Kristol: ‘We’re Not In A Civil War’ In Iraq, ‘This Is Just Not True’
Kristol: ‘We’re Not In A Civil War’ In Iraq, ‘This Is Just Not True’
Approximately one year ago — in an August 2006 appearance on the Charlie Rose show — Bill Kristol acknowledged that Iraq was teetering on the edge of civil war, stating: “It is true that we are at risk of a sectarian civil war there, and I’m extremely worried about that. I don’t quarrel about that.”
Since Bush adopted his escalation strategy earlier this year, Kristol has turned to defying the reality of the situation on the ground in Iraq in order to justify the troop increase. Today, on Fox News Sunday, Kristol argued that the violence in Iraq does not constitute a civil war:
We’re not in a civil war. This is just not true. American troops are attacking al Qaeda. They’re attacking some elements of the Shi’a militias. They’re doing other things, helping with reconciliation. They are not in the middle of a civil war. It’s not true.
Watch it:
As sectarian violence has increased, multiple U.S. intelligence sources have acknowledged the civil war. In January, the National Intelligence Estimate said, “the term ‘civil war’ accurately describes key elements of the Iraqi conflict, including the hardening of ethno-sectarian identities, a sea change in the character of the violence, ethno-sectarian mobilization, and population displacements.” In March, the Pentagon for the first time said the violence in Iraq constituted a civil war.
Former Secretary of State Colin Powell explained, “I have characterized it as a civil war even though the administration does not call it that. And the reason I call it a civil war is I think that allows you to see clearly what we’re facing. We’re facing groups that are now fighting each other: Sunnis vs. Shias, Shias vs. Shias, Sunni vs. al-Qaeda. And it is a civil war.”
UPDATE: More Bill Kristol delusions. In an op-ed in the Washington Post, he writes “Why Bush Will Be A Winner.”
UPDATE II: Atrios has more.
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July 15th, 2007 at 10:59 amwrong again Bill
July 15th, 2007 at 10:59 amWould that we could also remove the lickspittle liar pundits from office too.
July 15th, 2007 at 10:59 amAt least in our own Civil War, we didn’t have Mexico and Canada crossing the border to fight.
July 15th, 2007 at 11:01 amUntil Congress moves to impeach (and, hopefully imprison) Bush and Cheney, these asshats will continur to peddal their fiction without fear of repercussion.
Just saw Webb and Graham on MTP: Web shoul have kicked his little white bread ass.
July 15th, 2007 at 11:01 amJake: allow me to be the first to rue your participation here, and to insist you STFU. Dickweed.
July 15th, 2007 at 11:02 amIf you’re going to drink the Koolaid, you might as well drink the whole pitcher.
July 15th, 2007 at 11:03 amKristol is living in BizarroWorld. There is no justifying the death surge.
July 15th, 2007 at 11:05 amDid anyone see the fireworks on Meet the Press between Jim Webb and Lindsey Graham?
That was one of the most heated debates I’ve seen on Meet the Press in a long time.
July 15th, 2007 at 11:06 amdoes anyone have contact info for this delusional person?
July 15th, 2007 at 11:06 amHopefully TP will put up a clip.
As for Bill Kristol, he’s still allowed on TV?
July 15th, 2007 at 11:07 amAnd because the almighty Mr. Kristol says it, then it must be true.
Why does anyone allow this fool a forum to spout his garbage. Doesn’t he know that 72% of the people in this country disagree with him? Does he care. Obviously not, just like the Bush Crime Family doesn’t care what “we the people” (the people part of democracy) think about anything.
July 15th, 2007 at 11:07 amWouldn’t a new category be more applicable after so much evidence?
Media, raving
July 15th, 2007 at 11:08 amthis guy will say anything won’t he?
July 15th, 2007 at 11:09 amNooo, of course it isn’t a civil war. Why, those people shooting rockets at each other? They just haven’t figured out fireworks yet! See! They are celebrating! /Sarcasm.
July 15th, 2007 at 11:11 amLook at the rest of them when he is saying that. There was a time when anything this guy said was taken as gospel…now they look at him as if he has the plague.
July 15th, 2007 at 11:11 amI propose we drop Bill Kristol into Iraq, to talk Al Quaida to death.
One week of listening to this pussfilled cyst drone on and on about truth, justice and his american way, will undoubtedly cause Al Quaida and the insurgency (everybody in Iraq not in Al Quaida) to cut their own heads off, thus giving us unprecedented victory.
July 15th, 2007 at 11:12 amBill Kristol’s mind is a cesspool of delusion and religion-based contempt. I wish his mouth would grow shut.
July 15th, 2007 at 11:12 amAs for Bill Kristol, he’s still allowed on TV?
Comment by BARTLEBEE
he only exists on tv. hes a CG monster. Apologist the Enabler! evil twin to Dick the Cheney. (both evil. not a good childhood)
July 15th, 2007 at 11:13 amHe’s quite mad, you know.
July 15th, 2007 at 11:14 amLet’s see, whom do I believe?
Bill Kristol OR the National Intelligence Estimate, the Pentagon, and (belatedly) the Former Secretary of State Colin Powell?
Oh yeah, HARD choice! Go lie to someone else, LYING Bill Kristol!
July 15th, 2007 at 11:15 amzero credibility.
July 15th, 2007 at 11:15 am“Did anyone see the fireworks on Meet the Press between Jim Webb and Lindsey Graham?
