Sen. Reed: White House Blocking Petraeus From Pursuing ‘New Direction’ In Iraq
Sen. Reed: White House Blocking Petraeus From Pursuing ‘New Direction’ In Iraq
Gen. David Petraeus, the top U.S. commander in Iraq, has repeatedly said that the United States must wait until September to assess the success of the President’s escalation policy in Iraq. Last month, Petraeus said it was “premature right now” to discuss the way forward in Iraq.
But yesterday on C-SPAN, Sen. Jack Reed (D-RI), who recently returned from a trip to Iraq, suggested that those comments aren’t Petraeus’s real views. Rather, he is shilling for the administration. “I got the impression from Gen. Petraeus that he wasn’t waiting” until September to reassess the Iraq policy. “Now he might be overruled by people in the White House and, you know, wait until September. But he seemed very eager to come forward as quickly as possible with a new direction and policy.” Watch it:
The Bush administration has consistently used Petraeus as a “political prop,” as Rep. John Murtha (D-PA) has noted. Bush has mentioned Petraeus “at least 150 times this year in his speeches, interviews and news conferences.” In May, the White House used Petraeus as a PR flack to promote its war czar.
Today the Washington Post notes that some members of the military are worried that “the general is being set up by the Bush administration as a scapegoat if conditions in Iraq fail to improve. ‘The danger is that Petraeus will now be painted as failing to live up to expectations and become the fall guy for the administration,’ one retired four-star officer said.”
Transcript:
REED: That’s one report I think that bears on this debate. The second, as you point out, is the benchmark reports coming out of Iraq, which shows, on the surface, mixed progress. But when you probe beneath, the real critical issues — very little or no progress at all on the political issues. The legal actions by the Iraqi government to redistribute oil profits, to incorporate more of the Sunni community into the government, no progress at all.
And I was there last week, and the prospect of anything changing over the next several weeks or months, certainly through September, is very bleak indeed. So we’re ready, I think, for a vote on the policy. I don’t think we have to wait.
I got the impression from Gen. Petraeus that he wasn’t waiting. Now he might be overruled by people in the White House and, you know, wait until September. But he seemed very eager to come forward as quickly as possible with a new direction and policy.
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Let’s wait and see what the generals have to say about this.
July 16th, 2007 at 8:03 pmIn the Washington Post today, Dan Froomkin offered readers a preview of the fate that awaits General David Petraeus at the hands of President Bush. Petraeus should prepare for his designated role as Bush’s Iraq fall-guy come September because, as Froomkin noted, “he has a tendency to celebrate his generals when they’re providing him political cover — then stick a knife in their backs when they’re no longer of any use to him.” And as I wrote last December, outsourcing responsibility – and blame – has been President Bush’s m.o. since his ill-fated Iraq invasion in 2003.
For the details, see:
July 16th, 2007 at 8:05 pm“Petraeus and Bush’s Coming Iraq Blame Game.”
Look for the next stooge to be set-up for view in the next 3 weeks or so, they’ll trot out a new darling boy-general to perpetuate the eternal conflict/occupation…
July 16th, 2007 at 8:10 pma bit off topic… heard minutes ago on rachel maddow:
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what a man…
July 16th, 2007 at 8:13 pmoutsourcing responsibility – and blame – has been President Bush’s m.o. since his ill-fated first eight months in office.
Why would a Bush policy need a scapegoat, when they all work so well?
July 16th, 2007 at 8:13 pmMaybe we should wait to hear what Petraeus has to say, instead of caring about this dude’s “impressions”!
July 16th, 2007 at 8:14 pmIt’s time for this White House to be shut down via impeachment proceedings. They’re steamrolling everyone in their path to achieving their agenda, despite the wishes of the people. It’s getting very twisted these days and will probably get worse if they aren’t stopped.
Congress has only one card left in the game: the impeachment card. Failing that, this democracy will be hijacked – no ifs, ands, or buts about it.
July 16th, 2007 at 8:14 pmIraq is in a horrible multi-sectarian civil war, and there will be plenty of more Iraq civilian carnage, which may accelerate temporality as a result of troop redeployment. That is indeed unfortunate, but it is inevitable.
It is unjust to ask our troops to sacrifice and stand between several warring factions. Their presence and the reckless surge will only produce temporary results. The current tactical focus. — the surge, patrol Baghdad, to create political stability– is beyond absurd. This is a fools errand of attempting to create stability for a government that does not function and is controlled by groups that do not really want stability—they want to slaughter and exile their enemies.
The military should immediately focus and foster in a proactive way the inevitable— de facto partition and the end of modern “Iraqâ€. Partition and force regional stability through various alliances, including intense diplomatic engagement with Iran and Turkey.
Bush as Commander and Chief, should have the judgment, wisdom, dignity and sense of duty to do all that he can to get the soldiers out of harms way. Unfortunately, it is more important for him to avoid having to admit a horrible blunder, even at the expense of many more American casualties.
The worst Commander and Chief ever— so indifferent to the lives of his troops.
July 16th, 2007 at 8:14 pmSounds like General Petraeus may need to start hitting the want ads…
July 16th, 2007 at 8:14 pmBesides, this “surge” is on overtime; more of a bad thing simply means more deaths and more destruction and much, much more of a bad thing. Waiting will only result in more criminal deaths of our soldiers. More war crimes for these thugs to be tried for???
July 16th, 2007 at 8:15 pmBush has never accepted responsibilty for anything. Of course the generals, Iran, Iraq, al-Qaeda, the weak dems, the MSM, the American people, Clinton and bugs bunny. As a matter of fact it is everyone’s fault except the decider’s.
July 16th, 2007 at 8:16 pmGeneral Betray-us agreed to be Bush’s new poodle and fall guy so he knows precisely what he’s doing. He agreed to be part of the “deceitful plan” to further scam the people.
July 16th, 2007 at 8:16 pmHmmm…. I think the WH has used up its quota of scape goats many years ago. The buck stops with the President and Vice President, whether they like it or not. History will surely judge them quite harshly, but accurately.
July 16th, 2007 at 8:17 pmFools on the Hill: I have a good url for you regarding the crimes of the Bush Boys over the decades and you’re right – none of 41’s offspring has ever done anything but scam the public and take zero responsibility for doing so.
July 16th, 2007 at 8:17 pmBush will start a war with Iran before admitting mistakes/taking responsibility (perpetrating war crimes) in Iraq. Congress, you’re on notice…
July 16th, 2007 at 8:22 pm” But he seemed very eager to come forward as quickly as possible.”
I’m gonna guess that’s putting it lightly.
July 16th, 2007 at 8:22 pmFANTASTIC, AND ABOUT TIME !
July 16th, 2007 at 8:25 pmSorry, General, but you’re not the deciderer.
July 16th, 2007 at 8:33 pm#
Maybe we should wait to hear what Petraeus has to say, instead of caring about this dude’s “impressionsâ€!
Comment by Mr. President — July 16, 2007 @ 8:14 pm
Okay, but you have to agree to leave TP until Sept.. Deal?
July 16th, 2007 at 8:43 pmComment by Godzilla — July 16, 2007 @ 8:43 pm
Nice.
July 16th, 2007 at 8:47 pmAnd in other news, gunman tries to kill Democratic Gov of Colorado…
And who would be psycho enough to do that??
Could it be one of them GOP’ers?
Nah they love peace, and good will to men.
I think I’ll vomit now.
July 16th, 2007 at 8:49 pmAnd who would be psycho enough to do that??
Could it be one of them GOP’ers?
Comment by Godzilla
The dude walked in and declared
July 16th, 2007 at 8:54 pm“I am the Emperor, and I am taking over…”
(George Bush impersonator?)
I’m fine if he wants to go in a new direction as long as that direction is OUT!
General Betrayus has made his pact with the devil and he isn’t going to come out with anything that Bush doesn’t approve first. He is not that honorable of a man. If he was, he wouldn’t have taken the job in the first place. He would have told Bush “you know George, you can’t keep firing Generals who don’t agree with your strategy. You have to start listening to what your Generals are telling you. That’s what you are telling the American public you are doing “listening to the generals on the ground”, now, let’s really do it, listen.
July 16th, 2007 at 8:55 pmMaybe we should wait to hear what Petraeus has to say, instead of caring about this dude’s “impressionsâ€!
Comment by Mr. President
The General has already said there will be nothing new in his September report.
July 16th, 2007 at 8:55 pmThe General has already said there will be nothing new in his September report.
Comment by Zooey
aside from his resignation.
July 16th, 2007 at 8:59 pmaside from his resignation.
Comment by willyloman
That would be acceptable. :)
July 16th, 2007 at 9:02 pmpursuing a ‘new direction’…like getting the hell out of there!
July 16th, 2007 at 9:03 pmOT, but did anyone hear on Olbermann that the Democrats are considering INHERENT CONTEMPT charges on Harriet Miers?! I don’t know if they’ll do it, but at least they’re talking about it.
July 16th, 2007 at 9:07 pmWhat Gen Petraeus does or say will not change the fact that both Iraqi and American soldiers are dying each day in this war. while I agree that the withdrawal of American troops would do nothing except accelerate the rapid disintegration of Iraq.
July 16th, 2007 at 9:09 pmOT, but did anyone hear on Olbermann that the Democrats are considering INHERENT CONTEMPT charges on Harriet Miers?! I don’t know if they’ll do it, but at least they’re talking about it.
Comment by midwestblue — July 16, 2007 @ 9:07 pm
I heard someone here say that contempt charges were going to be filed this week. But this is not a story that the media covers, so I don’t know if this is true.
July 16th, 2007 at 9:09 pmOT, but did anyone hear on Olbermann that the Democrats are considering INHERENT CONTEMPT charges on Harriet Miers?! I don’t know if they’ll do it, but at least they’re talking about it.
Comment by midwestblue
The problem is they keep “considering” all kinds of stuff. And then they consider some more stuff.
July 16th, 2007 at 9:09 pmBush rejected any blame for the chaos that ensued in Iraq after the March 2003 invasion. So whose fault was it? Bush pointed the finger at Gen. Tommy Franks, the Central Command chief at the time. “My primary question to General Franks was, do you have what it takes to succeed? And do you have what it takes to succeed after you succeed in removing Saddam Hussein? And his answer was, yes,” Bush said.
