WH reassures necons: ‘We’re staying with the surge.’
By on Jul 15th, 2007 at 10:30 pm
WH reassures necons: ‘We’re staying with the surge.’
Today on The Chris Matthews Show, BBC correspondent Katty Kay reported:
Hawks have been calling the White House all week saying: “We hope you’re not going to wobble on Iraq.” And I understand they’ve been getting reassurance from the White House: “No, the policy is not changing.” Bill Kristol wrote a very condemning article saying that the White House must not change policy, must stick with the surge. The White House called back, said: “Why are you giving us such a hit; we’re staying with the surge.”
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July 15th, 2007 at 10:32 pmCoward.
July 15th, 2007 at 10:34 pmafter we win and finish the job you whiny pansy ass libs will wet your bed and say you supported the war the whole time. CNN and billary will say that she voted for the and is proud of her vote, once again. It will be over in the spring, its just a matter if the dems want to be a part of winning he war or looking like sissies.
July 15th, 2007 at 10:37 pmHow can the absolute idiocy of the Bush administration and its Neocon-traitor cheerleading squad not be apparent to everyone?
July 15th, 2007 at 10:37 pmdrock,
You don’t know shit.
July 15th, 2007 at 10:38 pmFor the Bush administration, the marketing of the “surge” in Iraq more and more looks like an ad for a Hollywood flop. In this case, the box office numbers are in and the film is a dismal failure. And yet a small but reliable group of friendly critics continues to offer rave reviews for “Iraq: The Surge.”
For the details, see:
July 15th, 2007 at 10:39 pm“Iraq Surge Wins Rave Reviews.”
The surge was never designed to work, it was designed to funnel a few more billion to KBR/Haliburton.
July 15th, 2007 at 10:41 pmSatisfying a neocon is like trying to dry an ocean. We pardoned Scooter, we invaded Iraq, we’re trying to invade Iran, what else you do want? BTW, has The Weekly Standard cranked out the list of the 5 next wars it wants to start. My guesses are Syria, Lichtenstein, The Canary Islands, Japan (they’d never see it coming, and Montana.
July 15th, 2007 at 10:42 pmIf drock really believes the drivel in #3, then drock is in for a bit of a surprise.
July 15th, 2007 at 10:44 pmafter we win and finish the job you whiny pansy ass libs will wet your bed and say you supported the war the whole time. CNN and billary will say that she voted for the and is proud of her vote, once again. It will be over in the spring, its just a matter if the dems want to be a part of winning he war or looking like sissies.
Comment by drock
Ah yes, the Three “I’s of Trolldom… irrational, irrelevant, and intellectualy dishonest. NEXT!!!
July 15th, 2007 at 10:47 pmdrock — same troll, different name
July 15th, 2007 at 10:48 pmthen drock is in for a bit of a surprise.
Comment by VerbalKint
drock only sees what he, or she, can see from the inside of his/her colon.
July 15th, 2007 at 10:48 pmMy guesses are Syria, Lichtenstein, The Canary Islands, Japan (they’d never see it coming, and Montana.
Comment by Kyle
What??? They’re skipping over the Republic of Stupidity??? I’m hurt, I’m telling you… I’m REALLY hurt!!!
July 15th, 2007 at 10:50 pmSomeone please send Kristol to Iraq for the duration until we ‘win.’ And he must have kids – shouldn’t they go too if he’s so pro surge?
July 15th, 2007 at 10:51 pmBush the Coward is intent on running out the clock and drop the whole mess into the next President’s lap. What else is there to expect from a pampered, spoiled, brat, who never had to take responsibility for his own actions?
Bush, Cheney, and the rest of their demented courtisans, will never cop to their failures, no matter how many US soldiers they are sending to be killed and maimed.
This crowd is Amoral (as opposed to Immoral). They are truly sociopaths if not psychopaths. The inmates are running the asylum.
July 15th, 2007 at 10:52 pmdrock, in 5 years time, all America will be denying they voted for Bush. All America will be stung by the memory of Bush — his name is already radioactive — and the GOP’s failures to provide necessary oversight.
July 15th, 2007 at 10:52 pmThe current “strategy” of “surging” troops into local hot spots is losing the occupation.
July 15th, 2007 at 10:53 pmLosing. Losing, getting our troops killed and losing.
Even the generals admit there is only a political way out of this mess, not a military one, and still we get the same lame assbreath “strategy” out of these neocon death sluts.
The chickenshit, chickenhawk, cowards of the PNAC…none of whom have ever served in battle, (most have never worn a uniform), love their war for the profits of the military industrial complex and oil companies, as well as their fascist desires.
Send the cowardly bastards to Iraq to get educated.
July 15th, 2007 at 10:53 pmAnd he must have kids – shouldn’t they go too if he’s so pro surge?
Comment by designer
Whoa… are you telling me that an actual living, breathing woman would sleep w/ Bill Kristol? S-H-U-D-D-E-R… I’m not gonna sleep good tonight.
July 15th, 2007 at 10:55 pmComment by drock
Another chickenshit, chickenhawk, coward who has never heard a shot fired over his head. Stupid, bottom dwelling, knuckle dragging, troglodyte moron. Who is the enemy, dumbass? We are occupying a country and they want us the hell out! Get a freaking clue.
July 15th, 2007 at 10:56 pm(most have never worn a uniform)
Comment by kasinca
I dunno. I’ll bet at least few of them have worn WAC or WAVE uniforms.
July 15th, 2007 at 10:56 pmI dunno. I’ll bet at least few of them have worn WAC or WAVE uniforms.
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — July 15, 2007 @ 10:56 pm
Doubtful.
July 15th, 2007 at 10:57 pmOver the past 6 years the national debt has increased 50% and what have we been given to show for it, an endless war!
Where is the diplomacy to talk about solutions these days? Oh, I forgot, they are taking the Summer off this year!
July 15th, 2007 at 10:58 pmits just a matter if the dems want to be a part of winning he war or looking like sissies.
Comment by drock — July 15, 2007 @ 10:37 pm
Sissies make fun of dead soldiers while sitting in the safety of their basements.
July 15th, 2007 at 10:59 pmDoubtful.
Comment by kasinca
(I was referring to the men, like TRudi and his penchance for dress-up…)
July 15th, 2007 at 11:00 pmComment by Dave — July 15, 2007 @ 10:58 pm
That’s so the start of the surge can be forwarded to August.
July 15th, 2007 at 11:03 pmSo, #3 …..how would or could we know that the business is finished? or that we have won? Less violence overall?
Shia and Sunni holding hands drinking beer? Former Kurdish terrorists (Anwar Al Islamists, now known as the cause celeb – Al Quaeda in Iraq)) incorporated into the government?
Permanent US bases? Free Oil?
Iraqis will still be closely aligned to Iran if Malaki is PM.
I just don’t see a cohesive government staying in power in Iraq without intense sectarian strife.
I just can’t imagine what this “victory” would look like.
July 15th, 2007 at 11:04 pmAnd then September.
July 15th, 2007 at 11:05 pmWhite House: “No, the policy is not changing.â€
C’MON!! Is this really any surprise at all? The WH has bashed anyone and everyone who disagrees with them as being ‘defeatists’ (Snow called a reporter that….it was great, shoulda been there).
July 15th, 2007 at 11:05 pmTo even CONSIDER the POSSIBILITY of ‘changing course’ would be seen as a sign of weakness amongst THEMSELVES…everyone else on Earth would be ecstatic.
Comment by kasinca
(I was referring to the men, like TRudi and his penchance for dress-up…)
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — July 15, 2007 @ 11:00 pm
I catch the drift but we are talking about chickenshit, chickenhawks who couldn’t hold a light to the really brave individuals in the WAC or WAVE. We are talking bottom feeding cowards.
July 15th, 2007 at 11:05 pmWe are talking bottom feeding cowards.
Comment by kasinca
Agreed. I just like to belittle them in the bargain.
July 15th, 2007 at 11:06 pmAnd then October.
July 15th, 2007 at 11:06 pmY’all get the drift?
July 15th, 2007 at 11:07 pmY’all get the drift?
Comment by WaltTheMan
Yup. That’s always been the plan.
July 15th, 2007 at 11:10 pmOne thing about the NeoCons who refuse to see the reality of the disaster they caused in Iraq — They are dumb as dirt.
July 15th, 2007 at 11:12 pmNow we’ll see more then 1000 soldiers killed before Sept. Americans will be glad they stayed the course.
July 15th, 2007 at 11:12 pmNext we’ll see Bush say the troops can never come home and let’s get some more Americans to join the Iraq civil war. Someone should ask the GOP if the number of dead soldiers will be enough when it hits 160,000 soldiers dead. Americans will support that number and even higher if necessary to make sure Cheney gets that pipe line built to steal oil from Iraq.
Comment by Dave — July 15, 2007 @ 10:58 pm
“That’s so the start of the surge can be forwarded to August.”
Comment by WaltTheMan — July 15, 2007 @ 11:03 pm
That’s what Wayne and I were saying today. They timed the last deployment to coincide with the Iraqi gov’ts 2-month vacation so that in September they can say, “well, the Iraqi government hasn’t met their benchmarks, we need more time, captain!”
July 15th, 2007 at 11:13 pmEverything they have said so far has been dead on. Why on earth would we question their ability to deliver a “victory” by the spring. Drock is the face of the new Republican party. Full of hate and without logic.
July 15th, 2007 at 11:14 pm“How can the absolute idiocy of the Bush administration and its Neocon-traitor cheerleading squad not be apparent to everyone?
Comment by VerbalKint — July 15, 2007″
If it’s so apparent then I think it should be pretty easy for you to explain it to us?
July 15th, 2007 at 11:19 pm“drock,
You don’t know shit.
Comment by Zooey — July 15, 2007″
And you do?
July 15th, 2007 at 11:19 pm“In this case, the box office numbers are in and the film is a dismal failure
Comment by Furious — July 15, 2007″
If you are saying the surge is a failure then I am guessing you can elaborate why?
July 15th, 2007 at 11:21 pmIf it’s so apparent then I think it should be pretty easy for you to explain it [the absolute idiocy of the Bush administration ] to us?
Good evening, michael. Aren’t you tired of getting p’wned here?
