Webb Rips Graham As ‘Politician Trying To Put His Political Views Into The Mouths Of Soldiers’
Webb Rips Graham As ‘Politician Trying To Put His Political Views Into The Mouths Of Soldiers’
This morning on Meet the Press, Sen. Jim Webb (D-VA) took Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC) to task for spouting “support the troops” rhetoric while failing to take action to safeguard the long-term health of the military.
This week, Graham was among a handful of right-wing Senators who prevented the passage of an amendment sponsored by Webb that would have required soldiers to be given more rest at home after being deployed overseas. During the vote, Graham disingenuously claimed that if Webb’s bill passed, it would be “the greatest politicization of military action in the history of the country.”
This morning, Webb fought back. “The traditional operational policy has been if you’re gone for a year, you get two years back. We’re now in a situation where the soldiers and the Marines are having less than a 1 to 1 ratio.” Webb said. Turning to Graham, he added, “And somebody needs to speak up for them rather than defending what this President has been doing.”
“May I speak!” Webb said, as Graham tried to interrupt him. “This is one thing I really take objection to,” he said, “is politicians who try to put their political views into the mouths of soldiers.” Watch it:
Webb’s amendment would have required the Bush administration to provide at least a year of rest for every year that a member of the Armed Forces was deployed overseas. The amendment provided three years of rest for National Guard soldiers. In the vote to end the filibuster, 56 bipartisan members supported Webb’s amendment, less than the 60 needed to end debate.
This morning, when Graham tried to claim that he’s a qualified voice to speak on behalf of all soldiers because he has been to Iraq, Webb countered, “You go and see the dog-and-pony shows.” Webb scolded Graham, “Don’t put political words into [the soldier's] mouth.”
UPDATE: Commenters Ann and Katy note Webb’s son has served in Iraq, but he refused to bring that into the debate this morning.
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Ask the soldiers sleeping in rat feces at Walter Reed if those republicans took care of the troops. The GOP supporting the troops is one of the funniest gags running.
July 15th, 2007 at 11:56 amGraham getting his advice lately from Joe Lieberman,who also showed how hypocrite he is when he talked about ’sniping soldiers’ by Democrats,but himself voted against giving soldiers extra time for relief,while keep repeating ‘Support Our Troops’…
Troops know better,so is Senator Webb,who fought wars before and his son is in IRAQ.
July 15th, 2007 at 11:59 amWebb’s son is in Iraq. Does Graham have any kids in the military? “Nuff said.
July 15th, 2007 at 12:01 pmto webb’s credit he didn’t use his own son’s deployment as ammunition against graham, who asked, “have you been there?”…
bet that was a hard bite of the tongue though…
graham is a pathetic weasel…
July 15th, 2007 at 12:01 pm.
So, the original traditional operational policy has been if you’re gone for a year, you get two years back. And then Webb tries to pass just a one year at home for one year in hell and the Republics won’t allow it to come up for a vote. I don’t see how any human being with an IQ of greater than 70 can think that the Lemming Republics support our troops. Anyone who lives in a state where their Representative is a Republic who filibustered this bill needs to call them and give them hell.
Webb is one of my heroes. My dream team for 2008 is Gore/Webb. That would be quite a team. Gore can take care of our planet and our country and Webb can take care of our foreign policy and our military.
July 15th, 2007 at 12:03 pmIt was particularly telling that Webb had to verbally assert himself to get a word in edgewise, with the toad Russert affording that cracker Graham yet another question and blatherling tortured answer.
“It’s the fourth time he said the same thing” Webb interjected, to no avail. Then, later, “May I speak?!”
Graham could only shake his head at the end of the piece. He was beat — badly — and it showed. But that should be no surprise; there are no further arguments to make.
GET US OUT OF IRAQ IMMEDIATELY.
July 15th, 2007 at 12:03 pmGraham asks Webb, “have you been there”. Has Graham been anywhere other than the heavily fortified Green Zone? Has Graham talked to any service person that was not hand-picked for him to interview? It totally amazes me that these Chickenhawk Republics who have never served a day in the military seem to think that they know how to run things military. Compare Webb’s background to Graham’s and tell me which one you would listen to when it comes to the military.
July 15th, 2007 at 12:05 pm“May I speak?!â€
Geez. He’s got a lot to learn. You don’t ASK for a permission to speak. It’s a sign of weakness. You should be assertive, talk over your opponent and deny him the chance to reply.
July 15th, 2007 at 12:06 pmHuckleberry Graham is the biggest water carrier that Bushco has up on Capitol Hill…what a dick. Does he have any kids over in that shithole? “Nobody wants to talk about the consequences..” he says. This idiots lied us in there, and knew the consequences…Bush said what his intentions were the other day…Thugs create chaos to impose their ideology on the World…he pretends he was talking about the islamic extremists, but really he was letting everyone know what his plans are. Iraq looks like it does BY DESIGN.
July 15th, 2007 at 12:09 pmWhat is the problem with giving equal rest? Why is it that issues that seem to be no-brainer-nearly unanimous votes get partisan? microGram offered no reasonable explaination to oppose the amendment, only empty rhetoric. How would this be a bad thing?
July 15th, 2007 at 12:09 pmGet ‘em Webb. This guy is a pit-bull and I respect him for not shaking Bush’s hand, as Bush has not only changed our view of our own country as a peace-loving, pricipled nation. But he has changed what it means to be a “Christian”. He reflects Christianity from our nation’s perspective to the world, since the international press has printed that he “talks to God”. He’s been terrible for our nation. He’s been terrible for Christianity. He’s been terrible for world. In essence, he’s good for nothin’.
I SALUTE you JIM WEBB. Do not get bought out by the corporatocracy sir !!!
July 15th, 2007 at 12:10 pmWebb’s point is excellent. The Republicans send our soldiers to their deaths while exploiting them politically.
July 15th, 2007 at 12:10 pmIn the pocket of AIPAC, Graham is lying through his teeth.
July 15th, 2007 at 12:10 pmYou should be assertive, talk over your opponent and deny him the chance to reply.
Comment by Drinkin’ and stinkin’
Debate lessons in Kentucky bars, right?
Funny how you dont address the issue.
July 15th, 2007 at 12:10 pm“Geez. He’s got a lot to learn. You don’t ASK for a permission to speak. It’s a sign of weakness. You should be assertive, talk over your opponent and deny him the chance to reply.
Comment by Drinkin’ and stinkin”
That may be the way you Lemming Republics do it. Fortunately the Democrats are a little more civilized. They believe in discourse which means that everyone is given a chance to speak. The reason why the Lemming Republics speak over people is because they have nothing to say and they know it. So, they try to keep their opponent from saying anything and thus making them look like the fools that they are.
July 15th, 2007 at 12:11 pmAnd then you wonder why Democrats are perceived as weak. Ok. It’s your choice.
July 15th, 2007 at 12:13 pmThe United States is in CHAOS. These two dudes yelling at each other while pumpkin head Timmeh sits there – He should be in jail for this role in leaking the covert CIA agents name – like a referee. This is what Karl Rove and his neo-con pals want. Distraction from their real aims…divide and conquer…Graham is too stupid to know that they want to gut Congress’ ability at any reasonable check of the executive branch, so just like all of those moron voters that pulled the lever for Dubya, Graham is slitting his own throat….again this is by design. CHAOS + FEAR + a planned terror attack = Dictatorial Power for the Bushco Family.
July 15th, 2007 at 12:13 pmSENATOR GRAHAM CALLS FOR ACTION AGAINST AMERICANS WHO DISAGREE WITH BUSH
Sen. Lindsey Graham suggested to Attorney General Alberto Gonzales a new target for the administration’s domestic operations — Fifth Columnists, supposedly disloyal Americans who sympathize and collaborate with the enemy.
“The administration has not only the right, but the duty, in my opinion, to pursue Fifth Column movements,” Graham, R-S.C., told Gonzales during Senate Judiciary Committee hearings on Feb. 6.
“I stand by this President’s ability, inherent to being Commander in Chief, to find out about Fifth Column movements, and I don’t think you need a warrant to do that,” Graham added, volunteering to work with the administration to draft guidelines for how best to neutralize this alleged threat. “Senator,” a smiling Gonzales responded, “the President already said we’d be happy to listen to your ideas.”
http://uncapitalist.com/blog/?itemid=1329
July 15th, 2007 at 12:14 pmI whish Webb would have stoo up and knocked Graham out of his seat, and then challenged him to try to get up off of the floor. Sure, his senate career would be damaged, but it would open the door to the Presidency.
Graham is a disgusting, faux-twangy, pasty-faced git.
July 15th, 2007 at 12:14 pmI was told directly by someone with intimate knowledge that the State Department had learned that Rumsfeld planned to FOMENT CHAOS in Iraq from the outset…and that literally all of the apparent failures in Iraq were part of Rumsfeld’s goal prior to the invasion of Iraq. If ETERNAL OCCUPATION and PERMANENT BASES are your ultimate goal, this strategy makes sense – as peace and stability would eliminate the justification for US boots on the ground.
The recent revelation that Rumsfeld actually threatened to fire any General who continued to work on the planning for the aftermath of the invasion (“The future Of Iraq Projectâ€) makes total sense when you consider that the actual goal of Donald Rumsfeld was to “AVOID WINNING.â€
THE FUTURE OF IRAQ PROJECT:
Washington, DC, September 1, 2006 – The National Security Archive is today posting State Department documents from 2002 tracing the inception of the “Future of Iraq Project,” alongside the final, mammoth 13-volume study, previously obtained under the Freedom of Information Act. “The Future of Iraq Project” was one of the most comprehensive U.S. government planning efforts for raising that country out of the ashes of combat and establishing a functioning democracy. The new materials complement previous postings on the Archive’s site relating to the United States’ complex relationship with Iraq during the years leading up to the 2003 invasion:
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB198/index.htm
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Future_of_Iraq_Project
RUMSFELD HAD THIS ADVICE, AND NOT ONLY CHOSE TO IGNORE IT, BUT THREATENED TO FIRE ANYONE WHO CONTINUE TO WORK ON IT IN THE LEAD UP THE WAR.
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2006_09/009469.php
July 15th, 2007 at 12:16 pmAnd then you wonder why Democrats are perceived as weak. Ok. It’s your choice.
Comment by Drinkin’ and stinkin
This weak/strong thing is so important for those who cant satisfy a woman. That Freud was a goddamn genius.
July 15th, 2007 at 12:18 pmThe trio,Graham,Joe Lieberman,and Mccain playing the scare game,and if we leave Iraq, they say ,”then the earth will spin the other way around”..
Now Graham and Joe see that their knight Mccain is going nowhere with his campaign,and money is beginning to dry for him…
They will know soon that this hype will not sell anymore.
Making trips to Baghdad to buy ‘one dollar rug’ with big ‘know it all’ statements will also not sell anymore..
July 15th, 2007 at 12:19 pmJim Webb vs. Lieberman on pay per view. Tables, ladders, and chairs. Jim Webb would leave no orifice unfilled. I’d buy it for $39.99.
Jim Webb just doesn’t seem like a guy you want to cross wrongly.
July 15th, 2007 at 12:19 pmGraham asserted that there are lots of men and women signing up for service because they believe in the mission in Iraq. I’m not sure any of them actually know what the mission is anymore; it’s changed so many times. If there are that many men and women willing to sacrifice their lives for…I dunno what really….to act as the police for the Iraqis? Anyway, if so many believe in this war, why is the military having such a hard time with recruitment? The military that do go back, that do resign, have few options.
July 15th, 2007 at 12:19 pmfrom C&L…
i kept waiting for him to say, “they go back for thier buddies.”
but he sure put graham in his place…
Webb: “I’ve been a member of the military more than the Senators been
a Senator.â€
http://www.crooksandliars.com/
July 15th, 2007 at 12:21 pmHey “drinkin’ and stinkin’, if that is your real name. You are the chickensh***. You’re the ones that are screaming the sky is falling and wanting your mommies to hold your hand since terrorists will be in a mall near you as Tony Snow stated. You are the scaredy-cats bit** !!
July 15th, 2007 at 12:22 pmThis interview on MTP made me sick. To be honest I didn’t feel Webb was prepared to counter grahamcracker. I felt Webb lost this debate. He should have used the repug mantra of “support the troops” against them over his amendment defeat last week.
Webb tried…but he wasn’t prepared to say the things necessary.
July 15th, 2007 at 12:24 pmMy 2 cents…
Ace, are you in journalism? I ask that because you always provide facts and documentation, no matter what. The information you provide should qualify you to teach reporting to reporters.
July 15th, 2007 at 12:24 pmI salute you and your references.
Disaster Drills conducted in secret at US Treasury in Florida:
http://www.roguegovernment.com/news.php?id=3010
Something wicked this way comes.
Currency crisis = Amero as new currency and abolition of the US Constitution.
July 15th, 2007 at 12:24 pmThere you go “spittin on drinkin”!
That’s much better! Agression and assertiveness. Good job.
July 15th, 2007 at 12:24 pm#27, Pat,
July 15th, 2007 at 12:25 pmGraham may have had more words, and said them louder, but on point, Webb clearly won the debate.
It was obvious that both men were angry with each other, but Webb debates with facts; Graham debates with rhetoric.
Last week, South Carolina Senator Lindsay Graham lauded the Bush escalation in Iraq. A veteran of both the armed forces and an April shoppng spree in Baghdad (”I bought five rugs for five bucks”), Graham concluded last Saturday:
“The military part of the surge is working beyond my expectations. We literally have the enemy on the run.”
For the details, see:
July 15th, 2007 at 12:28 pm“Iraq Surge Wins Rave Reviews.”
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Ace, are you in journalism? I ask that because you always provide facts and documentation, no matter what. The information you provide should qualify you to teach reporting to reporters.
I salute you and your references.
Comment by Marie — July 15, 2007 @ 12:24 pm
Thanks Marie.
I’m no different than you – just an American Patriot trying to save my country from foreign occupation.
I always try to include links – as most people feel that the opinions of published columnists carry more weight – and frequently, the links lead directly to irrefutable facts – which is why you may have noticed that very few people ever disprove the factuality of what I post – and merely resort to attacking the messenger as their only option.
I try not to post anything that I don’t believe to be absolutely truthful.
July 15th, 2007 at 12:29 pmWhile some might think Webb impotent at debating Graham, remember that service families were watching this little dust-up, and they saw who was standing up for the troops, and who was toadying for Bush. Look for his poll numbers to drop with service people after this. Graham as well.
July 15th, 2007 at 12:30 pmhttp://killtown.blogspot.com/2005/11/dancing-israelis-on-911.html
http://plungerspeaks.blogspot.com
July 15th, 2007 at 12:31 pmI try not to post anything that I don’t believe to be absolutely truthful.
Plenty of absolutely wild speculation in your last post, though. Amero my a$$…
July 15th, 2007 at 12:31 pmexcuse me, but when i see this:
And then you wonder why Democrats are perceived as weak.
Ok. It’s your choice.
Comment by Drinkin’ and stinkin’
it astounds me that someone with such a name would even think…
oh…
but, it’s like taking advice from a “five dollar whore”…
July 15th, 2007 at 12:31 pmwho could take it serious?
…
Plenty of absolutely wild speculation in your last post, though. Amero my a$$…
Comment by Drinkin’ and stinkin’ — July 15, 2007 @ 12:31 pm
OK, now it’s your turn. Teach us what you know about the Amero. Provide links and facts to support your contentions.
July 15th, 2007 at 12:32 pmAnd with both Russert and Novak on MTP, it’s like old home week for members of the Plame affair. Great how they didn’t mention word one about it, the scummy bastards.
July 15th, 2007 at 12:34 pm#31 Marie,
I agree…but I’m afraid it’s all about perception with 50 – 60% of voters out there. The repugs know this…that’s why they just throw bullshit out there… because they realize half of it sticks.
Let’s face it, 99% of the TP crowd doesn’t need persuasion. Hell, I’d go to war with Webb if he were leading the charge.
All I saw this morning on the political talk shows were repug, chimpy leg humpers, and whether we were “right” or not…they got their pathetic message out better. Again, this is just my opinion.
July 15th, 2007 at 12:34 pm#38: Just a hypothetical currency for Americas in the Euro style. No-one’s taking it seriously. But from your previous posts I can see that you’re one of those 9/11 conspiracy guys, so I guess you’ve bought into some Amero conspiracy, too. Stay well stocked on tinfoil, dude.
July 15th, 2007 at 12:36 pmWebb is an ass!
July 15th, 2007 at 12:36 pmTHANKS TP!
I knew you wouldn’t let this one pass.
WEBB’s THE MAN!
July 15th, 2007 at 12:36 pmStay well stocked on tinfoil, dude.
Comment by Drinkin’ and stinkin’ —
Found those WMD’s yet?
July 15th, 2007 at 12:39 pmOh, and here’s a link for you ace:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_currency_union
Wikipedia is sort of ok. Found some freaky conspiracy sites when googling for Amero, but they really aren’t worth even linking to.
July 15th, 2007 at 12:40 pm#44: That lie served its purpose at the time.
July 15th, 2007 at 12:40 pmComment by veritas — July 15, 2007 @ 12:36 pm
and you’re a chimpy leg humper…what’s your point?
July 15th, 2007 at 12:41 pmThis interview on MTP made me sick. To be honest I didn’t feel Webb was prepared to counter grahamcracker. I felt Webb lost this debate. He should have used the repug mantra of “support the troops†against them over his amendment defeat last week.
Webb tried…but he wasn’t prepared to say the things necessary.
My 2 cents…
Comment by Pat — July 15, 2007 @ 12:24 pm
I know what you are saying Pat. Webb is the consumate gentlemen, and tried to be more restrained than Graham, who spouted off like he was the reincarnation of General George Patton, asking Webb over and over if he had been to Iraq.
If I had been Webb, and done what he did in combat, I’d have pointed out that out of the two of them, he was the only one who ever fired a shot at the enemy, or had ever been shot AT by the enemy.
Webb needs to take the gloves off. He’s a Junior senator though so I don’t blame him. He’s new to this game.
But out of the two up there, he’s the only one who’s ever really been to war.
July 15th, 2007 at 12:41 pmComment by veritas — July 15, 2007 @ 12:36 pm
that is a name jacking… that is not veritas.
July 15th, 2007 at 12:43 pm.
Graham is a bootlicking thug of the crime family, pure and simple…next.
July 15th, 2007 at 12:43 pm“That lie served its purpose at the time.”
What was the purpose? To kill more americans? That’s been the effect. Now you claim it’s a lie – but your ilk was trumpeting this as an immenent threat.
July 15th, 2007 at 12:43 pmGraham is clueless, and the only way Lindsey Graham can think of to honor the sacrifice of our troops, is to sacrifice more troops.
July 15th, 2007 at 12:44 pmWWDS do? (Would would David Shuster do?)
I thought it was sad that Novak claiming that someone said “no one wants a 3rd Bill Clinton term”.
Russert actually asked who’s saying that and Novak was caught on his heels for a second and admitted “I did….”