That’s the same Tommy Franks to whom Bush awarded a Medal of Freedom in 2004.
July 16th, 2007 at 9:10 pmI’m going to consider willy’s last post for a while.
I’ll get back to you on it, promise.
July 16th, 2007 at 9:11 pmWhat Gen Petraeus does or say will not change the fact that both Iraqi and American soldiers are dying each day in this war. while I agree that the withdrawal of American troops would do nothing except accelerate the rapid disintegration of Iraq.
Comment by Will to Power — July 16, 2007 @ 9:09 pm
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I’m glad you aren’t as deluded as some of these Lefties who think that a troop withdrawal would help the Iraqis!
July 16th, 2007 at 9:15 pmI did it again….Mr. President tried to post that we were “fabricating evidence” so I zapped him again.
This could become a habit.
July 16th, 2007 at 9:15 pmHey Mr. P! Wanna read some “fabricated evidence in this thread?
July 16th, 2007 at 9:17 pmYou come back now, ya hear?
July 16th, 2007 at 9:19 pmComment by willyloman — July 16, 2007 @ 9:15 pm
Calling us Fascists for typing!
July 16th, 2007 at 9:19 pmwho did?
July 16th, 2007 at 9:19 pmWhat’s wrong willyloman?
Was the FASCIST remark to close for comfort?
Better silence the truth-teller!!!
Right willy?
July 16th, 2007 at 9:20 pmMr. President thinks that if you expose the truth, that makes you a facist. i’m not sure, but he says he’e going to UT in a year or two.
From that statement, I’d say he’s not quite ready
July 16th, 2007 at 9:21 pmyou are screwed up little boy, aren’t you?
what part of the “truth teller” insulted that Soldier by pretending to be his fallen friend?
What part of the “truth teller” made up “hip-hop” names and went off on a racist rant for an hour?
get out of here, child. you’re sick.
July 16th, 2007 at 9:23 pm#
Vitter is a TRAITOR coxucker PUNK who likes to be butt-plugged and spanked.
Just like TRAITOR coxucker PUNK Bush does with Jeff Gannon…
July 16th, 2007 at 9:23 pmNobody wants you here anymore, coward. Your true self has been exposed. And you make real people sick.
You take on these stupid little names so that you can spout your hate-filled bile and not be held to account.
Well, you got busted, punk. Now get out. You are offensive to real people.
July 16th, 2007 at 9:27 pm#30–Well, Keith Olberman and Johnathon Turley were discussing it. Not contempt charges, but inherent contempt charges. First, they file contempt as a prelude to inherent contempt, as I understand it.
July 16th, 2007 at 9:29 pmI don’t know why you bother with Mr. President, the joker, etc, whatever his Nom-de-plumes of they day may be. It is very clear his only purpose is to insult, and to screw with people. If you ignore him, and the rest of the names he posts under he will shrivel up and die. He needs the attention so bad, that he is always looking to start a fight. My advice ignore him, and the rest of his rants, and he will go away.
July 16th, 2007 at 9:31 pm#30–Well, Keith Olberman and Johnathon Turley were discussing it. Not contempt charges, but inherent contempt charges. First, they file contempt as a prelude to inherent contempt, as I understand it.
Comment by midwestblue — July 16, 2007 @ 9:29 pm
Guess we’ll just have to wait and see.
And wait.
And wait.
SEPTEMBER!!!!!
And wait.
And wait.
July 16th, 2007 at 9:31 pmComment by Krazny — July 16, 2007 @ 9:31 pm
But that is too simple, and it makes too much sense!!!
July 16th, 2007 at 9:32 pmthe withdrawal of American troops would do nothing except accelerate the rapid disintegration of Iraq.
I don’t agree with this assessment. There will still be some violence but I don’t see it getting terrible worse like some do. I mean, our military isn’t the one holding things together over there.
July 16th, 2007 at 9:33 pmWhy does the GOP have such low confidence in Patreas? It’s sad to think that they put him in harms way, but won’t let him say what he’s really thinking. Very unfortunate the GOP isn’t letting the commanders do their job, and win as they deem fit.
July 16th, 2007 at 9:34 pmVery unfortunate the GOP isn’t letting the commanders do their job, and win as they deem fit.
Comment by Anon
Or get out, as they deem fit.
July 16th, 2007 at 9:35 pmMy advice ignore him, and the rest of his rants, and he will go away.
Comment by Krazny — July 16, 2007 @ 9:31 pm
When willy slaps him around for a bit, Pee keeps quiet for a while.
And if he shows his face here while we’re here, we’re going after that b*st*rd!
The other trolls can be ignored, not having played a part in the maligning of a dead Soldier in the very presence of his bereaved friend, also a Soldier.
July 16th, 2007 at 9:36 pmAmerica, indeed, most of the rest of the world is sick and getting sicker. If 9/11 happened in the 1940s or 50s there would have been long lines of young men volunteering to fight. Michael Moore would have been hung for treason, and the rest of us wouldn’t be talking about this dumb crap.
July 16th, 2007 at 9:36 pmAl Queda and their cronies must be laughing. They read the news, and strengthen their resolve every time Kennedy, Murtha, Reid, Pelossi, and others open their mouths.
We’ve had no terrorist attacks since 9/11 because they will not waste their car bombs on us, no, they have something much bigger planned.
Then and only then will America unite and put this petty BS behind us. We actually need to get hit hard for this to happen and happen it will – you can take that to the bank.
Try reading foreign bloggs and news sites – open your mind.
Try google searching these two words “surgery waiting” and see how many problems there are with socialized medicine.
We actually need to get hit hard for this to happen and happen it will – you can take that to the bank…
Comment by Leo — July 16, 2007 @ 9:36 pm
GREAT POST!!!
July 16th, 2007 at 9:39 pm“I don’t know why you bother with Mr. President, the joker, etc, whatever his Nom-de-plumes of they day may be. It is very clear his only purpose is to insult, and to screw with people. If you ignore him, and the rest of the names he posts under he will shrivel up and die. He needs the attention so bad, that he is always looking to start a fight. My advice ignore him, and the rest of his rants, and he will go away.
Comment by Krazny”
Kranzy: Don’t waste your breath. I have been trying to convince people here for a while that feeding the trolls only encourages them. I have finally come to the opinion that feeding the trolls is the sole purpose for many of the posters on this board. They do not want to debate important issues, they want to bait the trolls and play with the trolls. They think it makes them special by being the one to “bring down the troll”. Problem is that it will never happen as long as people keep feeding them.
I am giving this site another couple of days. If the troll feeding continues at the current rate, I will find somewhere else to post. One recent thread had 140 posts when I read it and 71 out of the 140 were either by ONE troll or in response to the ONE troll. The troll won that bout hands down.
July 16th, 2007 at 9:41 pmGREAT GOOGLYMOOGLY!
There, aren’t I as talented as Mr. Pee Pee?
July 16th, 2007 at 9:43 pmClose, Raven, but no cigar.
July 16th, 2007 at 9:44 pmkatie
My father is retired Navy. Career Navy. A soldier came in here, and was saying that this is a messed up situation in Iraq, and he had to go back for his 4th tour of duty in Sept. he then posted a memorial to his fallen friend.
These trolls were there (as I have shown) and they couldn’t stand to hear a soldier talking about the war in a way they didn’t like.
So they disguised their names, and abused him. One by taking the name of his fallen friend.
What I am doing is not “feeding the trolls”.
I was disgusted by the dispay. Many TPers left and said they were not coming back.
You tolerate it if you want to…but not me. and not others here. That was WAY OVER THE F—ING LINE, WHAT THEY DID.
July 16th, 2007 at 9:46 pmMostly Katie my annoyance is that so many respond too the trolls, and the threads are so disrupted by one or two people. I used to post far more, but it just doesn’t seem worth it. Unless you are willing to flame someone or make an outrageous statement, you don’t get noticed.
Anyway God bless Katie, hope your night is going well.
OT: If anyone thought that Petraus was anything but the fall guy for the latest failure in Iraq, then you haven’t been paying attention. Bush at this point can do nothing but attempt to drag out this conflict until the end of his term. It would be in the best interest of the US, and the world to impeach, and return some sanity to our government.
July 16th, 2007 at 9:46 pmSorry, katy, I’m just amazed that he’s still around.
July 16th, 2007 at 9:47 pmMust be a steady source of income for him.
I’ll shut up now…. ;)
America, indeed, most of the rest of the world is sick and getting sicker. If 9/11 happened in the 1940s or 50s there would have been long lines of young men volunteering to fight. Michael Moore would have been hung for treason, and the rest of us wouldn’t be talking about this dumb crap.
But since then we had Vietnam (which Bush and Cheney avoided, Bush going AWOL from the TANG and Cheney with 5 deferments),
and the Americans that DID fight in Vietnam know that our leaders from Johnson to Nixon LIED to them, and that Bush is a WARMONGERING little COXUCKER punk TRAITOR to the USA who needs to be IMPEACHED, TRIED and JAILED for TREASON against the USA,
and that Bush should be the one HUNG FOR BEING A TRAITOR
Al Queda and their cronies must be laughing.
Yup. Most of the Al Queda in Iraq are Saudi Arabian, just like 9/11, and the Bush criminals have a LONG ASSOCIATION with the Bin Ladens and the sultan named by the Bush family: BANDAR BUSH….
Laughing that Americans are such SUCKERS to believe a TRAITOR like George W. Bush…
July 16th, 2007 at 9:47 pmYou tolerate it if you want to…but not me. and not others here. That was WAY OVER THE F—ING LINE, WHAT THEY DID.
Comment by willyloman — July 16, 2007 @ 9:46 pm
That I have to agree with.
July 16th, 2007 at 9:48 pmPart of the Progressive Problem is we are tolerant. We don’t draw a line in the sand.
Well I’m saying they stepped over it. Go read whot they said to that Soldier and then tell me what you think.
July 16th, 2007 at 9:48 pmIf 9/11 happened back in the 40’s or 50’s, the American people would have hung Cheney and his croneys up by the neck. We didn’t tollerate false flag incidences back then. Anbd we don’t take em lightly today.
