Bush may make Petraeus his ‘fall guy.’
By on Jul 16th, 2007 at 9:47 am
Bush may make Petraeus his ‘fall guy.’
President Bush has mentioned Gen. David Petraeus “at least 150 times this year in his speeches, interviews and news conferences.” But some in the military worry that “the general is being set up by the Bush administration as a scapegoat if conditions in Iraq fail to improve. ‘The danger is that Petraeus will now be painted as failing to live up to expectations and become the fall guy for the administration,’ one retired four-star officer said.”
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Like some of us couldn't see that coming right from the start. remember when no one wanted the "War Czar" job?
July 16th, 2007 at 9:49 amkind of funny because he was making franks his fall guy the other day in his speech trying to sell his bullshit fear.
July 16th, 2007 at 9:52 amNot to worry. No one who follows Iraq will believe that any failure is Petraeus' fault. We all know that this is going to end in the US leaving Iraq, and perhaps a very public "failure" will mean we leave sooner rather than later. Mr.Bush and Mr. Cheney are responsible for this - we will not be bamboozled.
July 16th, 2007 at 9:54 amI thought that was going to be the war tzar's job? Maybe the war tzar is the fall guy in the war on terror. Geez Bush sure needs a lot of fall guys.
July 16th, 2007 at 9:54 amUnderstandable considering Bush is incapable of taking responsibility for anything.
July 16th, 2007 at 9:54 amboy, those guys are quick! ... very astute observation, sir!
July 16th, 2007 at 9:55 amor, duh...
its sooooo goddamn funny, bush seems to be relying on how historians will write his legacy.... F*CKING LAUGHABLE! It brings my heart great joy knowing the historians have all ready written you off as Americas BIGGEST blunder.
July 16th, 2007 at 9:56 amI find it hard to believe that General Betrayus didn't know that was a possibility when he signed up for the job. He must have felt that the material rewards he would get out of this gig were worth the sacrifice.
July 16th, 2007 at 9:56 amaterrificjob sez:
No one who follows the real situation in Iraq will be fooled, but the people who depend upon the pablum dispensed by FOX "news" will eagerly believe any lie Chimpy asks them to.
July 16th, 2007 at 9:56 amIs there a 'missing person's report' filed on the so-called 'war czar' General Lute? He's the administration's back-up fall guy.
July 16th, 2007 at 9:57 am#8 - General Betrayus - thats awesome!
July 16th, 2007 at 9:57 amSo much to snipe at:
July 16th, 2007 at 10:01 am*) you mean like he made the previous general a fall guy ?
*) But how many times has Shrub said that Petraus is the best man and doing a fine job ?
*) Considering the number of fall guys Shrub has used, when will the blame come back to him. If in a business someone keeps hiring the wrong people, eventually the boss looks bad.
In other breaking news, the Pope may conduct Mass on Sunday.
July 16th, 2007 at 10:01 amPetraeus stepped over less pliable generals and volunteered to gamble the lives of his troops on an extended occupation. Fine with me if he's a fall guy. He asked for it. But he shouldn't be the only one. Everybody deserves justice: me, you, the Iraqis, our military leaders and those who serve under them, and the Bush administration.
July 16th, 2007 at 10:02 am#14
July 16th, 2007 at 10:03 amWell said!
The basic idea of every thing “depends†on "one person’s (mr. Petraeus) opinion" is totally undemocratic.
What happens to people who have seen things happening which is different from his/her (mr. Petraeus) so called "FACT" ?
July 16th, 2007 at 10:06 amBush: "[L]ast fall, if I had been part of this polling, if they had called upstairs and said, do you approve of Iraq I would have been on the 66 percent who said, 'No I don't approve.' That's why I made the decision I made. To get in a position where I would be able to say 'Yes, I approve.'"
Translation:
"I'm not nearly as stupid as my supporters. Back when I was telling the world that things in Iraq were going well, and you folks were helping me by calling anyone who said otherwise a traitor, I knew we were all lying."
(from TPM)
July 16th, 2007 at 10:06 amWe all knew that Bush's newest fall guy would be Petreus. Why do you think no one else was interested in the job? They had to find someone out there with credibility they were willing to forfeit for a paycheck and some PR. Some people are so ignorant that they believe that even negative PR is still PR and would trade their life for a moment of limelight - which, it appears, is precisely what our dear general Petreus has done.
Just like his predecessor-in-patsy, Petreus will soon realize the same fate as Colin Powell.
You have to wonder why any normal human being would volunteer to be a bushwipe patsy in the first place?
July 16th, 2007 at 10:07 amHis new name should be: Patsy-reus and not Patreus!
July 16th, 2007 at 10:08 amThis is what happens when you make a deal or put you career in the hands of the Bush Administration. Never in the history of a$$-kissing has a General risen so fast for doing so little (Betray-us), the speed from which he went from two to four star was right out the movies, and it was funny how all of the sudden he was the expert on the insurgency and replaced and seemed to outrank Gen. Sanchez and the others after they said that they didn't need any more troops.
You reap what you sow.
OFF TOPIC
I truly appreciate all of you who stood up and took umbrage to the insensitive postings of some on this site, and I appreciate even more those who took time out to look at SGT Sherman's page, it means a lot to all of us who are
There is no need to leave TP because of what happened, because we all know that when confronted with the truth there is nowhere to go but negative.
Back to the program.
Come September, the "General" will try to paint this glass half full picture so he can say progress is good here but not so good there, you can already here whats gonna be said listening to Sen. Graham talking about the Anbar Province. I served in Taji, Baghdad, Fallujah, Mosul (Fob Marez), and Tal-Afar, and I'm gonna tell you Tal-Afar is far from being tamed. These hotspots will cool down for a second but they heat up again and everytime they do it's more violent than last time.
So sure the "General" will give his report, some will see it as the TURNING POINT again, and most will see it for what it really is, which is a further involvement in a mission (the Surge) which has really been going on since Oct. 2004 (The first elections) remember that one, of course you don't.
RIP
SGT Stephen R. Sherman
C CO 1-5 IN (STRYKER)
KIA 3 Feb 2005
Mosul, Iraq
And a Happy Birthday to you BIG PERM, we miss you our Brother.
And the POTUS still calls him comma #1462
July 16th, 2007 at 10:09 amIf you stuff a few million in crisp US dollar bills into a secret bank account in Denmark or Switzerland - at the encouragement of the Administration...it must make up for the war crime of lying to the American People in support of Israel's war against the Arab Peoples.
July 16th, 2007 at 10:09 amHey Tripmaster! You are balm for a Monday morning, along with some of the other true patriots like Katie, Republic, and Fan of Man - top of the mornin, to 'ya. At least for now, the vapid, vituperative trolls seem to still be asleep or perhaps they're getting their weekly transfusion of bogus talking points??
