Matthews: I ’sympathize with Scooter Libby.’
By on Jul 18th, 2007 at 6:43 pm
Matthews: I ’sympathize with Scooter Libby.’
On MSNBC’s Hardball this evening, host Chris Matthews briefly spoke to former New York Times reporter Judy Miller about her role in the “Scooter” Libby trial. At the end of the conversation, Matthews remarked “You can’t talk about the case, I completely understand that. I sympathize with you. And I sometimes even sympathize with Scooter Libby.” Watch it:
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Shuster!
July 18th, 2007 at 6:47 pmGee, Chris, should you be in prison too?
July 18th, 2007 at 6:48 pmOh, tee-hee, tee-hee, we can’t talk about this, tee-hee.
Nutters!
July 18th, 2007 at 6:49 pmI believe that Chris Matthews has either recently gone certifiably nutso or is taking prozac ++. What’s up with him these days?
July 18th, 2007 at 6:50 pmI think he’ll soon be wearing a dress with all of that tee-hee going on.
July 18th, 2007 at 6:50 pmHe’s just being an ass kisser to the establishment.
July 18th, 2007 at 6:52 pmHe was buttering up Judy to ask her out after the show.
July 18th, 2007 at 6:52 pmMatthews Hardball is getting pretty mushy….
July 18th, 2007 at 6:53 pmpathetic tool
July 18th, 2007 at 6:53 pmTee hee, treason, tee hee, national security compromised, tee hee hee.
July 18th, 2007 at 6:54 pmOne big happy club, of course you sympathize.
July 18th, 2007 at 6:54 pmWhy can’t Miller talk about the Scooter case,anyone know?
July 18th, 2007 at 6:55 pmDoes Tweety ever listen to what falls out of his mouth?
Did he go on and on about how Judith smelled?
July 18th, 2007 at 6:55 pmOr is that just guys?
Ahh, poor little liar.
Please allow me to introduce myself, I’m a man of wealth and taste…
…And I wonder who killed the Kennedys
July 18th, 2007 at 6:57 pmAfterall it was you and me…
Terrorist attack in NYC is being played down as a steam pipe explosion. This is further proof that we are indeed fighting them here and why they will never admit its another terrorist attack.
July 18th, 2007 at 6:57 pmWhy can’t Miller talk about the Scooter case,anyone know?
Comment by Fred Lemsom — July 18, 2007 @ 6:55 pm
Because it might prejudice the case, I imagine, for the appeal. I don’t know if it’s a court order or not. Never had any run-ins with the law myself.
July 18th, 2007 at 6:58 pmGood shot, Zooey! The jury’s still out on Matthews I guess.
Fred Lemson: That’s a good question. Why can’t Judith Miller discuss the Libby case? Anyone with legal background to weigh in on that one?
July 18th, 2007 at 6:59 pmTerrorist attack in NYC is being played down as a steam pipe explosion.
Comment by sarah_nav — July 18, 2007 @ 6:57 pm
Or vice versa.
July 18th, 2007 at 6:59 pmWhy can’t Miller talk about the Scooter case,anyone know?
Comment by Fred Lemsom
I’m guessing, and this is just a guess, but Scooter was just the tip of the proverbial iceberg, and that Judy tripped over an aspen root and spilled the whole basketfull…
July 18th, 2007 at 7:00 pmI spent many years as a prosecutor and defense attorney. People seem to equate the fact that one is a nice person with the person’s moral value. I am sorry, but I knew lots of hard working, personable people who were also crooks. Chris is just so use to dealing with these people that he can not believe that they would do anything wrong. However, the sorry history of hummanity will show that the friend, neighbor, lover and other seemingly benign people can be just as capable of committing a crime as the stereotypical criminal from television. Thhe hard pressed or greedy businessman, the fanatical political follower or born again Christian can be more dangerous than the low level criminal. The story of the Bush administration has been to place ideology and political loyalty above the law. It is not just the technical illegality but the errosion of our form of government that creates the gravest danger.
July 18th, 2007 at 7:00 pm#13
I think it is because of the appeal as well as the outstanding civil suit against him by Valerie and Joe Wilson.
July 18th, 2007 at 7:01 pmDoes he like Scooter’s cologne, too? Maybe he would like to sniff Scooter’s butt. With Matthews, that certainly would not be surprising.
July 18th, 2007 at 7:05 pmMatthews has his moments, but unfortunately, they are few and very far between these days. His compassion for criminals is just intolerable. DeLay, Scooter….he’s just a tool for the right.
July 18th, 2007 at 7:05 pmIs the name of the show Hardball or Screwball?
ITMFAs NOW!!!
July 18th, 2007 at 7:06 pmJust another reason to stop watching cable infotainment.
July 18th, 2007 at 7:07 pmNew! Al-Quaida in Iran. Another hillarios product of oriental patch (Orrin Hatch, famous polygamist) and the irreplaceble Bush administration
http://ccoaler.blogspot.com/2007/07/i-guess-bush-better-had-shot-oussama-in.html
July 18th, 2007 at 7:09 pmOne whore interviewing another.
July 18th, 2007 at 7:09 pmBring Back Shuster!!!
July 18th, 2007 at 7:10 pmI think Matthew’s hot.
July 18th, 2007 at 7:12 pmI think Matthew’s hot.
Comment by Mr.President
Somebody won some money on THAT one.
July 18th, 2007 at 7:18 pmDid I quiet the crowd?
July 18th, 2007 at 7:19 pmIs Judith really that squinty eyed, or is she just doing her piggy face?
July 18th, 2007 at 7:19 pmPARDON SCOOTER !!!!!
July 18th, 2007 at 7:20 pmUh, that would be Matthews, as in his last name. Now tell us about your little friend Matthew. Does his mom know he’s with you?
July 18th, 2007 at 7:20 pmTP.org, ever think about laying off the Libby-bashing for once, heh?
If you want to make some real progress, go catch some real criminals to occupy those empty cells and report your progress right here. No, cheap word-of-mouf offenses don’t count!
The day of a full pardon is the day of yet another inevitable liberal loss.
Who’s keeping score anymore?
July 18th, 2007 at 7:21 pmNo, you hijacked my name !!!!
July 18th, 2007 at 7:21 pmOh, that wasn’t you Mr Pee? Sorry, now tell Matthew to go home and wash his hands.
July 18th, 2007 at 7:21 pmMr. President is right, stop hijacking our names !!!!!
July 18th, 2007 at 7:22 pmI am not a troll.
July 18th, 2007 at 7:23 pmI am not Mr. President.
July 18th, 2007 at 7:23 pm“And I sometimes even sympathize with Scooter Libby.â€
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That’s it?…..Mathews shows a tiny bit of sympathy for Libby and all of a sudden this life-long Lefty is a stooge for the right?
You folks are nuttier than Aunt Betty’s Christmas loaf.
July 18th, 2007 at 7:27 pmWith all the “man love” and “sympathy” Chris Mathews doles out, I’d sympathize more with his wife, who probably spends the majority of her free time trying to find the right-sized batteries for her “home appliance.”
July 18th, 2007 at 7:27 pmWho’s keeping score anymore?
Comment by CT_V1
Who can? Repubes are imploding in public so fast these days! And Larry Flynt is going to dump 30 more names on us.
Hey, anyone want to put some bets down as to the mystery Senator is that’s got even Larry Flynt shocked?
July 18th, 2007 at 7:28 pmChris was at the Bohemian Grove last weekend in San Francisco, so he probably did have a dress on, they like to do that there.
July 18th, 2007 at 7:28 pmYou folks are nuttier than Aunt Betty’s Christmas loaf.
Comment by Ringo
Clearly, you’re not familiar w/ Chris “I Love Fred Thompson’s Smell” Matthews.
July 18th, 2007 at 7:29 pmHey, anyone want to put some bets down as to the mystery Senator is that’s got even Larry Flynt shocked?
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity
Well, if Flynt is shocked, my money is on Kay Hutchinson.
July 18th, 2007 at 7:30 pmJUdy Miller can say whatever she wants to say. Her case is over. She has no obligation to be quiet for someone else’s lawsuit. What BS! Chris fed her that line!
He’s so afraid he won’t get invited to parties that he continues to grovel whenever possible. What a soft-ball!
July 18th, 2007 at 7:30 pmDid I quiet the crowd?
Comment by Mr.President
You certainly empty out rooms, and make small children cry, and livestock whimper…
July 18th, 2007 at 7:30 pmWell, if Flynt is shocked, my money is on Kay Hutchinson.
Comment by Candyce
Oooh, good one, Candyce. Com’on folks… place those bets!
July 18th, 2007 at 7:31 pmMathews shows a tiny bit of sympathy for Libby and all of a sudden this life-long Lefty is a stooge for the right?
Comment by Ringo — July 18, 2007 @ 7:27 pm
You might check out this left-wing propaganda as well:
July 18th, 2007 at 7:32 pmhttp://mediamatters.org/issues_topics/people/chrismatthews
TRoS, I’ll take Ted Stevens for $50.00
July 18th, 2007 at 7:33 pmTweety proves again that when he is interviewing a woman, he cannot think straight.
July 18th, 2007 at 7:36 pmThe man is no journalist — he is a gadfly and a gossip.
What is going on with Chrissy Matthews. First giving Ralph (I’m still relevant) Nader a forum to promote his nonsense, then a full hour for
that long legged blonde whose name I refuse to type to promote
her book.
He is morping into Tucker Carlson…..
Jack Jett
July 18th, 2007 at 7:36 pmhttp://www.jackejett.com
Huh, I’m going to go with Ted Stevens as well…
July 18th, 2007 at 7:37 pmI had a visual of him being mauled by Madam Palfry dressed in a polar bear suit.
Chris was at the Bohemian Grove last weekend in San Francisco, so he probably did have a dress on, they like to do that there.
Comment by Helga
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It’s actually in Monte Rio, near Sant Cruz….and we don’t wear dresses,we wear togas, like Romans.
Of course it’s always skinny dippin’ in the pool….and around the campfire we just let it all hang out.
July 18th, 2007 at 7:37 pmOkay, so far we’ve got Candyce covering Kay Hutchinson for an undisclosed amount, and RUCerious has $50 riding on Ted “The Internets” Stevens, both excellent choices, BTW. Who’s next?
July 18th, 2007 at 7:38 pmRU: You actually cracked me up with your bet! Ted Stevens can barely lift a finger no less his you know what. Levity is good for the soul.
July 18th, 2007 at 7:38 pmIf Flynt is that shocked, then maybe it’s one of the illustrious candidates for prez?? Hmmm….still waiting to place my bet…cogitating really hard on this one.
July 18th, 2007 at 7:39 pmRepublic: Who are you placing your bet on? I may take your cue.