Then all of those asshats had a good laugh!
Just friggin’ great, a journalist seemingly quoting somone then admitting to their own words! And they all laughed – the left, the right, the conservative, all.
July 15th, 2007 at 12:47 pmRussert should’ve called him on it right away, but sadly it looked like they’re all in cahoots with each other.
Kinda’ stupid admitting to cheating when the game ain’t over. Might turn the debate into a boxing match, and you really don’t want that.
July 15th, 2007 at 12:48 pmComment by veritas — July 15, 2007 @ 12:36 pm
that is a name jacking… that is not veritas..
Comment by katy — July 15, 2007 @ 12:43 pm
I agree, katy. Even if the real veritas felt that way, she would have explained her reasons for saying that.
July 15th, 2007 at 12:49 pmAnd the discussion about the Plame affair (they just talked about it out here on the west coast) was an exercise of beltway backslapping. Al Hunt said he thinks Novak was treated unfairly – convieniently forgetting to mention that Novak is his child’s godfather. Really ethical journalism…
July 15th, 2007 at 12:49 pmAmero:
http://www.amerocurrency.com/
July 15th, 2007 at 12:49 pmThese repugs who come on here to disrupt are the worst form of vermin imaginable. They cannot win this debate because deep down they know they have chosen political party over what is right in our democracy. I doubt very seriously any of them realize this…as they are too busy mounting chimpy’s leg.
July 15th, 2007 at 12:50 pm#4 Graham is not married and a lot of blogs are ready to out him. He is just another coward gay chickenhawk. Nothing wrong with being gay but like Vitter he is a hypocrite. Also when did we cede responsibility for decisions to a general. My dad served under generals including Bradley and Patton. They are not allknowing beings. They do not run our country.
July 15th, 2007 at 12:50 pmRussert isn’t there to get to the gist of an issue (if he was, he’ would have been hitting Rethug talking points out of the park for the past 7 years). He’s there to provide cover for the Neocons. He is a neocon.
July 15th, 2007 at 12:52 pmI agree, katy. Even if the real veritas felt that way, she would have explained her reasons for saying that.
Comment by Jane E. Schneider — July 15, 2007 @ 12:49 pm
Oh that definately was not Veritas. Veritas said that he (she?) was going to daily kos, because he was sick of the trolls.
That was “Mr. President”, doing what he does best.
Cheating.
July 15th, 2007 at 12:53 pm#4 Graham is not married and a lot of blogs are ready to out him.
Comment by Mike — July 15, 2007 @ 12:50 pm
He looks to me like he could change a 9 dollar bill in threes.
July 15th, 2007 at 12:54 pmGraham states the surge has only been in place for 2 weeks. I wonder how long ago the vast majority– say, at least 80%– of the “surge” troops were deployed to Iraq. My suspicion is the Pentagon and Bush Administration held off on deploying a final small number of these troops to buy them more time and provide them cover while things still continue to go poorly in Iraq. While Bush and company will no doubt try to keep this information under wraps, I’m waiting for the press to start investigating the deployment schedule and asking questions about this.
July 15th, 2007 at 12:55 pmDrinkin’ and stinkin’:
What did you learn about the Amero from the site linked above (which was a link on the Wikipedia page provided by YOU)?
Why don’t you want Americans to consider the Amero to be a possibility?
You apparently did’nt see this CNBC interview:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hiPrsc9g98
Does THAT look like a conspiracy theory?
How about this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H65f3q_Lm9U&mode=related&search=
Your response is eagerly awaited
July 15th, 2007 at 12:56 pmComment by BARTLEBEE — July 15, 2007 @ 12:53 pm
For future reference, I do know for sure that veritas is a “she.” And I thought the same thing, that the troll (whoever it was) took advantage of veritas’s announcement that she was going to Daily Kos in order to use her name in that “hit and run” comment.
July 15th, 2007 at 12:57 pmI think Lindsey Graham and Ralph Reed would make an absolutely adorable, tres-Butch couple. Graham could dress all S&M, maybe in a pseudo SS uniform, while Reed goes the Tucker Carlson route – sporting a bow tie, short pants, and black socks and shoes.
July 15th, 2007 at 12:57 pmThe surge has been going since 2003…it was just called something else in the mean time. I think it was called Stay the Course for a long time. Same shit, different day.
July 15th, 2007 at 12:58 pmUnfortunately, Webb did not reply, when Graham kept repeating that the troops keep reenlisting, that that statement is simply not true. Reenlistment rates were down in May and June for the Army. In June, in particular, the Army missed its goal by 1000 soldiers. The Democrats, in particular those Democrats who are supposed to be antiwar, have to be better prepared when they engage a warmonger like Graham. That is, if they are able to get a word in edgewise, with Tim Russert sitting there like a statue, allowing chaos to take over that discussion.
July 15th, 2007 at 12:58 pmhttp://www.ROGUEGOVERNMENT.COM
EXPOSING GOVERNMENT CORRUPTION AND THE NEW WORLD ORDER
U.S. Treasury Holds Disaster Drill in Tampa Bay
07-13-2007
http://www.roguegovernment.com/news.php?id=3010
July 15th, 2007 at 1:00 pmjayne – funny, i never “pictured” veritas as a female…
huh…
i don’t recall any clues as to either sex actually…
oops? …
July 15th, 2007 at 1:02 pmoops again… sorry about the ‘y’, jane…
July 15th, 2007 at 1:03 pmGraham states the surge has only been in place for 2 weeks.
That is merely the latest example of Bush&Co moving the goal posts. In January, they ALL said, we will know if the surge is working in six months!! In February, it was give the surge a chance. In March, it was signs are that the surge is working, and so it went on — Now that the surge is obviously not working, now that it is time for them to admit they failed, now they have moved the start of the surge from early this year, to June 15th, and have already started to backpedal from the September report (which has already been written) — last week, they have already moved another goal to October – and then the end of the year.
The American public is Charlie Brown, and Bush&Co are Lucy and the football.
July 15th, 2007 at 1:03 pmComment by Mike — July 15, 2007 @ 12:50 pm
I’ll try this post again, because it seems to have disappeared.
I think it’s a little harder to call Graham out on hypocrisy specifically because he is not married. Whereas a strong case can be made that Vitter violated the sanctity of his own marriage while arguing that the “sanctity of marriage” should be preserved at all costs, Graham could not be guilty of that double standard.
While strange, I do not think it is necessarily hypocritical to be opposed to gay marriage while being gay oneself.
July 15th, 2007 at 1:04 pmOne way you know you’re on the losing end of an argument is when you begin to filibuster.
So often Huckleberry simply repeated his talking points while Webb was trying to finish a sentence. He did this not out of passion, but out of a transparent desire to make sure that Webb’s main point – namely that the soldiers and Marines themselves want out of Iraq – was not heard, at least not clearly.
God, I hate Republicans.
July 15th, 2007 at 1:04 pmI think “surge” is starting to get a bad name with the American public. Hadley seemd to really try to avoid using that word today on Face the Nation.
July 15th, 2007 at 1:05 pm#65
Jane,
Since Veritas left the sight… I hope she won’t mind my comment #47 to the author of #42. :-)
July 15th, 2007 at 1:06 pmThis weak/strong thing is so important for those who cant satisfy a woman. That Freud was a goddamn genius.
Comment by Juan C — July 15, 2007 @ 12:18 pm
You’re hilarious!
Webb didn’t say “May I speak?” He said “May I speak!” Something a worksheet in third grade on punctuation use should have clarified for the troll du jour. LOL
July 15th, 2007 at 1:07 pmIn a debate, there is no way to prepare for an opponent who will lie – other thant to rebut every assertion with the statement, “that is a lie”. Not very good for getting your message out. This is why Russert is such a failure as a moderator – the moderator’s job is to fact-check and correct improper. erroneous, or disingenuous statements by one side or the other.
Web should have simply knocked Graham to the ground and dared him to try to get off of the floor. If Russert stepped in, Webb should have knocked his ass down, too. I know doing such a thing would not be looked on as “fair play”, but WTF? Sometimes, you have to fight dirty with overwhelming dirty.
July 15th, 2007 at 1:07 pmI think Lindsey Graham and Ralph Reed would make an absolutely adorable, tres-Butch couple. Graham could dress all S&M, maybe in a pseudo SS uniform, while Reed goes the Tucker Carlson route – sporting a bow tie, short pants, and black socks and shoes.
Comment by Marcus Aurelius — July 15, 2007 @ 12:57 pm
Toss in Ken Melhman and you’ve got a reality show.
July 15th, 2007 at 1:07 pmThey’re certainly a bunch of drama queens.
July 15th, 2007 at 1:08 pmIn a debate, there is no way to prepare for an opponent who will lie – other thant to rebut every assertion with the statement, “that is a lieâ€. Not very good for getting your message out. This is why Russert is such a failure as a moderator – the moderator’s job is to fact-check and correct improper. erroneous, or disingenuous statements by one side or the other.
Comment by Marcus Aurelius — July 15, 2007 @ 1:07 pm
I agree. Russert should have corrected that outright lie.
His job is to do that. Hopefully he will in a post interview followup.
July 15th, 2007 at 1:09 pmWeb should have simply knocked Graham to the ground and dared him to try to get off of the floor. If Russert stepped in, Webb should have knocked his ass down, too. I know doing such a thing would not be looked on as “fair playâ€, but WTF? Sometimes, you have to fight dirty with overwhelming dirty.
Comment by Marcus Aurelius — July 15, 2007 @ 1:07 pm
ditto
July 15th, 2007 at 1:09 pmHere is something that everyone out there can do to really show support for the troops. The wounded go to Landstuhl medical center in Germany on their way back to the US. Once there, those who are able to naturally want to notify their familes that they are still alive and coming home. BUT, the phones are not free, so there is an urgent need for prepaid american calling cards Send them to: Landstuhl Regional Medical Center// ATTN: MCEUL-CH/Chaplains Office// CMR 402// APO AE 09180. The bush government won’t set up free phones, and the Chaplains office is trying to spread the word that they are running out. Please help if you can.
July 15th, 2007 at 1:10 pmWhen the knocking down part starts, I want you at my side.
July 15th, 2007 at 1:11 pmBy the way folks. Its a tell tale sign that the trolls are beaten, when they resort to using our handles to try and make their points.
They’re shooting blanks.
July 15th, 2007 at 1:12 pmIt was in fact a CONSPIRACY that led to war. A conspiracy of disinformation…willful disinformation…MANUFACTURED disinformation.
Graham would like you all to ignore that, and focus only on the disasterous consequences that would result from changing the “NO WIN” course that was intentionally set in place by the Treasonous bastards in charge.
Clearly there was a conspiracy between Libby and Cheney. Conspiracy is a legal term. Can we all be adults and discuss this and other related conspiracies without being accused of being “Conspiracy Theorists?”
Having a theory about a conspiracy was a prerequisite for Fitzgerald’s investigators. It’s time to praise those who are able to think outside the box and comprehend the means, motive and opportunity that leads to these types of Conspiracies.
It’s time to raise the level of discourse where the term “Conspiracy” is concerned:
http://www.globalsecurity.org/intell/library/reports/2005/franklin_indictment_04aug2005.htm
We’ve all been conditioned to snicker and ridicule when non-professionals offer theories about conspiracies. It’s time to talk about all of these theories and unravel the whole thing.
July 15th, 2007 at 1:12 pm“Graham is not married and a lot of blogs are ready to out him. He is just another coward gay chickenhawk.”
Well, he did go to Iraq to buy rugs after all. I don’t know many straight men who would be worried about interior design on a trip to a country we’re at war over.
July 15th, 2007 at 1:13 pmOh that definately was not Veritas. Veritas said that he (she?)…
Comment by BARTLEBEE
Veritas is a she, and yes, those are definitely name jackings.
July 15th, 2007 at 1:13 pmWebb is a Naval Academy graduate – graduated w/Ollie North, believe it or not.
I once read a piece – I think it was in Esquire – where Webb was a new lt. on the ground in ‘Nam, and addressed his soldiers for the first time. He said: if you tell me that the sky is green, i’ll back you up all the way and believe that the sky is green. but the moment i find out that the sky isn’t green, your ass is mine.
i wish i had officers and NCOs that good when i was in the Navy… i don’t agree w/man 100 percent, but, unlike a lot of politicians, he’s (so far) as good as his word…he at least lives up to the term “semper fidelis” – Always Faithful.
graham? he’s literally a southern cracker…
July 15th, 2007 at 1:14 pmWeb should have simply knocked Graham to the ground and dared him to try to get off of the floor. If Russert stepped in, Webb should have knocked his ass down, too. I know doing such a thing would not be looked on as “fair playâ€, but WTF? Sometimes, you have to fight dirty with overwhelming dirty.
Comment by Marcus Aurelius — July 15, 2007 @ 1:07 pm
ditto
Comment by Pat — July 15, 2007 @ 1:09 pm
While I like that scenario it would just get Webb arrested. But I was hoping Webb would ask Grahamcracker if he wanted to step outside.
Graham would have blown a bigger gasket than he already did.
July 15th, 2007 at 1:14 pmOh wait, you say, it was ARMITAGE that was the original leaker of Plame’s identity, right?
And what punishment did Armitage receive?
ARMITAGE KNIGHTED BY THE CROWN:
http://www.btcnews.com/btcnews/1294
4/25/2006
OMG: Meet Richard Armitage, Knight Commander
Richard Armitage, the number two man at Colin Powell’s state department, has been knighted “for services to US-UK relations.†Presumably this is a reference to his diplomatic exertions on behalf of the invasion of Iraq.
Armitage, one of the innumerable Bush administration graduates of the Reagan era Iran-Contra school of murderous skullduggery, was made a Knight Commander of the Order of St. Michael and St. George (KCMG).
He was joined on the honours list by several US military officers, including Captain John Peterson.
Peterson’s claim to fame? “Peterson, chief of staff to the commander of the US navy in the Middle East, was awarded a CBE (Commander of the British Empire) for – according to the Pentagon – leading British and American forces “in the campaign to secure Iraqi oil assets†at the start of the 2003 invasion.â€
Absent his outstanding service, Iraq might be a shambles.
The news comes to us courtesy of Chris Floyd, who notes Armitage’s efforts on behalf of US-drug dealing terrorist relations during the Iran-Contra affair, and wonders whether even higher honors might be in store for the future former president, assuming that happy designation ever applies.
“ If Armitage gets this kind of gilded wheeze for mere minioning in some of the most murderous operations of the past half-century, then great googily-moogily, what’s George W. going to get, when he retires, for actually being the trigger-man for the world-convulsing killing spree in Iraq? Not to mention his relentless and ruthless gutting of the U.S. Constitution? What honor would suffice for this sterling service? No mere knighthood or baronage will do; Lizzie will have to adopt him into the royal family or something, name him heir to the throne.
After all, his whole life’s work has been aimed at overthrowing the American Revolution and restoring feudal rule by aristocrats, warlords, religious cranks and simpering courtiers. Why not just bring the whole thing full circle back to Buckingham Palace?â€
Armitage — whose former boss, Powell, was made a Knight Commander of The Most Honourable Order of the Bath (KCB), one letter less but one notch above Armitage’s KCMG, for his services in the first Gulf War — was nominated for the honor by British foreign minister Jack Straw, who is no doubt in line for recognition of his own role in facilitating the Mother of All Train Wrecks in Iraq.
July 15th, 2007 at 1:14 pmjayne – funny, i never “pictured†veritas as a female…
huh…
i don’t recall any clues as to either sex actually…
oops? …
Comment by katy — July 15, 2007 @ 1:02 pm
Actually, neither did I until she contacted me through our blog and eventually gave me her real name privately. She’s a good person and a good poster. And don’t worry about the ‘y’, I’m sure that people get that mixed up easily because we’re “Wayne and Jane.” :-)
Pat, I assume that veritas will realize that a) her name was hijacked, and b) you were responding to the hijacker. I wouldn’t worry about it.
July 15th, 2007 at 1:15 pmArmitage leaked Plame’s identity…according to the administration. Lookie here:
CHENEY’S DAUGHTER WORKED FOR ARMITAGE !!!
ARMITAGE ASSOCIATES?
Story cached here:
http://64.233.187.104/search?q=cache:LBJvw5zYj00J:www.upi.com/view.cfm%3FStoryID%3D28022002-082742-5255r+cheney%27s+daughter+armitage+associates&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=1
Cheney’s daughter offered State Dept. job
By ELI J. LAKE
UPI State Department Correspondent
WASHINGTON, Feb. 28 (UPI) — As Vice President Dick Cheney prepares for his tour of the Arab world next month, the State Department’s Near East Affairs Bureau is wooing his daughter for a high-level post, United Press International has learned.
Earlier this month, the State Department officially offered Elizabeth Cheney-Perry a job as the deputy assistant secretary of state for Near East affairs for regional economic issues, according to State Department and administration officials.
These officials — who spoke on condition of anonymity — tell UPI the new post was created specifically for the vice president’s daughter, adding that she will work primarily on economic development in the Middle East.
Prior to attending law school, Cheney-Perry worked for the State Department and the U.S. Agency for International Development between 1989 and 1993. After 1993, she took a job at Armitage Associates LLP, the consulting firm founded by the current deputy secretary of state, Richard Armitage. “She is actually an Armitage person, which a lot of people at the department are,” one senior State Department official told UPI on Thursday.
http://www.alternet.org/story/37490
The Other Cheney Behind the Scenes
By Robert Dreyfuss, The American Prospect. Posted June 13, 2006.
Since 2005, Dick Cheney’s daughter Elizabeth has held a powerful position guiding Middle East policy. And like father, like daughter: Liz is a key player in the push for regime change in Iran and Syria.
At the very heart of U.S. Middle East policy, from the war in Iraq to pressure for regime change in Iran and Syria to the spread of free-market democracy in the region, sits the 39-year-old daughter of Vice President Dick Cheney. Elizabeth “Liz” Cheney, appointed to her post in February 2005, has a tongue-twisting title: principal deputy assistant secretary of state for Near Eastern Affairs and coordinator for broader Middle East and North Africa initiatives. By all accounts, it is an enormously powerful post, and one for which she is uniquely unqualified.
During the past 15 months, Elizabeth Cheney has met with and bolstered a gaggle of Syrian exiles, often in tandem with John Hannah and David Wurmser, top officials in the Office of the Vice President (OVP); has pressed hard for money to accelerate the administration’s ever more overt campaign for forced regime change in both Damascus and Teheran; and has overseen an increasingly discredited push for American-inspired democratic reform from Morocco to Iran.
The Bush/Cheney administration has moved quickly to ensure U.S. corporate control over Iraqi resources at least through the year 2007.
http://sandiego.indymedia.org/en/2003/10/101475.shtml
Peter S. Watson, prior to becoming Chairman, President & CEO of the U.S. Overseas Private Investment Corporation, was Counsel to Winthrop Stimpson Putnam & Roberts advising on international business and trade policy matters.