I’ll start with this:
In her public testimony before the 9-11 commission, Dr. Rice stated: “I do not remember any reports to us, a kind of strategic warning, that planes might be used as weapons.†[...] Condoleezza Rice was the top National Security official with President Bush at the July 2001 G-8 summit in Genoa. There, “U.S. officials were warned that Islamic terrorists might attempt to crash an airliner†into the summit, prompting officials to “close the airspace over Genoa and station antiaircraft guns at the city’s airport.†[...] Bush received an August 6, 2001 memo entitled “Bin Laden Determined to Strike in U.S.†which mentioned bin Laden’s desire and capability to strike the US possibly using hijacked airplanes. The CIA warned that bin Laden will launch an attack against the US and/or Israel in the coming weeks that “will be spectacular and designed to inflict mass casualties against US facilities or interests.â€
July 15th, 2007 at 11:21 pm“it was designed to funnel a few more billion to KBR/Haliburton.
Comment by Vato — July 15, 2007″
Really? Care to share what you know about this with us?
July 15th, 2007 at 11:22 pm“Hawks have been calling the White House all week saying: “We hope you’re not going to wobble on Iraq.”"
Where “hawks” presumably means Halliburton’s board of directors. “Don’t worry,” says the Chimpster, “we’ll keep the gravy train rolling for y’all as long as we can.”
July 15th, 2007 at 11:23 pm“If drock really believes the drivel in #3, then drock is in for a bit of a surprise.
Comment by VerbalKint — July 15, 2007″
What do you know that drock doesn’t?
July 15th, 2007 at 11:23 pmAnd you do?
Comment by michael — July 15, 2007 @ 11:19 pm
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I know Sh!t. I know his sister, his mom, hell I know Sh!t’s whole family. But anytime I try to tell a republican about Sh!t, they run away. They don’t know Sh!t, but they think they can tell me all about Sh!t.
July 15th, 2007 at 11:24 pmIf it’s so apparent then I think it should be pretty easy for you to explain it to us?
Comment by michael — July 15, 2007 @ 11:19 pm
Don’t bother. Everyone her already knows.
July 15th, 2007 at 11:24 pm“…explain it to us?”
Comment by michael — July 15, 2007 @ 11:19 pm
“…share what you know about this with us?”
Comment by michael — July 15, 2007 @ 11:22 pm
What’s with the “us”? Are you schizophrenic? Or do you assume that everyone here is as ignorant as you are? Because the rest of “us” are keeping up with Vato and VerbalKint.
July 15th, 2007 at 11:27 pm” Bush received an August 6, 2001 memo entitled “Bin Laden Determined to Strike in U.S.†which mentioned bin Laden’s desire and capability to strike the US possibly using hijacked airplanes.
Comment by Arthur C. — July 15, 2007″
So? What should he have done? Launched a massive air raid against who? Closed down every airport in the US? Sent the Air National Guard into the air flying all over the U.S. looking for hijacked airplanes? Why didn’t Clinton take out UBL when he had him in the cross hairs?
July 15th, 2007 at 11:28 pm“Or do you assume that everyone here is as ignorant as you are? Because the rest of “us†are keeping up with Vato and VerbalKint.
Comment by Jane E. Schneider — July 15, 2007″
I’m assuming that most of you liberals are too stupid to back up your rhetoric with FACTS!
July 15th, 2007 at 11:29 pm“Or do you assume that everyone here is as ignorant as you are?
Comment by Jane E. Schneider — July 15, 2007″
Explain to us how the surge has failed?
July 15th, 2007 at 11:30 pm“Everyone her already knows.
Comment by Egreggious — July 15, 2007″
Then that should make it real easy for you to explain? Shouldn’t it?
July 15th, 2007 at 11:31 pm“Why didn’t Clinton take out UBL when he had him in the cross hairs?”
Comment by michael — July 15, 2007 @ 11:28 pm
The answer to that has been explained here many times over the last year or two, with links. Go look it up yourself.
But first, answer this one: Why didn’t Cheney?
July 15th, 2007 at 11:32 pm“But anytime I try to tell a republican about Sh!t, they run away. They don’t know Sh!t, but they think they can tell me all about Sh!t.
Comment by Chris L — July 15, 2007″
I’m a Republican and I’m not going anywhere. You think you can handle me chris? Try it?
July 15th, 2007 at 11:33 pmThen that should make it real easy for you to explain? Shouldn’t it?
Comment by michael — July 15, 2007 @ 11:31 pm
And you as well.
I ain’t taking your bait tonight.
I’m sick to death of you a$$holes.
July 15th, 2007 at 11:33 pmI’m assuming that most of you liberals are too stupid to back up your rhetoric with FACTS!
Comment by michael — July 15, 2007 @ 11:29 pm
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I’ve been fighting the temptation, but OK, let’s go. The surge is a failure. That is a fact. Secterian violence is up, American fatalitites are up, and the Iraqi government is heading nowhere fast. I served 18 months in Iraq, and still have friends over there. Bush has said that the dismal numbers coming out of Iraq are simply because the surge has not had enough time. But, no one, NO ONE, with any real knowledge of waht is going on believes the surge is a success. That is a fact.
Republicans hate freedom, democracy, and our troops. That is a fact.
July 15th, 2007 at 11:34 pmMore Bush failures:
* the use of phony intel to justifiy war on Iraq
July 15th, 2007 at 11:35 pm* the hiring of young, inexperienced Republicans to oversee Iraq’s reconstruction
* secret meetings between Vice President Cheney’s energy task force and oil industry executives
* alleged firing of US attorneys for poltical purposes
* the downplaying of links between greenhouse-gas emissions and global warming
* alleged use of the General Services Administration for partisan purposes
* hiring of an attorney for the International Arabian Horse Association to head the FEMA
“The answer to that has been explained here many times over the last year or two, with links. Go look it up yourself.
Comment by Jane E. Schneider — July 15, 2007″
Wrong! There have been attempts! But I’m not interested in what other excuses people have used in the past. I’m interested in what you think. I want to see how stupid/smart you are? Take your best shot?
July 15th, 2007 at 11:35 pmmichael,
July 15th, 2007 at 11:37 pmWMD – Outright lie
Yellow cake – Outright lie
Mushroom cloud – Outright lie
That’s what got us in, then
Iraq = AlQuida – Outright lie
AlQuida leading insurgency – Outright lie
We are winning the war – Outright lie
They are in their last throes – Outright lie
Progress is being made – Outright lie
“You think you can handle me chris? Try it?”
Comment by michael — July 15, 2007 @ 11:33 pm
Comment by Chris L — July 15, 2007 @ 11:34 pm
Asked and answered.
July 15th, 2007 at 11:37 pmThe “surge” hasn’t failed. From it’s inception in Kagan’s “Chosing Victory” it was designed to buy time.
That is what it has done. Bought and paid for with 600 soldiers lives since Jan 2007.
And how much money?
Now they say it only started two weeks ago? How long do we let these idiots think they are pulling the wool over our eyes with this twaddle?
July 15th, 2007 at 11:38 pmTwaddle!
July 15th, 2007 at 11:39 pmnice huh?
July 15th, 2007 at 11:40 pmComment by michael — July 15, 2007 @ 11:35 pm
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What is our military mission in Iraq? I want to know. I spent 18 months there. Who is the enemy? They keep changing that on us. The people we are trying to protect now were the enemy when I was deployed in Feb 2003, and vice versa. How do we know when our troops have completed the mission? At what point do they get to come home? Why is it that every person who voted against the Webb amendment last week was republican?
July 15th, 2007 at 11:40 pmmichael,
July 15th, 2007 at 11:43 pmPerhaps you can explain how the surge has succeded in reducing Iraqi and coalition causualties. Since Tony says that the surge has been effective for the last 19 days, use those as a benchmark.
“Victory means exit strategy, and it is important that the president tell us what that strategy is.” – Gov. George W. Bush
Michael,
What is our exit strategy in Iraq?
July 15th, 2007 at 11:43 pmIt appears the only one having trouble following the comments is — michael.
Surprise!!
What a frickin’ doofus.
July 15th, 2007 at 11:43 pmSaudi Arabia is investing more in harming US soldiers than Iran is. This is outright treason. They should be dragged into the street and made to beg for their lives from the families of those who gave their lives for this country.
July 15th, 2007 at 11:44 pmMichael,
I thought you weren’t going anywhere?
July 15th, 2007 at 11:45 pm“I’ve been fighting the temptation, but OK, let’s go. The surge is a failure. That is a fact.”
It is NOT a fact! The surge has only been going on for a couple of months and the reports coming out of Iraq are all positive. I know you dopes on the left want it to fail, even if it means more dead soldiers! Anything to hurt this President. What cowards you all are! I don’t know how you live with yourselves!
Republicans hate freedom, democracy, and our troops. That is a fact.
That’s a fact?
What party compared our troops to Nazis?
What party accused our troops of terrorizing women and children in the middle of the night?
What party flooded the internet and press with staged photos from Abu Grhaib?
What party exposed our secret prisons?
What party forged military documents on a sitting President?
Don’t tell me that we hate democracy, freedom and our troops. We would NEVER think of doing any of these things while our troops were in harms way, Democrats do it all the time! Traitors!
Comment by Chris L — July 15, 2007
July 15th, 2007 at 11:45 pmBush White House successes:
Implemented national “do-not-call” list was signed into law by President George W. Bush on March 11, 2003.
July 15th, 2007 at 11:47 pm.
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That’s it; that’s the whole list.
What cowards you all are! I don’t know how you live with yourselves!
Comment by michael — July 15, 2007 @ 11:45 pm
Yes, sitting here at our keyboards instead of on the battlefield making that surge succeed. Cowards, indeed.
July 15th, 2007 at 11:48 pm#68 – Nice cut & paste, michael.
Better cite that, huh?
July 15th, 2007 at 11:49 pm“It appears the only one having trouble following the comments is — michael.
Surprise!!
What a frickin’ doofus.
Comment by Zooey — July 15, 2007″
zooey, I’m so glad you didn’t go running off to another blog with your tail between you legs like wayne did! I need someone to make fun of and you are the perfect person! So, I’ll ask you again, why did it take kerry over 5 years to get his Honorable Discharge?
July 15th, 2007 at 11:49 pmComment by Chris L — July 15, 2007
You have to be careful when arguing with a Neanderthal the caliber of michael’s -he is not angry or embarrassed that there were secret prisons or that people were tortured at Abu Ghraib. His anger is directed at the people who exposed the wrongs, not to those who committed them.
He is the ultimate morally bankrupt loyal sheep.
July 15th, 2007 at 11:49 pmMichael, you need like, help or something.
Staged photos of Abu Grhaib? nazis? the dems are behind the forged documents?
you are whacko
July 15th, 2007 at 11:49 pmIn one way the surge has not failed……
There is no surge. The pitance of an increase over previous deployed numbers.
Hence no true or meaningful surge and no chance that this phantom increase of troops really means anything.
Again…for all practical pruposes, there is no surge.
