‘Bush is not going to leave office with Iran still in limbo.’
By on Jul 15th, 2007 at 8:30 pm
‘Bush is not going to leave office with Iran still in limbo.’
In a story entitled “Cheney pushes Bush to act on Iran,” The Guardian writes that Cheney may be winning the debate inside the White House over how to confront Iran:
The balance in the internal White House debate over Iran has shifted back in favour of military action before President George Bush leaves office in 18 months, the Guardian has learned.
The shift follows an internal review involving the White House, the Pentagon and the state department over the last month. Although the Bush administration is in deep trouble over Iraq, it remains focused on Iran. A well-placed source in Washington said: “Bush is not going to leave office with Iran still in limbo.”
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Well, he’s winning over the Senate too.
July 15th, 2007 at 8:36 pmTime to impeach, both Bush and Cheney, before they drive us completely off the cliff instead of just balanced on the precipice
July 15th, 2007 at 8:37 pmNo, Iran will be turned into hell on earth before Bush leaves, for the Hague.
July 15th, 2007 at 8:39 pmIf the current Congress fails to hold Cheney and Bush responsible for their crimes, they are as responsible for our disappearing democracy as these two war mongering ass clowns.
July 15th, 2007 at 8:41 pmI will say it again. This has more to do with oil dollars being switched to Euros and an impending crash of the US dollar and economic collapse than with ‘terrorists’ and making the US safer… How many times can they keep using that scare tactic and getting away with it??
July 15th, 2007 at 8:41 pmThat is the urgency urgency. They will sell a story that will get the American public behind their attack of Iran. I am still anticipating some sort of ‘attack’ that they (US leaders) will define, describe, and sell as their need to retaliate and defend US interests and soldiers. God I hope this doesn’t happen.
I said it before; the closer they get to Cheney, the harder they push into Iran.
They will never let their “New Middle East” go now that they are this close.
We must Impeach Now!
July 15th, 2007 at 8:42 pmHi, I’m back!!!!!!
July 15th, 2007 at 8:48 pmSo, there is a possibility that the US might invade Iran? on what grounds?
Also, given the current status that America is in now, I really wonder why would any sane person want to become the next US President, because everyone knows that the Republicans will shift the blame and responsibility that they have ever done to someone else.
I’d venture the false flag attack will happen with one of our carriers that is currently in harms way, say about 9/11/07…
July 15th, 2007 at 8:51 pmThat is the urgency urgency. They will sell a story that will get the American public behind their attack of Iran. I am still anticipating some sort of ‘attack’ that they (US leaders) will define, describe, and sell as their need to retaliate and defend US interests and soldiers. God I hope this doesn’t happen.
Comment by JG
I agree, JG. This is what they’re building up to, and we must make as much noise as possible to try to prevent it. One o my first comments on TP was something to the effect that if we go into Iran, it will be the end of us. Still true….
July 15th, 2007 at 8:51 pmI wrote this in the last blog:
I want to know why the ‘urgent’ need RIGHT NOW to attack Iran. Is it because they are developing the bomb? Is it because they are behind the insurgency and the attacks on our soldiers? Or, is it a worse sin. Is it because they are switching their oil dollars to Euros instead of US dollars?
http://globalresearch.ca/articles/CLA410A.html
Not a whole lot of people understand that when we attacked Saddam, he was in the process of switching his oil dollars to Euros.
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Iraq/Iraq_dollar_vs_euro.html
I read this article this morning.
http://www.roguegovernment.com/news.php?id=3010
I took note of a paragraph near the end of the article:
“The goal of these coalitions are to speed the recovery of financial institutions should there be an incident of disruption. A currency collapse or a run on the banks would undoubtedly qualify as an incident of disruption as would a terror attack or natural disaster.â€
This was alarming to me given the recent Presidential Directive signed May 9, 2007:
http://www.globalresearch.ca/ index.php?context=viewArticle&code=CHI20070521&articleId=5720
The dollar has recently hit all time lows and there have been warnings of impending economic disaster, usually coming from outside the US. (Not a surprise).
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/6291090.stm
http://www.newsmax.com/ money/ archives/ st/ 2007/ 6/ 25/ 154818.cfm?promo_code=2A89-1&s=la
Everyone should be alarmed by this and start asking more questions instead of just taking this Administration at their word. You can see where that has gotten us.. We can’t just go along with any more of this.
July 15th, 2007 at 8:51 pmComment by Will to Power — July 15, 2007 @ 8:48 pm
A true leader does not step up because he wants power, but only reluctantly, because his country needs him.
CHENEY 2008!!!
July 15th, 2007 at 8:53 pmI’d really, really like to see Pelosi et al put the chymp on notice that attacking Iran, under any circumstance, will bring an impeachment vote the same day.
July 15th, 2007 at 8:54 pmSo, there is a possibility that the US might invade Iran? on what grounds?
Comment by Will to Power
They’ll make the “grounds” up. Nearly a day doesn’t go by, where sites like the Drudge Report, hype up some minor indiscretion from Iran, in an attempt to fan the fires for an attack on Iran.
July 15th, 2007 at 8:55 pmSo, there is a possibility that the US might invade Iran? on what grounds?
Comment by Will to Power — July 15, 2007 @ 8:48 pm
On the grounds that Cheney is not part of the Executive Branch and can therefore do whatever he wants.
July 15th, 2007 at 8:56 pmTwo very important things to watch:
http://www.warmadeeasythemovie.org/
“War Made Easy – How Presidents and Pundits Keep Spinning Us To Deathâ€
The most recent Bill Moyers interview: “Bill Moyers gets perspective on the role of impeachment in American political life from Constitutional scholar Bruce Fein, who wrote the first article of impeachment against President Bill Clinton, and THE NATION’s John Nichols, author of THE GENIUS OF IMPEACHMENT.â€
http://www.pbs.org/ moyers/ journal/ 07132007/ profile.html
This is the best, the most clearly articulated argument for the absolute NEED for impeachment proceedings being brought against Bush AND Cheney that I have heard yet. It is measured, educated, articulate, and unbiased. Bruce Fein was the person who wrote the articles of Impeachment against Clinton. Both arguments are in agreement and extremely compelling. This has to happen NOW! They lay out clearly all the reasons why.
If you haven’t watched this, PLEASE watch it. It is in two parts and lasts about 40 minutes. This isn’t about getting Bush and Cheney, this is about ensuring that the Constitution is preserved and showing that it can work like it should and must. The argument is for taking action NOW so that Bush and Cheney do not leave office with this terrible overreaching of power being the new precedent for future Presidencies – whether Dems or Repubs. John Nichols makes a very clear case for the fact that impeachment is not causing a crisis, impeachment is the strong medicine – the cure for the current Constitutional crisis. The founders of this country were wise in their creating of our Constitution. We need to let it work like it must for the protection of this nation and the preservation of the balance of government and the checks and balances that make the Constitution work.
July 15th, 2007 at 8:56 pmThey’ll make the “grounds†up. Nearly a day doesn’t go by, where sites like the Drudge Report, hype up some minor indiscretion from Iran, in an attempt to fan the fires for an attack on Iran.
Comment by JPV
exactly. Without even looking, I bet AIPAC has some “Iran out to get us” crap on their website.
Rice said last summer “This is the Birth Pangs of a New Middle East”. It is their plan to control all of the oil reserves with UAE and Saudi Arabia.
They’ll be going after Hugo next.
July 15th, 2007 at 8:59 pmDear Mr.Prez,
July 15th, 2007 at 9:00 pmI’m sure Dick Cheney will appreciate that, and the shareholders of Haliburton will be absolutely thrilled with the prospect.
Bush, Cheney, and their neocon allies promoted the misguided and destructive war in Iraq by targeting five core concerns that often govern our lives–concerns about vulnerability, injustice, distrust, superiority, and helplessness. Looking ahead, the continued occupation of Iraq–or a “preventive” attack on Iran–will likely be sold to us in much the same way. I examine these warmongering appeals–and how to counter them–in a new online video entitled “Resisting the Drums of War†available for viewing at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81UKnb5zJbM
July 15th, 2007 at 9:00 pmOn what grounds did we invade Iraq?