That was one of the most heated debates I’ve seen on Meet the Press in a long time.
Comment by BARTLEBEE”
Thanks so much for this “heads up”. I’m Tivoing it as we speak.
I love Jim Webb. He is one of the most reasoned and intelligent people we have in government today. I hope that whomever ends up as our presidential candidate considers Webb as a running mate. How about a Gore/Webb ticket. Wouldn’t that be something!
July 15th, 2007 at 11:18 am“At least in our own Civil War, we didn’t have Mexico and Canada crossing the border to fight.”
LOL… Is this the best you can do? According to the actual evidence, foreign participation in this conflict is marginal at best. Remove it, and you would still have a civil war, which makes this comment of yours entirely irrelevant. Gee, what a surprise.
Back on topic: Man, I wish that the various news organizations would actually pay attention to what the people they give airtime to actually said and predicted, and subsequently compared it to reality. Those pundits and “experts”, like Kristol, who have a long history of being wrong on, well, everything, would be relegated to 3 a.m. radio shows or shown the door.
Of course, if they did this, 75% or more of the people that the news media have given time to over the past six years would be gone from our national discourse forever.
July 15th, 2007 at 11:18 amHe’s quite mad, you know.
Comment by James Bond
He’s mad, mad, mad! Mad as a hatter! Stark raving, fruit loops, cu-cu for cocco-puffs, off the deep end, round the bend, talking to himself, tin-foil hat wearing….mad!
did I mention he is mad?
July 15th, 2007 at 11:18 amOne thing you will never, ever hear a neo-con say: “I made a mistake, and take responsibility for the consequences of my actions.”
They are constitutionally incapable of self-criticism. They are sociopathic narcissists, every last one of them.
July 15th, 2007 at 11:19 amComment by PaulB
exactly. unfortunately, my ex-hero Mathews would be right out the door with them. I can’t even watch him drooling over Thompson anymore.
July 15th, 2007 at 11:21 amCheck out the comments at the Post site:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ wp-dyn/ content/ article/ 2007/ 07/ 13/ AR2007071301709_Comments.html
Every one I’ve read is slamming Kristol.
WHY does MSM listen / give a platform to this sycophant??????
July 15th, 2007 at 11:24 am#26: Why would anyone want to publicly admit a failure or a wrongdoing? That’s just silly. It doesn’t benefit you in any way.
That doesn’t mean that we’re incapable of self-criticism. What do you think happened before we took over the Congress in 1990s?
July 15th, 2007 at 11:24 am“‘We’re Not In A Civil War’ In Iraq.”
A very true statement. If the US were in a civil war it would be, by definition, in the US. The US just happens to have a military presence in Iraq during a bloody Iraqi civil war that may be of bushco’s doing but is none of our (true American citizens–not neocons) concern.
July 15th, 2007 at 11:25 amWhat do you think happened before we took over the Congress in 1990s?
I give up, what happened?
July 15th, 2007 at 11:26 am“…unfortunately, my ex-hero Mathews would be right out the door with them. I can’t even watch him drooling over Thompson anymore.”
Comment by willyloman — July 15, 2007 @ 11:21 am
I’d like to see them sic David Schuster on Crystal!
July 15th, 2007 at 11:27 amLindsay Graham like his state is trash. Sherman should have left nothing standing.
July 15th, 2007 at 11:27 amI can make out burns from the crack pipe on his lips, I swear I can…
July 15th, 2007 at 11:27 am#31: We analyzed our previous failures and based on that analysis developed the strategy you can find in Gingrich’s Contract With America. It won us a decade as a majority party in Congress.
Cheney, Rumsfeld and Rove also learned a lot from Nixon’s failure to fight to the end for the unitary executive. Won’t happen again.
July 15th, 2007 at 11:29 amLindsay Graham will be outed by Flynt soon. You know he is on the list. How would you like a US Senator with a diaper fetish. Pukes are such hypocritical trash.
July 15th, 2007 at 11:30 amKristol is the poster boy for the corporate media. He’s looking more bloated, pasty, and dried up these days, and maintains that smirk that seems to be the official facial expression of the Republican party.
July 15th, 2007 at 11:30 amIt’s NOT TV, it’s Fox. Lil’ Bill gets it wrong again, but Fox has made a comfy little home. His ideas are kinda like having a 2 inch pecker. It may work around his house, but you can’t take it on the road.
July 15th, 2007 at 11:32 amYou know, I really hate this guy. He’s so far gone I really think he should be locked away in a rubber room.
July 15th, 2007 at 11:32 amBill, may I have what ever you’re drinking?
July 15th, 2007 at 11:32 amBill Kristol is the Sunday morning joke. Every week he has something even more idiotic thansthe week before. Today his item in the Post is so delusional, that his closest friends should have performed an intervention.
Willyloman, Chris Matthews is unfit as a respectable journalist. He has reduced himself to gossip about people’s sex, their looks, their smells, and such meaningless trash — I agree with you: he’s hard to watch any more.
Jane E. S. , I am liking David Schuster even more as time goes on. He is a journalist; he reports facts and he has challenged the fabricators.
July 15th, 2007 at 11:32 amI’d like to see him instead of, let’s say, Tucker Carlson, on MSNBC.
As much as I find Matthews hard to take, Carlson is positively repulsive.
Whats happening here, is the right wing is getting desperate.
