ThinkFast: July 18, 2007
ThinkFast: July 18, 2007
A confidential list shows that Vice President Cheney’s energy task force met almost exclusively with energy industry groups and corporations. By the time the task force began its few meetings with environmental groups, “the initial draft of the task force was substantially complete and President Bush had been briefed on its progress.”
With evidence showing that abstinence programs have “no impacts on rates of sexual abstinence,” such education is increasingly being rejected nationwide. “Eleven state health departments rejected abstinence education this year, while legislatures in Colorado, Iowa and Washington passed laws that could kill, or at least wound, its presence in public schools.”
“The board of Dow Jones said late Tuesday it was ready to sign off” on Rupert Murdoch’s proposal to buy the company for $5 billion. “However, the key remains with the Bancroft family, whose three dozen members have been deeply divided over whether to sell to Murdoch.”
The National Intelligence Estimate released yesterday warned that Hezbollah could be “more likely to consider attacking the homeland” if it sees the United States as a threat to the group or to Iran. Slate’s Fred Kaplan says that “this amounts to a direct warning to the White House: Don’t attack Iran.”
Resentment toward American forces remains “fierce” as “Iraqis endure their fifth blazing summer without sufficient power.” The LA Times writes, “If anything is seen as symbolic of the United States’ failure to deliver on its promise that life would be better without Saddam Hussein, it is the lack of reliable electricity.”
“The Army is launching an education program to teach 1 million soldiers how to recognize symptoms of brain injuries and post-traumatic stress disorder, the two signature injuries of the Iraq war. The program aims to encourage troops to get treatment – and to help erase the stigma of doing so, Army officials said.”
The White House yesterday “played down the importance of President Bush’s proposal for a Mideast peace conference and said it was too early to say where or when it would take place.”
“Rapidly rising carbon dioxide levels in the atmosphere are driving noxious poison ivy and those annoying patches of dandelion to grow taller, lusher and more resilient, according to two new studies.”
Sen. Jon Kyl (R-AZ) continues to maintain a “hold” on a bill that would cut down the lengthy wait time that plagues the Freedom of Information Act system. “Following easy passage by the House of Representatives and the Senate Judiciary Committee, however, the FOIA fix has been halted. Despite recent reports detailing delays and difficulties in getting government information, the Department of Justice has objected to the new legislation.”
And finally: While Senate staffers were busy yesterday rolling out cots for the chamber’s all-night Iraq debate, many senators said they didn’t plan on using them. Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D-WV), who “towers at 6-feet-7-inches tall,” said, “I don’t fit on a cot.” Sen. John Kerry (D-MA) admitted, “I’ve got a couch in my hideaway.” Sen. Jon Tester (D-MT) lives just four blocks from the Capitol and planned on slipping home to catch a nap.
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The National Intelligence Estimate released yesterday warned that Hezbollah could be “more likely to consider attacking the homeland†if it sees the United States as a threat to the group or to Iran. Slate’s Fred Kaplan says that “this amounts to a direct warning to the White House: Don’t attack Iran.â€
But wait…according to Chimpy Logic, we have to attack Iran now, so we can fight them over there…so we don’t have to fight them here.
…right?
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July 18th, 2007 at 9:10 amAre we Martial Law, yet?
http://911truth.org/article.php?story=20070716230841584
July 18th, 2007 at 9:10 amAnd finally: While Senate staffers were busy yesterday rolling out cots for the chamber’s all-night Iraq debate, many senators said they didn’t plan on using them. Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D-WV), who “towers at 6-feet-7-inches tall,†said, “I don’t fit on a cot.†Sen. John Kerry (D-MA) admitted, “I’ve got a couch in my hideaway.†Sen. Jon Tester (D-MT) lives just four blocks from the Capitol and planned on slipping home to catch a nap.
The offices of these senators are huge….there’s surely room for Murphy beds to be installed.
In fact, it should be standard equipment in every office.
July 18th, 2007 at 9:13 amRepublican Sen. Susan Collins: “This all-night debate has no impact on me whatsoever. It’s clearly not an opportunity for a serious debate. … We don’t have to stay in all night to have a serious debate on Iraq. We can do that in the daylight hours just fine.”
What’s serious is being in the line of fire every day, all day, Senator Collins. Our soldiers don’t get to pick and choose when they are being shot at. Stop whining.
July 18th, 2007 at 9:14 amEdwards agrees to smaller three-way debate:
Democratic candidate accepts invitation to face Clinton, Kucinich on MSNBC
Democratic presidential candidate John Edwards renewed his call Tuesday for smaller, more substantive candidate forums, agreeing to MSNBC’s invitation to debate Sen. Hillary Clinton and Rep. Dennis Kucinich on live television.
Edwards and Sen. Hillary Clinton were captured on open microphones criticizing Kucinich, D-Ohio, by name after an NAACP candidates forum last week.
Edwards was recorded by several news organizations telling Clinton that “we should try to have a more serious … smaller group,†to which Clinton replied, “We’ve got to cut the number.â€
Edwards accepted host Chris Matthews’ challenge to face off with Clinton and Kucinich on “Hardball,†but only if the show would arrange similar small discussions that included the rest of the Democratic field. “Any way we can have a more serious discussion with smaller groups, I am happy to participate in,†he said.
*** I can’t wait to see Kucinich mop the floor up with these two.
July 18th, 2007 at 9:15 am“If anything is seen as symbolic of the United States’ failure to deliver on its promise that life would be better without Saddam Hussein, it is the lack of reliable electricity.â€
One would assume it would be the rising death toll of Iraqi citizens, lack of potable water, dwindling infrastructure, and inability of the Iraqi government to get the US to leave at their request.
July 18th, 2007 at 9:18 amNeocons on a Cruise: What Conservatives Say When They Think We Aren’t Listening
http://www.alternet.org/story/57001?page=1
Proving it’s possible to be scary, creepy and vastly amusing at the same time. A British writer went on the National Review cruise with a shipload of neocons and reports back.
Here’s a taste, but read the whole thing.
July 18th, 2007 at 9:18 am
Kucinich could mop the floor with all of them…
July 18th, 2007 at 9:19 amFeingold Flip-Flops on Impeachment
By Dave Lindorff 7/07 from afterdowningstreet dot org
In a diary entry on Daily Kos, Sen. Russ Feingold (D-WI), one of the most consistently progressive liberals in the Senate, surrendered to the Democratic Party Establishment, with an embarrassing string of lame and tired excuses for not standing for impeachment of the Bush/Cheney regime.
Feingold, who once took the lead in opposing Bush’s and Cheney’s abuses of power and their undermining of the Constitution with a censure motion filed in the Senate, wrote in the DailyKos diary that while he agreed that Bush and Cheney “may well have†committed “impeachable offenses,†he nonetheless did not support impeachment.
***Why the sudden change? Does Rove have “dirt” on him obtained through and (il)legal wiretap? Is he afraid of being the next Democrat to get anthrax? Does he fear his plane “mysteriously” falling from the sky as happens only to anti-war Senators?
July 18th, 2007 at 9:20 am“If anything is seen as symbolic of the United States’ failure to deliver on its promise that life would be better without Saddam Hussein, it is the lack of reliable electricity.â€
This is truly sad. We bomb a country back to the stone ages and then we spend billions hiring people from our country and other countries, but not Iraq, to fix what we broke. But, a funny thing happened. It’s all still broken. What happened to those billions we paid to FOB’s (Friends of Bush) to fix what we broke? They got paid for doing either no work or shoddy work.
And, the neoCONS wonder why the Iraqi’s hate us. It’s not rocket science. Anyone with an IQ above 70 can figure it out.
July 18th, 2007 at 9:22 amIf Senator Vitter ever decides to resign from his current position, he would surely make an excellent choice (by Dumbya standards) to head the task force on Abstinence Education.
July 18th, 2007 at 9:22 amWith evidence showing that abstinence programs have “no impacts on rates of sexual abstinence,†such education is increasingly being rejected nationwide.
I recentlyread that there is a correlation between a society’s level of affection with their infants as well as their acceptance of teenage sexuality, and their capacity for violence.
That societies who touch babies a lot and respect teenage sexual desires are disinclined for violence – while the opposite is also true.
Between strollers and abstinence programs, we are assuring that the majority of these kids will become adults prone to violence. Appalling.
July 18th, 2007 at 9:23 amSilly Iraqis….don’t they know you don’t need electricity when you have the “light of freedom” to help you read at night?
July 18th, 2007 at 9:23 ami work for the Dow-owned Ottaway News chain, and i can tell you that Ottaway employees at my paper are following this Murdoch takeover very closely, and dreading its ramifications….
July 18th, 2007 at 9:25 am“Edwards accepted host Chris Matthews’ challenge to face off with Clinton and Kucinich on “Hardball,†but only if the show would arrange similar small discussions that included the rest of the Democratic field. “Any way we can have a more serious discussion with smaller groups, I am happy to participate in,†he said.”
I have to say that I agree with Edwards. What they were doing could in no way be called a debate. It was nothing but 60 second sound bites. I do wonder at Chris Matthews hosting this, though. He really hates Hillary Clinton. So, its going to be amusing watching him try to restrain himself from showing his prejudice. But, on the other hand, he may not try to restrain himself. He’ll just make a big fool of himself.
July 18th, 2007 at 9:26 amPressure from viewers forced CNN to retract their claim that Michael Moore “fudged the facts”
If we can get CNN to recant, simply with outrage over the course of a week, then why are we unable to control our own Congressional employees?
The American people WANT Impeachment.
July 18th, 2007 at 9:32 amThe use of the word Homeland, without mentioning its Nazi associations, would seem to be acknowledgement that America is an Empire with colonies.
The American Empire has always tried to cheat at the imperial game by not admitting that the countries it dominates and exploits belong to it. That’s permits them to not accept refugees or to meet certain humanitarian obligations. The British Empire was a very expensive proposition; just as war is more expensive than peace.
Corporatism is one way round this. By letting multi-national corporations grow to the size of nation states, the USA can allow them to act as the imperial overlords.
I say it’s time to bring democracy to corporations. Let the shareholder divide up dividends according to the number of shares owned, but at the AGM it should be One Shareholder/One Vote, just as it is in any democracy.
July 18th, 2007 at 9:32 am“Every conversation monitored under Bush’s warrantless domestic surveillance program is a missed opportunity to get someone who is talking with terrorists off the streets and behind bars.
Why? Because evidence obtained by Bush’s warrantless domestic spying program is probably not admissible in court. Convictions obtained with evidence from this program may be overturned.â€
STOP RIGHT THERE! THINK.
Clearly the Bush Administration knew that to be true. So what EVIDENCE do you have that Bush actually wants potential terrorists prosecuted? How many terrorists have been CONVICTED AND SENTENCED since 9/11?
Do the math folks. Think like a criminal. The clearest explanation is often right under your nose. False flag terrorism is a TACTIC of the Mossad and the CIA. The terrorists are merely doing the bidding of this administration and their surrogates. Any actual TRIAL with TV CAMERAS and EVIDENCE would blow their entire operation.
If they really want to arrest AND CONVICT terrorists, they would absolutely follow the letter of the law. They CHOSE not to. Coincidence? NOT!
What more do you need to know?
http://www.countercurrents.org/usa-hassan050405.htm
Let’s start out with a recap of some highly disturbing events in this country, as reported by a mainstream newspaper on the United States in August of 2005:
http://www.timesherald.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=15114089&BRD=1672&PAG=461&dept_id=33380&rfi=6
Now can you help me out with a plausible explanation for this:
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article7545.htm
And this official DEA report:
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/deareportisraelispying.html
A counterintelligence investigation by the FBI concluded that at least two of them were in fact Mossad operatives, according to the former American official, who said he was regularly briefed on the investigation by two separate law enforcement officials.
“The assessment was that Urban Moving Systems was a front for the Mossad and operatives employed by it,” he said. “The conclusion of the FBI was that they were spying on local Arabs but that they could leave because they did not know anything about 9/11.”
However, he added, the bureau was “very irritated because it was a case of so-called unilateral espionage, meaning they didn’t know about it.”
Spokesmen for the FBI, the Justice Department and the Immigration and Naturalization Service refused to discuss the case. Israeli officials flatly dismissed the allegations as untrue.
However, the former American official said that after American authorities confronted Jerusalem on the issue at the end of last year, the Israeli government acknowledged the operation and apologized for not coordinating it with Washington.
The five men — Sivan and Paul Kurzberg, Oded Ellner, Omer Marmari and Yaron Shmuel — were arrested eight hours after the attacks by the Bergen County, N.J., police while driving in an Urban Moving Systems van.
‘A Scary Situation’ Steven Gordon, the attorney for the five Israeli detainees, acknowledged that his clients’ actions on Sept. 11 would easily have aroused suspicions. “You got a group of guys that are taking pictures, on top of a roof, of the World Trade Center. They’re speaking in a foreign language. They got two passports on ‘em. One’s got a wad of cash on him, and they got box cutters. Now that’s a scary situation.”
While many have denied these events occurred, note these Mainstream Media accounts:
Since their arrest, plenty of speculation has swirled about the case, and what the five men were doing that morning. Eventually, The Forward, a respected Jewish newspaper in New York, reported the FBI concluded that two of the men were Israeli intelligence operatives.
Vince Cannistraro, a former chief of operations for counterterrorism with the CIA who is now a consultant for ABCNEWS, said federal authorities’ interest in the case was heightened when some of the men’s names were found in a search of a national intelligence database.
Israeli Intelligence Connection?
According to Cannistraro, many people in the U.S. intelligence community believed that some of the men arrested were working for Israeli intelligence. Cannistraro said there was speculation as to whether Urban Moving had been “set up or exploited for the purpose of launching an intelligence operation against radical Islamists in the area, particularly in the New Jersey-New York area.”
According to ABC’s 20/20, when the van belonging to the cheering Israelis was stopped by the police, the driver of the van, Sivan Kurzberg, told the officers:
“We are Israelis. We are not your problem. Your problems are our problems. The Palestinians are your problem.”