If the Repubs really believed in force, they would have the balls to call for a draft and really have an escalation. Neocons would support it (the blodthirsty lot), but the American public will not.
Once again, I cannot get any supporter of the “surge” to explain to me what victory would look like in Iraq. It is obvious that the current government arrangement does nothing but empower Iranian influence.
July 15th, 2007 at 11:50 pm“Don’t tell me that we hate democracy, freedom and our troops.”
Comment by michael — July 15, 2007 @ 11:45 pm
We might stop telling you that if you and your King does first.
July 15th, 2007 at 11:50 pm“Bush White House successes:
Implemented national “do-not-call†list was signed into law by President George W. Bush on March 11, 2003.
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That’s it; that’s the whole list.
Comment by Arthur C. — July 15, 2007″
Have we been hit in this country by terrorists since 9/11? NO!
July 15th, 2007 at 11:50 pmThe surge, as Petraeus has described it, involves setting up local posts manned by Iraqi and American troops. The idea is to have a very local resource available to quell violence as it occurs.
This hasn’t worked so well, although some neighborhoods are reporting less violence, now that the Sunni’s are all gone from the neighborhood.
The main reasons given for it not working out so well are the treacherous Iraqi troops who are actually sectarian plants.
If you are reading up and keeping up, this has been reported over and over again…
July 15th, 2007 at 11:51 pmmikey, get some more kool aid, it’s going to be a long night for u.
you are whacko
Comment by willyloman — July 15, 2007 @ 11:49 pm
Twaddle!
(Sorry, I’m very tired.)
July 15th, 2007 at 11:51 pm“We might stop telling you that if you and your King does first.
Comment by Jane E. Schneider — July 15, 2007″
What about the rest of that post jane? Too much of a coward to address it?
July 15th, 2007 at 11:51 pmComment by michael — July 15, 2007 @ 11:45 pm
The surge has only been going on for a couple of months and the reports coming out of Iraq are all positive.
** I have yet to hear that from anyone here, or from friends of mine still there.
Republicans hate freedom, democracy, and our troops. That is a fact.
That’s a fact?
**What party voted against giving our troops a rest between deployments?
What party accused our troops of terrorizing women and children in the middle of the night?
**I have been there, in the middle of the night, when we went door to door in Dogwood forcing families out of their homes so that we could search them.
What party forged military documents on a sitting President?
**What president based his campaign on bashing the war record of the Vietnam Veteran running against him?
How is the surge working?
July 15th, 2007 at 11:51 pmmichael, why did Bush send American GIs to war with Iraq?
I think it was because his polls numbers were slumping. What’s your theory?
Why was the occupation such a disaster?
I think it’s because Bush is not only incompetent, but willfully ignorant and reflexively belligerent.
What do you think, michael?
July 15th, 2007 at 11:53 pmThere is no surge. The pitance of an increase over previous deployed numbers.
Comment by Eargy Earp — July 15, 2007 @ 11:50 pm
I call it a surge when I get decent water pressure from my shower.
July 15th, 2007 at 11:53 pm“If you are reading up and keeping up, this has been reported over and over again…
mikey, get some more kool aid, it’s going to be a long night for u.
Comment by RUCerious — July 15, 2007″
Listen, you lunatics on the left were screaming that the surge isn’t working the day after it started. As I have said you don’t want it to work. You want us to fail. Anything to embarrass this President even if it means more dead soldiers!
July 15th, 2007 at 11:54 pmzooey, I’m so glad you didn’t go running off to another blog with your tail between you legs like wayne did!
Comment by michael
You would have missed me so much, you pitiful thing. I decided to stick around so people checking in on this blog wouldn’t think it was populated by morons such as yourself.
Don’t pretend to be interested in debate. We al know different.
AND don’t you ever insinuate that Wayne is a coward. He’s more of a man than you ever thought of being, or could ever hope to be.
July 15th, 2007 at 11:54 pmwhy did it take kerry over 5 years to get his Honorable Discharge?
Comment by michael — July 15, 2007 @ 11:49 pm
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Why does it take 2 years to get a replacement DD214?
July 15th, 2007 at 11:54 pmBetter question:
Why did it take me 9 months to get an appointment at the liver clinic at my local VA? It was packed with OIF vets. Why are so many soldiers coming back with liver problems?
Comment by michael
pathetic little apologist looking for anyway to get attention. Go away. Nothing you have said here has any base in reality. Yell and scream and cuss to try to get attention.
You are mindless. you have no capacity for original thought. you couldn’t win an argument with yourself, and God knows you’ve tried.
July 15th, 2007 at 11:55 pmGo watch “Roadhouse” and beat off.
Anything to embarrass this President even if it means more dead soldiers!
Comment by michael — July 15, 2007 @ 11:54 pm
That’s the one thing you bloodythirsty trolls dream about most.
July 15th, 2007 at 11:56 pmThat Bush’s invasion of Iraq would be a disaster was so clearly predictable. Six months before Bush invaded Iraq, Al Gore said that a pre-emptive war on Iraq would increase the number of terrorists, undercut US influence in the region, and diminish US legitimacy in the world affairs.
George Bush said that his war on Iraq would last “weeks, not months,” Iraqi oil revenues would pay for the war, and a tide of Democracy would sweep through the Middle East.
Al Gore was 100% right.
George Bush was 100% wrong.
Rightwingers don’t have what it takes to win a war: regular contact with reality. They live in Fantasyland.
July 15th, 2007 at 11:57 pmAnything to embarrass this President even if it means more dead soldiers!
Comment by michael — July 15, 2007 @ 11:54 pm
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Why can’t our soldiers rest, retrain, and re-equip between deployments? That is what the Webb amendment addressed, and everyone who opposed it was republican.
July 15th, 2007 at 11:58 pmAfter the war….
Oh God… the last humans will be Mr. President and Michael!
oh dear god, they’ll BREED!
like frogs they can change sexes!
Oh my God! It will be planet of the Apes!
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
July 15th, 2007 at 11:59 pmAnything to embarrass this President even if it means more dead soldiers!
Comment by michael — July 15, 2007 @ 11:54 pm
Two things: 1) Pres Bush hardly needs any help embarrassing himself, 2) You and your fellow Bush cult followers will do anything to support this president and his misguided military adventure, even if it means more dead soldiers.
You are truly pathetic… oh, and you should provide links and facts to backup your claim that the surge is working.
July 15th, 2007 at 11:59 pmIdiot Michael is full of questions tonight. I’m wondering why anyone even reads his silly posts…much less repsond to the imbecile.
July 16th, 2007 at 12:00 amor respond to him either… :D
July 16th, 2007 at 12:01 amOh goody.
Let the blood flow like wine.
Let the streets of Bagdad run red with blood, and we’ll all rejoice in our bloody spectacle.
I’m sure the rest of the planet is impressed.
July 16th, 2007 at 12:03 amOK Michael, I’m about to go to bed. But I’ll give you about ten more minutes, just in case.
July 16th, 2007 at 12:03 amThis is after all what the founding fathers had in mind.
July 16th, 2007 at 12:05 amLet the president rise above the congress and wage bloody war in foreign lands to his hearts delight.
Michael seems pretty immature to me. Does anyone know his age? I’d guess 12 or 13 years old. Those are rough years for a kid… but buck up there little trooper. If chimpy has his way, in a short 5 years, you can go raise your hand and join the Marines or Army and go kill you somebody…hell, it could be anybody in Iraq by then…lucky you.
July 16th, 2007 at 12:06 amOn the East Coast, it is now Sgt. Sherman’s birthday.
Sleep peacefully, brave soldier.
July 16th, 2007 at 12:06 am“michael, why did Bush send American GIs to war with Iraq?
I have explained this a dozen times on this blog and the fact that you are still asking this question amazes me! In the last 30 years we have lost over 3,000 innocent people to muslim terrorist attacks around the world. What was Carter, Reagan, Bush 1, & Clinton waiting for? 4,000? 5,000? 6,000? When W took office and we were attacked there was FINALLY someone in the Oval Office who decided to go after them. Iraq was in violation of your beloved U.N. resolutions. I think 12 of them? These were resolutions that were imposed on them from the first Iraq war where Bush 1 drove them out of Kuwait. So, until Iraq complied with those resolutions the first war wasn’t over yet. What better country to invade so that we could have a military presence to go after terrorists. But I don’t expect a liberal to understand this.
Why was the occupation such a disaster?
The occupation wasn’t a disaster even though I know you traitors want it to be. It will take us decades to get that part of the world under control short of nuking them. Get use to it, we will be there a long time!
Comment by Arthur C. — July 15, 2007
July 16th, 2007 at 12:06 amAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!
THEY’RE GOING TO BREED!!!!!!!!!
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!
I said. so there.
July 16th, 2007 at 12:06 amC’mon, michael.
Back up what you say with facts.
Haughtily demanding that we back up what we say, while failing to do so makes you a hypocrite.
Or am I to assume you are too stupid to back your rhetoric with facts?
July 16th, 2007 at 12:06 amWhy can’t our soldiers rest, retrain, and re-equip between deployments? That is what the Webb amendment addressed, and everyone who opposed it was republican.
Comment by Chris L — July 15, 2007 @ 11:58 pm
Good comments tonight, Chris L. But one little correction, add to your last phrase “everyone who opposed it was Republican” “and “IINO (Independent in Name Only)–the one and only Joe Liarman.” I’m sure it’s a safe bet that michael will have nothing of valuable to say to you.
July 16th, 2007 at 12:07 amMichael,
Proof that republicans do not support the troops, and are working to get more of them killed:
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=110&session=1&vote=00241
July 16th, 2007 at 12:07 amHappy Birthday Soldier.
July 16th, 2007 at 12:07 amor respond to him either… :D
Comment by Pat
michael’s too stupid to cause any real damage, and it’s fun to whack him for a few comments. :)
July 16th, 2007 at 12:07 am“What about the rest of that post jane? Too much of a coward to address it?”
Comment by michael — July 15, 2007 @ 11:51 pm
What party compared our troops to Nazis?
-Neither. Dick Durbin’s words were twisted by Republican spinmeisters.
What party accused our troops of terrorizing women and children in the middle of the night?
-No party. It was bloggers.
What party flooded the internet and press with staged photos from Abu Grhaib?
-”Staged?” Are you kidding? Plus, the Pentagon released the pictures. To what party does the Pentagon belong?
What party exposed our secret prisons?
-No party. It was reported by the Washington Post.
What party forged military documents on a sitting President?
-No party. A news organization mistakenly used fake documents that, nevertheless, were accurate in their content.
There–satisfied? Your strawman arguments won’t work here, try someplace else.