Like a wounded animal backed into a corner, they’re lashing out in anger and fear. If you say Lindsey Graham ignorantly lashing out at Jim Webb (the only one of the two who had ever fired a shot at the enemy, or been shot at in combat) as he lectured Webb on Iraq, and how he had been there and Webb had not, so therefore he knew better.
The right wing is backed into a corner and they are severely wounded, which makes them more dangerous than ever.
We have seen over and over how the terror alerts have always coincided with damage to the right wing, whether to Bush or the party as a whole.
Now, when they are at there lowest, is it any wonder that “suddenly”, Osama Bin Laden is back, to frighten us all back into crawling under the skirts of the right wing?
Watch your backs America.
The right wings scared, and in serious trouble.
And that means terror threats, and attacks.
July 15th, 2007 at 11:34 am# 33, Mike. I have lived in SC for 22 years and you are dead on right. State motto is “Thank God for Mississippi”.
July 15th, 2007 at 11:34 am#26: Why would anyone want to publicly admit a failure or a wrongdoing? That’s just silly. It doesn’t benefit you in any way.
I watched Bill Moyers Journal last night online and it showed WJC apologizing (over and over again) to the nation for his actions concerning the Monica affair. It seemed to me not to affect him. Made him seem more human, actually.
Kristol (aka Smithers) is a Bush Administration shill. He will never talk about anything King George the Insecure has done to trash the constitution. That will be his legacy.
July 15th, 2007 at 11:35 amI can make out burns from the crack pipe on his lips, I swear I can…
Comment by Vato — July 15, 2007 @ 11:27 am
Actually I think those are friction burns, if you get my drift.
:O
oops… did I say that outloud?
July 15th, 2007 at 11:35 am# 29 - Comment by Drinkin’ and stinkin’ — July 15, 2007 @ 11:24 am
Before I take you on, “Drinkin’ and stinkin’”, are you just parodying the average NeoCon troll?
If not, this smack-down is meant for YOU:
“…before we took over the Congress in 1990s…” “WE?”, Drinkin’ and stinkin’ ?
Drinkin’ and stinkin’ = EVERY NeoCon in Congress = Drunk, Stinking, and Unwilling to publicly admit a failure or a wrongdoing.
NOW, back to the Topic: Bill Kristol is just another a lying, NeoCon whore.
July 15th, 2007 at 11:37 amcheck LAT report re Saudi involvement in Iraq.
July 15th, 2007 at 11:40 am* Feb. 7, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, to U.S. troops in Aviano, Italy: “It is unknowable how long that conflict will last. It could last six days, six weeks. I doubt six months.”
* March 4, Air Force Gen. Richard Myers, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, at a breakfast with reporters: “What you’d like to do is have it be a short, short conflict. . . . Iraq is much weaker than they were back in the ’90s,” when its forces were routed from Kuwait.
* March 11, Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz, in a speech to the Veterans of Foreign Wars: “The Iraqi people understand what this crisis is about. Like the people of France in the 1940s, they view us as their hoped-for liberator.”
* March 16, Vice President Cheney, on NBC’s Meet the Press: “I think things have gotten so bad inside Iraq, from the standpoint of the Iraqi people, my belief is we will, in fact, be greeted as liberators. . . . I think it will go relatively quickly, . . . (in) weeks rather than months.” He predicted that regular Iraqi soldiers would not “put up such a struggle” and that even “significant elements of the Republican Guard . . . are likely to step aside.”
* Pat Robertson: “He was just sitting there, like, I’m on top of the world, and I warned him about this war. I had deep misgivings about this war, deep misgivings. And I was trying to say, ‘Mr. President, you better prepare the American people for casualties,’ ” Robertson said.
“Oh, no, we’re not going to have any casualties,” Robertson quoted Bush as saying. ” ‘Well,’ I said, ‘it’s the way it’s going to be. . . . The Lord told me it was going to be, A, a disaster and, B, messy.’ “
July 15th, 2007 at 11:41 amOf course we’re not in a civil war. The rest of us have gone MAD!
DemocracyInteractive.com
July 15th, 2007 at 11:41 ami really do wish think progress would cease giving exposure to this sad excuse for a human being… if you go back and count up the number of times think progress has posted on bill kristol, i think you would come up with a surprisingly large number… sure, i suppose an occasional post is warranted, but not to this degreea… by focusing so intensely on somebody like this, even though it’s in a negative context, creates the impression that he has more influence than he does, and, in fact, may actually GIVE him more influence than he deserves…
And, yes, I DO take it personally
July 15th, 2007 at 11:42 amthe Atta-Prague rumor was disproven, and was doubted at the time it was relayed, over the objection of analysts.
The most likely Prague-Atta rumor sources, aside from the discredited curveball, would come from a PR firm.
Hill & Knowlton, the UK firm, had offices in Prague that did other publicity work for governments, businesses, and NGOs.
Hill & Knowlton has several offices in areas directly linked to the false flag war evidence, including Rome, Vatican City, and Niger.
Hill & Knowlton had an office in Niger when the UK embassy was not even there, and Hill & Knowlton did the embassy’s PR when it was there.
The next link to search would be Hill & Knowlton contacts with Michael Ledeen and EU energy minister de Palacio. The two men worked think tank appearances together, have done speaking engagements for AEI, and de Polacio is a Bilderburg signee.
The EU energy minister was the false verification/indy confirmation that let the OSP/WHIG end run procedure and override analysts with the DoE and DCI who doubted the Niger forgery.
July 15th, 2007 at 11:43 amPLEASE DO NOT FEED THE TROLLS!