You neo-cons need to crawl back into the hole you came from. There are citizen groups forming who’s function will be to rid the planet of the neo-con feces that has infesting this planet.
Comment by WW2 Vet
Amen. And TRAITOR Bush, too…
July 16th, 2007 at 9:48 pmComment by willyloman — July 16, 2007 @ 9:46 pm
The Joker’s been banned, you moron. Stop the charade!
July 16th, 2007 at 9:48 pmMany of us do understand, katie. It is a common M.O. for conservatives to berate the troops. They don’t like our brave soldiers speaking up. It just reminds them of the cowardice those conservatives are and they then realize that they could never go over there and fight for the USA.
July 16th, 2007 at 9:49 pmComment by katy — July 16, 2007 @ 9:44 pm
I’m sorry, katy and krazny.
I want to be respectful of you.
Please let me give it some thought.
If I walk away from this, it will not be because I have changed my mind that he is a vile, profoundly un-American creep.
It will only be because of people like you, and because I do not want to disrupt what otherwise is a pleasant and educational discussion of the issues.
It will probably be enough of a reminder to him of his sin to just see the names “Egreggious” and “willyloman” affixed to future posts.
July 16th, 2007 at 9:54 pmThe Joker’s been banned, you moron. Stop the charade!
Comment by Mr. President
theres your proof. you did it and you know it. You’re a sickening punk hiding behind a keyboard.
July 16th, 2007 at 9:55 pmPeople quit this place because of that offensive little coward. What he did was vile. And what? because he just hangs around blaming Joker and Umar and syaing “not me”, it’s just, let it go….
because it’s uncomfortable? Jesus.
July 16th, 2007 at 9:58 pmYou’re a sickening punk hiding behind a keyboard.
Comment by willyloman — July 16, 2007 @ 9:55 pm
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No willy, my Lefty marionette, I haven’t been hiding at all.
I’ve been making you and egregg dance for me!!!
(by the way, this statement is only proof of how simple you are)
See ya later, my puppets!!!
July 16th, 2007 at 10:01 pmGREAT GOOGLYMOOGLY!
There, aren’t I as talented as Mr. Pee Pee?
Comment by Raven
Amazing! Inspired!
July 16th, 2007 at 10:01 pmBetter to demonize trolls that to demonize fallen soldiers.
Comment by Egreggious — July 16, 2007 @ 9:13 pm
Exactly!! You and Salesman need to keep responding to his trollings by repeating his shockingly disrespectful words. No one can take him as anything other than a joke….like calling C&L fascist. LGF or Redstate projection much, Mr. Pee?
Comment by robbez_92107 — July 16, 2007 @ 10:02 pm
July 16th, 2007 at 10:03 pmthank you robbez
I think the deal is, he apologizes to Tired of Fighting, and willy leaves him alone. The ball is in his court.
July 16th, 2007 at 10:06 pmOk time to stop feeding the trolls.
I’m just as guilty of it as anyone. But I will no longer respond to any of the wankers who troll this forum, tempted though I am to give them some desperately-needed education about some issues.
I hope others will join me. The trolls have taken over, and we have allowed them to. Each thread now contains five posts about the topic at hand and 100 about something a troll said five threads ago and how bad it was. This is exactly their strategy, and it seems to be working.
Well, it shall work on me no longer!
July 16th, 2007 at 10:08 pmI think the deal is, he apologizes to Tired of Fighting, and willy leaves him alone. The ball is in his court.
Comment by Egreggious
That will never happen. I promise you that.
July 16th, 2007 at 10:08 pmTired of Fighting has not retreated from this site, even though the trolls attacked him in the most disgusting way possible.
July 16th, 2007 at 10:10 pm“You tolerate it if you want to…but not me. and not others here. That was WAY OVER THE F—ING LINE, WHAT THEY DID.
Comment by willyloman ”
I totally agree with you that what happened was over the line and you made your point…again…and again…and again…and again. How many times are you going to make it before you realize that he really doesn’t care?
July 16th, 2007 at 10:13 pmEgreggious is right. He owes that man an apology. Zooey heard me last night. I was very decent to him. But what is right is right.
Now if you all just want to stop responding to him, ok. I’ll live with that. He can flutter around here, and I wont keep this up. but I ust can’t let it go on as if it’s business as usual. I can’t.
July 16th, 2007 at 10:15 pmto repeat… thank you, katie:
I totally agree with you that what happened was over the line and you made your point…again…and again…and again…and again. How many times are you going to make it before you realize that he really doesn’t care?
i’ll never understand the head into a brick wall thing…
especially from “progressives”…
time to walk the doggy…
oh! and the daily show is back from vacation!!!
thank gawd!
see yas…
July 16th, 2007 at 10:16 pmComment by Katie
I’m not doing it to make him care. I want you to care. Thats why I put all that together.
July 16th, 2007 at 10:16 pmWhat is this new direction, Mr. Reed? A repeat of the Korea pullout of 1949, and the Korea escalation of 1950?
July 16th, 2007 at 10:16 pmLooks like Zooey forgot to take her happy pills…
July 16th, 2007 at 10:17 pmYeah you guys, stop feeding the trolls, Mr. Prez is gonna end up with a repetitive stress injury defending his dumb ass.
July 16th, 2007 at 10:17 pmahhh, m12 is here. The religious bigot who hates anyone who is not Christian. Have you burned any crosses lately, m12?
July 16th, 2007 at 10:18 pmPetraeus is not the commander and chief, regardless of how hard the Snow machine tryes to cast him in that role. The General will march up to the Hill in September and deliver a typically dense military report saying that its bad, but we made some progress, and if you give the surge more time we will make more progress. It will convert no one. Republicans will say see, were making progress, only cowards would stop now and dishonor the sacrifices of our war dead. Democrats will say that there is no military solution, and that the political situation means that any gains are castles made of sand. The report will change nothing. Bush will surge till he runs out of troops and time. End result… dammed if I know.
July 16th, 2007 at 10:19 pmIt’s time for this White House to be shut down via impeachment proceedings. They’re steamrolling everyone in their path to achieving their agenda, despite the wishes of the people. It’s getting very twisted these days and will probably get worse if they aren’t stopped.
Congress has only one card left in the game: the impeachment card. Failing that, this democracy will be hijacked – no ifs, ands, or buts about it.
Comment by veritas — July 16, 2007 @ 8:14 pm
Bush (and Rove) have wanted to create a permanent Republican rule since he took office in 2001. Olbermann said it in his last Special Comment, and USA Today said it when Bush trotted out his plan to privitize social security (briefly, the plan was to show that the Repubs had a better idea for SS while the Dems didn’t, and the public would be so impressed that it’d be decades before they trusted the Dems to have a revolutionary idea). Anyway, if Bush/Cheney are not removed from office, and the vast majority of the public stands by, then they have set many precedents for future Repub administrations. The Bush administration deemed Congress irrelevant long ago; it started with the 109th Congress, who for all intents and purposes allowed him to do so. Should Congress have the votes to impeach and remove him from office, I doubt he’d go. He’s given Congress, especially the 110th, the middle finger so many times that he’d do it again if attempts were made to remove him from the WH. If the Repubs cannot have a perm. majority in all three branches of government, then the WH and perhaps the SC will just have to do. All it’s going to take are a few rigged voting machines and more voter suppression, and again if America doesn’t stand up and do something about it, we are doomed for generations to come. Perhaps the only other chance is if all the revelations of the Bush administration we’ve seen since the Dems took the majority open America’s eyes and gives them a really bad taste for a Repub president, then any election cheating can be overcome by a super majority of voters turning out to vote Dem.
July 16th, 2007 at 10:20 pmm12 has no idea about the history of those two Presidents, nor the capacity for empathy in understanding the emotion of their times…
July 16th, 2007 at 10:20 pmPushing responsibilities and dateline of redeployment is not the solution for the White House. The Bush administration has yet to recognize and admit the war in Iraq is causing more violence, terror and poverty in this world. There are more critical issues that affecting the lives of millions of americans and people world wide that our president is not taking actions against. According to the Borgen Project, it only takes $19 billion dollars annually to eradicate world hunger and poverty. However, our government has already spent more than $450 billion dollars over this fruitless war in Iraq. It is time for the Bush Administration to take a real interest in the lives of the American people as well as people who are in desperate needs around the world. Stop the lies and stop poverty now. Put away the arrogance and put the needs of the people before political gains
July 16th, 2007 at 10:21 pmHey at least Reed working towards a solution that doesn’t involve killing inocents and make our grandkids bankrupt.
July 16th, 2007 at 10:21 pmI suppose it’s a bit much to hope that a$$ will ever display an iota of humanity.
I agree with willy that it’s important that everyone be aware that he is more than just a harmless troll.
I hope anyone that chooses to respond to him will not forget his egregious [see, I do know how to spell it] sin.
July 16th, 2007 at 10:21 pmahhh, m12 is here. The religious bigot who hates anyone who is not Christian. Have you burned any crosses lately, m12?
Why don’t you ask Robert Byrd?
July 16th, 2007 at 10:23 pmWhy don’t you ask Robert Byrd?
Comment by m12
Robert Byrd disavowed his racist past. You are currently a racist bigot. Answer the question.
July 16th, 2007 at 10:25 pmm12,
Why don’t you say your goodbye’s to TP now, because you’ll be banned soon enough.
July 16th, 2007 at 10:26 pmWell, I guess the flow of witty banter is more important than holding this prick accountable.
but I guess that’s what you come here for. Me? I can’t stand to see his name after that. Or you guys joking around with him.
I’ll go somewhere where they kick his kind out in a post or two. With the rest of the TPers who left that day.
July 16th, 2007 at 10:27 pmRobert Byrd disavowed his racist past. You are currently a racist bigot. Answer the question.
Do I get 30 years as well to disavow it?
July 16th, 2007 at 10:28 pmI think I see the problem. It’s that you lefties hang on to the “old” America. The one with the Constitution in it. We live in the new, “faith based” world. We’re an empire now. The Constitution doesn’t matter anymore. We follow what the emperor says. You lefties need to get with the program.
July 16th, 2007 at 10:28 pmDo I get 30 years as well to disavow it?