He concurrently served as Senior Advisor to Armitage Associates, L.C. (As did Dick Cheney’s daughter, who was given the newly created post Undersecretary of State for Middle east Development.) National Security Advisor Condolliza Rice proudly admits she is also an Armitage protege.
THIS IS “ARMITAGE INTERNATIONALâ€
Founded in March of 2005:
http://www.armitageinternational.com/news/
July 15th, 2007 at 1:16 pmI know doing such a thing would not be looked on as “fair playâ€, but WTF? Sometimes, you have to fight dirty with overwhelming dirty.
Comment by Marcus Aurelius
Right! Hatch got down to mumbling about “Bin Ladin said…” back to the old talking points! Babbling apoligist bootlicker! That’s what these people are! We all see them as the greedy little wanna be hedge-fund suck-ups that they really are.
“let them win”…. another damn 3 word sales pitch slogan for the “pundits” to parrot for another month!
I hate these people! Amway salesmen and drugstore cowboys!
I wish Webb would have beat his ass for putting words in the mouths of soldiers like that! He should have. I damn sure would have.
July 15th, 2007 at 1:16 pmGraham might be gay, but let’s not equate being gay with being single. Marriage isn’t for everyone, including many straight people. And I’ve known several gays who marry the opposite sex in spite of being homosexual. The two states aren’t related via cause and effect, so we shouldn’t apply them as if they are. Thanks
July 15th, 2007 at 1:17 pmA fine, after pleading guilty, and censure by the Senate, at most. On the other hand, it would catapult Webb and the Dems into the driver’s seat regarding National defense issues. After all, there’s no such thing as bad Press. It would be a positive career move in the final analysis.
Somebody needs to stand up to these thugs. Webb might be the one who can actually do it.
July 15th, 2007 at 1:18 pmHi all. I had to rant there for a second. I’m back in control.
and that is name jacking. veritas wouldn’t say that.
July 15th, 2007 at 1:21 pmHard to be a “family values” type when you don’t have a family of your own. there’s also the fact that he doesn’t have any skin in the game (in the form of offspring).
The real reason I think Graham is considered gay, is because he looks just like a cooter.
July 15th, 2007 at 1:24 pmComment by willyloman — July 15, 2007 @ 1:21 pm
Hey there, willy. Where’dja rant?
July 15th, 2007 at 1:25 pmJane: 94. I wanted to see Webb smake Hatch around for putting words in the soldiers mouth.
July 15th, 2007 at 1:26 pmGraham might be gay,…
Comment by unbelievable
That’s my bet, and has also been rumored.
July 15th, 2007 at 1:27 pm(not that there’s anything wrong with that)
heads up, TP… good advice for hillary here…
Rachel Maddow’s Campaign Asylum: Stop Being STuPiD On Iraq
http://www.crooksandliars.com/
good points for all to consider…
July 15th, 2007 at 1:29 pm.
Ah. Willy, I guess I didn’t really consider that as “out of control.”
I’m going to check out the baseball game for a little while. Guard my name until I get back! :D
July 15th, 2007 at 1:29 pmHard to be a “family values†type when you don’t have a family of your own.
That is something a Republican would say…
And it’s not true. Families can be defined a number of different ways. It’s essentially a type of social group.
I don’t care for Graham’s politics but to assume he must be gay because he is single is unfair to stereotype all single adults as gay, which leads to divisiveness and ostracization.
there’s also the fact that he doesn’t have any skin in the game (in the form of offspring).
So? I have no children, but I very much care that other people’s children be treated like valuable human beings. As a result, I oppose sending them to the war. Don’t need to have kids to value them.
The real reason I think Graham is considered gay, is because he looks just like a cooter.
Comment by Marcus Aurelius — July 15, 2007 @ 1:24 pm
He is effeminate. Maybe he is gay. I’m not arguing that point. I’m simply saying that his being single does not make him gay.
July 15th, 2007 at 1:32 pmGraham might be gay, but let’s not equate being gay with being single.
Comment by unbelievable — July 15, 2007 @ 1:17 pm
I dont’ think that was the comparison.
I think it has to do with his limp wrist, his effeminate mannerisms, and his lisp.
:|
Not to mention his recent appearance on “Queer eye for the Straight Guy”.
July 15th, 2007 at 1:37 pmThe real reason I think Graham is considered gay, is because he looks just like a cooter.
Comment by Marcus Aurelius — July 15, 2007 @ 1:24 pm
Cooter?
ahh, a small tree dwelling marsupial that feeds mostly on foilage and berries.
July 15th, 2007 at 1:39 pmIf ou could show that Graham’s secret homsexuality was subjecting him to political blackmail, that might be a story. Otherwise I don’t thnk it has a lot of relevance to today’s discussion.
July 15th, 2007 at 1:39 pmWhat are “family values” anyway?
So far it’s helping companies make money off “No Child Left Behind” while the kids are getting further and further down the list of industrialized nations educations rankings.
and keeping 4.1 children without health care for the insurance industry.
and sending their parents off to occupy Iraq for oil companies.
and teaching them that gays can’t serve in the military because they are “evil”.
and privatizing aid thru the “faith based inniciatives” that allow church organizations to skim money off the top while forcing needy people to come to their church to pick up the aid.
and of course, “shock and awe”.
Those the “family values” you are talking about?
July 15th, 2007 at 1:39 pmI dont’ think that was the comparison.
It sure sounded like it.
I think it has to do with his limp wrist, his effeminate mannerisms, and his lisp.
Not to mention his recent appearance on “Queer eye for the Straight Guyâ€.
Comment by BARTLEBEE — July 15, 2007 @ 1:37 pm
Is that you Worfeus?
July 15th, 2007 at 1:39 pmahh, a small tree dwelling marsupial that feeds mostly on foilage and berries.
Comment by BARTLEBEE
No. Cooter is the mechanic from Dukes of Hazard. and the long lost brother of Scooter.
July 15th, 2007 at 1:40 pmSo far it’s helping companies make money off “No Child Left Behind†while the kids are getting further and further down the list of industrialized nations educations rankings.
Ding Ding Ding! :D
I am blown away by how bad the system is. It really has become all about punishment and subjegation. Which, they call nurture…
And NONE of thr Democratic candidates seem to want to change it!
Those the “family values†you are talking about?
Comment by willyloman — July 15, 2007 @ 1:39 pm
Just lipstick on a pig…
July 15th, 2007 at 1:46 pmSICKO!
Dog and pony show? That’s right.
It appears that dogs in this country have better health care than soldiers.
July 15th, 2007 at 1:48 pmDid Military and Media Mislead Us?
July 15th, 2007 at 1:53 pm
Is that you Worfeus?
Comment by unbelievable — July 15, 2007 @ 1:39 pm
Whats a Worfeus?
:D
July 15th, 2007 at 1:54 pmNo. Cooter is the mechanic from Dukes of Hazard. and the long lost brother of Scooter.
Comment by willyloman — July 15, 2007 @ 1:40 pm
LoL.
Oh THAT cooter!
Of course, he reminds me more of Roscoe. Doing Boss Hoggs bidding.
July 15th, 2007 at 1:55 pm#44: That lie served its purpose at the time.
Comment by Drinkin’ and stinkin’ — July 15, 2007 @ 12:40 pm
The thug that you are. The thug that you are.
Thuglicks = Traitors
Thuglicks = Street Thugs
Thuglicks = 2-bit Street Gangsters
Thuglicks Belong in Jail
You are America’s domestic enemy, as much as the ‘terrists’ are America’s foreign enemy. Men died for that lie, you chickenhawk little trick. You will burn burn burn, for your sins sins sins. Even your own hack ‘party’ and it’s bible thumpin christofascist coalition can tell you that.
You believe that the lives and limbs of American soldiers, as well as those of innocent Iraqis’, are worth American glory, wealth and empire. That is why you’re sick. Street thugs and street hoods think innocent lives are worth the glory of, and dominance by, their ‘own’ neighborhood over other ‘hoods’. You and your ilk are 2-bit street hoods substituting nation for neighborhood. The most vile part about you is that even though this is true, you believe yourself to be superior to the street hood and the organized criminal. You are not. You are worse.
July 15th, 2007 at 1:55 pmIt must be a true ordeal for Mr Webb, a true professional, to even
July 15th, 2007 at 1:56 pmsit at the same table with whats his name. The contrast between
the 2 is alarming. A Professional Militarily man, and a water boy.
It appears that dogs in this country have better health care than soldiers.
Comment by John Gilpins — July 15, 2007 @ 1:48 pm
Because veternarians generally care about their patients, and don’t have to please large insurance companies nor cater to profits of medical boards.
You know, that’s an excellent analogy. A dog in the country does have it better off in terms of quality health care than a soldier serving his or her country. I’m glad my cats can get great care, because I value them, but should it be better than mine?
Sad…. Good point John.
July 15th, 2007 at 1:57 pmI have never seen Graham so unhinged.
It is obvious by the way he talked over Webb that he does not want the truth to get out about what is happening in Iraq.
Webb is just the man to get that truth out.
Again I have never seen Graham so out of control.
July 15th, 2007 at 1:57 pmUmmmm…settle down there, big fella.
“That is something a Republican would say…”
No. It’s not. It’s the equivalent of what we liberals say about chickenhawks, and on a regular basis. And it’s true.
I’m not saying, nor have I, nor would I, that being single in any way denotes homosexuality. I’m all for gay marriage. Being single or being married has nothing to do with sexual orientation.
My point: Why would someone who hasn’t, for whatever reason, made a commitment to family, stand on a soap box and rant about “Family Values”? Kind of like priests dispensing marital advice (in this example, to someone who isn’t even Catholic) – it might be okay, if that’s where you place your trust, but I would think that a person of your peer group and with experience in the subject would have more accurate insights into the subject (don’t frame this as an attack on catholiscism – it ain’t).
As for children: yeah – we all care about kids. We all love dogs too. But we love our dogs best. This is where Webb should be given full faith and credit as a politician: He has played the game and he has skin in the game. Do you honestly think that you care as much about Webb’s son as he does?
Again, I’m not saying that if you’re single, you’re gay.
BTW – you’re waaaay oversensitive on this issue.
July 15th, 2007 at 1:58 pmComment by BARTLEBEE — July 15, 2007 @ 1:54 pm
:| gave it away :D
How are you?
July 15th, 2007 at 1:58 pmIt’s good to see some fire in the 2006 class of Democrats. I have no doubt that passion like Webb’s will lead the 111th Congress to do some real good and try to repair the damage caused by Bush and his corporatist cronies.
July 15th, 2007 at 1:58 pmGraham looked like he was about to blow a gasket.
July 15th, 2007 at 1:59 pm:| gave it away :D
How are you?
Comment by unbelievable — July 15, 2007 @ 1:58 pm
Hush child.
I like being here.
July 15th, 2007 at 1:59 pmOf course, he reminds me more of Roscoe. Doing Boss Hoggs bidding.
Comment by BARTLEBEE
I see I am up against a learnered man! You are well versed in your redneck pop-culture, sir. I stand one-upped.
July 15th, 2007 at 2:00 pmI’m glad you’re in here kicking troll butt and taking voter registration numbers.
July 15th, 2007 at 2:01 pmI see I am up against a learnered man! You are well versed in your redneck pop-culture, sir. I stand one-upped.
Comment by willyloman — July 15, 2007 @ 2:00 pm
July 15th, 2007 at 2:03 pmNow what Bo and Luke didn’t know was that Roscoe was down by the Tigris waiting to trap the General Petreaus in sand pit…
UPDATE: Commenters Ann and Katy note Webb’s son has served in Iraq…
:-) …eek! …
and i wondered the same thing, but didn’t want to blow his cover…
July 15th, 2007 at 2:03 pmi like having him here…
Of course, he reminds me more of Roscoe. Doing Boss Hoggs bidding.
Comment by BARTLEBEE
And Joe Lieberman is Flash.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheriff_Rosco_P._Coltrane
July 15th, 2007 at 2:04 pmI don’t know if this is appropriate, and I hope it isn’t taken the wrong way by Tired of Fighting….
but since his very personal posting I thought it would be respectful to visit his fallen friends memorial.
I found it on the net, and feel that if any of you feel the same way, here is the link…
http://www.legacy.com/ Soldier/ Story.aspx?PersonID=3130083
I am so glad Tired of Fighting posted here. Bush keeps us from seeing the tributes to the fallen on tv and in the papers because he knows it will make these “commas†real people and that will hasten this countries resolve to ending this.
It is in the spirit of putting a face with the name that I give you this link. In hopes that the reality of it sinks into some. Out of respect for the man that I did not know and his friend, Tired of Fighting, I hope this doesn’t overreach my limits.
July 15th, 2007 at 2:04 pmMeanwhile, Boss Hogg was busy dismantling the constitution, and cooking up a vat of ma’s homemade cider…
July 15th, 2007 at 2:04 pm…then! all of a sudden, Mayor Cheney came in and shot Luke in the face (cus he was drunk) and said “ehhhh. so there. ehhhhh.
July 15th, 2007 at 2:06 pmI am so glad Tired of Fighting posted here. Bush keeps us from seeing the tributes to the fallen on tv and in the papers because he knows it will make these “commas†real people and that will hasten this countries resolve to ending this.
Comment by willyloman — July 15, 2007 @ 2:04 pm
I just hope real soldiers came in and saw what the right wing thinks is funny.
Perhaps now I understand why TP didn’t delete those, or the other racial comments made by Mr. President, our resident inbred.
Because sometimes, its best to just let them talk, and let the rest of the world see what they’re really all about.
Sometimes, their own words can do more damage to them then we ever could.
July 15th, 2007 at 2:07 pmAnd Joe Lieberman is Flash.
http://en.wikipedia.org/ wiki/ Sheriff_Rosco_P._Coltrane
Comment by barfly — July 15, 2007 @ 2:04 pm
You know you’re right?
Its an identical likeness.
July 15th, 2007 at 2:08 pmHis name is Enos, hyuck, hyuck, hyuck
July 15th, 2007 at 2:09 pmUmmmm…settle down there, big fella.
Not big, not a fella, and not unsettled.
No. It’s not. It’s the equivalent of what we liberals say about chickenhawks, and on a regular basis. And it’s true.
No it is exactly what conservatives do. I grew up in a family of them. They stereotype people who are not in the mainstream.
It’s not the same as calling someone a chickenhawk, not at all. It’s more like calling a poor person uneducated. They might be, but they aren’t necessarily.
I’m not saying, nor have I, nor would I, that being single in any way denotes homosexuality. I’m all for gay marriage. Being single or being married has nothing to do with sexual orientation.
But your post equated his singlehood with his being gay by including it in the determination of his being gay. You listed it as evidence. See where that goes?
Glad you feel that way. It didn’t come across that way in your original post, and I pointed it out as a clarification.
My point: Why would someone who hasn’t, for whatever reason, made a commitment to family, stand on a soap box and rant about “Family Valuesâ€? Kind of like priests dispensing marital advice (in this example, to someone who isn’t even Catholic) – it might be okay, if that’s where you place your trust, but I would think that a person of your peer group and with experience in the subject would have more accurate insights into the subject (don’t frame this as an attack on catholiscism – it ain’t).
First Amendment. You think you shouldn’t have a right to criticize the occupation of Iraq because you don’t run an Army?
As for children: yeah – we all care about kids. We all love dogs too. But we love our dogs best. This is where Webb should be given full faith and credit as a politician: He has played the game and he has skin in the game.
I don’t do faith. And I don’t think his service nor his sons discredit those of us who have neither. It’s his point of view from reason that I value. Because there are people who have served and they are for the war from a position of faith. I like that Webb’s going on reason, and not gut, regardless of how much skin he has in teh game.
Do you honestly think that you care as much about Webb’s son as he does?
Where did I say that I did? And how does that make his opposition to the war any more valid than mine? It’s a slippery slope.
Again, I’m not saying that if you’re single, you’re gay.
It sounded that way, so I simply gave my two cents. You don’t have to like it, but making ad hominem insults really isn’t necessary.
BTW – you’re waaaay oversensitive on this issue.
Comment by Marcus Aurelius — July 15, 2007 @ 1:58 pm
You’re projecting. I was simply making a point.
You know because you have skin in that game? No? Hmmm…. Then take your own advice. LOL
July 15th, 2007 at 2:10 pmHey leave UnB alone.
She’s one of the good guys…. er….gals.
July 15th, 2007 at 2:13 pmMost gay people I know are in relationships. Happy relationships.
July 15th, 2007 at 2:13 pmThats true Willy. The problem with conservative gays is that it contradicts their holier than thou image of themselves.
Its just too hard to squeeze someone else into their own little closets.
Which is why they invariably end up hiring gay prostitutes, or fondling underage congressional interns.
July 15th, 2007 at 2:17 pmHey leave UnB alone.
She’s one of the good guys…. er….gals.
Comment by BARTLEBEE — July 15, 2007 @ 2:13 pm
Thanks… He’s just trying to turn it into a fight when I called him out on something he said. No biggie.
We seem to be light on trolls today. I wish it would stay that way. I registered at Daily kos just in case they appear, but I agree with you – I prefer this format the best.
July 15th, 2007 at 2:18 pmLook at Ted Haggard.
Heres a self righteous self proffessed minister of God, leading one of the largest evangelical conservative churches in the country, who also happened to be a personal spirirtual advisor to Bush.
This guy built his church and his name on the denunciation of homosexuality.
Then we find out he’s not only homosexual himself, but gets his dick from homosexual prostitutes, as well as illegal hardcore drugs.
:|
The right wing chrisitan conservative movement is a sham.
July 15th, 2007 at 2:20 pm#20 by Ace
This is totally backed up by the book “Imperial Life in the Emerald City”. He gives example after example of intent, not imcompetence, to insure failure in post fall of Saddam Iraq. Every person with good intentions and expertise in their field who went there to rebuild Iraq was replaced with someone incompetent and out of their depth and range. That book just blew me away. It is clear that is wasn’t just blundering and bad management. It was intentional. Nobody and no group of people are that incompetent.
July 15th, 2007 at 2:27 pmIt is no wonder things have played out like they have. I don’t believe for a second we ever intended to be successful in Iraq on behalf of the Iraqi people. It was like one big stall tactic, waiting for it to disintegrate while we bult our bases, secured the oil, milked the treasury for the private contractors (and whoever else), and focused totally on US interests alone – which I believe was building up to prepare for phase two (maneuvering and preparing to move into Iran and Syria next). I wish I knew what was really go on. I don’t believe anyone in this country really gets the ‘big picture’. I am afraid once we figure it out it will be too late to stop it.
And Ace, I appreciate everything you write about and ever link you provide. Thanks.
July 15th, 2007 at 2:28 pmThe right wing chrisitan conservative movement is a sham.
