you again.
No Mr. President that’s not what I said. I know and love many Christians. I don’t believe I know any Jews. My whole family is very much anti-war and devout Christian. But politicians are different. I don’t choose my words lightly.
July 15th, 2007 at 8:59 pmThese politicians who think peace and security lies in overthrowing Muslim countries are not thinking rationally. Their emotions force them to make bad decisions. Everyone knows this.
LA Times, 7/15/07
“About 45% of all foreign militants targeting U.S. troops and Iraqi civilians and security forces are from Saudi Arabiaâ€
“Fighters from Saudi Arabia are thought to have carried out more suicide bombings than those of any other nationality, said the senior U.S. officerâ€
Comment by pgw — July 15, 2007 @ 8:28 pm
deserves repeating… pass it around…
too bad that story didn’t make the rounds this a.m….
know what else didn’t? … not a word…
not a mention about harriet meirs thumbing her supreme-court-qualified nose at the senate this week…
huh… imagine that…
July 15th, 2007 at 9:01 pmSomeone who thinks this war essential to our nation’s glory, and who is of military age, would be refined if he or she joined the military, to serve alongside other soldiers in the defense of their lives, instead of making a mockery of our fallen troops by continuing to show his or her face here, where the unforgiveable sin was committed.
July 15th, 2007 at 9:04 pmZooey, I have always believed in your hotness. For me, it’s a logical extension of your wit and wisdom.
Now, about this topic… I don’t know if these neocons are afflicted with ADD and just love launching wars so much more than finishing them, or if they are this desperate to distract us from the Iraq diaster, or if they really think that things are going so swimmingly in Iraq that we might as well attack its neighbor with more than twice the population and land area, and with a functioning military to boot…
Let’s see if they make good on their threats, how far along into the conflict they will get before a draft is instituted…
July 15th, 2007 at 9:05 pmnot a mention about harriet meirs thumbing her supreme-court-qualified nose at the senate this week…
Comment by katy — July 15, 2007 @ 9:01 pm
It made me proud to hear Sam mention that today, as I had made the same observation here earlier.
July 15th, 2007 at 9:06 pmComment by LandSurveyor — July 15, 2007 @ 8:59 pm
I know what you said too.
But I think you phrased it better this way.
However, in this situation we are not proposing genocide. But rather, we have traced one of the contributing factors of the insurgency to Iran, and now we are taking action.
July 15th, 2007 at 9:08 pmThe good boy stays on topic.
“Scum? Me? You must be mistaken.”
July 15th, 2007 at 9:13 pmI am ready to strike Brownback.
July 15th, 2007 at 9:14 pm“…we have traced one of the contributing factors of the insurgency to Iran, and now we are taking action.
Comment by Mr. President
So, since one of the “contributing factors” is US, what DOES that mean you shithead?
July 15th, 2007 at 9:16 pm#
LA Times, 7/15/07
“About 45% of all foreign militants targeting U.S. troops and Iraqi civilians and security forces are from Saudi Arabiaâ€
“Fighters from Saudi Arabia are thought to have carried out more suicide bombings than those of any other nationality, said the senior U.S. officerâ€
Comment by pgw — July 15, 2007 @ 8:28 pm
deserves repeating… pass it around…
July 15th, 2007 at 9:17 pmtoo bad that story didn’t make the rounds this a.m….
I know what you propose. I’m talking about dreams. Like a jealous hard-dicked teenager who dreams about being the BMOC. Worried some new kid’s gonna show your girlfriend his Caliphate.
July 15th, 2007 at 9:19 pmLet’s see if they make good on their threats, how far along into the conflict they will get before a draft is instituted…
Comment by spit take
They don’t need a draft. They have destroyed the college loan program and the job base. The poor and working classes will have few options.
July 15th, 2007 at 9:19 pmThe good boy stays on topic.
“Scum? Me? You must be mistaken.â€
Comment by Egreggious — July 15, 2007 @ 9:13 pm
After a very impressive conversation between himself and a new Greek-named poster (named for the fish symbol of Jesus) who was curiously sympathetic to the poor fella’s ordeal of being “wrongfully accused”.
God, how trans-f*cking-parent.
July 15th, 2007 at 9:20 pmSweet, spit take.
(I’ll give you a “thumbs up” to Zooey.)
;)
July 15th, 2007 at 9:20 pmNice, true… I’ll owe you one.
July 15th, 2007 at 9:24 pmGod, how trans-f*cking-parent.
Comment by spit take
Kind of sad to watch the pathetic display. yet, it seems to have a certain “instant karma” quality to it.