Comment by m12
I see how it is — you already know you’re no better than Robert Byrd.
July 16th, 2007 at 10:29 pmI find it ironic that some still think things will escalate if we pull out, when the factions in Iraq don’t seem to be waiting for us to pull out.
July 16th, 2007 at 10:29 pmDo I get 30 years as well to disavow it?
Comment by m12 — July 16, 2007 @ 10:28 pm
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Sure!!! And even then, you don’t have to mean it!!!
July 16th, 2007 at 10:29 pmI find it ironic that some still think things will escalate if we pull out, when the factions in Iraq don’t seem to be waiting for us to pull out.
Comment by the Lone Voice of Reason — July 16, 2007 @ 10:29 pm
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I find this statement to be utterly moronic.
July 16th, 2007 at 10:30 pmI see how it is — you already know you’re no better than Robert Byrd.
Robert Byrd apparently was good enough to be a Senator for 40+ years now….I wonder if he has some rope in his desk in case Obama gets in reach of those canes.
July 16th, 2007 at 10:31 pmTroll feeding seems to be a great pastime for many of the posters here. This accomplishes nothing but degrade and divert the potential discussion of the issue. Troll mission accomplished thanks to the troll ENABLERS.
I won’t waste my time, and so I have essentially quit posting here.Now I simply scan through the posts, as it is a waste of time to wade through all the asanine troll/anti-troll commentary. ( I have found that TPMMuckraker posters stay more on topic and thereby have more productive discussions.)
July 16th, 2007 at 10:31 pmm12 listen close. Things are getting worse, not better.
July 16th, 2007 at 10:31 pmRobert Byrd apparently was good enough to be a Senator for 40+ years now….I wonder if he has some rope in his desk in case Obama gets in reach of those canes.
Comment by m12
You forget that this isn’t about Byrd, it’s about YOU. But I see you are what you are, and can’t even pretend otherwise.
July 16th, 2007 at 10:33 pmHey,
Anyone know what the KKK uses as their song; well, I guess -anthem?
July 16th, 2007 at 10:34 pmHowever, our government has already spent more than $450 billion dollars over this fruitless war in Iraq…
Comment by Mstessyrue — July 16, 2007 @ 10:21 pm
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Well, yes. It is fruitless, now. However, we removed an evil Muslim from power and if are smart about it, we can secure Iraq for our economic and strategic interests.
July 16th, 2007 at 10:35 pmc’mon, m12 -
You should know, being a bigoted a$$hole….
July 16th, 2007 at 10:36 pmZooey,
Are you still in Portland?
How much longer?
July 16th, 2007 at 10:36 pmAngryvet, you can’t go anywhere and discuss politics without some ten cent millionare trying to act like a bigshot butting in with uninsightfull commentary.
July 16th, 2007 at 10:38 pmWell, yes. It is fruitless, now. However, we removed an evil Muslim from power and if are smart about it, we can secure Iraq for our economic and strategic interests.
Or we can cut our military budgets and surrender to the Islamic fundamentalists, inviting them to turn our cities into warzones.
Let’s do it!
July 16th, 2007 at 10:38 pmComment by angryvietnamvet — July 16, 2007 @ 10:31 pm
Welcome to our world of the past 2-3 years.
We are still human. We can only take their crap for so long – then we must strike back.
July 16th, 2007 at 10:39 pmOr we can cut our military budgets and surrender to the Islamic fundamentalists, inviting them to turn our cities into warzones.
Comment by m12 — July 16, 2007 @ 10:38 pm
Or the BEE PEOPLE!
July 16th, 2007 at 10:41 pmOr we can cut our military budgets and surrender to the Islamic fundamentalists, inviting them to turn our cities into warzones.
Let’s do it!
Comment by m12 — July 16, 2007 @ 10:38 pm
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Invite them? Hell, let’s escort them as we run away, fleeing from our responsibilities in the Middle East!!!
July 16th, 2007 at 10:41 pmInvite them? Hell, let’s escort them as we run away, fleeing from our responsibilities in the Middle East!!!
Comment by Mr. President —
Sounds good. When do we start?
July 16th, 2007 at 10:43 pmA drunken AWOL coward, a five deferment coward, and a stable full of cowards who have never served think they know more about running a war than the military. These thugs must be executed.
July 16th, 2007 at 10:44 pmOr the BEE PEOPLE! – Comment by Egreggious
So this is what the Left is reduced to?
Sad.
July 16th, 2007 at 10:44 pmZooey,
Are you still in Portland?
How much longer?
Comment by Egreggious
I’m still here! I’m hoping to leave on Wednesday, but it’s not carved in stone yet. :)
July 16th, 2007 at 10:45 pmyep Oklahoma was terrible, and those whacky islamist fitting a 757 through a sixteen foot square hole in the pentagon.
Oh right, planes didn’t actually hit the towers! I bet it was the Cheney optical illusion machine!
July 16th, 2007 at 10:46 pmThe cowardly Bush is running out the clock. The piece of crap is intent on dropping his idiotically lethal policy into the lap of the next President.
July 16th, 2007 at 10:47 pmComment by Zooey — July 16, 2007 @ 10:45 pm
I’m glad you could be here.
I’d love to visit your part of the country someday. People I’ve talked to who have been there have always been impressed.
July 16th, 2007 at 10:47 pmComment by barfly — July 16, 2007 @ 10:43 pm
Immediately!!!
Call Congress, write letters, tell them you don’t want those terrorists to follow us home, you want us to give ‘em a ride!
July 16th, 2007 at 10:48 pmComment by barfly — July 16, 2007 @ 10:43 pm
The next Democrat takes office in Jan. 2009, right? Our cities will be under constant assault from Islam by Jan. 2010.
July 16th, 2007 at 10:48 pmDaryll’s over on the Vitter thread.
This should be fun.
July 16th, 2007 at 10:49 pmand those whacky islamist fitting a 757 through a sixteen foot square hole in the pentagon.
Comment by the Lone Voice of Reason — July 16, 2007 @ 10:42 pm
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I don’t quite follow this comment.
Care to explain???
July 16th, 2007 at 10:49 pmThe right has reduced itself to following a failed presidency that they won’t even admit to voting for in ten years, the same thing happened with Nixon.
July 16th, 2007 at 10:50 pmNo prob, Sales. I think you and Egregg (and Zooey) have responded in the most effective way to discredit these trolls. I think that they actually DO try to make a point every now and again, rather than vandalizing a thread time and time again. Once discredited and shown to be hypocrites (egad, like Dave Vitter, above, or Newt or Mark Foley or any of many others), the trolls change names and continue to try to hijack every thread. That is why exposing Rep. Vitter’s IOIYAR excuse (or Scooter’s commute) is important now and will be in 2008. It will sink in to the 26%ers, as they become 19%ers after we bomb Iran.
July 16th, 2007 at 10:50 pm“Call Congress, write letters, tell them you don’t want those terrorists to follow us home, you want us to give ‘em a ride!”
Comment by Mr. President
And we can sell them weapons, just like St. Ronny! That will do wonders for the defense contractors bottom line…
July 16th, 2007 at 10:51 pmMr. Prez now I know you aren’t interested in facts, if you need to know look it up for yourself, I’m not doing your legwork.
July 16th, 2007 at 10:51 pmSo this is what the Left is reduced to?
Sad.
Comment by Mr. President
Actually it is the right which is being rendered down into its seperate ingredients, and like the hot dog, once you know what the ingredients truly are, you will never consume (or vote) for one again.
P.S.
July 16th, 2007 at 10:51 pmYou are sounding rather more jaded over the course of the last fortnight, Mr. P, are you beginning to stuggle with burnout?
Besides I’m not laughing with you, I’m laughing at you.
July 16th, 2007 at 10:52 pmComment by barfly — July 16, 2007 @ 10:51 pm
We might as well jihad for them too, right?
July 16th, 2007 at 10:53 pm“The next Democrat takes office in Jan. 2009, right? Our cities will be under constant assault from Islam by Jan. 2010.”
Comment by m12
Well, since REAGAN SOLD WEAPONS TO THEM, what’s the big deal about that?
July 16th, 2007 at 10:53 pmWell, since REAGAN SOLD WEAPONS TO THEM, what’s the big deal about that?
If Reagan selling them weapons was so bad, why didn’t Clinton send the troops to get them back?
July 16th, 2007 at 10:53 pmYou are sounding rather more jaded over the course of the last fortnight, Mr. P, are you beginning to stuggle with burnout?
Comment by Raven — July 16, 2007 @ 10:51 pm
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What? With the whole egregg and willyloman being my puppets thing?
They are blaming me for the work of “The Joker” (who incidentally, has already been banned).
July 16th, 2007 at 10:55 pmbarfly, this m12 guy is living in bazarro world, we’ll have our troops home by then protecting our borders, where they can actually stop domestic terrorism. What a cook, he’s as crazy as those religius whackos thinking he can predict the future. Talk about a guy who hates americans, wishing we get attacked as punishment for having a dem in office.
July 16th, 2007 at 10:58 pmForgive them their confusion, Mr. Pee, Mr. President is The Joker in “the reality based world.”
July 16th, 2007 at 10:58 pm“If Reagan selling them weapons was so bad, why didn’t Clinton send the troops to get them back?”
Comment by m12
Because they used them in the Iran/Iraq war. You remember, the war that conservatives used to paint Saddam as a brutal killer – neglecting to mention that they armed him?
July 16th, 2007 at 10:59 pmWayne, (and m12, you’ll probably get a kick out of this too)
I hope you didn’t get that info from “ace.” His hidden American concentration camps theory was debunked last night:
July 16th, 2007 at 10:59 pmhttp://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/15/wh-reassures-necons-were-staying-with-the-surge/#comment-3938384
barfly, this m12 guy is living in bazarro world, we’ll have our troops home by then protecting our borders, where they can actually stop domestic terrorism. What a cook, he’s as crazy as those religius whackos thinking he can predict the future. Talk about a guy who hates americans, wishing we get attacked as punishment for having a dem in office.
Protecting our borders? The Democrats are taking money away from fences and land mines on our southern border and sending money to ethanol farmers and unions!