July 18th, 2007 at 7:39 pm“This is further proof that we are indeed fighting them here and why they will never admit its another terrorist attack.
Comment by sarah_nav”
Hey Sarah – I have a tin foil hat I would be willing to sell you. Actually you have it backwards. Bush would wet himself for another attack on our soil. Then he can declare his “emergency” and become the Dictator and Chief.
July 18th, 2007 at 7:40 pmTRoS, I’ll take Ted Stevens for $50.00
Comment by RUCerious — July 18, 2007 @ 7:33 pm
I don’t know. He reminds me of Strom Thurmond.
July 18th, 2007 at 7:40 pm#55 All Tweety needs now is a big bowtie and the morph will be complete.
July 18th, 2007 at 7:40 pmRepublic: Who are you placing your bet on? I may take your cue.
Comment by veritas
Trent Lott!
July 18th, 2007 at 7:41 pmHi Marie! How are you tonight? Isn’t it amazing how unglued Tweety seems to become when interviewing a woman. His new book deal which is somehow intertwined with Rotweiler Coulter’s was his lame excuse for providing a forum for that vile woman. His ratings took a deep dive after that one and he continues to act like a fool on his shows. What’s he taking these days?
July 18th, 2007 at 7:42 pmTRoS, I’ll take Ted Stevens for $50.00
Comment by RUCerious
ewww
July 18th, 2007 at 7:42 pmTrent Lott….hmmmm…I really can’t visualize him trysting the night away without his wig falling off though. Ugh…what a nasty visual that was! Phew.
July 18th, 2007 at 7:43 pmand around the campfire we just let it all hang out.
Comment by Ringo
Must be some “small logs” at that campfire.
July 18th, 2007 at 7:43 pmI need to take at the roster of Rethug players and see who has been throwing the biggest stones and lives in a glass house.
July 18th, 2007 at 7:43 pmUgh…what a nasty visual that was! Phew.
Comment by veritas
Well, then place your bet!
July 18th, 2007 at 7:43 pm“It’s actually in Monte Rio, near Sant Cruz….and we don’t wear dresses,we wear togas, like Romans.”
Ringo – you are as ignorant of your geography as you are about everything else. Monte Rio is not near Santa Cruz. It is in Sonoma County near the Russian River town of Gurneville.
BTW, what is your IQ? I’ll guess it’s somewhere around 70 by your posts.
July 18th, 2007 at 7:44 pmMust be some “small logs†at that campfire.
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity
Oscar Mayers
July 18th, 2007 at 7:46 pmSorry to interrupt everyone’s rightgeous indignation but my sense is that Matthews was being somewhat sarcastic.
July 18th, 2007 at 7:46 pmI’m placing my bet on Lindsay Graham, that vitriolic ultra rightwingnut! That’s my bet – Lindsay Graham.
July 18th, 2007 at 7:46 pmComment by The Republic of Stupidity — July 18, 2007 @ 7:28 pm
The scoreboard of seemingly infinite liberal failures, dolt.
July 18th, 2007 at 7:47 pmMust be some “small logs†at that campfire.
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity
Oscar Mayers
Comment by Raven
Vienna sausages.
July 18th, 2007 at 7:47 pmBTW, what is your IQ? I’ll guess it’s somewhere around 70 by your posts.
Comment by Katie
Oops, busted!
Okay, Ringo, seeing as you’re basically a good kid, we’re going to give you one chance to redeem yourself. Someone has been trying to tell us the last few days that the Saudis aren’t really Moslems. Seriously. What do you think of that?
July 18th, 2007 at 7:47 pmIt’s often the smarmy small men who couldn’t get a real date if they had to and must pay for sex.
July 18th, 2007 at 7:47 pmThe trial is over. She can talk about it, the same way she could have talked about who her source was rather than going to jail to protect members of the exectutive branch.
July 18th, 2007 at 7:47 pmAnd I think it’s polish kielbasa myself.
July 18th, 2007 at 7:48 pmOscar Mayers
Comment by Raven
Cocktail franks? That’ll bring Mr P on the run.
July 18th, 2007 at 7:48 pmI’m placing my bet on Lindsay Graham, that vitriolic ultra rightwingnut! That’s my bet – Lindsay Graham.
Comment by veritas
Did the DC Madam have gay escorts?
July 18th, 2007 at 7:48 pm#80 That’s Tweety’s little trick. He asks the questions and simultaneously provides cover. His schtick is really getting old and tired.
July 18th, 2007 at 7:48 pmVienna sausages.
Comment by Candyce
LOL … lots better!
(Midget gherkins, anyone?)
July 18th, 2007 at 7:49 pmCandyce: Is he gay? I didn’t know that. Geez….maybe I don’t have a chance of winning now…drat.
July 18th, 2007 at 7:49 pmI think Judith is claiming Executive Privilege.
July 18th, 2007 at 7:50 pmThe scoreboard of seemingly infinite liberal failures, dolt.
Comment by CT_V1
Huh? You can’t place a bet on that. This field is limited to “Repube Senators About To Be Outted By Larry Flynt”. Now, place your bet, son.
July 18th, 2007 at 7:50 pmhow about “beanie weenies”?
July 18th, 2007 at 7:50 pmCandyce: Is he gay?
Comment by veritas
Heck, I don’t know. Just say I have a gut feeling.
July 18th, 2007 at 7:50 pmI’m placing my bet on Lindsay Graham, that vitriolic ultra rightwingnut! That’s my bet – Lindsay Graham.
Comment by veritas
Did the DC Madam have gay escorts?
Comment by Candyce — July 18, 2007 @ 7:48 pm
That’s why it’s so shocking.
Graham is actually bi-sexual.
Who’d have thought?
July 18th, 2007 at 7:51 pmbaby corn
July 18th, 2007 at 7:51 pmlmao!
cocktail franks and beenie weenies!
July 18th, 2007 at 7:52 pmDid the DC Madam have gay escorts?
Comment by Candyce
Or, as they say on “Deadwood”, specialty acts? I guess we’ll be finding out anyday now.
So far, we’ve got Kay Hutchinson, Ted Stevens, Trent Lott, and Lindsay Graham. Who else?
Now, some poeple want to put money on “Mr P and Ringo are Secret Lovers”, but that’s a different pool, so to speak. Can’t cover that bet here.
July 18th, 2007 at 7:53 pmOver at C & L, they’re giving away a free tee shirt to the one who “names that Senator”. Guess my pick is tubed already.
July 18th, 2007 at 7:53 pmI dispise Republicans so much that I’ve drawn a mental block on some of the biggest hypocrites….help me out here guys.
July 18th, 2007 at 7:54 pmWell, if Flynt is shocked, my money is on Kay Hutchinson.
Comment by Candyce — July 18, 2007 @ 7:30 pm
Norm “Kinky” Coleman wouldn’t be a shocker. So how about Liddy Dole or pious Joe Liarman?
July 18th, 2007 at 7:54 pmWhy does just looking at a picture of Matthews and Miller want to make me vomit? These two are an example of how screwed-up this country has become. Why does my paperback dictionary keep turning to pages containing “pimp” and “whore”?
July 18th, 2007 at 7:55 pmGraham is actually bi-sexual.
Who’d have thought?
Comment by Egreggious
Side-bet!!! If that turns out to be true, who’s going to be more embarrassed, the mwen or the women involved?
July 18th, 2007 at 7:55 pmIf Graham is bi, then perhaps my first gut feeling may be a good one? I’ll stick with Lindsey, the whiner, Graham.
July 18th, 2007 at 7:55 pmNow, some poeple want to put money on “Mr P and Ringo are Secret Loversâ€, but that’s a different pool, so to speak. Can’t cover that bet here.
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity
That pool comes with a well-oiled cabana boy.
July 18th, 2007 at 7:55 pmI see we have a vote for Holy Joe. Now that sounds true to his nickname and could be the winner. Who’s got the list of bets?
July 18th, 2007 at 7:56 pmOver at C & L, they’re giving away a free tee shirt to the one who “names that Senatorâ€. Guess my pick is tubed already.
Comment by veritas
We should have our own contest!
My guess is Tom Coburn of OK.
July 18th, 2007 at 7:56 pmThat pool comes with a well-oiled cabana boy.
Comment by Candyce
Ouch… good one.
Side-bet, side-bet!!! Who gets on top, Ringo or Mr P?
July 18th, 2007 at 7:57 pmActually, Flynt’s discovery of 30 well known Republicans on the list is the most exciting news of the day. Our fun bet here takes a close second.
July 18th, 2007 at 7:57 pmComment by veritas — July 18, 2007 @ 7:55 pm
Oh it’s still a good bet! Anyone that sanctimonious has a good shot at it.
July 18th, 2007 at 7:57 pmSo we have Trent Lott, Hutchinson, Tom Coburn, Holy Joe Lieberman, Lindsay Graham, Liddy Dole…..
July 18th, 2007 at 7:59 pmOver at C & L, they’re giving away a free tee shirt to the one who “names that Senatorâ€. Guess my pick is tubed already.
Comment by veritas
Cheap skates. A t-shirt indeed!
Now, someone got Lie-berman, which is a fabulous choice. Norm Coleman? Too obvious!
July 18th, 2007 at 7:59 pmCandyce: Yes, you never know and Graham has certainly been on a rant lately. Just viewing his losing it with Webb the other day, maybe his conscience is gnawing at him big time?
July 18th, 2007 at 8:00 pmWhat a pair of a$$es ! This, from the let’em eat cake crew.
July 18th, 2007 at 8:00 pmI think a tshirt would be a great idea. We can each send a “team tee” from our respective states/regions/areas. What do you think?
July 18th, 2007 at 8:01 pmJudy Miller is a disgrace. Why is she even on TV? Our MSM is so far beyond decay and bankruptcy, it literally does the complete opposite of informing the public.
July 18th, 2007 at 8:02 pmLiddy “The Joker” Dole? Good choice.
So, the list is now:
Kay Hutchinson
Ted Stevens
Trent Lott
Lindsay Graham
Joe Lie-berman
Liddy Dole
Norm Coleman
Anybody want Orrin Hatch? Did the DC Madam have sheep on the menu?
July 18th, 2007 at 8:02 pmOr the winner can just receive ongoing kudos and accolades all day on TP from those who participated? Certainly we can fete the winner with that.
July 18th, 2007 at 8:02 pmComment by The Republic of Stupidity — July 18, 2007 @ 7:53 pm
Yes, some Republics need to pay in order to get some. Demos, however, tend to cross the big line and have lawsuits (harassment, etc.) and criminal charges filed against them in order to get theirs.
So much more ethical, heh?
July 18th, 2007 at 8:02 pmHatch-man! Good one for someone looking to get in on this bet.
