Comments on: Korb: Iraq Study Group Recommendations Are ‘Weak,’ Not A ‘Serious Change Of Policy’ http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/16/korb-isg/ Thu, 26 Nov 2009 08:29:25 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: Eargy Earp http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/16/korb-isg/comment-page-1/#comment-3940380 Eargy Earp Tue, 17 Jul 2007 02:36:01 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/07/16/korb-isg/#comment-3940380 No the recommendations are not weak, they are balanced. Something that neocons can never quite figure out: Overt and covert policy are left and right hands of foreign policy. Diplomacy is not a choice, but a necessity. Otherwise anyone in tune with the CIA can dupe the system (i.e. Chalabi or Curveball). Learn or fail again Bushies. No the recommendations are not weak, they are balanced.

Something that neocons can never quite figure out: Overt and covert policy are left and right hands of foreign policy.

Diplomacy is not a choice, but a necessity. Otherwise anyone in tune with the CIA can dupe the system (i.e. Chalabi or Curveball).

Learn or fail again Bushies.

]]> By: Retrogrouch http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/16/korb-isg/comment-page-1/#comment-3940327 Retrogrouch Tue, 17 Jul 2007 02:11:08 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/07/16/korb-isg/#comment-3940327 Not to split hairs with friends, but the video game button was hyperSPACE, and, yes, chances are it got you fried. Good analogy nonetheless. Are you still not making sense, Mr. P? I thought we fixed that. Not to split hairs with friends, but the video game button was hyperSPACE, and, yes, chances are it got you fried. Good analogy nonetheless.

Are you still not making sense, Mr. P? I thought we fixed that.

]]> By: Samsara http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/16/korb-isg/comment-page-1/#comment-3940297 Samsara Tue, 17 Jul 2007 01:50:27 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/07/16/korb-isg/#comment-3940297 Apply Baker-Hamilton how? Send the President a copy of the report with a note saying "please do this". What a joke. Bush will continue on the course he is presently on, regardless of what anyone says (including Petraeus) until he runs out of soldiers. Republican Senators will have to fend for themselves. Bush is on a mission from god. Apply Baker-Hamilton how? Send the President a copy of the report with a note saying “please do this”. What a joke. Bush will continue on the course he is presently on, regardless of what anyone says (including Petraeus) until he runs out of soldiers. Republican Senators will have to fend for themselves. Bush is on a mission from god.

]]> By: Raven http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/16/korb-isg/comment-page-1/#comment-3940190 Raven Tue, 17 Jul 2007 01:02:10 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/07/16/korb-isg/#comment-3940190 don’t quit your day-job. Comment by Mr. President LOL I'm betting you wish you could. LOL don’t quit your day-job.

Comment by Mr. President

LOL

I’m betting you wish you could.

LOL

]]> By: Mr. President http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/16/korb-isg/comment-page-1/#comment-3940131 Mr. President Tue, 17 Jul 2007 00:23:17 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/07/16/korb-isg/#comment-3940131 Wow. Eugene, that was... um... well... don't quit your day-job. Wow. Eugene, that was… um… well…

don’t quit your day-job.

]]> By: Eugene King http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/16/korb-isg/comment-page-1/#comment-3940073 Eugene King Mon, 16 Jul 2007 23:53:33 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/07/16/korb-isg/#comment-3940073 HOURGLASS Once there were some Neocons who dreamed a grand mirage Democracy in an hourglass is the nightmare they caused Ideology in a bootstep Drawing lines in sand But wait till the wind dies down then just try to find where you stand I never voted for Bush Probably many others as well I knew we were in for a fix Just how bad I sure couldn't tell Nothings wrong with being a patriot So long as it's just not an act As for those who hide behind God I don't think He favors one flag Saddam tried to kill "Dubyuh's" daddy Possessed dubyuh emm dee's as well But who would have thought that Hussein Was in cahoots when the twin towers fell So here's a little something we got you Democracy's one hard gift to wrap What do you mean, "Where's the ribbon?" Damn well better accept it, Iraq Nothings wrong with being a patriot So long as it's just not an act We have the right to question authority Good luck on a straight answer back At fuel pumps I now stand and sigh The numbers quite something to see The price for gas is sure high Just ask a dead soldier's family Iraq's not another Vietnam 'Nam was humid and Iraq's a dry heat Been pretty damn rough though so far Let's hope for a smoother retreat Don't get me wrong, I do love my country Willed to die were the pathway bright But I can't trust this administration To know their left from what's right HOURGLASS