WMDs?
Yellow Cake?
Anthrax?
9/11?
or the oil field map Cheney and the Energy commision drew up right after taking office?
Downing Street Memo?
July 15th, 2007 at 9:01 pmI guess if Clancy was writing this script, Cheney would force Bush into attacking Iran and then some sort of terrorist (false flag) attack would eliminate the president leaving Cheney to invoke the new “National Emergency Directive” and declare martial law. No, thats to far fetched. Hell everyone knows these guys really want to get this lame duck administration over with so they can get back into private life and explain to everyone what really happen on September 11, 2001.
July 15th, 2007 at 9:02 pmWell. This will be the straw that broke the camel’s back. This is when people will finally rise in absolutely fury. You don’t kick someone when they’re down. And the American people are down. They just want Bush and Cheney to be over.
Attack Iran and people are going to go absolutely apeshit. The American people are raw and will not in any way whatsoever allow Iraq to happen again.
Attack Iran and watch the Republicans lose everything. I mean, they will be so far out of power they could have the least representation in 100 years.
I realize this doesn’t matter to Dick Cheney: as any psychologist will tell you, a sociopath will keep doing what they’re doing regardless of the consequences.
But a strike against Iraq will be the end of the Republican party for a long, long time.
July 15th, 2007 at 9:05 pmI meant, “a strike against Iran will be the end of the Republican party for a long, long time.”
July 15th, 2007 at 9:06 pmInteresting article here with a most interesting map (once you scroll down) of “The New Middle East” prepared by Lieutenant-Colonel Ralph Peters. It was published in the Armed Forces Journal in June 2006, Peters is a retired colonel of the U.S. National War Academy.
July 15th, 2007 at 9:07 pmhttp://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=4347
There is another map at the bottom with all US bases marked. Also shows the gas and oil pipelines.
I hope this administration does not think that the Iranians will be welcoming us as ‘liberators’ ;will be waiting for us with flowers invading their country.
That’s is what Cheney said few days before the start of the Iraq war in 2003 on ‘Meet The Press’.
Are we prepared for long lines of cars at gas stations as a result?!
July 15th, 2007 at 9:10 pmJust keep working on that legacy, Chimp.
July 15th, 2007 at 9:10 pmOnce they strike Iran we will already be committed and have to deal with it. You can’t put the Geni back in the bottle. This will be the thing (if it isn’t the economy collapsing first) that triggers the Presidential directive making George the real KING. Then watch and see what happens to the rest of our civil liberties and our Constitution. It will become irrelevent.
July 15th, 2007 at 9:10 pmThe article of impeachment against Clinton was absolute BULLS__T.
What the Bushies and the Cheneys and the other assholes want is total power over EVERYTHING, now what promises they made with China and Russia, North Korea, and others, in my opinion, more people will suffer.
July 15th, 2007 at 9:13 pm“We are an army at war, not a nation at war.” -Maj. Gen. Mark Hertling
Isn’t that an interesting remark?
There will be peace and security for America and it won’t be at the hands of the Republican party.
July 15th, 2007 at 9:13 pmJamie; They wanted Bush 41 to do this; and Reagan; and even Clinton.
It wasn’t about Iraq, as you know; or 9/11 or Al Qaeda.
It’s about one world government. It’s about about money.
They are not going to stop right on the edge of domination. If Cheney won’t push them into it, then they will get behind the impeachment movement, and replace him with someone who will.
Cheney is no sociopath. he is calculated and ruthless and now he knows he can’t survive till the next President takes office. He has to go into Iran. Or his own masters will feed him to the wolves.
July 15th, 2007 at 9:13 pmThe calculus is they will do anything and say anything to justify thrust of pax Americana over the Middle East and Central Asia to secure hegemony over its vast oil reserves while placating Israel’s insecurity complex.
July 15th, 2007 at 9:14 pmNo other nation can resist this machine. The only ones who can stop this are us and our Congress.
Question is; will they take it from us by force, or will we lay down.
July 15th, 2007 at 9:17 pmOnce they start bombing Iran and disrupt the flow of oil from there, oil will jump to $125/barrel and higher (this from people inthe industry). I have no idea how that translates into how many dollars a gallon at the pump, but it will be A LOT and that seems to me the way to milk every last dollar from every single American. The middle class and the poor will get a while lot poorer, and the people at the top will make a killing. That will be the collapse of our nation as we know it. Corporations will get rich but smaller businesses wil go bust. People won’t be able to afford driving their jobs or commuting to work. Prices of everything will skyrocket. It will affect everyone. People will find themselves unemployed in droves. This will be really, really bad.
July 15th, 2007 at 9:18 pmGas was $22/barrel when we attacked Iraq 6 years ago. This week it hit about $73/barrel, just to put this in perspective..
The carnage that looms, if we provoke a large-scale Muslim uprising, will be like nothing the world has ever seen.
Those who become rich off this war will one day look around, with money flowing from their pockets, and ask, “Where are all the malls?”
July 15th, 2007 at 9:20 pmIf we attack Iran, the Shia majority in Iraq is poised to attack and wipe out the 160,000 troops there.
The Vietnam death toll of 50000 will suddenly look SMALL in comparison.
And it will be BLOOD ON THE HEADS of TRAITOR Bush, the PNAC, and the AIPAC.
July 15th, 2007 at 9:22 pmOh Mr P???? When are you going to answer my questions from yesterday??? In case you’ve forgotten them I just cut and pasted from the thread i posted them on. Here ya go, Li’l Buddy!
My position is calculated and utilitarian, it is in the best interest of the USA, and those who are now considered “muslims,†for this nonsensical religion to:
a) undergo a MASSIVE make over (which is not likely)
or
b) for Islam to be abolished of the face of the earth.
Comment by Mr. President
You have this endlessly banal fantasy that your logic is implacable. Okay, tough guy, answer me this.
You’re quoting Osama Bin Laden to prove… ** snicker** … that Saudi Arabia ISN’T a Moslem country.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA… excuse me, I couldn’t help it. OBL? Bin Laden also hates Bush. So is he right on one count and wrong on the other? Just… asking…
“We did not find it difficult to deal with Bush and his administration, because it is similar to regimes in our countries – both types include many who are full of arrogance and greed.â€
Direct quote from… Osama bin Laden
So, ah, which is it?
In addition, oh Clueless One… whilst you’re so determined to prove how dangerous OBL is, The Great Deciderer has said he doesn’t even think about him! Shit, the CIA Unit dedicated to capturing Osama was even shut down in late 2005. OMG, shouldn’t you be upset w/ Herr Bru$ch???
On top of that, it was DEMS who just upped the reward money for his capture to $50MM YESTERDAY. NOT the GOOPERs, the DEMS!!!
What a F-ing maroon…. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — July 14, 2007 @ 9:21 pm
July 15th, 2007 at 9:22 pmmaybe they’re just looking at Iran as a “do-over”.
“Just give us another chance. We KNOW we can get it right THIS time.”
July 15th, 2007 at 9:22 pm“There are no nations. There are no Americas and Russians. There is only the rich and the poor”
from “Network” 1976.
July 15th, 2007 at 9:23 pmIf Bush/Cheney illegal attack Iran look for the Middle East to join Iran. The US lied to the UN about Iraq and if the US bombs Iran the other counties will look to support Iran. The US will be charged by the US for the illegal attack and the other countries will together stop the US. Yes the US will have to pay big time for any damage. If the elected officials allow it this country will we weak enough for anyone to take over. You have to hand it to Osama, he was right when he said the US would destroy itself. Osama Bin Ladin really studied the United States and the American people. He knew what the plan was and just set back and watch us fail.
July 15th, 2007 at 9:25 pmEven Putin is laughing at the stupidity and the idiot President. Cheney is robbing the US blind right under the noses of the American people. Yes some Journalist are paid to lie and the major TV news stations are getting their share. No wonder people around the world asked how Americans could be so dumb and not see what’s happening to our own country.