July 18th, 2007 at 8:03 pmHmmm… Mr P and Ringo seem to have disappeared.
Someone go check the poolhouse. And where’d that cabana boy go?
July 18th, 2007 at 8:03 pmRepublic: I can’t even type with your last comment….I am rolling on the floor. ewe, ewe…eeeeeeewwww.
July 18th, 2007 at 8:04 pmComment by The Republic of Stupidity — July 18, 2007 @ 8:02 pm
I picked Tom Coburn at #103.
July 18th, 2007 at 8:04 pmOkay! veritas is going w/ Orrin Hatch! Good choice, good choice.
July 18th, 2007 at 8:04 pm#53: The only way Ted Stevens would pay a hooker is if she agreed to renovate his home.
July 18th, 2007 at 8:05 pmI picked Tom Coburn at #103.
Comment by Zooey
Okay, Zooey’s got Coburn. Sorry I missed ya.
July 18th, 2007 at 8:06 pmThe only way Ted Stevens would pay a hooker is if she agreed to renovate his home.
Comment by J Lewd
hahaha!! Very nice.
July 18th, 2007 at 8:06 pm#53: The only way Ted Stevens would pay a hooker is if she agreed to renovate his home.
Comment by J Lewd
There’s an old joke about that one.
“You’ll do ANYTHING for $50?? Paint my house!”
July 18th, 2007 at 8:07 pmewe, ewe…eeeeeeewwww.
Comment by veritas
Sorry man, and I’m not even drinking…
July 18th, 2007 at 8:07 pmI want to pick another one!
Bill Sali of Idaho. :)
July 18th, 2007 at 8:09 pmPat Roberts.
His particular fantasy was playing one of the shepherds in the nativity scene.
July 18th, 2007 at 8:10 pmAnd call me a sicko, but if it surprises Larry Flynt, my money would be on Senator Tim Johnson of SD.
July 18th, 2007 at 8:10 pmI keep trying to remember who was sweating the most last night…
other than Vitter.
(and Ted Kennedy, but that’s another story).
July 18th, 2007 at 8:11 pmOr was it playing WITH one of the shepherds?
July 18th, 2007 at 8:11 pmIt was kind of hard to tell, what with him always hanging out behind the donkey…
Yes, some Republics need to pay in order to get some. Demos, however, tend to cross the big line and have lawsuits (harassment, etc.) and criminal charges filed against them in order to get theirs.
So much more ethical, heh?
Comment by CT_V1
You mean, this kind of lawsuit – Rep. Don Sherwood (R-PA), whose affair became public when his ex-mistress filed a lawsuit alleging abuse – ???
July 18th, 2007 at 8:12 pmPat Roberts.
His particular fantasy was playing one of the shepherds in the nativity scene.
Comment by Raven
Ohhh, Pat Roberts – good one!
July 18th, 2007 at 8:13 pmSweating…
John McCain’s ass.
July 18th, 2007 at 8:14 pmSo, the list is now:
Kay Hutchinson
Ted Stevens
Trent Lott
Lindsay Graham
Joe Lie-berman
Liddy Dole
Norm Coleman
Anybody want Orrin Hatch? Did the DC Madam have sheep on the menu?
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity
I wouldn’t doubt that Norm Kinky Coleman is on the Madam’s phone number list, but he shouldn’t be on this one, as I doubt his name would
July 18th, 2007 at 8:14 pmshock Larry Flynt. I’ve already nominated Liddy Dole and Joe Liarman, but how about James In-hoax?
And call me a sicko, but if it surprises Larry Flynt, my money would be on Senator Tim Johnson of SD.
Comment by J Lewd
Flynt said he’s only outing those who are hypocrites. I don’t think Johnson was one of those yapping about other’s behavior, was he?
July 18th, 2007 at 8:14 pmThe Republic of Stupidity:
Help me out here, but isn’t there an old Lenny Bruce joke about a bunch of hookers flying up to Alaska because they heard they could get paid hundreds of dollars to talk about sex? Maybe they also talked home improvements.
I’ll look for it and report back.
July 18th, 2007 at 8:14 pmBill Sali of Idaho. :)
Comment by Zooey
Okay. Zooey has Bill Sali of Idaho.
July 18th, 2007 at 8:15 pmHelp me out here, but isn’t there an old Lenny Bruce joke about a bunch of hookers flying up to Alaska because they heard they could get paid hundreds of dollars to talk about sex? Maybe they also talked home improvements.
I’ll look for it and report back.
Comment by J Lewd
I know Lenny Bruce’s material and he was a very funny man, but I don’t know that one.
July 18th, 2007 at 8:16 pmZooey:
I was trying to be funny. You know. . . Johnson. . . stroke (sound of crickets).
I better sit down ’cause it looks like my standup career is over.
July 18th, 2007 at 8:16 pmOk, if we can pick more than one, I’ll take another long shot, but with very high hopes for the ensuing hijinx!
McCain.
July 18th, 2007 at 8:17 pmWhy the delay in revealing the name?
C’mon, Flynt, light the fire!
July 18th, 2007 at 8:18 pmJames In-hoax?
Comment by Lora
Yeah, Imhofe is a god choice.
Hmmm, Flynt says he has 30 names. There are only 48 Repube Senators. maybe we sould bet on who didn’t make that list, and will they be embarrassed to have made it or not made it?
July 18th, 2007 at 8:18 pmI better sit down ’cause it looks like my standup career is over.
Comment by J Lewd
Sorry, I’m tired. Istayed up too late with the Senators, and these goofballs, last night. :)
July 18th, 2007 at 8:18 pm“No Lips Mitch” naked except for his boot and spurs, at a Leather Club, with Sen. Empty Lott riding him ,also naked except for his large sombrero!Please, for the Childrens sake, don’t try and visualise!
July 18th, 2007 at 8:19 pmMcCain.
Comment by Candyce
Oh yeah. Good one.
Flynt is probably out placing bets all over the country in pools just like this one. Okay, which one of you is Larry Flynt?
And where are Mr P and Ringo? Or Jake, for that matter? Hmmm…
July 18th, 2007 at 8:20 pmArlen Specter!
July 18th, 2007 at 8:20 pmI better sit down ’cause it looks like my standup career is over.
Comment by J Lewd
Practice, m’boy, practice…
July 18th, 2007 at 8:21 pmOr Daryll?
This is right up his alley.
July 18th, 2007 at 8:21 pmIstayed up too late with the Senators, and these goofballs, last night. :)
Comment by Zooey
It was a good game though…
July 18th, 2007 at 8:21 pmSenators : 1
Goofballs : 1,172
McCain — that’s a hoot. You’d have a better bet with Abe Simpson.
“One way to get rid of them is to tell ‘em stories that dont go anywhere. Like the time we went over to Shelbyville during the war. I wore an onion on my belt, which was the style at the time — you couldn’t get those white ones; you could only get those big yellow ones. . . now where was I? Oh yeah: the important thing was I was wearing an onion on my belt, which was the style at the time — you couldn’t get those. . . .
July 18th, 2007 at 8:22 pmIt was a good game though…
Senators : 1
Goofballs : 1,172
Comment by Raven
Oy, no wonder I’m tired!
July 18th, 2007 at 8:23 pmnow where was I? Oh yeah: the important thing was I was wearing an onion on my belt, which was the style at the time — you couldn’t get those. . . .
Comment by J Lewd
Okay, anyone who quotes Abe Simpson at TP scores points!
July 18th, 2007 at 8:25 pmSenators : 1
Goofballs : 1,172
Comment by Raven
We did run up the score a little, didn’t we?
July 18th, 2007 at 8:25 pmThis is right up his alley.
Comment by Egreggious
“Up his alley?” I was waiting for someone to make that bad joke.
July 18th, 2007 at 8:27 pmI thought this was funny:
From Maria Bartiromo’s interview of Condi Rice in the current issue of BusinessWeek:
MB: Would you consider a position in business or on Wall Street?
July 18th, 2007 at 8:27 pmCR: I don’t know what I’ll do long-term. I’m a terrible long-term planner.
I’m a terrible long-term planner.
Comment by Egreggious — July 18, 2007
Sh8t, that explains why she’s in the Bush WH!
July 18th, 2007 at 8:29 pmI felt they should get a room in the back of the nearest Motel 6….Tweety loves the sound of his own voice, and Judith has a new friend. He’s nearly as awful as Tucker “Nancy Grace” Carlson. I guess I’ll just watch Vanna till Keith arrives…
July 18th, 2007 at 8:29 pmYeah, Harry Reid brought the only run in for the Senators when he pulled the Defense Authorization Bill from further consideration.
July 18th, 2007 at 8:29 pmI got to go back to work, folks.
Someone has to keep track of the betting for a while.
If Mr P shows his face, tell him Ringo has his wallet. He left it at the poolhouse by accident earlier.
July 18th, 2007 at 8:31 pmOr Daryll?
This is right up his alley.
Comment by Egreggious
Daryll might be on the other list, you know, the providers…
July 18th, 2007 at 8:32 pmHis specialty is crucifixions.
And how much media coverage did Matthews give to Dan Rather? But this LYING FELONIOUS reporter gets a loving interview? Dan Rather reported the TRUTH with documents that AT THE TIME HE WAS LED TO BELIEVE WERE GENUINE and which, to this day, HAVE NOT BEEN PROVEN FORGERIES!!! But Judy Shill-For-Invasion Miller gets the red carpet treatment!
July 18th, 2007 at 8:33 pmFolks with this kind of media coverage PROGRESSIVES DO NOT STAND A CHANCE of regaining true control of this nation’s direction!!!
And who makes the editorial and production decisions at the major networks?
Z I O N I S T J E W S. They have been steering this country towards the wealth of the so-called conservative right, at least since Irving Thalberg and L B Mayer destroyed Upton Sinclair’s Democratic gubernatorial bid for California in 1934.
Does this sound anti-Semitic?
Consider how many great civilizations have been destroyed by the strangulation of a controlling elite, ethnic minority…ask the Vietnamese how they enjoyed the constant assaults by the ethnic Chinese for 2,000 years, or the German tribes the Roman legions, or the how the Indians enjoyed Judeo-Christian British control, how the Koreans and Manchurians enjoyed Japanese Manchukuo, etc. etc.
The media is the message, and who controls the media? Who gives Judith Miller her ink space? Matthews his airtime, Glen Beck his? etc. etc.
What? No one has picked Sam Brownback?
I get Brownback!!!
July 18th, 2007 at 8:41 pmThe approval rating of the Democrat congress has dipped to 14%.
July 18th, 2007 at 8:56 pmThe approval rating of the Democrat congress has dipped to 14%.
Comment by The Captain — July 18, 2007 @ 8:56 pm
Ah jeez, not this again!