Comment by BARTLEBEE — July 15, 2007 @ 2:20 pm
I’m not fond of any religion. It requires that you accept things on faith, and ignore all evidence to the contrary. If people are willing to take that approach with their religious beliefs, then they will be open to applying them to other aspects of their view, and before long we wind up with a government that operates on the same faith as the Catholic Church… And we see where that’s gotten us…
July 15th, 2007 at 2:30 pmUnfortunately, Webb did not reply, when Graham kept repeating that the troops keep reenlisting, that that statement is simply not true. Reenlistment rates were down in May and June for the Army. In June, in particular, the Army missed its goal by 1000 soldiers. The Democrats, in particular those Democrats who are supposed to be antiwar, have to be better prepared when they engage a warmonger like Graham. That is, if they are able to get a word in edgewise, with Tim Russert sitting there like a statue, allowing chaos to take over that discussion.
Comment by Erroll — July 15, 2007 @ 12:58 pm
In a debate, there is no way to prepare for an opponent who will lie – other thant to rebut every assertion with the statement, “that is a lieâ€. Not very good for getting your message out. This is why Russert is such a failure as a moderator – the moderator’s job is to fact-check and correct improper. erroneous, or disingenuous statements by one side or the other.
Web should have simply knocked Graham to the ground and dared him to try to get off of the floor. If Russert stepped in, Webb should have knocked his ass down, too. I know doing such a thing would not be looked on as “fair playâ€, but WTF? Sometimes, you have to fight dirty with overwhelming dirty.
Comment by Marcus Aurelius
Graham was referring to the 600 guys who reenlisted this week while in Iraq. Webb has repeatedly pointed out, during introduction of his legislation and during debate, that the reenlistment rates are down, and elsewhere in the discussion with Graham he pointed out that enlistment rates are down. I thought Webb did a great job of looking very much like he’d like to knock Graham’s ass out, but he was doing enough of a job on him rhetorically for it not to be necessary. Graham was floundering by the end of the round. It’s not necessary in debate to do a point by point refutation of every single thing. Instead, Webb openly laughed at some of Graham’s comments, and hit him with zingers like his response to Graham’s point that he hadn’t been to Iraq: “Neither have you. You’ve been to the dog and pony show.” He also adopted one of Graham’s arguments – that we have to hit them there or they’ll come here, and that foreign fighters are responsible for the mayhem – and extended it to its logical conclusion by retorting that since 45% of foreign fighters come from Saudi Arabia by Graham’s reasoning we should attack SA, and for that matter, any other country that the foreign fighters are coming from. Webb also ridiculed Graham’s assertion that AQ is against us in Iraq because they don’t want a democracy there.
July 15th, 2007 at 2:36 pmYou should go back and read the posts. Who said fight? Did I offend you? Called me out? I do believe I responded appropriately and clearly to your post. I also believe I was polite in doing so. Please show me my error. If you want to attribute animosity to my posts, that’s okay – but it’s all you.
Like I said, you’re waaaaaay too sensitive.
July 15th, 2007 at 2:41 pmAce you’re one of these Neo-Nazi “patriots” who are now in cahoot with Stalinists and Islamists.
July 15th, 2007 at 2:42 pmYou posts conspiracy sites that don’t have an credibility!
Keep believing this NWO crap.
You clowns have been crying this since the 50’s!
The John Birch Society-Stalinist0-Islamic alliance!
This is too funny!
Did I?
July 15th, 2007 at 2:43 pmFirst Amendment? No. But I also don’t think that a person who is not a General should be screaming “Charge!” from the sidelines.
July 15th, 2007 at 2:46 pmWhich is why they invariably end up hiring gay prostitutes, or fondling underage congressional interns.
Comment by BARTLEBEE
or getting arrested in park restrooms by boyish looking cops?
July 15th, 2007 at 2:48 pmLike I said, you’re waaaaaay too sensitive.
Comment by Marcus Aurelius — July 15, 2007 @ 2:41 pm
you’re fairly new around here, huh? :-)
just know, you’ll have your work cut out for you…
July 15th, 2007 at 2:49 pm…
Like I said, you’re waaaaaay too sensitive.
Comment by Marcus Aurelius — July 15, 2007 @ 2:41 pm
LOL… Whatever Marcus.
July 15th, 2007 at 2:49 pmWaaaayyy, waaaaayyyy too sensitive.
Damn. Okay. I take it all back. Everything I wrote was directed at you, personally, with the intention to malign, damage, insult, discredit and libel. And even though you attribute both motive and statement to me that are not mine, I will accept responsibility for them because you said I said them and that that was how I am. Please feel free to attribute any ol’ thing to me. I’m your huckelberry. I was wrong and you were right.
Feel better?
Sincerely.
July 15th, 2007 at 2:52 pmI hate to be the one who points this out…but Generals don’t really rush into the front lines with fixed bayonettes, either.
not that I’m sayin….I’m just sayin….. some Generals care deeply about their men. Some of those Generals are no longer in charge after disagreeing with “the decider”.
Isn’t it funny how one minute he’s “the decider” and the next it’s all about “the Generals in the field”?
What do you think would happen if after they all say “General Petraeus” is the man with the plan…He comes out and says “we need to get our troops the hell out of here?”
July 15th, 2007 at 2:54 pmyou’re fairly new around here, huh? :-)
just know, you’ll have your work cut out for you…
Comment by katy — July 15, 2007 @ 2:49 pm
Says the cranky old bat who is sooo obssessed with me? Why can’t you just respect that other grown adults can make their own decisions without your help, and can disagree with your assessments without you making it into gross hysteria? Get over it already. It’s pathetically desperate at this point. You’re not the police of other people. Stop acting like it. Sheesh…
July 15th, 2007 at 2:54 pmHe’ll “retire”.
July 15th, 2007 at 2:55 pmLindsey Graham did the only thing he could on MTP today. He had no facts or reality to justify his unquestioned support for Bush’s War, so he shouted over Webb, interrupted constantly, and repeated the same old lies we’ve heard before.
Yes, Webb was too polite, but he made his points about “supporting the troops.” Call both offices tomorrow to thank Webb and chastize Graham.
What a pathetic group of Republican losers. McConnell, Graham, Lieberman, McCain, Kyl, and Duncan in the HR. They’re headed for the trash heap of history.
July 15th, 2007 at 2:56 pmI have never seen Graham so unhinged.
* * *
True. Sounds like Gomer Pyle on dexedrine.
And I don’t care if he’s gay, either: What more t troublesome is that he’s kind of Arlen Specter-ish, i.e., sometimes he’ll seem to grab a handful of political courage and oppose Bush, only to simmer down and preach the Party Line. He’s really a smart guy, but shit howdy, that Webb’s a bulldog, isn’t he?
July 15th, 2007 at 2:56 pmThis is off-topic, but does anyone know if the sbject of Hariett Miers [sp?] came up in the talking heads shows today?
I don’t understand how claiming Executive Privilege allows one to not show up for a hearing. Once she gets there and they ask her to state her name, then she can claim Executive Privilege, but is she not in Contempt of Congress for not showing up at all? Why has she not been taken into custody by the Sergeant-at-Arms?
July 15th, 2007 at 2:56 pmWhy do South Carolinans vote this asswipe into office?
Aside from his cowardly military record (National Guard lawyer??) during the Gulf war, his general demeanor is an embarrassment.
The word “powderpuff” comes to mind.
He’s a chickenhawk, for God’s sake. He’s yellow. He went to Iraq to shop, not to fight or even place himself in anything remotely considered “harm’s way”.
Come on South Carolina: Good grief, call this poofy wimp tomorrow and tell him to grow a set. Get him out of Congress.
July 15th, 2007 at 2:57 pmMarcus you’re proving exactly who is overly senstitive all on your own, so I’ll leave you to it. You don’t need my help in outing yourself. LOL Good luck with that.
July 15th, 2007 at 2:57 pmHe’ll “retireâ€.
Comment by Marcus Aurelius
Yep. He retires to speaking engagements like C. Powell and they are on to the next savior General.
Did you know that when Powell speaks he has an agreement with the audiance that everything he says is “off the record” and they can’t publish anything he says?
What is wrong with this country, that we allow that to happen.
Congress should subpeana Colin Powell and force him to talk.
July 15th, 2007 at 2:58 pmCome on South Carolina: Good grief, call this poofy wimp tomorrow and tell him to grow a set. Get him out of Congress.
Comment by G Whiz — July 15, 2007 @ 2:57 pm
Huh? Last week you were arguing for the Republicans… Is that you Rachel?
July 15th, 2007 at 3:00 pmWhat do you think would happen if after they all say “General Petraeus†is the man with the plan…He comes out and says “we need to get our troops the hell out of here?â€
Comment by willyloman — July 15, 2007 @ 2:54 pm
He’ll “retireâ€.
Comment by Marcus Aurelius — July 15, 2007 @ 2:55 pm
Petraeus was inserted in this new strategery to simply run interferrence for chimpy and shooter. It’s laughable when the WH says they don’t want politics to play a part in this. Every step they make is mired in politics.
July 15th, 2007 at 3:00 pmEgreggious;
She didn’t show up because she is a lawyer. She knows she can’t claim Executive Privilege if the argument is that the Presidents Office was not involved.
The only way to protect the President was not to go.
And yes, that puts her in contempt of congress. i think.
July 15th, 2007 at 3:01 pmWhat is wrong with this country, that we allow that to happen.
Comment by willyloman — July 15, 2007 @ 2:58 pm
Television.
Think about how the face of media, and our culture, changed when they started to capture audiences in the 60’s?
The average American spends close to 5 hours a day in front of the t.v. Which is a one-way format. You can’t give back, or have a dialog… People are forgetting how to communicate.
July 15th, 2007 at 3:03 pmI say we go back to my plan of one week ago. We all go to the White House and fling our feces on the lawn.
Of course, we will all get shot and then butt-raped by the DC police.
But hey, it’ll look good on Countdown!
July 15th, 2007 at 3:04 pmBartlebee, I’m grinning from ear to ear! See? :D
July 15th, 2007 at 3:04 pmNixon’s attorney is the reason Nixon’s crimes were revealed. I’m guessing Cheney and Rove remember that and have advised Bush to charm Miers out of testifying, because she will spill something about the many crimes he has committed…
July 15th, 2007 at 3:06 pmOf course, we will all get … butt-raped by the DC police.
Comment by willyloman — July 15, 2007 @ 3:04 pm
Cont me in!
July 15th, 2007 at 3:06 pm*Count*
July 15th, 2007 at 3:06 pm(puff puff puff) Me Too!
July 15th, 2007 at 3:07 pmUhhhh…I think I’m busy, that day.
July 15th, 2007 at 3:08 pmNot that I’m a fan of the man and not that I don’t agree that Jim Webb owned Lindsey Graham, but one should note that Senator Graham is a Colonel in the Air Force Reserve. Though a JAG, he’s not a chickenhawk who’s never served.
July 15th, 2007 at 3:08 pmjeesh… fuk you if you can’t take a joke, un…
July 15th, 2007 at 3:08 pmor a compliment… what’d i tell ya, marcus…
LOL
Site monitors: Why do you let “unbelievable” post here? Nothing but a troll inciting others.
July 15th, 2007 at 3:08 pmLet’s replay Lindsey Graham’s message:
1. Ignore the will of the People of the United States.
2. Utilize sock puppet Gen. Petreaus to advance the myths of the Bush administration.
That’s it. BushCo is holding a pair of deuces in their hand and bettin’ the farm on it.
I think they’ve a bit over-extended on their stakes. Time to call in their markers and kick ‘em off the table.
July 15th, 2007 at 3:09 pmThis will all become moot when Dubya declares a National Emergency, which puts all the levers of power into the hands of political appointees. This process started under Carter during the Cold War, but has been expanded and modified by Bush so he can declare such a state, and our experiment in Democracy will be gone forever.
We have provisions for getting into Martial Law – but none that I know of to get back out.
These idiots have committed such crimes, they don’t dare let go of the reins of power.
July 15th, 2007 at 3:10 pmWhat do you think would happen if after they all say “General Petraeus†is the man with the plan…He comes out and says “we need to get our troops the hell out of here?â€
Comment by willyloman — July 15, 2007 @ 2:54 pm
this morning i heard talk of all the supplies and equipment that would
need to be brought out of iraq “when” we leave…
what the hell for?!?!? … leave it all there…
we destroyed the country, it’s the least we could do for those people…
leave it all there… bring the troops home.
July 15th, 2007 at 3:11 pm.
Jim Webb is a Marine. A boots-on-the-ground Marine. Not a lawyer in a uniform.
July 15th, 2007 at 3:11 pm” In 2004, Graham received a promotion to Colonel in the U.S. Air Force Reserves at a White House ceremony officiated by President George W. Bush.”
hmmmmmmmmm. supported Bush’s plans in Iraq. recieved promotion to Colonel…….by Bush……..hmmmmmmmmmm
July 15th, 2007 at 3:11 pmComment by tedHaggart — July 15, 2007 @ 3:11 pm
Ted, you can switch back to your old moniker now if you want.
July 15th, 2007 at 3:14 pmCol. Lindsey Klink.
July 15th, 2007 at 3:14 pmThanks. I’ll do that
July 15th, 2007 at 3:15 pm“ooo. ooo. I get to be a Colonel Now?!! Can i tell people what to do? Do I get my OWN army? ooooooo”
July 15th, 2007 at 3:16 pmRemember, Colonel, don’t ask, don’t tell.
July 15th, 2007 at 3:17 pmAfter 21 years in the USAF I can tell you that most good officers have left the military. This has left a vacuum for the likes of Pace, Petraeus and Grahamcracker. “Yes” men to the worst prez in our 231 year history. These type officers will do anything for promotion and have all drank the kool-aid.
Even our military has become politicized by the thugs in the WH. What a tragedy.
July 15th, 2007 at 3:20 pmjeesh… fuk you if you can’t take a joke, un…or a compliment…
Why don’t you worry about controlling yourself instead of trying to control me.
That was not a joke nor a compliment. Don’t lie. You know we don’t have that kind of rapport. Sheesh. Just stay out of my business.
what’d i tell ya, marcus… LOL
Comment by katy — July 15, 2007 @ 3:08 pm
Oh, that’s right… I forgot, in your mind, you’re never wrong and everyone LOVES you… LOL.
July 15th, 2007 at 3:21 pmI wonder if Col. Graham calls Lt.s into his office so he can pleasure himself on their stripes?
July 15th, 2007 at 3:21 pmI wonder if Col. Graham calls Lt.s into his office so he can pleasure himself on their stripes?
Comment by willyloman — July 15, 2007 @ 3:21 pm
And I was just about to observe how civilized it was around here today without the trolls. Internal bickering aside.
July 15th, 2007 at 3:28 pmSomebody needs a time-out.
July 15th, 2007 at 3:28 pmNothing but a troll inciting others.
Comment by G Whiz — July 15, 2007 @ 3:08 pm
LOL Exactly what Rachel would say…
It’s hard for you to hide, even with the name changes. LOL
July 15th, 2007 at 3:31 pmAnd I was just about to observe how civilized it was around here today without the trolls. Internal bickering aside.
Comment by Egreggious
Over the line huh?
July 15th, 2007 at 3:33 pmSomebody needs a time-out.
Comment by Marcus Aurelius — July 15, 2007 @ 3:28 pm
You first. LOL
July 15th, 2007 at 3:34 pmOver the line huh?
Comment by willyloman — July 15, 2007 @ 3:33 pm
It all pales in cmparison to the attack on Tired of Fighting. Thanks for remembering Sgt. Sherman today, by the way. Tomorrow would have been his birthday. Something tells me I’ll be gloomy all day.
July 15th, 2007 at 3:36 pmHey you two….don’t make me paint the picture of Col. Graham and the Lt. Cus I’ll do it. i mean it.
July 15th, 2007 at 3:36 pmuh boy… more fodder:
FOXNews’ Brit Hume Compares Democrats To Failed Iraqi Government
July 15th, 2007 at 3:38 pmBy: Logan Murphy @ 11:40 AM – PDT
FOXNews wanker anchor Brit Hume spoke with Senator Carl Levin (D-MI) this morning about the situation in Iraq and the failure of the puppet government to show any measurable signs of progress. In typical Fox fashion, Hume floats out the ridiculous notion that the Democrats have failed to live up to their agenda and getting nothing done — attempting a veiled comparison to the Iraqi government.
http://www.crooksandliars.com/
Lindsay Graham is not gay.
In 2000, durin’ the South Carolina primary, I was visitin’ a friend up there in South Carolina there. We splurged one night and ate at one of them fancy Hooter restaurants. I saw Cooter and Scooter, too. Guess who else I seen?
I couldn’t believe my eyes. Here we were eatin’ that fancy chow with all the fixins and John McCain walked in, along with his wife, and Linday Graham. Cindy was holdin’ a black baby and Lindsay Graham had three children. They were all callin’ Lindsay Pa. Pa this. Pa that. Pa this. Pa. Pa. Pa. Lindsay was talkin’ about Ma. Stop that talkin’ about Lindsay bein’ gay.
Nah! Nah! Nah! He’s a Pa.
I KID you not. See, our fine prez was right about John McCain. He has a black child.
July 15th, 2007 at 3:40 pmComment by katy
Wow. pretty soon they will just say all democrats are linked to Al Qaeda.
July 15th, 2007 at 3:41 pmIt happens when you post here for a while – you find that some people need to mind your business more than their own, and that whenever you disagree with someone, they use it as an opportunity to make themselves feel better about you not liking them. It’s a pretty long history. I ignore her until she pokes her nose into my business and then I call her on it. If she’d just stay away as I’ve asked repeatedly, there would be no problem. Except that she can’t. It’s old.
July 15th, 2007 at 3:42 pmReceiving the promotion to “colonel” by an AWOL coward and WAR CRIMINAL TRAITOR to the USA must be SUCH an HONOR for Lindsay!!
July 15th, 2007 at 3:42 pmWhats really funny is the idiots continued to mock the left for years, and still do, over Bill Clinton having a “Heterosexual” relationship with a pretty, big breasted intern.
Meanwhile the Holy Rollers are off screwing paid ponyboys and fondling underage male interns.
Its poetic justice.
July 15th, 2007 at 3:43 pmI love katy.
July 15th, 2007 at 3:44 pmReceiving the promotion to “colonel†by an AWOL coward and WAR CRIMINAL TRAITOR to the USA must be SUCH an HONOR for Lindsay!!
REAL CHICKENHAWK PRIDE!!
Yassuh!!!
July 15th, 2007 at 3:45 pm…actually, I’ve only read her posts from today, but she’s made some interesting points. Very believeable.
July 15th, 2007 at 3:46 pmToo bad Senator Webb didn’t know about this before he ‘pressed the meet’ with Graham:
“BAGHDAD — The dress code at the Blue Star restaurant inside Baghdad’s Green Zone now calls for vest and hat.
Flak vest and Kevlar helmet, to be precise. And it’s a good thing.
At least four mortar rounds hit inside the Green Zone about 1:30 p.m. Saturday, killing two Iraqi civilians, according to a U.S. soldier who could not speak for attribution because he’s not authorized to talk to reporters.
Meanwhile, a State Department official, after initially denying that State had ordered its 1,000 Baghdad personnel to wear protective gear, said that a copy of the order obtained by McClatchy Newspapers was an undiscussable security breach.”