Has anyone read “Captains and the Kings” by Taylor Caldwell? My friend strongly suggested to me that I read it if I wanted to understand what is really happening in our history, our government and how the world works.. It is supposed to be fiction, but it is pretty unnerving. Quite an eyeopener.
July 15th, 2007 at 9:26 pmComment by JG
read much Chomskey?
July 15th, 2007 at 9:29 pmYou have to hand it to Osama, he was right when he said the US would destroy itself. Osama Bin Ladin really studied the United States and the American people. He knew what the plan was and just set back and watch us fail.
Comment by Jackie — July 15, 2007 @ 9:25 pm
He had an advantage, in that his family had first-hand understanding of the dolt who was placed in charge in 2000. From his perspective, it was probably a no-brainer.
July 15th, 2007 at 9:29 pmAnd what is the deal with Putin and the Arctic landgrab that is happening that the US MSM hasn’t written a single word about? How does that play into all of this???
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/worldnews.html?in_article_id=464921
It is aparently a cause for a lot of tension between Puting and Bush.
This too has to do with oil and gas.
July 15th, 2007 at 9:31 pmI guess Putin must be pretty grateful for all the global warming.. now it will be easier to get all his drilling equipment in there. But, where is Santa Clause supposed to move his workshop where he makes all the toys for good girls and boys??
It’s about overreach.
So, Cheney is the boil on this other-wise Coolidge-esque presidency. He should be impeached. Lanced, to keep to the metaphor.
Of course, Iran would be overreach. And Americans ought to know that this would be strike three and the end of the American Empire.
It would be like Napoleon invading Russia. The American military has been so degraded that they cannot meet their recruitment targets and the troops in Iraq/Afghanistan are bitter and demoralized.
In case you haven’t been following that other war, a British commander has declared it ‘lost’. The Taliban are back and Pakistan seems indifferent to the whole thing now. Canada has suffered casualties that have public opinion demanding our troops be withdrawn and the other NATO forces don’t want to go to the hot spots.
Iraq? Well, the UN mandate runs out 31 December 2007. Don’t expect Iraq’s parliament to ask the Security Council to renew it. What will happen then? Bush has resisted an orderly withdrawal, but what to do if al-Maliki gives the US its walking papers in December?
BTW, when the US authorized the military coup against Vietnam’s president Diem, Ho Chi Minh was shocked. He thought it was the stupidest thing the US could have done and guaranteed him victory. Diem was the elected president. It would have been better to tell him to stop persecuting Buddhists than overthrow him. The coup just made it clear to the people of South Vietnam that America consider them a colony. That’s the real reason US troops had to go in and do the job the South Vietnamese army stopped doing.
You understand that much of this sectarian violence is propagated by the Americans to justify their occupation. There will be a struggle to legitimize the government after the US leaves, but it will not be the bloodbath or the anarchy Bush is predicting.
Not unless Bush attacks Iran; then you can expect the end of the US military. Several generals & admirals have already made it known they’ll resign if ordered to attack Iran. Iran is BIG. Look at a map. It dwarfs Iraq and Afghanistan. Cheney has clearly gone insane.
July 15th, 2007 at 9:31 pmI guess it’s too much to hope that this is just some wag-the-dog hullaballoo, as the heat gets racheted up on the WH?
Damned mixed metaphors!
July 15th, 2007 at 9:32 pmWith what troops will the US attack Iran?
July 15th, 2007 at 9:34 pmAnd what is the deal with Putin and the Arctic landgrab that is happening that the US MSM hasn’t written a single word about? How does that play into all of this???
But, where is Santa Clause supposed to move his workshop where he makes all the toys for good girls and boys??
Comment by JG
Dude, there is no Sanity Clause!!
July 15th, 2007 at 9:34 pmWith what troops will the US attack Iran?
Comment by ann
The College Republicans???
July 15th, 2007 at 9:35 pmWith what troops will the US attack Iran?
Comment by ann
I read an article today about US forces building up air power in Iraq. They brought back the B-1 bombers. All of em.
They are going to carpet bomb entire cities. I can’t believe it. This is America we are talking about.
July 15th, 2007 at 9:37 pmDude, there is no Sanity Clause!!
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity
Cheney shot him in the face with a shotgun.
July 15th, 2007 at 9:38 pmBush is planning to leave office with Iraq in limbo….what does Iran matter in addition to that?
July 15th, 2007 at 9:40 pmPropaganda must affect the enemy’s policy and action.
Joseph Goebbels
July 15th, 2007 at 9:40 pmThere will be a struggle to legitimize the government after the US leaves, but it will not be the bloodbath or the anarchy Bush is predicting.
Comment by david — July 15, 2007 @ 9:31 pm
Interesting post, david. Thanks.
You make a good pint about the predicted blood-bath, but for me, the best reason to doubt that it will occur is that Bush is predicting it. He’s got a spotless record of being wrong.
I appreciate your comparison of Bush to Cooldige, and there are parallels between the two — Hoover, too. But in terms of personality, the president that Bush most vividly recalls for me is Warren G. Harding — another Republican, elected simply because people thought he looked “presidential”. (Noit that Chimpy has ever been accused of “looking presidential” — quite the opposite.) Harding’s feckless and incompetent administration was also overrun by corruption. However, he wasn’t in office long enough to do the damage that Bush has wrought.
July 15th, 2007 at 9:40 pmDeclassified, operational information must be available to implement a propaganda campaign
Joseph Goebbels
July 15th, 2007 at 9:42 pmI bought several books of his recently that are on my VERY tall stack of books to read. Haven’t gotten to his (Chomski’s) yet. I bought “Failed States” most recently. I was told it was very good. My husband has several of his books and really likes him. I will get to it.
I have only started reading political books in the last year and I am basically doing a crash course on my own trying to get myself up to speed. I feel like I have had an awakening. My husband has asked me to stop buying books for a while until I get through some of them. I probably bought 75 books now.. I can’t read them fast enough. The ones I have finished are all excellent. I need to take a leave of absence from my family and go to a deserted island somewhere with a steamer trunk full of books and come back when I finish.
The problem with learning so much, spending so much time investigating things on the internet, and being so much more aware of what is happening, I can’t stop thinking about it and I feel so strongly that I have to find a way to do something to bring about change or find a way to wake people up! Sort of like in the movie “The Matrix, there are days I kind of wish I had taken the blue pill.. (was it the blue pill or the red pill that kept you in Limbo)? It is frustrating watching what is taking place and not being able to do anything to right what is wrong.
July 15th, 2007 at 9:42 pmBush is planning to leave office with Iraq in limbo….what does Iran matter in addition to that?
Comment by ann
Bush apparently intends to leave office w/ as much of the Middle East exploding as possible. I shuder to think of the payback he is assuring this country.
July 15th, 2007 at 9:42 pmBush is planning to leave office with Iraq in limbo….what does Iran matter in addition to that?
Comment by ann
“The war is not meant to be won.” It is meant to be endless. An endless war against a faceless enemy.
July 15th, 2007 at 9:43 pmCheney shot him in the face with a shotgun.
Comment by willyloman
Willy, ’sup?
July 15th, 2007 at 9:44 pm(was it the blue pill or the red pill that kept you in Limbo)? It is frustrating watching what is taking place and not being able to do anything to right what is wrong.
Comment by JG
You got it right. The Red Pill is the one that keeps us up at night.
July 15th, 2007 at 9:46 pmWilly, ’sup?
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity
Same old thing. Talking about the end of days and the Global War of Us.
Thinking about Cheze Pufe and Chezy Stiffs
and watching my lazy dog sleep. You?
July 15th, 2007 at 9:48 pm“The vice-president, Dick Cheney, has long favoured upping the threat of military action against Iran. He is being resisted by the secretary of state, Condoleezza Rice, and the defence secretary, Robert Gates.”
I hope Condi is threatening to withhold her sexual favors if Bush chooses Cheney’s option.
Torn between two lovers. Poor Georgie.
July 15th, 2007 at 9:49 pmChimpy and Shooter: Let’s see… what else can we screw up?