Once there were some Neocons
who dreamed a grand mirage
Democracy in an hourglass
is the nightmare they caused

Ideology in a bootstep
Drawing lines in sand
But wait till the wind dies down
then just try to find where you stand

I never voted for Bush
Probably many others as well
I knew we were in for a fix
Just how bad I sure couldn’t tell

Nothings wrong with being a patriot
So long as it’s just not an act
As for those who hide behind God
I don’t think He favors one flag

Saddam tried to kill “Dubyuh’s” daddy
Possessed dubyuh emm dee’s as well
But who would have thought that Hussein
Was in cahoots when the twin towers fell

So here’s a little something we got you
Democracy’s one hard gift to wrap
What do you mean, “Where’s the ribbon?”
Damn well better accept it, Iraq

Nothings wrong with being a patriot
So long as it’s just not an act
We have the right to question authority
Good luck on a straight answer back

At fuel pumps I now stand and sigh
The numbers quite something to see
The price for gas is sure high
Just ask a dead soldier’s family

Iraq’s not another Vietnam
‘Nam was humid and Iraq’s a dry heat
Been pretty damn rough though so far
Let’s hope for a smoother retreat

Don’t get me wrong, I do love my country
Willed to die were the pathway bright
But I can’t trust this administration
To know their left from what’s right

]]> By: Merlin http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/16/korb-isg/comment-page-1/#comment-3940054 Merlin Mon, 16 Jul 2007 23:38:08 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/07/16/korb-isg/#comment-3940054 The whole idea of leaving troops and support personnel in Iraq just continues the neocon plan of control of the ME. The goal of American Empire is just slowed down. There is no room for compromise on the moral and ethical position involved. That is, we had no right to invade, and have no right to occupy Iraq, in a combat or non combat role. We simply have no right to be there at all. Any "reasons", (really, they are simply justifications) are sneaky disingenuous crap to get what the neocons want, and fool the public about their intent. They make it all sound so moral, ethical, legal and "just," but it is all nothing but garbage. Garbage still stinks no matter how much perfume you put on it. Nation building and democracy creation are one of the biggest bags of sh*t that has been sold to the American public. Actions speak the truth, not phony sounding religious platitudes about good vs evil or the "creation" of "democracy." The whole idea of leaving troops and support personnel in Iraq just continues the neocon plan of control of the ME. The goal of American Empire is just slowed down. There is no room for compromise on the moral and ethical position involved. That is, we had no right to invade, and have no right to occupy Iraq, in a combat or non combat role. We simply have no right to be there at all.

Any “reasons”, (really, they are simply justifications) are sneaky disingenuous crap to get what the neocons want, and fool the public about their intent. They make it all sound so moral, ethical, legal and “just,” but it is all nothing but garbage. Garbage still stinks no matter how much perfume you put on it.

Nation building and democracy creation are one of the biggest bags of sh*t that has been sold to the American public. Actions speak the truth, not phony sounding religious platitudes about good vs evil or the “creation” of “democracy.”

]]> By: Merlin http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/16/korb-isg/comment-page-1/#comment-3940005 Merlin Mon, 16 Jul 2007 23:17:32 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/07/16/korb-isg/#comment-3940005 #32 Comment by Badger — July 16, 2007 @ 6:54 pm <em>We need to state UNEQUIVOCALLY, that we Reject Permanent Military Bases and set a timetable for withdrawal of our troops. That will get Al Qaeda booted out of Iraq by the Iraqi’s.</em> Spot on, Badger. We need to leave COMPLETELY, ASAP! Period. #32 Comment by Badger — July 16, 2007 @ 6:54 pm

We need to state UNEQUIVOCALLY, that we Reject Permanent Military Bases and set a timetable for withdrawal of our troops.
That will get Al Qaeda booted out of Iraq by the Iraqi’s.

Spot on, Badger. We need to leave COMPLETELY, ASAP! Period.