July 15th, 2007 at 11:43 amKristol is not a sychophant. He has a vested interest in this war — its called oil. Kristol and Perle are analogous to the German capitalists who sat back and reaped profits while a demagogue attacked free standing nations, rounded up “suspects”, tortured, and led a major propaganda effort at dehumanizing a race of people. Everyone talks impeachment — but the underlying issue is war criminality — and the Neo-Con/Halliburton slough of Capitalists are up to their necks in malfeasance, corruption, murder, ect. If we as a people are to ever stand up with a sense of moral strength again, it will be necessary to prosecute these people — in a world court.
July 15th, 2007 at 11:46 amKatie. Please stop spamming each thread with that. Everybody knows that we shouldn’t be fed, but they do it anyway because they like to play with us.
July 15th, 2007 at 11:46 am#26: Why would anyone want to publicly admit a failure or a wrongdoing? That’s just silly. It doesn’t benefit you in any way.
If the GOP can’t come to grips with with Bush’s record of total failure, it could be over for them for the next 30-40 years. Bush’s Iraq nightmare and its aftermath will prove to be a major national trauma.
One question is, will Republicans on the Hill, to save the party (i.e., their own sorry asses), evict Bush and Cheney? Or will the GOP further alienate reasonable voices from the party?
July 15th, 2007 at 11:47 am“If it had not been for Iraq, I think we’d be better off on the war on terror”
Pat Robertson
July 15th, 2007 at 11:47 am7-15-07
i really do wish think progress would cease giving exposure to this sad excuse for a human being
Out of sight, out of mind? Very progressive…
July 15th, 2007 at 11:47 amKristol is still waiting for General Wenck to rescue the Berlin bunker.
July 15th, 2007 at 11:48 am“Any day now.”
Kristol lies every Sunday on FOX news, so just ignore the dirty Neocon.
July 15th, 2007 at 11:49 amBill Kristol: Just another a lying, NeoCon whore.
July 15th, 2007 at 11:49 amWhen Der Bushie says, “We are the Master Race!”
We heil, sieg heil, right in Herr Bushie’s face.
We bring the world new order.
Heil Bushie’s new world order.
Everyone one of every race
Will love Der Bushie’s face
When we bring the world disorder.
Brrrrp! Brrrrp! Brrrrrp!
July 15th, 2007 at 11:54 amYou can be arrested for yelling “fire” in crowded theater.
Lying in many cases is not illegal but the crime here is in misleading people into believing they’re in mortal danger. People trying to escape this perceived danger could easily be injured or killed.
Shouldn’t a person also be arrested for yelling “everything’s going great” in a disastrous slaughter with no escape?
If a single man or woman went to Iraq because they were convinced by Kristol’s pony filled vision of reality there, I would think manslaughter charges would apply.
July 15th, 2007 at 11:58 amDRAFT THE RICH.
July 15th, 2007 at 12:05 pmUnfortunately you are right about that. And that is why this forum is getting impossible to read. But, I’ll keep spamming the threads trying to remind the people who want to contribute to the discourse on this forum that feeding you jerkoff’s is what keeps you here.
July 15th, 2007 at 12:15 pmDRAFT THE RICH.
Comment by trippin
Thats the only way to stop the occupation. For sure.
July 15th, 2007 at 12:16 pmOff topic.
July 15th, 2007 at 12:21 pmThis satire by Roger Ebert should amuse anyone who despises Ann Coulter.
Unfortunately you are right about that. And that is why this forum is getting impossible to read. But, I’ll keep spamming the threads trying to remind the people who want to contribute to the discourse on this forum that feeding you jerkoff’s is what keeps you here.
Comment by Katie — July 15, 2007 @ 12:15 pm
Katie.
With all due respect, enough already.
Did you see Jim Webb on Meet the Press this morning? We’ve cowtowed to the right for far too long. Thats why we’re in the mess we’re in today. Because people like you want us to “just ignore them and hope they’ll go away”.
Well they don’t go away. They just take over.
Don’t be a surrender monkey.
FIGHT the RIGHT.
Never give an inch.
July 15th, 2007 at 12:29 pmBill Kristol proclaimed last Monday that the surge is working “better than expected.” A chickenhawk himself who never served in the military, Kristol offered President Bush some martial advice in warding off his surge critics:
“When you find yourself in an ambush, attack into the ambush. Don’t twist and turn in the kill zone, looking for a way to retreat. Especially when the ambush is not a powerful one, and the Democrats’ position (to mix military metaphors) is way overextended.”
For the details, see:
July 15th, 2007 at 12:29 pm“Iraq Surge Wins Rave Reviews.”
Nobody has answered the question I pose every week after they post another lie from this low life thug, What has Kristol been right about in the past six or seven years? Especially concerning Iraq? The answer is nothing and any other reply is a damned lie.
The PNAC is made up of crooks, liars and cowards who have never served in the wars they propose and support.
July 15th, 2007 at 12:31 pm“Well they don’t go away. They just take over.
Don’t be a surrender monkey.
FIGHT the RIGHT.
Never give an inch.
Comment by BARTLEBEE”
We are talking about TROLLS here. The reason why they don’t go away is because people like to play with them. I firmly believe that is the sole reason why a lot of people here post to this forum. They think it somehow makes them more relevant if they can put down a troll.