July 16th, 2007 at 10:09 amI think FallGuy Patsyreus is the biggest joke of all. Bush knew he had zippo credibility on his own so he searched until he found an easy pushover as the fall guy. You're so right, Fan of Man with their selection of "Be-tray-us" -kinda like their infamous deck of cards and the selection of 911 for the inside hit job - the number which conjures up fear and adrenalin rush because it's the call numbers for "emergency". Sometimes I think the Bush Cabal should be authoring cartoons intstead of attempting to run a government. What a bunch of jokers extraordinaire!
July 16th, 2007 at 10:12 amno shiite sherlock. "I rely on my generals"
noone should want to hear bush say they rely on them.
July 16th, 2007 at 10:12 amYou think the Generals who supported this fiasco were not on the take?
Tommy Franks wife was flying in private US executive jets from Florida to New York every week to shop. You really think she was doing that on a military salary?
What possible motive might Tommy Franks have to rush to Rumsfeld’s defense? Can you say Quid Pro Quo?
http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/02/05/franks.wife/
2/5/2003
Sources have told CNN that Franks, the man who would lead U.S. forces in the event of a military strike on Iraq, faces several allegations -- including one that he allowed his wife, Cathy, to be present during discussions of highly classified material.
The sources also said questions have been raised about whether Franks properly repaid the U.S. government for his wife's travel on military aircraft.
Franks, the head of U.S. Central Command, has been under investigation for weeks by the Pentagon inspector general's office.
"I am aware of the investigation and am cooperating with it," Franks said in a brief written statement. "It would not be appropriate to comment on the investigation until it is complete."
U.S. Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld -- who would decide what, if any, disciplinary action Franks would face if any wrongdoing is found -- has taken the unusual step of expressing support for the general before the investigation was completed.
Why is it that General Tommy Franks is a rich man?
How did he become rich?
Why was it that his wife is flown on private jets every week to shopping sprees?
Where did the money come from?
What service was performed, and rewarded?
Why are US taxpayers footing the bill?
Tommy and Cathy Franks confirmed this week that they have settled on Harbour Island after zeroing in on South Tampa. They were due to close on a home Friday, Cathy Franks said.
Cathy Franks said security on the island clinched the decision.
And they are not alone. The Franks family joins a host of Tampa Bay sports and political celebrities.
The roll call includes Tampa Bay Buccaneers defensive back John Lynch, his teammate Kenyatta Walker, their bosses Bryan and Joel Glazer, former Buc Chidi Ahanotu and current Tampa Bay Lightning hockey player Vinny Lecavalier.
Former Tampa Mayor Dick Greco feeds the ducks at a pond near his home on the island. City Attorney Fred Karl can be seen there, as can the daughter of one of Franks' predecessors, retired Gen. Norman Schwarzkopf.
http://www.sptimes.com/2003/08/03/Tampabay/A_homeland_security_h.sh...
Where did the money come from?
Was it from the money stolen by Rumsfeld and Zakheim?
Payments by Israel perhaps?
July 16th, 2007 at 10:13 amHiya Ace! You are balm to the soul as well! How are you today? Hope that you will keep feeding us good information as you always do. You have enlightened so many americans about the conjobs sitting in the highest offices. Thank you so much! And, yes, if your posts are being deleted, have no fear. I am saving them immediately to file and then sending it to about 350 other people I know. Keep the stuff comin'. It's "truth time" for this country and time for the entire Bush Cabal to be impeached and put behind bars....and, yes, that finally includes the ringleader of them all, Bush 41!
July 16th, 2007 at 10:14 amLike he did with Gen. Tommy Franks .Bush said he asked the general if he had enough troops at the start of the war and of course this general said yes.I say this general because another general said we'd need 500,000 soldiers to do the job right and Bush fired him . I can't believe not one
July 16th, 2007 at 10:15 amMSM person said wait one minute Mr. Bush , thats not true if the current general does' nt say what you want you just replace him with one that does. So Bush is lying about Preatus if that man said we should bring our soldiers home Bubble boy Bush would just replace him . He has every intention of dragging the war out to the end of his term , so someone else will have to decide what to about BUSHS' CLUSTERF#$*.
So that means that David Petraeus will be the eighth general fired for not being able to do what the drunk in the White House wants?
July 16th, 2007 at 10:15 amAce: It's certainly a plausible explanation of where that missing dinero went, isn't it? Thanks for the urls. Sending it out to all of my florida independent thinkers right now! You're a wealth of credible information and a gem to have on these threads. Kudos to you!
July 16th, 2007 at 10:16 amAce: That last St. Pete Times url comes up with nothing. Can you check it out and see if something's amiss with it? I have a lot of Florida friends who are hungry for something like this, including some in the newspaper business.
July 16th, 2007 at 10:18 am#8 to go - The quintessential patsy of them all, Gen. Be-Tray-us!
July 16th, 2007 at 10:19 amWho's ready for YES, ANOTHER TROOP BUILD UP?
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8QDMVAO0&show_article=1
July 16th, 2007 at 10:19 amYou’re a wealth of credible information and a gem to have on these threads. Kudos to you!
Comment by veritas — July 16, 2007 @ 10:16 am
Thanks - but I'm sure I'll be "disappeared" shortly for my efforts.
Too much truth is dangerous...
"As people do better, they start voting like Republicans - unless they have too much education and vote Democratic, which proves there can be too much of a good thing."
Karl Rove.
July 16th, 2007 at 10:19 amAce: That's the fascist platform: Lie incessantly and NEVER allow the masses to know the truth because they simply can't handle it. What a incredible mental $uckjob on the american people. Underestimate their intelligence and ability to know the truth about their leaders and their leaders can do anything they please. What a national scam!
July 16th, 2007 at 10:20 amI hope Bush remembers that he's the "REAL" fall guy, and between now and mid-September there will be approximately 180 more fallen soldiers.
I wish Congress would pass a law that would require Bush to inform the parents of fallen soldiers.
July 16th, 2007 at 10:21 amah come on!! Bush has waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too much character to do such thing!
LOL@BushWorshipersOverCountry.
July 16th, 2007 at 10:23 amHello Tired of Fighting;
Good to see you again. I would like to wish Sgt. Steven Sherman a happy birthday. I will have a drink to his honor later today.
Did your daughter kick your butt in MLB 2007? Be honest, you know she did.
Have you seen Sgt. Sherman's memorial on the web?
at http://www.legacy.com/Soldier/Story.aspx?PersonID=3130083
I hope you don't mind, but your link affected me and I wanted to see his memorial.