]]> By: Merlin http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/16/korb-isg/comment-page-1/#comment-3939997 Merlin Mon, 16 Jul 2007 23:13:34 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/07/16/korb-isg/#comment-3939997 #26 Comment by Roger_Roger — July 16, 2007 @ 5:43 pm <em>Boy, just a few months ago you retreat monkeys were all gun hoe about the Iraq Study Group. Now your against it when your Dem leaders are thinking of going with it. GO FIGURE!!!!</em> OK trollie, show me all those Progressives on this board who loved the Iraq Study Group's plan. I for one opposed it as totally wrong. Let's see if you have the guts to back up your fantasy accusation with facts. Frankly, I'm convinced you will not, because you have showed yourself to be a coward in the past. Prove me wrong, coward! #26 Comment by Roger_Roger — July 16, 2007 @ 5:43 pm

Boy, just a few months ago you retreat monkeys were all gun hoe about the Iraq Study Group. Now your against it when your Dem leaders are thinking of going with it. GO FIGURE!!!!

OK trollie, show me all those Progressives on this board who loved the Iraq Study Group’s plan. I for one opposed it as totally wrong. Let’s see if you have the guts to back up your fantasy accusation with facts.

Frankly, I’m convinced you will not, because you have showed yourself to be a coward in the past.

Prove me wrong, coward!

]]> By: Badger http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/16/korb-isg/comment-page-1/#comment-3939926 Badger Mon, 16 Jul 2007 22:54:51 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/07/16/korb-isg/#comment-3939926 WC I agree....it feels good because it is Toothless...no one gets bit. We need to state UNEQUIVOCALLY, that we Reject Permanent Military Bases and set a timetable for withdrawal of our troops. That will get Al Qaeda booted out of Iraq by the Iraqi's. WC I agree….it feels good because it is Toothless…no one gets bit.
We need to state UNEQUIVOCALLY, that we Reject Permanent Military Bases and set a timetable for withdrawal of our troops.
That will get Al Qaeda booted out of Iraq by the Iraqi’s.

]]> By: WC http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/16/korb-isg/comment-page-1/#comment-3939896 WC Mon, 16 Jul 2007 22:39:26 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/07/16/korb-isg/#comment-3939896 Badger, I think the A/S amendment is one of those "feel good" pieces of legislation that the Repubs always accuse the Dems of putting forth. They can "feel good" about being "against" the continued occupation without actually digging in. Badger, I think the A/S amendment is one of those “feel good” pieces of legislation that the Repubs always accuse the Dems of putting forth. They can “feel good” about being “against” the continued occupation without actually digging in.

]]> By: WC http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/16/korb-isg/comment-page-1/#comment-3939889 WC Mon, 16 Jul 2007 22:35:14 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/07/16/korb-isg/#comment-3939889 WC I think Korb agrees with you. Comment by Badger — July 16, 2007 @ 6:34 pm --------------- Smart man. Heh! WC I think Korb agrees with you.

Comment by Badger — July 16, 2007 @ 6:34 pm

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Smart man. Heh!

]]> By: WC http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/16/korb-isg/comment-page-1/#comment-3939886 WC Mon, 16 Jul 2007 22:34:23 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/07/16/korb-isg/#comment-3939886 Comment by Roger_Roger — July 16, 2007 @ 5:43 pm -------------- It's "gung ho," dweeb. Need I remind you that Bush refuses to go anywhere if anyone in America says we need to withdraw. "The generals on the ground will determine if we stay or go" he keeps saying. But if the Iraqis ask us to leave? Not even a second thought about staying. Comment by Roger_Roger — July 16, 2007 @ 5:43 pm

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It’s “gung ho,” dweeb.

Need I remind you that Bush refuses to go anywhere if anyone in America says we need to withdraw. “The generals on the ground will determine if we stay or go” he keeps saying.

But if the Iraqis ask us to leave? Not even a second thought about staying.

]]> By: Badger http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/16/korb-isg/comment-page-1/#comment-3939885 Badger Mon, 16 Jul 2007 22:34:09 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/07/16/korb-isg/#comment-3939885 As Korb explains though, the so-called “compromise” offered by Salazar and Alexander is toothless . WC I think Korb agrees with you. As Korb explains though, the so-called “compromise” offered by Salazar and Alexander is toothless .

WC I think Korb agrees with you.

]]> By: WC http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/16/korb-isg/comment-page-1/#comment-3939883 WC Mon, 16 Jul 2007 22:30:00 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/07/16/korb-isg/#comment-3939883 Here's the part of the Alexander/Salazar amendment I wonder about: it says that we'll continue in Iraq as long as the Iraqis meet certain benchmarks. What it doesn't seem to address is what action we'll take if they DO NOT meet the benchmarks. Apparently not a fkn thing. We'll just "stay the course." Here’s the part of the Alexander/Salazar amendment I wonder about: it says that we’ll continue in Iraq as long as the Iraqis meet certain benchmarks. What it doesn’t seem to address is what action we’ll take if they DO NOT meet the benchmarks. Apparently not a fkn thing. We’ll just “stay the course.”