July 15th, 2007 at 9:49 pmWhat if the goal in attacking Iran is simply to disrupt their flow of oil? You can do that with a purely attack with planes hitting strategic targets from ships in the gulf. That is without needing ground troops or needing to occupy Iran. They needed to occupy Iraq so that they could build all the bases like they did in Afghanistan. If you look at that map on that link I put earlier, there are bases surrounding Iran, along with the Gulf.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=4347
July 15th, 2007 at 9:50 pm“There are no nations. There are no Americas and Russians. There is only the rich and the poorâ€
from “Network†1976.
Comment by willyloman — July 15, 2007 @ 9:23 pm
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“We must also note that Engels quite definitely regards universal suffrage as a means of bourgeois domination.”
- V.I. Lenin “State and Revolution”
July 15th, 2007 at 9:50 pmhttp://www.globalresearch.ca/images/middleastmap.jpg
This is a better picture with all the bases. Not included in this map are all the bases we have built in Iraq.
July 15th, 2007 at 9:53 pmand watching my lazy dog sleep. You?
Comment by willyloman
Real close to watching my lazy self sleep. I’ve been working too many hrs and finally hit the wall this weekend.
One has the feeling that world affairs have spun past the point of non-violent correction. I have a bad feeling about all of this. Clearly Islamic extremists are dangerous people, but is Herr Bru$ch any better? I am very afraid we are heading for WW III at this point and we are rapidly reaching the fail safe point, so to speak.
Any more ugly behavior on the part of our resident trolls? Have any of the departed posters come back?
July 15th, 2007 at 9:53 pmBlack rather than white propaganda may be employed when the latter is less credible or produces undesirable effects.
Joseph Goebbels
They are not just battle cries. They want our very lives, and would exterminate our people and nation root and branch were we to surrender to their power. They agree on this, even if their individual opinions differ on this or that minor point. We must defend our existence in this war. We could not avoid this struggle for our national existence; it was forced on us, and any yielding to the enemy side would lead to weakness, and any weakness would lead to collapse.
Yup, J.G. again.
Just one more
Our enemies themselves have taught us what we must do in the decisive phase of this war. If they suggest we lay down our weapons and make a cowardly surrender, we respond with icy contempt. We know them too well not to know their plans. They will never throw us to the ground, never strike the sword from our hand. Never will we surrender our right to live in freedom and dignity as we ourselves wish. Whatever may come, we will stand upright through all the storms, working and fighting, filled with faithful confidence in the great historical mission that the Führer has given us.
July 15th, 2007 at 9:55 pmJG- watched the Bill Moyers special last nite online. What a case they make for the impeachment of Cheney/Bush. I would recommend it highly. Congress is so very spineless. I especially thought interesting how all of Bush’s manuevers outside of the law in the name of War on Terra, have been ineffective. They flaunt and break the law because they think they can. Set the example for future Presidents for years to come. Nail both of these pricks to the wall for their crimes.
July 15th, 2007 at 9:57 pmThe ongoing saga that is Iraq and the unbridled Executive power that Congress is complicit to are proof enough that it doesn’t matter what threat Iran actually poses, whatever action Bush/Cheney deem appropriate will be taken. Nor does it matter where the resources come from to fight or any other tangibles that rational people usually consider.
The extreme case scenerio that is touted as ‘a sure thing’ if we don’t do anything (as if that’s the only alerternative) ends up being fulfilled to the opposite extreme.
Lighting a fire to burn out an inferno always has the danger of backfiring.
July 15th, 2007 at 9:58 pmAny more ugly behavior on the part of our resident trolls? Have any of the departed posters come back?
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity
Actually most are back. Tired of Fighting came back last night on a thread.
Mr. President had a conversation with himself saying “I believe it wasn’t you”, and “Thank you so much”, and then “I know you’re not loney and pathetic”, and then “oh. you are too kind. and so smart”
Sad, really sad.
July 15th, 2007 at 9:59 pmChimpy and Shooter: Let’s see… what else can we screw up?
Comment by Pat — July 15, 2007 @ 9:49 pm
Seldom has someone captured our national political landscape so succinctly.
July 15th, 2007 at 10:00 pmMr Pee said indirectly
What Mr Pee fails to understand, since he is quoting Lenin’s opinion of Engels and not Engels himself, is that Engels did think a truly representative democracy would end bourgeois domination. Unfortunately, universal suffrage, as promoted in Britain, Europe and America, did not guarantee proportioinal representation. And, as we all know, it’s easier to be elected if you’re stinking rich than merely the son of a mill worker.
One can see this in the more progressive actions taken in those European countries where political parties enjoy proportional representation. Sadly, you will see in America apathy and despair among voters as the elected do what Wall Street and K Street tell them to and not what they promised the voters they’d do.
July 15th, 2007 at 10:01 pmIt is the out of control credit card mentality of this war crazy Administration. They don’t care how much it costs. They won’t have to worry about it after they leave because they have literally made a killing. Bush will retire in his 100,000 acre ranch in Northern Paraguay where they don’t extradite for political offenses or war crimes.
I quit wondering where all this money for the war was coming from a long time ago. These debts will come due at some point and this bubble (illusion of our economy) will burst.
I still want to know what happened to the $2.3 TRILLION that Rumsfeld and Zakheim couldn’t account for one day before 9/11.. Why was that NEVER investigated????
Like my husband says, we can’t be broke, we still have checks..
July 15th, 2007 at 10:04 pmBush Cheney attack Iran then watch nations stop buying US treasury notes to the tune of $2B per day and interest rates begin to rise – along with price of oil – to create economic havoc and hardship in US.
Then watch V for Vendetta play out real time in the US with citizens plus elements of US Army, Marine and National Guard to forceably remove these criminals from the WH and place them in jail.
July 15th, 2007 at 10:05 pmComment by david — July 15, 2007 @ 10:01 pm
You missed the point, again, david.
I am indirectly calling willyloman a Leninist/ wanna-be Stalinist.
July 15th, 2007 at 10:06 pmCongress needs to do something NOW to stop this madness. What does this insane person want, WWIII? Because that’s what he is going to start if we attack Iran.
Congress, start impeachment proceedings right now. That is the only way you will stop this mad man.
July 15th, 2007 at 10:10 pmThis morning while talking over coffee, my husband asked if I had realized that shortly after 9/11 people were being recruited by some new program in the government set up for people to spy on their neighbors and report them to the government. I can’t remember all the details of the conversation. That one I didn’t know about. Does anyone else remember that? He was reading Al Gore’s book “The Assault on Reason.
That one is straight out of “1984″.
July 15th, 2007 at 10:10 pmI am indirectly calling willyloman a Leninist/ wanna-be Stalinist.
Comment by Mr. President — July 15, 2007 @ 10:06 pm
Go ahead, A**clown, embarrass yourself some more. Feel like answering my questions, or are you afraid of looking even more like the fool you are?
And while you’re at it, please explain why willy is a wanna-be Stalinist.
(Back to this Stalinist stupdity…)
July 15th, 2007 at 10:11 pmBingo.
July 15th, 2007 at 10:12 pmI’ve decided to refine myself, and I have urged CT_V1 to try as well.
Thank you again.
Comment by Mr. President — July 15, 2007 @ 8:55 pm
I am indirectly calling willyloman a Leninist/ wanna-be Stalinist.
Comment by Mr. President — July 15, 2007 @ 10:06 pm
Another f*cking lie from a f*cking lying liar sack of sh!t.
A$$hole.
July 15th, 2007 at 10:13 pmAnother f*cking lie from a f*cking lying liar sack of sh!t.
A$$hole.
Comment by spit take
Whoa, spit take… don’t parse words here. Tell us how you really feel.
July 15th, 2007 at 10:15 pmComment by The Republic of Stupidity — July 15, 2007 @ 10:11 pm
I usually don’t read your posts as they are mostly full of cheese, as to willyloman and Leninism, trace my post back to the comment of his to which it refers.
July 15th, 2007 at 10:16 pmCoward.
July 15th, 2007 at 10:18 pmGot Gulf of Tonkin?
July 15th, 2007 at 10:21 pmStalinism is the political and economic system named after Joseph Stalin, who implemented it in the Soviet Union. It includes an extensive use of propaganda to establish a personality cult around an absolute dictator, as well as extensive use of the secret police to maintain social submission and silence political dissent.