July 16th, 2007 at 12:08 am#90
Why can’t our soldiers rest, retrain, and re-equip between deployments? That is what the Webb amendment addressed, and everyone who opposed it was republican.
Um, the Webb amendment was an attempt to ’slow bleed’ the troops out of Iraq.
It really wasn’t about “rest”.
The president is the Commander In Chief – he directs the troops, Congress shouldn’t stick their nose in where it doesn’t belong.
July 16th, 2007 at 12:08 amWhat better country to invade so that we could have a military presence to go after terrorists.
Comment by michael — July 16, 2007 @ 12:06 am
I’m still going with Sweden.
July 16th, 2007 at 12:08 am“Idiot Michael is full of questions tonight.
Comment by Pat — July 16, 2007″
And isn’t it strange I never get an intelligent answer? Welcome pat! You’ll fit right in with the rest of your fellow travelers!
July 16th, 2007 at 12:09 amIraq was in violation of your beloved U.N. resolutions. I think 12 of them?
Comment by michael — July 16, 2007 @ 12:06 am
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Israel is in violation of over 65 UN resolutions. When do we attack?
July 16th, 2007 at 12:09 amComment by Jane E. Schneider —
You go girl.
THEY’LL BREED! AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
July 16th, 2007 at 12:09 amIsrael is in violation of over 65 UN resolutions. When do we attack?
Comment by Chris L
nice point.
July 16th, 2007 at 12:10 amComment by Jane E. Schneider — July 16, 2007 @ 12:08 am
Nice!
July 16th, 2007 at 12:11 amWe honor you and your service on your birthday, soldier.
July 16th, 2007 at 12:11 amUm, the Webb amendment was an attempt to ’slow bleed’ the troops out of Iraq.
It really wasn’t about “restâ€.
Comment by Nothing matters — July 16, 2007 @ 12:08 am
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Yes it was. Read it.
July 16th, 2007 at 12:11 am“To specify minimum periods between deployment of units and members of the Armed Forces for Operation Iraqi Freedom and Operation Enduring Freedom.”
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=110&session=1&vote=00241
Have we been hit in this country by terrorists since 9/11? NO!
Comment by michael — July 15, 2007 @ 11:50 pm
The terrorists do not have to do anything to us when our thugs in our crime family are doing it for them. Dubya and his crime family have taken away our privacy and our right to representation. They have started torturing prisoners and they have made it okay to kidnap and imprison in foriegn countries with no representation. What the hell do the terrorists have to do when Dubya the drunken AWOL coward is doing the work for them? Michael, why don’t you enlist and go fight this war for your hero? You are a freaking chickenshit, chickenhawk, coward. That is why you are on this board, being ignorant.
July 16th, 2007 at 12:12 amHey, Ann Coulter….er, I mean “michael.” How’s the penis envy coming along?
July 16th, 2007 at 12:12 ammichael, are you already there in Iraq, big boy?
Nope. Youre still, sitting in front of the PC, alone and afraid. Dipshit.
July 16th, 2007 at 12:13 amAs Michael pecks away at his laptop…in the shitter, at some seedy rest stop bathroom…just waiting for the first little boy to wander in. He’s a natural chimpy leg humper…he gets his spending money by the word…he’s up to 10 cents per now.
July 16th, 2007 at 12:14 amIsrael is in violation of over 65 UN resolutions. When do we attack?
Comment by Chris L
And the US 70+. When do we bomb then, michael?
July 16th, 2007 at 12:14 amAnd isn’t it strange I never get an intelligent answer?
Comment by michael — July 16, 2007 @ 12:09 am
You are hardly qualified to recognise an intelligent answer.
People here have given you many articulate, well-reasoned answers that you ignore or respond to with insults -not exactly an intelligent response on your part.
July 16th, 2007 at 12:14 amHave we been hit in this country by terrorists since 9/11? NO!
Comment by michael
And! He’s kept out he Armies of Hidious MOLEMEN!
not to mention the fact that the BEE PEOPLE haven’t attacked!
What’s wrong with you people!!! THE BEE PEOPLE AND THE MOLEMEN hate our freedom!!!
July 16th, 2007 at 12:15 amHave we been hit in this country by terrorists since 9/11? NO!
Comment by michael — July 15, 2007 @ 11:50 pm
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But our allies in Iraq (ie. Britain) have been. Repeatedly (ie. Spain, Japan, Italy, etc.) Why is it that fighting the Iraqi civilians “over there” doesn’t keep Saudi terrorists from attacking?
July 16th, 2007 at 12:15 am“The terrorists do not have to do anything to us when our thugs in our crime family are doing it for them.”
One of Osama’s aims was to bankrupt the USA. Guess what, Bush has done it for him. Another was to get us to close our military bases in Saudi Arabia. Guess what, Bush did it for him. And finally, Osama had as a goal to disrupt our society and make us fearful. Guess what, Bush did it for him. Who needs Osama bin Laden when we have our own Terrorist in Chief.
July 16th, 2007 at 12:15 amPeople here have given you many articulate, well-reasoned answers that you ignore or respond to with insults -not exactly an intelligent response on your part.
Comment by Gregor Samsa — July 16, 2007 @ 12:14 am
And I said “Sweden” too.
July 16th, 2007 at 12:16 amWhat’s wrong with you people!!! THE BEE PEOPLE AND THE MOLEMEN hate our freedom!!!
Comment by willyloman
That was funny. :)
July 16th, 2007 at 12:17 amTHE BEE PEOPLE……..
I think I may be drunk.
July 16th, 2007 at 12:18 amWhat’s wrong with you people!!! THE BEE PEOPLE AND THE MOLEMEN hate our freedom!!!
Comment by willyloman
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Thank you. As pissed off and upset as I am right now, that made me laugh.
July 16th, 2007 at 12:18 amI think the Bee People is an articulate, well reasoned response. if you don’t think so, you just wait til they buzz by your house. Then you’ll know.
July 16th, 2007 at 12:18 am“Idiot Michael is full of questions tonight. I’m wondering why anyone even reads his silly posts…much less respond to the imbecile.”
I’m firmly convinced, at this point, that the reason why many people post here is to play with the trolls. It is very easy to ignore them. All you have to do is to read one sentence of their posts, glance at the writer’s ID and then move on to posts that really have something to say. As long as the troll players keep it up, the trolls will stay and continue to make this site a vast wasteland of nonsense.
July 16th, 2007 at 12:18 ambzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
July 16th, 2007 at 12:19 amAs long as the troll players keep it up, the trolls will stay and continue to make this site a vast wasteland of nonsense.
Comment by Katie — July 16, 2007 @ 12:18 am
bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Comment by willyloman — July 16, 2007 @ 12:19 am
I AM DRUNK!
July 16th, 2007 at 12:20 amI answer michael because he has shit for brains.
July 16th, 2007 at 12:20 amHave we been hit in this country by terrorists since 9/11? NO!
Comment by michael — July 15, 2007 @ 11:50 pm
Classic logical fallacy!
Just because Event B fails to follow Event A, does not mean that Event A prevented Event B.
You have to connect the two somehow.
It didn’t rain yesterday, so that’s why there are no elephants in my back yard! That is a precise analogy to your argument, in all its stupidity.
July 16th, 2007 at 12:21 amG’night everyone! I’m going to bed. Have fun with the bee people!
July 16th, 2007 at 12:21 amChris L,
Good posts. Nice handling of our resident troll, michael the braindead semi-moron Epsilon minus.
July 16th, 2007 at 12:22 amTHE BEE PEOPLE……..
I think I may be drunk.
Comment by Egreggious
Now Flaco can harass you — if he’s not banned for sick troll behavior. :)
July 16th, 2007 at 12:22 amGoodnight, Chris.
Thanks for your insight and, even more, for you service to a country we shall yet make great again.
July 16th, 2007 at 12:24 amFor years I have known this “war” was a scam. I have lost touch with my own father about it. He now recognizes it, but he can’t stand the fact that I knew it back then. he even voted for a democrat for president for the first time in his life in 2004.
But I have always said that they simply took advantage of a situation that came up. they took their eyes off the ball to kick off this plan.
I now know, like I knew then when the drums were beating to go into Iraq, I know now, that they didn’t just let this happen.
I know they planned this. they planned 9/11. And if they will do that, what else are these monsters capable of?
July 16th, 2007 at 12:24 amGoodnight, Chris.
July 16th, 2007 at 12:24 amI could really go for some Cheese Puffs about now.
July 16th, 2007 at 12:24 amOk, this is getting ridiculous. Out of 130 posts 71 are either by michael or responding to michael.
michael, congratulations. You have won this thread by a landslide.
To the michael players, sorry…you lose as do the rest of the people posting on this site.
July 16th, 2007 at 12:25 amthe bee people beat me up and took my cheese puffs.
damn bee people.
July 16th, 2007 at 12:27 amFor years I have known this “war†was a scam. I have lost touch with my own father about it. He now recognizes it, but he can’t stand the fact that I knew it back then. he even voted for a democrat for president for the first time in his life in 2004.
…
Comment by willyloman
I’m sorry to hear that, willy. My father and I had to agree not to talk politics anymore after an argument we had over Katrina, or our relationship would be over. He still does not see the wrong going on in this country, but I have hope. He thinks I’ve been crazy since before GWB was elected. Oy…
July 16th, 2007 at 12:29 amI could really go for some Cheese Puffs about now.
Comment by Egreggious
Heh. What about Big Box-O-Wine and a squiggly straw?
July 16th, 2007 at 12:30 amAnd if they will do that, what else are these monsters capable of?
Comment by willyloman
Whatever it takes them to consolidate their control on oil prices and geostrategy. If it takes them to increase 4 times the price of tortilla here in Mexico or to clean the Amazonas to get biofuels, or to get a hold of the bitumen (?) sands in Canada or the gas in Iran (I dont think they will go after the largest natural gas reserves in the world under Syberia), and if that implies to kill or torture thousands of people, they are OK about that. They have done it before:
Spain with Mesoamerican indians.
French in Africa.
British in China and India
US in Central, South and North America.
China in Africa and Nepal.
Africans against africans.
etc. etc. etc.
July 16th, 2007 at 12:34 amI’m confused: does anyone have the following comment showing at #134?”
“Have we been hit in this country by terrorists since 9/11? NO!
Comment by michael — July 15, 2007 @ 11:50 pm
Classic logical fallacy!
Just because Event B fails to follow Event A, does not mean that Event A prevented Event B.
You have to connect the two somehow.
It didn’t rain yesterday, so that’s why there are no elephants in my back yard! That is a precise analogy to your argument, in all its stupidity.
Comment by Wayne A. Schneider — July 16, 2007 @ 12:21 am”
Because Wayne shows it on this thread on his computer, but it’s not coming up on mine. Weird.
