Comments on: 60 percent: http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/18/60-percent-2/ Fri, 27 Nov 2009 03:48:36 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: Ret. Col. Jack Ripper http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/18/60-percent-2/comment-page-2/#comment-3946981 Ret. Col. Jack Ripper Thu, 19 Jul 2007 00:29:51 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/07/18/60-percent-2/#comment-3946981 Just the other day, one of these goddamn Bush worshippers, either M12, Ringo, CtVI or Flaco, was citing a poll from 2003 and using it as evidence that the military supported Bush's Iraq folly. I posted that the poll was out of date and a more recent poll would show different results. This was met with the usual derision and ad hominem bullcrap. Where is that poster now? Just the other day, one of these goddamn Bush worshippers, either M12, Ringo, CtVI or Flaco, was citing a poll from 2003 and using it as evidence that the military supported Bush’s Iraq folly. I posted that the poll was out of date and a more recent poll would show different results. This was met with the usual derision and ad hominem bullcrap. Where is that poster now?

]]> By: Marie http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/18/60-percent-2/comment-page-2/#comment-3946773 Marie Wed, 18 Jul 2007 23:12:22 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/07/18/60-percent-2/#comment-3946773 I just finished reading Fiasco -- Jeezez! If one didn't believe the war was a major screw up from the get-go, this book will change their minds. This war was wrong in conception, wrong in direction, wrong, wrong, wrong. We can never atone for what we have done; the best we can do is leave as soon as possible. And leaving ASAP means that if we started tomorrow, it could take anywhere from 10 to 18 months to get everyone out. I just finished reading Fiasco — Jeezez!
If one didn’t believe the war was a major screw up from the get-go, this book will change their minds. This war was wrong in conception, wrong in direction, wrong, wrong, wrong.
We can never atone for what we have done; the best we can do is leave as soon as possible.
And leaving ASAP means that if we started tomorrow, it could take anywhere from 10 to 18 months to get everyone out.

]]> By: Alejandro http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/18/60-percent-2/comment-page-2/#comment-3946617 Alejandro Wed, 18 Jul 2007 22:25:10 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/07/18/60-percent-2/#comment-3946617 Wait, I just looked it up. Ron Paul has the most military donations of any candidate! Wait, I just looked it up. Ron Paul has the most military donations of any candidate!

]]> By: sandy http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/18/60-percent-2/comment-page-2/#comment-3946611 sandy Wed, 18 Jul 2007 22:23:54 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/07/18/60-percent-2/#comment-3946611 A caller to the Randi Rhodes show (I'm pretty sure it was Randi's show) had a GREAT idea, based on the fact that the Iraqi Parliament, the U.S. Congress, and Bush-Cheney-Rice etc., are taking off the entire month of August, in part because of the oppressive heat/weather, which appears to be a good enough reason among the Bushies for the Iraqi Parliament members to take off ... so, why don't the members of our military deserve the same? So, the caller suggested that, in solidarity with the Bush WH, Congress, and the Iraqi Parliament, SEND THE TROOPS HOME FOR THE MONTH OF AUGUST. It could be done on a "trial" basis, like the alleged surge. Two weeks to organize and get the plan implemented--Operation 'get them the hell out of Bushwhirled' A caller to the Randi Rhodes show (I’m pretty sure it was Randi’s show) had a GREAT idea, based on the fact that the Iraqi Parliament, the U.S. Congress, and Bush-Cheney-Rice etc., are taking off the entire month of August, in part because of the oppressive heat/weather, which appears to be a good enough reason among the Bushies for the Iraqi Parliament members to take off … so, why don’t the members of our military deserve the same?

So, the caller suggested that, in solidarity with the Bush WH, Congress, and the Iraqi Parliament, SEND THE TROOPS HOME FOR THE MONTH OF AUGUST. It could be done on a “trial” basis, like the alleged surge.

Two weeks to organize and get the plan implemented–Operation ‘get them the hell out of Bushwhirled’

]]> By: Alejandro http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/18/60-percent-2/comment-page-2/#comment-3946606 Alejandro Wed, 18 Jul 2007 22:22:07 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/07/18/60-percent-2/#comment-3946606 That must be why Ron Paul has the most military donations of any Repub candidate. That must be why Ron Paul has the most military donations of any Repub candidate.