I don’t think that feeding the trolls adds to the discourse in any way. It is actually a big distraction that has probably caused a lot of intelligent people to abandon this forum. I know that I have been thinking about finding somewhere else to post. Frequently I don’t get to a thread until after there are 100+ posts because I work full time. Then when I start reading comments, I get to about the 20th comment and see that the thread has become nothing more than a “let’s play with the trolls” thread. If you think this is a good thing, I don’t know what to say to you.
July 15th, 2007 at 12:34 pmListen to Katie…don’t feed the bottom dwellers, the knuckle dragging, bootlicking, troglodyte morons. They are looking for attention. Playing with them is giving them what they want.
July 15th, 2007 at 12:45 pmConcerning troll-baiting:
I would like those of us who have a little trouble resisting the trolls to joi me in a pledge not to engage them for the first 75 posts of a thread in off-topic conversation. This gives some time for some serious on-topic discussion, while also allowing for the delayed fun of bashing the trolls. I know it’s a little silly, but it could be a middle ground that people could agree to. Such an agreement would be purely voluntary.
I’ve struggled with the issue of censorship after the Tired of Fighting incident the other day. I wonder if TP might consider two comment threads, one more or less unmoderated, and another that was either “members only” or heavily moderated. Such a structure would allow everyone to speak, but allow us to choose which we’d rather read and contribute to.
July 15th, 2007 at 12:47 pmTP should have some kind of registration to help censor the trolls.
July 15th, 2007 at 12:49 pm“The sky is not blue, that simply is not true!
Just look at it after the sun sets and you will see that it is not blue.”
Kristol responding to the childs question, why is the sky blue.
July 15th, 2007 at 12:53 pmi’m with katie on this also…
i’ve actually responded directly to a couple of them recently, considering there might be an educated dialog, a thoughtful reply at the least…
nada…
i’m all for calling out the lies and pushing back against misinformation,
but that na-na-na-boo-boo shit is tiresome…
it shows no intelligence or thoughtfulness…
it’s back to stepping around the poop for me…
July 15th, 2007 at 12:57 pm…
Free speech still has value. Even trolls have that right. The price of a free society includes listening to them. Most of the engagement with them, however, on almost any blog, is as puerile as the trollish comment itself. That, to me, is the bigger nuisance. If their comment furthers no argument, but merely reveals a relative baseness or obfuscation, why respond? But when positions are posed that can be legitimately responded to, they should be responded to. It’s pretty simple. We can all empathize with Katie’s concerns — but the notion that a “pledge” is needed on how best to engage seems in itself trollish. Half this thread has been engaged on that topic itself — so who is doing the hijacking?
July 15th, 2007 at 12:59 pm—-
More Bill Kristol delusions. In an op-ed in the Washington Post, he writes “Why Bush Will Be A Winner.â€
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I’m glad Kristol finally acknowledges that Bush is presently a Loser.
- Tom
July 15th, 2007 at 1:12 pmHalf this thread has been engaged on that topic itself — so who is doing the hijacking?
Comment by thersitz — July 15, 2007 @ 12:59 pm
You are right, of course. I have stated my opinion on this matter, and hopefull will not need to again.
As far as on-topic, what can I say? Kristol is whacked!
He was right on the money when he predicted Bush’s commutation of Libby though. I guess if you’re actually in on it happening, you can probably predict what will transpire fairly easily.
July 15th, 2007 at 1:15 pmAll you need to know about this or any issue NoeCon billy kristol discusses is in that picture above; his smirking smarmy face….and the logo in the lower left corner of the screen.
Nobody with any intelligence or reason would believe anything coming from either source!
July 15th, 2007 at 1:17 pmOut of sight, out of mind? Very progressive…
Comment by Drinkin’ and stinkin’
hmmmmm? who else says that?…..someone who doesn’t like showing his face after yesterdays posting of a fallen soldiers name? perhaps?
July 15th, 2007 at 1:25 pmComment by Egreggious
Of course he was. His neocon buddies told bush he had too.
July 15th, 2007 at 1:27 pmComment by willyloman — July 15, 2007 @ 1:27 pm
Hi, Salesman. Thanks for your great posts around here over the past couple of days.
July 15th, 2007 at 1:30 pmWell Bill Kristol, with all him military experience would surely know a civil war on the ground if he saw one.
July 15th, 2007 at 1:33 pmComment by Egreggious
Glad too. But I would rather be talking about Chezy Stiffs! Whats new in the news? My tv blew up last week. I see nothing but Countdown on the net.
July 15th, 2007 at 1:33 pmComment by Egreggious — July 15, 2007 @ 1:30 pm
Willy’s really been outdoing himself, hasn’t he? And you’re no slack yourself! I’ve really been enjoying reading both of your comments during this last week or two. Good work!
Time out for me for a little baseball. See you in a bit.
July 15th, 2007 at 1:35 pmEnjoy the game, Jane.
July 15th, 2007 at 1:35 pmKristol should keep on with exactly the line of thought that he has pursued. It is pure gold in that he further diminishes his credibility with each such comment. The real problem comes from the MSM that should make a news story concerning his wildly inaccurate predictions that have spanned the course of the Iraq War. Indeed, the politics of this country would be quite different if the MSM would do its job. However, the MSM is controlled by corporate interests that sell their support for favorable economic treatment by the Republicans.
July 15th, 2007 at 1:41 pmkristol and fred barnes are teh Dumb and Dumber of Faux NoNooz. And to get that title, they had to beat out some stiff competition!!