July 16th, 2007 at 12:34 amKatie,
I can understand you being upset at my vendetta against the troll who defamed a dead soldier.
But I think in the process of making exchanges with the very obnoxious Michael, some good points were made that I wouldn’t have otherwise thought of. The Bee People thing, for instance, I thought was sheer genius. I have that “Fight them there so we don’t haveto fight ‘em here” argument thrown at me all the time, and I needed a response back that even a dimwitted Republican would understand. Now I have one.
Plus, I got a few laughs out of it all.
When you have lemons, make lemonade, I say.
July 16th, 2007 at 12:35 amHeh. What about Big Box-O-Wine and a squiggly straw?
Comment by Zooey — July 16, 2007 @ 12:30 am
Twaddle! I don’t think I can manage squiggly right now.
July 16th, 2007 at 12:37 amHi Juan. :)
July 16th, 2007 at 12:37 amAnd if I had limes, I’d make a gin & tonic.
July 16th, 2007 at 12:37 amTwaddle! I don’t think I can manage squiggly right now.
Comment by Egreggious
Hoo! You’re pretty far gone. :D
July 16th, 2007 at 12:38 amWillyloman, have your read any of the books by David Ray Griffin? I finished “The 9/11 Commission Report: Omissions and Distortions” and am halfway through “9/11 and American Empire – Intellectuals Speak Out Vol. 1″. It is just stunning. Literally stunning. Each page I shake my head and can’t believe what I am reading. Not because it is implausible, because it is TOTALLY plausible and likely to have happened yet was never questioned.
They do such a good job of laying out all the outright lies and discrepancies. They include LOTS of quotes from experts in their fields and quotes from people who were there, yet ignored. It is done cleanly, clearly, and methodically. It is all referenced. There is no way to refute this stuff. I really don’t understand why no one is willing to ask the hard questions and investigate all of this like should have been done a long time ago. Why are people so afraid to speak out? This is clearly messed up..
I have to wonder if the truth is EVER going to be known (in my lifetime). It matters, but even more so beings so much destruction and death is being wrought due to the events of 9/11. If the truth were known now we could put these guys behind bars or worse and try to right the damage. People’s lives can be returned, but maybe we can stop the hemorrhaging of life and treasure..
And no, I am not a nut. I have taken the time to read everything on both sides of this issue and everything I can get my hands on. There is no way of escaping what really happened no matter how much they try and squelch it.
July 16th, 2007 at 12:38 amHi Juan. :)
Comment by Zooey
Whats up, Z? Where are you now?
July 16th, 2007 at 12:39 amComment by Juan C
they have been tied into so many things in the past. niguragua, East Timor, Phillipeans, Iran, Iraq, Cuba, Egypt, Syria, lebanon,…
A long legacy. it is just. I don’t know. I guess it is our own self absorbed national image that makes us say “no way, not here”. but there is just too much evidence. too many questionable facts. And then, the chairman of the 9/11 report was one of the damn NeoCons. One Senator walked away from the commision because he said “It’s a white wash”
Then Cheney and Bush can’t talk to the commision seperately, or on the record, or with a transcript.
What is that? How does a President get away with that?
July 16th, 2007 at 12:40 am“And if I had limes, I’d make a gin & tonic.”
Comment by Egreggious — July 16, 2007 @ 12:37 am
And if your comment landed at #151, you’d have Bacardi? ;-)
July 16th, 2007 at 12:40 amWhats up, Z? Where are you now?
Comment by Juan C
I’m still in Portland. We went to the coast today. Gorgeous!
July 16th, 2007 at 12:41 am“Then Cheney and Bush can’t talk to the commision seperately, or on the record, or with a transcript.”
Comment by willyloman — July 16, 2007 @ 12:40 am
Or naked and holding hands like they wanted to, so that we could see all of their body language.
July 16th, 2007 at 12:43 amAnd if your comment landed at #151, you’d have Bacardi? ;-)
Comment by Jane E. Schneider
Oy, that’s some powerful shit…. :)
July 16th, 2007 at 12:44 amOr naked and holding hands like they wanted to, so that we could see all of their body language.
Comment by Jane E. Schneider — July 16, 2007 @ 12:43 am
Gouging! I’m gouging!
July 16th, 2007 at 12:44 amIf you wonder how it is that Osama figured out the one day to attack when Norad was tied up with Cheney’s drill, and that we didn’t go into Iraq for Al Qaeda, and that we are not really fighting Al Qaeda in Iraq?
If you figure all of that out, you’re left with the Bee People.
Phantom Menace. A ghost that we will never catch because ghosts don’t exist.
Bee People.
(cus we all know there really are MOLEMEN)
July 16th, 2007 at 12:45 amOh my god, Jane……why? :P
July 16th, 2007 at 12:45 amWhat is that? How does a President get away with that?
Comment by willyloman
My guess is that not even Bush knows the US admin did it. They just cant let that idiot knows the plan, it is criminal mind 101, of course. Dont let the dumb one know the plan. Now, Negroponte sent the Contras to impal people all over the roads in Nicaragua to terrorize the population, to make the population hate the Sandinistas. If you have people ordering this, they are capable of anything.
July 16th, 2007 at 12:46 amI have to wonder if the truth is EVER going to be known
I don’t know. I think some people have been so close to it, then silenced. Like seeing the Roman army just over the hill and knowing there is nothing your little city can do. It is just a matter of time.
I don’t know.
July 16th, 2007 at 12:49 amComment by Egreggious — July 16, 2007 @ 12:35 am
This is my opinion too.
I usually refrain from responding to obviously disruptive posting trolls who are not even half-way coherent (a la Mr. P), but with michael there are exchanges that can be salvaged.
In my opinion, responding to some of his posts at least provides others with rebuttals and comebacks to all the inanities he so likes to spout -and that we are likely to run into in every day conversations. As long as you know how to handle the trolls and don’t get in a screaming match with them, by all means, let’s make lemonade…
July 16th, 2007 at 12:50 amOr naked and holding hands like they wanted to, so that we could see all of their body language.
Comment by Jane E. Schneider
Who has the biggest tool? Cheney of Bush?
July 16th, 2007 at 12:51 amThe level of atrocities made by Suharto in Indonesia are probably unsurpassed by any modern dictator, nonetheless, Wolfowitz was always a buddy of him. Kissinger put South Americans Generals in the School of Americas to teach them how to torture thousands of people, how to take the babies away from tortured pregnant women. And the list goes on, but Im too tired.
Good night, Zoo and everybody.
Be well. :)
July 16th, 2007 at 12:52 amnight
July 16th, 2007 at 12:53 amGoodnight, Juan. :)
July 16th, 2007 at 12:55 amWho has the biggest tool? Cheney of Bush?
Comment by willyloman — July 16, 2007 @ 12:51 am
I am reminded of my progressive tax burden analogy.
If Cheney were to have an inch of his manhood removed, he’d still have plenty left. The Chimp, however, woud have a deficit.
July 16th, 2007 at 12:55 amcan I interest you in some of the Quik-E-Marts finest Cheze Pufes and a day old dusty donut, Zooey.
July 16th, 2007 at 12:56 amAll right, I’m going to go sleep it off.
Don’t wake me too early tomorrow, OK?
July 16th, 2007 at 12:57 amlater. i’m going to play with the new born kitten. they just opened their eyes. So cute. poor bastards. i’ll be the first thing they see.
July 16th, 2007 at 12:59 amCheze Pufes, of course. Only the finest…..
You can have the donut. :)
July 16th, 2007 at 1:00 amBox-O-Wine please waiter….and two squiggley straws.
night girl. take care.
July 16th, 2007 at 1:01 amHeh.
Goodnight Egreggious (I’m sending the sun for you first thing!) & willy (make sure you smile for that little kitten).
July 16th, 2007 at 1:02 ami’ll be the first thing they see.
Comment by willyloman — July 16, 2007 @ 12:59 am
Gouging! I’m gouging! Meow!
July 16th, 2007 at 1:03 amGouging! I’m gouging! Meow!
Comment by Egreggious
lol stop with that twaddle
July 16th, 2007 at 1:04 amGouging! I’m gouging! Meow!
Comment by Egreggious
lol stop with that twaddle
Comment by willyloman
Too funny, guys. :-D
I’m outta here as well. Doctor Who is calling to me……
July 16th, 2007 at 1:05 amYes please do what the Israeli Mossad agents of influence tell you to do. Obey your master americans.
July 16th, 2007 at 1:06 amInteresting to see the Israeli operatives blackmailing Bush right out in the open.
Bush already knows the stakes (the neocons revealing the entire truth of 9/11) so Kristol and other operatives are able to simply bark out their orders to Bush in Public – for all to see.
What a power trip Kristol is on, with the full weight of AIPAC and Mossad behind him.
July 16th, 2007 at 1:07 amComment by Timotheus
ah, phycotic ranting is down the hall to the left. the door with the swastica on it. can’t miss it.
July 16th, 2007 at 1:07 amFurther proving there’s only one demographic Bush is tailoring for. Hell, even Bill O’Reilly jumped all over Tony Snow about how not only do the majority of Americans not want this war anymore the majority of Iraq’s don’t want this war.
We sat back and gave you 4+ years to produce something, and now you’ve only made the enemy stronger. You’re obviously doing it wrong and you’ve continued to do this wrong. Is it really worth the hatred of the rest of the world to continue a war no one wants? This is exactly what happened with Vietnam, if you can’t see it then you’re just too damn blind.
July 16th, 2007 at 1:13 amBush knew.
All you had to do was look at his face as Andrew Card leaned over and whispered in his ear. The look was worth a thousand words. Then to see him pick up that book “My Pet Goat” and continue to read as minutes ticked by. Then to have him continue with his press conference from that grade school – a phot op that had been well publicized -and then stay at the school for almost an hour. Then, to get on Air Force One and be in the air for about one entire hour before he had any military escort. What was all that about? There was supposedly multiple hijacked planes in the air and the US was supposedly under attack. Don’t you think the President of the US would be a high value target? His photo op at this school had been well publicized. Wouldn’t his staying at the school make the school a prime target? Wouldn’t his plane in the sky been a prime target?
This was written at a press conference in December 2001 by The Guardian:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/bush/story/0,7369,612355,00.html
“Mr Bush got the news outside a school classroom before going in to talk to the kids about a reading programme. He went in as planned but then Andrew Card, his chief of staff, came in and whispered the news of the second plane hitting the twin towers.
He said yesterday: “I saw an airplane hit the tower – the TV was obviously on – and I used to fly myself, and I said, ‘There’s one terrible pilot.’ And I said, ‘It must have been a horrible accident.’”