]]> By: dxwoods http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/18/60-percent-2/comment-page-2/#comment-3946586 dxwoods Wed, 18 Jul 2007 22:15:45 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/07/18/60-percent-2/#comment-3946586 Now vs 18 months from now is a lot of wiggle room. I'm not surpised by those numbers. I'd rather see the poll results if you ask the question with only a Now vs Stay the Course choice. I'm 100% in the NOW or Yesterday camp. Now vs 18 months from now is a lot of wiggle room. I’m not surpised by those numbers.
I’d rather see the poll results if you ask the question with only a Now vs Stay the Course choice.
I’m 100% in the NOW or Yesterday camp.

]]> By: Andrea http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/18/60-percent-2/comment-page-2/#comment-3946415 Andrea Wed, 18 Jul 2007 21:29:22 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/07/18/60-percent-2/#comment-3946415 Now that it is obvious that support for the war in Iraq is lacking in every conceivable sector of the American population, the continuing stubbornness of the Administration to even consider changing the doomed course they have set themselves on is both frustrating and infuriating. It is also frustrating because they continue to ignore and draw attention away from other areas which have a real potential to help people. For example, the fight against global poverty, as conceived of in the UN's Millennium Development goals is one of the most promising and critical issues of our time. But it is lacking critical political and economic support in the US because the war in Iraq is sucking resources and attention away from everything else. Now that it is obvious that support for the war in Iraq is lacking in every conceivable sector of the American population, the continuing stubbornness of the Administration to even consider changing the doomed course they have set themselves on is both frustrating and infuriating. It is also frustrating because they continue to ignore and draw attention away from other areas which have a real potential to help people. For example, the fight against global poverty, as conceived of in the UN’s Millennium Development goals is one of the most promising and critical issues of our time. But it is lacking critical political and economic support in the US because the war in Iraq is sucking resources and attention away from everything else.

]]> By: SGT Higgins http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/18/60-percent-2/comment-page-2/#comment-3946342 SGT Higgins Wed, 18 Jul 2007 20:58:15 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/07/18/60-percent-2/#comment-3946342 The only people you can say knew what they were signing up for are the people who have signed up after Bush invaded Iraq. And, I’m willing to bet that is a small part of the military. Comment by Katie I remember being downrange when some of these guys came to the unit. Doing the math, they joined, went through BCT & AIT and came to Iraq...all after the war started.....I remember thinking, "Does this look like FUN?" The only people you can say knew what they were signing up for are the people who have signed up after Bush invaded Iraq. And, I’m willing to bet that is a small part of the military.

Comment by Katie

I remember being downrange when some of these guys came to the unit. Doing the math, they joined, went through BCT & AIT and came to Iraq…all after the war started…..I remember thinking, “Does this look like FUN?”

]]> By: francis http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/18/60-percent-2/comment-page-2/#comment-3946236 francis Wed, 18 Jul 2007 20:18:34 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/07/18/60-percent-2/#comment-3946236 And it's still called the ARMY national guard. And it’s still called the ARMY national guard.

]]> By: Katie http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/18/60-percent-2/comment-page-2/#comment-3946233 Katie Wed, 18 Jul 2007 20:18:04 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/07/18/60-percent-2/#comment-3946233 "Katie, I would venture it’s actually a large part. People that have either signed up or reenlisted since March 2003. A 4 year contract would have taken them to March of 2007." Sorry Tundra - I think you are also wrong. You are assuming that everyone that is in the military now enlisted since March 2003. That is not the fact. A very large number of our military would have been out a long time ago if they were not stop-lossed. And the same thing is happening with the National Guard, except that they sign up for longer tour of duty so most of them don't have to be stop-lossed. I read recently about one guy who was due to get out around the time that Bush invaded Iraq. He is still in the military and he is now on his third tour of duty in Iraq. “Katie,
I would venture it’s actually a large part. People that have either signed up or reenlisted since March 2003. A 4 year contract would have taken them to March of 2007.”

Sorry Tundra – I think you are also wrong. You are assuming that everyone that is in the military now enlisted since March 2003. That is not the fact. A very large number of our military would have been out a long time ago if they were not stop-lossed. And the same thing is happening with the National Guard, except that they sign up for longer tour of duty so most of them don’t have to be stop-lossed. I read recently about one guy who was due to get out around the time that Bush invaded Iraq. He is still in the military and he is now on his third tour of duty in Iraq.