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/homepage/story/17960.html
July 15th, 2007 at 3:48 pmComment by unbelievable — July 15, 2007 @ 3:42 pm
wow… who the hell asked, un?
looks like you’re talking to yourself, hon… what’s your problem? …
oh, i know… gawd, i am soooo glad that stage is behind me…
just go with it, stay off the HRT and it will be better soon enough…
i guess you didn’t get the joke… i was warning marcus, there, that you
were a mighty opponent, that he had his work cut out for him…
surprised that went over your tripple digit iq head…
there… you can have the last word again…
July 15th, 2007 at 3:52 pm…
Comment by katy — July 15, 2007 @ 3:38 pm
I accidentally post this on the wrong thread:
It’s not just the obstructionism of a Republic Congress that gives the impression of an ineffective Congress. It is also the “I don’t recall†and “Executive Privilege†crowd.
I wonder how many Congresses in the past have had unusually low approval ratings when the president was also unpopular. I would imagine there would be a correspondence, as Americans have a tendency to lump the whole federal government into one big pile, with the Prez being the only recognizable face.
July 15th, 2007 at 3:53 pmJust a couple of Southern boyz bein’ boyz!!!
Support the troops! Fukc Islamo-Terrorism!
July 15th, 2007 at 3:54 pmHere is another great sign of the ongoing success in Iraq:
“CAMP PENDLETON, Calif. — A Marine corporal said Marines in his unit began routinely beating Iraqis after officers ordered them to “crank up the violence level,” the Los Angeles Times reported.
Cpl. Saul H. Lopezromo testified Saturday at the murder trial of Cpl. Trent D. Thomas.
“We were told to crank up the violence level,” the newspaper quoted Lopezromo as saying in testimony for the defense.
When a juror asked for further explanation, Lopezromo said: “We beat people, sir.”
Unable to find him, the Marines and corpsman dragged another man from his house, fatally shot him, and then planted an AK-47 assault rifle near the body to make it appear he had been killed in a shootout, according to court testimony.
Four Marines and the corpsman, initially charged with murder in the April 2006 killing, have pleaded guilty to reduced charges and been given jail sentences ranging from 10 months to eight years. Thomas, 25, from St. Louis, pleaded guilty but withdrew his plea and is the first defendant to go to court-martial.
Lopezromo, who was not part of the squad on its late-night mission, said he saw nothing wrong with what Thomas did.
“I don’t see it as an execution, sir,” he told the judge, according to the newspaper. “I see it as killing the enemy.”
He said Marines consider all Iraqi men part of the insurgency.
“Because of the way they live, the clans, they’re all in it together,” he said.”
http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003611785
July 15th, 2007 at 3:54 pmAnd thus…without the dreaded trolls, having been vanquished by the light, our heros (for lack of anything better to do) turned and began feeding upon themselves, in a blind fury of bordom surpressing glee.
July 15th, 2007 at 3:56 pmComment by Mr. President KONSERVO — July 15, 2007 @ 3:54 pm
It’s the fundementalist christofacist terrorists you really need to worry about.
They really do have wmd’s and really do use them on a regular basis.
Their leader lives in our White House
July 15th, 2007 at 3:57 pmSupport the troops! Fukc Islamo-Terrorism!
Comment by Mr. President KONSERVO
by taking their names?
July 15th, 2007 at 3:57 pmwow… who the hell asked, un?
Who asked you katy? You’re the one who poked your nose into my business, as usual.
You just cannot leave it alone.
looks like you’re talking to yourself, hon… what’s your problem? …
All that cutting and pasting your comments making you delusional again? Read the comments. It makes sense.
oh, i know… gawd, i am soooo glad that stage is behind me…
You act like a kid. Cleatly yuou’ve looped right back into your youth and that need to boss everyone around. Just stay away from me. Why cannot you do that?
just go with it, stay off the HRT and it will be better soon enough…
What? Are you protecting your personal problems on to other people again? LOL.
i guess you didn’t get the joke… i was warning marcus, there, that you
were a mighty opponent, that he had his work cut out for him…
surprised that went over your tripple digit iq head…
Bullsh!t katy. You do this everytime – talk in obscure sentences so you can later claim that you meant something else and play the victim. We don’t get along. Again – just stop speaking to me.
there… you can have the last word again…
…
Comment by katy — July 15, 2007 @ 3:52 pm
You keep saying that… I’ll be glad when you actually mean it.
July 15th, 2007 at 3:59 pmExcept that one of them is not a boy, he is a man (Webb), and the other a pouty, affected, panty waste – like most neocon sissy boys.
Suport the Troops! Stand up to the Neocon Menace in our midst! Osama Bin Laden is a Neocon.
July 15th, 2007 at 4:00 pmbegan feeding upon themselves
Comment by willyloman — July 15, 2007 @ 3:56 pm
not at all willy… not from me, at least…
July 15th, 2007 at 4:01 pmi can hold my head high for NEVER having voted
for GWBUSHco…
Comment by Mr. President KONSERVO
Don’t ever come back in here with that “support the troops” crap after what you did!
That was worse than Graham. That guy came back in here after you skulked off. And if TP hadn’t removed it, he would have seen your damn post again in his buddies name.
Get the f____ out you piece of s—-!
July 15th, 2007 at 4:02 pmAWOL coward and TRAITOR to the USA George W. Bush:
Fukc the troops! SUCK the Saudi Islamo-Terrorist cokc!
July 15th, 2007 at 4:03 pmAccording to the AP shrub’s ’surge’ has been going on now for ONE MONTH not the two weeks Graham was claiming. Oh and here is a summation of what has happened during that time:
“A car bomb packed with explosives detonated Sunday in a central Baghdad square, killing 10 people and wounding 25, the deadliest attack on a violent day that claimed the lives of at least 18 others.
Still, a U.S. military spokesman on Sunday that the month-old American offensives in and around the capital were starting to have an effect, reducing violence and civilian deaths. He did not cite figures.
“He did not cite figures”? By simply noting that figures might be appropriate in making this claim, that’s already more reporting than we get half the time. It gets better, though:
Recent weeks appear to have brought a decrease in dramatic car bomb attacks, though the bombings still occur nearly daily. But according to figures gathered by The Associated Press, the daily rate of bodies found dumped in Baghdad — victims of sectarian slayings — has risen slightly so far this month from June.
In the first 14 days of July, 301 bodies were found in Baghdad, or an average of nearly 22 a day, compared to 19 a day in June, when 563 bodies were found, according to AP figures, gathered from daily reports by Iraqi police.”
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/7/15/144518/187
July 15th, 2007 at 4:05 pmin a blind fury of bordom surpressing glee.
Comment by willyloman — July 15, 2007 @ 3:56 pm
Not at all. As I explained above, katy and I have a past that’s over a year and a half. When she leaves me alone – there’s no problem. You’ll never see me address her first.
July 15th, 2007 at 4:05 pmAside from Lindsay’s never seeming to have any merit in in views, I always enjoy listening to his emasculated Southern way of calling someone out.
Seriously, Kay Hutch could B-slap this wimp.
His bravery shown recently in Thurdsay’s “post report” speech mirror’s the bravery and consideration he showed (endangering the troops again) when he visited the marketplace surrounded by body guards and apache helicopters to offer the natives a couple of bucks for their wares.
This mama boy’s ancestors HAVE to be slave owners. He know s how to treat people with contempt, not consideration.
God help more honest Republicans like Warner, Hagel, and Lugar to beat some sense into this water-carrying sissy.
July 15th, 2007 at 4:05 pmBiting back is one thing – swallowing what you’ve bitten off is another.
July 15th, 2007 at 4:06 pmPiP, I have to say that you’ve driven me to the point where I never want to see you or your aliases again. Go somewhere else where they might appreciate your idea of wit. Go away and grow up.
July 15th, 2007 at 4:07 pmkaty,
Sam Seder time!
July 15th, 2007 at 4:08 pmi can hold my head high for NEVER having voted
for GWBUSHco…
Comment by katy — July 15, 2007 @ 4:01 pm
I knew you weren’t capable… LOL
July 15th, 2007 at 4:08 pmComment by unbelievable
I’m just playing. a little brevity. Now I’m pissed that Mr. P showed back up and said “support the troops”. what a piece of crap. Makes me hope that I am wrong about religion and there is a hell; because that got him a first class ticket if there is.
July 15th, 2007 at 4:08 pmPiP, I have to say that you’ve driven me to the point where I never want to see you or your aliases again. Go somewhere else where they might appreciate your idea of wit. Go away and grow up.
Comment by Jane E. Schneider
second.
July 15th, 2007 at 4:09 pmwillyloman is mediating an internecine dispute.
How’s that workin’?
I say you should cut the baby in half.
July 15th, 2007 at 4:10 pmGraham’s body language was so funny. He was as comfortable as being held captive by Al-Qaeda. And he uses that straw-man argument: “Have you been to Iraq?â€, as if that will completely take down Webb and any expertise or experience he can offer the situation. That’s a tactic used by someone who can’t win the argument, they justify their own lack of answers by throwing that sort of crap in there. Webb is above that from the get go. Lindsey visibly bristles and would love to call Webb something personal but he’s visibly afraid of him. Webb is the perfect Democratic antidote for the oft-used Republican attack smear of those ‘anti-troops, anti-war, limp-wristed, weak Democrats’. Just looking at the two, it’s clear who the limp-wristed one is, and it isn’t the ‘real man’: Jim Webb. Mr. Graham should be eternally ashamed of himself for making this about politics when he knows full well that Dems care about the troops too. It’s the Republicans who spin this their way and the sycophantic MSM lets them get away with it too. This is Bush’s war and always will be associated with him, no matter who replaces him. And no one should ever forget the party that chose him as their candidate: THE REPUBLICAN PARTY. They should be held responsible for many years to follow for all of Bush’s decisions, because of that choice. they deserve to lose elections and whatever else because of it too.
July 15th, 2007 at 4:11 pmSam Seder time!
Comment by Egreggious — July 15, 2007 @ 4:08 pm
ack! thank you!!!
i had the XM on, but they must run on different times now…
thanks! streaming live now…
July 15th, 2007 at 4:13 pmDon’t ever come back in here with that “support the troops†crap after what you did!
Comment by willyloman — July 15, 2007 @ 4:02 pm
I didn’t do any thing, you idiot. That was The Joker and now his posts are instantly removed.
Moron.
July 15th, 2007 at 4:13 pmI’m just playing. a little brevity. Now I’m pissed that Mr. P showed back up and said “support the troopsâ€. what a piece of crap. Makes me hope that I am wrong about religion and there is a hell; because that got him a first class ticket if there is.
Comment by willyloman
What KIND of remark was uttered by PIP/Pee? TREASONOUS, no doubt…
July 15th, 2007 at 4:14 pmwillyloman is mediating an internecine dispute.
How’s that workin’?
I say you should cut the baby in half.
Comment by Marcus Aurelius
Sir. you are talking to a man with the skill and tack of a rabid, blind bunny, high on crystal-meth.
As you can see, they both hate my guts. i have failed miserably. But it’s not the first time. That is my secret weapon.
failure.
thus, i will keep posting until they tire of my drivel, and laugh at me for being pathetic, and find in themselves again, a common bond.
It is my plan. Don’t tell them.
July 15th, 2007 at 4:14 pmI’m just playing. a little brevity.
It’s way too late for that in this case :D
It usually goes a while between episodes though… I’m getting better at recognizing and then skipping her comments.
Now I’m pissed that Mr. P showed back up and said “support the troopsâ€. what a piece of crap. Makes me hope that I am wrong about religion and there is a hell; because that got him a first class ticket if there is.
Comment by willyloman — July 15, 2007 @ 4:08 pm
What he did the other day was unforgivable. He must be one of those people who has no sense of shame.
We do have a few psychos who post here. I can’t tell if it’s one or a more, because the Santo-Rachel variety seems to have multiple personalities that really are diverse…
July 15th, 2007 at 4:15 pmWell, who needs trolls if we can just tear us appart each other, right?
July 15th, 2007 at 4:17 pmI didn’t do any thing, you idiot. That was The Joker and now his posts are instantly removed.
Moron.
Comment by Mr. President KONSERVO
YOU F—-ING LIAR!!! He wasn’t here yesterday!! You were!! Until you skulked off like a little f—-ing coward.
I SAW THOSE POSTS BEFORE THEY WERE WIPED!!!
And so did Zooey.
You have one chance to even begin redeeming yourself, punk.
And that is to post an apology to that Soldier!!!!
But you wouldn’t do that. you’re not man enough, so get out. You f—ing punk.
July 15th, 2007 at 4:18 pmComment by willyloman — July 15, 2007 @ 4:14 pm
Ha!
July 15th, 2007 at 4:18 pmWell, who needs trolls if we can just tear us appart each other, right?
Comment by Juan C — July 15, 2007 @ 4:17 pm
juan – now you disappoint me…
you know damn well that does not pertain to me…
don’t be a fool.
July 15th, 2007 at 4:20 pmYou have one chance to even begin redeeming yourself, punk.
And that is to post an apology to that Soldier!!!!
Comment by willyloman — July 15, 2007 @ 4:18 pm
Screw that. The only thing he could do to redeem himself in my eyes for impersonating, then mocking the name of a fallen US Soldier, is to sign up, go serve himself and get killed.
Then I “might” forgive him.
July 15th, 2007 at 4:20 pmIt is my plan. Don’t tell them.
Comment by willyloman — July 15, 2007 @ 4:14 pm
You’re sweet. Seriously. But it’s better just to stay out of the way like everyone else so it doesn’t become a group thing…
The Korean symbol for peace is a house with a woman in it. Their symbol for war is the same house with two women in it :D
July 15th, 2007 at 4:21 pmI SAW THOSE POSTS BEFORE THEY WERE WIPED!!!
Comment by willyloman — July 15, 2007 @ 4:18 pm
Did TP remove them?
Thats good if they did.
July 15th, 2007 at 4:22 pmIs it namejacking after someone changes their handle?
This is Egreggious, and he just wants to know if this name has been banned.
July 15th, 2007 at 4:22 pmYou owe that soldier and apology, Mr. P and you damn well know it.
July 15th, 2007 at 4:22 pmand whether you know it or not, its the best thing for you to do.
Now I don’t want to hear anymore of your crap.
no more games. His friend was real. and you made a mistake. if you can’t deal with that, you have no business here.
Their symbol for war is the same house with two women in it :D
Comment by unbelievable — July 15, 2007 @ 4:21 pm
I’m guessing the symbol for the Korean version of Armageddon would be three?
July 15th, 2007 at 4:23 pmComment by willyloman — July 15, 2007 @ 4:18 pm
Did you read Zooey’s comments?
She knows it wasn’t me, idiot!
So you can go fuk yourself, dweeb!
July 15th, 2007 at 4:23 pmI SAW THOSE POSTS BEFORE THEY WERE WIPED!!!
And so did Zooey.
Comment by willyloman — July 15, 2007 @ 4:18 pm
And so did I. Willy’s right – the only chance PiP has of redeeming himself is a sincere apology, and it has to be posted on the original thread.
July 15th, 2007 at 4:23 pmThats good if they did.
Comment by BARTLEBEE
in about thirty seconds. if you go read the thread, i keep asking people if they saw it and zooey says yeah. And mr. p goes silent and leaves.
July 15th, 2007 at 4:24 pmThe Korean symbol for peace is a house with a woman in it. Their symbol for war is the same house with two women in it :D
Comment by unbelievable — July 15, 2007 @ 4:21 pm
BAWAHAHAHAHAAAHHAHHAAAHHAHA
:P
Now THATS funny.
July 15th, 2007 at 4:24 pmComment by Mr. President — July 15, 2007 @ 4:22 pm
It’s not the name you idiot, it’s the IP!!!
July 15th, 2007 at 4:25 pmComment by Mr. President KONSERVO
you are a disgusting pathetic little boy, and that is all you will ever be.
July 15th, 2007 at 4:25 pmTheir symbol for war is the same house with two women in it :D
Comment by unbelievable
It depends on the kind of house they are in. :D
July 15th, 2007 at 4:26 pmComment by willyloman — July 15, 2007 @ 4:25 pm
You’re a senile impotent old man, and that’s all you’ll ever be.
July 15th, 2007 at 4:28 pmMarketing and 5-second soundbites being everything these days, why didn’t Webb title his amendment “The Support the Troops Amendment of 2007″ or something similar?
July 15th, 2007 at 4:29 pmI’m guessing the symbol for the Korean version of Armageddon would be three?
Comment by barfly — July 15, 2007 @ 4:23 pm
LOL
I think it mostly applies to Alpha females, actually… Which is going to be interesting to see how their neighbor China fares with all those first born only child women they’ve created…
And what happens to the men who can’t get a mate because there are 3 women for every 4 of them?
July 15th, 2007 at 4:30 pmComment by [Not] Egreggious — July 15, 2007 @ 4:25 pm
I just thought there might be more than one blocking mechanism, in case the IP was different. Just curious why there had been a slight change in the handle is all.
July 15th, 2007 at 4:30 pmAnd what if its a gay household? would the symbol for war be a house with two triangles in it? It’s very confusing.
July 15th, 2007 at 4:31 pmI just thought there might be more than one blocking mechanism, in case the IP was different. Just curious why there had been a slight change in the handle is all.
Comment by Egreggious — July 15, 2007 @ 4:30 pm
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No. The Joker tried to post as “Umar Lee” and the dead soldier yesterday, TP blocked both attempts.
July 15th, 2007 at 4:32 pmI think the symbol for war should be a basement with Mr. Pee wanking off.
July 15th, 2007 at 4:33 pm“And what happens to the men who can’t get a mate because there are 3 women for every 4 of them?”
Comment by unbelievable
“Calling Mr. Hand!”
July 15th, 2007 at 4:33 pmWell, this is funny.
Mr. President is trying to reach out for some support from regular bloggers after he has derailed every thread he has been in, posting garbage after garbage with his pen pals Flaco, The Joker and CT. He also celebrated the deaths of 150 Iraqis a couple of days ago, when a truck exploded.
And now he is expecting some kind of understanding…
It is impossible for me to assure he was the one who made the comment impresonating the name of the dead soldier, although I would say it was The Joker, however, anyone who celebrates any dead, particularly those of civilians deserves no pardon whatsoever.
July 15th, 2007 at 4:33 pmMarketing and 5-second soundbites being everything these days, why didn’t Webb title his amendment “The Support the Troops Amendment of 2007″ or something similar?
Comment by Eric — July 15, 2007 @ 4:29 pm
That’s brilliant… You should email him that idea.
July 15th, 2007 at 4:34 pmthink the symbol for war should be a basement with Mr. Pee wanking off.
Comment by Egreggious
My nomination for post of the day. Any seconds?
July 15th, 2007 at 4:34 pmtime out… no, i can’t let this slide:
You’ll never see me address her first.