WTF???? This sounds more like Bush and wiily…
As far as not reading my posts, you replied to several of them yesterday until I asked you some questions that you refuse to acknowledge. Some nonsense on your part about Saudi Arabia not being a Moslem country…
snicker… snicker… BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
Sorry, every time I think about it, it cracks me AGAIN!
SO, not only are you an intellectual fraud, you’re a liar and a coward.
July 15th, 2007 at 10:25 pmWell, we are getting closer to triggering a nukula war than ever. If attacked, Iran will unleash terra attackes and Dark Vader will of course, nuke Iran and Syria and of course, Pakistan will nuke us.
we are getting closer boys and girls…
July 15th, 2007 at 10:25 pm“They flaunt and break the law because they think they can. Set the example for future Presidents for years to come. Nail both of these pricks to the wall for their crimes.”
As long as Nancy Pelosi keeps Impeachment off the table, Chaney/Bush will continue to thumb their noses in the face of Congress and in the face of democracy.
Democracy:
government by the people; a form of government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised directly by them or by their elected agents under a free electoral system.
You will notice that this says “government by the people”. Well, “we the people” have allowed Chaney/Bush to steal our government from us and to do away with democracy in our country.
July 15th, 2007 at 10:25 pmMr. President hates me. He hates a lot of things.
In time, that hate will push him to the edge of a chair with a rope around his neck.
And all in all, it does nothing to effect anyone but himself.
He has exposed himself for all to see. And now he hides behind excuses and name jacking.
enjoy your last few years. you’re future is a cliche. one we have all seen before.
People in these rooms have tried to help you. But your hate and fear block your progress. it’s a small world where you are. And soon it will be smaller.
July 15th, 2007 at 10:27 pmAfter we attack Iran there will be no place in the world that US citizens will be safe.
July 15th, 2007 at 10:28 pmComment by The Republic of Stupidity — July 15, 2007 @ 10:25 pm
It’ll be O.K., TRoS, you’re special too.
July 15th, 2007 at 10:29 pmStalinism is the political and economic system named after Joseph Stalin, who implemented it in the Soviet Union. It includes an extensive use of propaganda to establish a personality cult around an absolute dictator, as well as extensive use of the secret police to maintain social submission and silence political dissent.
WTF???? This sounds more like Bush and wiily…
As far as not reading my posts, you replied to several of them yesterday until I asked you some questions that you refuse to acknowledge. Some nonsense on your part about Saudi Arabia not being a Moslem country…
snicker… snicker… BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
Sorry, every time I think about it, it cracks me AGAIN!
SO, not only are you an intellectual fraud, you’re a liar and a coward.
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — July 15, 2007 @ 10:25 pm
I’m afraid you took Mr D!ck-head Troll too literally. When he said “Stalinist” he didn’t mean, literally “Stalinist”, he simply meant “one who disagrees with me and whom I would like to demonize using sophisticated-sounding political language”.
July 15th, 2007 at 10:30 pmIt’ll be O.K., TRoS, you’re special too.
Comment by Mr. President
Hmmm… Still… no… answers…
I’m waiiiiting… tap… tap… tap…
July 15th, 2007 at 10:30 pmMr Pee is indirectly calling himself a “stupidist”.
July 15th, 2007 at 10:31 pmMr Pee is indirectly calling himself a “stupidistâ€.
Comment by RUCerious
part of being a “stupidist” is that you don’t know you are a “stupidist”.
July 15th, 2007 at 10:34 pmHmmm… Still… no… answers…
I’m waiiiiting… tap… tap… tap…
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — July 15, 2007 @ 10:30 pm
What is your question, and it better be objective?
July 15th, 2007 at 10:34 pmIran has already made it clear that the Straits of Hormuz would not be available for shipments of oil from the middle east if they are attacked.
July 15th, 2007 at 10:36 pmThey have the means to do this, no matter what the neocons tell you.
The economic disaster that others here have alluded to is real, and would likely play out with the US coming out short end of the deal all the way around.
This is not, repeat, is not something we can allow our government to do in our name.
I’d like to hear from any officer on board any of the ships standing off the Iranian border now.
Would you obey an order you know to be illegal, and begin the downfall of your country? Huh?
Not a chance. The House has already passed HR Con R 21 which is even worse than Lieberman’s war bill. ALL Dems except Kucinich voted for the House bill. ALL the Democraps in congress are now on record (except for the only man of integrity and morals, Kucinich) wanting to initiate yet another illegal war of aggression, in direct violation of Nuremberg Principle VI, against Iran. Don’t look to Pelosi for ANYTHING but criminality, murder, and more violations of the Constitution.
July 15th, 2007 at 10:37 pmWhile the differences between Washington and Tehran are threatening and growing, there are eerie similarities between presidents Bush and Ahmadinejad and their respective fundamentalist followers. For each, the strikingly analogous views regarding religious prophecy, second comings and the end of times may be pushing the United States and Iran inexorably towards war.
For the disturbing comparison, see:
July 15th, 2007 at 10:39 pm“Iran, Bush and the Second Coming.”
There is at least one who posts here who now realizes he must choose his words carefully or once again risk being exposed as the vile defiler of a dead soldier’s name and honor.
Please be patient in awaiting his responses.
July 15th, 2007 at 10:39 pmwhat would a democrat do if elected. you guys better Bush sends us to clean them up while he’s in office. I wouldn’t feel safe with some sissy ass liberal in office taking on Iran and Venezuela. Hech, you guys pretty much ant us to be communist and socialist just like Chavez’ country. And im sure you want all of the American to wearthose ugly ass headskirts. You guys should just all be anti-american muslims, you would fit right in
July 15th, 2007 at 10:40 pmthey also don’t tell you that Iran has been working the networks. They have deals with other countries. pakistan for one; n. korea, china maybe; Hugo Chavez; Russia? who knows.
Hell, with our overreaching, we could be invaded by Mexico if we get tied up in Iran, and there would be nothing we could do to stop it.
July 15th, 2007 at 10:40 pmEr, Egg… He can take his responses and insert them rectally, with a barbed wire plunger. He’s the lowest form of being.
July 15th, 2007 at 10:41 pmEgreggious. Hey there.
Did you post this?
1. Were you spouting lies, Salesman? Is that why you got zapped?
July 15th, 2007 at 10:43 pmComment by Egreggious
or was that yet another desperate namd jacking from our friend here?
July 15th, 2007 at 10:44 pmWhat is your question, and it better be objective?
Comment by Mr. President
F*ck you, you smarmy punk. “Objective”??? Do you have ANY idea how ridiculous that word sounds coming from you?
Yesterday, you tried to pretend I didn’t address this you, nor did I post it. Need me to go back and copy that too for you, Junior?
These are YOUR words, fool:
My position is calculated and utilitarian, it is in the best interest of the USA, and those who are now considered “muslims,†for this nonsensical religion to:
a) undergo a MASSIVE make over (which is not likely)
or
b) for Islam to be abolished of the face of the earth.
Comment by Mr. President
You have this endlessly banal fantasy that your logic is implacable. Okay, tough guy, answer me this.
You’re quoting Osama Bin Laden to prove… ** snicker** … that Saudi Arabia ISN’T a Moslem country.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA… excuse me, I couldn’t help it. OBL? Bin Laden also hates Bush. So is he right on one count and wrong on the other? Just… asking…
“We did not find it difficult to deal with Bush and his administration, because it is similar to regimes in our countries – both types include many who are full of arrogance and greed.â€
Direct quote from… Osama bin Laden
So, ah, which is it?
In addition, oh Clueless One… whilst you’re so determined to prove how dangerous OBL is, The Great Deciderer has said he doesn’t even think about him! Shit, the CIA Unit dedicated to capturing Osama was even shut down in late 2005. OMG, shouldn’t you be upset w/ Herr Bru$ch???
On top of that, it was DEMS who just upped the reward money for his capture to $50MM YESTERDAY. NOT the GOOPERs, the DEMS!!!