July 16th, 2007 at 11:00 pmYeah they believe titanium alloy will vaporize, and they call us conspiracy theorist.
July 16th, 2007 at 11:00 pmThe Democrats are taking money away from fences and land mines on our southern border and sending money to ethanol farmers and unions!
Comment by m12 —
So much worse than building highways to nowhere on taxpayers’ dime…
July 16th, 2007 at 11:02 pmI said you aren’t interested in facts, sorry I left out logic too.
July 16th, 2007 at 11:03 pmProtecting our borders? The Democrats are taking money away from fences and land mines on our southern border and sending money to ethanol farmers and unions!
Comment by m12 — July 16, 2007
LOL
July 16th, 2007 at 11:04 pmIf only this poster would proof read his own writings, he could avoid the mouthful of shoe-leather.
Antiwar Ron Paul Rakes in Military Donations?
Quarterly Reports Indicate Paul Raised More From Military Than Other Republicans:
Congressman Ron Paul has defined his Republican presidential candidacy with a staunchly critical stance on the Iraq war, saying during the June 5 debate in New Hampshire, for example, that it was a “mistake to go and a mistake to stay.”
Paul has often reiterated his views that US security has been worsened by its military presence in Iraq, and that Bush’s pre-emptive war doctrine represented one of his administration’s greatest moral failings.
One might think such criticism of the war and the Commander-in-Chief’s leadership would make Paul a pariah to the military community, however, the latest figures indicate the antiwar Republican is receiving more donations from employees of the US military than any other Republican candidate.
The Presidential campaigns just released their quarterly campaign finance reports, leaving much of the mainstream media remarking on Paul’s surge in online donations from his healthy Internet following, though the $2.3 million he raised still has him trailing far behind the front runners.
But a closer look at the reports reveals a less obvious but more remarkable development–the antiwar Republican received nearly 50% of the money donated by employees of the US military.
The site that crunched the numbers on the quarterly reports did not count donations coming from the US Marine Corps, which adds $1600 to the total of $15,825 total they report McCain raised from employees of the Army, Navy, Air Force, and Veterans Administration. That failure slightly alters the conclusions they draw on the totals, since Paul received no money from Marines. Even so, the overall percentages indicate that the underdog candidate, whose overall fund raising cache is dwarfed by the leading pack of candidates, has appealed to segments of the military community.
July 16th, 2007 at 11:04 pmFrom Free On-line Dictionary of Computing (19 Sep 2003)):
2. n. An individual who chronically trolls in sense 1; regularly posts specious arguments, flames or personal attacks to a newsgroup, discussion list, or in email for no other purpose than to annoy someone or disrupt a discussion. Trolls are recognizable by the fact that they have no real interest in learning about the topic at hand – they simply want to utter flame bait. Like the ugly creatures they are named after, they exhibit no redeeming characteristics, and as such, they are recognized as a lower form of life on the net, as in, “Oh, ignore him, he’s just a troll.” Compare kook.
SEE also, for more detailed discussion on trolls:
http://www.tpmcafe.com/blog/troll_patrol/2007/jul/14/troll_patrol_replaces_trolls4jake#comment
July 16th, 2007 at 11:04 pmAh… the conspiracy libs, always good for a laugh!
July 16th, 2007 at 11:04 pmBecause they used them in the Iran/Iraq war. You remember, the war that conservatives used to paint Saddam as a brutal killer – neglecting to mention that they armed him?
All the more reason not to wait until Iran creates a nuclear device.
July 16th, 2007 at 11:06 pmm12 just keep following the status quo, you’ll soon be the life of the party. Tell me, since you believe everything you’re told, do you believe Oswald killed Kennedy too? You’re not keeping up.
July 16th, 2007 at 11:06 pmAngry they don’t annoy me believe me I’m laughing my butt off, I know the type. Big heads and big egos, neither will get them anywhere.
July 16th, 2007 at 11:08 pmAh… the conspiracy libs, always good for a laugh!
Yep. I have never seen a liberal mention where 77 went exactly; betcha they think its parked in the Hawaiian Islands or something.
July 16th, 2007 at 11:09 pmSo, Mr. Voice of Reason, where is Flight 77, if it did not crash into the pentagon?
Comment by m12 —
Someone who didn’t know that his workers’ compensation graph also included health plans for employers might think twice before attacking others’ theories. Or did you forget that boneheaded mistake you made?
July 16th, 2007 at 11:09 pmm12 just keep following the status quo, you’ll soon be the life of the party. Tell me, since you believe everything you’re told, do you believe Oswald killed Kennedy too? You’re not keeping up.
Yep, on orders from Lyndon Johnson.
July 16th, 2007 at 11:10 pmLone Voice…. Thanks for the feedback on my post regarding trolling….I read it as a sarcastic comment on my posting…thanks/
July 16th, 2007 at 11:10 pmSomeone who didn’t know that his workers’ compensation graph also included health plans for employers might think twice before attacking others’ theories. Or did you forget that boneheaded mistake you made?
I didn’t make any mistake of the sort. You just operate under the assertion that the wealthy aren’t people.
July 16th, 2007 at 11:10 pmYep. I have never seen a liberal mention where 77 went exactly; betcha they think its parked in the Hawaiian Islands or something.
Comment by m12
Nope. It’s parked in the same hanger as Saddam’s wmd’s.
July 16th, 2007 at 11:11 pmOT, but Jon Stewart just used my line.
http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/12/a-decision-worthy-of-fox-news/ – comment 4
I want a t-shirt.
July 16th, 2007 at 11:11 pmwhere is Flight 77, if it did not crash into the pentagon?
Comment by m12 — July 16, 2007 @ 11:04 pm
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It was sucked into the super secret magically Vortex!!!
July 16th, 2007 at 11:11 pmNope. It’s parked in the same hanger as Saddam’s wmd’s.
So now you are suggesting that flight 77 never existed?
July 16th, 2007 at 11:12 pmThat’s funny, let’s get our boys killed to keep from getting our boys killed. No matter what, with our big oil needs we still habve to deal over there. We seem to not be following the principle of the fox.
July 16th, 2007 at 11:12 pmIt wasn’t meant to be Angry, I appreciate your research, I’m just saying what I’m saying.
July 16th, 2007 at 11:13 pmIt was sucked into the super secret magically Vortex!!!
Maybe it got eaten up by Cheney’s hurricane creator in the Gulf?
Didn’t you hear? The Vice President is soon going to launch another hurricane at all the Dem strongholds in Florida!
July 16th, 2007 at 11:13 pmThat’s funny, let’s get our boys killed to keep from getting our boys killed. No matter what, with our big oil needs we still habve to deal over there. We seem to not be following the principle of the fox.
Comment by the Lone Voice of Reason — July 16, 2007 @ 11:12 pm
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No. Let’s finish what we started and secure the area so as not to create another Radical Islamic breeding ground!
July 16th, 2007 at 11:15 pmSo, LVR, has your research told us where 77 disappeared to?
July 16th, 2007 at 11:15 pmI didn’t make any mistake of the sort. You just operate under the assertion that the wealthy aren’t people.
Comment by m12
Predictably, you throw up a strawman. Must I post the exchange, to prove you wrong? You put up a graph supposedly to show that employee compensation wasn’t out of whack, and when I pointed out that employers’ health plans were included in the graph, you didn’t post anything to rebut me – just fell back on the same weak talking points.
July 16th, 2007 at 11:15 pmDidn’t you hear? The Vice President is soon going to launch another hurricane at all the Dem strongholds in Florida!
Comment by m12 — July 16, 2007 @ 11:13 pm
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Oh, of course! Cheney has that hurrican machine! That did it, just like he and Bush caused Katrina!
LOL!!!
July 16th, 2007 at 11:17 pm“So, LVR, has your research told us where 77 disappeared to?”
Comment by m12 —
And your research rebutting my points? C’mon, what’s good for the goose is good for the gander.
July 16th, 2007 at 11:17 pmPost whatever you like, barfly.
Oh, and CEOs are employees, not employers.
July 16th, 2007 at 11:17 pmSo now you are suggesting that flight 77 never existed?
Comment by m12
Weak strawman.
July 16th, 2007 at 11:18 pmYou believe the biggest conspiracy that’s obvious. If they want to convince me, they should release the surveilence tapes from the nearby businesses that they confiscated, simple as that.
July 16th, 2007 at 11:18 pmSo where is 77, barfly?
July 16th, 2007 at 11:18 pmComment by the Lone Voice of Reason — July 16, 2007 @ 11:18 pm
So at the very most you are entitled to be skeptical (in the original sense of the word). You do not have any grounds to assert a conspiracy theory.
July 16th, 2007 at 11:20 pmWhere is the blackbox?
July 16th, 2007 at 11:20 pmYou believe the biggest conspiracy that’s obvious. If they want to convince me, they should release the surveilence tapes from the nearby businesses that they confiscated, simple as that.
And all you have to do is tell everyone where the plane went. Never mind that the muslims proved their ability to hijack 3 other times that day….
July 16th, 2007 at 11:20 pmSo where is 77, barfly?
Comment by m12
Where’s the WMD?
July 16th, 2007 at 11:20 pmU.S. Intel Officer: Al Qaeda Leadership Allowed To Operate Freely:
A U.S. intelligence official last week testified to Congress that he believes the Bush administration is allowing the leadership of Al Qaeda to operate freely in Pakistan and is choosing not to disrupt its activities.
Demanding to know why the U.S. has not taken more decisive action against a known enemy, Tom Fingar of the office of the Director of National Intelligence told a Congressional hearing:
“It’s not that we lack the ability to go into that space, but we have chosen not to do so without the permission of the Pakistani government.”
“The U.S. has provided $5.6 billion in coalition support funds to Pakistan over the past five years, with zero accountability,” said Congressman Patrick Murphy, D-Pa., at the hearing.
“Why is Pakistan still being paid these large sums of money, even after publicly declaring that it is significantly cutting back patrols in the most important border area?” he asked.
Fingar’s claims are supported by the recent revelation that a secret military operation in early 2005 to capture senior members of Al Qaeda in Pakistan’s tribal areas was aborted at the last minute after top Bush administration officials decided it was too risky and could jeopardize relations with Pakistan.