Of the second strike, Mr Bush told the youngster: “I wasn’t sure what to think at first. You know, I grew up in a period of time where the idea of America being under attack never entered my mind – just like your daddy and mother’s mind probably. And I started thinking hard in that very brief period of time about what it meant to be under attack. I knew that when I got all the facts, there would be hell to pay for attacking America.”
The story that he was watching TV contradicts reports from correspondents at the time that he got the news in a phone call from his national security adviser, Condoleezza Rice. It also adds further puzzles: why he was being made to wait; why he did not at least delay his entry into the classroom; and why is it obvious that an elementary school would have a TV set in the corridor?”
Now, how did he see the first plane hit from a tv at the school (which there was none) when there was no live footage on any news broadcasting stations of the frst plane hitting?? Where was he watching it from? Why would he feel compelled to lie about seeing it if he hadn’t? And after it hit, why did he go into the classroom and continue with the photo op. Why when Andy Card came up and whispered in his ear and it because clear the US was under attack, why didn’t the Secret Service do their job and whisk him out of there? Why did he sit there for 7 minutes reading a children’s book? Was it because he knew what was happening, knew the extent of what was to happen, and was possibly stalling in order to give the operation time to be completed? Plausible deniability anyone?
This is just one of HUNDREDS of discrepencies, massive coincidences, and VALID questions and concerns that have yet to be addressed and answered adequately. These are all things DISCOVERED, not made up.
This country deserves answers, no matter how difficult. The families who lost loved ones DESERVE answers. The families of soldiers who have died protecting this country from the enemy who ‘attacked us on 9/11′ deserve answers.
July 16th, 2007 at 1:14 am“What a power trip Kristol is on, with the full weight of AIPAC and Mossad behind him.”
Comment by ace — July 16, 2007 @ 1:07 am
Ah, you read his editorial, too, huh? He sickens me. He believes that he is “in with the IN crowd”, part of a very select, very powerful, and very ambitious little clique. What he doesn’t realize is that they are so very, very amoral. He probably believes that the loathing we aim at him is jealousy.
As bad as reading his arrogant words was, it was even worse that I could hear that nasal, condescending voice in my head.
July 16th, 2007 at 1:23 amJG:
Bush stated not just once, but on two separate occasions, that he SAW the first plane strike the first tower. The ONLY way this could occur was on closed circuit, in his limo, enroute to the school – via cameras that were poised on the tower for Bush’s viewing pleasure.
Bush DID see the first plane strike the tower, and said so – twice.
The story he made up about a TV in the corridor at the school is irrelevant, as there was no reason for news cameras to be focused on the twin towers prior to the strike, and there was no footage of the first strike publicly available for broadcast until Bush was out of Florida
July 16th, 2007 at 1:24 am“ah, phycotic ranting is down the hall to the left. the door with the swastica on it. can’t miss it.”
Comment by willyloman — July 16, 2007 @ 1:07 am
“I came here for an argument!” “Oh, sorry, this is abuse.”
July 16th, 2007 at 1:24 amIsrael is in violation of over 65 UN resolutions. When do we attack?
Comment by Chris L — July 16, 2007 @ 12:09 am
Israel is in violation of the majority of resolutions, followed immediately by Turkey. But, don’t try to confuse the poor things with facts. They have a hard enough time keeping up with the reality they are creating, much less the one they actually live in. Poor dears.
We were attacked by primarily Saudis and Egyptians trained by Saudis in a major terror attack. The last time we were attacked by foreign terrorists on American soil was in 1992, nine years earlier. The President then in charge (newly elected Bill Clinton) used police action, found the men responsible, caught, arrested, tried and imprisoned all that still lived. Oh, hey, have we hit nine years since 9/11 yet?
This time, following the group we now know as Al Qaeda into Afghanistan, we use the military to round up the terrorists rather than police resources and detective work. We successfully go after a huge chunk of the cells of terrorists, our military men and women doing us proud, cornering the leader of the group we’ve been told was responsible. But, at the last moment, the administration cuts a deal with the local warlords, the opposition leader escapes, and we get a bunch of prisoners from those warlords. Prisoners who play a more ominous role later.
We then discover why we stopped the final push in Afghanistan; we are going after Saddam Hussein in Iraq. Then the Iraq debacle occurs, has been occurring, and obviously shall continue to occur for the time being. Many of us have been following that for quite some time, eh?
So, suddenly (yeah, right) the U.S. of A. is balls-deep in the Middle East. The entire region is rife with various warring factions of varying sizes, varying timeframes of enmity between said factions, and varying degrees of raw hatred (from incredibly religious and fanatical hatred, to cold economically-sanctioned detachment). We’re supporting the State with the single worst record of obeying U.N. resolutions, spitting all over international law. They are also the only nuclear power on the planet, now admitted nuclear power mind you, that answers to no one else. We attack one of the greatest forces of stability in the region, Iraq. When the rest of the region responds, with the largest percentage of the support by far coming from Saudi Arabia, one of our “allies” (economically, at least), we begin to rattle our sabers at one of the more progressive cultures in the region, Iran. A country that offers minimal support to the Iraq insurgency, and for the least destructive of the two major local factions to boot.
What in the HELL picture can you war-supporters possibly see in that image that offers anything good for the U.S.?
We are in Iraq and Afghanistan. Right between them is Iran, right in the middle of the region.
To the south of Iraq is Saudi Arabia, who is funding and supplying the majority of the insurgents killing our men and women, and the Iraqi citizens. We refuse to even consider the possibility of going after Saudi Arabia, because we are addicted to petrochemicals.
To the west of Iraq is Israel and Syria. Israel is our ally, who we support regardless of human rights violations, U.N. resolution violations, or even attacks on our own vessels in false flag operations. In other words, anyone who attacks them, attacks us. Syria, on the other hand, is an ally of Iran.
To the north of Iraq is Turkey, the second most grievous country in terms of ignoring the U.N. and their resolutions, and the disdain for international law that brings. They have many times in the past attempted to invade parts of northern Iraq to kill Kurds. They want their pound of flesh from the corpse of Iraq as well.
To the east of Afghanistan is Pakistan, one of the worst war profiteers, selling nuclear weapons tech and chemical and other military technology to whoever want to buy. They are a nuclear power, they are known to harbor terrorists, and it is one of the most lawless areas of the world. Beyond them, is India and China, two countries with, perhaps, the greatest vested interest in petrochemical energy.
To the north of Afghanistan is Russia, for all intents and purposes. Russia is still quite a power, and very much a nuclear power. They are sometimes our allies, but that wasn’t always the case. They have a massive vested interest in the regions petrochemicals.
Between Iraq and Afghanistan is Iran. What happens when the U.S attacks Iran, making a surefire move that threatens petrochemical production in the region? We now have major enemies on all sides, some of our allies very angry with us (especially if it drives the price of petrochemicals up, up, up). We are suddenly supposed to protect not only our soldiers on the ground, our pilots in the air, and our sailors at sea, but also the citizens of Iraq, the country of Israel, and perhaps the citizens of Afghanistan (for posterity’s sake, with this crew). All the while, we cannot attack the country doing massive damage through puppets (Saudi Arabia), can’t touch the Russian or Chinese puppets without pissing off major world powers (one of whom owns our country’s future in the form of economic debt), and really, really can’t use nuclear weapons without inciting a full-blown Great War.
So, what, are we going to bomb the crap out of Iran and then?
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…
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Well?
Then what?
What do we do about the rest of the world, staring at us in ghastly, fiery-eyed anger, before they plunge themselves into the region and crush our forces?
You know we can’t take on the rest of the world, right?
You aren’t really that delusional, right?
Right?
Traitors. Damn you all to the depths of your own, private, personal hell for all of eternity. You are not patriotic. You are not good people. You are evil, selfish, arrogant, thoughtless, emotionless, sociopathic, self-destructive, hate-filled, vile, putrescent, disgusting, repulsive, reprehensible, bigoted, racist, venom-drinking, snake-oil selling, debased beings, who are no longer human. You define all that is foul in the human condition, all that humanity has striven to break free from, all that the great minds and thinkers whose ideas you corrupt (such as Yeshua, also known as Jesus, the Christ, Messiah to those of the Christian faith).
All the while, you hold up our brave men and women, who fight for ALL OF US, who are supposed to fight for what is right for AMERICA, not what is right for POCKETBOOKS of the HAVE-MORES. But you hold them up as props, not as the PEOPLE that they are. You do men like Chris L. and our other patriots who’ve fought for us all a grave disservice, sir. A grave disservice indeed.
Ashame! ASHAME! TRAITORS!
July 16th, 2007 at 1:25 amgot censorship?
on whose behalf?
July 16th, 2007 at 1:26 am[From the article]
… I understand they’ve been getting reassurance from the White House: “No, the policy is not changing.â€
. . .
The White House called back, said: “Why are you giving us such a hit; we’re staying with the surge.â€
Wheeeee! Best news I’ve heard all week! The way I figure it, if Bush were really sure he was staying with the surge he’d be trying to convince us that he was waiting for the right time to start withdrawing: let’s wait six months, let’s wait till we know if the Iraqis are meeting their benchmarks, let’s wait till September, let’s wait and see what Petraeus says. If he says we’re for sure staying with the surge, someone must already be working on the declare-victory-and-leave speech!
July 16th, 2007 at 1:27 amComment by ace — July 16, 2007 @ 1:26 am
While I was reading your excellent post, I kept expecting it to disappear before my eyes!
July 16th, 2007 at 1:29 amHas anyone in this administration – or any representative of Likud, Israel or AIPAC – been guilty of violating the DC Blackmail Statute?
District of Columbia blackmail statute. D.C. Code § 22-3852 provides that:
a) A person commits the offense of blackmail, if, with intent to obtain property of another or to cause another to do or refrain from doing any act, that person threatens:
1) To accuse any person of a crime;
2) To expose a secret or publicize an asserted fact, whether true or false, tending to subject any person to hatred, contempt, or ridicule; or
3) To impair the reputation of any person, including a deceased person.
BLACKMAIL IS RAMPANT AT THE PRESENT TIME.
July 16th, 2007 at 1:31 am#
Comment by ace — July 16, 2007 @ 1:26 am
While I was reading your excellent post, I kept expecting it to disappear before my eyes!
Comment by Jane E. Schneider — July 16, 2007 @ 1:29 am
Oh, keep looking back there…it will eventually.
The truth is simply not Progressive.
July 16th, 2007 at 1:32 amEXPOSE THIS!
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=53813
Now you can see who these Halliburton-built Concentration camps are being built to accommodate…it’s YOU!