What a F-ing maroon…. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity
July 15th, 2007 at 10:44 pmI did.
I was being sarcastic. Your post got deleted, and I wanted to draw your attention to it. Why do you suppose it happened?
July 15th, 2007 at 10:45 pmwhat post was that?
July 15th, 2007 at 10:45 pmor was that yet another desperate namd jacking from our friend here?
Comment by willyloman
Wow, talk about ugly…
July 15th, 2007 at 10:45 pmWow. The hypocrisy, paranoia, and mob mentality here reminds me of the way Hannah Arendt describes Stalinist Russia.
July 15th, 2007 at 10:46 pmSalesman, I can fully understand why you thought my name might have been hijacked by some low-life scum who has no respect for those who are willing to die for our country.
July 15th, 2007 at 10:46 pmIt’s ok. That’s why I wanted to ask you. It seemed almost bold of him to jack your name after all this.
But what post got wiped out?
July 15th, 2007 at 10:48 pmSaleman, It was your first post about the Balfour Agreement thingy, though I don’t think you called it by name in that post.
July 15th, 2007 at 10:48 pmWell, this is yet another similarity between the US involvement in Vietnam, and the current occupation of Iraq.
Just like in SouthEast Asia four decades ago, the current occupant of the White House has decided to blame others for the destruction his own negligent action have brought to Iraq. What better scapegoat than a neighboring nation?
Military action against Iran will not help resolve Iraq’s civil war, just like the bombing runs ordered by Nixon against Cambodia did nothing to end the conflict in Vietnam. Broadening the scope of the US involvement in the MiddleEast will only cause more death and destruction, without bringing Pres Bush’s administration any closer to a resolution of the problem he created in the first place.
The Bush administration has yet to learn that the “Totaler Krieg, Kürzester Krieg” mentality didn’t work back then and it’s not likely to work now.
July 15th, 2007 at 10:49 pmWow. The hypocrisy, paranoia, and mob mentality here reminds me of the way Hannah Arendt describes Stalinist Russia.
Comment by Mr. President
Ah yes, more empty innuendo from someone who likes wearing his mother’s best dress wile posting. Back to the meaningless “Stalinist” slurs.
July 15th, 2007 at 10:52 pmYou’re right it is gone.
July 15th, 2007 at 10:52 pmYou’re right it is gone.
Comment by willyloman — July 15, 2007 @ 10:52 pm
It was a touchy subject. You may have ruffled some feathers.
July 15th, 2007 at 10:55 pmwhy would they do that?
it wasn’t ranting? it was fact based about history? WOW.
Holy crap, TP. Ace has been right all along.
July 15th, 2007 at 10:55 pmTP wipes out history if it ruffles feathers? Nice.
July 15th, 2007 at 10:55 pmMr. P. I apologize for thinking you were posting as Egreggious.
I should have known you wouldn’t look to open up that can of worms.
But you did what you did and you know it. till you come clean, you are scum and a coward.
But if I am wrong, I can admit it. and I did. so eat me.
July 15th, 2007 at 10:58 pmThe Bush Crusade: Drive Iran From Limbo to Hell
This is just too f*cked up. No more stalling on impeachment, someone buy Nancy the new table right now!
Willyloman, Wayne’s latest is up, when you get the chance to visit.
July 15th, 2007 at 10:59 pmIran is the next link in the neo con chain, and these whackjobs have no intention of slowing down now. I mean what are we gonna do; fire them? They have nothing to lose and another bazillion barrels of oil to gain. Hey, they are history’s actors. They create their own reality. Those of us stuck in the ‘reality based community’ can only watch while they create. He’s the Uniter, the Decider, the Commander Guy. Now, he’s the creator guy, like god.
The PNAC has done everything they can, and have been for 10 years. Here’s a paper written as a “memorandum to opinion leaders”. They help the deciders decide by telling them why they should decide it. It’s a public service of the PNAC
The PNAC, gives their view on Iran’s nukes:
Indeed, given how little we know, the intelligence community estimate is just as likely to be wrong as right when it comes to predicting Iran’s program. Remember, US intelligence on Iraq first missed how close Saddam was to having a bomb prior to the first Gulf War before overestimating Iraq’s wmd program in the run up to the second war. Interestingly enough, the Jerusalem Post reported yesterday that Israeli intelligence had also adjusted its estimates of Iran’s program. According to the paper, Israeli intelligence is now saying, “Iran will probably have a nuclear bomb by 2012, but could have the capability as early as 2008.†If Iran has a blueprint for a bomb in hand – which is not improbable given the already wide proliferation of a dependable Chinese design – then all that really remains to be done is for Iran to complete its uranium enrichment program.
· Third, lest we forget, one reason the Bush administration promulgated the possibility of military preemption in its strategic doctrine was the fact that, in this day and age, one could not count on timely warning of when states or terrorist groups might be on the verge of obtaining a devastating capability that puts America and its allies in serious danger. With denial and deception capabilities in our adversaries growing, and the seeming holes in U.S. intelligence’s collection capabilities, senior policymakers will rarely, if ever, be able to count on getting “date certains†to guide key decisions. All of which returns us to the fact that we have to keep an eye on the bigger picture: What kind of regime is Iran? What is the history we do know of its clandestine nuclear program? What are its avowed aims toward the U.S. and our allies? Why is it developing a ballistic missile warhead capable of delivering a nuclear weapon? And, last, what remains of its ties to and support for terrorists?
July 15th, 2007 at 11:01 pmIn other words; don’t let the smoking gun turn out to be a mushroom cloud!
But if I am wrong, I can admit it. and I did. so eat me.
Comment by willyloman — July 15, 2007 @ 10:58 pm
No need to ever apologize to that defiler of our troops again. It was an honest mistake you made, based on a clumsy post that I made.
July 15th, 2007 at 11:02 pm“Let the Mighty Eagle Soar…
Like it’s Never Soared before….”
Jane, I am reading, but mentioning that song got it stuck in my head. I damn thee Wayne.
“From Rocky Coast to
Sandy Shore…
Let the Mighty Eagle Soar”
Damn thee!
July 15th, 2007 at 11:03 pmComment by Egreggious
We’ll call it even. Zooey loves me more than you. i told her you were a field mouse with a little tiny keyboard.
July 15th, 2007 at 11:04 pmWilly, does that mean that you’re catching Wayne’s ‘tags’ on the pictures?
July 15th, 2007 at 11:06 pmhey, i didn’t notice that before. He has got to tell me how he does all that stuff.
No, in the body of the text, he makes reference to the song.
July 15th, 2007 at 11:09 pmOh, and let Wayne know that what Whittington did that got him shot in the face at close range was he took the last Miller Lite.
July 15th, 2007 at 11:11 pm“He has got to tell me how he does all that stuff.”
Comment by willyloman — July 15, 2007 @ 11:09 pm
He learned that part last night, ’cause the tags weren’t there yesterday. Pretty good, huh? (If I do say so myself!)
July 15th, 2007 at 11:17 pmWilly, does that mean that you’re catching Wayne’s ‘tags’ on the pictures?
Comment by Jane E. Schneider — July 15, 2007 @ 11:06 pm
Thanks for pointing that out. Very funny.
July 15th, 2007 at 11:17 pmWillyloman, here’s a present from Wayne: http://www.dtp-aus.com/
He says it’s a really good tutorial site.
Thanks, Egreggious!:-)
July 15th, 2007 at 11:21 pmFolks, CALM DOWN! Saddam Hussein’s there to keep Iran in check.
…oh, yeah…
July 15th, 2007 at 11:27 pmFirst of all, a bomb is not a threat.To have the knowledge of “a bomb” is not a threat.To have n power plants is not a threat.
July 15th, 2007 at 11:33 pmTo park three navel war groups in someones front yard may be considered a threat.
To continue to post pics of the paid clown with the scary scruffy face they say makes these threats is a joke.
There is no such thing as suitcase n bombs and we have to get over all this sludge coming from the media.
Hasn’t everyone figured out they helped maipulate the mental state that allowed this lack of administration to get us where we are?
And they will continue to mess with us if we continue to listen.
Don’t get distracted.