While the Neocon hijackers of the U.S. government are warning daily of imminent bone crushing terror attacks and the lengths they may have to go to in order to protect “the homeland”, the leadership of the so called greatest threat to our way of life is being allowed to operate with impunity in Pakistan, a country ruled by a military dictator, because the Bush cabal has for some reason decided that in this instance alone interventionism is wrong.
Meanwhile the American public has been treated to another round of fearmongering with the latest re-hash of Bin Laden footage.
July 16th, 2007 at 11:21 pmWhere’s the WMD?
Apparently, they don’t exist. So where’s the plane?
July 16th, 2007 at 11:22 pmStiil waiting for you to rebut my points about employee compensation. You assertion that CEO’s are merely employees is absurd.
July 16th, 2007 at 11:22 pmI don’t have to prove anything, they do, and they can’t.
July 16th, 2007 at 11:22 pmI have an idea. I don’t like this non-wacko conservatives saying all this Bush is a liar stuff. It kind of pricks my unreality bubble. So let’s make it go away. Let’s pass a law that no one can call him a liar. Whenever you refer to Bush, you can only say, “oh, there goes that man who says things that accord with the Republican unreality bubble.” Or you can say, “oh, look, there is the guy who speaks with his head stuck up a Republican fishbowl.” But don’t call him a liar. Oh no. That’s . . . well that’s . . . that’s mean you meanie.
Seriously, how old are these Republican politicians? Two?
http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Congress_members_agree_No_calling_Bush_0716.html
Congressmembers rule: No calling Bush a liar
July 16th, 2007 at 11:22 pm
Stiil waiting for you to rebut my points about employee compensation. You assertion that CEO’s are merely employees is absurd.
Hahaha! Back to what I said earlier, the wealthy don’t count as people.
July 16th, 2007 at 11:23 pmI don’t have to prove anything, they do, and they can’t.
Comment by the Lone Voice of Reason — July 16, 2007 @ 11:22 pm
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So you are just making assumptions?
July 16th, 2007 at 11:23 pmwhere is Flight 77, if it did not crash into the pentagon?
Comment by m12 — July 16, 2007 @ 11:04 pm
Last comment and then good night, Everyone.
m12, the question you need to be asking yourself is not “What happened to Flight 77?” What you should be asking yourself is “What really hit the Pentagon?” Because the photographic evidence does not support the theory that it was a large plane. (DO NOT read more into that sentence than I wrote. I was very particular with the words I used.)
Good night, Everybody. I’ll see you tomorrow.
July 16th, 2007 at 11:23 pmSoooo, you admit they lied about WMD, well that is probably the only thing right?
July 16th, 2007 at 11:24 pm“Apparently, they don’t exist. ”
Comment by m12
Just like your rebuttal about employee compensation.
July 16th, 2007 at 11:24 pmI don’t have to prove anything, they do, and they can’t.
Prove what, exactly? You’re the ones asserting that muslims who hijacked 3 planes were somehow unable to hijack a 4th plane that disappeared into thin air………
July 16th, 2007 at 11:24 pmJust like your rebuttal about employee compensation.
Dodge, dodge, dodge? Well, ok!
July 16th, 2007 at 11:25 pmm12, the question you need to be asking yourself is not “What happened to Flight 77?†What you should be asking yourself is “What really hit the Pentagon?†Because the photographic evidence does not support the theory that it was a large plane. (DO NOT read more into that sentence than I wrote. I was very particular with the words I used.)
Good night, Everybody. I’ll see you tomorrow.
The questions are clearly linked. If something else hit the Pentagon, then Flight 77 did not, thus, the plane and the people on board it should be somewhere.
July 16th, 2007 at 11:26 pmPetraeus is not a General, General’s genuinely care about Soldiers and their well-being, General’s put Soldier’s in postions to succeed, General’s stand up for what’s right and not lie down for whats wrong. General’s (Shinseki, Taguba, and the Marine General that I cant seem to remember at this time) are willing and able to speak truth to power and pay for it with their careers, Generals hold their heads up high when they walk before the “troops”.
Meanwhile politicians in uniform (Petraeus, Myers, Pace, Sanchez, Abizaid) are nothing more than wide-eyed little boys playing Army with those Army Men you used to be able to get from the back page of comic books (1000pc for $2.00, those were the days). Sure they were tops in their class and blah blah blah, but this is war (real war) and when your main job is to please the President, his party, and his buddies, you are no longer a General, you are a defense contractor, and WE’RE the goods that your selling.
So the only direction Petraeus is going is whichever the hell the President tells him to go, believe that.
RIP
SGT Stephen R. Sherman
C CO 1-5 IN (STRYKER)
KIA 3 Feb 2005
Mosul, Iraq
The 1462nd Soldier to die in OIF III
WE (his friends, Brothers-in-Arms, and all respectful people) honor him today on what would have been his 30th birthday.
I can give a damn what the POTUS, his enablers, apologists, and trolls on this site call you, you will always be remember by those who love you.
Happy Birthday Stephen “Big Perm” Sherman
And he was bald lol
July 16th, 2007 at 11:26 pm“Hahaha! Back to what I said earlier, the wealthy don’t count as people.”
Comment by m12
Thanks for demonstrating your elitist worldview.
July 16th, 2007 at 11:27 pmComment by Wayne A. Schneider — July 16, 2007 @ 11:23 pm
Oh, Wayne. Not you too.
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July 16th, 2007 at 11:27 pmm12 I know you won’t look, ’cause it’ll make you look like an idiot, that’s what I was talking about. It was what some think a cruise missle, witnesses felt the concussion. It’s time to swallow your pride and give it up, a plane did not hit Washington.
July 16th, 2007 at 11:27 pmSoooo, you admit they lied about WMD, well that is probably the only thing right?
They didn’t lie…they followed the known intelligence at the time, and make the correct decision to pre-emptively stop Islamic nations from getting those weapons!
July 16th, 2007 at 11:28 pmm12 I know you won’t look, ’cause it’ll make you look like an idiot, that’s what I was talking about. It was what some think a cruise missle, witnesses felt the concussion. It’s time to swallow your pride and give it up, a plane did not hit Washington.
So where is the plane?
July 16th, 2007 at 11:29 pmThanks for demonstrating your elitist worldview.
Thank you! Not sure what an elitist world view is, but it’s definitely something good to have, coming from you!
July 16th, 2007 at 11:30 pmThey didn’t lie…they followed the known intelligence at the time, and make the correct decision to pre-emptively stop Islamic nations from getting those weapons!
Comment by m12
They used the dead from the Iran/Iraq war as an excuse to invade – omitting the fact that they armed both sides…
July 16th, 2007 at 11:31 pmIt’s time to swallow your pride and give it up, a plane did not hit Washington.
Comment by the Lone Voice of Reason — July 16, 2007 @ 11:27 pm
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How can you just rule that out with no evidence?
July 16th, 2007 at 11:31 pmThey didn’t lie…they followed the known intelligence at the time, and make the correct decision to pre-emptively stop Islamic nations from getting those weapons!
Comment by m12
You mean, like Pakistan? Oops, too late. Oh, that’s right, “President For Life” Musharrif is our friend.
July 16th, 2007 at 11:31 pmm12 I’ve seen your side of the story, have some guts and look into it. My god how old were you before you finally gave up on santa clause?
July 16th, 2007 at 11:32 pmMurdoch has made his bid. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB118463978304868582.html?mod=home_whats_news_us
Now he’s going to do with the Journal just what he did with all his other media. Dumb it down into a hacky Republican rag.
Say goodbye to articles like these:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB118454813037367221-search.html?KEYWORDS=republican+scandal&COLLECTION=wsjie/6month
July 16th, 2007 at 11:32 pmm12 I’ve seen your side of the story, have some guts and look into it. My god how old were you before you finally gave up on santa clause?
What side of the story? The voice of reason that asserts that planes and people do not disappear?
July 16th, 2007 at 11:33 pmMy god how old were you before you finally gave up on santa clause?
Comment by the Lone Voice of Reason
There is no Sanity Clause, Voice.
July 16th, 2007 at 11:34 pmSo where is the plane?
Comment by m12
Excellent question.
July 16th, 2007 at 11:35 pmAsk Dick Cheney.
M12, you’re a boob, and I always enjoy rubbing your nose in your ignorance, but I’ve got house chores to finish. I’ll leave the bashing to the other more than competent Tp’ers.
July 16th, 2007 at 11:35 pmExcellent question.
Ask Dick Cheney.
What, did Cheney eat it?
July 16th, 2007 at 11:35 pmComment by Tired Of Fighting — July 16, 2007 @ 11:26 pm
Always an honor to hear from you, Tired.
I’m sure today must have been tough for you. Sgt. Sherman was lucky to have such a friend.
July 16th, 2007 at 11:36 pmOh boy, the nutters are really startin’ to come out now!
July 16th, 2007 at 11:36 pmAny comments by m12 and dumbass President where did they hide the plane? The same place you two hide the salami when you get off work at Trolls r’ US. The day either of you two know what the fu@k your talking about other then blind boot-licking to this prickless wonder you call your president is the day one of you dipshits might make some sense. Leave the figuring to the big boys.
July 16th, 2007 at 11:37 pmAny comments by m12 and dumbass President where did they hide the plane? The same place you two hide the salami when you get off work at Trolls r’ US
Please enlighten me as to where this place is.
July 16th, 2007 at 11:38 pmOK that is a good question I’ll give you that, but it didn’t vaporize. The engines Boeing uses are made up of titanium alloy, no other jets vaporized in a crash, ever, It’s been proven. 184 of the 189 bodies were idenified, but the engines melted to nothing? Balls. Now PULEASE grow some and look for yourself.
July 16th, 2007 at 11:39 pmSo where is 77, barfly?
Comment by m12
Maybe in China, along with all the junk from the WTCs that US admin so desperately wanted to get rid of.
July 16th, 2007 at 11:39 pmm12,
I think they are afraid to tell us because it is just too much truth for us to handle!
July 16th, 2007 at 11:40 pmPrez, nutters believe everything they hear without investigating for themselves, believe me I don’t want to believe the things I’m saying, but the truth is the truth, get it touch with it.