Here’s your new home:
http://www.democracyforums.com/showthread.php?tid=297
Here’s your new GPS coordinates:
Latitude: 41.92 Longitude: -106.521944
“Welcome to Hotel Swift Luck Greens – you can check out anytime you like, but you can never leave.â€
July 16th, 2007 at 1:35 amHere’s a link to the Swift Luck Greens Concentration Camp Photos that works:
http://209.157.64.201/focus/f-bloggers/1607403/posts
and plenty of background to consider:
http://constantpated.blogspot.com/2006/12/illegal-us-government-war-crimes.html
July 16th, 2007 at 1:39 amHey, ace, too many links for me to check into at this late hour! I assume that you have all this at your alternate site, so that I can check it out at a decent hour when I’m less bleary-eyed?
July 16th, 2007 at 1:41 amWHAT STRANGLEHOLD DO THE NEOCONS HAVE ON THE WHITE HOUSE?
Inquiring minds need to know.
July 16th, 2007 at 1:42 amHillary’s for the war in Iraq.
Rudy’s for the war in Iraq.
Therefore, the war in Iraq will continue.
July 16th, 2007 at 1:42 amIn one photo – the facility listed is called “Swift Luck Greens EASTâ€
It contains a coal trolley repair facility and access to a rail line – indicating mining will be conducted. The following chart lists the Hanna Coal Basin “RAG Shoshone 1†facility as having stopped production of 1 million-plus tons of coal per year as of 2001:
http://72.14.209.104/search?q=cache:gNcoT3lrnlsJ:www.wma-minelife.com/coal/coalfrm/coaldat.htm+coal+shoshone+1&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=4
Did the government close the mine in order to convert it to a working prison camp?
http://www.fmshrc.gov/decisions/commission/west199934202042004.html
A rail line directly to a forced labor prison camp in Cheney’s home state of Wyoming?
How interesting…
http://www.multimap.com/map/browse.cgi?client=public&X=-11859000.6865528&Y=5118000.35541027&width=700&height=400&gride=&gridn=&srec=0&coordsys=mercator&db=&addr1=&addr2=&addr3=&pc=&advanced=&local=&localinfosel=&kw=&inmap=&table=&ovtype=&keepicon=&zm=0&out.x=8&out.y=8&scale=25000
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilian_Inmate_Labor_Program
Wikipedia:
Civilian Inmate Labor Program -
The Civilian Inmate Labor Program is a program of the United States Army provided by Army Regulation 210-35[1]. The regulation, first drafted in 1997 and went under a “rapid act revision” in January 2005, provides policy for the creation of labor programs and prison camps on Army installations. The labor would be provided by persons under the supervision of the Federal Bureau of Prisons.
Prison camps
The regulation also sets forth policy for the creation of prison camps on Army installations. These would be used to keep inmates of the labor programs resident on the installations.
In January 2006, Kellogg, Brown and Root reported that they had received a contract from the Department of Homeland Security to expand ICE DRO facilities “in the event of an emergency influx of immigrants into the U.S., or to support the rapid development of new programs.”[3] A February news article comments that the “new programs” mentioned could include the Civilian Inmate Labour Program.[4] ICE has “joint federal facilities” with the Federal Bureau of Prisons.[5]
External links
1. ^ AR 210-35 Civilian Inmate Labor Program (PDF) (2004). Retrieved on 2006-03-09.
http://www.truthout.org/cgi-bin/artman/exec/view.cgi/47/17936
Bush’s Mysterious ‘New Programs’
By Nat Parry
Consortium News
Tuesday 21 February 2006
Not that George W. Bush needs much encouragement, but Sen. Lindsey Graham suggested to Attorney General Alberto Gonzales a new target for the administration’s domestic operations – Fifth Columnists, supposedly disloyal Americans who sympathize and collaborate with the enemy.
“The administration has not only the right, but the duty, in my opinion, to pursue Fifth Column movements,” Graham, R-S.C., told Gonzales during Senate Judiciary Committee hearings on Feb. 6.
“I stand by this President’s ability, inherent to being Commander in Chief, to find out about Fifth Column movements, and I don’t think you need a warrant to do that,” Graham added, volunteering to work with the administration to draft guidelines for how best to neutralize this alleged threat.
“Senator,” a smiling Gonzales responded, “the President already said we’d be happy to listen to your ideas.”
In less paranoid times, Graham’s comments might be viewed by many Americans as a Republican trying to have it both ways – ingratiating himself to an administration of his own party while seeking some credit from Washington centrists for suggesting Congress should have at least a tiny say in how Bush runs the War on Terror.
But recent developments suggest that the Bush administration may already be contemplating what to do with Americans who are deemed insufficiently loyal or who disseminate information that may be considered helpful to the enemy.
Top US officials have cited the need to challenge news that undercuts Bush’s actions as a key front in defeating the terrorists, who are aided by “news informers” in the words of Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld.
Detention Centers
Plus, there was that curious development in January when the Army Corps of Engineers awarded Halliburton subsidiary Kellogg Brown & Root a $385 million contract to construct detention centers somewhere in the United States, to deal with “an emergency influx of immigrants into the US, or to support the rapid development of new programs,” KBR said. [Market Watch, Jan. 26, 2006]
July 16th, 2007 at 1:46 amAce, you have a website?
July 16th, 2007 at 1:46 amJane:
Do a copy/paste of this thread to save the links – not all available elsewhere.
July 16th, 2007 at 1:47 am#
WHAT STRANGLEHOLD DO THE NEOCONS HAVE ON THE WHITE HOUSE?
Inquiring minds need to know.
Comment by JPV — July 16, 2007 @ 1:42 am
The Israeli Zionists and the Christian Zionists were co-conspirators in 9/11.
Each thought the other would never threaten to expose the others role.
The Christian Zionists failed to take into account that the Israeli Zionists ACTUAL GOAL is to foment so much anti-Semitism in the US that American Jews feel compelled to flee the US for Israel.
This is how they are totally controlling the Bush Administration. the Israeli contingent simply doesn’t care if the entire inside job is revealed, as they’ve got a plan to take advantage of it…one step ahead of Cheney.
Checkmate.
July 16th, 2007 at 1:50 amJG:
No.
There is however a place where a lot of important postings were parked by a patriot – just for viewing:
http://plungerspeaks.blogspot.com
July 16th, 2007 at 1:52 amAce – Thanks. I will read it tomorrow.
July 16th, 2007 at 1:54 amOkay, ace, done. As always, thanks for your posts!
JG, there is also a link to that on our blog.
July 16th, 2007 at 2:02 amThanks Jane!
July 16th, 2007 at 2:16 am“Perle, who most recently served as chairman of the Pentagon Defense Policy Board and quietly resigned after the AIPAC case broke, was alleged to have passed on highly classified information to the Israeli embassy when he was a foreign policy aide for Senator Henry M. “Scoop” Jackson in 1970.”
THINK!
McCain is being honored for his service to ISRAEL. He’s being honored for his call to escalate this WAR WITHOUT END in the service of the creation of ERETZ ISRAEL:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_Israel
Now they need to keep the press away from the event and hand the award to McCain IN SECRET.
THE MEN FROM JINSA:
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20020902/vest
Why the coverup Mr. McCain?
Why the coverup?
July 16th, 2007 at 2:19 amIntroducing McCain to a packed ball room of pro-Israel business executives, defense contractors, and Washington insiders, was Sen. Joseph Lieberman, fresh from being re-elected as an independent after losing the Democratic Party primary in Connecticut.
Lieberman’s glowing tribute to his Republican colleague did not go unnoticed. “McCain-Lieberman? There’s something to that,” JINSA board member Morris J. Amitay told the crowd.
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2006/12/6/111221.shtml?s=lh
The plan was for a McCain / Lieberman ticket.
The American people are tired of both men’s fear/war mongering.
Perhaps another 9/1 will bolster their odds of winning the Presidency.
Consult Chertoff’s gut (or Daytimer) for time and place.
July 16th, 2007 at 2:21 amWow, they delete any reference to JINSA right quick, ace. Seriously, under-a-minute quick.
July 16th, 2007 at 2:31 am#
Wow, they delete any reference to JINSA right quick, ace. Seriously, under-a-minute quick.
Comment by Moderation — July 16, 2007 @ 2:31 am
Interesting how the Men Behind the Curtain make themselves known by their actions. Sometimes you just have to draw them out.
When I’m no longer able to post here, you’ll know why, and can inform the truthseekers of the game being played.
July 16th, 2007 at 2:37 amGreat Job a.c.e.!
July 16th, 2007 at 2:52 amInteresting how the Men Behind the Curtain make themselves known by their actions. Sometimes you just have to draw them out.
When I’m no longer able to post here, you’ll know why, and can inform the truthseekers of the game being played.
Comment by ace — July 16, 2007 @ 2:37 am
*sigh* It certainly lends credence to the idea that a person like Mr. P might be here because Think Progress wants him to be here. After all, unlike most everyone else, he and his “friends” seem to be able to post all sorts of vitriolic garbage, ad hominems and blatant lies all the time without being deleted. Why is that? It seems otherwise out of place, allowing one small selection of trolls post pretty much indiscriminately, hmm?
Between the uncontrolled trolls, and the deleting of posts that warrant no deletion, I’m beginning to become disgusted with this place. Or rather, disgusted by the people who run this site. Many of the regular posters certainly seem to be good people.
July 16th, 2007 at 2:59 amThe surge has done “a heckuva job”…
July 16th, 2007 at 3:03 amIn September, when Gen. Betray-us reads his report to Congress, which obviously all will be words fed to him from the Criminal Bush Regime, we need to decide how We the People are going to react. We need to be ready to pounce on this hard, perhaps even taking actions to rid the country of the neocon menace in any way we can imagine. It will be time to finally let go of all the fear, and save the Republic from the scoundrels.
July 16th, 2007 at 3:05 am†Bush received an August 6, 2001 memo entitled “Bin Laden Determined to Strike in U.S.†which mentioned bin Laden’s desire and capability to strike the US possibly using hijacked airplanes.
Comment by Arthur C. — July 15, 2007″
So? What should he have done? Launched a massive air raid against
who(SIC)? Closed down every airport in the US? Sent the Air National Guard into the air flying all over the U.S. looking for hijacked airplanes? Why didn’t Clinton take out UBL when he had him in the cross hairs?