July 18th, 2007 at 9:33 amUS official quoted in Carl Cameron’s Fox News report.
In fact, he said, the nature of the investigation changed after the names of two of the five Israelis showed up on a CIA-FBI database of foreign intelligence operatives, he said. At that point, he said, the bureau took control of the investigation and launched a Foreign Counterintelligence Investigation, or FCI.
FBI investigations into possible links to the September 11 attacks are usually carried by the bureau’s counterterrorism division, not its counterintelligence division.
“An FCI means not only that it was serious but also that it was handled at a very high level and very tightly,” the former official said. That view was echoed by several former FBI officials interviewed.
According to ABCNEWS sources, Israeli and U.S. government officials worked out a deal — and after 71 days, the five Israelis were taken out of jail, put on a plane, and deported back home.
The men all underwent at least two polygraph tests each, the lawyer added. He said one of the Israelis took the test seven times, a very unusual total according to several polygraph experts interviewed by the Forward. All failed their tests.
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/fiveisraelis.html
http://www.waynemadsenreport.com/Artstudents.htm
http://killtown.blogspot.com/2005/11/dancing-israelis-on-911.html
July 18th, 2007 at 9:35 amThese Isreali’s knew full well what was going on that morning.
July 18th, 2007 at 9:39 amFBI probes espionage at Clinton white house
The FBI is probing an explosive foreign-espionage operation that could dwarf the other spy scandals plaguing the U.S. government
Michael Waller • Paul Rodriguez — Insight magazine
Monday May 29, 2000
Insight has learned that FBI counterintelligence is tracking a daring operation to spy on high-level U.S. officials by hacking into supposedly secure telephone networks. The espionage was facilitated, federal officials say, by lax telephone-security procedures at the White House, State Department and other high-level government offices and by a Justice Department unwillingness to seek an indictment against a suspect.
The espionage operation may have serious ramifications because the FBI has identified Israel as the culprit. It risks undermining U.S. public support for the Jewish state at a time Israel is seeking billions of tax dollars for the return of land to Syria. It certainly will add to perceptions that the Clinton-Gore administration is not serious about national security. Most important, it could further erode international confidence in the ability of the United States to keep secrets and effectively lead as the world’s only superpower.
`So what, it’s only Israel!’
There is a tendency in and out of government to minimize the impact of Israeli espionage against the United States because Israel is a friendly country. That overlooks the gravity of the espionage threat, says David Major, former director of counterintelligence programs at the National Security Council. “This `Don’t worry about allied spying, it’s okay’ attitude is harmful,†he warns. “The U.S. should expect that the rest of the world is bent on rooting out its national-security secrets and the secrets that could subject its leaders to blackmail.†Minimizing or excusing “friendly spying,†he argues, only discourages vigilance and encourages more attacks on U.S. national security. “I’m not outraged by nations that find it in their interests to collect intelligence but by our unwillingness to seriously pursue counterintelligence.â€
Major, now dean of the private Center for Counterintelligence and Security Studies, asks: “What price should Israel pay for this? My predictions are that there will be no impact whatsoever. Do we put our heads in the sand or do we take it as a wake-up call?â€
For any remaining COINCIDENCE THEORISTS:
Agency planned exercise on Sept. 11 built around a plane crashing into a building
Bizarre coincidence? U.S. intelligence agency was planning an exercise involving aircraft crashing into buildings on 09-11-2001
John J. Lumpkin — Associated Press
Wednesday September 11, 2002
Bizarre coincidence?: National Reconnaissance Office scheduled an exercise involving aircraft crashing into buildings on 09-11-2001
In what the government describes as a bizarre coincidence, one U.S. intelligence agency was planning an exercise last Sept. 11 in which an errant aircraft would crash into one of its buildings. But the cause wasn’t terrorism — it was to be a simulated accident.
“It was just an incredible coincidence that this happened to involve an aircraft crashing into our facility,†Haubold said. “As soon as the real world events began, we canceled the exercise.â€
Adding to the coincidence, American Airlines Flight 77 — the Boeing 767 that was hijacked and crashed into the Pentagon — took off from Dulles at 8:10 a.m. on Sept. 11, 50 minutes before the exercise was to begin. It struck the Pentagon around 9:40 a.m., killing 64 aboard the plane and 125 on the ground.
The National Reconnaissance Office operates many of the nation’s spy satellites. It draws its personnel from the military and the CIA.
After the Sept. 11 attacks, most of the 3,000 people who work at agency headquarters were sent home, save for some essential personnel, Haubold said.
An announcement for an upcoming homeland security conference in Chicago first noted the exercise.
In a promotion for speaker John Fulton, a CIA officer assigned as chief of NRO’s strategic gaming division, the announcement says, “On the morning of September 11th 2001, Mr. Fulton and his team … were running a pre-planned simulation to explore the emergency response issues that would be created if a plane were to strike a building. Little did they know that the scenario would come true in a dramatic way that day.â€
GOT PROBABLE CAUSE?
July 18th, 2007 at 9:41 amDaschle: Congress Denied Bush War Powers in U.S.
By Barton Gellman
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, December 23, 2005; Page A04
The Bush administration requested, and Congress rejected, war-making authority “in the United States†in negotiations over the joint resolution passed days after the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, according to an opinion article by former Senate majority leader Thomas A. Daschle (D-S.D.) in today’s Washington Post.
Daschle’s disclosure challenges a central legal argument offered by the White House in defense of the National Security Agency’s warrantless wiretapping of U.S. citizens and permanent residents. It suggests that Congress refused explicitly to grant authority that the Bush administration now asserts is implicit in the resolution.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/12/22/AR2005122202119.html
And then…a few weeks later…
W A S H I N G T O N, Nov. 1 A group of military scientists is feverishly examining the microscopic spores of anthrax sent to Sen. Tom Daschle for clues to a mystery that could have profound implications for the United States and its ongoing war on terror: Who made it?
http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=92006&page=1
July 18th, 2007 at 9:43 amace you’re acting like a troll
July 18th, 2007 at 9:44 amAce should get banned for spamming all threads full of his copy-paste-link screeds that aren’t even relevant to the article itself.
Too bad we don’t have the DKos policy of banning conspiracy theorists.
July 18th, 2007 at 9:44 amHaving a theory about THIS Conspiracy is the job of every American.
Did you notice that Franklin was charged with CONSPIRACY?
Did you notice that Abramoff was charged with CONSPIRACY?
Did you notice that AIPAC is charged with CONSPIRACY?
Why are you insisting that everyone reject the word as somehow being the equivalent of UFO?
Who do you represent?
July 18th, 2007 at 9:48 amWeapons of Mass Deception abound in the new NIE report.
How timely that AQ will now have the ability to attack the ‘homeland’.
When did we start calling America ‘The Homeland’?
Was Chertoff briefed before Bush on this? His gut feeling vs Bush’s ‘we have AQ on the run’ sounds like it.
Raven, welcome back! Were you in on the Tahoe fire?
July 18th, 2007 at 9:48 amAce does exemplary service at TP!
July 18th, 2007 at 9:49 amace you’re acting like a troll
Comment by Wilco — July 18, 2007 @ 9:44 am
His fans will now harrass you. :D
Seems those on the far left are unable to let those of us on the moderate oppose this conspiracy theory without insulting us…
I just scroll past these kinds of posts now.
July 18th, 2007 at 9:50 am#30: I represent reason and common sense – something you’ve abandoned a long time ago.
So, stop spamming these threads with your useless cr@p. Oh, and get a life, too. All that time you spend on news sites and seeing conspiracies where there are only coincidences could be spent in so much more productive ways.
July 18th, 2007 at 9:51 am“Who do you represent?”
So you’re keyed up and paranoid?
July 18th, 2007 at 9:51 amLook, Bob has a point. Your posts are not related. I know, I know, this isn’t too specific a thread. But articles from 2000 and 2005 have nothing to do with today’s news. You can have your Israeli conspiracy theories all you want. Good for you. But post that stuff when appropriate instead of every day on every thread like you have been.
Unbelievable:
Are you a coincidence theorist? What’s your THEORY?
Coincidences that seem to have led to a World War…
9/11 (9:00 am) – The CIA began an exercise to simulate a plane crashing into one of it’s buildings.
Ann Tatlock, a CEO at Fiduciary Trust located in the South WTC Tower, is on her way to an early morning charity event at the U.S. Strategic Command Center at Offutt AFB in Nebraska — where Bush later flew to for “safety” — hosted by billionaire Warren Buffett and is escorted by military officers into an officer’s lounge with a TV and watches the 2nd hijacked plane crash right into her offices.
WTC Owner Larry Silverstein is not in his office on the 88th floor of the North Tower because of a “doctors appointment.”
Donald Rumsfeld is in his office at the Pentagon talking about missile defense and the risk of terrorism and predicts there will be a terrorist attack two minutes before the first plane crashes into the WTC.
FAA memo says Flight 11 passenger was shot who happened to be a multi-millionaire elite Israeli military commando who understands Arabic and who happened to be sitting directly in front of one of the alleged hijackers.
On the morning of 9/11, Sen. Bob Graham (D-FL) and Rep. Porter Goss (R-FL) — the chairmen of the Senate and House Intelligence Committees — along with Sen. John Kyl (R-AZ) and some other members of the House Intelligence Committee are in a meeting at the Capital building with the director of Pakistani intelligence (ISI), Lt. Gen. Mahmud Ahmad, who authorized a $100,000 wire transfer to alleged lead 9/11 hijacker, Mohamed Atta.
The instant messaging service Odigo, says that two of its workers at their Israeli facility received messages two hours before the Twin Towers attack on September 11 predicting the attack would happen.
The WTC 7’s fire alarm system is placed on “TEST” mode for an eight hour period for “maintenance or other testing” in which any alarms that are received from the system are not shown on the operator’s display and are considered the result of the maintenance or testing and are ignored.
NORAD was in day two of a week long exercise called “Vigilant Guardian” in which some of it’s military participants thought the first reports of the hijackings later on in the day were “part of the exercise.”
A Pentagon rescuer mentions how “eerie” it was that the Pentagon’s MASCAL emergency plane crash plan that he had trained twice for was “very similar to what actually happened”.
Personnel from the Walter Reed Army Medical Center who helped the rescuing efforts at the Pentagon also say that it was “eerie” how an emergency situation they went through just two weeks before the attack helped prepare them for the Pentagon crash.
A group of young men were witnessed on top of a white van celebrating while they were filming themselves with the burning WTC in the background in which they were later arrested and identified as Israeli citizens — some later found to be Israeli spies — with one saying upon being arrested, “We are Israeli. We are not your problem. Your problems are our problems. The Palestinians are the problem.” They were found with large amounts of cash, a box cutter, multiple foreign passports, maps linking them to the blasts, and a bomb-sniffing dogs reacted as if detecting explosives in their van.
Within minutes of the explosion at the Pentagon, the FBI confiscates security videos that had captured the crash from a nearby gas station and hotel.
9/11 (10:31 am) – The commander of NORAD says he didn’t receive the presidential order to shoot down any of the hijacked planes until after Flight 93 crashed and the 9/11 Commission report confirms NORAD didn’t get this order until 28 minutes after the crash.
Video coverage shows Palestinians rejoicing over news of the 9/11 attacks, but later the celebrations were found out to have been staged.
Larry Silverstein, the WTC leaseholder, said he decided that the smartest thing to do to the WTC 7 was to “pull it” when a NYFD commander told him that he wasn’t sure they were going to be able to contain the fire in the building and said after they made the decision to “pull” the WTC 7, they “watched the building collapse.” The term “pull” was used to describe the demolition of the WTC 6 days later.
White House staff are given the powerful anthrax antibiotic Cipro, a full month before the first cases of anthrax were reported.
When Benjamin Netanyahu, former prime minister of Israel and elite special forces member for the IDF, was asked what the 9/11 attacks meant for relations between the United States and Israel, he replied, “It’s very good.”
President Bush’s cousin, Jim Pierce, escaped death from the WTC thanks to a “schedule change” the night before.
FEMA in NYC prior to 9-11 for Project TRIPOD terror drill, scheduled for 9-12
As of this writing, June 2, 2004, the transcript of former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani’s testimony to the 9-11 Commission during the May 18-19, 2004 hearings in New York is the only transcript of that hearing omitted from the Commission website
(http://www.9-11commission.gov).
Did Rudy say something wrong?
“… the reason Pier 92 was selected as a command center was because on the next day, on September 12, Pier 92 was going to have a drill, it had hundreds of people here, from FEMA, from the Federal Government, from the State, from the State Emergency Management Office, and they were getting ready for a drill for biochemical attack. So that was gonna be the place they were going to have the drill. The equipment was already there, so we were able to establish a command center there, within three days, that was two and a half to three times bigger than the command center that we had lost at 7 World Trade Center. And it was from there that the rest of the search and rescue effort was completed.”
July 18th, 2007 at 9:52 amease up, ace
July 18th, 2007 at 9:53 am#33: Yeah, that’s the problem when you say something a conspiracy theorist doesn’t like. You become The Man, one of Them who’re keeping us all down in ignorance, and hence they start treating you like you’re the evil incarnate.
July 18th, 2007 at 9:53 am
July 18th, 2007 at 9:54 amSURRENDERA MONKISTAS!
Ok. That’s it, ace.
I’ve reported ace to the TP admins. I specifically mentioned that he’s spamming the threads with long messages that make it difficult to read the real posts. Please do the same.
July 18th, 2007 at 9:54 amI’m only criticizing ace in the specific. I don’t know one bit about this Israeli conspiracy and possibly unjustly dismiss it out of hand. If it is true, it doesn’t belong on every last thread on TP. It seems as of late, ace has a bad case of tunnel vision, is what I’m getting at.
July 18th, 2007 at 9:55 am#34 – “SURRENDERA MONKISTAS!” Comment by CT_V1 — July 18, 2007 @ 9:54 am
No, YOU’RE the monkey! ;-)
July 18th, 2007 at 9:56 am“this amounts to a direct warning to the White House: Don’t attack Iran.â€
Hezbollah dares Bush to attack Iran. What could possibly go wrong?