July 15th, 2007 at 9:26 pm“Nobody told me there’ld be days like these”
J. Lennon
July 15th, 2007 at 9:27 pmKind of sad to watch the pathetic display. yet, it seems to have a certain “instant karma†quality to it.
Comment by willyloman — July 15, 2007 @ 9:26 pm
There’s a certain spiritual symmetry between the Troll and the Chimperor on display right now. Disgusting, but fascinating all the same.
July 15th, 2007 at 9:31 pmThere’s a certain spiritual symmetry between the Troll and the Chimperor on display right now. Disgusting, but fascinating all the same.
Comment by spit take
Like watching a chimp eat his own poo. Google that on YouTube, if you dare. hypnotic and horrible. Like the Senate.
July 15th, 2007 at 9:33 pmThe biggest cowards and pussies are always the ones that cheerlead for war the loudest. Go figure.
July 15th, 2007 at 9:35 pmwillyloman,
July 15th, 2007 at 9:38 pmI took that dead soldier’s name. Tired of fighting is a fraud!
The biggest cowards and pussies are always the ones that cheerlead for war the loudest. Go figure.
Comment by Small men with tiny minds and even smaller units
Sean Hannity.
July 15th, 2007 at 9:39 pmIt made me proud to hear Sam mention that today, as I had made the same observation here earlier.
Comment by Egreggious — July 15, 2007 @ 9:06 pm
yep… heard on sam… not near enough sam…
not sure how i missed your same post… sorry…
…
are you perchance listening to RING OF FIRE now?
July 15th, 2007 at 9:42 pmsalt lake city mayor, rocky anderson, is all for impeachment…
…
There’s a new book out Churchill & the Jews by Martin Gilbert. Read the last three paragraphs of the review.
It’s very disturbing that even as early as 1920 that Churchill and others saw supporting a Jewish homeland would destroy the Jewish Left. And it was the Jewish Left they feared most as they were the most persuasive and proactive. See Churchill’s essay on loyal Jews.
It’s distressing to see Churchill’s racist contempt for the Arabs and Muslims. And his imperialist vision of a Jewish homeland as a beachhead for the European occupation of the Middle East.
Cheney and others seem to be repeating this mistake. They are now trying to break up or destroy every functioning Muslim nation in the region.
July 15th, 2007 at 9:46 pm“The red line is not in Iran. The red line is in Israel. If Israel is adamant it will attack, the US will have to take decisive action,” Mr Cronin said. “The choices are: tell Israel no, let Israel do the job, or do the job yourself.”
July 15th, 2007 at 9:53 pmPretty much everything you’ve ever posted here has been wrong.
July 15th, 2007 at 9:53 pmComment by david
I am not sure if I understood all of this correctly, but there was a pact made between Britan and the “Zionist” during WWI. They wanted to return to the homeland, Israel.
During the war, they negociated with both sides to see who would better provide them a territory from the palistinians.
What they offered was helping to bring the US into the war on one side or the other.
The deal was struck and the Lousitania (spelling I know) set sail.
There are letters to that effect. Around 1913-1915 ish.
One quick note. There was a reason that Hitler blamed the Jews for the oppression that ensued after the war. This connection between Britan and the US.
July 15th, 2007 at 9:54 pmThe Salesman got zapped!
July 15th, 2007 at 10:03 pmWere you spouting lies, Salesman? Is that why you got zapped?
July 15th, 2007 at 10:08 pmThese chickenshit, chickenhawk, cowards are all bat shit crazy…nothing else has to be said. We must get these thugs out of our White House. Now tell me who was the greatest threat, Saddam or Dubya?
July 15th, 2007 at 10:09 pmThe agreement between Lord Balfour and Chaim Weizman was called the Balfour Declaration.
On April 6, 1917, by a vote of 82 to 6 in the Senate and 373 to 50 in the House of Representatives, the United States of America declared war on Germany.
The Balfour Declaration of 1917 (dated November 2, 1917) was a classified formal statement of policy by the British government on the partitioning of the Ottoman Empire in the aftermath of the World War I.
and that created Israel as we know it.
July 15th, 2007 at 10:11 pmWere you spouting lies, Salesman? Is that why you got zapped?
Comment by Egreggious
back to name jacking?
July 15th, 2007 at 10:13 pm“Were you spouting lies, Salesman? Is that why you got zapped?
Comment by Egreggious”
back to name jacking?
Comment by willyloman — July 15, 2007 @ 10:13 pm
Why not? He got away with it last time, even though he name-jacked a dead US soldier and smeared the man’s brother-in-arms.
Pathetic.