July 18th, 2007 at 8:58 pm“No Lips Mitch†naked except for his boot and spurs, at a Leather Club, with Sen. Empty Lott riding him ,also naked except for his large sombrero!Please, for the Childrens sake, don’t try and visualise!
Comment by Pee Wee — July 18, 2007 @ 8:19 pm
Your warning came too late. I don’t think I can have dinner tonight.
July 18th, 2007 at 9:04 pmTP is filibustered out.
July 18th, 2007 at 9:05 pm“The approval rating of the Democrat congress has dipped to 14%.”
Comment by The Captain
Which means approval for republicans is at approx. 6%. Time to break out the hats and hooters!
July 18th, 2007 at 9:08 pmTime to break out the hats and hooters!
Comment by barfly
Now, barfly
I do hope you mean those noisemakers and not….
;)
July 18th, 2007 at 9:13 pmBooooring….
Was last night’s all-nighter too much for you?
TP takes the day off.
Yawn…..
July 18th, 2007 at 9:19 pmVeritas, Hi to you too.
July 18th, 2007 at 9:24 pmI am on TP sporadically these days — too many interruptions, so if you reply to me and I don’t acknowledge, it’s because I had to leave the computer for a time.
Anyway, Tweety really makes a spectacle of himself when it comes to women doesn’t he?
He better watch it or he could end up in the company of Bill-o. I happened to see Olbermann lambaste OReilly for a particularly disgusting, perverted interview with a beauty contest winner, it was like Billo was getting off on the interview.
Tweety better learn to control himself or he will be as ridiculous as OLielly.
r-
TP didn’t even pull an all-nighter.
They bugged out before 1:00am.
Their stories today have been pretty good.
They are showing that the MSM is TOTALLY biased. (and hypocritical)
July 18th, 2007 at 9:26 pmAnd it especially hurts since this d-bag once worked for Tip O’Neil.
My bet is Jim DeMint (r- South Car.)
July 18th, 2007 at 9:27 pmThe approval rating of the Democrat congress has dipped to 14%.
Comment by The Captain — July 18, 2007 @ 8:56 pm
Actually, that’s not what the 14% is in that poll.
July 18th, 2007 at 9:29 pmI sympathize with you. And I sometimes even sympathize with Scooter Libby.
Birds of a feather….
July 18th, 2007 at 9:30 pmI’m hoping it will be someone like Jeff Sessions or that sanctimonius slob Cornyn. Either one would make my day. What would be really great if it happened to Jim (”no divorces and no gays in my family”) Imhofe.
Pee Wee that was hysterical. I wonder if Lott loses his hairpiece.
July 18th, 2007 at 9:58 pmThey bugged out before 1:00am.
Comment by trueblue
Who else bugged out before 1 a.m.? :D
July 18th, 2007 at 10:02 pmHey he looked sharp.like he was going somewhere and knew where that was 6-7 years ago.
July 18th, 2007 at 10:04 pmThen he seemd to get stuck on third and would never try and score, almost like he didn’t want to win.Maybe exactly like that.
For awhile it looked like he was searching for a signal.
Now he has forgotten all about the game and lives for the locker room activities where all you need to do is mingle, no thinking required.
Seeing that clip of Miller and Matthews turned my stomach. Why anyone would even think of having her on their show is crazy–this is the woman who really helped sell this war with her shoddy writing. She listened to everything Scooter and Rove told her and she wrote it without questioning her sources. Matthews treats her like she invented journalism.
Chris, get into your clown car that GE has provided you with and keep driving. That man is such a silly ass. Miller has slept with more men in DC than anyone else I know. She is a whore in every sense of the word.
July 18th, 2007 at 10:05 pmChris Matthews – the very FIRST Media Putz of the Week (for June 28, 2007). http://www.mediaputz.com/honorees.html
SOOOOOO well DESERVED!
PUTZ!!
July 18th, 2007 at 10:10 pmComment by tanglewood — July 18, 2007 @ 10:05 pm
“Miller has slept with more men in DC than anyone else I know. She is a whore in every sense of the word.”
But she has NEVER been a Whore MORE than she has been WITH and FOR the lying, corrupt, crooked, criminal NeoCons and their Lord Emperor of Vice, SiCKO DiCKO!
July 18th, 2007 at 10:15 pmThe dude is a co-conspirator to the crime of treason. He should be hung on the steps of the Capitol – and left hanging for all to see.
July 18th, 2007 at 10:19 pmZooey: Hadn’t thought Arlen Specter would be up to the challenge but wouldn’t that be fabulous? Also liked the post about it being MitchMcConnell or Ahole Inhofe – wouldn’t that be priceless?
This suspense is killing me! Then, of course, we have 29 more who may have administration positions but not be “senators”….hope so!
July 18th, 2007 at 10:19 pmIs Pete Domenici taken yet?
If so I’ll go with ex-Senator Bill Frist.
July 18th, 2007 at 10:19 pmI think Kay Bailey Hutchison is going to win someone a t-shirt though.
July 18th, 2007 at 10:21 pm#180 I hope that both Miller and Novak get their just desserts someday in all of this, too. I’d be embarrassed to walk on the street if I were either of them.
July 18th, 2007 at 10:21 pmTerry….Frist is a good choice! You may be right. He’s crooked enough to suspect.
July 18th, 2007 at 10:22 pmThis suspense is killing me! Then, of course, we have 29 more who may have administration positions but not be “senatorsâ€â€¦.hope so!
Comment by veritas
Did Flynt actually say “Senator?”
I’m trying to think of someone who would surprise Larry Flynt by being on the list.
Feingold? Noooooooooooooooo!!!!
July 18th, 2007 at 10:23 pmMitch McConnell w/ an S&M (M for McConnell)
July 18th, 2007 at 10:25 pmI’d be embarrassed to walk on the street if I were either of them.
Comment by veritas — July 18, 2007 @ 10:21 pm
If you were either of them, you couldn’t possibly be embarrassed (you need some semblance of a moral compass for that).
Although you’d probably be slightly acquainted with the word….
July 18th, 2007 at 10:35 pmBill Frist, with the leather teddy in the Watergate Hotel.
July 18th, 2007 at 10:38 pmYes, Zooey, he said there was one senator. You can see the entire interview on crooksandliars.com. He also said that there were 30 Republicans involved which I take to mean “visible Republicans” but not Senators since he singled out the one. He also said that his ad had 10X the response he’d anticipated. Check it out….it’s good!
July 18th, 2007 at 10:40 pmhttp://smirkingchimp.com/thread/8801
This is an interesting “take” on what’s currently occurring within the Democratic Party perhaps and at least helps assuage my concern about what’s currently going on – other than the Republican obstructionism.
July 18th, 2007 at 10:41 pmTerry: The visual is great – add to that he’s lip-synching “Let’s Frist again like we did last Summer, let’s Frist again like we did last year”.
July 18th, 2007 at 10:42 pmThanks veritas, I’ll be back later. Maybe the news will be out by then!
July 18th, 2007 at 10:44 pmGreg Samsa: :) Thanks! Time here on the east coast for some shut eye! Have fun tonight with the betting. Maybe tomorrow we’ll learn who it is and we can celebrate our winner. Peace!
July 18th, 2007 at 10:44 pmNight…Zooey. Keep the fires here burning!
July 18th, 2007 at 10:45 pmLarry Flynt told Larry King that he has at least 30 more names to release in his quest to expose Republican hypocrisy. And ye shall be shocked at a certain Senator that he has left unnamed so far. Sounds like a James Dobson/Wingnut/phony family values man to me….Hannity and his pals are probably feeling a little “uneasy†right about now…Ruth Marcus takes Vitter to the woodshed in this article…(Duncan found this one.)
July 18th, 2007 at 10:50 pmI’ve often thought the republic outrage at the Clinton Monica thing was that he didn’t have to pay for the sex. That must seem as unnatural to the hypocrits. The Vitter affair seems to bear that out. My vote: John Roberts buying time with Guckert.
July 18th, 2007 at 10:51 pmNow, barfly
I do hope you mean those noisemakers and not….
;)
Comment by trueblue
I was referencing Steely Dan’s “Josie.”
Mathews always gets me in a cynical mood, and Fagen’s lines always seem to resonate…
July 18th, 2007 at 11:18 pmAnd as far as the bet goes:
I will put my money on Inhofe, just because I would love to see that old twit eat his own words:
“My wife and I have been married 47 years. We have 20 kids and grandkids. I’m really proud to say that in the recorded history of our family, we’ve never had a divorce or any kind of homosexual relationship.”
What a moron.
July 18th, 2007 at 11:30 pmYou folks are nuttier than Aunt Betty’s Christmas loaf.
Comment by Ringo — July 18, 2007 @ 7:27 pm
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Yep. They sure are!
Comment by Mr. President
I know you’re trying to pay us back for the “Moslem Thing”.., snicker-snicker-ouch-snicker-ouch…, but you’re going to have to do better than that.
BTW, Ringo has your wallet… he said you left it in the poolhouse this afternoon.
July 18th, 2007 at 11:30 pmAnd now, we’ll be forced to sit on our thumbs while Turkey bombs the Kurdish areas, because they are using Bush’s “imminent threat” rationale:
By QASSIM ABDUL-ZAHRA
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BAGHDAD (AP) – The Iraqi government said Turkish artillery and warplanes bombarded areas of northern Iraq on Wednesday and called on Turkey to stop military operations and resolve the conflict diplomatically.
The claim occurred amid rising tension and Turkish threats to strike bases of the Kurdistan Workers Party or PKK, which has been launching attacks against targets in Turkey from sanctuaries in Iraq.
Government spokesman Ali al-Dabbagh told The Associated Press that the morning bombardment struck areas of the northern province of Dahuk, some 260 miles northwest of Baghdad.
Col. Hussein Kamal said about 250 shells were fired into Iraq from Turkey. He added that there were no casualties on the Iraqi side of the border.
“We have received reports that the Turkish government and the Turkish army have bombed border villages. The Iraqi government regrets the Turkish military operations of artillery and warplanes bombing against border cities and towns,” al-Dabbagh said.
“The Iraqi government calls for ceasing these operations and resorting to dialogue,” he said, insisting that Iraq wants “good relations with Turkey.”
Earlier Wednesday, Kurdish guerrillas staged a bomb attack against a military vehicle, killing two soldiers and wounding six others near the Iraqi border, the state-run Anatolia news agency said.
The attack occurred close to the Iraqi border, near the town of Cukurca in Hakkari province, Anatolia said. Military helicopters flew the injured to hospitals as military units in the region launched an operation to hunt down the attackers, it said.
Last week, Iraqi Foreign Minister Hoshyar Zebari said Turkey had massed 140,000 soldiers along the border – a figure the U.S. disputed. Zebari said troop levels in the region were often increased during the spring and summer in response to increased activity by PKK.