July 18th, 2007 at 9:57 amBut articles from 2000 and 2005 have nothing to do with today’s news. You can have your Israeli conspiracy theories all you want. Good for you. But post that stuff when appropriate instead of every day on every thread like you have been.
Comment by Wilco — July 18, 2007 @ 9:51 am
WHAT!?
Say that again.
Explain how it is that the events from 2000 – 2005 have have no impact on the news of today.
I know that you’d like to have everyone look forward rather than backward, and only consider each sound bite as an island unto itself, with no relationship to any other event, present or past.
My postings serve to provide CONTEXT and enable individuals to connect the dots in what ever order they choose to attempt to make some sense of these seemingly unrelated yet highly coincidental events.
I know that you’d like for me to keep my thoughts to a sentence or two, or to simply go away – but it would seem that these mad men are about to embark on a nuclear holocaust with unknown consequences, and frankly, I don’t really care how you feel about my posting style. There are far more important matters at stake – and not a minute to waste.
July 18th, 2007 at 9:58 amComment by ace — July 18, 2007 @ 9:52 am
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July 18th, 2007 at 10:00 amAmericans Are Not Automobiles!
18th of July 2007
by Jay Randal
The health insurance industry, and HMO providers, treat the American people like automobiles, since they tend to withhold medical care or even cancel coverage.
Americans can choose to not drive cars, instead using public transportation systems, but getting sick means death unless a serious illness/disease is cared for fast.
You can choose to not fix your automobile, if it breaks down or is damaged in collision, but failure to receive proper medical care can result in deteriorating health.
A population that has poor healthcare tends to be less productive at work, so affects the economy as well, so sickens the productivity at the workplace and profits.
A healthy citizenry invigorates the economy, so leads to innovations in creativity and scientific discoveries, plus a healthy populace tends to not seek revolution.
The US Congressional membership would be wise to dismantle decrepit profit-driven medical care system and replace it with single-payer care like in Canada.
(Jay Randal, political activist and writer in Georgia, USA.)
July 18th, 2007 at 10:00 am#39 – “There are far more important matters at stake – and not a minute to waste.” Comment by ace — July 18, 2007 @ 9:58 am
And, yet you wasted more than a minute responding to a critic of yours.
So, if there’s truly “not a minute to waste”, why are you wasting minutes??
July 18th, 2007 at 10:01 am#
I’m only criticizing ace in the specific. I don’t know one bit about this Israeli conspiracy and possibly unjustly dismiss it out of hand. If it is true, it doesn’t belong on every last thread on TP. It seems as of late, ace has a bad case of tunnel vision, is what I’m getting at.
Comment by Wilco — July 18, 2007 @ 9:55 am
When is the last time you saw a thread that it would be appropriate for?
9/11 belongs on EVERY THREAD – EVERY DAY.
Get it?
I’m sure I’ll be banned for revealing too much truth – in context – that doesn’t make it any less true.
How many more of our soldiers should die over a total lie?
July 18th, 2007 at 10:01 amOk. That’s it, ace.
I’ve reported ace to the TP admins. I specifically mentioned that he’s spamming the threads with long messages that make it difficult to read the real posts. Please do the same.
Comment by Boudin Bob
Stop whining and just scroll past.
July 18th, 2007 at 10:01 amAce has a point, those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it.
July 18th, 2007 at 10:01 amComment by Democrat Soldier — July 18, 2007 @ 9:56 am
How’s it goin’ man!?!?!?!?!!?!?!
July 18th, 2007 at 10:01 amYeah, that’s the problem when you say something a conspiracy theorist doesn’t like. You become The Man, one of Them who’re keeping us all down in ignorance, and hence they start treating you like you’re the evil incarnate.
Comment by Boudin Bob — July 18, 2007 @ 9:53 am
I agree. It’s like Bush saying that you are with him or against him. They are unwilling to accept that thinking liberals disagree withthem, so we must be in on the conspiracy ourselves… Rational.
They’ve been attacking me since I debunked the building portion of the theory (I’m an architect) with scientific facts based on education and experience.
I feel that telling people that buildings are virtually indestructable is dangerous. It’s not like the theory is harmless… And that’s what upsets me about it the most.
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Comment by CT_V1 — July 18, 2007 @ 10:00 am
Mr. President appears with his multiple names…here comes the true MEGAphone spam attack.
July 18th, 2007 at 10:03 am#43 ~ You could only be banned from this site for method, not message.
July 18th, 2007 at 10:04 am…They’ve been attacking me since I debunked the building portion of the theory (I’m an architect) with scientific facts based on education and experience…
Comment by unbelievable
I thought you were a science teacher.
July 18th, 2007 at 10:04 amace
There are far more important matters at stake – and not a minute to waste.
Good thing your wasting your time on the interweb then, way to be real proactive.
July 18th, 2007 at 10:04 am(A) rab
July 18th, 2007 at 10:05 am(C) onsolation
(E) nterprise
#46 – Made the move to NY successfully!
Watched the price of gas go from $2.75 in Texas to $3.45 in NY. Ouch! Glad I’m getting relocation! ;-)
The drive to work isn’t too bad, but New yorkers sure like to speed!
Can’t wait until the weekend! I live next to a nature preserve, and plan on taking the dogs for a much-needed long walk!
Thanks for asking! How’s it going with you? I see I missed a number of threads that promised interesting reading! ;-)
July 18th, 2007 at 10:06 amComment by ace — July 18, 2007 @ 10:03 am
Mr. President is NOT CompTROLLER V-1.
July 18th, 2007 at 10:06 am#15 Katie, I have the perfect line for Kucinich when he debates Clinton and Obama.
Kucinich needs to turn and look directly at Clinton and Obama and say…
“Vice President Cheney repeated lies which led us into war in Iraq, he’s threatened Iran with attack in violation of international law and he particpated in the outing of an undercover operative. Yet neither of you are for impeaching Cheney. So I ask you Hillary and Barack, under what circumstances would you be willing to defend the Constitution?”
July 18th, 2007 at 10:07 amDemocrat Soldier
Watched the price of gas go from $2.75 in Texas to $3.45 in NY. Ouch! Glad I’m getting relocation! ;-)
NYC? or upstate?
July 18th, 2007 at 10:07 amace, I’d write it slower if I could.
July 18th, 2007 at 10:08 amYour articles from 2000 and 2005 regarding the “nuclear holocaust” those darn Jews are planning, have nothing to do with what’s on this thread or news of today!
“What did we miss?” is not put in a more historical context by TP. Or at least that’s my understanding. Maybe they do mean in the cosmic sense. But I doubt it.
Be reasonable and considerate of others.
In Praise of Ace
Hats off to Ace for sending well researched, relevant articles. Go far back as PNAC if you want.
The NeoCONS have hijacked this nation. The War on Terror is a Phony War. Al-Queda did not exist in Iraq until 2004. 9/11 was the event that the NeoCONS needed to invade Afghanistan and then quickly divert to Iraq.
“We the People” have been sold a bad sale of goods. We’ve been lied to countless times since 2000 and continue to be fed propaganda.
I just don’t want to wake up some morning with BlackWater USA patrolling my street corner.
Thanks, Ace for the fine work. And anyone that does not agree or want to see your posts are still living with their head up their arse.
July 18th, 2007 at 10:09 amHey, what was the end result of the filibuster?
July 18th, 2007 at 10:10 am#
#43 ~ You could only be banned from this site for method, not message.
Comment by DM — July 18, 2007 @ 10:04 am
As long as Mr. President and his dozen names are allowed to spam these threads day in and day out using Megaphone Software to generate random ISPs and names at will – I don’t believe that TP has the basis to ban me while allowing this shit to go on every day.
Clearly they know it, and condone it.
My style draws them out, and exposes the REAL nature of these threads. They are totally infiltrated by agents with agendas – using professional propaganda tools.
If you see ANYONE post ANYTHING to prove that my claims are false, by all means – make note of it…call me on it.
Prove me wrong – go ahead.
Just don’t use the swiftboating tactics of Rove.
Do the research and prove me wrong – with links and facts.
July 18th, 2007 at 10:10 amLarry, you know I’m not a fan of Kucinich but I’d love him to ask that question.
July 18th, 2007 at 10:12 amGot this from Huffpo–>
http://money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds/articles/djf500/200707171211DOWJONESDJONLINE000491_FORTUNE5.htm
WalMart to sell Religious action figures.
SWEET CAN YOU SAY:
GODZILLA VS JESUS
JESUS HUMPS BARBIE
MOSES VS TMNT
Woohoo, wait till the little KKKRistians find out how fun it is to light them on fire with lighter fluid.
July 18th, 2007 at 10:12 amACE,
July 18th, 2007 at 10:13 amMost of your info is hearsay and taken from Neo-Nazi and Islamists websites.
Your an Iranian agent and a traitor.
Your a pathetic human being that detests aour ally and supports the Iranian regime.
Do like your hero David Duke did and move to Iran!
ace
July 18th, 2007 at 10:13 amDo the research and prove me wrong – with links and facts.
This is all the time I’m spending on this one
If you need more ‘links and facts’ you can always google ‘Debunking 9/11′ yourself, and spend some time reading instead of ctrl-C ctrl-V ing.
Thanks Kay:
That article you have posted is must reading by EVERYONE.
Please keep posting it on every thread. It relates to EVERY topic.
http://911truth.org/ article.php?story=20070716230841584
July 18th, 2007 at 10:14 amACE,
July 18th, 2007 at 10:15 amThe nazi Iranian operative. I’m suprised you haven’t been arrested yet.
Those site you go to are run by Iranian intelligence to get gullable anti-Semites to spew there crap.
Hey did you have that Aryan Nation tattoo?
I wrote my Senators about the health care crisis. Saxby Chambliss, who will be on the chopping block in 2008, has begun to respond. His answer for our health care crisis? Limit the judical branch. Here is my response to his suggestion:
Senator Chambliss,
Thanks for the response. Unfortunately, I strongly disagree with your suggestion to create legislation that would limit our legal system. The Judicial Branch exists solely to make sure that justice exists – for all Americans. By limiting a person’s right to the courtroom in order to resolve his or her grievances, you are taking away his or her Constitutional Right for justice. And when you remove the means for peaceful resolution, you simply ensure a violent one. The legal system works just fine. It’s the medical system that is broken and needs your attention.
While in St.Petersburg, Russia in 1998, I read a fascinating article about revolution, and what are the tipping points in which people will revolt. The answer was simple – death. When people begin dying, revolution becomes their hallmark. And currently, we have the equilavent of (6) 9/11s every year in our country from a lack of functional health care for all.
The peaceful resolution is universal health care, not constricting the judicial system that has served us well for 231 years now.
Sincerely,
(me)
July 18th, 2007 at 10:16 amace,
July 18th, 2007 at 10:16 amThat website is run by Islamists interests.
Who funds it?
Hmmm?
Who do you work for your Moon worshiper?
#
ace
Do the research and prove me wrong – with links and facts.
This is all the time I’m spending on this one
If you need more ‘links and facts’ you can always google ‘Debunking 9/11′ yourself, and spend some time reading instead of ctrl-C ctrl-V ing.
Comment by squegeeboo — July 18, 2007 @ 10:13 am
That is the ONLY link you would choose to post.
Here’s the truth about the Popular Mechanics Debunking story that the ADL and AIPAC rely upon:
But who is Benjamin Chertoff, the “senior researcher” at Popular Mechanics who is behind the article? American Free Press has learned that he is none other than a cousin of Michael Chertoff, the new Secretary of the Department of Homeland Security.
This means that Hearst paid Benjamin Chertoff to write an article supporting the seriously flawed explanation that is based on a practically non-existent investigation of the terror event that directly led to the creation of the massive national security department his “cousin” now heads. This is exactly the kind of “journalism” one would expect to find in a dictatorship like that of Saddam Hussein’s Iraq.
Because the manager of public relations for Popular Mechanics didn’t respond to repeated calls from American Free Press, I called Benjamin Chertoff, the magazine’s “senior researcher,” directly.
Chertoff said he was the “senior researcher” of the piece. When asked if he was related to Michael Chertoff, he said, “I don’t know.” Clearly uncomfortable about discussing the matter further, he told me that all questions about the article should be put to the publicist – the one who never answers the phone.
Benjamin’s mother in Pelham, New York, however, was more willing to talk. Asked if Benjamin was related to the new Secretary of Homeland Security, Judy said, “Yes, of course, he is a cousin.”
http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=86989
July 18th, 2007 at 10:18 amComment by Democrat Soldier — July 18, 2007 @ 10:06 am
Good to see that you’ve made the long move. Must have been tiresome, though. And regardless of the differences of gas prices and speeding, I think you’ll find it to be a good tradeoff. Beats the really stuffy Northern Va. roads here, which very regularly have major accidents to report.
Good luck with the outdoors and your new job, soldier. It’s well deserved.
July 18th, 2007 at 10:18 amI thought you were a science teacher.
Comment by 20wordsor less — July 18, 2007 @ 10:04 am
That’s what you get for thinking…
I teach Architecture, where my prior education and experience lie – which is how I got the job.
I taught Science two years ago in a different district as a career change.
Clear now?
July 18th, 2007 at 10:19 amsquegeeboo sez:
The Popular Mechanics hit piece? You’ve got to be joking.
I’ll see your link, and raise you one.
July 18th, 2007 at 10:19 amGeneral Wayne A. Downing, who was commanding General at Ft Bragg, 1991-1993, a man who came out of retirement after 9/11 to become Commander in Chief of the United States Special Operations Command, died yesterday of Multiple Myeloma.
A good man who believed in this country, who fought for this country, and was wounded several times in defense of his country.
I salute the memory of this good American.
I will also add my mother died of Multiple Myeloma in 1997. This is a horrible form of cancer. Please donate to the American Cancer Association to help find a cure. http://www.cancer.org
July 18th, 2007 at 10:19 amAce,
July 18th, 2007 at 10:19 amWhere are you Iranian stooge?