July 15th, 2007 at 1:44 pmNot including Katie:
Usually, I find those who complain the most about trolls, and who drone on about site registration, are the biggest troll feeders there are.
I like TP. just the way it is. Registration WILL NOT stop trolling.
Even if you get registration of monikers, what’s to stop trolls from coming in and registering your own precious moniker, and you (no one in particular) having to use a different ID.?
July 15th, 2007 at 1:47 pmApparently the view of Iraq from The Weekly Standard is remarkably similar to the interior of Mr. Kristol’s colon.
July 15th, 2007 at 1:52 pmI don’t know if this is appropriate, and I hope it isn’t taken the wrong way by Tired of Fighting….
but since his very personal posting I thought it would be respectful to visit his fallen friends memorial.
I found it on the net, and feel that if any of you feel the same way, here is the link…
http://www.legacy.com/ Soldier/ Story.aspx?PersonID=3130083
I am so glad Tired of Fighting posted here. Bush keeps us from seeing the tributes to the fallen on tv and in the papers because he knows it will make these “commas†real people and that will hasten this countries resolve to ending this.
It is in the spirit of putting a face with the name that I give you this link. In hopes that the reality of it sinks into some. Out of respect for the man that I did not know and his friend, Tired of Fighting, I hope this doesn’t overreach my limits.
July 15th, 2007 at 1:52 pm#88 Willyloman
Thank you for that kind tribute and for the link.
I am so glad Tired of Fighting posted here. Bush keeps us from seeing the tributes to the fallen on tv and in the papers because he knows it will make these “commas†real people and that will hasten this countries resolve to ending this.
If you are old enough, you may remember that the people at home DID see the real world of Vietnam and when I was there, I felt it was supporting our cause, not hurting us, because it made people realize what war is. And there is nothing more terrible or more sad than sacrifices made for an illegal, unjust and immoral war!!!!
July 15th, 2007 at 1:58 pmComment by upside00
I ws too young to remember much of it. But Dad was gone…submariner…and there was a outrage to the culture on tv and music. But again, I was very young (born in 1966).
July 15th, 2007 at 2:08 pmDrugs. Dementia. Brainwashing. Living in an alternate universe.
July 15th, 2007 at 2:41 pmHe has no other excuses for his incredibly bizarre comments.
Voldemort? There is no Lord Voldemort, and if there was, he wouldn’t be here. Don’t you support the troops?
July 15th, 2007 at 2:58 pmRegarding trolls — I have seen about three distinct categories of posters referred to as “trolls” on TP.
1) The group of posters (or maybe it’s all the same person) who hurls insults, calls names, and fills up his posts with lots of exclamation points. This type of poster brings nothing of value to the discussion, and there is no value in stooping to his juvenile level. When we do, the entire thread becomes lost to what appears to be a playground fight among seven-year olds.
2) The dittoheads who will chime into the thread subject with whatever sound bite comes from the right (example — “Clinton fired every ONE of his U.S. Attorneys!). These can be worth responding to — if only to debunk talking points from the right that have been done to death. But once the rebuttal has been made, they should be ignored.
3) The posters who give a reasonably thoughtful argument for the conservative side. They stick to the topic at hand, provide some intellectual original thought, and don’t resort to playground language. THESE ARE NOT TROLLS. They are merely posters with differing viewpoints. We should value them here as much as we value any thoughtful posts. One of the hallmarks that differentiates us from the Rabid Right is that we are not so narrow-minded that we must close off all dissension, and we don’t cut off microphones as the right wing talking heads do. After all, intelligent debate makes this site interesting — when we get it.
July 15th, 2007 at 3:01 pmComment by willyloman — July 15, 2007 @ 1:52 pm
Wow. That was a wonderful thing to do, and I truly believe that Tired of Fighting would be touched by your tribute. You brought tears to my eyes. Thank you.
July 15th, 2007 at 3:12 pmKafka lives
What about point blank stupid?
July 15th, 2007 at 3:14 pmvery good post, missmolly…
July 15th, 2007 at 3:30 pmand to repeat:
But once the rebuttal has been made, they should be ignored.
it’s so easy! (or should be)…
…
It’s not just the obstructionism of a Republic Congress that gives the impression of an ineffective Congress. It is also the “I don’t recall” and “Executive Privilege” crowd.
I wonder how many Congresses in the past have had unusually low approval ratings when the president was also unpopular. I would imagine there would be a correspondence, as Americans have a tendency to lump the whole federal government into one big pile, with the Prez being the only recognizable face.
July 15th, 2007 at 3:48 pmSage William Kristol on what will happen in 2008:
Many Americans will recoil from the prospect of being governed by an unchecked triumvirate of Hillary Clinton, Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid. So the chances of a Republican winning the presidency in 2008 aren’t bad.
100% Correct!!!
July 15th, 2007 at 4:09 pm100% Correct!!!
Comment by Mr. President KONSERVO — July 15, 2007 @ 4:09 pm
Try again, goober breath…you are wrong on all counts. Now tell me what Bill Kristol has been right about in the past six years? Nothing, wingnut.
Lies and the lying liars who tell them…the PNAC and the GOP. It makes sense because who would go along with conservativism if the truth is told?
July 15th, 2007 at 4:28 pmComment by kasinca — July 15, 2007 @ 4:28 pm
Deep down Kristol is really a liberal, but he has has been mugged by reality!!!
July 15th, 2007 at 4:31 pmMany Americans will recoil from the prospect of being governed by an unchecked triumvirate of Hillary Clinton, Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid. So the chances of a Republican winning the presidency in 2008 aren’t bad.