Cheney is mad.
Thank you Doctor Strangelove.
July 15th, 2007 at 11:34 pmCheney is legally and criminally insane.
Absolutely mad.
July 15th, 2007 at 11:35 pmCheney is legally and criminally insane.
Comment by BARTLEBEE — July 15, 2007 @ 11:35 pm
Nothing about Cheney is legal.
July 15th, 2007 at 11:36 pm“There’s no fighting in the War Room!”
July 15th, 2007 at 11:41 pmThis is pretty scary.
I mean, I grew up believing that, you know, smart folks and stuff were in charge, and everything was under control.
But now,… now I feel like Charlton Heston in Planet of the Apes.
:|
“it’s a maddddddd houssssssse.. a MADDDDDDDDDDD HOUSSSSE”
July 15th, 2007 at 11:42 pmSomeone tell Dr. Zaius that General Aldo’s at it again.
Its those damn Gorillas. Always with the war talk.
July 15th, 2007 at 11:45 pmSoon we will feel like Heston on the beach looking up at the remains of the Statue of Liberty.
July 15th, 2007 at 11:45 pmyou did it!… you finally did it you stupid bastards… you blew it up!!! Goddamn you to hell!!!!
July 15th, 2007 at 11:47 pmSorry.. got carried away.
But you’re right Willy.
Thats exactly what I was thinking. When its all over, there’ll be a couple of right wing inbreds locked in a bunker in the side of a mountain saying “hey I think we won…”.
Cheney’s is the freakin anti-christ.
July 15th, 2007 at 11:49 pmI don’t believe Cheney is insane, but he represents something that does not represent what this country stands for or wants. I think he has no conscience and if there is something that is truly evil, its name is Dick Cheney. I think he is dangerously brilliant and driven and nobody better cross him. I want to know where he gets his power, strength and (frankly) cover. I doubt this is all about him. I can’t begin to understand a personality like that that can cause so much destruction and devastation and still sleep at night. I think he has no remorse.
Again another book plug.. A book that helped a little to understand this personality is John Dean’s “Conservatives Without Conscience”. Though I don’t think even his book covers someone like Cheney. His mind is frankly criminal . He is one dangerous, scary guy. He knows and accepts no limits.
July 15th, 2007 at 11:54 pmI don’t believe Cheney is insane,
Comment by JG — July 15, 2007 @ 11:54 pm
Are you nuts?
lol.
Just kidding.
But I’m gonna have to disagree with you.
He’s got bats in the belfry. He’s mad. Around the bend. He’ s withdrawn into a paranoid world of private delusions and he’s got his finger on the button and he wants to push it.
He’s MAD I tell you…. MAD!
July 15th, 2007 at 11:57 pmOh God… the lst humans will be Mr. President and Michael!
oh dear god, they’ll BREED!
like frogs they can change sexes!
Oh my God! It will be planet of the Apes!
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
July 15th, 2007 at 11:58 pmJust because a man can tie a tie doesn’t mean he’s not mad.
Anyone who can causally discard the lives of tens of thousands, or worse, hundreds of thousands of people or even millions, is as batty as a belfry.
He’s taken a trip to the bahamas and he ain’t coming back.
July 16th, 2007 at 12:00 amAn attack on Iran will introduce the Russian\Chinese factor.
Then, if that escalates, all hells gonna break loose.
July 16th, 2007 at 12:02 amI just want to clarify something. When I said Cheney was brilliant, I didn’t mean it to be a compliment by any stretch of the imagination. I do not admire him. He is ‘devilishly’ brilliant in a very dangerous, destructive way that has to be stopped before he brings this country to its knees.
July 16th, 2007 at 12:02 amI think they are going to keep invading countries until they get one right. i mean they are 0 for 2 right now. trying to pitch his was out of a slump.
July 16th, 2007 at 12:03 amNow, I fully believe there is pathology and incompetence where Bush is involved. Agreed, “Bush On The Couch” is a must read. Wow..
July 16th, 2007 at 12:04 amIf he wa brilliant, he wouldn’t have gotton himself into situations where he had to create his own classification of secret to get away with stuff. He’s just bold. He doesn’t care what people think.
July 16th, 2007 at 12:05 amOh God… the lst humans will be Mr. President and Michael!
Comment by willyloman — July 15, 2007 @ 11:58 pm
There is something about the lower, simpler life forms that will allow them to survive even a nuclear holocaust.
These two probably reproduce by parthenogenesis. I find it hard to imagine a female with such lowered expectations and self-esteem.
July 16th, 2007 at 12:18 amI can’t help thinking it is a mistake to just accept they are swtupid and keep making mistakes. Falling back on claiming incompetence and blaming things on mistakes are a copout and too easy of a way out. It isn’t a crime to just be incompetent. It is a crime if you are conspiring to commit crimes in secrecy with and consciously breaking laws with a plan that people in this country are unaware of.
I can buy one guy or two being incompetent, but not ALL of them. I could buy ONE leader being crazy, but not BOTH or ALL of them. And what is up with CONGRESS? What is preventing them from fulfilling their duties to this country our laws, and the Constitution?
July 16th, 2007 at 12:18 amAnd what is up with CONGRESS? What is preventing them from fulfilling their duties to this country our laws, and the Constitution?
Comment by JG — July 16, 2007 @ 12:18 am
Maybe they’re the ones who are stupid.
July 16th, 2007 at 12:22 amComment by willyloman — July 15, 2007 @ 10:58 pm
Oh, well thanks willyloman, apology accepted, but as for your little witch trial accusations,
Go fuk yourself.
July 16th, 2007 at 12:28 ampathetic little coward.
July 16th, 2007 at 12:30 ampathetic
July 16th, 2007 at 12:30 amlittle
July 16th, 2007 at 12:30 amcoward
July 16th, 2007 at 12:31 amthat’s what I thought you would say
July 16th, 2007 at 12:33 amNice job, willyloman. I thought I supposed to be the troll.
July 16th, 2007 at 12:50 amA troll is an annoyance. A defiler of an innocent deceased soldier is less than pond scum.
July 16th, 2007 at 12:52 amNice job, willyloman. I thought I supposed to be the troll.
Comment by Mr. President
You are.
July 16th, 2007 at 12:52 am(psssst. i think he’s the leader of the Bee People. shhhhh)
July 16th, 2007 at 12:57 amYou are.
Comment by Zooey — July 16, 2007 @ 12:52 am
Oh yeah, willyloman and egregg are the one’s who tell lies that insult TP by claiming that “A defiler of an innocent deceased soldier” is still allowed to post as he please.
July 16th, 2007 at 12:58 amYou know what you did.
July 16th, 2007 at 1:00 amHave some limits been set on the defiler’s access to TP? I wasn’t aware.
July 16th, 2007 at 1:01 amapparently not.
July 16th, 2007 at 1:02 amComment by Egreggious — July 16, 2007 @ 1:01 am
Yes, his posts are deleted immediately
July 16th, 2007 at 1:02 amAs with the Plame leak, there was more than one guilty party in the defilement of Sgt. Sherman.
July 16th, 2007 at 1:05 amYes, his posts are deleted immediately
Comment by Mr. President
and how would you know that, Joker?
July 16th, 2007 at 1:05 amnice set up there Egreggious. very nice.
July 16th, 2007 at 1:06 amRepublic,
I’m not Mr. President.Vist my blog
http://www.umarlee.com
Comment by UMAR LEE
Ya know, pal, I could care less who you are, who you claim to be, who you fantasize you are, etc, etc, etc. Statements like the one you just posted are irrational as all get out, hateful, and intellectually dishonest.
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — July 14, 2007 @ 2:22 pm
http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/14/rice-iraqi-military/
Actually, strictly speaking “Umar Lee” (who is one of The Joker’s alias’s) was the one whose posts were taken down immediately.
However TRoS copied some in his responses to them.
Apparently the same thing happened later on that day but with the fallen soldier. I’m sure willyloman can tell you more because I did not a witness to that incident.
July 16th, 2007 at 1:09 amkeep trying to spin, liar. can’t change what you know. you have no respect for anything but your own little lie.
what you did was disgusting.