You spew lies.
I’ve read all the nutball conspiracies, you know who started this nonsence?
It was the Muslims you dickhead.
Keep living your BS world.
Nazi loser!
TripMaster Monkey,]
July 18th, 2007 at 10:20 amPopular Mechanics explained facts not Islamic propaganda like you and your Nazi buddie ace!
Governments have been using false-flag ops for centuries.
In light of this, under layers and layers of denial, people just cannot believe their Government would hurt them OR kill them
Think again.
It’s gonna happen again folks. Chimpy’s getting desperate.
The US Government alligned with Israel, Pakistan, Wall St. and the Military Industrial Complex pulled off 9/11 a conspiracy theory.
or
19 Muslims with boxcutter being directed by a man on dialysis living in a cave: another conspiracy theory.
They are both “conspiracies”
July 18th, 2007 at 10:21 amWait…the TP commentary base is turning on ACE?
July 18th, 2007 at 10:21 amYet neither of you are for impeaching Cheney. So I ask you Hillary and Barack, under what circumstances would you be willing to defend the Constitution?â€
Comment by Larry from C — July 18, 2007 @ 10:07 am
Please email him that as a suggestion. I would LOVE to see that.
July 18th, 2007 at 10:21 amace: maybe you should start your own blog. Cutting and pasting content that goes on for pages and pages does nothing for the dialog here.
July 18th, 2007 at 10:22 amKay,
July 18th, 2007 at 10:23 amYeah MUslims never commit agression!
Why do you support Islam.
Do you want to discuss Islam’s 1600 year wars of agression?
Comment by unbelievable — July 18, 2007 @ 9:23 am
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Please cite that “article”.
For an educator that works with teens you are very well aware that teens as a whole are not mature enough to deal with sexual issues properly. We need to discourage sexual activity at this age. No we will not stop it. And it will take more than abstinence education to affect change. But the millions of children born fatherless and doomed to a life of poverty not to mention those abused or infected with VD or worse AIDS should speak to the minds of any reasonable person that this is undesirable behavior which costs our society dearly.
Even atheist dont want their daughters spreading themselves for every punk that’s looking to get off. And for good reason.
July 18th, 2007 at 10:24 amACE and Kay are Pro-Muslim dimwits.
July 18th, 2007 at 10:24 amThey support the Islamo-Fascist movement and hope Muslims take over.
They should move to Saudi Arabia or Iran!
They’re traitors and losers!
And anyone that does not agree or want to see your posts are still living with their head up their arse.
Comment by Kay — July 18, 2007 @ 10:09 am
Wow… What an amazing retort! When you can’t debate the facts – by all means, ad hominem attack! That’s just so much more convincing…
July 18th, 2007 at 10:24 amRepublicans Can’t Govern,
July 18th, 2007 at 10:25 amYeah Ace’s blog would be called:
I love Islam and hate Christians and Jews!
It would run on Mecca time!
Behind every crime there is a motive.
The motive behind 9/11 : Greed. Hegemony. Power.
looks like the Iraqi people really got all 3 of these. Oh wait, they don’t even have decent electricity.
Looks like Haliburton, Bechtel and all the other War Profiteers were the ones to profit…
July 18th, 2007 at 10:26 amKay,
July 18th, 2007 at 10:27 amAnyone who belives you and ACE are Pro-Muslim traitors!
Go to Saudi Arabia and Iran since you love Muslims so much!
Do you know about the Jihad of the 7th Century?
Did the Jews did that too?
Kay,
July 18th, 2007 at 10:28 amDo you about the Jihad of the 7th century?
I am not a Pro-Muslim nitwit.
July 18th, 2007 at 10:28 amI hope every night before you go to bed the image of Iraqi child being blown up crosses your mind.
You are just afraid of the truth.
#59 Squeegeboo..The Senatorial Slumber Party was an attempt by Democrats to get their favorability ratings up.
If they really, truly wanted to end the occupation in Iraq they’d do exactly as Senator Mike Gravel recommended. They’d draft a law making staying in Iraq a felony. Then they’d hold daily votes to end the occupation. It might take weeks or months to get the Republicans to capitulate. But eventually they’d have to. And the corporate media would have to cover it. But the Senate Dems don’t have the courage or conviction to adopt a strategy that’d work. So instead they resort to silly stunts.
July 18th, 2007 at 10:28 amThe motive behind 9/11 : Greed. Hegemony. Power.
Yes!
July 18th, 2007 at 10:29 amIsl;ami Greed, hegemony and power!
Why are Muslims attacking Buddhists in Thailand?
JESUS HUMPS BARBIE
Comment by Godzilla — July 18, 2007 @ 10:12 am
More likely GI Joe. Jesus was probably gay:
“But I say, anyone who even looks at a woman with lust in his eye has already committed adultery.”
July 18th, 2007 at 10:29 amThe White House yesterday “played down the importance of President Bush’s proposal for a Mideast peace conference and said it was too early to say where or when it would take place.â€
So there might be a peace conference, some day, some where, and it’s the chymp’s idea?
July 18th, 2007 at 10:29 amRight.
I thought you were a science teacher.
Comment by 20wordsor less — July 18, 2007 @ 10:04 am
That’s what you get for thinking…
I teach Architecture, where my prior education and experience lie – which is how I got the job.
I taught Science two years ago in a different district as a career change.
Clear now?
Comment by unbelievable
There’s no need to be so rude, and excuse me for not keeping up with your career change. The last thing I heard about your professional life, you were teaching science—hence my innocent question in response to your claims of being an architect.
July 18th, 2007 at 10:30 amKay,
” hope every night before you go to bed the image of Iraqi child being blown up crosses your mind.”
Yeah It’s funny as hell. Better a dead Muslim than a living one!
“You are just afraid of the truth.”
No, you are. You dodn’t know the history of Islamic Imperialism.
How did Islam spread idiot?
Do you know about the Jihad of the 7th Century?
Why do you avoid this?
July 18th, 2007 at 10:31 amunbelievable
“But I say, anyone who even looks at a woman with lust in his eye has already committed adultery.â€
AAAHHHH!!! I’m a sinner, off to the confession booth for me.
July 18th, 2007 at 10:32 amRodan is The Joker, is the guy who posted as the dead soldier, if I’m not mistaken
July 18th, 2007 at 10:32 am#78…I did e-mail and phone Dennis Kucinich with that line before debate #2. I IMPLORED the person answering the phone to make sure Dennis gets it. It would’ve been a highlight played by media all across the country.
Either the person never got the line to him or he chose not to use it. I’ll never know.
July 18th, 2007 at 10:32 amunbelievable,
July 18th, 2007 at 10:32 amHow about a doll of Mohamad having sex with the 9 year old Ayaesha!
Good Morning Raven, Ace, Jay and Unbelievable,…Happy to read your post’s today…Been absent most of the past 2 week’s and not likely to stick around much for the next few….Computer problem’s I need to fix and activest work are taking up my time…Glad I missed the frey of the bigger site below, the iMac would of blow up again and had to go back to the shop…
I must weigh in on the side of Ace, let all who aren’t bashing other poster’s for their message post their ideas or info and link’s…Rather I agree or not with what they have to say they have a right to say it and I personelly would like to read it and then form my own conclusion’s….If it’s a troll or someone who is merely bashing other poster’s they need to be banned….The personal attack’s and B.S. are a large part of why I have been absent..Instead of joining in like I use to I now scroll past the poster’s I don’t care for and quickly get out…I clearly have enough on my plate right now to take care of and no need to engage an ignorant troll or an angry extreme reich winger….Do as you choose but please do not silence all the voices that do not agree exactly with your thought’s…Read, listen, process and join in where you can……
Have you told some one you love them, how about planting a tree, did you mail off a check or donated to a fund that matches you belief’s?…If not, how about today..Blessings to you all.
July 18th, 2007 at 10:32 amAfter Kucinich asks that question, I would like Edwards to ask him why he insists on being included in debates when Kucinich refuses to debate anyone who ever runs against him!
July 18th, 2007 at 10:33 amThat would be a good question, too.
Rodan = sad soul.
July 18th, 2007 at 10:33 amCongress needs to subpoena ALL of the minutes from Cheney’s secret energy task force meetings so we can not only see who the “players” are but also the plan they hatched pre 911. The handwriting is on the wall for a leak of this information soon and then the people can trace those dots back to the genesis of this “neocon nightmare”.
July 18th, 2007 at 10:33 amWilco
“Rodan is The Joker, is the guy who posted as the dead soldier, if I’m not mistaken”
I am Joker. What dead soldier did I post as?
July 18th, 2007 at 10:34 amI only post as Joker or Rodan which was my original moniker.
Kay=Ignoarant Muslim apologist.
You are ignorant of history.
Veritas,
July 18th, 2007 at 10:35 amYour another Pro-Muslim apologist.
Why do Leftists like you love Muslims so much and hate your own country!
I know: TRAITOR!
Joker, I don’t believe that for a second.
July 18th, 2007 at 10:35 amPlease cite that “articleâ€.
It’s a book – you know – the things you use as door stops?
For an educator that works with teens you are very well aware that teens as a whole are not mature enough to deal with sexual issues properly.
Comment by Troll — July 18, 2007 @ 10:24 am
Stop being ridiculous. There’s a difference bewteen accepting they are sexually charged and the nonsense you suggest. The problem is from repressing their natural urges, which leads to angst. Try to keep up…
As someone who works with teeenagers, I think you grossly misunderestimate them for the purposes of controlling them. They are far smarter than you think you are. Something they repeatedly demonstrate.
Go Google statistics on Europe, where teenage sexuality is treated with understanding and respect. The results? Low pregnancy rates and STDS.
I’ll give you one link for free:
http://www.advocatesforyouth.org/PUBLICATIONS/factsheet/fsest.htm
Join reality, it hurts less…
July 18th, 2007 at 10:36 amwhoa, Ace! Good stuff again today! It certainly feels like Rudy is complicit in all of this – with the setting up of the command center in advance? Wonder who made out on United Airlines before their stock plummeted because of insider trading? The data is there if someone is willing to put it all together.
Of course, the incineration of the Enron documents in Building 7 which has been declared now to have been a “controlled demolition” is also very suspicious….then the untimely death of Ken Lay?? Hmmmm…?????
July 18th, 2007 at 10:36 amI love my country but fear my government.
Rodan = Dillusional Republican Ass Kisser
July 18th, 2007 at 10:36 am“Joker, I don’t believe that for a second.”
What are you talking about?
July 18th, 2007 at 10:36 amCan you explain?
Ace has a point, those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it.
Comment by Prof Shropshire
The only problem with Ace’s postings are that they get repeated and repeated and repeated and repeated, until they become a nuisance.
July 18th, 2007 at 10:37 amI agree with the message, I just don’t need to read it over and over and over and over and over and over and over six or seven hundred times.
ACE and Kay are Pro-Muslim dimwits.
They support the Islamo-Fascist movement and hope Muslims take over.
They should move to Saudi Arabia or Iran!
They’re traitors and losers!
Comment by Rodan — July 18, 2007 @ 10:24 am
Stop it. They have the right to believe it and talk about it. As do others to reject it.
Stop with the insults.
July 18th, 2007 at 10:38 amI know I should “feed the trolls” but sometimes I cannot help myself.
July 18th, 2007 at 10:38 amI now am stopping.
Kay=Delusional Pro-Islamic self hating American!
By the way I hate Bush.
July 18th, 2007 at 10:38 amHe’s Pro-Muslim.
The Republicans are Pro-Muslim like the Democrats.
Muslims really control America if you care to discuss this.
It appears that there were plenty of people who had advance knowledge of what was going to happen on 911 – except for us citizens who were sacrificed for their war! It takes time for the scientists to rebut the official story, for eyewitnesses to come forth, and for enough circumstantial data (stock market, etc.) to be accrued before final conclusions can be ascertained – which is all occurring right now. Rudy was “hand picked” to be the “annointed one” – that’s patently clear now – except that they overestimated Rudy’s intelligence on pertinent issues. That, along with his lisp and extramarital affair with subsequent rejection by his own children doesn’t make for a moral candidate. Sorry, Rudy – wrong man for the job!
It’s all coming tumblin’ down …. Kucinich is definitely onto all of this and is proceeding forward with a reopening of the investigation…not a moment too soon.
July 18th, 2007 at 10:39 amFunny, I thought the Israeli lobby in this country was a hell of a lot more than Muslim
Guess, I was misinformed.
July 18th, 2007 at 10:40 amUn, there is no stopping Joker/Rodan. He is simply not a good person. All he knows how to post is hateful trash. Nothing more.
July 18th, 2007 at 10:40 amSharon…good to see you back.
July 18th, 2007 at 10:40 amThere’s no need to be so rude, and excuse me for not keeping up with your career change.
Comment by 20wordsorless — July 18, 2007 @ 10:30 am
I wasn’t rude. You were projecting as usual.
July 18th, 2007 at 10:40 amAce: As per usual, I am saving each of your posts and sending them to everyone I know. Thanks and keep the info coming!
July 18th, 2007 at 10:40 amunbelievable ,
July 18th, 2007 at 10:40 amI will attack them all day.
The So-called 9/11 truth movement is an Islamic front group. They are reacieveing funding from Iram, Saudi Arabia, Al-Qaeda, Hizb’Allah and even Chinese Intelligence.
Their goal is to destablize this nation and demoralize it.
They’re doing btheir Foriegn master’s bidding!
They are traitors and if we had a governemnt with balls, they’d be shot or hanged!
AAAHHHH!!! I’m a sinner, off to the confession booth for me.
Comment by squegeeboo — July 18, 2007 @ 10:32 am
You’re exempt for not being a Christian… :D
July 18th, 2007 at 10:41 amFun to see some people shoot themselves in the foot…
July 18th, 2007 at 10:42 amThe only problem with Ace’s postings are that they get repeated and repeated and repeated and repeated, until they become a nuisance.
I agree with the message, I just don’t need to read it over and over and over and over and over and over and over six or seven hundred times.