July 16th, 2007 at 10:24 amIt occurs to me that the money that was "disappeared" from the Pentagon budget by one Dov Zakheim in the days just prior to 9/11 (over $2 TRILLION) was partially used to buy-off the insurers who would take the hit on 9/11. By covering their losses AND allowing them to raise the rates exponentially in the aftermath of 9/11, the insurance industry profited enormously from 9/11 and all that has followed.
Warren Buffett plays a role in this...big time. GW Bush flew to meet with Buffett at an Air Force base on 9/11. With Buffett that day was a woman who runs one of his companies (Jane Tatlock), who just happened to office in the WTC at the precise point that one of the jets slammed into the building. Got homing device to guide SYSPLAN fly-by wire system mounted under wing of newly converted FUEL TANKER?
Did the stolen DOD money go to reimburse the insurer who paid-off the Silverstein claim? If so, it was YOUR TAX DOLLARS that paid him for this arson.
You couldn't make this up.
When you view any video of the plane striking the second WTC Tower, isn’t it astounding how huge the fireball is that results? How much jet fuel was that…really?
Remember the big Boeing Tanker lease scandal that arose just prior to 9/11?
Dov Zakheim, called for "some catastrophic and catalyzing event - like a new Pearl Harbor" being necessary to foster the frame of mind needed for the American public to support a war in the Middle East that would politically and culturally reshape the region. A respected and established voice in the intelligence community, his views were eagerly accepted, and Dov went from his position at Systems Planning Corporation to become the Comptroller of the Pentagon in May 2001. Perhaps not so coincidentally, it was an SPC subsidiary, TRIDATA CORPORATION, that oversaw the investigation after the terrorist attack on the World Trade Center in 1993.
SPC, according to their official website, specializes in many areas of defense technology production and manufacture, including a system developed by their Radar Physics Group called the Flight Termination System, or FTS. This is a system used to destroy target drones (craft that would be fired on by test aircraft or weaponry) in the event of malfunction or "misses". This highly sophisticated war-game technology allows the control of several 'drones' from a remote location, on varying frequencies, and has a range of several hundred miles. This technology can be used on many different types of aircraft, including large passenger jets.
According to the SPC website, a recent customer at that time was Eglin AFB, located in Florida. Eglin is very near another Air Force base in Florida-MacDill AFB, where Dov Zakheim contracted to send at least 32 Boeing 767 aircraft, as part of the Boeing /Pentagon tanker lease agreement.
The Boeing lease deal involved the replacement of the aging KC-135 tanker fleet with these smaller, more efficient Boeing 767s that were to be leased by Dov Zakheim's group. The planes were to be refitted with refueling equipment, including lines and nozzle assemblies.
http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=2775
Anyone who claims that fuel and fire were the cause of the implosion of the second tower conveniently ignores the fact the WE ALL SAW 90 % of the fuel explode OUTSIDE OF THE BUILDING.
July 16th, 2007 at 10:26 amwhy is this news or even a question? Bush is pathologically incapable of accepting responsibility for anything. His messes will ALWAYS be someone else's fault. He shouldn't even have been elected to the office of "Dog Catcher" in Crawford TX and yet somehow we have the GOP to thank for electing him President. Nice, Nice Legacy. Next.
July 16th, 2007 at 10:27 amDidn't we all know this form the start?
July 16th, 2007 at 10:28 amPetraeus will be the fall guy on the field and the war czar, Lute, will be the political fall guy -- and Bush will give them medals fo freedom before he goes off to cut more brush or whatever the hell he does between bike rides.
Cheney will start the war in Iran.
I don't care if Bush says anyone else is to blame. I hold them all accountable. Rumsfeld, Cheney, Bush, Wolfowitz, Feith, Rove, Powell, Franks, the entire PNAC, all who voted for the conflict in congress and many more.
Adding yet another name to this pile doesn't change what a mess it is.
July 16th, 2007 at 10:31 amMUST SEE VIDEO IF YOU HAVEN'T ALREADY:
Improbable Collapse: The Demolition of our Republic
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4026073566596731782
Loose Change:
July 16th, 2007 at 10:31 amhttp://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7866929448192753501&
#
Ace: That last St. Pete Times url comes up with nothing. Can you check it out and see if something’s amiss with it? I have a lot of Florida friends who are hungry for something like this, including some in the newspaper business.
Comment by veritas — July 16, 2007 @ 10:18 am
Sanitized for your protection.
I assure you that the info I posted was a direct copy/paste. I've looked to see if it's cached anywhere, but to no avail.
Both Tommy Franks and Norman Schwarzkopf are neighbors on the same exclusive island/community in Tampa, and are STILL IN THE EMPLOY of Poppy Bush, planning the next wars on his behalf. Something BIG is going down VERY SOON. Kissinger is in the midst of it as well.
July 16th, 2007 at 10:31 amWell, Ace. Just so happens, I live in Tampa and I design custom interior architecture for homes all around here.
Last one I did, of any real significance, was for Bryon Glazer on Harbor, Island.
And yes, there is a stiff price tag on the island.
As a matter of fact, most of the Island is a gated community for the super rich. But, there are also parts of the Island that are not. In fact, there are condos and apartments, and starter homes.
Didn't Franks write two books?
July 16th, 2007 at 10:31 am#37 - willyloman
Thanks for that link, willy. Very moving....
My regards to Sgt Sherman's family on his birthday.
July 16th, 2007 at 10:33 amIn December 2005 Franks was appointed to the Bank of America board of directors. He also sits on Outback Steakhouse International's board of directors.
Tampa is the home base for Outback Steakhouse. Lots of money. Bank of America? lots of money.
and he only wrote one book. Sorry.
July 16th, 2007 at 10:35 amComment by Zooey
Glad to do it. Good morning.
July 16th, 2007 at 10:36 amAce: Just tried that truthseeker url and it isn't there any longer on the website. Hmmm???
July 16th, 2007 at 10:36 amLOL General Be-Tray-Us is already a Bush stooge and the fall guy for Iraq. He will eventually be scapegoated like Colin Powell.
July 16th, 2007 at 10:37 am#39 Bush is neither a buffoon or incapable of doing his job. He's doing precisely what has been planned by PNAC. He's giving the appearance of "playing the fool" so people will feel sorry for him and give him a buy for being an idiot. Not so. This is an intentional fictionalized characterization he's role playing. This is not to assert that he is the sharpest knife in the drawer, however, by any stretch of the imagination or definition of the word. He's got a mediocre mind but is psychologically compromised by psychiatric illness and is easily manipulated by those around him.
First clue: Investigate "those around him".
July 16th, 2007 at 10:39 amIt is stated that one reason these military leaders like the island (aside from the fact that is is nice) is that it is easy to keep secure.
You know the "war" is being run from here at MacDill air force base.
July 16th, 2007 at 10:40 amSanitized for your protection.