Comment by unbelievable — July 15, 2007 @ 4:05 pm
you know, and everybody here knows, that i did not
address you at all…
stick your own nose wherever you want, but don’t put any blame
on anyone but yourself when it comes to this…
now, that is my last word TO you, here…
July 15th, 2007 at 4:36 pmThe original post using the soldiers name was two days ago.
they all said that Joker was gone. fine.
Yesterday Mr. P and CV_T1 or whatever and I were debating it and it happened again….
are we too assume the Joker got back in just at that moment?
like I said, you did it.
others saw it before TP cleaned it up.
you should be glad that soldier didn’t come in here and see that posted.
if you have any courage, you will do the right thing.
My father is career Navy, I will NEVER let it go.
NEVER.
and don’t you ever claim to “support the troops” after that again.
July 15th, 2007 at 4:36 pmat all, ORIGINALLY…
July 15th, 2007 at 4:36 pmNo. The Joker tried to post as “Umar Lee†and the dead soldier yesterday, TP blocked both attempts.
Comment by Mr. President KONSERVO
So you saw it too? That makes four of us.
Now, the big question; if Joker can’t post..HOW DO YOU KNOW HE WAS IN HERE
July 15th, 2007 at 4:39 pmThe troll calling himself Mr. President is not worth anyones time, other than to mock and scorn him.
He is the maggot who impersonated the fallen soldier, and he is the one who used the racial slurs repeatedly.
He’s scum.
July 15th, 2007 at 4:40 pm“I think the symbol for war should be a basement with Mr. Pee wanking off.”
Holding a copy of “Sgt. Rock and the Fighting Leathernecks…”
July 15th, 2007 at 4:40 pmI watched Bill Moyers Journal on Impeachemnt a couple days ago. Yikes! We have to impeach this administration before it’s too late. IMPEACH NOW!
July 15th, 2007 at 4:41 pmYou can’t lie your way out of this, child.
Time to be an adult and post an apology to that soldier. or live the rest of your life thinking you can just lie your way out of any situation.
your choice.
your life.
July 15th, 2007 at 4:42 pmComment by zenster666 — July 15, 2007 @ 4:41 pm
That was a great show. Anyone on the fence on the impeachment issue should watch it.
Let me know if you need a link to it. I’ll see if I can dig it up.
July 15th, 2007 at 4:43 pm“I think the symbol for war should be a basement with Mr. Pee wanking off.â€
Holding a copy of “Sgt. Rock and the Fighting Leathernecks…â€
Comment by barfly
and wearing his mothers used Depends on his head.
July 15th, 2007 at 4:43 pmLet me know if you need a link to it. I’ll see if I can dig it up.
Comment by Egreggious — July 15, 2007 @ 4:43 pm
I’d like to see it.
July 15th, 2007 at 4:45 pmComment by willyloman — July 15, 2007 @ 4:39 pm
I know his alias “Umar Lee”
You senile old fart!
July 15th, 2007 at 4:46 pmNo one who has ever had a friend could have done what The Joker did.
That is why I can easily believe Pee was responsible for the second occurrence.
July 15th, 2007 at 4:46 pmI didn’t do any thing, you idiot. That was The Joker and now his posts are instantly removed.
Moron.
Comment by Mr. President KONSERVO
LIAR. I guess you’re Joker, otherwise how would you know his posts are removed. It took you one post to get kicked off C&L. And you have to keep changing your name and who knows what else to get on here.
You were definitely one of the trolls either posting as the soldier or or trying to be a black rapper. Nobody believes a word you say, lying sack of shit. And we’re not dumb like your Fox News pals who will believe spin because somebody keeps saying it. Get lost.
July 15th, 2007 at 4:48 pmI think this will get you there.
http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07132007/profile.html
July 15th, 2007 at 4:50 pmUmar lee hadn’t posted on that thread. liar.
to quote shane “get lost”
July 15th, 2007 at 4:50 pmIt is my plan. Don’t tell them.
Comment by willyloman
Nothing women like better than a self-effacing man. You are quite the player Mister Willy. As one of the old women around here I’ll keep my eye on you.
July 15th, 2007 at 4:51 pmI’m out TPers.
Too those of you who have decided to return; good to have you back.
Remember my secret weapon! don’t make me fail on you.I’ll do it!
July 15th, 2007 at 4:51 pmHave a great one, Salesman!
July 15th, 2007 at 4:54 pmNo. The Joker tried to post as “Umar Lee†and the dead soldier yesterday, TP blocked both attempts.
Comment by Mr. President KONSERVO
And how would you know that, idiot.
July 15th, 2007 at 4:57 pmthink the symbol for war should be a basement with Mr. Pee wanking off.
Comment by Egreggious
More of a skirmish than a war.
July 15th, 2007 at 5:00 pmCHENEY 2008!!!
don’t say I never did somethin’ for ya
July 15th, 2007 at 5:01 pmIt’s amazing how many people miss THE BIG LIE, told by liars like Graham, “ Nobody Wants To Occupy ” , they aren’t building 14 bases and a billion dollar EMBASSY to pullout tomorrow, and the argument is always WRONG, because obviously some troop will come out, that’s not the issue.
July 15th, 2007 at 5:02 pmThe goddamn issue is whether or not American politicians will continue to support the occupation, and who will condemn the occupation . THAT’s the issue, not a draw down, not redeployment, not not any cute phrase they can come up with to pacify people.
Until the debate is a real truthful debate ,admitting the bush administration is planning a permanent occupation, this is all BS.
Comment by Mr. President KONSERVO
So you saw it too? That makes four of us.
Now, the big question; if Joker can’t post..HOW DO YOU KNOW HE WAS IN HERE
Comment by willyloman
He’s either scapegoating Joker or he is Joker. He’s vile either way.
July 15th, 2007 at 5:03 pmyou know, and everybody here knows, that i did not
address you at all…
Were you not speaking about me? That was addressing me. Not directly, but indirectly as cowards prefer to do.
stick your own nose wherever you want, but don’t put any blame
on anyone but yourself when it comes to this…
You just cannot accept your own accountability here can you? You chose, knowing full well what would happen, to throw in your two cents where no one asked you or was talking to you to make a personal insult. And when you didn’t like the response it created, which is always the same because you’re disrespecting me, you blame me for starting it? You’re delusional.
now, that is my last word TO you, here…
Comment by katy — July 15, 2007 @ 4:36 pm
You’ve already said that…. A lot.
This is your doing. Act like a freaking grown up and just stop speaking about me or to me and there will be not issue. Try it. And try hard this time. Jesus Christ… Freaking sociopath.
July 15th, 2007 at 5:05 pmGraham’s zombie-attack mode today was similar to Ann Coulter’s responce to Elizabeth Edwards’ challange a few weeks ago. It’s part of the style book to go “locked n loaded” for mania when in these situations & confronted w irrefutable facts.
Yea, Graham’s a “mo”. Genteel S.C. society has known it for years. It’s an open Washington secret but Graham carries the White House water. What’s more, should there be a gay hunt in the Senate, Graham won’t be the only one outed. It crosses party lines.
July 15th, 2007 at 5:09 pmMr. Pees in Pants should be ignored. It’s what he hates the most.
I tried it. At first he will protest by screaming even louder, and hurling more and more insults. But, eventually he wears himself out and goes away. He doesn’t even address me anymore. At least he has the ability…
So, if we all just ignored him, he’d pitch a big fit for a while, but eventually, he’d limit his nonsense to fewer posts and only engage new people until we could inform them that he’s on the universal ignore list.
Just a suggestion.
July 15th, 2007 at 5:11 pmOne other thought… constantly confronting MA/VV about the crude dead child joke she made eventually seems to have chased her away. Perhaps the only comment to Mr. Pees in Pants should be about his crude dead soldier joke?
July 15th, 2007 at 5:13 pmGraham should be a man and come out of the closet!!!
July 15th, 2007 at 5:17 pmOne other thought… constantly confronting MA/VV about the crude dead child joke she made eventually seems to have chased her away. Perhaps the only comment to Mr. Pees in Pants should be about his crude dead soldier joke?
Comment by unbelievable — July 15, 2007 @ 5:13 pm
I’ll never let him forget it.
July 15th, 2007 at 5:23 pmI tried it. At first he will protest by screaming even louder, and hurling more and more insults. But, eventually he wears himself out and goes away. He doesn’t even address me anymore. At least he has the ability…
Comment by unbelievable — July 15, 2007 @ 5:11 pm
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Actually, I stopped addressing you because you utterly moronic.
I will pray for your students. †
Now, I usually don’t address fools like you, shane, willy, TRoS, or any of the other CHIMPEACH/write your congressman/surrender monkeys. If all you can do is harass people with false accusations, go right ahead.
“Progressive” indeed.
Whining is one of the strong points of the Left, and I don’t mind at all, giving you the chance to practice your schreeeeeeeching!
Obviously, there is no way to prove to anyone that I am innocent, except for the TP administration. But I will not leave, EVER!
Okay, I will someday, but at least not while I am still here at school.
I have a clear conscience and have nothing to be ashamed about!!!
WE NOW RETURN YOU TO THE LEFTIST ECHO-CHAMBER…
July 15th, 2007 at 5:30 pmI’ll never let him forget it.
Comment by BARTLEBEE — July 15, 2007 @ 5:23 pm
He’s been hanging around a lot less recently. Hope it’s not just a coincidence.
July 15th, 2007 at 5:31 pmSpoke too soon!
The slanderer of a fallen soldier remains.
(In this case, my standards for proof will be no higher than his.)
July 15th, 2007 at 5:37 pmNot so good: Obama strikes Clinton as convoluted: cheap cat going with the flow; no lonely wolf. well we had several million on this planet protestin this war. politicians express the will of the people. they represent. that is their task and duty. that is their impunity. the rest is obfustication and confusion.
http://ccoaler.blogspot.com/2007/07/obama.html
July 15th, 2007 at 5:47 pmI’ll never let him forget it.
Comment by BARTLEBEE — July 15, 2007 @ 5:23 pm
None of us who witnessed it will.
July 15th, 2007 at 6:17 pmIn a debate, there is no way to prepare for an opponent who will lie – other thant to rebut every assertion with the statement, “that is a lieâ€. Not very good for getting your message out. This is why Russert is such a failure as a moderator – the moderator’s job is to fact-check and correct improper. erroneous, or disingenuous statements by one side or the other.
Comment by Marcus Aurelius — July 15, 2007 @ 1:07 pm
I agree. Russert should have corrected that outright lie.
His job is to do that. Hopefully he will in a post interview followup.
Comment by BARTLEBEE — July 15, 2007 @ 1:09 pm
Russert is also a failure as a moderator, because he didn’t tell Graham to shut up and let Webb speak. I didn’t see the first part of the program, but at least towards the end Graham, after being allowed to talk uninterrupted, kept on trying to talk over Webb, who had to say to him, “Let me speak.” Despite that, Graham kept on interrupting. It was Russert’s job as moderator to tell Graham to let Webb speak, and he (Tim) grossly failed at that.
July 15th, 2007 at 6:18 pmI hope you don’t mind if I re-post this, which I wrote on another now-dead thread late last night, when I couldn’t sleep for thinking about it:
At the risk of being a little hypocritical, might I add one more comment regarding the disgusting spectacle that ensued after Tired of Fighting’s earlier post?
And this is directed to those trolls (and non-trolls) of military age who are so avid for this so-called war, for the death of all Muslims (good luck with that), for blood in exchange for oil, and who believe somehow they are waging this war at their sweat-soaked keyboards.
Sergeant Sherman might be alive today if you had been there at his side to defend him and fight alongside him. And if not Sherman, then perhaps another soldier, whose name–to our shame–none of us remembers.
The supporters of this war who are capable of fighting in it but are not doing so, are doubly cowardly and traitorous: first, by supporting this ridiculous war which brings nothing to our shores but disgrace and the caskets of fallen heroes; and second, by refusing to serve your country in a cause you believe so vital to its very existence.
If Daryll is right about this Hell where sinners burn eternally, then you shall surely be in it.
I think of my cousin, who took his life not so long ago.
RIP
SGT Stephen R. Sherman
C CO 1-5 IN (STRYKER)
KIA 3 Feb 2005
Mosul, Iraq
Or as the POTUS calls him,, comma #1462
July 15th, 2007 at 6:23 pmGeez. He’s got a lot to learn. You don’t ASK for a permission to speak. It’s a sign of weakness. You should be assertive, talk over your opponent and deny him the chance to reply.
Comment by Drinkin’ and stinkin’ — July 15, 2007 @ 12:06 pm
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Yeah, I know right!?!!
Did you hear Webb trying to interrupt Graham, but how Graham wasn’t the least bit fazed?!?!
Webb you could learn a lesson or two (or more!) from Graham!!
July 15th, 2007 at 6:23 pmInteresting that Lindsey Graham never saw combat but seems to have all the answers for our troops in Iraq. Webb understands because he has been in combat and has a son in the middle of this mess. Bush was a coward and scared to be a real man and soldiers yet has no problem letting thousands of young men/women die based on lies. Cheney with his famous 5 deferments and hiding behind his wife because he to was a coward and scared to stand up for the country in it’s time of need. Now those who are stealing the US Treasury by using Iraq are all those who set back in the time of need by the Military yet he wouldn’t protect the United States of America.
July 15th, 2007 at 6:23 pmI do have to hand it to Webb though, he didn’t appeal to emotions by bringing up his own son in Iraq.
Once the sympathy card is played, if no other logic is used, a person’s argument will go down the drain.
July 15th, 2007 at 6:27 pmTo some, it seems that the daily sacrifices and hardships of our soldiers are not a legitimate subject of debate.
To some, it is fun to slander a dead soldier.
July 15th, 2007 at 6:40 pmSen Graham, cracker, here is your ass, compliments of Sen Webb.
July 15th, 2007 at 6:40 pmNow STFU and get thee behind impeachment.
To some, it seems that the daily sacrifices and hardships of our soldiers are not a legitimate subject of debate.
To some, it is fun to slander a dead soldier.
Comment by Egreggious
well said.
July 15th, 2007 at 6:52 pmHey, Salesman. Welcome back.
July 15th, 2007 at 6:58 pmSen. Webb is a statesmen and a gentleman. Graham is a NeoCon. ‘Nuff said!
July 15th, 2007 at 6:59 pmWhen someone like Lindsey Graham, says we need to look at the consequences of leaving, why doesn’t someone say “we need to look at the consequences of staying?”
July 15th, 2007 at 7:01 pmegreggeous – listened sam’s show on the XM after all…
i was able to listen to the first hour twice!
good thing, as i was distracted earlier…
and, about that… i just have to say that i truly was caught off guard when un attacked me the way she did… i posted a comment ABOUT her
that i considered safe enough and obviously giving credit to her commenting and debating prowess… a fair warning to marcus, who was intent on calling her into a fray…
so, i’d just like to know, if there is ANYONE who got from that comment i made, that i was insulting or disrespecting un, then please let me know so that i can apologize…
but all the regulars here have read several comments i’ve made that were undoubtedly flattering to un, yet have never gotten any reaction…
i surely prefer that response to being attacked and slandered…
old habits do die hard…
July 15th, 2007 at 7:10 pm…
Agreed. I’m simply making the point that Graham doesn’t deserve the same moniker is Five Deferments Cheney and the rest of this crowd. I don’t disparage his service as I don’t disparage that of David Iglesias. I’m a pro-impeachment Democrat.
July 15th, 2007 at 7:11 pmComment by katy — July 15, 2007 @ 7:10 pm
katy,
I believe I understood your comment in the way you say you intended it, but I could see where someone might misinterpret it.
As a general rule (this afternoon excepted), I enjoy both of your postings, and look forward to your wisdom(s). I really didn’t want to get involved.
Glad that Seder gave you a break. I think you both needed a time out.
On the lighter side, “Katherine Harris” had me laughing out loud today!
July 15th, 2007 at 7:20 pmOn the lighter side, “Katherine Harris†had me laughing out loud today!
Comment by Egreggious — July 15, 2007 @ 7:20 pm
aargh! stupid XM! … i space out the last hour and just now realized that xm cut it out… it’s welton gaddy now… (and i enjoy that show also)…
but i missed katherine… shoot…
yea… i hate when people get “involved”…
July 15th, 2007 at 7:35 pmbut thanks…
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Webb v. every republican senator that never served who has their head straight up Bush’s ass in a steel cage . . . anything goes.
Webb would be the only man standing at the end of it.
July 15th, 2007 at 7:44 pmWebb was superb. He’s smart, factual, and tough. I’m so thankful he’s there. Just think what the former Virginia senator would be doing if he were in Congress.
July 15th, 2007 at 8:12 pmOn the lighter side, “Katherine Harris†had me laughing out loud today!
Comment by Egreggious — July 15, 2007 @ 7:20 pm
Hey, I just listened to that on the way back form Ecola State Park! It was absolutely hilarious! Is that a regular feature? This radio station is such a treat while I’m over here. First time I ever heard eder’s show. :)
BTW, I hope Webb kick Graham’s pansy ass on the way out of the studio. :D
July 15th, 2007 at 8:12 pmComment by Zooey — July 15, 2007 @ 8:12 pm
Sam has Katherine on his show fairly often. In truth, it’s his former co-host (now I have to spell it) Janeane Garofolo.
Welcome back!
July 15th, 2007 at 8:16 pmHi Egreggious,
Oh my god, she was so great! “I’m just here to tell you I’m not talking to you on your show.” 2 segments! Heh.
Yeah, I’m back on TP — with strict conditions for myself. I realized it really made sense when several of you said we shouldn’t leave this to the trolls. I won’t be wasting time on the idiot trolls, unless it’s important like the other day.
Thanks for the welcome back. I love your city!
July 15th, 2007 at 8:26 pmThanks for the welcome back. I love your city!
Comment by Zooey — July 15, 2007 @ 8:26 pm
Why, thank you! I designed it myself, you know.
July 15th, 2007 at 8:50 pm“I don’t see it as an execution, sir,†he told the judge, according to the newspaper. “I see it as killing the enemy.â€
He said Marines consider all Iraqi men part of the insurgency.
“Because of the way they live, the clans, they’re all in it together,†he said.â€
So, we are liberating WHO???
The Iraqi women and Children. Nope, also part of the “insurgency”.
Well, then, it MUST be that we have killed 4000 US troops and 700,000 Iraqis for
OIL.
July 15th, 2007 at 8:54 pmWhy, thank you! I designed it myself, you know.
Comment by Egreggious
I suspected as much. :)
July 15th, 2007 at 9:08 pmAnyone want to know who beat Webb for the Brigade Boxing Championship while at the U.S. Naval Military Academy his senior year in 1968?….Oliver North.
July 15th, 2007 at 10:16 pmAnd it is well known that Ollie cheated in that fight. He is a traitor to country and mind. He needs to die also.
July 15th, 2007 at 10:33 pmSenator Graham, (SC) was in the military. The AG’s division I think. But you are all absolutely correct in stating that he was senseless in his discussion of taking care of the troups. The small amount of time between rotations is grinding down our military. There is no way we can expect high level performance year anfer year when we do not allow sufficient down time for recovery with these folks.