U.S. officials cast doubt on the figure.
Turkish officials have repeatedly said they are considering military operations against the PKK in Iraq, a move that the United States fears would cause further instability.
Al-Dabbagh said the Iraqi government is ready either for bilateral talks or three-way talks that will include the United States. He added that the PKK matter is not new but years-old.
“We have said before that we will not allow Iraq to become a launching pad for operations against Turkey or any other country,” al-Dabbagh said.
Washington says it is working with Turkey to combat the PKK but that it is focused on combatting insurgents opposing U.S. forces.
The PKK has escalated attacks this year, killing about 70 soldiers so far. More than 110 rebels were killed in the same period.
Turkey has been battling the PKK since 1984 in a conflict that has killed tens of thousands of people.
I seem to remember someone (Paul in LA, I believe it was) who said I was off base to suggest this would happen, back in March. He said that the Kurdish leaders would rein-in the Kurdish terrorists before this happened, and to buttress his argument, he stated that some “authority” named Galbraith was certain it wouldn’t occur. If Paul is on this thread, I have a Turkish sh*t sandwich waiting for your consumption.
July 18th, 2007 at 11:34 pm“CHRIS MATTHEWS…tonights worst person in the World”!!!!
K. Olbermann
July 18th, 2007 at 11:35 pm“…and Fagen’s lines always seem to resonate…”
Comment by barfly
“Gaucho” is an often appropriate tune these days.
July 18th, 2007 at 11:42 pmComment by Raven
Black Friday and Haitian Divorce are my favorites. And Bodhisatva, for the guitar solo.
July 18th, 2007 at 11:54 pmChris M. has been on the inside he doesn’t even know what the outside looks like anmore.
Sad, but true.
July 19th, 2007 at 12:08 amI think he meant for Scooter being the fall guy for Cheney.
Miller’s face lift is a bigger story.
July 19th, 2007 at 12:34 amShe should have gotten a new hairdo to go with the new face….
July 19th, 2007 at 12:40 amShe should have gotten a new hairdo to go with the new face….
Comment by Zooey — July 19, 2007 @ 12:40 am
I haven’t been following this thread.
Are you talking about Miller or Matthews?
July 19th, 2007 at 12:41 amquit watching the schmuck’s show.
July 19th, 2007 at 12:55 amquit watching the schmuck’s show.
Comment by thersitz — July 19, 2007 @ 12:55 am
Problem solved!
July 19th, 2007 at 12:57 amDo you people not digest the news when you get it?
Libby did not out Valarie Plame……… News Flash: Richard Armitage did.
July 19th, 2007 at 1:03 amYou all want Libby’s balls cut off for Treason but I have yet heard anyone call for prosecution against Armitage. The Lies you use to ACCUSE someone does not make them fact.
Special Prosecutor Fitzgerald knew this info before he ever talked to Libby….. he was going on a witch hunt. I’m thinking he should be tried for his actions in this manufactured conspriacy.
I have yet heard anyone call for prosecution against Armitage.
Now you have.
July 19th, 2007 at 1:10 amI like his show and will continue to watch it. Does Chris piss me off at times? Sure, but i think on balance that it’s better than most cable news talk shows.
July 19th, 2007 at 1:10 amLibby did not out Valarie Plame……… News Flash: Richard Armitage did.
You all want Libby’s balls cut off for Treason but I have yet heard anyone call for prosecution against Armitage. The Lies you use to ACCUSE someone does not make them fact.
Special Prosecutor Fitzgerald knew this info before he ever talked to Libby….. he was going on a witch hunt. I’m thinking he should be tried for his actions in this manufactured conspriacy.
Comment by Liberal See Liberal Do
Let me help you straighten out your thoughts. You seem a little confused.
1. Newsflash. Libby wasn’t on tiral for outing Plame. It was obstruction of justice. This trial was a “fact-based” process. There was a judge, appointed by Bush, who found Libby’s conduct outrageous, witnesses, evidence, and a jury that convicted.
2. If you haven’t heard anyone call for Armitage’s prosecution, you haven’t been listening. Google “armitage+prosecution” and you get 190K hits. Perhaps having your head up your… is the problem; it dampens sound. A troll explained that one to me.
3. The LIES? See above about judge, EVIDENCE, WITNESSES, etc.
4. As to what Fitz knew going in is speculation and that’s all.
5. Be tried? Oh pul-lease… Which law? And what’s “conspraicy”?
There. Much better. You can thank me later.
July 19th, 2007 at 1:18 amI think Matthews and O’reilly should do a show together. They are the same guy I think.
July 19th, 2007 at 1:19 amJuly 18, 2007
It’s Far Beyond a Few Judith Millers
A Free Press or a Ministry of Truth?
By PAUL CRAIG ROBERTS
In his novel 1984, George Orwell portrayed a future time in which the explanations of recent events and earlier history are continually changed to meet Big Brother’s latest purpose. Previous explanations disappear down “the memory hole.”
Sound familiar? Any American who pays attention can observe the identical phenomenon occurring in the US today.
Think about the Bush Regime’s changing explanations for the failed US occupation of Iraq. Shortly after Bush’s May 2003 announcement of “mission accomplished,” the mission revealed itself to be very much unaccomplished. Americans were told that the cause of the snafu was a small Sunni insurgency of two or three thousand at the most inspired by “die-hard Baath party remnants. Remember the propagandistic deck of cards identifying the most wanted down to the less wanted? Americans were assured that once Saddam Hussein and his relatives and henchmen were rounded up, our troops would be pelted with the promised flowers instead of roadside bombs.
When the roundups, trials, and executions failed to fix the problem, the “die-hard” explanation disappeared. A new explanation, with no continuity to the old, took its place.
The new explanation was that Syria was allowing foreigners to cross its border into Iraq to commit jihad against the American troops. This explanation lasted until it became all too clear, despite the propaganda, that the “foreign fighters” were remarkably well accepted by, and concealed within, the Iraqi communities that were suffering all the collateral damage of the conflict.
When it came time for the US to create an Iraqi government, it was evident that it would be one dominated by Shi’ites. Then, for a limited time, it was permissible to recognize that the insurgency was popularly based in the Sunnis.
As the insurgency evolved into what the Iraq Study Group described as a Sunni-Shi’ite civil war with US troops unclear on which side they stood, the Bush Regime and the captive media began blaming Al Qaeda for the escalating violence. Americans were assured by the Ministry of Truth that there wasn’t a civil war, just outsiders stirring up conflict. This enabled Big Brother to deny that there was a civil war and to revive fear of terrorist attacks in the US and UK, the new Oceania.
The Al Qaeda explanation was soon discarded into the memory hole. The explanation implied that Oceania’s invasion of Iraq had greatly expanded the ranks and strength of Al Qaeda, thus contradicting big Brother’s claim that his war in Iraq was making Oceanians safe by stamping out terrorism. The Al Qaeda explanation had to depart for another reason as well. Cheney, Israel, and the neocons, the rulers of the new Oceania, plan to attack Iran, and so the insurgency in Iraq is now being blamed on Iran.
The Ministry of Truth has accommodated the latest explanation, just as it did all others before, without remarking on the funeral of the previous explanation. All of a sudden, a new explanation appears and is repeated until it, too, goes down the memory hole.
The American and British media work the same way as the Ministry of Truth in Oceania. A day arrives when the “truth” no longer serves the empire or hegemonic power or center of moral purpose in the world, or for short, the regime. When that day arrives, a new explanation appears and is repeated until it, too, is discarded down the memory hole.
In recent weeks Americans have been fed a series of reports from official sources that Iran is arming both Iraqi insurgents and the Taliban in Afghanistan. Experts, both within the government and without, who have been made more attentive by the Bush Regime’s false charges of Iraqi weapons of mass destruction, have disputed the news reports.
But the reports keep on coming. As I write, the latest story is that the US military “discovered a field of rocket launchers near a US army base south of Baghdad armed with 34 Iranian-made missiles.” Can you imagine? The insurgents went to the trouble of lugging powerful missiles within striking distance of a US base and just left them there unfired to be discovered by the Americans. To further serve Cheney’s plan to attack Iran, the media report states: “Earlier this month, US commanders stepped up the charges [against Iran], claiming that senior leaders of Iran’s special forces and of the Lebanese Shiite Hezbollah militia have trained Iraqi fighters and provided other support.”
Notice that none of the explanations fed to Americans over the years have ever mentioned, even as a faint possibility, that the US invasion and occupation of Iraq might be the cause of the violence in Iraq.
Allegedly, the US is a free and open country with a free press and a government accountable to the people. Yet, the information fed to the American people is as thoroughly false as that fed to the citizens of Oceania by Big Brother through the Ministry of Truth in Orwell’s famous novel.
In Orwell’s novel, despite the totalitarian power of the government, nothing happens to people as long as they accept the government’s intrusive monitoring of their lives and do not become interested in truth or facts.. In such a world, truth and individuality pass out of human consciousness and become unimportant. Citizens survive by accepting Big Brother’s ever-changing reality.
This is what the mainstream media in the US and UK are enabling the new Oceania to accomplish. It is pointless to complain about a few Judith Millers here and there at the New York Times, or the obvious warmongers at the Weekly Standard, Fox “News,” and Wall Street Journal editorial page. The entire corporate media is behaving as a Ministry of Truth.
http://www.counterpunch.com/roberts07182007.html
July 19th, 2007 at 1:20 am“…Mathews shows a tiny bit of sympathy for Libby and all of a sudden this life-long Lefty is a stooge for the right?
You folks are nuttier than Aunt Betty’s Christmas loaf.
Comment by Ringo — July 18, 2007 @ 7:27 pm
Ringer, Ringer, Ringer – Media Putz Matthews, is a “life long Lefty?”
The Media Putz (http://www.mediaputz.com/honorees.html), who has a major (for him) ejaculation at the very mention of Alzheimer’s victim Ronald Reagan, who schmoozes with and fawns over, every NeoCon, NeoCon clone, and NeoCon whore, and who invites on his program every Nixon re-tread (including felon G. Gordon Liddy) he can find alive and out of jail, this PUTZ is a LEFTY?
NOW who is “nuttier than Aunt Betty’s Christmas loaf?”
And, of course NeoCon troll, Mr. Pee, AGREES with Ringer Troll.
Yep. They sure are!
Comment by Mr. President — July 18, 2007 @ 11:15 pm
These two trolls are nuttier than Media Putz Matthews and Media Whore Miller! And THAT puts the trolls in the “NeoCon Stooge” section of the Guinness Book of World Records!
Geez……
July 19th, 2007 at 1:22 amIf you think Matthews and O’Reilly are even remotely similar, you need to sober up.