Comment by RUCerious
You don’t appear to have a problem with the innumerable Bush bashings, and the countless anti-Republican remarks.
July 18th, 2007 at 10:42 amI agree with the message, I just don’t need to read it over and over and over and over and over and over and over six or seven hundred times.
Comment by RUCerious — July 18, 2007 @ 10:37 am
How many times have you heard the President “catapaut the propaganda” by repeating the same lies over and over again.
Where is the counterforce on the other side?
The tactic obviously works, or it could never have come to pass that over 80% of US troops in Iraq believed that they were in Iraq to avenge the attacks of 9/11.
Repetition is a tactic.
The tactic works.
How do you propose we un-brainwash a population?
July 18th, 2007 at 10:42 am#7- I could only get to the 3rd page before disgust came over me. The lady on the beach saying “We need to march a few off to the gas chamber” is exactly how they feel..I have had discussions with people who have the same thought process and it never ceases to amaze me how Nazi like they are.. These people are absolutley crazy and we must do everything we can to ensure their true feeling are never acted upon… it happened once before and over 11 million people died…. NEVER AGAIN~!
July 18th, 2007 at 10:42 amI am Joker. What dead soldier did I post as?
I only post as Joker or Rodan which was my original moniker.
Comment by Rodan
One of you trolls posted under the name of a Fallen Soldier who died in Iraq, mocking him and mocking Veterans who fought for this country.
It was either you or the troll who calls himself Mr. President.
Doing such, whoever it was, has brought a complete condemnation from the posters here.
Will that guilty troll also mock my post at #73 remembering General Wayne Downing, who was Commander of US Special Forces, who died yesterday?
July 18th, 2007 at 10:43 amI would not put it past that lowlife at all.
hey are traitors and if we had a governemnt with balls, they’d be shot or hanged!
Comment by Rodan — July 18, 2007 @ 10:40 am
Hitler is smiling from his grave that his legacy of hatred of others lives on.
July 18th, 2007 at 10:43 amRU: Some of this stuff can’t be repeated enough! Most of us regulars here at TP have bookmarked and read Ace’s data; however, it is credible and he provides backup. He doesn’t just provide opinion without support documentation. I appreciate this greatly.
I think we all have to keep in mind that there are many “first timers” here at TP who have not seen or read some of Ace’s information and references. That’s why we have scroll bars I think. I’d much prefer to have to scroll past some of Ace’s posts which I’ve already read than to have to scroll past all of the troll blather, wouldn’t you?
Let’s give Ace some support. He’s been an valuable contributor to the truth of what’s occuring in this government and significant background data which provides necessary insight.
July 18th, 2007 at 10:44 amSpeaking of history repeating itself, when Hitler invaded the Soviet Union during operation Barbarossa, one of the things he expected was the soviet satellite states, such as the Ukrian to welcome the Nazi army as liberators. They did to a certain extent, but then fought back as it became clear the liberation simply made them part of the Nazi empire instead of the Soviet empire.
I guess the dear deciderâ„¢ doesn’t read history texts. I will put it up there with all the other stuff he doesn’t read, like CIA reports, newspapers, or books above a 5th grade level.
July 18th, 2007 at 10:44 amthe troll Mr. President made it a point to blame you, Joker, for the mocking of the Fallen Soldier.
July 18th, 2007 at 10:45 am59 – “NYC? or upstate?” Comment by squegeeboo — July 18, 2007 @ 10:07 am
White Plains area, about 25 miles North of NYC. I live further out, in South Salem, about 50 miles North of NYC. Loving it! ;-)
70 – I remember the Mixing Bowl at 495/95 interchange! What a mess! I was in the MDW (Military District of Washington) for 14 years, and I learned to HATE the roads! I Metro it whenever I’m there as much as I can!
July 18th, 2007 at 10:45 amEither the person never got the line to him or he chose not to use it. I’ll never know.
Comment by Larry from C — July 18, 2007 @ 10:32 am
Too bad – that would be priceless…
The elite in our country have become too passive… If CNN wanted to make amends to its viewers it recently pissed off, it would hold a debate where the views get to ask questions. These people seem to keep forgetting for whom they work.
July 18th, 2007 at 10:46 amblessings, Sharon! Looks like you and I are in agreement this morning regarding Ace bashing. I only wish I had half the intellect which Ace obviously has as well as his ability to facilitate the dispersement of the information. He’s a gem and many of us greatly appreciate what he provides. Good to see you again, Sharon….Peace & Blessings to you!
July 18th, 2007 at 10:46 amI must weigh in on the side of Ace, let all who aren’t bashing other poster’s for their message post their ideas or info and link’s…Rather I agree or not with what they have to say they have a right to say it and I personelly would like to read it and then form my own conclusion’s….If it’s a troll or someone who is merely bashing other poster’s they need to be banned….The personal attack’s and B.S. are a large part of why I have been absent..Instead of joining in like I use to I now scroll past the poster’s I don’t care for and quickly get out…I clearly have enough on my plate right now to take care of and no need to engage an ignorant troll or an angry extreme reich winger….Do as you choose but please do not silence all the voices that do not agree exactly with your thought’s…Read, listen, process and join in where you can……
Have you told some one you love them, how about planting a tree, did you mail off a check or donated to a fund that matches you belief’s?…If not, how about today..Blessings to you all.
Comment by Sharon — July 18, 2007 @ 10:32 am
Bravo, Sharon! And good morning. :)
I agree — trolls, who gives a shit? But feeding on our own, because we don’t exactly agree is non-productive. Some of us appreciate Ace’s comments, and find them quite valuable. Great! Some of us don’t like Ace’s comments, and are free to scroll on by. It doesn’t cost anything.
July 18th, 2007 at 10:46 amKAy,
“Funny, I thought the Israeli lobby in this country was a hell of a lot more than Muslim”
Yes you are wrong.
Why is it the news when there’s a conflict between Muslims and Non Muslims, Muslims are always portaryed as the victims or good guys?
Why is Islam the only religion the ACLU supports having a public display of faith?
Why are Muslims given preferntial treatment in our society?
Why Hollywood never makes movies about Islamic Imperialism?
If you want to discuss 9/11 what if I were to tell you that it was the Chinese Army that had 9/11 attack us to weaken us.
Read a book written by 2 Chinese Colonels back in 1998 called:
Unrestricted Warfare.
In it it says China should us Al-Qaeda to attack the World Trade Center so the US attacks several Muslim countries.
Theh China/N.Korea can strile Taiwan and South Korea.
Care to look into this truthfer?
July 18th, 2007 at 10:46 amWhere did it GO?
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/01/29/eveningnews/main325985.shtml
July 18th, 2007 at 10:47 amRepetition is a tactic.
The tactic works.
How do you propose we un-brainwash a population?
I resent the fact that you are trying to brainwash me. How bout that.
July 18th, 2007 at 10:48 amWayne,
July 18th, 2007 at 10:48 amWhen did the name of the dead soldier name jacking happen?
Ace,
July 18th, 2007 at 10:49 amCare to discuss China’s involvement in 9/11.
Oh I forgot they’re not Jews!
Speaking for myself, I am envious of Ace’s ability to wrap his mind around the myriad of data out there and bring it into focus. Naturally, the diversity of the left means that we will be basically in synchrony overall but each also have our own “take” on the potpourri of issues involved. That’s precisely why we ARE NOT lockstep Republicans and we need to cherish our unique differences, halt the kindred bashing, and use our common voice to make changes in whatever form we can. To expect that we (lefties, for lack of a better moniker) must be like the Republicans and agree with each other every step of the way is nonsensical and counterproductive overall. We need to celebrate our minute differences and be grateful for the diversity of opinion which exists among us.
July 18th, 2007 at 10:50 amUn, there is no stopping Joker/Rodan. He is simply not a good person. All he knows how to post is hateful trash. Nothing more.
Comment by Wilco — July 18, 2007 @ 10:40 am
He has every right to disagree with them, it’s just that when either side turns to insults that it proves they cannot debate on merit.
It’s at the point that I just skip these posts – they don’t want to debate.
July 18th, 2007 at 10:51 amI like ace.
July 18th, 2007 at 10:51 amHe works a lot harder at this than many.
Thank you, ace.
If anyone really believes that Ace is attempting to brainwash them, then it’s their perogative to either read his posts or not read them – just as we do with the trolls. We ALL have our own individual “painbody” with which we identify and honoring them is the first step toward peace.
July 18th, 2007 at 10:52 amRUCerious,
July 18th, 2007 at 10:52 amNotice the troofers aren’t responding to my pointing out their organizations are funded by foreign sources.
Or that China might be ultimately behind 9/11.
They’re frauds and as soon as a hole is ripped into their theories they still continue repetition.
They’re like a cult and they use Nazi Goebellina tactics.
I love argue with them all the time!
They’re shallow and stupid!
They defend Muslims no matter what!
They’re still talking in the Senate. Why no more live blogging?
July 18th, 2007 at 10:53 amIf you want to discuss 9/11 what if I were to tell you that it was the Chinese Army that had 9/11 attack us to weaken us.
Read a book written by 2 Chinese Colonels back in 1998 called:
Unrestricted Warfare.
In it it says China should us Al-Qaeda to attack the World Trade Center so the US attacks several Muslim countries.
Theh China/N.Korea can strile Taiwan and South Korea.
Care to look into this truthfer?
Comment by Rodan — July 18, 2007 @ 10:46 am
That’s the most ridiculous 9/11 conspiracy theory I’ve seen since all the other 9/11 conspiracy theories I’ve seen.
July 18th, 2007 at 10:53 amI think Ace posts valuable information here that we won’t get from TP. I am OPEN to his discussions. Worry about the frickin trolls. Ace does us a great service. They are just as good or bad as unbelievable’s rants on athiesm. And I am a secular humanist. Come on guys give the man a break. Go after the trolls. Thye don’t get to decide what is relevant here. They want us to alienate him. That alone should tell you something.
July 18th, 2007 at 10:54 amveritas ,
July 18th, 2007 at 10:54 amWhy don’t you and ACe discuss China’s connectrions to Al-Qaeda?
Why do the troofers never discuss China?
When I mention it, they get silent about it!
Ace,
July 18th, 2007 at 10:54 amUnfortunately, a lot of folks simply “can’t handle the truth”.
Keep up the great work, and I agree, if TP let’s troll BS stay, then you by all means should keep posting.
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Thank you, and take care all!
July 18th, 2007 at 10:55 amDamn that was fun lastnight. Hello all.
Thanks for your posts ace. Information is why I started coming here in the first place.
July 18th, 2007 at 10:55 amYes you are wrong.
Why is it the news when there’s a conflict between Muslims and Non Muslims, Muslims are always portaryed as the victims or good guys?
Why is Islam the only religion the ACLU supports having a public display of faith?
How blind are you.. You’ve infected our money with your “In God we trust”, our money was fine without your fairy tales.
You then infected the pledge, with your “under god”.. This country was founded to separate church from state, and corporate control.
And the muslims have just as much RIGHT to display their faiths in public just like you. Just get the F out of government. They ARE not treated better than any other faith. You’re just a hateful christian who believes what you’re told by your idiot leaders.
July 18th, 2007 at 10:55 amMorning, Zooey! I saw that some of you kept the midnight oil burning with the filibuster vigil last night. I only wish I could have kept my peepers open that long.
I agree that we have bigger dragons to slay than feeding on our own – something which brights sheer delight to the trolls.
July 18th, 2007 at 10:55 amMy issue with ace was never substantially based. I’m unfamiliar with his claims and he’s of course welcome to whatever ideas and words he’d like. That’s why I didn’t attack his claims. There are countless posts on here to Trolls telling them to stay on topic and we should expect no less of our own.
July 18th, 2007 at 10:55 amYou shouldn’t condemn hijacking threads and then turn around and do it yourself or condone others doing it just because you agree with them.
…and a good morning to Sharon! Great to see you posting, even if just for a limited time!
Blessings onto you, Sharon!
July 18th, 2007 at 10:56 am> You dodn’t know the history of Islamic Imperialism.
Do you dondn’t know the history of European Imperialism?….does that in your mind justify people of any culture who have been brutalized by European imperialism to commit violent acts or wage war against europeans and americans who were descended from those europeans?
July 18th, 2007 at 10:56 amRodan:
Explain why the FBI has NOT listed the crime of 9/11 on the Bin Laden Wanted Poster, and why the FBI refuses to authenticate the purported Bin Laden confession video.
Don’t just attack me – EXPLAIN IT.
These are the facts:
For those of you who actually believe that Bin Laden was involved in the 9/11 attacks, the FBI Most Wanted web site disagrees with you, and so does Wikipedia:
“The FBI does not yet have ‘hard evidence’ linking him to the 9/11 attacks and so as of 2006 he has only been indicted on the embassy murders; he is officially still only a suspect in ‘other terrorist attacks throughout the world’.”
http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/topten/fugitives/laden.htm
Have you actually LOOKED at the person in the fake Bin Laden video?
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/osamatape.html
The FBI declines to confirm its authenticity.
http://www.physics911.net/kevinbarrett.htm
Top Bin Laden Expert: The Tapes are Fakes
Kevin Barrett
As a PhD in Islamic and Arabic Studies, I hate to say this, but I’ll say it anyway. The events of 9/11 had nothing to do with Islam. The war on terror itself is as phony as the latest “Bin Laden tape.â€
Compare the nose of the actor in the video tape with that of Bin Laden:
http://www.911blimp.net/vid_fakeOsamaVideo.shtml
This is NOT BIN LADEN.
Repeat this information often.
LOOK AT THE VIDEO – IT’S FAKE.
July 18th, 2007 at 10:56 amI think I hit an all time low today by resorting to insults. I must rise above this.
I appreciate Veritas, Ace et al. Sometimes it’s a lot harder to take the high road. My mother used to say this me before she died 2 years ago.
She said always try to be the bigger person. From now on I will do my best.
No more insults, as least not from me.