]]> By: The Republic of Stupidity http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/16/korb-isg/comment-page-1/#comment-3939787 The Republic of Stupidity Mon, 16 Jul 2007 21:46:52 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/07/16/korb-isg/#comment-3939787 Boy, just a few months ago you retreat monkeys were all gun hoe about the Iraq Study Group. Now your against it when your Dem leaders are thinking of going with it. GO FIGURE!!!! Comment by Roger_Roger Ummm... perhaps it's because the situation has gotten worse over there? A little hint, Roger_Roger... if you don't want it stuffed up your nose, I'd suggest try addressing the locals as something other than "surrender monkeys". It makes no sense and gives readers of your post the impression you're more interested in being abusive than constructive, A**HOLE. Boy, just a few months ago you retreat monkeys were all gun hoe about the Iraq Study Group. Now your against it when your Dem leaders are thinking of going with it. GO FIGURE!!!!

Comment by Roger_Roger

Ummm… perhaps it’s because the situation has gotten worse over there?

A little hint, Roger_Roger… if you don’t want it stuffed up your nose, I’d suggest try addressing the locals as something other than “surrender monkeys”. It makes no sense and gives readers of your post the impression you’re more interested in being abusive than constructive, A**HOLE.

]]> By: Roger_Roger http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/16/korb-isg/comment-page-1/#comment-3939774 Roger_Roger Mon, 16 Jul 2007 21:43:01 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/07/16/korb-isg/#comment-3939774 Boy, just a few months ago you retreat monkeys were all gun hoe about the Iraq Study Group. Now your against it when your Dem leaders are thinking of going with it. GO FIGURE!!!! Boy, just a few months ago you retreat monkeys were all gun hoe about the Iraq Study Group. Now your against it when your Dem leaders are thinking of going with it. GO FIGURE!!!!

]]> By: RUCerious http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/16/korb-isg/comment-page-1/#comment-3939763 RUCerious Mon, 16 Jul 2007 21:38:28 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/07/16/korb-isg/#comment-3939763 Looks like Korb has the neocon fantasy virus. It takes over the functioning part of the brain and replaces logic with Reichwing talking points. Hard to cure, best mitigation is a complete cerebral re-write. Looks like Korb has the neocon fantasy virus.
It takes over the functioning part of the brain and replaces logic with Reichwing talking points.
Hard to cure, best mitigation is a complete cerebral re-write.

]]> By: Bob http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/16/korb-isg/comment-page-1/#comment-3939760 Bob Mon, 16 Jul 2007 21:37:25 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/07/16/korb-isg/#comment-3939760 It rarely worked. Comment by ForTruth — July 16, 2007 @ 5:23 pm Defender, right, even more apropo. Then I guess Bush has already used it. It rarely worked.
Comment by ForTruth — July 16, 2007 @ 5:23 pm

Defender, right, even more apropo.
Then I guess Bush has already used it.

]]> By: Badger http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/16/korb-isg/comment-page-1/#comment-3939755 Badger Mon, 16 Jul 2007 21:35:18 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/07/16/korb-isg/#comment-3939755 Even if they have Bin Laden in a freezer somewhere, it's too late....the damage is done. By invading Iraq, Bush has allowed insurgents to design and develop weapons that can overcome America's enormous advantage in technology and money$$$....the suicide bomber/IED. A military conflict is like paper..rock..scissors. The insurgents have fought us to a stalemate with asymetric warfare tactics. And NOW they are EXPORTING this deadly technique to Afghanistan....Pakistan...North Africa...Europe.... And our $400billion/year military hasn't figured how to stop it. Even if they have Bin Laden in a freezer somewhere, it’s too late….the damage is done. By invading Iraq, Bush has allowed insurgents to design and develop weapons that can overcome America’s enormous advantage in technology and money$$$….the suicide bomber/IED. A military conflict is like paper..rock..scissors. The insurgents have fought us to a stalemate with asymetric warfare tactics. And NOW they are EXPORTING this deadly technique to Afghanistan….Pakistan…North Africa…Europe…. And our $400billion/year military hasn’t figured how to stop it.

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