July 19th, 2007 at 1:29 am“Newsflash. Libby wasn’t on tiral for outing Plame. It was obstruction of justice.”
Oh just like Clinton… was you calling for Some prison time there?
Please check all your liberal blogs, they still think there is some kind of cover up and there must be a reson Libby outted Plame.
Hey dumbass of those 190K hits how many come from a netural or liberal site?
As far as when did Fitzgerald know… he knew almost 2 years before that is not subject to speculation… he was even investigated.
July 19th, 2007 at 1:35 amComment by Sandy — July 19, 2007 @ 1:20 am
GREAT article by Paul Craig Roberts, Sandy! Roberts NAILS the current situation.
His description of the “entire corporate media… behaving as a Ministry of Truth, explains why faux jouranlists and pundits like Matthews the Putz and Miller the Whore continue to stay employed, even though their entire, tired routines consist of NeoCon and “Ministry of Truth” talking points!
July 19th, 2007 at 1:36 amComment by Liberal see Liberal Do — July 19, 2007 @ 1:35 am
Did you mention that Karl Rove was just as guilty a Armitage of outing Plame? Novak, after all, had two sources for his article.
July 19th, 2007 at 1:40 am*as guilty as Armitage*
July 19th, 2007 at 1:43 amZooey,
Looks like you’re too late.
Nothing but crickets here.
Now that was easy.
July 19th, 2007 at 1:46 am*as guilty as Armitage*
Comment by Egreggious
MDD
:)
July 19th, 2007 at 1:46 amDamn, you skeered him off.
Well done!
July 19th, 2007 at 1:48 amIt seems awful quiet.
Maybe we should call it a night.
[Not that you aren't wonderful company]. :)
July 19th, 2007 at 1:49 amArmitage acknowledged that he had passed along to Novak information contained in a classified State Department memo: that Wilson’s wife worked on weapons-of-mass-destruction issues at the CIA. (The memo made no reference to her undercover status.) Armitage had met with Novak in his State Department office on July 8, 2003—just days before Novak published his first piece identifying Plame.
July 19th, 2007 at 1:50 am“In my sworn testimony, I said what I have contended in my columns and on television: Joe Wilson’s wife’s role in instituting her husband’s mission was revealed to me in the middle of a long interview with an official who I have previously said was not a political gunslinger,” Novak wrote.
That person was Richard Armitage
If Fitzgerald had something on Rove why wouldn’t he have prosecuted?
Rove confirmed Valerie’s identity to Novak.
Now you can split hairs if you want to, but I don’t think a person should even confirm or deny any covert agent’s status to someone without the clearance to know.
July 19th, 2007 at 1:54 amIf Fitzgerald had something on Rove why wouldn’t he have prosecuted?
Comment by Liberal see Liberal Do — July 19, 2007 @ 1:50 am
I can only speculate as to why. It may well be at Libby (and others) have so obstructed the pursuit of justice that a prosecutable case cannot yet be made.
My understanding is that the investigation has not yet been closed.
July 19th, 2007 at 1:56 amNobody was charged with OUTTING her because she was not Covert and therefore no crime was committed.
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2005/11/4/120953.shtml
July 19th, 2007 at 1:57 amNobody was charged with OUTTING her because she was not Covert and therefore no crime was committed.
Comment by LIberal See Liberal Do — July 19, 2007 @ 1:57 am
Your president doesn’t appear to agree with you.
July 19th, 2007 at 1:58 amAccordng to your link, Fitzgerald did not say she was not covert.
July 19th, 2007 at 2:00 amIf Fitzgerald had something on Rove why wouldn’t he have prosecuted?
Comment by Liberal see Liberal Do — July 19, 2007 @ 1:50 am
Because Libby obstructed justice so that Fitzgerald couldn’t get to the evidence. Libby isn’t a felon for simple perjury. He also obstructed justice, and he should be in jail, but the current corrupt, crooked president intervened.
I wish you NeoCon trolls would pay attention to current events.
July 19th, 2007 at 2:00 amhttp://www.nationalreview.com/mccarthy/mccarthy200507180801.asp
That makes for some interesting reading. Not only was she not covert but had been outted years earlier by hte Agency she worked for. LOL
July 19th, 2007 at 2:01 amFunny that the CIA woud request that the DOJ investigate this matter if they knew Plame’s status was not a secret.
July 19th, 2007 at 2:03 amLibby did not out Valarie(SIC) Plame……… News Flash: Richard Armitage did.
You all want Libby’s balls cut off for Treason but I have yet heard anyone call for prosecution against Armitage. The Lies you use to ACCUSE someone does not make them fact.
Special Prosecutor Fitzgerald knew this info before he ever talked to Libby….. he was going on a witch hunt. I’m thinking he should be tried for his actions in this manufactured conspriacy.
Comment by Liberal See Liberal Do — July 19, 2007 @ 1:03 am
I’m quite sure I read this exact same message written under a different troll name a few weeks ago. Either it is the same troll under a different name (such as the various fake Dem presidents we had here not so long ago) or else this troll has cut and pasted another troll’s words–in other words, plagiarism a la conservatard.
July 19th, 2007 at 2:03 amLibby isn’t a felon for simple perjury. He also obstructed justice, and he should be in jail
Should Bill be sharing a cell with him?
July 19th, 2007 at 2:04 amWhat about Sandy Berger?
I doubt you saw this same message a few weeks ago. Maybe some of the same thoughts but not from me. I have’nt been on this site for a few months untill yesterday. I was using Steve as a user name but there were a few of those and I wanted to make sure I was unique.
July 19th, 2007 at 2:08 amHere is the sentencing memorandum where Fitzgerald wrote that “[a]t the time of the leaks, Ms. Wilson in fact qualified as a ‘covert agent’ within the meaning of the IIPA”
July 19th, 2007 at 2:09 amOther talking points are debunked here:
http://mediamatters.org/issues_topics/cia_leak_investigation
Happy reading.
July 19th, 2007 at 2:10 am“Should Bill be sharing a cell with him?
What about Sandy Berger?”
Comment by Liberal See Liberal Do — July 19, 2007 @ 2:04 am
When confronted with the TRUTH about one of their NeoCon bed buddies, the trolls in here ALWAYS try to change the subject.
My three year-old son used to do that when I caught him breaking the rules: But my brother did it too, and you didn’t punish him (not knowing what might have occurred with his brother).
The three year-old mentality of trolls in here just gets more and more disgusting.
UNDER THE BRIDGE MENTALLY-CHALLENGED TROLL, NeoCon Do Neo Con Lie!!
July 19th, 2007 at 2:13 amThe most important thing in the Joe Wilson-Valerie Plame Wilson story is rarely mentioned:
Bush lied in the Jan 2003 State of the Union Speech when he said Iraq tried to obtained uranium from Africa. The Niger documents were known to be poor forgeries eleven months before the SOTU. That is why the CIA removed the lie from previous speeches.
Joe Wilson wrote an op-ed explaining the lie. He was the one who was sent by Cheney’s office to Niger. He was very well qualified. He was not chosen by his wife. The outing of his wife was retaliation against and discrediting of Joe Wilson for telling the truth.
The CIA is the one who brought the charges of outing a covert agent.
Bush’s lie in the SOTU is kinda important since it led to the deaths of one million people, will cost American taxpayers $2.3 TRILLION, and was a tremendous gift to the terrorists (according to the 16 intelligence agencies of the US).
July 19th, 2007 at 2:15 amComment by hterrya — July 19, 2007 @ 2:13 am
I don’t even dignify “Clinton did it too” arguments with an answer anymore. It’s not even an argument.
July 19th, 2007 at 2:15 amComment by Keith G — July 19, 2007 @ 2:15 am
Thank you, Keith.
July 19th, 2007 at 2:16 amComment by Liberal See Liberal Do — July 19, 2007 @ 2:04 am
Yeah, they should all sit in jail.
Although I seem to remember Berger was sentenced, after a guilty plea, to two years’ probation. His sentence was not commuted and he was not pardoned.
I also seem to remember Clinton was acquitted by the Senate of obstructing justice.
Libby, on the other hand, was found guilty and sentenced to serve two years in prison.
July 19th, 2007 at 2:17 amI doubt you saw this same message a few weeks ago. Maybe some of the same thoughts but not from me. I have’nt(SIC) been on this site for a few months untill(SIC) yesterday. I was using Steve as a user name but there were a few of those and I wanted to make sure I was unique.
Comment by Liberal See Liberal Do — July 19, 2007 @ 2:08 am
So are you saying that I have ESP, Steve LSD? I saw the same message even down to the misspelling of Valerie Plame’s name and the assertion that Fitgerald should be tried. Of course, since you neoCONs tend to think in lockstep, I won’t deny the possibility that someone else wrote the same thing. (And it’s also still possible that you cut and pasted it.)
July 19th, 2007 at 2:17 amI love how you gave as a “reliable source” MediaMax, which runs advertisements for male organ enhancement drugs–something I thought only sleazy spammers dealt with. Yes, MediaMax and the National Review over the Director of the CIA, who confirmed Plame’s covert status! I wish I could write LOL, but I’m too tired of this hackneyed BS even to laugh.
Great work, Egg & Keith G!
July 19th, 2007 at 2:17 amOy, Gregor & Lora, as well. :)
July 19th, 2007 at 2:18 amLibby and Armitage were two of seven (obviously working under intructions from higher up) who outed Valerie Plame Wilson as many times as they possibly could to whomever would listen.
July 19th, 2007 at 2:18 amI don’t even dignify “Clinton did it too†arguments with an answer anymore. It’s not even an argument.
Comment by Egreggious — July 19, 2007 @ 2:15 am
You are absolutely right, Egreggious, but I had so much fun calling the distracting, nasty troll, “NeoCon Do NeoCon Lie!”
July 19th, 2007 at 2:18 amComment by Gregor Samsa — July 19, 2007 @ 2:17 am
Or you can nullify their argument with a swift and lethal blow back!
July 19th, 2007 at 2:19 amHey Zooey,
It’s a difficult job trying to do the understanding for these trools. Or is it only one troll with several personalities?
July 19th, 2007 at 2:21 amEgreggious, Did you read the memo?
The subnotes make it questionable if she was convert…. plus by reading this info as dire as it seems…. why was Richard Armitage cleared? He admitted to identifing her as a CIA agent. But no charges…. maybe like I said before… no crime.
July 19th, 2007 at 2:22 amI love how you gave as a “reliable source†MediaMax.
Comment by Lora — July 19, 2007 @ 2:17 am
I felt guilty using Media Matters as my “reliable source”.
With all of their links to prove their points, a person could spend years there learning the truth.
July 19th, 2007 at 2:22 amLibby and Armitage were two of seven (obviously working under intructions from higher up) who outed Valerie Plame Wilson as many times as they possibly could to whomever would listen.
