Good father; f#$k you, go home and play with your kids.

:|

You want to work here, then CLOSE!

I’d pay to see that.

The good news is you’re fired.

Oh….., … have I got your attention now?

:|

I’m serious. Look at Jack Lemmon’s character and then look at Harry Reid. We need someone like Alec Baldwin to walk into the Capital, and just read them the riot act like he did in Glen Garry Glen Ross.

Put that coffee DOWN…!

… I am not f#$cking with you…

If Harry Reid really meant it, if he really wanted to end this war, he’d badger the republicans to no end. After all he’s the majority leader. Why stop at one night? Why take the bill off the floor? Why not force vote after vote until the republicans pass it? Why cancel voting until 5 AM? Why not force everyone to stay up all night? Why not cancel the upcoming 5 week vacation and force the congress to hold vote after vote after vote?

You know the republicans would.

They’d be merciless, until the dems caved if they had the majority. The fact is Harry Reid is weak, and uncomitted, as is Steney Hoyer and Nancy Pelosi. If we want to beat the republicans at anything we’d better come up with someone a little tougher than these 3.

Hard as it is to wait, I think Reid’s starting to get the right idea.

Comment by Jeremy — July 18, 2007 @ 1:27 pm

Jeremy. I appreciate your well thought out and reasonable response.

I do have some disagreement however.

First, and foremost, its not “hard to wait”. Not for me anyway. I certainly am not suffering or diminished in any capacity by waiting. Its not hard for Harry Reid to wait in his comfortable home and senate chamber. Its not hard for most of us to wait.

And for the troops, well, I’d hardly call it “hard to wait”.

Its hell to wait for them.

In fact, for the troops, its literally a matter of life and death.

You present some good arguments. The idea of the nuclear option giving the republicans power IF they were to take the majority again (not likely in our lifetimes). On the other hand, one could argue its been used before for things like confirmations (Clarence Thomas was confirmed in 1981 without the required 2 thirds majority). Once the precedent is set I also argue that it could be overturned. I can find nothing to support that a precedent cannot be overturned or reversed once established. In fact, invoking the nuclear option would indeed be reversing established precedent.

Additionally I find it troubling to consider politics when so many are dying. While we don’t want to remove the checks and balances that protect a congressional minority, we also don’t want to be found using politics as a reason to continue the slaughter in Iraq. In other words, its a hard decision, and I can understand the hesitation to do it. But I am not convinced that once done, it cannot be undone.

On the other hand, it really doens’t matter, as Bush would simply veto the bill, and without a 2 thirds majority of both houses the congress could not override the veto as I am sure you already know. So in other words, you’re probably right. It doesn’t “feel right”, but all in all it would change things in the Congress, (although I am not sure it could not be undone) and in the end would probably accomplish nothing.

What really has to happen, is Congress just needs to start acting like they actually hold the constitutional powers they hold, and cut all funding for the war, other than funds to bring the troops home. If the president doesn’t sign the bill, he would still not get the funds, and be forced to bring the troops home.

Also a vote to reauthorize the war, (which would surely fail) would be a smart move, as it would put the president in the offical position of acting outside of the law. Not that he has a problem with that, but this would be an offical “gotcha”, if he continued the war when Congress had voted that the war is no longer authorized. The republicans could not defeat such a vote.

there it is! … i left too soon…
haven’t read further to see if there is an explanation…
hoping there is…
what was that about?!?!?!
…

Yep, I stand behind that one too. It’s called an opinion/prediction that you trolls will be twisting.

You’ll just have to take my word on my opinion.

#181, O. bigfoot:

Okay, the war goes on, but why aren’t you in Iraq? It appears all you can do is act belligerent and crass, by posting on a “sniveling blog of liberal defeatists.”

I have a few questions more:

Where are the WMD’s? Where was the imminent threat? Have you read the Downing Street Memos?

Moreover, most important, you are actually celebrating the continuation of an illegal and baseless war and occupation that will result in the death of more than 100 American soldiers per month? Go gloat about that…how does that make you feel?

Sign up, pal! Uncle Sam wants you, and your body bag size, too!

Actually, lot was accomplished. America, the 70% of America, that wants a swift end to the foolish war, got tot see EXACTLY who the obstructionist are, face by face, speech by speech. November ‘08 is going to be a cold slap in the face!

Ps. Sign up, pal! Uncle Sam wants you, and your body bag size, too!

You go to war with the timeline you’ve got, not the one you want.
You’ve had your “years”. Now, we want to insure that some of our young men and women get to have more of theirs.

Since no real debate on Iraq would be taking place until after the surge has had time to work(?) there is no need to pass a defense bill.

Comment by hellinabucket — July 18, 2007 @ 3:28 pm

Don’t you mean:
Since no real debate on Iraq will be taking place until Sept there is no need to hold up the appropriations bill now ?

6 weeks. Seriously.
A counterinsurgency tactic which may be successful over a period measured in years has been given an assessment deadline of 6 weeks. And that’s too long apparently.

I know it’s a little more detailed than the fear talking points you feed on but it’s what is now. There is no spin here. It’s forcing the republicans hand.

Man, the spin here is unbelievable! Only liberals take defeat and try to spin it into some sort of warped victory.

You lost! The war goes on! Nothing was accomplished! The surge continues! We shall stabilize Iraq, and there is nothing you can do about it but whine and snivel on some blog. Go home and cry now and try to look for solace…where there is none.

Everything is the same as yesterday, except now some folks are tired.

“Hey, dumbass: I’m as degreed as Sowell”
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B.S.

Comment by Ringo

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Bachelor of Science may indeed be one of GMT’s degrees. If so, Ringo, you can give yourself a little applause for being right about one thing.

Whether this parliamentary move comes from a sincere place of concern for our the welfare of our troops and our nation is something Harry knows.

We’ve been griping about the Dem’s having no backbone. Let’s give Harry at least a little credit for these latest moves this week. If he gets some good feedback, perhaps he’ll understand it feels good to be something other than an invertebrate, and actually grow that spine that allows him to pull himself out of the swamp.

They are scared and the american public knows this.