I assure you that the info I posted was a direct copy/paste. I’ve looked to see if it’s cached anywhere, but to no avail.
Comment by ace — July 16, 2007 @ 10:31 am
If you copy & paste the link provided in post #25 and type mtl in the last portion of url the page will appear.
July 16th, 2007 at 10:41 amFan of Man: Yes, that video has been widely circulated along with the theories of scientists. Google the works of "David Ray Griffin" (author of The New Pearl Harbor) if you really want a case of the goosebumps and vomit your breakfast!
July 16th, 2007 at 10:41 amAnd this is a surprise to someone?
July 16th, 2007 at 10:41 amHi Willy! Hi Zooey!
July 16th, 2007 at 10:41 amhey there veritas.
July 16th, 2007 at 10:45 amAnd this is a surprise to someone?
I'm sure this is a surprise to no-one. Unless Petraeus lived under a log, he knew his assignment: to take Bush's rap. Will military leaders ever stop kowtowing to that megalomaniac in the White House?
July 16th, 2007 at 10:46 amI'm sure that when the administration is forced to acknowledge that the surge is a failure, and Bush "reluctantly" expresses a need for new leadership on the ground in Iraq, Condi Rice will claim that "No one could have predicted" that Gen. Petreaus would be used as the scapegoat.
July 16th, 2007 at 10:46 amCorrection to post 52. That last portion of the url should be.shtml.
July 16th, 2007 at 10:48 amThe bushniks seem to have a habit of making generals their fall guys...Colin Powell, Gen. Shinseki, now Petraeus...
But then, what can you expect from a bunch of hoodlums led by a National Guard deserter preznut and a draft dodger vice preznut?
July 16th, 2007 at 10:49 amThese people all cash in when the government checks stop rolling in. And remember, he still gets a retirement pension from the DOD that is much better than the standard of living for most americans.
(being a General and all)
and don't forget his speaking engagement fees. (50 or 60 k a pop?)
July 16th, 2007 at 10:50 amRICE – The enabler of Armageddon:
Secretary of State Rice's response to the disaster in New Orleans was: "The Lord Jesus Christ is going to come on time." She added: "If we just wait." "On time"? How does Rice know the exact time Armageddon starts? “If we just wait� That means in her, that is our, lifetime!
By using NSA intelligence to set an invisible tripwire, the Bush administration is laying the condition for regional conflagration with untold consequences -- from Pakistan to Afghanistan, from Iraq to Israel. Secretly devising a scheme that might thrust Israel into a ring of fire cannot be construed as a blunder. It is a deliberate, calculated and methodical plot.
In order to try to understand the neoconservative road map, senior national security professionals have begun circulating among themselves a 1996 neocon manifesto against the Middle East peace process. Titled "A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm," its half-dozen authors included neoconservatives highly influential with the Bush administration -- Richard Perle, first-term chairman of the Defense Policy Board; Douglas Feith, former undersecretary of defense; and David Wurmser, Cheney's chief Middle East aide.
Richard Haass, the Middle East advisor on the elder Bush's National Security Council and President Bush's first-term State Department policy planning director, and now president of the Council on Foreign Relations, openly scoffed at Bush's Middle East policy in an interview on July 30 in the Washington Post:
"The arrows are all pointing in the wrong direction. The biggest danger in the short run is it just increases frustration and alienation from the United States in the Arab world. Not just the Arab world, but in Europe and around the world. People will get a daily drumbeat of suffering in Lebanon and this will just drive up anti-Americanism to new heights." When asked about the president's optimism, he replied, "An opportunity? Lord, spare me. I don't laugh a lot. That's the funniest thing I've heard in a long time. If this is an opportunity, what's Iraq? A once-in-a-lifetime chance?"
It is a deliberate, calculated and methodical plot.
"A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm"
Meyrav Wurmser was its author.
http://fairuse.100webcustomers.com/fairenough/salon027.html
July 16th, 2007 at 10:51 amTHE ARMAGEDDONISTS ARE RUNNING THE ASYLUM.
GREATER ISRAEL - MORE TERRITORY BEING ACQUIRED DAILY
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/israel/greater-israel-maps.htm
READ AND LEARN:
http://dublin.craigslist.org/pol/192560711.html
So there are two sides to this, yes - it takes two to tango - but the sad truth of the matter is that Arab antipathy to Zionism, in the first place, was nothing more than a reaction – the inevitable Hegelian Antithesis, to the Zionists’ stated agenda of taking the terrain from the “River of Egypt to the Euphrates.†This is revealed in the text of Alfred Lilienthal’s famous interview with King Saud of Saudi Arabia, back in 1954.
http://www.alfredlilienthal.com/greaterisrael.htm
Today, in 2006, it is the in hardliners of the Likud, and ideological factions in Israel, like Bead Artzein,
http://utenti.lycos.it/Delenda_Carthago/israel_010904.html
and the [Rabbi] Kook faction - the “Greater Israel,†tradition within the Orthodox,
http://www.geocities.com/alabasters_archive/gush_underground.html
who support this latest bombing and invasion of Lebanon, which must, given the desperate straits of their situation, represent their final – and last - attempt to achieve a Jewish Empire in the Middle East. This time, it seems, they are about to “go for broke.â€
The hardliners in Israel, to whom Ariel Sharon was a “sell-out,†still speak of Lebanon as the Lebanon – not a sovereign nation, but as a territory to be assimilated, and incorporated into Greater Israel. These folks are energetically supported by an “unholy alliance†with millions of American Christian fundamentalists, who believe that at any given moment now, they will be "Raptured" to heaven without having to die.
“… It is interesting to note that the popular edition of the Scofield Reference Bible was published in 1917 coinciding with the Balfour Declaration and in the words of Lord Cecil, 'the rebirth of a nation’; the youth edition of Scofield with the War of Independence in 1948; and the 'new' edition of Scofield with the occupation of Jerusalem and the West Bank in 1967.â€
http://www.cc-vw.org/articles/history1.html
This is the subtle root of why the “Rapturists†& the “Christian-Zionists,†who have been brainwashed by decades of preaching emanating from this corrupt fountain, justify every dark deed that is done by the Israeli Defense Forces. By all means read the article, “ Why Judeo-Christians Support War.†There is deep information therein:
http://www.serendipity.li/zonism/carlson01.htm
The roots of what is common in the ideologies of the Darbyites and the Likudniks reach back into the past. But 1977 was the year of their “coming out.â€
But Alas, the terrain from the Brook of Egypt ( perhaps the Suez - there is some debate on this point ) to the Euphrates, is already inhabited by the descendants of Abraham – for the most part, Arabs. The hard-liner Likudniks want - and their “Christian Zionist†allies expect, it to be inhabited by the “chosen†descendants, that’s all. And, in concert with the current agenda of the Oil Cartels, they anticipate the whole Middle East to be largely depopulated of its troublesome natives, and be turned, conveniently, into a pumping station for Big Oil, which Israel will then control a cut of. Something in it for you - something in it for us - but a formula for Genocide. To accomplish this, Iran must be drawn out, and baited into a confrontation. Persia, after all, is one of the players in the Gog-Magog War against Israel.( Ezekiel 38 :5 )
After the mess is all over, those Palestinians who survive will be “transferred†to their new “state†beyond the Euphrates, in what is left of what is now Iraq. I kid you not. Such things are on the table at the State Department, and are being seriously advocated and promoted, behind closed doors, no less, by members of the Jewish lobby (AIPAC) in Washington. Such things are well known throughout the Middle East.