A little while ago you said you knew it was Umar and that you saw it.
Now the story is different.
you just keep talking. and forgetting the previous lies.
it’s easy for me to pick em out, cus I’m telling the truth.
That’s how it works.
July 16th, 2007 at 1:12 amComment by Egreggious — July 16, 2007 @ 1:05 am
Right… so now I’m supposed to take you seriously when you say that you care about the name of Sgt. Sherman being used to insult his friend and fellow soldier, Tired of Fighting???
It’s time for you and willyloman to talk about cheese stix or whatever, I don’t have to prove myself to you.
July 16th, 2007 at 1:12 amOh yeah, willyloman and egregg are the one’s who tell lies that insult TP by claiming that “A defiler of an innocent deceased soldier†is still allowed to post as he please.
Comment by Mr. President
I know you are not The Joker, Mr President. How is it that you have this particular problem? You have run rough-shod over this blog, posted racist and bigotted remarks, and abused almost every commenter here.
Are you really surprised that they don’t believe you?
July 16th, 2007 at 1:13 amAll people have to do is go back and read where you say you know it was Umar or Joker or whoever.
now you know nothing about it.
you are a liar.
and a coward.
July 16th, 2007 at 1:14 amAre you really surprised that they don’t believe you?
Comment by Zooey — July 16, 2007 @ 1:13 am
Well, at first I thought that they were serious. But now, I think they DO believe me, but are just being dickheads because they are childish.
I don’t have to defend myself to these idiots.
July 16th, 2007 at 1:16 amThere is no defense possible to one with no credibility and no ethics.
Now, I really mean it.
Where did I put that damn bed?
July 16th, 2007 at 1:17 amhe said two lines ago he knows nothing abot it, and yet just a few minutes ago he posted…
Yes, his posts are deleted immediately
Comment by Mr. President
So he knew something then, didn’t he.
and how would you know his posts are immediately deleted? unless you were posting them.
July 16th, 2007 at 1:17 amI don’t have to defend myself to these idiots.
Comment by Mr. President
So why does it matter to you?
July 16th, 2007 at 1:19 amyou see what he was trying to do when he thought we were gone?
“Comment by Egreggious — July 16, 2007 @ 1:05 am
Right… so now I’m supposed to take you seriously when you say that you care about the name of Sgt. Sherman being used to insult his friend and fellow soldier, Tired of Fighting???” by Mr. President
what a weasel.
July 16th, 2007 at 1:19 amYou just don’t get it. We do care about what was said about this Soldier. Do you understand, Mr. President? We do care, and so should you.
July 16th, 2007 at 1:21 amSo why does it matter to you?
Comment by Zooey — July 16, 2007 @ 1:19 am
It doesn’t anymore, but at first I was under the impression that they wanted to find out who actually did it, and now… well, I don’t really know what they want. Fuk ‘em.
July 16th, 2007 at 1:22 amThere is no defense possible to one with no credibility and no ethics.
Comment by Egreggious — July 16, 2007 @ 1:17 am
Excuse me,
I follow a strict Code of Efficks
July 16th, 2007 at 1:24 amComment by willyloman
Comment by Zooey
Can’t stay, just wanted to say Hi and Good night! =)
I was on the wrong thread apparently. lol
July 16th, 2007 at 1:24 amjust us here now. We are the ones who were there when it happened. Just us, Mr. President.
I told you what I wanted. Jane hinted at it.
You need to do the right thing here, man. Because disrespect like that is hurtful, even to a Soldier.
And I think, alot of these people around here want it behind them as well.
and whether or not you believe me, it is the best thing for you.
That’s what I have said. Thats what I meant. no mystery. then it’s over.
July 16th, 2007 at 1:27 amnight SGT Higgins. Good to see you.
July 16th, 2007 at 1:28 amHey Sarge, was going, wasn’t I? Have a great evening. :)
July 16th, 2007 at 1:28 amDubya and Cheney are not going to leave office, period. Not willingly. Not without being marched out at gunpoint. Get ready for the permanent state of emergency, folks.
July 16th, 2007 at 1:28 amBut that is between you, your keyboard, and Tired of Fighting.
i’m out.
good night
July 16th, 2007 at 1:30 amnight Zooey. dream of Cheze Pufes.
July 16th, 2007 at 1:30 amIt doesn’t anymore, but at first I was under the impression that they wanted to find out who actually did it, and now… well, I don’t really know what they want. Fuk ‘em.
Comment by Mr. President
This is what has come from your little troll collecting games. You encouraged them, and worked to be the “best” of them. I’m sure you’ve heard of karma.
All things will be well….
July 16th, 2007 at 1:31 amGoodnight willy, I really am out of here now. :)
July 16th, 2007 at 1:32 amGoodnight, Zooey, goodnight, Willy!
July 16th, 2007 at 1:38 amWow. The hypocrisy, paranoia, and mob mentality here reminds me of the way Hannah Arendt describes Stalinist Russia.
Comment by Mr. President — July 15, 2007 @ 10:46 pm
Wow. You’re the next Dennis Miller mr pee. Glad we could all help you hone your comedy act. Time to take your show on the road…
July 16th, 2007 at 2:25 amEven though it would be an absolutely crazy thing for the US to do, bombing Iran makes sense for BushCo on a lot of levels.
1) They’re probably desperate to return to the good old days when the adjective, “War President” was considered a compliment, instead of an insult.
2) It’s a great distraction, especially from Gonzales and the whole US Attorney scandal.
3) As the MSM tends to get all “patriotic” and worshipful of the Commander-in-Chief when we attack someone, Bush no doubt assumes that the pattern will repeat itself. See #1.
4) If we bomb Iran in 2008, there is the added benefit of putting the Democrats on the defensive. The old, “if you’re not for this war, you’re a wimp and a traitor” thang.
……….
The latest in robot attack planes is headed to Iraq. They don’t seem all that appropriate for “fighting terrorists” there. However, they would be perfect for bombing Iran.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-wires/20070715/iraq-air-surge-ii/
July 16th, 2007 at 3:47 amTime to take your show on the road…
Comment by !!!!!!!!!!!!! — July 16, 2007 @ 2:25 am
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I tried Crooks and Liars, but the FASCISTS over there weren’t ready for a truth-teller, like me.
July 16th, 2007 at 5:51 amMight not a strike in Iran result in them sending (thousands) of ground forces into Iraq as a counter-strike? What will happen to our troops then?
July 16th, 2007 at 8:18 amI tried Crooks and Liars, but the FASCISTS over there weren’t ready for a truth-teller, like me.
Comment by Mr. President — July 16, 2007 @ 5:51 am
So they don’t like what YOUR truth has to offer. It hasn’t seemed to provide YOU any peace of mind…
Here’s a powerful truth referenced in and old text:
July 16th, 2007 at 8:32 am“Ye shall know the TRUTH and the TRUTH shall make you FREE” – John 8:32
That sounds like a truth worth attaining… perhaps you’ll share your insights on this one with us…
This is little comfort to our troops which will give their lives for this mess.
July 16th, 2007 at 10:31 amI tried Crooks and Liars, but the FASCISTS over there weren’t ready for a truth-teller, like me.
Comment by Mr. President
Heh. I knew that was you.
C&L doesn’t put up with disruptive nonsense — i.e. YOU.
July 16th, 2007 at 11:41 amPresure needs to be put on Pelosi & Reid to put impeachment on the table. Let’s end this train wreck!
http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07132007/profile.html
July 16th, 2007 at 12:41 pmDon’t ANY of these fools (politicians) read their history? THey should brush up on the Russo-Japanese war of 1904. Russia thought it would be a “Short Victorious War†against the Japanese. Lots of parallels, Established Great Power (Russia) stopping emerging Regional Power (Japan) over so-called essential to their survial (Russian) economic needs. Japan was modernizing and the Czar’s were looking to boost their popularity by kicking some lesser nations butt. Well they got their heads handed to them which was the final straw as far as the general population was concerned and the Revolution litterally handed them their heads..ahh if only it would work that way NOW!.
July 16th, 2007 at 2:53 pm