I know that Graham knows how dangerous it is to stress out human beings in this way. Remember this fighting is taking place in an area where the temperature is 120 – 130 degrees. Imagine that with all that eauipment our military MUST wear, ineffective though some of it is due to Republican negligence in supplying adequate protective gear for our military.
So let’s just review the Republican concern level for our military by the following: 1. frequent deployments (someone is suing to avoid his 5th deployment at this time. 2. unprotected humvees early in the war and even slowly provided after that iwhile the Republicans controlled House and Senate. 3. This Republican administration has allowed millions of Iraq rebuilding money to be ripped off in no bid contracts, leaving the Iraqis to feel like we do not give a darn aobut them. 4. the mess in the suspected Iraqi combatant Prison systems. Don’t you know that mess increased the hate of Iraqis for our military and we expect the line soldiers to just grin and bear this crap and with short recovery time at home. 5. The Family Values Republican Party vcares less about military families. Remember Abu Graiab and Gitmo. YOu know those detainees families are just waiting to attack our military in retribution. All this, due to Republican bungling. I guess this is enough for folks to get the point but I could go on and on. So I say to you, Senator Graham, stop your whine about a decent attempt bu Senator Webb to fix up one of your party’s messes.
July 15th, 2007 at 10:58 pmFor Lindsey Graham: Here’s the VoteVets ad from January 2007 in opposition to Bush’s escalation of the War. Remember when we were told the “surge” would be temporary, and if we had no results in six months, that was it. The “surge” was the last change for Bush’s policy. Guess what Bush, it’s been six months.
The Vets on this video don’t think that’s funny.
July 15th, 2007 at 11:10 pmhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8ybvWplJh4
Anyone want to know who beat Webb for the Brigade Boxing Championship while at the U.S. Naval Military Academy his senior year in 1968?….Oliver North.
Oliver North the TREASONOUS Iran/Contra FELON??
Great.
I knew it sure as hell wasn’t Lindsey Graham…
And remember, Webb WAS a Republican and Assistant Defense Secretary to Ronnie. So much for Graham’s bullzhit.
July 15th, 2007 at 11:19 pmGraham, obviously “programmed” by the administration, just spewed W.H. talking points. He and Hadley were the designated hitters on the talks shows today. What a farce. Webb elegantly shot him out of the water with facts. Slimy Graham, what a shameless jerk!
July 15th, 2007 at 11:29 pmGraham’s such an idiot. He puts everything in such black and white terms: Either we are committed to the surge or we’re withdrawing altogether. It’s a false and deceptive dichotomy. None of those supporting redeployment of our troops are proposing that we completely withdraw, but that we begin a phased or gradual redeployment while still remaining in the theater. In addition, Graham fails to acknowledge what “victory” in Iraq means for the US. Our mission is not to destroy al Qaeda, but to provide the stability needed so the Iraqi government can become a viable governing entity and that the Iraqi military can meet Iraq’s security needs. Progress toward these benchmarks is abysmal, and hope for their achievement in the foreseeable future is becoming more and more obviously futile.
July 15th, 2007 at 11:50 pmAnyone want to know who beat Webb for the Brigade Boxing Championship while at the U.S. Naval Military Academy his senior year in 1968?….Oliver North.
Comment by Tracy — July 15, 2007 @ 10:16 pm
An interesting little aside, but it proves nothing here.
July 15th, 2007 at 11:52 pmGraham asks Webb, “have you been thereâ€. Has Graham been anywhere other than the heavily fortified Green Zone? Has Graham talked to any service person that was not hand-picked for him to interview? It totally amazes me that these Chickenhawk Republics who have never served a day in the military seem to think that they know how to run things military. Compare Webb’s background to Graham’s and tell me which one you would listen to when it comes to the military.
Comment by Katie — July 15, 2007
Graham is JAG — which means he did serve. However, he puts party not only before country, but also before the military. He’s supported the war crime of torture (which cannot be made legal, not even by “signing statement”), the denial of legitimate trials to those labeled “terrorist” without having been adjudicated such, and the denal to them of habeas corpus.
He should be disbarred.
Webb, on the other hand, is a veteran. And the amendment he sponsored — perfect, as it deals with those on the ground in terms of their reality — is a winner either way: either it passes, and the troops get a break; or it loses, and we get the names of those who opposed it as also those who do not support the troops.
July 16th, 2007 at 12:19 amIn response to Ann (#24), not all people enlisting or re-enlisting in the military have few other options. Sure, the military can give some opportunities to people who otherwise wouldn’t be able to do much with their lives, but there are many people who sacrifice a lot in order to serve their country. The millitary isn’t full of a bunch of idiots who have nothing better to do. Anyone who makes the sacrfices one must make in order to join the military just for the educational or financial benefits needs to re-think their decision to enlist in my opinion.
July 16th, 2007 at 1:11 amJim, this weasel’s name is Lindsey for Christ’s sakes. The little boot licking shit couldn’t hold a candle to you. Let’s get it started.
July 16th, 2007 at 1:17 amSenator Webb showed Graham up for being the hypocrite he is. For Graham to even presume he knows how our troops feel and to DARE to tell Webb their feelings is a joke: Webb is a highly decorated Marine officer, combat veteran, graduate of the Naval Academy, as well as a former Secretary of the Navy;Graham has NO ONE serving in Iraq, no real combat experience, while Webb’s own son is there as well. His son has seen his own comrades die, and has been in combat himself, nearly being killed the first month after he arrived there by a roadside bomb. Graham knew when he brought up the subject that Webb wouldn’t talk about it because he has steadfastly refused to discuss personal matters throughout his campaign and his career. He doesn’t mix politics with his private life, because it isn’t about HIM, it’s about HIS CONSTITUENCY and his JOB. By using such tactics, Graham was simply showing what a classless waste of space he truly is, and how little he deserves his current position. There is no level to which those people will not sink. Nevertheless, Webb had him almost apopleptic; I thought he was going to lose it (not just the debate, nor his composure, but his air as well). Jim Webb is everything Lindsey Graham is not: a real man, a statesman, and someone who is genuinely concerned about the wellbeing of our troops. Lindsey Graham should be ashamed of himself, but I sincerely doubt that he even knows what the word shame actually means. How else would he even dare challenge Webb with ANY of that garbage he was hurling on MTP? He has no honor, no pride, nor any sense of right or wrong, much less decorum. Southern GENTLEMAN? PLEASE!!!!! That word doesn’t apply to anyone using those tactics! This man is the worst kind of shameless opportunist, supporting the worst president the nation has ever had. I only wish Webb had more time to further mop up the floor with that loser.
July 16th, 2007 at 1:26 amComment by sharon — July 16, 2007 @ 1:26 am
Good post, sharon.
July 16th, 2007 at 1:46 amGraham reminded me a lot of the way that botoxed b-tch Melanie Morgan kept on interrupting the IAVA vet on the Jim Lehrer, and he seems to be as much of a queen as she. The big difference was that Jim Lehrer was a good enough moderator to tell Melanie to let the other person speak. I also gather she will not be invited on that program again. I seriously doubt that Graham will be dis-invited from “Meet the Press,” despite his equally rude hypocritical behavior.
“…so, i’d just like to know, if there is ANYONE who got from that comment i made, that i was insulting or disrespecting un, then please let me know so that i can apologize…”
Comment by katy — July 15, 2007 @ 7:10 pm
Katy, I did not believe that you were insulting unbelievable. I might have said much the same thing, whether Marcus was tangling with Unbelievable or with Zooey, or with trueblue, or with Sharon, or with you or any of our seasoned TP regulars.
July 16th, 2007 at 1:51 amkaty + unbelievable = true hate • lol
July 16th, 2007 at 3:28 amWebb’s son is in Iraq. Does Graham have any kids in the military? “Nuff said.
Comment by ann — July 15, 2007 @ 12:01 pm
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July 16th, 2007 at 6:04 amThat Freud was a goddamn genius.
Comment by Juan C — July 15, 2007 @ 12:18 pm
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Oh come on Juan, Freud???
His theories don’t meet my high empirical standards, he’s full of it!
July 16th, 2007 at 6:07 amAce, are you in journalism? I ask that because you always provide facts and documentation, no matter what. The information you provide should qualify you to teach reporting to reporters.
I salute you and your references.
Comment by Marie — July 15, 2007 @ 12:24 pm
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Actually, he cuts and pastes all of his garbage, word for word, from someone else’s kooky web site.
July 16th, 2007 at 6:11 amI liked it when Webb said “but you’ve never been to Iraq either” and Graham said “Ummmm, I’ve been there SEVEN times”….
Yep, that Webb must be really up on current events – huh?
Sounds like a football score – SEVEN TO ZERO!! 8-)
July 16th, 2007 at 8:59 am“May I speak?”
That’s a question you’ll never hear on Fox news. I’ve tried to listen a few times and the voices get louder and louder and…..I can’t watch that channel.
July 16th, 2007 at 10:13 amSoldiers re-enlist for one reason during war. They do not want to leave there buddies behind. It has nothing to do with politics and everything to do with honor. Soldiers do not serve a policy they serve a country. Sen Webb said that it is up to the government (we the people) to use them properly, and justly. No soldier that I have ever know and served with has ever re-enlisted because of policy, we just do not like the idea of leaving or friends behind. Sen Graham has no idea what he it talking about.
July 16th, 2007 at 10:22 am#333 JC
I liked it when Webb said “but you’ve never been to Iraq either†and Graham said “Ummmm, I’ve been there SEVEN timesâ€â€¦.
Yep, that Webb must be really up on current events – huh?
Sounds like a football score – SEVEN TO ZERO!! 8-)
JC, you missed Webb next line that told candygram that he went to the irai dog and pony show. Webb forgot to say; to buy dollor rugs. Since McCan’t fell on the sword for Bush’s iraq error, Candygraham and Lie Berman is running full steam ahead into their swords.
July 16th, 2007 at 10:24 amHearing that piece of shit Lindsey Graham just makes me want to punch him in the nose.
July 16th, 2007 at 10:48 amcandygraham attended a dog and pony show in iraq and purchased dollar rugs at the concession stand.
webb wins!
July 16th, 2007 at 10:50 amAce,
re: Your 65 & 69,
bush has clandestinely gone much much further into the deletion of the USA as we know it and, it is obvious from your entries.
I initially read this article about Sen Webb and graham due to a friend sending the link.
As an American veteran, I’m naturally intensely and emotionally interested in what the carpetbaggers such as bush, graham and their ilk are doing to our country.
I am angry and disgusted.
Sen Webb has so much more patience than I as, graham would have gone down for the count.
One of my major concerns and, one that intensifies my anger is the fact that, no matter how many high crimes and misdemeanors are exposed which have been perpetrated by the current administration, nothing, absolutely nothing ever happens.
While the MISadministration is stealing our contry, the dems are allowing them to get away with it.
I’m 68 and hope that I will NOT outlive the USA and, I want to live a long time.
BTW-I enjoy your highly informative posts.
The
July 16th, 2007 at 10:56 amKinda odd how Webb has a son in Iraq but has never been there himself
July 16th, 2007 at 12:27 pmKinda odd how Webb has a son in Iraq but has never been there himself
Comment by crimedog
Wow, you’re 8 different shades of stupid. Why would Webb have been in Iraq? He’s a Viet Nam Veteran.
Damn, that IS kinda odd. Bonehead*
July 16th, 2007 at 12:44 pmAnyone know who beat Webb in the USNA Brigade Boxing Championship in 1968? Oliver North.
July 16th, 2007 at 12:51 pmKinda odd how Cheney-Bush-Hadley-Limbaugh-O’Reilly-Hannity and the list is endless never served in the military and yet have the gaul to call others who served un-american and unpatriotic! Kinda odd indeed!
July 16th, 2007 at 12:53 pmOliver North…Traitor!
July 16th, 2007 at 12:53 pmIs Lindsey Graham having another hissy fit? First, it was with Mr. Obama on the Senate floor now its with Mr. Webb on MTP. When will he stop.
July 16th, 2007 at 2:15 pmAnyone know who beat Webb in the USNA Brigade Boxing Championship in 1968? Oliver North.
Comment by Tracy — July 16, 2007 @ 12:51 pm
Are you getting a little forgetful, Tracy Chickenhawk? You already posted the same thing yesterday, under
July 16th, 2007 at 5:53 pm“Comment by Tracy — July 15, 2007 @ 10:16 pm”
Oh my mistake Midori Moron, I thought that TP pulled another censoring job.
BTW what’s up with the name calling?…Have you been listening to Lora Lame Excuse?
July 16th, 2007 at 6:55 pmWhen you’re a soldier, you obviously see things from a soldier’s perspective. Web has a son who’s serving in Iraq; he probably has a much better handle on how our troops feel who serve there than the great majority of Americans do. As a journalist, you eat with the troops, sleep with them and get a real perspective on what they have to deal with on a daily basis, something a congressional dog and pony show would never show any congressman. For Lindsey Graham to even have the balls to state that he has a CLUE what our troops are going through in reference to ANY LEVEL of what Webb’s experience is, has been, and continues to be is simply beyond ABSURD. The man is not dealing in any realm of reality. Why would Web even want to waste the tax payer’s money on a congressional dog and pony show there when he knows from personal experience with them through a soldier’s eyes in past wars that they give no real perspective on what is really going on over there? Graham is not only a fool, but a shameless sycophantic twit as well. As I stated before, he has absolutely no shame, and has no concept of what the word even means. He proved that on MTP.
July 16th, 2007 at 7:12 pmOh my mistake Midori Moron, I thought that TP pulled another censoring job.
BTW what’s up with the name calling?…Have you been listening to Lora Lame Excuse?
Comment by Tracy — July 16, 2007 @ 6:55 pm
No, Tracy Chickenhawk,
July 16th, 2007 at 7:31 pmLike many people here including veteran Wayne, I’ve read your hawkish posts occasionally and have wondered why you weren’t serving. Then when you were finally asked, your response was that you didn’t want to be away from your wife and kids. That sounds pretty chickenhawkish to me, as well as to others apparently. I’m sure the soldiers who are getting repeatedly deployed also would like to spend more time with their families, too, Chickenhawk Moron.
#345
Comment by sharon — July 16, 2007 @ 7:12 pm
Web shouldn’t go too far with his “knowing what is going on over there” considering he hasn’t been there himself. All wars are different. Now if he can provide some insight from his son’s experience that would be valid. I have friends in Iraq right now and my brother who is in the USAF just got back and they all say that progress is being made on the security front and that if we were to pull out before at least a political solution is reached then the blood shed going on right now will pale in comparison. We need a political solution I totally agree. What do we need to do and how do we get this problem solved? Please don’t say we need to get rid of Bush first because you know that isn’t going to happen untill 2008. I have heard general goal but I haven’t really heard any specifics from ANYBODY.
July 16th, 2007 at 7:33 pm#355
Comment by Midori — July 16, 2007 @ 7:31 pm
“Like many people here including veteran Wayne, I’ve read your hawkish posts occasionally and have wondered why you weren’t serving”
And I have asked why people like Lora and yourself aren’t serving currently eventhough Wayne stated that as a veteran himself, he tried to sign back up after 9/11 eventhough he didn’t agree with Bush’s policies. Is it just cowardly on your part? BTW Lora attempted to explain why those who supported the WW2 effort but didn’t serve in the military weren’t chickenhawks themselves, but her excuse was that they “were too old, too young, or physically or mentally unfit. and that was total crap and untrue.
July 16th, 2007 at 7:44 pmComment by Tracy — July 16, 2007 @ 7:44 pm
Don’t try to spin the fact that you post hawkish statements while not willing to serve by asking me and others why we weren’t not serving. It’s not of your f==king business, Chickenhawk, and it won’t change the fact that you won’t put your body where your big mouth and pen are. Your citing Wayne’s willingness to serve again only proves all the more that you are a big wimpish chickenhawk. So just STFU.
July 16th, 2007 at 7:51 pmObviously Tracy either didn’t read my previous post, knows nothing about Jim Webb, or both. The Senator won’t discuss personal or private matters as a part of public discourse, which would include his son’s service in Iraq. He feels, simply, that those matters are personal and are not anyone else’s business. He works for the public, not himself, and unlike those on the other side of the aisle he really does keep the two separate. His son’s service is simply not a part of his public strategy on the war. This, in my book, makes him that much more remarkable. You won’t find him blathering on about his son’s life as a soldier; he comes from a long line of soldiers, which he accepts and understands, and for which he is very proud. He is close to his son, but none of it is for public consumption. That kind of hand wringing belongs on the other side of the aisle; oh, but wait, they don’t have anyone like that over there, do they? Guess what that makes them?
July 16th, 2007 at 8:44 pmI had never seen Mr. Graham on TV so I didn’t know who it was while I was watching the video, but he impressed me as the smarmiest piece of shat kit I’ve ever encountered in my life. How can a person like him live with himself knowing that his whole life is a façade, a Potemkin village? I wonder if his mother ever taught him that it is rude to interrupt other people when they are speaking.
I hope that this episode serves to encourage (enrage?) Mr. Webb to the point that he moves heaven and earth to protect our people and most of all, to protect and defend our nation and what it stands for “against all enemies foreign and domestic.” That means you, Lindsey, and the rest of your people.
July 16th, 2007 at 9:00 pmBy the way, there has also been a diplomatic solution brought up by Webb and others involving going to the table with countries like Iran and Syria who have ethnic, cultural, and other longstanding ties to Iraq, because, let’s face it, their own stablity depends upon a stable Iraq. (Doesn’t it make perfect sense now why people like Lieberman who are so tied to Bush want to start a war with the very people we really need to talk to diplomatically about this?) It would involve us removing our troops out of Iraq but into the bases we have in neighboring countries; in other words, we’d be there at a moment’s notice. Since the bombs that killed al Zarqawi came from outside Iraq, and since we can do as much outside without having our own troops in the middle of a civil war, it makes sense to try it that way. It certainly couldn’t be any worse than the mess Bush has created; and Iraq’s neighbors have every reason to want stability there. Plus, we wouldn’t be caught in this terrible civil war that we helped create.
July 16th, 2007 at 9:04 pmSen. Graham puts himself forward as a military expert because of service in the military. I believe his only service was either in the reserve or on active duty in the Judge Advocate Generals Division JAG. I spent a few years on active duty in the Army and many of my best friends were in the JAG. To say they don’t have a clue about anything military or that they never heard a shot fired in anger is an overstatement. Someone should check his credentials, no doubt he was fulfilling an obligation that got him a deferment from real service.
July 16th, 2007 at 10:08 pmBTW Lora attempted to explain why those who supported the WW2 effort but didn’t serve in the military weren’t chickenhawks themselves, but her excuse was that they “were too old, too young, or physically or mentally unfit.â€â€¦and that was total crap and untrue.