http://mideastchristians.virtualactivism.net/newsarticles/bookreviews/bookreview.htm
The Israelis have technology that is exotic, and under-reported. - Lazar-guided “vacuum-bombs,†such as were successfully experimented with, and fired from F-16’s - and which utterly imploded and disintegrated whole apartment buildings in Beirut - during the first invasion of Lebanon by the Israelis, in 1982.
http://www.inminds.co.uk/from-beirut-to-jerusalem.html
Something tells me that Damascus and Amman and Riyadh, and no doubt, Mecca and Medina have already been â€wired for sound†by the Mossad, with Neutron-disintegration bombs, which can turn cities back into the dust of which they are made – And that these devices may, at the “correct†historical moment (the "Sampson Option") be detonated by merely flicking a few switches in that big bunker on the road south of Beth Shemesh, and - Poof – there will go Damascus, turned back into desert sand. But, conveniently, fulfilling the prophesy in Isaiah, 17 : 1, “ Behold, Damascus is taken away from being a city, and it shall be a heap of ruins.â€
http://www.escapeallthesethings.com/damascus-israel-isaiah-nuke.htm
- Which, doubtless, will play BIG in Peoria... After all - these things are known, and believed, religiously, to be God’s Will, by millions of Christians in America, who, like the plebeians of ancient Rome, conditioned and fed on bread and circuses, see the conflict in the Middle East as if it were a big Football match, and will always root for Israel.
-
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1665741/posts
and,
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1664483/posts
...As American Christian fundamentalist pilgrims, and local Jewish Orthodox in Jerusalem, told me back in 1984, over and over again, “ The next items on the prophetic calendar are Isaiah 17 and Ezekiel 38, & 39...â€
This next war will fulfill Prophesy, the dominionist radio preachers in America never tire of hollering. And they are correct on that point, though morally, I believe, they are on shaky ground, both because the power brokers among them, as “God’s little helpers†- and the power elite with whom these cadres are allied - have done their damnedest to bloody well make this next war happen, and also because they, collectively, are already complicit in the blood-guilt that the on-going war in Iraq has engendered, because they fully approve of the Crusade aspect of Bush’s War On (of) Terror, casualties be damned. On this point, check out the book [published in 1983] by the late Grace Halsell, “Prophesy and Politics – Militant Evangelicals On the Road to Armageddon.†And,
http://members.aol.com/gracehalsell/forcinggods.html
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July 16th, 2007 at 10:52 amWHO ARE WE FIGHTING FOR IN IRAQ?
READ THIS CAREFULLY...
Bead Artzein
Bead Artzein
Bead Artzein
On 04 September 2001 a demonstration was held in Jerusalem to support of the Idea of the State Israel from the Nile to the Euphrates. It was organised by the movement Bead Artzein ("For the Homeland"), headed by rabbi and historian Avrom Shmulevic from Hebron. According to Shmulevic, "We shall have no peace as long as the whole territory of the Land of Israel will not return under Jewish control.... A stable peace will come only then, when Israel will return to itself all its historical lands, and will thus control both the Suez and the Ormudz channel.... We must remember that Iraqi oil fields too are located on the Jewish land."
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/israel/greater-israel-maps.htm
In 1994, Daniel Pipes wrote: "No Israeli political party today (not even Meir Kahane's Kach) aspires to Israeli rule over all Eretz Yisrael." That is no longer true. Avrom Shmulevic's "Bead Artzein" aspires precisely to a Nile-to-Euphrates Israel--see for example
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ERETZ ISRAEL:
"We declare openly that the Arabs have no right to settle on even one centimeter of Eretz Israel... Force is all they do or ever will understand. We shall use the ultimate force until the Palestinians come crawling to us on all fours." Rafael Eitan, Chief of Staff of the Israeli Defense Forces - Gad Becker, Yediot Ahronot 13 April 1983, New York Times 14 April 1983.
On 04 September 2001 a demonstration was held in Jerusalem to support of the Idea of the State Israel from the Nile to the Euphrates. It was organised by the movement Bead Artzein ("For the Homeland"), headed by rabbi and historian Avrom Shmulevic from Hebron. According to Shmulevic, "We shall have no peace as long as the whole territory of the Land of Israel will not return under Jewish control.... A stable peace will come only then, when Israel will return to itself all its historical lands, and will thus control both the Suez and the Ormudz channel.... We must remember that Iraqi oil fields too are located on the Jewish land."
What is "Eretz Israel?
THIS is Eretz Israel:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_Israel
"We have to kill all the Palestinians unless they are resigned to live here as slaves." Chairman Heilbrun of the Committee for the Re-election of General Shlomo Lahat, the mayor of Tel Aviv, October 1983.
"We should prepare to go over to the offensive. Our aim is to smash Lebanon, Trans-Jordan, and Syria. The weak point is Lebanon, for the Moslem regime is artificial and easy for us to undermine. We shall establish a Christian state there, and then we will smash the Arab Legion, eliminate Trans-Jordan; Syria will fall to us. We then bomb and move on and take Port Said, Alexandria and Sinai." David Ben-Gurion, May 1948, to the General Staff. From Ben-Gurion, A Biography, by Michael Ben-Zohar, Delacorte, New York 1978.
"It is the duty of Israeli leaders to explain to public opinion, clearly and courageously, a certain number of facts that are forgotten with time. The first of these is that there is no Zionism, colonialization or Jewish State without the eviction of the Arabs and the expropriation of their lands." Yoram Bar Porath, Yediot Aahronot, of 14 July 1972.
"Everybody has to move, run and grab as many hilltops as they can to enlarge the settlements because everything we take now will stay ours... Everything we don't grab will go to them." Ariel Sharon, Israeli Foreign Minister, addressing a meeting of militants from the extreme right-wing Tsomet Party, Agence France Presse, November 15, 1998.
"Every time we do something you tell me America will do this and will do that . . . I want to tell you something very clear: Don't worry about American pressure on Israel. We, the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it." - Israeli Prime Minister, Ariel Sharon, October 3, 2001, to Shimon Peres, as reported on Kol Yisrael radio.