100% Correct!!!
Comment by Mr. President KONSERVO — July 15, 2007 @ 4:09 pm
75% of Americans are recoiling right now!
July 15th, 2007 at 4:31 pmSaying their chances (the repugs) aren’t bad is like saying that things in Iraq aren’t bad.
They are delusional equivalents.
Comment by funky p — July 15, 2007 @ 4:31 pm
That would be true, if we were only talking about “repugs.” However, we can not forget about the influence and ruthlessness of the neocons. They don’t mind telling 75% of Americans to fuk off!
July 15th, 2007 at 4:45 pmAnd when we secure Iraq for our economic interests, we can write history as we please!
http://www.latimes.com/ news/ nationworld/ world/ la-fg-saudi15jul15,0,3132262.story
July 15th, 2007 at 4:48 pmHere is a link, if anyone cares, about the civil war in Iraq.
Aggravating the situation is the presence of the foreign fighters, what Bushco would like to call Al qaeda. It is civil war by proxy too. It is Iran backed shia insurgents against Saudi backed Sunni insurgents.
According to the article, the bulk of the foreign insurgents come from…….
Wait for it……..
Saudi Arabia. Bush’s buddies are backing the Sunni, while we support the Maliki govt. which is shia. And they are killing each other. I am just guessing here, but I would bet that both sides are getting their weapons from the same ultimate suppliers. It’s a win/win like the glory days of the 70s and 80s when we sold weapons to Iran and Iraq.
Good times. For the defense industries.
Isn’t war a beautiful thing?
when we secure Iraq for our economic interests, we can write history as we please!
Comment by Mr. President KONSERVO — July 15, 2007 @ 4:45 pm
A history written in blood. And you use the term we, like you have shed blood (maybe by pounding that shift/1 key so hard) or have contributed to the cause. I have seen what kind of contribution you are capable of, and I have been hearing about some horrible posts you recently left that dishonored one of the fallen.
July 15th, 2007 at 4:56 pmYou have nothing substantive to contribute, you are just a cheerleader for the ‘dark side, if you will’ to quote one of your heroes. And like your other hero, also a cheerleader, you like to talk the talk but cannot walk the walk. That stuff is for the peasant classes.
I will never address you personally, or knowingly respond to one of your posts, again.
You should slink away in shame like GW did on 9/11.
I wish he had stayed hidden.
You do not deserve the few minutes I just spent. Go post on the Weekly Standard or World Net Daily. They will welcome you like a long lost drunken coked out frat brother.
Comment by funky p — July 15, 2007 @ 4:48 pm
We need to help the Saudis control that situation, it is in our own strategic and economic interest.
July 15th, 2007 at 4:56 pm# 93 - Comment by missmolly — July 15, 2007 @ 3:01 pm
“Regarding trolls — I have seen about three distinct categories of posters referred to as “trolls†on TP.”
…
“3) The posters who give a reasonably thoughtful argument for the conservative side. They stick to the topic at hand, provide some intellectual original thought, and don’t resort to playground language. THESE ARE NOT TROLLS.”
Would someone give me the alias of one of the 3)-type posters? “Mr. President KONSERVO” is CERTAINLY not one of them! “…Deep down Kristol is really a liberal…” Comment by Mr. President KONSERVO — July 15, 2007 @ 4:31 pm
Now THAT was TRULY a “reasonably thoughtful argument for the conservative side!” Oh, YEAH!
There is absolutely nothing “liberal” or progressive about Bill Kristol.
Bill Kristol is just another a lying, Rupert Murdoch-loving, NeoCon whore.
July 15th, 2007 at 4:58 pmNow, when I talk about Al qaeda in Iraq, heh heh, I’m gonna smoke em out, heh heh.
July 15th, 2007 at 5:59 pmSee, I got friends that’s gonna help me, that Maliki feller, and his Shias, heh heh, I think that’s what you call them, see, they’re gonna kill those Al Qaeda for us after we train them, and give them better weapons.
Now my friends, the Saudis, they can go over there, and they like them suicide bombs, and they go and blow up the Shia, cause the Saudis are with the Sunnis, heh heh, and them Shia, they blow up good.
So, now I can say, that it’s them Al Qaeda fellers that are doing all the suicide bombing, heh heh. And my friend Joe, you know, the dude I kissed? Wait now, that wasn’t no fruity kiss, heh heh, that was what you call like a mafia kiss, or kissin the Pope. Well, actually the Pope does dress kind of fruity. Anyway, Joe said he’d try to explain it to you. It’s them Iranians that are causing all the problems, so we’re gonna have to smoke ‘em out too. Or maybe nuke em out.
Now, the Saudis, they supply us with a bunch of oil, heh heh, and we kind of help them out once in a while. Military hardware, stuff like that. We got lots and we’re gearing up to make lots more.
So, like I’ve always said, I am a uniter. I have United all of our interests into Iraq. Why, soon you’ll even be able to get coca cola there.
The surge Is working.
Al qaeda is on the run.
We need to give the surge more time to work.
Iraq is making significant progress towards critical benchmarks (oil law)
If we cut and run, the terrorists win. *(does not apply to Afghanistan)*
You mean there’s different kinds of Muslims?
Be afraid. Be very afraid.
Al Qaeda!
AL QAEDA
BOO
Bill Kristol is a liar and an idiot. Anyone who believes him is a pathetic idiot.