July 18th, 2007 at 10:56 amThis is an “ace lovefest”!! We love you Ace and don’t even think about not posting and providing Truth to those of us who are very hungry for it in this day of total bullcrap and propaganda.
July 18th, 2007 at 10:56 amtoasterhead
Oh yeah
http://www.amazon.com/Unrestricted-Warfare-Chinas-Destroy-America/dp/0971680728
Order it and read it.
July 18th, 2007 at 10:57 amIt was written in 1998. I have the original.
See what’s going on now and what’s in that book.
It’ll send chills down your spine!
I wasn’t rude. You were projecting as usual.
Comment by unbelievable
Ah, there’s the unbelievable that I know so well—redefining the meaning of words in order to escape accountability.
Am I to believe that That’s what you get for thinking… is your standard response to any question that begins with I thought… ?
Is that how you respond to your principal when he or she says, “I thought you were going to (fill in the blank)?” Do you talk to the parents of your students that way? How about the students themselves? How would you like it if your students said that to you?
No matter how much you’d like to put the blame on me, the fact remains—your immediate response was unjustifiably rude.
July 18th, 2007 at 10:57 amThey are traitors and if we had a governemnt with balls, they’d be shot or hanged!
Comment by Rodan — July 18, 2007 @ 10:40 am
Stop it. Go read the Constitution. You don’t shoot people you disagree with… You’re simply validating my earlier post that children who are repressed in their teenage sexual years become violent adults…
The reality is that the conspiracy folks are in the minority… Focus on that.
July 18th, 2007 at 10:58 amugh… remind me i can’t do that very often… up till 4am here…
now, i’m drinking my coffee… cspan in the background…
i hear mcconnel refer to “the junior senator from connecticut”…
did i ??? … because it happens that he was talking about
LIEberman… oy…
such hooey…
July 18th, 2007 at 10:59 amace,
Nice propagganda!
You would make Goebells proud.
How about this book written in 1998?
ahttp://www.amazon.com/Unrestricted-Warfare-Chinas-Destroy-America/dp/0971680728
Read it then see the contexts.
Most of your propganda was 1st printed in late 2001 in the South China Sea Morning Post.
It’s a PLA disinformation campaign designed to deflect China’s role in 9/11.
Read the book and see what’s going on. It’ll send chills down your spine!
July 18th, 2007 at 11:00 amKaty: Today it’s as though the all-night filibuster never happened….back to MSM business as usual – propaganda as usual! Unreal.
July 18th, 2007 at 11:01 amunbelievable,
“You’re simply validating my earlier post that children who are repressed in their teenage sexual years become violent adults…”
I wasn’t repressed in my teenage years!
July 18th, 2007 at 11:02 amI had sex with over 30 girls between 10th and 12th GRade!
I was a big time Playa!
I still am!
The reality is that the conspiracy folks are in the minority
Depends on what conspiracy you are talking about?
19 Muslims
or
US, Israel, Pakistan, Military flase-flag OP (9/11)
July 18th, 2007 at 11:02 amAce,
July 18th, 2007 at 11:03 amSince you believe Islam is not a threat, care to discuss the Jihad of the 7th Century?
For me, today all trolls are invisible. If Bush can create his own reality then so can I….tralala!
July 18th, 2007 at 11:03 amKay….So many conspiracies/not enough time….but what if they were all “connected”…..”intimately connected”?? Now that’s a provocative thought.
July 18th, 2007 at 11:04 amRodan/Joker, whatever your name is
I think the reason no one discusses China’s involvement in 9/11 with you, is most likely because you are a seriously disturbed little boy, afflicted with paranoid delusions, and should see a psychologist as soon as possible. There are medications that can help you if you take them. But don’t listen to me, listen to the voices in your head instead.
July 18th, 2007 at 11:04 amStop it. Go read the Constitution. You don’t shoot people you disagree with…
Comment by unbelievable
No you don’t shoot them. The liberal way is to silence them, and make it illegal for them to speak.
July 18th, 2007 at 11:05 amlater, TP Buddies!
July 18th, 2007 at 11:05 amAh, there’s the unbelievable that I know so well—redefining the meaning of words in order to escape accountability.
What’s with you neocons? You don’t know me.
Unlike you, I think BEFORE I speak. I also don’t sugar-coat crap. So don’t tell me what I think. You don’t know.
Am I to believe that That’s what you get for thinking… is your standard response to any question that begins with I thought… ?
There you go believing again…
Is that how you respond to your principal when he or she says, “I thought you were going to (fill in the blank)?†Do you talk to the parents of your students that way? How about the students themselves? How would you like it if your students said that to you?
Holier-than-thou strawman.
No matter how much you’d like to put the blame on me, the fact remains—your immediate response was unjustifiably rude.
Comment by 20wordsorless — July 18, 2007 @ 10:57 am
I thought you Christains weren’t supposed to be judgmental?
You wanna see rude? Okay – STFU.
July 18th, 2007 at 11:05 amI still am!
Comment by Rodan — July 18, 2007 @ 11:02 am
Oh, so you admit to being a hypocrite then?
That was easy….
July 18th, 2007 at 11:08 amKay,
9/11 was China using Al-Qaeda to weaken America!
Ask yourself this question why would America weaken itself on purpose?
If the US government was so ruthless in attacking itself why are your pathetic organizations in existence?
Why haven’t the leaders of the troofers been killed?
Why when 9/11 happen Chinese Jornalists in a washington Press briefinf room giving each other high fives?
Why did a ranking Chinese General in Hong Kong told a French journalist “Operation Assain’s Mace has begun?’
Care to discuss this?
July 18th, 2007 at 11:08 amWilco sez:
In defense of ace, Wilco, this is the ThinkFast thread, which is accepted by many to be an “open” thread.
July 18th, 2007 at 11:09 amComment by unbelievable — July 18, 2007 @ 10:36 am
Your adolescent, defensive and insulting rants undermine your position.
You did not name the book to which you were referring.
You assume too much. I do not wish to control them and am quite aware of their intelligence but question their maturity and self control particularly in our society.
That they have natural urges does not mean that they should act upon them as the kids in Europe seem to have discovered and as abstinence education teaches. As I said in my original post, “… it will take more than abstinence education to affect change.” Eliminating this aspect of sex-ed will not help us achieve the desired goals.
July 18th, 2007 at 11:09 am#161 – “…the fact remains—your immediate response was unjustifiably rude.” Comment by 20wordsorless — July 18, 2007 @ 10:57 am
Are we to assume that you’ve always been courteous in all your postings, and that you’ve always apologized when you’ve been unnecessarily rude?
Talk about “redefining the meaning of words in order to escape accountability” . . .
July 18th, 2007 at 11:09 amThe liberal way is to silence them, and make it illegal for them to speak.
Comment by 20wordsorless — July 18, 2007 @ 11:05 am
I don’t see your posts here being deleted…
July 18th, 2007 at 11:10 amTime is wasted arguing with each other.
We must continue to bombard John Conyers and demand Harriet Miers be charged with Inherent Contempt for ignoring a subpoena. Why hasn’t she been charged yet! This is beyond outrageous! I just heard Linda Sanchez-D CA on the radio. She says she’s not sure if Harriet Miers should be charged with Inherent Contempt because that’d be very serious. Is she kidding?
Keep calling and demand INHERENT CONTEMPT charges be brough against Harriet Miers!
Nancy Pelosi: 1-202-225-0100
July 18th, 2007 at 11:10 amHarry Reid: 1-202-224-3542
John Conyers: 1-202-225-5126
Linda Sanchez 1-202-225-6676 or 1-562-860-5050
They deleted my original post.
July 18th, 2007 at 11:11 amI will try again.
I support Ace and his ability to see the big picture. I value the information that he brings here, as it is not soemthing I am likely to see anywhere else. I have an open mind and can think for myself. Conspiracies happen all the time. If people are to ignorant to think that the people who hold power and money don’t know how to manipulate it, then as Kay said, your head is up your arse.
The very fact that the trolls hate him is reason enough if I didn’t have any others. Quit feeding off our own. It pisses me off.
Larry, I think it was on RawStory they’re reporting Miers has refused a second subpoena!
July 18th, 2007 at 11:12 amI agree, she should be charged. Haul her in front of congress.
unbelievable,
“You’re simply validating my earlier post that children who are repressed in their teenage sexual years become violent adults…â€
I wasn’t repressed in my teenage years!
I had sex with over 30 girls between 10th and 12th GRade!
I was a big time Playa!
I still am!
Comment by Rodan
Watch it Rodan, you’re about to get a lesson in futility. Unbelievable will never stand corrected or retract a statement. She’ll either claim that you are lying about those 30 girls, or cite some new reason for your repression.
July 18th, 2007 at 11:12 amKrazny,
Ace and Kay are delusional.
Many people are starting to catch on to the China theory.
In fact I’ve spoken to Military members and they even admit they have suspisions on China’s involvement with 9/11.
Let’s look at the connections:
Al-Qaeda/Taliban in Pakistan armed with Chinese made weapons.
Al-Qaeda in Iraq armed with Chinese made weapons.
Hizb’Allah armed with Chinses made weapons.
Hamas armed with Chinses weapons.
Iran aremed with Chinese weapons.
Finally,
The troofer movement funded by the Chinese controlled LIPPO organization.
See the dots?
July 18th, 2007 at 11:13 amDemocrat Soldier
July 18th, 2007 at 11:15 amWhite Plains area, about 25 miles North of NYC. I live further out, in South Salem, about 50 miles North of NYC. Loving it! ;-)
Gotcha, supposed to be a nice area around there.
This is an “ace lovefestâ€!! We love you Ace and don’t even think about not posting and providing Truth to those of us who are very hungry for it in this day of total bullcrap and propaganda.
Comment by veritas
I’d rather you didn’t speak for me, thanks. I find Ace’s lengthy posts irritating and off-topic.
You shouldn’t condemn hijacking threads and then turn around and do it yourself or condone others doing it just because you agree with them.
Comment by Wilco
I couldn’t agree more. If Ace wants to blogwhore and link to posts like this elsewhere, fine, but I don’t see why I should have to scroll past post after post of his masquerading as “comments” because he can’t be bothered to have his own blog.
July 18th, 2007 at 11:15 amBluedahlia,
So why do Ace and Kay don’t explain about China’s ties with Al-Qaeda.
Explain this book
http://www.amazon.com/Unrestricted-Warfare-Chinas-Destroy-America/dp/0971680728
Written in 1998 abou China using Al-Qaeda?
You see the so called troofers deflate when you mention China’ connections to all this.
July 18th, 2007 at 11:15 amThey know it but refuse to discuss i.
It’s too above their tunnel vision!
Fu(k off Rodan,
July 18th, 2007 at 11:17 amI don’t converse with troll whores.
Your adolescent, defensive and insulting rants undermine your position.
Stop projecting, it’s obnoxious…
You did not name the book to which you were referring.
“The End of Faith” by Sam Harris. Now, tell me I didn’t waste my time typing that because you’re actually going to read the book? No… well, then why do you care where I read it? I’d bother to look up the reference, because books I read actually cite their sources, but why bother?
You assume too much. I do not wish to control them and am quite aware of their intelligence but question their maturity and self control particularly in our society.
I assume nothing. I know how your side works. I used to be one of you.
That they have natural urges does not mean that they should act upon them as the kids in Europe seem to have discovered and as abstinence education teaches.
Except that becuase you ignore the overwhelming evidence against that the position, it is validation that you refuse to admit your view is wrong, and that comes from a need to control. Simple Psychology… You give yourself away with your words and actions.
As I said in my original post, “… it will take more than abstinence education to affect change.†Eliminating this aspect of sex-ed will not help us achieve the desired goals.
Comment by Troll — July 18, 2007 @ 11:09 am
You reject valid studies for your own wishful thinking. I see no reason to debate the subject with you and just point out your irrational behavior…
You didn’t even read my link did you?
See… You keep making my points for me and demonstrating that that talking to you is a waste of time because you refuse toa address the facts because you need to be right at all costs.
Shoo now, I am not interested in your ignorant opinions devoid of reality. I get enough from my own relatives…
July 18th, 2007 at 11:17 amI wasn’t repressed in my teenage years!
I had sex with over 30 girls between 10th and 12th GRade!
I was a big time Playa!
I still am!
Comment by Rodan
Sounds rather violent… with this attitude, and score keeping, no respect for the other person is evidenced.
July 18th, 2007 at 11:18 amACe,
Yeah your expert knows nothing about Islam.
He’s a Leftwing Islamic apologist.
Hey care to discuss China’s Operation Assasin’s Mace?
Want to know who really did 9/11?
July 18th, 2007 at 11:20 amHint it wasn’t the JEWS!
Raven,Woemn are just pieces of meat for me.
July 18th, 2007 at 11:21 amThey’re just there to satisfy my sex needs!
Unbelievable will never stand corrected or retract a statement. She’ll either claim that you are lying about those 30 girls, or cite some new reason for your repression.
Comment by 20wordsorless — July 18, 2007 11:12 am
Actually, that’s a lie. I have corrected myself before. Unlike you, I do my homework before I form opinions that are based in REALITY. It gives me an advantage on being correct in my assertions more often than not. Try it. I used to be like you and just thought that the facts would fit my opinions just because they were my opinions. And then, I actually started looking at the facts. Seems that if you do the research first, it means you’re more likely to have an opinion that is factual, rather than the other way around.
Insult me for it all you want, but we know that you’re just lazy and a sore loser…
July 18th, 2007 at 11:21 amSilence from Kay and ace.
July 18th, 2007 at 11:22 amI must’ve overloaded the thoughts!
gummitch,
Thanks for that article at #7. I lost count of the number of times my jaw dropped. I thought only crazy trolls thought that way, but now I see there are many insane people walking around in everyday life — people who seem sane on the outside, while away from their kind…..
July 18th, 2007 at 11:23 amunbelievable,
July 18th, 2007 at 11:23 amHow am I a Hypocrite?
#
Silence from Kay and ace.
I must’ve overloaded the thoughts!