Comment by Keith G
And they are not prosecuted because of the lies of Libby and others — obstruction of justice.
July 19th, 2007 at 2:22 amNeoCon Do NeoCon Lie!
Hey, that is fun!
July 19th, 2007 at 2:23 amhterrya,
I was just going to say my 6yo is still in this “but… but… my brother did it too!” mode.
I put the mental age & maturity of these trolls at around, er, oh, 8yo.
July 19th, 2007 at 2:24 amHey Zooey,
It’s a difficult job trying to do the understanding for these trools. Or is it only one troll with several personalities?
Comment by Keith G
People seem to think it’s only a few trolls, but I think it’s a lot of them. No one can change commenting style so consistently.
Sad, really….
You are kind to try to explain so politely. :)
July 19th, 2007 at 2:25 amNeoCon Do NeoCon Lie, seems to have staked his life on Plame “not being covert.” Libby did too, and if it weren’t for the current corrupt, crooked president, he would be going to jail.
July 19th, 2007 at 2:26 amCan someone explain to the trolls that obstructing justice is a crime in itself, regardless of whether or not there was an “underlying crime”?
You can use stick figures, and playdough if you think it will help.
Thanks in advance.
July 19th, 2007 at 2:26 amZooey who else lied?
July 19th, 2007 at 2:26 amWith all of their links to prove their points, a person could spend years there learning the truth.
Comment by Egreggious
The trolls scream about Media Matters as a liberal source. It’s just actual words, quotes and video, so it can’t possibly be reliable. Heh.
July 19th, 2007 at 2:27 amSusan MacDougal spent 22 months in tough prisons because she refused to lie about the Clintons in the big non-crime of Whitewater (they lost a few bucks in a condo deal twenty-five years before his presidency).
July 19th, 2007 at 2:27 amSomebody help me here.
I have heard two stories, that the investigation is over, and that the investigation is still open.
If it’s still open, I guess we’re still waiting for indictments.
If closed, I guess the obstruction kept Fitzgeald from producing a prosecutable case, at ths time.
July 19th, 2007 at 2:27 amZooey who else lied?
Comment by Liberal See Liberal Do
All of them lied.
July 19th, 2007 at 2:28 am“I put the mental age & maturity of these trolls at around, er, oh, 8yo.”
Comment by Gregor Samsa — July 19, 2007 @ 2:24 am
Nah, Gregor, you’re giving them waaaaaay to much credit. They are three year-olds, TOPS! {:-)
July 19th, 2007 at 2:28 amI hear that the investigation is not finished. There can be more charges. From several sources and now I can’t remember who.
July 19th, 2007 at 2:30 amI like being called a troll. LOL What does that make you?
July 19th, 2007 at 2:30 amA group of weak-minded people who have to hear other people saying the same things as themselves day after day with no chance of debate…. unless the trolls arrive?
If it’s still open, I guess we’re still waiting for indictments.
If closed, I guess the obstruction kept Fitzgeald from producing a prosecutable case, at ths time.
Comment by Egreggious — July 19, 2007 @ 2:27 am
I read somewhere that Fitz is keeping the file open, and the investigation active.
Sorry, I don’t have time to find where he said that. My son wants on the computer soon.
July 19th, 2007 at 2:30 amwith no chance of debate…. unless the trolls arrive?
Comment by Liberal See Liberal Do
My seventh-grade debates were on a far, far higher level.
July 19th, 2007 at 2:32 amI like being called a troll. LOL What does that make you?
A group of weak-minded people who have to hear other people saying the same things as themselves day after day with no chance of debate…. unless the trolls arrive?
Comment by Liberal See Liberal Do
You’re a troll because you came here spouting the same old debunked talking points, and you clearly have never had an independent thought. And you projection your own inadequacy onto your moniker.
July 19th, 2007 at 2:32 amMy seventh-grade debates were on a far, far higher level.
Comment by Keith G
Have you ever seen the michael troll “debate?”
A banana slug could win a debate against him!
July 19th, 2007 at 2:33 am“with no chance of debate…. unless the trolls arrive?”
Comment by Liberal See Liberal Do — July 19, 2007 @ 2:30 am
DEBATE? DEBATE?
You NeoCon Trolls don’t debate. You posture, quote NeoCon lies, spin, and talking points, and try to distract from the topic so you can become the center of attention. Three year old behavior, like I said.
UNDER THE BRIDGE, NeoCon Do NeoCon Lie!
July 19th, 2007 at 2:34 amIt is, I suppose, possible that Valerie was not “covert”. I choose to believe the Wilsons and Fitzgerald, rather than NeoCons with a vested interest in covering up a crime. I also am at a loss to find another explanation for why the CIA would request an investigation if they knew Plame was not covert.
We might have known the truth if some had not felt it necessary to lie to the court.
July 19th, 2007 at 2:34 amYou’re a troll because you came here spouting the same old debunked talking points, and you clearly have never had an independent thought. And you projection your own inadequacy onto your moniker.
Comment by Zooey
Yeah …. Well I don’t have to go because I have enough computers fo all of my family LOL
July 19th, 2007 at 2:35 amOy, Gregor & Lora, as well. :)
Comment by Zooey — July 19, 2007 @ 2:18 am
Thanks, Zooey. But I’m too tired to continue right now. The trolls are so damned repetitive.
July 19th, 2007 at 2:38 amYeah …. Well I don’t have to go because I have enough computers fo all of my family LOL
Comment by Liberal See Liberal Do
Well, I’m not into piggish mass consumerism and wasteful spending.
I’d rather invest my money — and I do.
July 19th, 2007 at 2:38 amOk maybe I’ll shorten my moniker for the sensitive ones. How about LSLD?
July 19th, 2007 at 2:39 amOh and can I be more than a neocon?
A banana slug could win a debate against him!
Comment by Zooey — July 19, 2007 @ 2:33 am
Even a mildly retarded banana slug could win…
Why is it that all trolls feel special (read with a Pee Wee Herman voice): “How come no one want to hear what *I* have to say? What, don’t you think *I* make good points? Don’t you like freedom of speech?”
Newflash: We’ve had conservative posters who make thoughtful contributions, and like to exchange ideas. It’s the mindless, repetitious posters of long-debunked claptrap who get the rude treatment.
July 19th, 2007 at 2:39 amThanks, Zooey. But I’m too tired to continue right now. The trolls are so damned repetitive.
Comment by Lora
I don’t blame you, Lora. Thsi one is definitely third string!
July 19th, 2007 at 2:39 am“NeoCon Do NeoCon Lie” reminds me of the topics of this thread, Matthews the Media Putz and Miller the Media Whore – They posture, quote NeoCon lies, spin, and talking points, and try to distract from the important issues of the day, so they can become the center of attention. Three year old behavior, like I said.
July 19th, 2007 at 2:39 amFor the record, the reason I brought up Fitzgerald’s assertion that Plame was covert was because the link LSLD provided was using, as the basis of it’s argument that she was not covert, the position that Fitzgerald never said she was.
July 19th, 2007 at 2:39 amEgreg,
But it was the CIA that asked the DOJ for the investigation into the outing of a covert agent.
She made a special point of saying under oath at least three times that she was covert. That would be perjury if she were not.
July 19th, 2007 at 2:40 amNewflash: We’ve had conservative posters who make thoughtful contributions, and like to exchange ideas. It’s the mindless, repetitious posters of long-debunked claptrap who get the rude treatment.
Comment by Gregor Samsa
BINGO!!
July 19th, 2007 at 2:40 amFor the record, the reason I brought up Fitzgerald’s assertion that Plame was covert was because the link LSLD provided was using, as the basis of it’s argument that she was not covert, the position that Fitzgerald never said she was.
Comment by Egreggious
Plame testified under oath she was covert.
The CIA tesitfied under oath she was covert.
The court determined she was covert.
I don’t know what more the moron trolls need.
July 19th, 2007 at 2:42 amBut it was the CIA that asked the DOJ for the investigation into the outing of a covert agent.
She made a special point of saying under oath at least three times that she was covert. That would be perjury if she were not.
Comment by Keith G — July 19, 2007 @ 2:40 am
And those are the things I choose to believe.
I guess they could be false, but then on is getting into “tin-foil-hat” territory.
July 19th, 2007 at 2:44 amPlame testified under oath she was covert.
The CIA tesitfied under oath she was covert.
The court determined she was covert.
I don’t know what more the moron trolls need.
Then why wasn’t the MAN who admitted to it tried for treason? Don’t tell me because Libby Obstructed. Armitage admitted to it.
July 19th, 2007 at 2:44 amWe’ve had conservative posters who make thoughtful contributions, and like to exchange ideas.
Comment by Gregor Samsa
BINGO!!
Comment by Zooey — July 19, 2007 @ 2:40 am
Sorry, Gregor and Zooey, I missed them. Do you remember their aliases?
All I have seen in here is NeoCon trolls, and I am really tired of the three year-old mentality.
July 19th, 2007 at 2:45 am*then one is*
LOFD
[Lack Of Firefox Defense]
July 19th, 2007 at 2:45 amI guess they could be false, but then on is getting into “tin-foil-hat†territory.
Comment by Egreggious
There’s always that possibility, Egg, but that would mean a lot of perjury, careers lost, and disgrace to the court. People just don’t ruin themselves that way — unless they’re neo-cons, of course.
July 19th, 2007 at 2:47 amThen why wasn’t the MAN who admitted to it tried for treason? Don’t tell me because Libby Obstructed. Armitage admitted to it.
Comment by LSLD
Because of the lies and obstruction. It doesn’t matter if Armitage admitted it, if Fitz can’t construct a solid case. Do you think Armitage was going to plead guility? Sheesh….
I’m sorry if you don’t like it.
July 19th, 2007 at 2:49 amWell, we used to think that Eschaton’s trolls were the stupidest on the Intertubes.
I’d say that Think Progress now has that distinction.
July 19th, 2007 at 2:52 amZooey I expected more from you….. Do you think Armitage would have come out and said it was him if he thought he would be prosecuted? I think he knew that no law was broken and therefore not afraid to admit it.
July 19th, 2007 at 2:52 amThen why wasn’t the MAN who admitted to it tried for treason?
Comment by LSLD — July 19, 2007 @ 2:44 am
One more time: It doesn’t matter.
This is irrelevant in Libby’s conviction. Libby obstructed justice. Whether or not the other parties were not-guilty of the “underlying crime” -and whether or not said crime even existed- is utterly irrelevant to the fact that Libby obstructed justice. He was found guilty and sentenced. End of story.
July 19th, 2007 at 2:52 amLOFD
[Lack Of Firefox Defense]
Comment by Egreggious
The best defense tonight!
I better get off this computer, it’s my son’s turn.