]]> By: francis http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/18/60-percent-2/comment-page-2/#comment-3946224 francis Wed, 18 Jul 2007 20:16:01 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/07/18/60-percent-2/#comment-3946224 Regardless of when they signed up for the ARMY, they still signed up for the ARMY. It would be reasonable to assume that at any time in the career of an army guy, he could be called into a war; to sign up for the army and not have this assumption would be idiotic. That's the nature of the army. As for the guard, perhaps they didn't sign up to fight a war, I don't really know what the guard is used for. I guess cleaning up disasters around their state and what not. How many people in Iraq are in the guard and not the army? Regardless of when they signed up for the ARMY, they still signed up for the ARMY. It would be reasonable to assume that at any time in the career of an army guy, he could be called into a war; to sign up for the army and not have this assumption would be idiotic. That’s the nature of the army. As for the guard, perhaps they didn’t sign up to fight a war, I don’t really know what the guard is used for. I guess cleaning up disasters around their state and what not. How many people in Iraq are in the guard and not the army?

]]> By: Zooey http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/18/60-percent-2/comment-page-2/#comment-3946202 Zooey Wed, 18 Jul 2007 20:06:57 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/07/18/60-percent-2/#comment-3946202 #49 Zooey, no I was referring to your post in #10, me thinks they stuck an extra post back after I wrote the remark. Comment by upside00 — July 18, 2007 @ 2:53 pm Ok. I'm confused. I was just agreeing with kdoug's sentiment: Support The Troops - Listen to them! #49 Zooey, no I was referring to your post in #10, me thinks they stuck an extra post back after I wrote the remark.
Comment by upside00 — July 18, 2007 @ 2:53 pm

Ok. I’m confused. I was just agreeing with kdoug’s sentiment: Support The Troops – Listen to them!

]]> By: Tundra http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/18/60-percent-2/comment-page-2/#comment-3946179 Tundra Wed, 18 Jul 2007 19:59:08 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/07/18/60-percent-2/#comment-3946179 <i>The only people you can say knew what they were signing up for are the people who have signed up after Bush invaded Iraq. And, I’m willing to bet that is a small part of the military. Comment by Katie — July 18, 2007 @ 3:19 pm </i> Katie, I would venture it's actually a large part. People that have either signed up or reenlisted since March 2003. A 4 year contract would have taken them to March of 2007. (It's a different part of the discussion not about military.com so I can get in this part ) The only people you can say knew what they were signing up for are the people who have signed up after Bush invaded Iraq. And, I’m willing to bet that is a small part of the military.

Comment by Katie — July 18, 2007 @ 3:19 pm

Katie,

I would venture it’s actually a large part. People that have either signed up or reenlisted since March 2003. A 4 year contract would have taken them to March of 2007.

(It’s a different part of the discussion not about military.com so I can get in this part )

]]> By: Tundra http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/18/60-percent-2/comment-page-2/#comment-3946162 Tundra Wed, 18 Jul 2007 19:54:30 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/07/18/60-percent-2/#comment-3946162 <i>It is the most read news source for current military and alot of veterans as well. Sgt Higgins said the Military.com is starting to turn against the war and is one of the most read internet sources in Iraq, so it does have some clout. Comment by upside00 — July 18, 2007 @ 1:54 pm </i> I post there a whole lot more than I post here. I have a different opinion than Sgt Higgins does about the stance of most of the posters. Seeing as I am bias in this instance I will remove myself from this discussion :-) It is the most read news source for current military and alot of veterans as well.

Sgt Higgins said the Military.com is starting to turn against the war and is one of the most read internet sources in Iraq, so it does have some clout.

Comment by upside00 — July 18, 2007 @ 1:54 pm

I post there a whole lot more than I post here. I have a different opinion than Sgt Higgins does about the stance of most of the posters. Seeing as I am bias in this instance I will remove myself from this discussion :-)

]]> By: SGT Higgins http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/18/60-percent-2/comment-page-2/#comment-3946104 SGT Higgins Wed, 18 Jul 2007 19:28:24 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/07/18/60-percent-2/#comment-3946104 francis smells like Joker francis smells like Joker