July 16th, 2007 at 11:42 pmSo where is 77, barfly?
July 16th, 2007 at 11:42 pmComment by m12
They’re in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, south and north somewhat.
I don’t want to believe the things I’m saying, but the truth is the truth, get it touch with it.
Comment by the Lone Voice of Reason — July 16, 2007 @ 11:42 pm
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And how did you come across this information?
July 16th, 2007 at 11:43 pmMaybe in China, along with all the junk from the WTCs that US admin so desperately wanted to get rid of.
It would have to refuel to get to China. Did it stop over in California somewhere?
July 16th, 2007 at 11:43 pm“77″ sitting amongst a collection of many mothballed commercial airliners, with the engines removed, and all the portholes taped over, in a field along I-10 in southern Arizona.
July 16th, 2007 at 11:46 pmJuan C, buildings all over the world have burned and not collapsed. One burned 26 floors and stood. So even if one of the towers fell, what are the odds of both of them falling. Besides, their story about jet fuel melting the framework is fabricated, jet fuel doesn’t burn hot enough, any chemist could prove that.
July 16th, 2007 at 11:47 pmPrez just google it, my god do I have to tell you everything, use your head, how do you find cheap flights or hotels? “duh hey how do I find out”
July 16th, 2007 at 11:49 pmIt doesn’t matter WHERE it went. It DOES matter that the administration refuses to concede to the incredibly SIMPLE request of showing us a SINGLE, SOLITARY image of a massive airline crashing into an extremely well-video-taped building. It DOES matter that the administration cleared the SCENE OF THE CRIME of the largest foreign terrorist attack on American soil in our history before the SCENE OF THE CRIME could be investigated.
Where? They could stored up a troll’s ass for all I care. “Why ruin such an important crime scene?” is a more important question.
July 16th, 2007 at 11:50 pmComment by m12 — Presidents salami or the plane? Presidents salami is up your ass, and the plane? Probably up your as too.
July 16th, 2007 at 11:50 pmhow do you find cheap flights or hotels?
Comment by the Lone Voice of Reason
Or in his case, cheap porn…
July 16th, 2007 at 11:51 pmnutters
July 16th, 2007 at 11:51 pmThx Egreggious,
It’s tough for all of us who have lost friends, family members, etc. But I (WE) have memories that will last three lifetimes so we’re all ok.
And thanks for the support, you, willyloman, and everyone else that stood up for Big Perm.
RIP
SGT Stephen R. Sherman
C CO 1-5 IN (STRYKER)
KIA 3 Feb 2005
Mosul, Iraq
He is a comma to noone, not even the POTUS
July 16th, 2007 at 11:51 pmMod the ground wasn’t even touched, someone would have to be blind to not see that in the pics, it was a missle. I can’t believe these guys would’nt want the greatest crime in U.S. history investigated.
July 16th, 2007 at 11:53 pmComment by the Lone Voice of Reason
The BBC reported that WTC 7 had fallen 5 minutes before it did. Period. Thats all we need.
July 16th, 2007 at 11:53 pmJuan , they think we’re cooky just for asking questions about americans dying, that seems strange for people that say we’re unpatriotic.
July 16th, 2007 at 11:58 pmJaun C and LVR your never going to get dumbasses like President or m12 to believe any 9/11 truth. And you don’t need too. Polling shows that over 70% believe the government is complicite at some level. You can’t stop the truth.
July 17th, 2007 at 12:00 amNight all, fight the good fight.
July 17th, 2007 at 12:01 amWheres President and m12 to debate the issue?
July 17th, 2007 at 12:09 amthat seems strange for people that say we’re unpatriotic.
Comment by the Lone Voice of Reason
That is the thing that amazes me the most. It seems that the event was so terribly painful that even questioning the official version seems like an attack.
July 17th, 2007 at 12:09 amI’m glad you could be here.
I’d love to visit your part of the country someday. People I’ve talked to who have been there have always been impressed.
Comment by Egreggious
It’s nice that the weather is cooler. My little piece of the world is beautiful, but it’s a very different beauty than Oregon. :)
And I’ve never seen nine police cars around a building, and three cops with shotguns outside my window at my place — I don’t think Moscow has nine police cars. Very exciting around here right now. :)
July 17th, 2007 at 12:11 amIt seems that the event was so terribly painful that even questioning the official version seems like an attack.
Comment by Juan C
I rather think it’s being used to keep people in line.
“How dare you question us?? We’re at war! We’re at war! W/ an enemy like not other we’ve ever faced!!!” Talk about hysteria.
And, if you do have something to hide, you can’t afford to have people asking questions.
July 17th, 2007 at 12:16 amI agree.
July 17th, 2007 at 12:17 amComment by Tired Of Fighting — July 16, 2007 @ 11:51 pm
I’m sure willy would have said hello if he had been here.
Comment by Zooey — July 17, 2007 @ 12:11 am
What the heck’s going on? I don’t pay much attention to the local news (worse than FOX sometmes).
July 17th, 2007 at 12:20 amHey, Zoo. :)
July 17th, 2007 at 12:25 amDon’t feed the bottom dwelling, knuckle dragging, boot licking, ass kissing, trolls. They are cowards defending the thugs of the crime family. They should be punished for what they do.
July 17th, 2007 at 12:31 amWhat the heck’s going on? I don’t pay much attention to the local news (worse than FOX sometmes).
Comment by Egreggious
No idea! I told my son I thought his landlord must have found out about his kitten. :)
July 17th, 2007 at 12:33 amHey, Juan. How’s it going? :)
July 17th, 2007 at 12:33 amComment by kasinca — I disagree. Trolls serve to remind us how angry we are and should be at the present situation.
July 17th, 2007 at 12:34 amNo idea! I told my son I thought his landlord must have found out about his kitten. :)
Comment by Zooey — July 17, 2007 @ 12:33 am
The cops here have really been cracking down on that lately.
July 17th, 2007 at 12:34 amHe is a comma to noone, not even the POTUS
Comment by Tired Of Fighting — July 16, 2007 @ 11:51 pm
None of our fighting men and women are commas in history. Especially not when they pay the ultimate price for our freedoms. Considering the circumstances they’ve been placed in, the U.S. military has done an astounding job in Iraq. Were they not so competent and well-trained, many more would be dead today.
The chickenhawks, who want war, war, WAR, while never paying any price in sacrifice themselves, they are the commas.
You and yours do us all proud, ToF.
But please, PLEASE convince your brothers and sisters in arms to disobey any and all illegal orders passed down from their superiors. It is absolutely crucial to the national security of our nation that our soldiers refuse to follow orders to invade Iran. It is critical that they absolutely, under NO circumstances, allow for the offensive deployment and use of nuclear arms. We the People count on OUR brothers and sisters, sons and daughters, representing us in OUR military to fight for AMERICA before they fight for the PRESIDENT, no matter who fills the role of Commander-in-Chief.
Listen to Lt. General James Odom. Disobey any and all illegal orders.
Thanks for your service! We the People truly do appreciate you.
July 17th, 2007 at 12:39 amHow’s it going? :)
Comment by Zooey
Tired and reading. ;)
July 17th, 2007 at 12:43 amTired of Fighting.
It reminds me of a really beautiful and forlorn Beck song, “Lost Cause.”
[Lyrics.]
July 17th, 2007 at 12:47 amThe cops here have really been cracking down on that lately.
Comment by Egreggious
Tough crowd. :}
July 17th, 2007 at 12:52 am“I guess it doesn’t make any difference once a man has gone. Medals and speeches and victories are nothing to them anymore. They died and others lived and nobody knows why it is so. There’s nothing we can do for the ones beneath the wooden crosses, except perhaps to pause and murmur, ‘Thanks, pal.’” – Ernie Pyle
Thanks again, Sgt. Sherman, and good night.
July 17th, 2007 at 12:54 amTired and reading. ;)
Comment by Juan C
Me too, tired and writing emails. When do you have to make a decision about your doctorate program?
July 17th, 2007 at 12:54 amAll these generals are cowards like Powell. They all want to complain about procedures and policies but they lack courage to fight the real fight. if Petraeus feels Bush and Cheney are blocking him from doing his job, he should resign and let someone else be the puppet.
July 17th, 2007 at 12:57 amWhen do you have to make a decision about your doctorate program?
Comment by Zooey
I did it. Im gonna stay here for 2 years and do some internship in the US. And then the post PhD in the US, also.
Fuel Cells.
July 17th, 2007 at 12:59 amTough crowd. :}
Comment by Zooey — July 17, 2007 @ 12:52 am
It’s either that or rounding up the vegetarian, bicycling hippies for questioning.
G’night. :)
July 17th, 2007 at 1:00 amI did it. Im gonna stay here for 2 years and do some internship in the US. And then the post PhD in the US, also.
Fuel Cells.
Comment by Juan C
Cool. Dr Juan, fuel cell genius extraordinaire. :)
July 17th, 2007 at 1:01 amGoodnight, Egreggious. :)
July 17th, 2007 at 1:02 amCool. Dr Juan, fuel cell genius extraordinaire. :)
Comment by Zooey
mmmm…Im gonna get you someday, you know? :)
July 17th, 2007 at 1:04 amHeh. That’ll be the best hug ever. :)
July 17th, 2007 at 1:12 amThat’ll be the best hug ever. :)
Comment by Zooey
Well, it is a fuel cell genius extraordinaire hug, lady. It has to be!!! :D
July 17th, 2007 at 1:16 amOf course! The best ever! :D
July 17th, 2007 at 1:21 amOf course! The best ever! :D
Comment by Zooey
Im off. Take care, friend.
July 17th, 2007 at 1:27 amGoodnight, Juan. Sleep well.
Quiet night on TP….
July 17th, 2007 at 1:44 am“It’s time for this White House to be shut down via impeachment proceedings. They’re steamrolling everyone in their path to achieving their agenda, despite the wishes of the people. It’s getting very twisted these days and will probably get worse if they aren’t stopped.
Congress has only one card left in the game: the impeachment card. Failing that, this democracy will be hijacked – no ifs, ands, or buts about it.
Comment by veritas — July 16, 2007 @ 8:14 pm”
Your Democrat heroes have already taken impeachment off the table, havn’t you heard? There will be no impeachment.