Comment by Rodan — July 18, 2007 @ 11:22 am
Yeah, sure, I’m only capable of linear thought, one concept at a time.
All those links and facts you posted have left me speechless.
Not.
July 18th, 2007 at 11:24 amWhat Rodan didn’t tell us about his sexual exploits is that it was never consensual. That he had a typo. It should have read “I rubbed little Rodan with the images of over 30 girls in my head between 10 am and 12 pm.
And Playa is a term that other people give you. You aren’t one if you have to point it out.
July 18th, 2007 at 11:26 amHow am I a Hypocrite?
Comment by Rodan — July 18, 2007 @ 11:23 am
Do you know what a hypocrite is?
If not, you might wanna start there… It might then be obvious.
July 18th, 2007 at 11:26 amRodan, please go hose yourself off.
July 18th, 2007 at 11:27 amI don’t have a problem with Ace’s message, just the quantity of repetition.
Morning, Zooey! I saw that some of you kept the midnight oil burning with the filibuster vigil last night. I only wish I could have kept my peepers open that long.
I agree that we have bigger dragons to slay than feeding on our own – something which brights sheer delight to the trolls.
Comment by veritas — July 18, 2007 @ 10:55 am
That was fun last night. I wish I could have stayed up longer, but my eyes would no longer focus.
Feeding on our own makes the trolls leap with joy — we must not give them the satisfction. We don’ have to agree 100%, that’s what makes us free thinkers. But at the same time we should not be trying to stifle the thoughts or words of those with whom we don’t see eye-to-eye. Especially on the open thread.
July 18th, 2007 at 11:28 amNeocons on a Cruise: What Conservatives Say When They Think We Aren’t Listening
http://www.alternet.org/story/57001?page=1
Proving it’s possible to be scary, creepy and vastly amusing at the same time. A British writer went on the National Review cruise with a shipload of neocons and reports back.
— gummitch
Damn, these people think exactly like the Nazis did.
July 18th, 2007 at 11:28 amCreepy.
No wonder they are trying to destroy our Constitution
We need to celebrate our minute differences and be grateful for the diversity of opinion which exists among us.
Comment by veritas
Well spoken.
July 18th, 2007 at 11:29 amYou’re links are Pro-Islamic sites or Neo-Nazi sites!
Read Unrestricted Warfare and then think about your theories.
The fact is you have tunnel vision and can’t conceive China pulled off 9/11!
Admit it, you never thought of it!
That is if you can even think!
Byr the way more people believe the china theory than your Israel theory.
How do I know this?
I’ve converted 20 truthers and when having this discussion in front of people the majority all say my theory makes more sence.
You see you troofers are pawns of foreign interes.
You are being used and you are failing!
Read that book then come talk to me and reaserch China and Al-Qaeda.
July 18th, 2007 at 11:30 amIT might shock you!
A playa is a dried up, alkaline desert lake bed.
July 18th, 2007 at 11:30 amVery little grows there.
Well, it’s done. The Republicans blocked the Levin/Reed amendment coming to a vote.
July 18th, 2007 at 11:30 amThanks for that article at #7. I lost count of the number of times my jaw dropped. I thought only crazy trolls thought that way, but now I see there are many insane people walking around in everyday life — people who seem sane on the outside, while away from their kind…..
Comment by Zooey
And these people are not trolls, but people of wealth and power. That’s the part that scares me.
July 18th, 2007 at 11:33 amRUCerious,
July 18th, 2007 at 11:35 amI’m not suprise you agree with ACE.
The Left today is Pro-Muslim and Anti-Christian/Jewish.
Any theory that back your world view you accept.
That’s why you clowns stay far away from the China theory!
They few who took me up and investigated it, were stunned and couldn’t believe how theye are being used.
Ask yourself,
Why sould everything going on now be mention in book written in 1998 by 2 Chinese Colonels?
Strange isn’t it?
Well, it looks like Rodan won’t shut up about Unrestricted Warfare until I post this, so here it is:
http://www.insider-magazine.com/unrestricted_warfare.htm
Here’s a quick summary:
July 18th, 2007 at 11:36 am
Let’s look at the connections:
Al-Qaeda/Taliban in Pakistan armed with Chinese made weapons.
Al-Qaeda in Iraq armed with Chinese made weapons.
Hizb’Allah armed with Chinses made weapons.
Hamas armed with Chinses weapons.
Iran aremed with Chinese weapons.
See the dots?
Comment by Rodan — July 18, 2007 @ 11:13 am
If this were true, wouldn’t their weapons all have fallen apart by now?
July 18th, 2007 at 11:36 amRaven,
July 18th, 2007 at 11:36 amACtually a Playa is Spanish for beach.
Playa is the hood spelling for player.
Well, it’s done. The Republicans blocked the Levin/Reed amendment coming to a vote.
Comment by Zooey
But the fillibuster is on the front page of numerous newspapers, so now America is finally getting a look at its obstructionist Republican party. The media is ignoring this no longer.
July 18th, 2007 at 11:37 amtoasterhead,
China makes very good weaponry.
What world are you in?
Don’t underestimate China a 4000 year civilization.
They’ve been playing this game forever.
China hates the Muslims and America.
They wanted to instigate a fight between both so they can take on the winner.
Everything is going according to plan!
Read this book
http://www.amazon.com/Unrestricted-Warfare-Chinas-Destroy-America/dp/0971680728
Here’s a little hint.
Do you think the recent cases of poison food from China was an accident?
Read the book and you’ll see it’s not!
July 18th, 2007 at 11:40 amThe media is ignoring this no longer.
Comment by Wilco — July 18, 2007 @ 11:37 am
Took them long enough…
I mean, I know that the dead wrestler giving his kid drugs before killing him is so much more vital… Jesus.
July 18th, 2007 at 11:41 amLet’s look at the connections:
Al-Qaeda/Taliban in Pakistan armed with Chinese made weapons.
Al-Qaeda in Iraq armed with Chinese made weapons.
Hizb’Allah armed with Chinses made weapons.
Hamas armed with Chinses weapons.
Iran aremed with Chinese weapons.
See the dots?
Comment by Rodan — July 18, 2007 @ 11:13 am
Isn’t this the same reasoning people used during the cold war? Iran armed with russian weapons, Syria armed with russian weapons etc…
Perhaps the Chinese just like the shiny money the get from selling arms to anyone and everyone. Occam’s razor my friend look it up.
July 18th, 2007 at 11:41 amMy condolences to your family for you mother’s courageous battle.
Comment by DRxJ
Thanks DRxJ. Multiple Myeloma is horrible and something I would never wish even upon my worst enemy. Hopefully there will be a cure someday
I think we should all also extend our condolences to the family of General Wayne Downing as well.
He was my last Commanding General at Fort Bragg. He was a man who cared about his Soldiers. He visited me after I was wounded several times and after each surgery to reconstruct my leg. He made it a point to return to see me, since after one of the surgeries, I was still out from the anesthesia when he came by.
He was a good man. I will remember him.
One of my old squadmates sent me an email this morning to inform me of his death.
July 18th, 2007 at 11:41 amRodan, are you familiar with Gary Allen’s None Dare Call it Conspiracy?
July 18th, 2007 at 11:42 amI thought you Christains weren’t supposed to be judgmental?
You wanna see rude? Okay – STFU.
Comment by unbelievable
You’re being stupid and irrational. Your’re throwing handfuls of dust in the air in attempt to cloud the issue—your rudeness.
You claimed that I was projecting because I thought your immediate response to my innocent question was rude. You said, That’s what you get for thinking.”
Let’s test the consistancy of that kind of response in some other situations.
Doctor to unbelievable; I thought you were feeling better.
unbelievable; That’s what you get for thinking.
Friend to unbelivable; I thought you were going to the mall.
unbelievable; That’s what you get for thinking.
Principal to unbelievable: I thought you were leaving early today.
unbelievable; That’s what you get for thinking.
Parent to unbelievable; I though my student was doing better in your class.
unbelievable; That’s what you get for thinking.
Nobody would respond like that unless they are intending to be rude, and anyone recieving that kind of response would interpret it as such.
Here’s our exchange;
Me to undelievable; I thought you were a science teacher.
unbelievable; That’s what you get for thinking.
Me to unbelievable; There’s no need to be rude…
unbelievable; I wasn’t being rude, you’re projecting as usual.
Care to appologize?
July 18th, 2007 at 11:42 amWell, it looks like Rodan won’t shut up about Unrestricted Warfare until I post this, so here it is:
Comment by TripMaster Monkey
Best just to ignore Rodan/Joker because he is incapable of either learning or listening and will eventually just spiral down into one of his psychotic episodes of mythic history to “prove” something. Anything.
Of all the trolls he is truly the most stupid and most insane. Be warned.
July 18th, 2007 at 11:43 amUn, what’s more pressing than dead killer wrestlers?
July 18th, 2007 at 11:43 amThat’s been Nancy Grace’s lead, middle, and end story for 2 weeks!
And if anyone knows responsible journalism…..
gummitch, you’re right, I should veer off…
July 18th, 2007 at 11:45 amIran armed with russian weapons
Actually wrong.
Most of their weaponry is Chinese using Russian designs as China has perchase the patents.
Here’s a story on Chinese weapons
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/82ce0740-2c03-11dc-b498-000b5df10621.html
Open your mind!
July 18th, 2007 at 11:48 amCare to appologize?
Comment by 20wordsorless — July 18, 2007 @ 11:42 am
Nope. Now shoo…
July 18th, 2007 at 11:48 amBut the fillibuster is on the front page of numerous newspapers, so now America is finally getting a look at its obstructionist Republican party. The media is ignoring this no longer.
Comment by Wilco — July 18, 2007 @ 11:37 am
Is it being reported accurately as a Republican filibuster?
July 18th, 2007 at 11:51 amIf it is being reported accurately, that is a definite win. Exposing these traitors is very important — to this country, not for the Democrat party.
July 18th, 2007 at 11:53 amUn, what’s more pressing than dead killer wrestlers? That’s been Nancy Grace’s lead, middle, and end story for 2 weeks!
And if anyone knows responsible journalism…..
Comment by Wilco — July 18, 2007 @ 11:43 am
How can you stand to listen to her?
Well, with Paris out of jail, I guess there’s nothing else to report about but this…
Michael Moore will be on Larry King again tonight to actually discuss UHC, and not have to defend himself against Dr. Sanjay “Pharmaceutical Kickbacks” Gupta again… This is one issue that so many people are talking about. Except bitter Nancy Grace…
July 18th, 2007 at 11:53 amAnd these people are not trolls, but people of wealth and power. That’s the part that scares me.
Comment by gummitch — July 18, 2007 @ 11:33 am
Absolutey. Talking about executing opponents or about blacks as less than human, just plain freaked me out.
Those things rolled off the tongue quite easily to a total stranger.
July 18th, 2007 at 11:55 amWayne:
Sorry for your loss.
July 18th, 2007 at 11:56 amWayne, condolences to you and your family.
July 18th, 2007 at 11:58 amAnd to the general’s family as well. It’s a rare thing to see a military commander with a heart.
My best friend is a former Lt Col US Army, Retired, with a heart as big as a house…
Care to appologize?
Comment by 20wordsorless — July 18, 2007 @ 11:42 am
Nope. Now shoo…
Comment by unbelievable
I think your comments have been more useful than you know. You have given everyone here a shining example of the kind of lunacy that is prevailant in our schools today. We’ve all seen first hand, your arrogance and irrationality—and to think that you’re in the position to influence our kids. It’s funny how you blame the problems many kids face on everyone else, and take no responsibilty for that yourself. I suppose that’s expecting too much—you can’t even take responsibility for a rude comment.
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July 18th, 2007 at 12:12 pmyou can’t even take responsibility for a rude comment.
Comment by 20wordsorless — July 18, 2007 @ 12:01 pm
It wasn’t rude.
July 18th, 2007 at 12:14 pmIt wasn’t rude.
Comment by unbelievable
I thought it was rude, but what the hell, it’s a troll — and a whiny one at that.
Who cares!!? :-D
July 18th, 2007 at 12:15 pmyou can’t even take responsibility for a rude comment.
Comment by 20wordsorless
Looks like your first comment on this thread:
Stop whining and just scroll past.
Comment by 20wordsor less
You’re in no position to call anyone else rude. Why not just move along as if you were an adult?
July 18th, 2007 at 12:17 pmIt wasn’t rude.
Comment by unbelievable
How else could you have intended, “That’s what you get for thinking.”
July 18th, 2007 at 12:17 pmyou can’t even take responsibility for a rude comment.
Comment by 20wordsorless — July 18, 2007 @ 12:01 pm
Someone on TP was RUDE??? That’s UNBELIEVABLE!!!
Report them to ME!!!
July 18th, 2007 at 12:21 pmHow else could you have intended, “That’s what you get for thinking.â€
Comment by 20wordsorless — July 18, 2007 @ 12:17 pm
Justice.
July 18th, 2007 at 12:22 pmBack at ya, Lady Z, Trip, Veritas, RUCerious…Sorry to be off topic, what ever the hell it is today…..My iMac had a major melt down, mouse shorted out, lost all my old saved email’s, most of my address book and having major problem’s still with a glitch in the down load manager system…Many of the problem’s are with this site alone..Something I have been having problem’s with for nearly 2 year’s..Now there’s a theory for you all to study…I already know the answer from my computer to TP…
Lady Z, giant favor please email me with the cancer info again…The puter crashed the day I was going to write a check to the Cancer run….GRRR.
RUCerious, we have ton’s of Blackberries out our way, will let you know when they are ready for picking if you would like to bring container’s and harvest for free…Be sure and bring the little one so I can take pictures, kid’s love eating berries…And kid’s and puppies are fun to watch..