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July 16th, 2007 at 10:56 amJesus. So the jews are behind Franks' house and the Jews are behind Mr. President?
nice Ace, thanks.
July 16th, 2007 at 10:57 amONE WEEK PRIOR TO 9/11:
"Bead Artzein" (For the Homeland)
"THE ISRAELI STATE FROM THE NILE TO THE EUPHRATES"
Demonstration in Jerusalem September 4, 2001
B. Rosenfeld
From the newspaper " Novosty nedely », 06/09/2001
On Tuesday, September 4 at 17:30 in the square before the Jerusalem town hall was held a demonstration remarkable both its theme and its form.
The demonstration in support of the Idea of the State Israel from the Nile to the Euphrates was organised by the movement “Bead Artzein†(“For the Homelandâ€), headed by rabbi and historian Avrom Shmulevic from Hebron.
“The usual demonstrations by all have bothered, new forms are needed†– said the activists. The bright performance, called by the participants as a "musical-political action", apart from speeches, slogans and distribution of leaflets, included the show of the rock group "Gosplan". On the backstage of the demonstration were casually appended pictures on militarist themes by the Haifa artist, appointed with the “Medals of the City of Haifa for his contribution to artâ€, Igor Cherchenko. The demonstration was concluded by a symbolical act – from a date-palm (symbol of the Country of Israel), under loud shouts of approval and appropriate music, was hung a puppet of Arafat.
The participants arrived from every corner of Israel: from Jerusalem, Hebron, Tel Aviv, Haifa and even Kyriat-Shmona – hundreds of people, including the active members of movement – and Arabs from Eastern Jerusalem, dissatisfied with Arafat’s terror.
“The Israeli society lays in a state of deep systemic crisis, its total renewal is necessary, if you like - a revolution. Our movement unites the people, who cannot breath in this suffocating atmosphere, while the souls of those who love our land and our people is open to the New and Strange†- explains Abraham Shmulevic.
“The process of national revival of the Jewish people is irreversible and has its internal logic†- he says. “We shall have no peace as long as the whole territory of the Country of Israel will not return under Jewish control. This might sound too hard, but such is the logic of history. The war on the Holy Land has been already fought for four thousand years and the end cannot be seen. A stable peace will come only then, when Israel will return to itself all its historical lands, and will thus control both the Suez and the Ormudz channel. The state will find at last its geostrategic completeness. We must remember that Iraqi oil fields too are located on the Jewish land. This may seem utopia to many now - but an even greater utopia seemed a hundred years ago the revival of the Jewish state. As Hertzil said: "If you want it, this will not not be a fairy tale" â€.
" A long road begins with one step " – says an ancient proverb. This step to the renaissance of Greater Israel in its biblical borders was made in the centre of Jerusalem.
http://utenti.lycos.it/Delenda_Carthago/israel_010904.html
July 16th, 2007 at 11:00 amGeneral Betrayus as fall guy for bush failures - boy would that be sweet. But alas it doesn't seem as though that is Petraeus' role for he is the easily manipulated military-backstabbing stooge-in-command bush has long been looking for to do as the insane asylum commands all the while hocking the political tune. No, Petraeus is the bush/cheney go-to guy to lend his MILTARY CREDENTIALS to their child-like dangerous lunacy and to bludgeon Congress whenever they get out of line.
July 16th, 2007 at 11:01 am.
ace, it's safe to say that people know that Zionists exist in the world; but I think you have to be paranoid to think they rule the world.
July 16th, 2007 at 11:05 amThe danger is that Petraeus will now be painted as failing to live up to expectations.
This is the last ditch effort, I believe. If you keep firing Generals bc they don't agree with you, it's gonna start showing to even the most dim-witted supporters.
July 16th, 2007 at 11:08 amHowever, since he is likely to be the 'last ditch effort', he will either succeed (thus the frequent use of his name in speeches and references to his being 'David Petraeus, my good friend' or he will fail in his mission, in which case all of the references become a personal disappointment to Bush, who 'trusted his Generals', and they let him down, they didn't deliver the way they said they would. Then Bush will be on 'our' side, and tell us how 'we' all were let down.
The Ultra-Rightwing Policies of the Israeli government have too much influence here in the US.
AIPAC is pushing hard for a pre-emptive strike in Iran. Just look at the vote the other day.
And look at what they do to any voice that calls into question the legitimacy of their policies toward the West Bank and Gaza. i.e. Jimmy Carter, Noam Chomskey, Howard Zinn.
And yes, the Real Id act is being pushed for Irsaeli companies to implement it (already one like it in Israel). Also, they stand to make money on the "virtual wall" technology protecting our borders.
Far too mush influence in the US. But Saudi Arabia has a great deal of influence as well. And they wanted Saddam out. and out he is. They paid for part of 9/11 and they are reportedly paying for more IED attacks in Iraq than Iran. And yet we are after Iran?
You think "the jews" run Saudi Arabia?
It's greed and power and money, "Ace". Carlos Slim helped get NAFTA signed 14 years ago, and now he is the richest man in the world.
greed power money.
July 16th, 2007 at 11:09 amPetraeus should be the fall guy.
July 16th, 2007 at 11:09 amHis failed vision of embedding troops in local posts is putting them directly in harms way to an extent not seen in modern warfare.
The occupation is a complete failure.
Bush should be shackled to Cheney, and both shackled to Petraeus as they are delivered to the Hague for their war crimes trials.
Oh, yeah, and Hitler's generals let him down too.
July 16th, 2007 at 11:09 amGeneral Betrayus as fall guy for bush failures - boy would that be sweet. But alas it doesn’t seem as though that is Petraeus’ role for he is the easily manipulated military-backstabbing stooge-in-command bush has long been looking for to do as the insane asylum commands all the while hocking the political tune. No, Petraeus is the bush/cheney go-to guy to lend his MILTARY CREDENTIALS to their child-like dangerous lunacy and to bludgeon Congress whenever they get out of line.
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Comment by pluege — July 16, 2007 @ 11:01 am
No argument on any of this, but do you suggest that abject fealty to the Chimperor's agenda would protect Petreaus from being thrown under the bus when things go less-deniably bad?
No frickin' way. Bush demands loyalty but shows none in return when the chips are down. He would have been happy to see Libby take the fall and do his time, except that he couldn't take the chance that Scooter wouldn't suddeny recover his memory. Just about everyone else that has served Bush has been cut loose as soon as their usefulness was wasted. From Colin Powell to Harriet Miers to Heckuva Job Brownie, Bush will squeeze every bit of political advantage out of someone, and then when they're squeezed dry, he'll toss them over the side.
The famed "Bush loyalty" is a myth, simply a function of his stubborness rather than some personal integrity.