Furthermore, TP trots out an article pertaining to a known Anti-Bush Democrat who’s merely parroting the usual George Soros talking points, and then you all salivate over “yet another” example of Bush’s criminal history. What you don’t appear to understand is that Senator Reed has no more credibility on the subject than you do. Why don’t you quit spreading rumours and wait for General Petraeus to speak for himself? I believe he’s quite capable at speaking english.
Veritas. according to most of your like-minded cohorts here on TP (Which, incidentally, when the blogs are printed out on the correct paper, makes excellent TP), this Democracy has ALREADY been hijacked.
Which is it? Has it already been hijacked, or is it about to be hijacked, only if there is no impeachment, which your Democrat congress has already stated repeatedly will not happen? (Hmm, does this make the Democratic congress a party to the overthrow of the U.S. Democracy as we know it? One wouldn’t have thought they would stand by and allow that to happen if you understood their campaign promises correctly. But then, those were only words to get elected, right? Now that they are in power, they can just stand by and watch the whole USA go down the toilet, right? At least we’ll all have plenty of TP if we print out these blogs!)
You all need to quit this insane hysteria and go outside and get some sunshine.
July 17th, 2007 at 2:46 amTRAITOR Bush is a WAR CRIMINAL and a MURDERER coxucker PUNK…
July 17th, 2007 at 2:54 amJust read through all that crap about 9/11 being a hoax, and the nonsense urging the military to disobey orders. You people are priceless sources of comic relief.
Why don’t you just urge folks to break the speed limit, not wear seatbelts, rob banks, beat their spouses, etc. If we’re going to have anarchy, why not just go all the way? Did I say you all needed to go get some sunshine? I don’t know if that will do it. I further suggest Prozac, Zoloft, or heck, good ole’ Lithium.
July 17th, 2007 at 3:07 amhttp://www.winningcampaigns.org/eblast/advantageblog/advantageblog.html
Is that where all the pinpricks are coming from?
July 17th, 2007 at 4:03 am“You all need to quit this insane hysteria and go outside and get some sunshine.”
Comment by O. Bigfoot
Does the initial “O” of your screen name stand for oral?
July 17th, 2007 at 6:57 amThe “0″ is his name as well as his IQ.
Just call the bum what he is, a “Zero”.
July 17th, 2007 at 7:18 amHe’s also casting aspersions on my good name, which I must protest.
July 17th, 2007 at 7:31 amComment by veritas — July 16, 2007 @ 8:14 pmâ€
Your Democrat heroes have already taken impeachment off the table, havn’t you heard? There will be no impeachment.
Furthermore, TP trots out an article pertaining to a known Anti-Bush Democrat who’s merely parroting the usual George Soros talking points, and then you all salivate over “yet another†example of Bush’s criminal history. What you don’t appear to understand is that Senator Reed has no more credibility on the subject than you do. Why don’t you quit spreading rumours and wait for General Petraeus to speak for himself? I believe he’s quite capable at speaking english.
Veritas. according to most of your like-minded cohorts here on TP (Which, incidentally, when the blogs are printed out on the correct paper, makes excellent TP), this Democracy has ALREADY been hijacked.
Which is it? Has it already been hijacked, or is it about to be hijacked, only if there is no impeachment, which your Democrat congress has already stated repeatedly will not happen? (Hmm, does this make the Democratic congress a party to the overthrow of the U.S. Democracy as
O Bigfoot (or is it O Bigmouth?) Gross generalization has been the hallmark of “your” obvious party, the Republicans from time immemorial – I never said I was a Democrat, you did! That was your first mistake and a gross generalization based on my post. I am a registered Independent for your information.
Take your big foot out of your gigantic mouth before you suffocate yourself!
July 17th, 2007 at 7:42 amBigfoot: Somehow your entire post criticizing mine did not appear in it’s entirety but you get the ‘gist…
July 17th, 2007 at 7:43 amJust read through all that crap about 9/11 being a hoax, and the nonsense urging the military to disobey orders. You people are priceless sources of comic relief.
Why don’t you just urge folks to break the speed limit, not wear seatbelts, rob banks, beat their spouses, etc. If we’re going to have anarchy, why not just go all the way? Did I say you all needed to go get some sunshine? I don’t know if that will do it. I further suggest Prozac, Zoloft, or heck, good ole’ Lithium.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — July 17, 2007 @ 3:07 am
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HEyOOOOoooooOOOOOOooooooOOOOOOoooooOOOOOOooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Indeed, O. Bigfoot, I was here at the time and when things began to get too kooky (treasonous), I felt it time to leave. But, it was funny while it lasted!!!
July 17th, 2007 at 8:08 amVeritas. according to most of your like-minded cohorts here on TP (Which, incidentally, when the blogs are printed out on the correct paper, makes excellent TP), this Democracy has ALREADY been hijacked….
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You all need to quit this insane hysteria and go outside and get some sunshine.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — July 17, 2007 @ 2:46 am
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Dear Mr. O. Bigfoot,
I am pleased to announce that The Troll ™ is giving you honorary status as Visiting Troll here at TP. You have proved yourself a friend of The Troll ™, and we wish you success in your futute endeavors.
Your Troll President,
Mr. President
July 17th, 2007 at 8:13 amPresident of Trolls
And when Gen. P’s “assessment” and subsequent “bold new strategery” and “way forward” fall flat (dare I say, bomb) and Bush offs him and people complain about the WH going through generals like hankies, Tony Snow will get up and remind us that those who criticize such use, misuse, and discarding of generals must be against civilian control of the military. You know, it’s like in the Constitution, man.
July 17th, 2007 at 8:43 amPetraeus deserves what ever he has coming to him. He knew better, but let himself be used and American troops die, to further his politico-military career. We needn’t feel sorry for him–he’ll move on to some high-paying job in the military industrial complex while his troops suffer PTSDs and Iraq War syndrome.
July 17th, 2007 at 10:38 amHere, this ought to get you all howling:
Mr. Prez and I aren’t trolls, we’re merely the defenders of “Truth, Justice, and the American Way”.
Furthermore, it’s always fun to hear you Bush-Haters sputter your personal insults when you are confronted with unarguable truth.
“O Bigfoot (or is it O Bigmouth?) Gross generalization has been the hallmark of “your†obvious party, the Republicans from time immemorial – I never said I was a Democrat, you did! That was your first mistake and a gross generalization based on my post. I am a registered Independent for your information.
Comment by veritas — July 17, 2007 @ 7:42 am”
You apparently read the words, but are unable to comprehend them. I made no mistake.
Nowhere in my post did I call you a Democrat. Personally, I don’t care if you are Democrat or Independent. However, it’s obvious that you are NOT a conservative who believes in his/her country. You are merely another irrational Bush-Hater throwing temper-tantrums because he/she doesn’t get his/her way. And that makes you part of the problem, rather than part of any solution.
Read this and comprehend, I will make it as plain as I can so even you can hopefully understand:
You may personally disagree with the President’s policies, and you have every right to do so, however, your disagreement with the President does not equal a crime.
This may surprise you: I have disagreed with the President’s policies at times, and made my disagreement known through the usual methods available through our form of government. Guess what? Sometimes my opinions succeed, sometimes they don’t. Do I get frustrated when my opinion doesn’t succeed? Sure. But I don’t hate my President, Elected Representatives, Government, or Country because of it. Grow up, veritas.
No crimes=No impeachment.
July 17th, 2007 at 11:23 amNo crimes=No impeachment.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — July 17, 2007 @ 11:23 am
Therefore, crimes=impeachment.
July 17th, 2007 at 12:11 pmHow simply elegant. Let the trials begin.
I watched a good bit of senator Reed (RI) who, up until yesterday, I had no information about.
Now I see that he gives reasoned thoughtful, and convincing arguments to advance his position. Contrast that to the frothing of LIEberman, Graham, or Mitch McConnell.
Probably, you could read these remarks in the congressional record. This small excerpt is from the story at the top of the page.
REED: That’s one report I think that bears on this debate.
The second, as you point out, is the benchmark reports coming out of Iraq, which shows, on the surface, mixed progress. But when you probe beneath, the real critical issues — very little or no progress at all on the political issues. The legal actions by the Iraqi government to redistribute oil profits, to incorporate more of the Sunni community into the government, no progress at all.
And I was there last week, and the prospect of anything changing over the next several weeks or months, certainly through September, is very bleak indeed. So we’re ready, I think, for a vote on the policy. I don’t think we have to wait.
I got the impression from Gen. Petraeus that he wasn’t waiting. Now he might be overruled by people in the White House and, you know, wait until September. But he seemed very eager to come forward as quickly as possible with a new direction and policy.
Once again, this administration seems to be overruling the wisdom of the Generals on the ground, as others have chronicled above. And once again the American people have their desire to end this occupation (the war ended in may 2003; remember mission accomplished?) stalled, a tactic the Repugs are using to deny Democrats any legislative victories. Meanwhile, those soldiers they ‘care’ so much about are being killed maimed, overextended and lied to.
July 17th, 2007 at 12:19 pmAnd you Bushites are okay with this?
We actually need to get hit hard for this to happen and happen it will – you can take that to the bank…
Comment by Leo — July 16, 2007 @ 9:36 pm
GREAT POST!!!
Comment by Mr. President #54
Hopefully…
…in YOUR neighborhoods…
…in YOUR homes…
…eradicating your fetid, wothless bloodlines…
…America needs to purge itself of mindless TRAITORS…
…like Leo and its ignorant, inbred relatives…
July 17th, 2007 at 2:54 pmWhat do we do when the CIA stages a terror attack in America and Bush uses it to declare martial law!!!!
July 17th, 2007 at 5:03 pmhttp://web.mac.com/ryskind/iWeb/Site/The%20Ryskind%20Sketchbook.html
July 17th, 2007 at 9:40 pmOF COURSE HE’S BEING SET UP. He was dumb enough to take the job in the first place and because of this, he deserves to be! Who couldn’t see it coming !
July 18th, 2007 at 4:56 amIf this “war” is so important to the welfare of civilization, then why not instate a draft. Our military has already broken.
July 18th, 2007 at 11:58 am