July 15th, 2007 at 10:17 pm#141 Comment by spit take — July 15, 2007 @ 9:05 pm
No need to wonder, as you have here. The neocon ideology, and program along with its goals, have all been stated verbally, and written out (PNAC document etc,) again and again. In short:
1. Control of the US by a unitary president.
2. A Congress reduced to impotence in its role as a balance to the Executive branch.
3. A Supreme Court stacked and controlled by the unitary President.
4. The rule of law written and controlled by the unitary president. (Think signing statements!)
5. Complete control of the media with the goal of keeping the general public misinformed and uninformed.
With these goals reached, and possessing the greatest military industrial complex known to man, the neocons can pursue their dream of corporate world domination, called The American Empire.
Every thing that the neocons do falls into this picture. What we call stupid, unbelievable or uncaring, (for example: response to Katrina, attempt to destroy Social Security, attacks and denial on climate change, Iraq invasion, troop treatment-both active duty and the wounded, not to mention the dead who come home invisibly- the list is endless,) is part of the larger plan. This is the Machiavellian plan brought up to date by Leo Strauss in his teaching at The Univ. of Chicago in the late 60s and early 70s. His students and believers are the neocons that have called the shots for the last 7 years in an an extreme and open way.
Nothing hidden or secret, really. Its all out there to be seen and acted against.
July 15th, 2007 at 10:27 pmThe problem is FEAR! And that is another whole post all by itself.
However, in this situation we are not proposing genocide. But rather, we have traced one of the contributing factors of the insurgency to Iran, and now we are taking action.
Comment by Mr. President
I just happened to stop by, I see TP cleaned up most the trolls and offending posts, except for you.
I couldn’t let this pass, you are a liar, you constantly post about genocide of all muslums. This is just one example
2) Even Now, Al Qaeda Is Not The Main Source Of Instability. “While U.S. intelligence and military officials view al Qaida in Iraq as a serious threat, they say the main source of violence and instability is an ongoing contest for power between majority Shiites and Sunnis, who dominated Saddam Hussein’s regime.â€
Okay. Let’s kill them too.
Comment by PiP
There are many more but you are not worth the time to post them al.
July 15th, 2007 at 10:28 pml
Frankly I think you should be banned with the rest. You may not have been guilty of the smearing of both a dead and live serviceman, but you are guilty of racist posts and calling for genocide. You are guilty of violating the terms here multiple times.
You are disgusting and not worthy to be called human.
OMG, the spineless Democratic Senators voted for this crap! Where’s the evidence? I have seen none. All I have seen and heard is the Bush Crime Family telling us that Iran is responsible for problems in Iraq. And we all know how the Bush Crime Family would never lie to us.
This country has gone totally, batshit insane. I can’t believe that our Democratic senators participated in this. I say let’s vote them all out of office!
July 15th, 2007 at 10:30 pmThe PNAC empire marching on. There’s no way they’ll let this opportunity to do something about Iran pass by. Forget terrorism and WMDs, this is pure imperialism.
July 15th, 2007 at 10:32 pmThe problem is FEAR! And that is another whole post all by itself.
Comment by Merlin — July 15, 2007 @ 10:27 pm
don’t wait too long!
July 15th, 2007 at 10:34 pma friend and i were discussing this the other day…
he made an observation that the people were “afraid”…
OF WHAT?, i want to know… afraid of what?
what is more frightening than loosing freedom and democracy?
…
Salesman,
It really was me. I just noticed your post had disappeared, and wasn’t sure why.
I thought maybe the moderators were under the impression you were lying or something.
I wasn’t really addressing you. I was addressing the moderators.
July 15th, 2007 at 10:34 pm“Another reason I have no sympathy for Pee is because he drives away people from this site who actually have something constructive to say.
Perhaps that is his purpose.”
Actually, Mr. President doesn’t drive people away from this site. The people who play with him and the others do. If you could just resist temptation and not feed the trolls they would get discouraged and leave. But so many of you are here simply to play with the trolls.
Someone said to me in another thread that if we don’t fight the trolls we are allowing the bad guys to win. Balderdash. Playing with the trolls is destroying this site. I used to enjoy coming here because there are many people with ideas I respect. But, I’m about ready to leave because so many of you think it is entertaining to play with the trolls and thread after thread becomes nothing but troll and play troll postings.
July 15th, 2007 at 10:35 pmOF WHAT?, i want to know… afraid of what?
what is more frightening than loosing freedom and democracy?
…
Comment by katy
What are we talking about? We don’t even post it because we know they monitor sites. Gitmo? Black bases around the US? we know they are there. We know Blackwater is there. We know they have the Patriot Act that lets em come into your home while you are not there and plant whatever they want to plant, and then hold you for forever.
July 15th, 2007 at 10:37 pmHow do we know it hasn’t happened here already?
#117
ABC News 11/6/06