]]> By: Katie http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/18/60-percent-2/comment-page-2/#comment-3946080 Katie Wed, 18 Jul 2007 19:19:38 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/07/18/60-percent-2/#comment-3946080 <em>"I simply feel that these troops shouldn’t complain about where they are or for how long, because they’re doing their jobs and knew what the army entailed when they signed up. Comment by francis"</em> Sorry francis, you are wrong. The National Guard did not sign up to become ground troops in a military action. And the people in the military before Bush invaded Iraq did not sign up to invade a country that didn't threaten us and then occupy that country. The only people you can say knew what they were signing up for are the people who have signed up after Bush invaded Iraq. And, I'm willing to bet that is a small part of the military. “I simply feel that these troops shouldn’t complain about where they are or for how long, because they’re doing their jobs and knew what the army entailed when they signed up.
Comment by francis”

Sorry francis, you are wrong. The National Guard did not sign up to become ground troops in a military action. And the people in the military before Bush invaded Iraq did not sign up to invade a country that didn’t threaten us and then occupy that country.

The only people you can say knew what they were signing up for are the people who have signed up after Bush invaded Iraq. And, I’m willing to bet that is a small part of the military.

]]> By: Katie http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/18/60-percent-2/comment-page-2/#comment-3946058 Katie Wed, 18 Jul 2007 19:14:35 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/07/18/60-percent-2/#comment-3946058 <em>"Besides, from here on in, every life which is sacrificed will be added to a huge and personal class action lawsuit against every senator who voted to continue this form of national genocide. Comment by veritas"</em> Problem is veritas - there won't be another vote to continue this form of national genocide. That's why the Republics have filibustered the Reed/Levin bill. They don't want to be forced to put there vote out there where everyone can see it. It's called "plausible deniability". If they don't actually vote to bring our troops home, none of those Senators who participated in the filibuster can be accused of voting against bringing our troops home. This is all like some big game to the Lemming Republics. They could care less that another 500 of our troops will die before we can even start getting them out of there. “Besides, from here on in, every life which is sacrificed will be added to a huge and personal class action lawsuit against every senator who voted to continue this form of national genocide.
Comment by veritas”

Problem is veritas – there won’t be another vote to continue this form of national genocide. That’s why the Republics have filibustered the Reed/Levin bill. They don’t want to be forced to put there vote out there where everyone can see it. It’s called “plausible deniability”. If they don’t actually vote to bring our troops home, none of those Senators who participated in the filibuster can be accused of voting against bringing our troops home.

This is all like some big game to the Lemming Republics. They could care less that another 500 of our troops will die before we can even start getting them out of there.

]]> By: Katie http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/18/60-percent-2/comment-page-2/#comment-3946035 Katie Wed, 18 Jul 2007 19:08:38 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/07/18/60-percent-2/#comment-3946035 <em>"Why do the soldiers not support the soldiers? I think the Democrats should be ashamed… Comment by dono "</em> Please tell me how they are supposed to "support" their fellow soldiers? Is it support to go along with a failed policy? Is it support to keep quiet while your bothers and sisters are sent to that hell-hole to die? Support our Troops - Bring them Home! (that's my bumper sticker) “Why do the soldiers not support the soldiers? I think the Democrats should be ashamed…
Comment by dono “

Please tell me how they are supposed to “support” their fellow soldiers? Is it support to go along with a failed policy? Is it support to keep quiet while your bothers and sisters are sent to that hell-hole to die?

Support our Troops – Bring them Home! (that’s my bumper sticker)

]]> By: Egreggious http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/18/60-percent-2/comment-page-2/#comment-3946029 Egreggious Wed, 18 Jul 2007 19:07:30 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/07/18/60-percent-2/#comment-3946029 Hi, I'm Moderate Mary of Maine. Now I don't approve of Bush and Cheney, and would love to have them out of office, just like you. That said, I agree with everything they have said and done. Hi,

I’m Moderate Mary of Maine.

Now I don’t approve of Bush and Cheney, and would love to have them out of office, just like you.

That said, I agree with everything they have said and done.

]]> By: nanlichi http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/18/60-percent-2/comment-page-2/#comment-3946024 nanlichi Wed, 18 Jul 2007 19:06:28 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/07/18/60-percent-2/#comment-3946024 Don't worry little Bush guy, Barney still agrees with you. And the sycophantic pus filled whore trolls. Other than that, you are on your own. Don’t worry little Bush guy, Barney still agrees with you.

And the sycophantic pus filled whore trolls.

Other than that, you are on your own.

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