July 16th, 2007 at 11:10 amComment by SGT Higgins — July 16, 2007 @ 11:08 am
Excellent analysis, SGT Higgins. Thank you.
July 16th, 2007 at 11:12 amComment by spit take
Another example is Rumsfeld. He didn't break from the story-line and he went under the bus like a chicken on a Mexican highway.
Bush's "loyalty" is to the plan and his "have mores". And that's it.
July 16th, 2007 at 11:13 amIt’s greed and power and money.
True, that; even more cynically, it's also about politics and ego. I firmly believe that Bush invaded Iraq merely to boost his poll numbers. When did the Bush White House ever do anything for reasons that were not purely political?
July 16th, 2007 at 11:13 amWhen did the Bush White House ever do anything for reasons that were not purely political?
Comment by Arthur Cravan
I agree. But, some would suggest that he sticks with the political ends to try and maintain the illusion of national support.
One answer to your question is "The comprehensive immigration reform act".
Clearly not political in the sense that it is popular, and totally against party lines. But he wanted it for his corporate buddies...so he stuck it out.
July 16th, 2007 at 11:16 am"The Palestinians are like crocodiles, the more you give them meat, they want more".... Ehud Barak, Prime Minister of Israel at the time - August 28, 2000. Reported in the Jerusalem Post August 30, 2000
" [The Palestinians are] beasts walking on two legs." Menahim Begin, speech to the Knesset, quoted in Amnon Kapeliouk, "Begin and the Beasts". New Statesman, 25 June 1982.
"The Palestinians" would be crushed like grasshoppers ... heads smashed against the boulders and walls." " Isreali Prime Minister (at the time) in a speech to Jewish settlers New York Times April 1, 1988
"When we have settled the land, all the Arabs will be able to do about it will be to scurry around like drugged cockroaches in a bottle." Raphael Eitan, Chief of Staff of the Israeli Defence Forces, New York Times, 14 April 1983.
Growing up in the midwest in the sixties, two of my classmates were a Syrian and a Lebanese. They didn't know they weren't supposed to get along.
I just called them my best friends.
I didn't know any better.
I still don't.
July 16th, 2007 at 11:19 amSetting up Petraeus as the fall guy shows Bush using his #1 tactic: "Name names and outsource responsibility."
For more details on how Bush manages his failure in Iraq, see:
July 16th, 2007 at 11:21 am"Iraq and the 7 Habits of Highly Defective Presidents."
In 1992 Abrams helped form the Committee for U.S. Interests in the Middle East, which was actually a committee to ensure that U.S. policy was aligned with the Likud party in Israel.
The committee spoke out against what it perceived as a dangerous distancing between the Bush Senior administration and Israel seen in the administration's pressure for Israel to pull out of some occupied territories and halt its campaign to expand settlements in these zones.
Abrams has long voiced his strong support for Likud positions on the Oslo peace process and "land for peace" negotiations
(Editor's Note: Likud position on "Peace" remains "Screw Peace Forever")
Abrams lambasted mainstream Jewish groups for their continued support for peace talks between the Palestinian Authority and for their call to Israel to halt its attacks.
Abrams has also established strong Likudnik positions in articles for Commentary and in various books. Abrams authored the chapter on the Middle East in the 2000 blueprint for U.S. foreign policy by the Project for the New American Century.
Working closely with Feith, Abrams quickly became the leading behind-the-scenes actor in managing the administration's policy toward Israel and the Palestinians.
In the process, he sidelined the Mideast experts in the NSC, CIA, and State Department regarded by the neoconservatives as "Arabists."
Robert Leverett, an Arabic speaking Mideast specialist on loan to the NSC, was forced out after expressing his opinion that the administration should stick by its proposed "road map" for Israeli-Palestinian negotiations rather than yielding to the hardline positions of Prime Minister Sharon, AIPAC, and Abrams.
As Abrams, who argues against Jews dating or attending elementary schools with non-Jews, put it in his book Faith or Fear: How Jews Can Survive in a Christian America: "Outside the land of Israel, there can be no doubt that Jews, faithful to the covenant between God and Abraham, are to stand apart from the nation in which they live. It is the very nature of being Jewish to be apart--except in Israel--from the rest of the population" (Free Press, 1997). Judaism, according to Abrams, demands "apartness"--not in the sense of confining oneself to a physical ghetto, but all necessary measures should be taken to prevent "prolonged and intimate exposure to non-Jewish culture."
http://rightweb.irc-online.org/profile/969
Got racism / elitism?
July 16th, 2007 at 11:22 amAnd lastly, about this Tommy Franks on Harbor Island deal;
"you covet what you see"
These guys hobnob with the elite around here. They party on the Island in houses that look like cathedrals. And yes, I would like to live there, so would you if you saw it. So sure, some retire and use their connections to profit and move out there.
But if a football player can live out there and no-one says he is "conspiring with the jews", why not a man who dedicated his entire life to service to the country?
Yeah, he's cashing in. But after a life of defending his country, why not.
July 16th, 2007 at 11:22 amWilly:
Again you mention "Jews." For what purpose?
As for living a nice life on a military pension, that would be fine.
It would not however begin to describe where all the EXTRA MONEY came from to purchase that home and lifestyle, including his wife's countless shopping sprees aboard Gulfstream jets.
Do you really care about this?
July 16th, 2007 at 11:25 amComment by ace
I am not suggesting that there is not racism involved here.
Believe it or not, alot of people in Israel want peace as well.
Last time we spoke, I posted 8 links to organizations inside Israel that are working for that peace. And I was recently ridiculed by Mr. President here for belonging to "End the Occupation".
Why spend so much time posting quotes from 1983 to prove there is hate out there?
http://www.endtheoccupation.org/
Here, do something about it. Sign up and help out.
July 16th, 2007 at 11:27 amIt would not however begin to describe where all the EXTRA MONEY came from to purchase that home and lifestyle, including his wife’s countless shopping sprees aboard Gulfstream jets.
We discused his :
Speaking engagements
he is on Board of Directors of Bank of America
he is on the Board of Directors of Outback Steakhouse
he has a book that was on the best seller list
July 16th, 2007 at 11:29 amDo you really care about this?
Comment by ace
I care enough to be an active member of End the Occupation.
you?
does copy and paste of hate speech mean you care?
July 16th, 2007 at 11:30 amGood mornin' willyloman.
"...totally against party lines. But he wanted it for his corporate buddies…"
Giving corporations what they want IS the GOP party line. Everything else is political noise. Ironically, the fundie/nativist winguts with whom he allied himself for purposes of winning an election -- the knuckle-dragging wing of the GOP, the same ones Bush keeps throwing under the bus for corporate America -- is ready to eat him alive for it.
Good.
July 16th, 2007 at 11:31 amAce?