Comment by Tracy — July 16, 2007 @ 7:44 pm
Tracy Chickenhawk-troll,
July 17th, 2007 at 1:54 amI gave you a simplistic answer to your question about WWI, because it had nothing to do with the fact that you have outed yourself as a chickehawk (”I didn’t want to be away from my wife and kids for an extended period of time”) after posting prowar messages on TP for a long time. Your rants that I didn’t join the military after high school or at 18 are particularly hypocritical and irrelevant since you never served, either. I stopped reading your replies on other threads, because I know it will be just the same old repetitive whining and attempts to deflect from your own lack of military service, hypocritical twit.
BTW, I am actually quite aware that there were physically fit chickenhawks like yourself during WWII, one of the most well-known ones being rightwing “hero” John Wayne, who sought deferments while other Hollywood stars such as Henry Fonda, Clark Gable, Tyrone Power, etc. served in the military.
Finally, if you really support the military as much as you claim, you would be better off spending some time writing to your Tex-ass Senators about their vote against the Webb Amendment, which was meant to give the soldiers a well-deserved rest before being redeployed. Or don’t you think the brother and friends you claim to have serving in Iraq deserve a reasonable break between deployments while you sit at home with you “wife and kids?” Don’t bother me any more on this issue, as it is too late to retract your own outing as a chickenhawk.
Should have written “WWII” in my first line above, though I think my meaning was probably clear.
July 17th, 2007 at 1:56 am#359
Comment by sharon — July 16, 2007 @ 8:44 pm
“The Senator won’t discuss personal or private matters as a part of public discourse, which would include his son’s service in Iraq.”
BS! His son’s service in Iraq is not a private matter. His son FYI works for you and I. Under your logic then any “bad” things that his son might have done since being in Iraq, i.e. torture some poor Iraqi for example and if he only mentioned to Webb himself, is not something that he should make public? Whatever! Abu Ghraib ring a bell?…and no I am not attempting to put Webb or his son in a bad light, so don’t think that I don’t appreciate the service that both or them have and are doing.
“You won’t find him blathering on about his son’s life as a soldier”
I don’t expect him to “blather”. I do expect him not to expect us to take his word for it that thing are hopless in Iraq as he seems to be claiming especially when I have personal information from other soldiers saying quite the opposite.
“He is close to his son, but none of it is for public consumption.”
What his son does in Iraq and how he conducts himself IS for public consumption. Again BOTH of them work for ALL of us. Webb has an obligation to let us know what is going on in Iraq, and if that involves presenting some non classified information and insight that his son might have he needs to produce it, not just expect us to take his word for it about the situation. Remember he is still a politician, just like the rest of them.
“That kind of hand wringing belongs on the other side of the aisle; oh, but wait, they don’t have anyone like that over there, do they?”
Who on the Republican side has “blabed” on and on about their son or daughter serving in Iraq?
FYI House of Representatives congressmen with son’s and/or daughter serving in the military:
http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/2005/03/congressmen_with_sons_in_iraq/
“Of course, six out of 535 Members is still a tiny percentage (1.1%). The article actually mentions only five, four Republicans (Wilson, Bond, Rep. Todd Akin of Missouri, and Rep. Duncan Hunter of California), and one Democrat (Sen. Tim Johnson of South Dakota).”
July 17th, 2007 at 2:51 pm#358
Comment by Midori — July 16, 2007 @ 7:51 pm
“Don’t try to spin the fact that you post hawkish statements while not willing to serve by asking me and others why we weren’t not serving.”
Spin? I already gave my reasons for not joining and have never claimed them to be legitimate. You guys on the other hand seem to think that just because you don’t agree with the president’s policy makes your excuse justified. It doesn’t.
“STFU”
LOL!…and yes you can see the back of my throat flea.
July 17th, 2007 at 2:58 pm#363
Comment by Lora — July 17, 2007 @ 1:54 am
“…old repetitive whining and attempts to deflect from your own lack of military service, hypocritical twit.”
I haven’t whined ONCE nor attempted to justify my reason. You have…multiple times…and have failed every time.
“Your rants that I didn’t join the military after high school or at 18 are particularly hypocritical and irrelevant since you never served, either.”
If you would have stopped trying to justify your reasons I would left it alone.
“BTW, I am actually quite aware that there were physically fit chickenhawks like yourself during WWII…”
You seem to have suggested otherwise and contradicted yourself here:
“Those who didn’t serve usually were too old, too young, or physically or mentally unfit. Thus, your question about “chickenhawks†doesn’t even apply.”
:…one of the most well-known ones being rightwing “hero†John Wayne, who sought deferments while other Hollywood stars such as Henry Fonda, Clark Gable, Tyrone Power, etc. served in the military.”
FYI Henry Fonda was good friends with John Wayne:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Fonda
“His daughter Jane rejected her father’s friendships with Republican actors such as John Wayne and Jimmy Stewart, and as a result, their relationship was extremely strained.”
Tyrone Power didn’t serve…right?
“Tyrone Power’s career was interrupted in 1943 by military service. He reported to the U.S. Marines for training in late 1942, but he was sent back, at the request of 20th Century-Fox, to complete one more film, 1943’s Crash Dive, a patriotic war movie.”
And lastly Clark Gable was a staunch Republican.
I just hope you were not trying to infer that those other actors you listed were somehow liberal, Democrats, or both.
“….you would be better off spending some time writing to your Tex-ass Senators about their vote against the Webb Amendment, which was meant to give the soldiers a well-deserved rest before being redeployed. Or don’t you think the brother and friends you claim to have serving in Iraq deserve a reasonable break between deployments…”
I would rather the military commanders in Iraq tell Congress what they need to get their job done rather that a politician, granted he is a vet, telling them what they need. If you can point to a commander in Iraq that supports this amendment, lets hear it.
“Don’t bother me any more on this issue, as it is too late to retract your own outing as a chickenhawk.”
I have never denied it, so you would be advised not to mention it again.
July 17th, 2007 at 5:40 pm“STFUâ€
LOL!…and yes you can see the back of my throat flea.
Comment by Tracy — July 17, 2007 @ 2:58 pm
Look, Tracy, if you were as clever as you think you are, you would have ignored the question about why you haven’t served despite all your hawkish support of this president. But it’s too late now. You already made the chickenhawk confession that you don’t want to join the military because you “don’t want to be away from your wife and kids.”
July 17th, 2007 at 6:21 pmLOL–I guess the back of your throat must really itch with that “flea” (an insect that lives off animal blood) there.
I have never denied it, so you would be advised not to mention it again.
Comment by Tracy — July 17, 2007 @ 5:40 pm
I grew up in Hollywood, so, yes, I am aware that Clark Gable was a Republican and that the last vote he ever cast by absentee ballot from the hospital, where he ultimately died, was for Nixon in 1960.
July 17th, 2007 at 6:41 pmBTW, the part of the estrangement between Jane and Henry Fonda stemmed from her mother’s suicide and, thus, existed long before her involvement in the anit-Vietnam War.
Is your final advice a threat, Tracy Chickenhawk? If so, you are violating TP’s Terms of Usage.
“Your rants that I didn’t join the military after high school or at 18 are particularly hypocritical and irrelevant since you never served, either.†(lora)
If you would have stopped trying to justify your reasons I would left it alone.
Comment by Tracy
You shouldn’t have asked me about it in the first place, since you didn’t serve after high school, either, hypocritical chickenhawk.
July 17th, 2007 at 7:34 pm#368
Comment by Midori — July 17, 2007 @ 6:21 pm
“Look, Tracy, if you were as clever as you think you are, you would have ignored the question about why you haven’t served despite all your hawkish support of this president.”
I just answered a question then someone popped in and tried to defend their reasons for not joining, eventhough they were lame.
“You already made the chickenhawk confession that you don’t want to join the military…”
Well at least I am not trying to defend my excuse…like others continue to do.
July 17th, 2007 at 8:12 pm#368
Comment by Midori — July 17, 2007 @ 6:21 pm
“LOL–I guess the back of your throat must really itch with that “flea†(an insect that lives off animal blood) there.”
You’re a flea? Who would have guessed?
July 17th, 2007 at 8:13 pm#369
Comment by Lora — July 17, 2007 @ 6:41 pm
“I grew up in Hollywood”
No way! Really?
“BTW, the part of the estrangement between Jane and Henry Fonda stemmed from her mother’s suicide and, thus, existed long before her involvement in the anit-Vietnam War.”
What does Jane Fonda that have to do with anything we are discussing here?
“Is your final advice a threat, Tracy Chickenhawk? If so, you are violating TP’s Terms of Usage.”
Take it how ever you wish. You, I, and many here are guilty of violating TP Terms of Usage on multiple occasions. What’s your point? Are you going to report me? Go ahead if you have the courage.
July 17th, 2007 at 8:20 pm#370
Comment by Lora — July 17, 2007 @ 7:34 pm
“You shouldn’t have asked me about it in the first place, since you didn’t serve after high school, either, hypocritical chickenhawk.”
Well you shouldn’t have called my reason(s) lame when your own were just as lame hypocrite. We are very much even on the hypocrite plane.
July 17th, 2007 at 8:24 pmWell you shouldn’t have called my reason(s) lame when your own were just as lame hypocrite. We are very much even on the hypocrite plane.
Comment by Tracy — July 17, 2007 @ 8:24 pm
No, Tracy-chickenhawk,
July 17th, 2007 at 9:09 pmYou are the HYPOCRITE who posts hawkish messages here for a war that you are too chicken to fight in. I have never supported the war nor made claims that going into the military is the most noble profession, nor boldly told you, as you have told me that your “work is more important than” mine. You are a hypocritical chickenhawk, plain and simple, and you will be held to it every time you post messages on how “noble” the Iraq War is.
a) Well at least I am not trying to defend my excuse…like others continue to do.
Comment by Tracy — July 17, 2007 @ 8:12 pm
#368
Comment by Midori — July 17, 2007 @ 6:21 pm
b) “LOL–I guess the back of your throat must really itch with that “flea†(an insect that lives off animal blood) there.â€
You’re a flea? Who would have guessed?
a) Yes, you are trying to defend yourself by protesting every time you’re called a “chickenhawk.” There couldn’t be a much more chickenhawkish excuse than yours: “I didn’t want to be away from my wife and kids.” If you’re not defending yourself, then STFU already.
b) Don’t try to make up for your spelling mistake by calling people names, idiot. I wouldn’t get near any part of your foul throat, though I suppose it might attract some real fleas.
Comment by Tracy — July 17, 2007 @ 8:13 pm
July 17th, 2007 at 9:15 pmSpin? I already gave my reasons for not joining and have never claimed them to be legitimate. You guys on the other hand seem to think that just because you don’t agree with the president’s policy makes your excuse justified. It doesn’t.
comment by Tracy Chickenhawk
I’ve noticed that some men posting here have also called you “chickenhawk,” however you mostly protest–and repeatedly–when the women do it. Are you too scared to take on the men?
July 18th, 2007 at 6:50 amMy final words to you here are that people who don’t agree with the president’s war are far more justified for not serving than you, Chickenhawk. Even in the days when there was a draft system in the US, conscientious objection was also recognized. You’re no conscientious objector–just a chickenhawk who wants others to fight this war so you can stay home with your “wife and kids” and so the Bush twins can go out and get drunk.
Yeah, you’re such a “brave warrior” expecting me, not even 5 feet tall, to fight the war you, a physically fit man, supports but only from a distance–a hypocritical armchair warrior. You revealed yourself as a chickenhawk, so learn to live with it or just fcuk off.
#377
Comment by Midori — July 18, 2007 @ 6:50 am
“…however you mostly protest–and repeatedly–when the women do it.”‘
The women who say it are also the ones who haven’t served themselves for no GOOD reason. I have called out Wayne and told him to shove his chickenhawk comment up his ass because he said I had no right to support a war effort if I hadn’t served. That total BS.
“My final words to you here are that people who don’t agree with the president’s war are far more justified for not serving than you…”
That’s your OPINION. Wayne wanted to re-enlist eventhough he disagree completely with Bush’s policies, you guys are just plain cowards but think you are brave for chosing not to serve.
“Even in the days when there was a draft system in the US, conscientious objection was also recognized.”
Conscientious objectors are cowards.
“You’re no conscientious objector–just a chickenhawk who wants others to fight this war so you can stay home with your “wife and kids ”
If I were drafted I would go. I sure as hell wouldn’t run off to Canada and hide.
“Yeah, you’re such a “brave warrior†expecting me, not even 5 feet tall, to fight the war you,…”
So you mental capacity wouldn’t allow you to serve in a non combat role? That doesn’t suprise me. You are a coward plain and simple and you need to learn to live with it.
“You revealed yourself as a chickenhawk, so learn to live with it or just fcuk off.”
I have, but comming from a cunt like you your demands are meaningless to me.
July 18th, 2007 at 12:30 pmSo you mental capacity wouldn’t allow you to serve in a non combat role? That doesn’t suprise me. You are a coward plain and simple.
Comment by Tracy
I had a comment here, which disappeared though no foul language was used.
July 19th, 2007 at 8:00 amSo just in case it doesn’t appear again, here is my last message to Tracy,
You didn’t serve in a non-combat role, either, did you? So you are in no position at all to call others “a coward, plain and simple,” hypocritical chickenhawk. Moreover, the way you keep on ranting and whining on and on in protest and trying to project your own weakness on others is proof that you still can’t live with your hypocrisy. What a pathetic loser you are!
Just as you are in no position to call anyone a chickenhawk.
July 22nd, 2007 at 7:02 pm#375
Comment by Lora — July 17, 2007 @ 9:09 pm
“You are a hypocritical chickenhawk, plain and simple, and you will be held to it every time you post messages on how “noble†the Iraq War is.”
And you will be held to the fact that you are a coward plain and simple every time you try and judge others when your actions or inaction in your case speak volumes to you blantant hypocricy.
July 22nd, 2007 at 7:09 pmAnd you will be held to the fact that you are a coward plain and simple every time you try and judge others when your actions or inaction in your case speak volumes to you blantant(SIC) hypocricy(SIC)
Comment by Tracy — July 22, 2007 @ 7:09 pm
There is absolutely nothing hypocritical about a person who doesn’t support the war not volunteering for the military, unlike you, Tracy Chickenhawk. But you still don’t get it, do you? You protest a veteran like Wayne, etc. judging you as a “chickenhawk,” but you apparently think you alone are in the position to call people “cowards.” Poor little boy, don’t expect further replies, as I already know you will just go on and on with the same lame protests.
July 22nd, 2007 at 10:09 pm#
Just as you are in no position to call anyone a chickenhawk.
Comment by Tracy — July 22, 2007 @ 7:02 pm
“it is too late to retract your own outing as a chickenhawk.â€
I have never denied it, so you would be advised not to mention it again.
Comment by Tracy — July 17, 2007 @ 5:40 pm
Tracy, TP’s resident Chickenhawk,
July 23rd, 2007 at 2:20 amHere’s a big question: if you have never denied being a chickenhawk (July 17), why aren’t others in a position to call you one (July 22)?
when your actions or inaction in your case speak volumes to you blantant(SIC) hypocricy(SIC)
Comment by Tracy — July 22, 2007 @ 7:09 pm
Do you want to know what really speaks volumes about you, Tracy Chickenhawk? I noticed on the Senator and Mrs. Vitter thread that Wayne, a veteran BTW, made a crack about your wife paying him for sex. Most married men I know would be livid about a remark like that, but you just passed it off as a joke. On the other hand, you’ve been ranting through various threads about being called a “chickenhawk,” “coward,” etc. Therefore, one can conclude that either you are so self-centered that you worry more about your own image than that of the wife you claim you “don’t want to be separated from for an extended period of time.” Or else your blog persona of being a young married man with kids is a big lie.
July 23rd, 2007 at 7:43 am#382
Comment by Lora — July 22, 2007 @ 10:09 pm
“There is absolutely nothing hypocritical about a person who doesn’t support the war not volunteering for the military…”
There is when you specifically could have joined well before the 2003 Iraq invasion. Remember you disability, age, or both nixed your ability to join in 2003, not just your personal objections to the Iraq invasion. When you had the ablility to join after highschool what “war” was the U.S. engaged in that made you say “no”?
“but you apparently think you alone are in the position to call people “cowards.—
But you are a coward. You didn’t join when you have the physical ability just after highschool. You STILL haven’t given a legitimate answer.
July 23rd, 2007 at 7:42 pm#383
“Here’s a big question: if you have never denied being a chickenhawk (July 17), why aren’t others in a position to call you one (July 22)?”
They are in a position to do so and I haven’t said that aren’t.
July 23rd, 2007 at 7:48 pm#384
Comment by Lora — July 23, 2007 @ 7:43 am
“I noticed on the Senator and Mrs. Vitter thread that Wayne, a veteran BTW, made a crack about your wife paying him for sex. Most married men I know would be livid about a remark like that, but you just passed it off as a joke.”
But he was joking. I already gave him the same opportunity I gave Bartlebee to meet me somewhere to discuss his mouth. I never heard back from either of them.
“Or else your blog persona of being a young married man with kids is a big lie.”
It’s not a lie.
July 23rd, 2007 at 7:55 pmWhen you had the ablility to join after highschool what “war†was the U.S. engaged in that made you say “no�
But you are a coward. You didn’t join when you have the physical ability just after highschool. You STILL haven’t given a legitimate answer.
Comment by Tracy — July 23, 2007 @ 7:42 pm
God, are you stupid and repetitive! I already established that I graduated from high school in a time of peace, when military recruits are not as needed as they are during a war. You yourself also had the physical capacity upon high school graduation (and still have it) and didn’t join, did you? So just STFU already, hypocritical jerk/chickenhawk twit. You are a cosmic bore!
July 24th, 2007 at 2:47 am#388
Comment by Lora — July 24, 2007 @ 2:47 am
“I already established that I graduated from high school in a time of peace, when military recruits are not as needed as they are during a war.”
The fact that there was peace when you could have joined is IRRELEVANT, Get it? The miltary wasn’t going to turn you down during peace time. Hell, during a time of peace when there wasn’t a war for you to protest you had even less of a good reason not to join. So during a time of peace, when your little ass wouldn’t be in danger because of an on going war, why didn’t you join the military to serve your country? I have confessed that my reason was lame…what’s your’s?
Do you think that your excuse not to join was legitimate? Answer that
BTW when I could have joined right after highschool, the U.S. wasn’t engaged in any war, same as it was for you. Also I think you are under the dilusion that being in the military during a time of peace means that you wouldn’t be deployed for extended periods of time. That’s utter nonsense. Just because the U.S. isn’t at war doesn’t mean that it’s active duty members are deployed for long periods of time.
“You yourself also had the physical capacity upon high school graduation (and still have it) and didn’t join, did you?”
No I didn’t join right after highschool and have explained MULTIPLE times that me joining that military would require me to be seperated from my family, i.e. wife and kids. First of all being an USAF officer (I wasn’t going to be enlisted) would require a college degree that would take a minimum of four years. After that officers are required to serve a minimum of six years. This meant that I wouldn’t be out of the military untill I was 30 years old. Well for me, waiting till I was 30 to get married/have children wasn’t something I was willing to do. Lame reason? Probably. I will admit it.
July 24th, 2007 at 3:01 pm