Comment by michael — July 15, 2007 @ 11:28 pm
For one thing, Dunmya could have hired more people fluent in Arabic to translate the hundreds of thousands of hours of baglogged tapes of intercepted calls between terrorist suspects. One of those calls made on Sept. 10 even referred to the terrorists’ “day of glory” to take place on 9/11, but it wasn’t translated until after the traqic event. Despite this, this administration still hasn’t gotten around to training more intelligence agents to be competent in Arabic, Persian, and other languages spoken in the Middle East, Afghanistan and Pakistan. Moreover, it has even been firing some of the interpreters/translators it already had just because they are gay. The Busheviks seem to be more scared of Al Queerda than Al Qaeda.
July 16th, 2007 at 3:11 amSo, I’ll ask you again, why did it take kerry over 5 years to get his Honorable Discharge?
Comment by michael — July 15, 2007 @ 11:49 pm
You have asked this question on several different threads, michael. The reason no one answers it is because it is as irrelevant to the discussion underway as you are in real life. 阿呆ï¼
July 16th, 2007 at 3:16 amthe policy is not changing and BushCo/PNAC is desperately in need of the TERROR SERVICES PROVIDED BY BINLADEN & CO. VALIDATION – ANOTHER TERRORIST ACT WILL DO
July 16th, 2007 at 3:55 amWar against our government. Suicide bombing will be applauded.
July 16th, 2007 at 5:02 am*sigh* It certainly lends credence to the idea that a person like Mr. P might be here because Think Progress wants him to be here. After all, unlike most everyone else, he and his “friends†seem to be able to post all sorts of vitriolic garbage, ad hominems and blatant lies all the time without being deleted. Why is that? …
Comment by Moderation — July 16, 2007 @ 2:59 am
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!!!!CONSPIRACY!!!!!
July 16th, 2007 at 5:45 amIm ready to kill.
July 16th, 2007 at 5:46 amIm ready to kill.
Comment by sarah shrub — July 16, 2007 @ 5:46 am
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You a jihadi?
July 16th, 2007 at 5:47 amI wanna know when we’re gonna see the neoCon “star wars” shit.
You know… Lasers in Space!
July 16th, 2007 at 5:49 amHillary’s for the war in Iraq.
Rudy’s for the war in Iraq.
Therefore, the war in Iraq will continue.
Comment by muckdog — July 16, 2007 @ 1:42 am
July 16th, 2007 at 5:53 am————————————————————–
Yup. Time for the Lefties to face the facts.
> Mr. President: You know… Lasers in Space!
Not in your lifetime. Murricans can barely get a “Laser on a Boeing”.
July 16th, 2007 at 5:59 amHey, “ace”–of all the things the Bush administration is guilty of, building concentration camps in Wyoming isn’t one of them. Those “Swift Luck Greens” pictures are from _The Hidden Gulag: Exposing North Korea’s Prison Camps_ by the U. S. Committee for Human Rights in North Korea (with fake annotations, of course).
Look familiar?
Detail of Northern Haengyong
The rest of the photos are here:
The Hidden Gulag
There are enough real conspiracies out there that we don’t need to be wasting time chasing fake ones.
July 16th, 2007 at 6:51 amWell the biggest pay out in history is taking place and the jackpot is still waiting to be divided among the very very few who were and are the only ones who are “with us”.
It may look like a scary position from here but with that much gold waiting for them and only for taking a little more heat, who cares?
It’s not a popularity contest anymore.
Now they only want to be sure they are part of the “haves” and get the lifetime pass to their little mound of joy near near russian river.
But for sure keep your eyes/ears on the bombing.At this point it seems clear the logic is to secure the whole area by destrying what’s left.That leaves only the greenish area and the loot to guard.
July 16th, 2007 at 6:58 amThe gov has no need to come back from vacation.
There are enough real conspiracies out there that we don’t need to be wasting time chasing fake ones.
Comment by Dr. Wu — July 16, 2007 @ 6:51 am
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No, man. That’s just what “they” want you to think… the concentration camps are HERE, and WE will be the prisoners…
Don’t try to silence the truth!
July 16th, 2007 at 6:59 amIt’s time for Mr. President to STFU.
July 16th, 2007 at 7:01 am…I believe after being reassured that the surge is still on : all the neoCONs had simulanteous wet-dreams.
July 16th, 2007 at 7:08 amWhat’s wrong mparker, too much truth for ya???
Don’t try to silence truth-tellers like me and a.c.e.!!!
July 16th, 2007 at 7:08 amTRUTH !!!!
YOU!!!! MR. PRES.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!
July 16th, 2007 at 7:20 amOnce again, thanks Ace for your backup data supporting your views – something pretty devoid from most of the posts on these threads. Kudos to you! As for the posts disappearing, one can only assume that they are point on and very controversially pertinent or they would’t disappear. I also have to wonder about the integrity of a blog which would do something like this – what is their rationale? Why?
As for your assertions regarding Mr. President on these threads, I wholeheartedly concur that he’s probably an insider whom they purposely allow or create to keep their post numbers up; he certainly seems to be able to post every kind of inane, controversial, and often violent blabber all day long – sometime more than his 8 hour shift which makes the case for him being a TP insider.
In any case, he’s drive me from these threads only to comment on the MO of the blog itself and a few words here and there. As they say, the definition of insanity is: repeating the same thing over and over and expecting a different outcome. I keep returning in the hope that the threads will have some intelligent credibility and the nonsense of the trolls will be over and it isn’t occurring….therefore, it’s “insane” to keep returning and repeating the same mistake.
Later, TP friends!
July 16th, 2007 at 7:36 amAnd it goes without saying that I would never dignify Mr. Pee’s existence by ever engaging in a discussion with him.
July 16th, 2007 at 7:41 amWhere to start, Michael. Where to start??
First: Clinton never had OBL “in his sights”. You watched that Disney movie, didn’t you? Admit it. That is the great problem with fictionalizing history; many people then don’t know fact from fiction and this type of “story” doesn’t really help.
Second: Repubs would never do “that” to our troops?? Remember that Reagan left our Marines in Beirut and refused to permit them to load their weapons. The truck bomber who killed over 100 marines could not be stopped because the Gipper ordered the marines to go unarmed. I am sure Reagan felt that was the right thing to do, just as Bush 41 felt our Army rangers should be in Somalia, without tanks and under foreign leadership, which led to Blackhawk Down. Both Reagan and Bush made serious mistakes in the use and disposition of our boys. Bush 43 has made similar mistakes: his generals told him he needed more troops to start, but the neocons told him no. The Fourth Armored Division was on its way to Turkey to open the northern front, but his diplomats forgot to ask Turkey first. So Turkey turned them away, and Bush alibied and said we didnt really need another division. If we didnt need them, why were they sent?? We lacked troops to secure weapons dumps that we found. So they Iraqis looted them and are using these explosives in their IEDs. Bush 41 made sure he had enough troops to do the job in Kuwait and he succeeded brilliantly. Bush 43 never learned the lesson.
Third: the surge is a failure, so far. Going by reported stories, the number of U.S. dead is up; the number of suicide bombings is down, but the number of individual killings is up, by the number of bodies found every day: 22-30 dead Iraqis found in the streets every day. The number of hours of electricity is down. The political benchmarks are also down: no agreement on minority protections; no oil agreement. The number of Iraqi troops is a mix: some say there are more, but they are not as well trained; some say there are more but they don’t show up. Some Iraqi police have turned coat and were fighting US troops in the streets this week.
It is possible to win a counter-insurgency, but you have to have a stable popular government to cling to and we don’t have that in Iraq.
Toll on Michael, troll on.
July 16th, 2007 at 7:45 amYeah, C’mon man, dozens involved depend on the BILLIONS spent on this war to fund their Hamptons getaway!
July 16th, 2007 at 7:46 amAnd stop making fun of the trolls. They’re extremely depressed.
July 16th, 2007 at 8:16 am“When you have lemons, make lemonade, I say.
Comment by Egreggious”
Well, have a nice time with your lemonade. I suspect that your making lemonade drove a few newcomers away from this site. If I was new here and had read this thread and a few others that were going at the time I would have thought…..maybe I’ll go somewhere else where there are adults who actually discuss the important issues we are facing today.
July 16th, 2007 at 9:08 amThe idiot trolls on this thread continually claim we must stay the course to win. Well, why haven’t you dumba$$es won the war? Why is it more than 4 years later and there is little to no progress??
IF YOU’RE SO DAMN GOOD AT RUNNING A WAR, THEN WHY HAVEN’T YOU ALREADY WON IT? You had unlimited funds and support from Congress for 4 years and accomplished NOTHING.
July 16th, 2007 at 9:33 am“What it comes down to is this: If Petraeus succeeds in Iraq, and a Republican wins in 2008, Bush will be viewed as a successful president.
I like the odds.”
Well, Billy boy at someone is buying (and promoting) the BS.
July 16th, 2007 at 10:18 amThen again was Krystol right on anything????
The surge is working. And it is driving the moonbats even battier!
July 16th, 2007 at 10:25 amgovernment by the psychos; for the psychos
July 16th, 2007 at 10:46 amDon’t try to silence truth-tellers like me and a.c.e.!!!
Comment by Mr. President
Just a quick re-cap of Mr. P’s ‘truth-telling’:
His ‘facts’:
No matter what you say, they will never listen to logic or facts
That is why OBL wants to over throw the Saudi regime, and steal the oil for himself!!!
Those aren’t Muslims, those are Saudis.
His attempts at honest debate:
Why do you want to embolden the enemy?
We have to call our various enemies something, How about “Insane Muslim Killers�
Wow. The hypocrisy, paranoia, and mob mentality here reminds me of the way Hannah Arendt describes Stalinist Russia.
I tried Crooks and Liars, but the FASCISTS over there weren’t ready for a truth-teller, like me.
I said that Islam should either:
a) be seriously modified
or
b) for it to be abolished
May President Bush and Vice President Cheney continue to advance the American agenda throughout the entire world!!!!!!
here a few pointers:
liberal commie pinkos = Leftist Islamo-Stalinists!!!
There’s a country for you… = Your Fascist masters must be proud!!!
Plus, kill Islamo-Marxists!!!
Mr. P,
July 16th, 2007 at 10:46 amYour words speak for themselves.
Well done, Sarge.
July 16th, 2007 at 11:39 amWell done, Sarge.
Comment by Zooey
Zooey,
July 16th, 2007 at 12:03 pmThank you, just callin’ ‘em out the way I see ‘em. =)
Well done, Sarge.
July 16th, 2007 at 12:41 pmWell done, Sarge.
Comment by Mr. President
p!$$ OFF, loser
July 16th, 2007 at 12:47 pmThe surge is working. And it is driving the moonbats even battier!
Comment by Cynicon Implant
It would have been more accurate to write, “This latest surge isn’t working, and the defection of even some GOP senators has been driving the wingnuts even nuttier!”
July 16th, 2007 at 5:43 pm