July 15th, 2007 at 6:05 pmI see Bill Kristol on tv and I wonder why no clown makeup?
July 15th, 2007 at 6:17 pmWhy is this dope still invited to do television interviews?
July 15th, 2007 at 6:19 pmHe has not been correct about anything!
Kristol must be one of the highest paid clowns around. And this is really an insult to professional circus clowns who at least have some talent.
July 15th, 2007 at 6:29 pmLet’s see, hmm. Track record is 0 for every at bat.
July 15th, 2007 at 6:42 pmThat should make him embarrased or just bare assed to even appear in public, let alone on national TV, making an ass of himself.
Would someone give me the alias of one of the 3)-type posters? “Mr. President KONSERVO†is CERTAINLY not one of them! “…Deep down Kristol is really a liberal…†Comment by Mr. President KONSERVO — July 15, 2007 @ 4:31 pm
Comment by hterrya — July 15, 2007 @ 4:58 pm
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Umm… gee…
I think it would be better if you thought really, really hard about it, and try to come up with the answer yourself!
July 15th, 2007 at 6:46 pmMr. Pee, slanderer of a fallen soldier.
July 15th, 2007 at 6:50 pm# 113 - Comment by Mr. President — July 15, 2007 @ 6:46 pm
“Would someone give me the alias of one of the 3)-type posters?”
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“… if you thought really, really hard about it, and try to come up with the answer yourself!”
I have. My answer is NONE! YOU certainly DON’T qualify.
Mr. Pee, slanderer of a fallen soldier (Changed my mind, Mr. Pee; you ARE the slanderer! I admit that the little “Geez, guys, it wasn’t me” speech/scam had me fooled for a while, but your subsequent meaness, slander of other posters, arrogance, and saracastic attitude gave you away, again! I didn’t err, and you ain’t human!)
Now back to the topic, now that the Troll has been stomped.
TOPIC:
Bill Kristol is just another a lying, Rupert Murdoch-loving, NeoCon whore.
Kristol must be one of the highest paid clowns around.
Bill Kristol is a liar and an idiot. Anyone who believes him is a pathetic idiot.
NOT TOPIC: Mr. Pee
July 15th, 2007 at 7:19 pm“… if you thought really, really hard about it, and try to come up with the answer yourself!â€
I have. My answer is NONE! YOU certainly DON’T qualify.
Comment by hterrya — July 15, 2007 @ 7:19 pm
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Good Lord, you Lefties are dense!!!
It was me!!! I had to change my name back so as not to confuse you simpletons!!!
July 15th, 2007 at 8:02 pmHay Jake,
LA Times, 7/15/07
“About 45% of all foreign militants targeting U.S. troops and Iraqi civilians and security forces are from Saudi Arabiaâ€
“Fighters from Saudi Arabia are thought to have carried out more suicide bombings than those of any other nationality, said the senior U.S. officerâ€
Comment by pgw — July 15, 2007 @ 8:28 pm on different thread
deserves repeating… pass it around…
July 15th, 2007 at 9:35 pmtoo bad that story didn’t make the rounds this a.m….
I love Kristol’s bullshit about the budget deficit. Yeah, a kindergartner could get a budget deficit decline when they keep the Iraq war spending out of the budget, fukking DUH!
July 15th, 2007 at 9:38 pmTP should have validated users. Not draconian like Freepers, but keep the posters to one per IP.
July 15th, 2007 at 9:49 pmKristol is once again living in his own dimension.
July 15th, 2007 at 10:25 pmThe thing I don’t get is why is this guy allowed access to any medium? Forgetting his politics for a moment, Kristol is simply wrong, consistently. Why would any network put him on to spew his errors, and why would anyone take him seriously? Were he in business with clients to satisfy with his judgment, he’d last a week.
July 15th, 2007 at 10:52 pmRight, Bill Kristol! Iraq is n ot in the throes of a civil war. That is why Shiite/Sunni neighborhoods are being subjected to expulsions (and worse) by Sunni/Shiite militias. That is why 1,000,000 Iraqis have fled the country, and 2,000,000 are displaced within the country.
Kristol is not even an idiot. Someone who sticks to his fanatical views no matter what evidence is presented to the contrary is clearly mentally ill. In Kristol’s case, he is also dangerous since he is whipping up warmongering feelings. Kristol needs to be put away in an institution for the criminally insane.
July 15th, 2007 at 11:10 pmMan, I hate Bill Kristol.
July 16th, 2007 at 2:24 amYou’re doing a great service for your country Mr. Kristol, keep it up!
July 16th, 2007 at 5:58 amYou are doing a great service for your country, Mr. Kristol, clearly showing all but the stupidist 28% of its citizenry that only deranged, sheep-like NeoCons are stupid enough to fall for the lies and mindless warmongering of the current corrupt, crooked president and his criminal cabal. Keep it up!
July 16th, 2007 at 11:16 amIt’s pointless to comment on Kristol anymore. He doesn’t speak for the american people(not that he ever did). Just a small group of right-wing bozos that realize their time has past. From now till Bush’s last day in office we’re going to hear a lot of phoney rationalization and outright lies. Again, pointless.
July 16th, 2007 at 11:18 amI’d be a lot less bothered by Kristol if they’d just pass a rule stating that every time he appears on TV, the words “NOTE: Every single thing this man has said in the past 10 years has been wrong” appeared next to him.
July 16th, 2007 at 1:36 pm