Any more questions?
July 16th, 2007 at 11:33 amIf anyone here want to help with the situation in Palestinian territories, please click here;
http://www.endtheoccupation.org/
July 16th, 2007 at 11:39 amCould actually do some good and sign up, and what do I hear back from him?
July 16th, 2007 at 11:41 amWilly:
you accused me of attacking "Jews" and of participating in "hate speech."
both accusations were false.
an apology would be in order.
July 16th, 2007 at 11:43 amWell, duh. Name one person or group that hasn't been thrown overboard when they stopped being useful to BushCo.
July 16th, 2007 at 11:47 amI can read, "ACE". So can everybody else in this room. it is a pre-requisit, after all.
You falsely innsinuate that Israel and her supporters have paid off Gen. Franks and others for their role in this occupation of Iraq.
All you do is paste nasty comments thru-out the thread from Israeli officials in order to bolster your claim that they are behind this war.
Now, when, after you ask me "if I care", I show you I do and have cared so much that I am doing something about it...
You hwave the nerve to play wictom!!!
As if you think these people wont simply scroll up and read your copy and paste messiah posts, of just one hour ago.
Right. You want to scream about the AIPAC and do nothing to help the people involved.
Tell you what; sign up, help out, then copy and paste this crap all you want.
July 16th, 2007 at 11:48 amAnd as for your apology; f-you.
These people here may tollerate your copy and paste diatribes, but in case it hasn't occured to you, Palistineans have the Internet as well, and they might not like having to read all this crap day in and day out.
Sign up, help out and then you earn the right to complain.
Till then; you're just a guy with a right mouse button and a little piece of a very big picture.
July 16th, 2007 at 11:52 amwillyloman,
Thanks for the link to that website. I appreciate it.
July 16th, 2007 at 11:54 amYou are welcome, Zooey. it's a good organization. They do good work.
July 16th, 2007 at 11:55 ami got to go.
and I don't say you participate in hate speech, Ace. But copying and pasting those hatefilled comments by Israeli officials is offensive, because those officials are the ones with the hate.
Not you.
I know that.
i hope you don't misunderstand.
But, wouldn't black people find it offensive if someone kept putting up Michael Richards n-word quotes all the time?
I am not saying you hate anybody.
Just be careful with those quotes. You are right about what they show.
Just, don't need that much of it.
July 16th, 2007 at 11:58 amSpeaking of fall guys...
July 16th, 2007 at 11:58 amWhatever happened to the war czar?
Has he done anything?
I am sorry if I didn't make that clearer to you earlier.
July 16th, 2007 at 11:59 amHas he done anything?
Comment by Art
hid under his desk?
July 16th, 2007 at 11:59 amwillyloman,
July 16th, 2007 at 12:02 pmI dont think Palistinians are reading think progress right now.
I dont think Palistinians are reading think progress right now.
Comment by christians hate america
Most of them are probably hiding under their desks as well.
July 16th, 2007 at 12:03 pmKeep shining that light, ace. Don't let people like willyloman stop you. Don't let those cockroaches hid under his desk.
July 16th, 2007 at 12:07 pmThis is no big surprise. He has a war czar to blame, a Secretary of Defense to blame, a National Security Advisor to blame, but he will blame Petreaus.
He already has. He want sto put this totally on th military.
He says all the time, we will do what the generals on the ground say. So when it fails, he can blame them.
July 16th, 2007 at 12:14 pmBush for city dog catcher. Seriously, would you vote for him?
July 16th, 2007 at 12:14 pmBut copying and pasting those hatefilled comments by Israeli officials is offensive
Comment by willyloman — July 16, 2007 @ 11:58 am
Excuse me? If these guys said it, then it should be brought out in the open. Your statement is offensive to anyone who believes in truth!
And it isn't racist. Israel is a country, not a race.
July 16th, 2007 at 12:19 pm101. Nah. He'd get his kicks euthanizing the puppies.
July 16th, 2007 at 12:27 pm#103 -- Euthanization by firecracker....
July 16th, 2007 at 12:29 pmMost of them are probably hiding under their desks as well.
Comment by willyloman
If they're lucky enough to find a desk to hide under...
July 16th, 2007 at 12:37 pmBush has found his Ulysses S. Grant in Gen. Petraeus.
July 16th, 2007 at 12:57 pmBush has found his Ulysses S. Grant in Gen. Petraeus.
Comment by Mr. President
A cigar smoking drunk?
July 16th, 2007 at 1:04 pm"Bush has found his Ulysses S. Grant in Gen. Petraeus."
He's found his own alcoholic General. Great!
July 16th, 2007 at 1:28 pmspit take (comment 72)
I agree that bush/cheney/rove will grind up Patraeus as soon as it suits their purpose (and I'll laugh like hell at his [cough] misfortune as it will be well deserved when he is thoroughly disgraced like powell). My only point was that for now I think they need him to bludgeon opponents with so I don't see them burning him any time soon - certainly not this fall.
When it suits their purpose they will most assuredly give him the powell treatment, i.e., use and abuse his reputation until its thoroughly disgraced.
July 16th, 2007 at 1:34 pm.
From the moment Gen. Eric Shinseki testified that it would require several hundred thousand ground forces to pacify Iraq, Bush has laid blame upon the military. " I asked each of those commanders if they had what they needed and they all said yes" That set the tone which brings us to this very day.
July 16th, 2007 at 5:02 pmIf petraeus is willing to work alongside the bush administration, he IS to blame for what happens to the troops we have stationed there.
bush's treason, bush's crimes, and the things bush has done and authorized that violate and undermine the Constitution of the U.S. makes him an enemy of the Constitution and the American People.
petraeus is sworn to defend and uphold the Constitution.
If petraeus supports bush, he violates his solemn oath and becomes a traitor.
He can choose to resign from the Armed Forces as did a rather large number of generals.
Finally, he can remain at his post and do his duty, which is to resist the traitors who seized control of our government in 2001.
petraeus has made his bed. Let him sleep in the filth.
July 16th, 2007 at 6:37 pmNot to worry. No one who follows Iraq will believe that any failure is Petraeus’ fault.
Comment by aterrificjo
Are you kidding ?
July 16th, 2007 at 6:53 pmHis name rhymes with Betray Us. What other option is there for you guys ?
If petraeus is willing to work alongside the bush administration, he IS to blame for what happens to the troops we have stationed there.
And by "work alongside" you mean "work beneath" as a subordinate in the most clearly defined chain of command in the world.
And what if he just does the job his commander commands him too ?
Is he still a traitor like every other member of the armed services who doesn't need to support the President in order to follow orders ?
There's a strategy. You could end the war by executing all the troops as traitors. See how that floats chump.
July 16th, 2007 at 7:01 pm