Goodnight!
July 19th, 2007 at 2:53 amSorry, Gregor and Zooey, I missed them. Do you remember their aliases?
Comment by hterrya — July 19, 2007 @ 2:45 am
Giacomo used to post here. Fairly conservative but willing to talk, and wouldn’t post time and again the same nonsense.
Sgt Higgins is still posting. Fairly conservative too.
July 19th, 2007 at 2:54 amWell I have to go to work now… yes I have a job. Nite Libs
July 19th, 2007 at 2:54 amThen why wasn’t the MAN who admitted to it tried for treason? Don’t tell me because Libby Obstructed. Armitage admitted to it.
Comment by LSLD — July 19, 2007 @ 2:44 am
I will grant you that it is intriguing that Armitage has not yet been prosecuted. But I do not then immediately jump to the conclusion that Plame was not covert, in the face of lots of evidence to the contrary.
There might be other reasons. Some might have to do with the fact that if Armitage were prosecuted, Rove would surely be as well. He did exactly the same thing as Armitage.
July 19th, 2007 at 2:54 amDamn, I missed him.
July 19th, 2007 at 2:54 amGoodnight, Zooey!
Have a safe trip home!
July 19th, 2007 at 2:55 amLibby obstructed justice. He was found guilty and sentenced. End of story.
Comment by Gregor Samsa — July 19, 2007 @ 2:52 am
Not if you are NeoCon Do NeoCon Lie. If you are that immature trool, you will argue and change the subject or lie, if necessary. Watch and see if the previous sentence isn’t prophetic.
July 19th, 2007 at 2:56 amZooey I expected more from you…..
Comment by LSLD
Oh well, why would you expect anything from me? You don’t know me from a hole in the wall.
Keep your expectations for your children — you know, the ones with the computers you’re not monitoring.
Geez….
July 19th, 2007 at 2:57 amG’nite, Zooey!
July 19th, 2007 at 2:57 amGoodnight, Egg.
Thanks for your well wishes. :)
July 19th, 2007 at 2:59 amI must go download Firefox.
See you all later!
July 19th, 2007 at 2:59 amSee ya, Egreggious. Thanks for all your good posts.
July 19th, 2007 at 3:00 amSee ya, Egreggious. Thanks for all your good posts.
Comment by hterrya — July 19, 2007 @ 3:00 am
And I apologize for the bad ones.
I’m outta here!
July 19th, 2007 at 3:01 amComment by hterrya — July 19, 2007 @ 2:56 am
These Bush apologists have a hard time getting their tiny minds around the fact that obstruction of justice is, in and of itself, a crime.
That is the reason why McDougal had to serve prison time, even if the the Clintons were later cleared of any wrongdoing in their Whitewater land deals -investigation that McDougal obstructed.
It’s a no-brainer.
July 19th, 2007 at 3:02 amGood night all.
It’s sleepy time.
July 19th, 2007 at 3:02 amG’nite Gregor, but you still didn’t give me the aliases of the non-Troll conservative posters….
July 19th, 2007 at 3:05 amI think Chris Matthews is being ironic/sarcastic in that little snippet. Folks need to cool their jets. If you watch Chris Matthews regularly I think you’d realize he’s not really a white house sympathizing douche-bag.
July 19th, 2007 at 3:05 am“If you watch Chris Matthews regularly I think you’d realize he’s not really a white house sympathizing douche-bag.”
Comment by chris neglia — July 19, 2007 @ 3:05 am
MediaPutz.com doesn’t agree with you, I’m afraid. http://mediaputz.com/07/06/putz0628.html
July 19th, 2007 at 3:07 ambut you still didn’t give me the aliases of the non-Troll conservative posters….
Comment by hterrya — July 19, 2007 @ 3:05 am
I almost missed it….
Yes, I did. Scroll up. Now I *really* am going to get some sleep….
July 19th, 2007 at 3:10 amSorry Gregor, I missed it. I haven’t found Sgt. Higgins to be “conservative,” as in “conservative christian” (an oxymoron). And, I never saw “Giacomo” post in here. Thanks for the info.
G’Nite.
July 19th, 2007 at 3:15 amWords fall out of Tweety’s mouth like shit to a toilet bowl.
July 19th, 2007 at 3:21 am“Words fall out of Tweety’s mouth like shit to a toilet bowl.”
Comment by Captain America — July 19, 2007 @ 3:21 am
Tweety, as in Matthews the Media Putz?
Or, Tweety, as in Miller the Media Whore?
July 19th, 2007 at 3:29 amProof Bin Laden Tape Is 5-Year-Old, Re-Released Footage
http://www.prisonplanet.com/ articles/ july2007/ 180707oldfootage.htm
Bin Laden DOES NOT EXIST.
The media and the government are clearly complicit in spreading disinformation. They are setting you up to be attacked by Cheney/Chertoff – and softening up your mind in order to blame it on a guy who does not exist – AGAIN.
July 19th, 2007 at 3:49 amComment by ace — July 19, 2007 @ 3:49 am
Sorry, you are on the wrong thread.
This thread is about Matthews the Media Putz and Miller the Media Whore.
July 19th, 2007 at 4:12 amThis thread is about Matthews the Media Putz and Miller the Media Whore.
Comment by hterrya — July 19, 2007 @ 4:12 am
My comment pertained to the media whores parroting the government propaganda while knowing full well that their claims of a “new Bin Laden Video” are a total lie.
It should be the biggest news story of the decade that the media and the government are co-conspirators in setting up the American people for another false flag attach.
Where is THAT thread?
July 19th, 2007 at 4:16 amTerrorist attack in NYC is being played down as a steam pipe explosion. This is further proof that we are indeed fighting them here and why they will never admit its another terrorist attack.
Comment by sarah_nav
Hardly. Had it been a terrorist attack, the US would have been flying sorties over Iranian targets, before you even posted this stupid message.
July 19th, 2007 at 5:16 amIt’s Hatch from Utah.
July 19th, 2007 at 6:25 amThis tool doesn’t have a clue. His “Hardball” claims are haphazard attacks on people whenever it fits his fancy. If women are anything other than aged crones, the man wets himself, drooling like a dog in heat. Politics is a game he plays where he can make up the rules as he goes along. Never worth watching!
July 19th, 2007 at 7:08 amThe discourse in this place has really gone down hill.
TP seriously needs a registration system.
July 19th, 2007 at 7:08 amSorry, you are on the wrong thread.
This thread is about Matthews the Media Putz and Miller the Media Whore.
Comment by hterrya — July 19, 2007 @ 4:12 am
TP has become a haven for the holier-than-thou far right trolls and the holier-than-thou far left conspiracy theorists who wouldn’t have a social life, or friends, or therapy, if it weren’t for the fact that this site exists.
I’ve been here almost two years, but lately, the smart people seem to post less and less, while there’s more and more hate-filled partisan nonsense to scroll past. The extremist Thought Police and foaming-at-the mouth psychos are ruining this site so that it’s not even possible to have a decent intelligent conversation that often…
Fortunately, there are other sites that do limit the gang/cult mentality and allow for thoughtful debate.
Until Faiz gets registration, I think it’s going to get much worse. Sad too…
July 19th, 2007 at 7:15 amUnbe, you’re a holier-than-thou moron, and one of the biggest Thought Police babblers!
Comment by Mr. President — July 19, 2007 @ 7:38 am
Thanks for proving my point. You truly aren’t capable of a single coherent thought of your own… I do not wish to spend my time around people like you who have nothing to contribute and are constantly bitter and negative – which you falsely project on to everyone else.
And this is the last thing I have to say to you. So, rant and drool away. You might not have anything better to do with your time, but I do… Good bye.
July 19th, 2007 at 8:33 amUntil Think Progress decided to boot the trolls and the conspiracy theorists, I’m gone.
This used to be a great place. I learned so much from the brilliant minds of people like Gregor Samsa, Spudge Boy, Ryan, and many others. Even the trolls used to be debatable… But, now, it’s just a perpetual gang/cult war here, and mostly pointless.
Congratualtions trolls, you’ve managed to ruin this place. But I won’t stick around and watch anymore.
Adios!
July 19th, 2007 at 8:38 amTo unbelievable,
July 19th, 2007 at 8:47 amI understand your feelings, which is why I sometimes don’t post for several days. Although the obnoxious MightyAphrodite/VileVenus seems to be gone, this latest gang of trolls is mainly a waste of time and bandwidth space. But please take a look every now and then to see if things have gotten better again. Good luck.
Farewell, unbelievable.
July 19th, 2007 at 8:49 amThank you for your thoughtful and thought provoking contributions.
Keep up the good fight!
Peace
Hummm… Not to be catty or anything, but it looks like Ms. Miller has had a lot of “work” done since her Plame stonewall incarceration days.
July 19th, 2007 at 9:16 amNewsflash, that’s just propaganda that’s being spouted to the public. Fitzgerald proved that Libby leaked the information a MONTH before Armitage “suppossedly” leaked the information out to Novak.
Perhaps you should READ his statement.
It’s alleged in the indictment that on June 14th of 2003, a full month before Mr. Novak’s column, Mr. Libby discussed it in a conversation with a CIA briefer in which he was complaining to the CIA briefer his belief that the CIA was leaking information about something or making critical comments, and he brought up Joe Wilson and Valerie Wilson.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/10/28/AR2005102801340.html
July 19th, 2007 at 9:42 amWell, there it is.
But we knew that already didn’t we. See you at Karl’s party, Judy!
July 19th, 2007 at 9:59 amCan I put $50 on former Sen., Rick Santorum? Eeew, let me re phrase – if Flynt is stunned could it be Santorum?
July 19th, 2007 at 10:13 amThat’s it! Not one minute of my time will be wasted on the wild-mood swinger Matthews nor the other one, what’s his name, Scarborough Fair. Miller allowed this country to get in the shape it’s in today by covering for Scooter’s hind end as long as she did. She is nauseating. When I heard she was going to be on Hard…, I turned the tv offfffff!
When is the info on the other 30 names being released by Flynt, DC Madam et al?
My guess is the senator that surprised even the Penthouse guy, is the Spectre (spelled the way it should be here) (imagine him with anyone)! or Hatch as nearly every other guess has been. If it turns out that it’s not Hatch, one obvious fact stands clear, that is what people think Hatch would be doing behind the camera. Did you see the coverage of him once when he “allowed” a follower to touch the cuff of his sleeve while he gazed smlingly down on her? Just too much!
July 19th, 2007 at 12:32 pmFred Thompson’s gonna be soooooo jealous….
July 19th, 2007 at 2:04 pmZooey @ 187:
Never fear. I could name about twenty women who would pay to have sex with Feingold. He doesn’t NEED to be a john.
July 19th, 2007 at 2:06 pm