Much needed rain has finelly arrived….Look’s like we are not getting the vote’s, the cancer continues to progress in our administration untill we can cut them all out…
Blessings to you all today..Please stop the charecter assination’s on each other, just because you don’t like everything about some one doesn’t mean you can’t like something about someone….I don’t agree with everything every poster has to say but with the exception of the reich winger’s and troll’s I agree with far more of the regular poster’s than I disagree with them…Many believe more or less on diffrent topic’s the same as I do, most are not as far to the left as I, still they have good post’s with lot’s of info and above all I respect their input…..Many have been exceedingly kind and tolerant of my short coming’s and allowed me to ramble on and on about my work and true life stories…..Life, I believe, is a never ending learning process, tolerance and compassion must be in the life experience….
During this time in history we are in the worst of times..Never before have I seen our country and the world in such hate and devistation….Only you and I can change the hate to something productive….Stop the hate, fear and distruction in all form’s by directing your attention to removing the causes from our government and stopping the war’s..Please plant the seed’s of tree’s and good will….End of sermon…Peace and Blessings
July 18th, 2007 at 12:22 pmUB said
“Stop projecting, it’s obnoxious…”
Another adolescent, defensive and insulting rant.
“Now, tell me I didn’t waste my time typing that because you’re actually going to read the book?”
I actually have it in my possession.
“No… ”
Wrong again
“…well, then why do you care where I read it?”
Because some of us are actually open minded.
“I’d bother to look up the reference, because books I read actually cite their sources, but why bother?”
Maybe to prove your point.
“I assume nothing. I know how your side works.”
You are terribly assuming and bigoted.
“I used to be one of you.”
And who do you presume I am?
“Except that becuase you ignore the overwhelming evidence against that the position,…”
No it’s not. It’s what you assume my position is not what I actually said.
“…it is validation that you refuse to admit your view is wrong,…”
My view that we should teach kids to be like the kids in Europe and exercise self control and not be so sexually active, that view?
“…that comes from a need to control. ”
Who is projecting? There is a difference between educating and controlling.
“Simple Psychology…”
Now you know me so well you assume the role of my psychologist.
“You give yourself away with your words and actions.”
Demonstrate where.
“You reject valid studies for your own wishful thinking.”
TP said here abstinence ed then it linked to abstinence ONLY. But that study does not validate the alternative sex ed curriculums which existed for thirty years before abstinence ed and failed as miserably. It also does not take into account cultural influences and differences with European society. These are conversations we could have had if you had not been so quick to judge, label and discount me as a fellow human being and educator.
“I see no reason to debate the subject with you and just point out your irrational behavior…”
You have not debated you name call and think that makes you correct.
“You didn’t even read my link did you?”
I did. You are wrong again. Better yet I have actually lived in Europe and am a citizen. Additionally sex-ed is part of my course load, though admittedly not my forte.
“See… You keep making my points for me and demonstrating that that talking to you is a waste of time because you refuse toa address the facts because you need to be right at all costs.”
You have not proven me wrong yet. You have not even debated. You made erroneous and irrelevant claims regarding my motives and called me names like an angry child.
“Shoo now, I am not interested in your ignorant opinions devoid of reality. I get enough from my own relatives…”
Wow and they let you teach children, how sad. But go ahead and run away little girl. Go back to the children who are too afraid of you to challenge your arrogance.
July 18th, 2007 at 12:24 pmComment by unbelievable — July 18, 2007 @ 12:22 pm
UB, the longer you dig in your heels and refuse to admit that your comment was rude, the longer this is going to go on.
Don’t get me wrong…with dolt’s history, a little rudeness thrown his way is entirely justifiable, but attempting to deny the obvious is just fanning the flames.
July 18th, 2007 at 12:25 pmHow else could you have intended, “That’s what you get for thinking.â€
Comment by 20wordsorless — July 18, 2007 @ 12:17 pm
Justice.
Comment by unbelievable
Oh dear God… I know I shouldn’t ask, but—How do you figure?
July 18th, 2007 at 12:26 pmYou’re in no position to call anyone else rude. Why not just move along as if you were an adult?
Comment by gummitch — July 18, 2007 @ 12:17 pm
Impossible…
Living in the South, I’ve noticed how many people don’t take responsibility for their reactions. They don’t get that they choose their interpretation and therefore reaction, but instead blame people for how they have chosen to feel… Rather than ask themselves why they are constantly offended…
They don’t like that I don’t sugar-coat everything. It’s how I’ve learned to differentiate between responsible people and petty people… The ones who can’t tolerate reality aren’t worth the time of day…
July 18th, 2007 at 12:27 pmUB, the longer you dig in your heels and refuse to admit that your comment was rude, the longer this is going to go on.
Exactly :D. You don’t find that amusing on some level?
It actually wasn’t rude. I can’t admit what isn’t so…
Don’t get me wrong…with dolt’s history, a little rudeness thrown his way is entirely justifiable, but attempting to deny the obvious is just fanning the flames.
Comment by TripMaster Monkey — July 18, 2007 @ 12:25 pm
The truth isn’t always obvious… If it were, no one would believe in organized religion anymore.
July 18th, 2007 at 12:30 pmHow do you figure?
Comment by 20wordsorless — July 18, 2007 @ 12:26 pm
With a calculator.
July 18th, 2007 at 12:31 pmunbelievable sez:
Um, UB…why is it that when you do it, you’re “not sugar-coating”, whereas when someone else does it (as Kay did in post #58, it’s an ad homenim?
Bit of a double-standard there, don’t you think?
July 18th, 2007 at 12:32 pmBit of a double-standard there, don’t you think?
Comment by TripMaster Monkey — July 18, 2007 @ 12:32 pm
Nope. There’s a vast difference between being honest and insulting people as she did in her post. You know that.
I know you don’t like me – but this isn’t about you. Don’t try to personalize it. I was just messing with a couple of habitually annoying trolls.
July 18th, 2007 at 12:37 pmunbelievable sez:
Actually, yes, it was. Given my past dealings with dolt, the fact that I am actually taking his side on this issue should make it clear that I am not making this claim for partisan reasons. Zooey shares this opinion…another poster who wouldn’t side with dolt unless the facts demanded it.
But can you admit what is manifestly so?
In this case, it is. The longer you hold out, the more dolt makes you out to be a fool.
July 18th, 2007 at 12:41 pmHow do you figure?
Comment by 20wordsorless — July 18, 2007 @ 12:26 pm
With a calculator.
Comment by unbelievable
I’m surprised that you’re able to commit to entering some numbers.
July 18th, 2007 at 12:43 pmI think UB may be PMSing.
July 18th, 2007 at 12:44 pmComment by TripMaster Monkey — July 18, 2007 @ 12:41 pm
You are entitled to your opinion. You are not entitled to force it on me. I thought you were bigger than that despite our differences in opinion?
The only one who knows my intention was me. To assume you know me better than I know myself is the real definition of foolish.
It was an off-the-cuff joking remark. It was a joke that he took as a serious remark, despite the fact that I don’t take him seriously. But, if you need to believe otherwise to perpetuate your superiority, I really couldn’t care less.
July 18th, 2007 at 12:47 pmunbelievable sez:
Yes…the difference seems to be: “It’s OK when unbelievable does it”.
You castigate others for being rude, and then you attempt to excuse your own bad behavior by claiming you “don’t sugar-coat”. It’s puerile sophistry, and you know it.
I don’t particularly care if you’re rude. It’s no skin off my nose, and I know I’ve been vitriolic here before, especially when it comes to dealing with trolls. I don’t object to your rudeness…I object to your hypocrisy.
Really? How do you ‘know’ that? What makes you think I hold any opinion of consequence about you (other than the one you’re rapidly forming with your hypocrisy, that is)?
Agreed. Please stop trying to make it ‘about me’, then.
Again, I don’t care about your rudeness, and I care less than nothing for the trolls. What I do care about is your ridiculous double-standard. Be rude if you wish…but at least have the common decency to admit it.
July 18th, 2007 at 12:49 pmI’m surprised that you’re able to commit to entering some numbers.
Comment by 20wordsorless — July 18, 2007 @ 12:43 pm
If you unclenched occasionally, you might find that laughing won’t kill you….
I think UB may be PMSing.
Comment by Troll — July 18, 2007 @ 12:44 pm
I see you never tire of being wrong…
July 18th, 2007 at 12:49 pmTMM,
I just skipped your rant. Not interested in your two cents. You’ve mistakenly assumed I care what you think. I do not.
Have a nice life.
July 18th, 2007 at 12:51 pmunbelievable sez:
Just trying to help, UB, but if you want to persist in your foolishness, you go right on ahead. It’s particularly laughable, when you purport to hold yourself up as such a objective and fair thinker.
I’m off to lunch. Try not to make yourself appear any more foolish in the interim.
July 18th, 2007 at 12:55 pmI think UB may be PMSing.
Comment by Troll — July 18, 2007 @ 12:44 pm
I see you never tire of being wrong…
Comment by unbelievable — July 18, 2007 @ 12:49 pm
If you unclenched occasionally, you might find that laughing won’t kill you….
Lol!!
July 18th, 2007 at 12:57 pmsee http://photo2text.com/
July 18th, 2007 at 12:58 pmAgain, I don’t care about your rudeness, and I care less than nothing for the trolls. What I do care about is your ridiculous double-standard. Be rude if you wish…but at least have the common decency to admit it.
Comment by TripMaster Monkey — July 18, 2007 @ 12:49 pm
Well said, TMM.
July 18th, 2007 at 12:58 pmLol!!
Comment by Troll — July 18, 2007 @ 12:57 pm
Was that your attempt to laugh?
Didn’t kill you did it?
July 18th, 2007 at 1:02 pmUB
I have said this before and repeat it with sincere concern. As an educator your defensive nature and inability to maturely and objectively discuss an issue with someone who disagrees with you is alarming. It betrays some deep seated problems and you need to reflect on it.
Just saying.
July 18th, 2007 at 1:18 pmTripMaster Monkey
puerile sophistry
You sir, are a word smith.
unbelievable
I wasn’t planning on weighing in on this, because I know the futility of it, but I also felt it was rude.
An individual does not define rudeness, society does, and in this case, our micro-society of TP seems to have weighed in rather heavily towards it being rude.
July 18th, 2007 at 1:18 pmThe microsociety at TP consists of two regulars and two trolls? LOL
I have a friend who is always saying to me “There you go thinking again” whenever I say anything wrong. It’s a joke. Maybe I’m the only one of the five of us who gets it, but considering I said it, and the unwillingness to give me the benefit of the doubt for having authored it really is petty.
The bottom line is this – in my real life, I never get accused of this. Just here by the same small group of people who don’t like that I don’t care what they think about me.
Let’s make it easy. Just skip my posts if you don’t like what I have to say. I’m not going to start sugar-coating things because you choose to misinterpret what I say. You can only change yourself. You can’t and won’t change me. That should have become obvious by now…
This isn’t personal. If you make it that way, it’s not my problem – even if it’s easier to pretend it is.
July 18th, 2007 at 1:28 pmJust saying.
Comment by Troll — July 18, 2007 @ 1:18 pm
Just wrong. I’ve received glowing reviews from my students, their parents, the community, my supervisors, and my peers.
So, which is more likely… you misread my tone, or an entire community has poor judgment?
Yes, I know your answer. It’s why I rely so heavily on you for advice… LOL
Seriously, lighten up. I’ve admitted when I was wrong in the past, but when I’m not wrong, I am willing to stick to my guns. It’s called conviction. Some people admire it. Some people don’t. Most people don’t care. Fine with me…
So, if you’re done throwing stones from your glass house….
July 18th, 2007 at 1:34 pmClassic denial.
July 18th, 2007 at 1:37 pmClassic denial.
Comment by Troll — July 18, 2007 @ 1:37 pm
LOL… You HAVE made it personal. This is just a blog. People type words and have discussions. It’s not real.
Maybe you should get some reality-based friends. Then you won’t take this all so seriously either…
Well, fun as it is picking your brain, I’m bored now… Bye.
July 18th, 2007 at 1:47 pmUB
“I’ve received glowing reviews from my students, their parents, the community, my supervisors, and my peers.”
Considering the stress of adjusting to a new school and the job itself administrators almost allways give first and second year teachers a lot of slack. Don’t be too comforted by those reviews.
“So, which is more likely… you misread my tone, or an entire community has poor judgment?”
Indeed I may be off in my assesment, often it is difficult to read a person through their writing particularly when, as we have seen here persons often assume characters and role play.
“Yes, I know your answer. It’s why I rely so heavily on you for advice… LOL”
I am not the fanatic you think I am, and I care about you as a fellow human. While your comment was tongue in cheek my advice and concern was not.
“Seriously, lighten up. I’ve admitted when I was wrong in the past, but when I’m not wrong, I am willing to stick to my guns. It’s called conviction. Some people admire it. Some people don’t. Most people don’t care. Fine with me…”
I admire conviction when balanced with objectivity and kindness.
Have a great day UB
July 18th, 2007 at 1:58 pmTTFN
I have a friend who is always saying to me “There you go thinking again†whenever I say anything wrong. It’s a joke.
It could have been a joke, but you didn’t claim that early on, “My bad, I meant it as a joke” and instead of a Brazilian comments about this, there would have been what, 3?
July 18th, 2007 at 2:04 pmNot that I wish to enter this pi$$ing match and make a stand, but I would like to point out one thing:
I have a friend that continuously replys to such statements, especially when indulging in barley and hops beverages, with “well there you go, thinking again…”
For instance, if I had a particularly bad golf shot, and proclaim that ” I thought my 9 iron would carry the creek…” he would then make said reply.
It is definetly a smart a$$ remark, but it is usually not received as “rude” (unless, Mr. John Belushi look a like has over exceeded his max of beer consumption, to which by then, everything he does and says is automatically rude, as well as stupid)
I think it’s hard to convey, on a blog, a sarcastic statement that was intended as a joke. I’ve had that happen to me occasionally.
TPM, though we never might, I thought of you yesterday, after work, as I drove past the Kalamazoo Court House. Usually, every weekday there at 5pm, a handful of “peace protestors” are picketing for Impeachment. This particular gentleman had a hat that read “Impeach Now”, and he was holding a sign that read “9/11. Know The Truth!”
You didn’t make the I-94 westbound trip to Kalamazoo, did ya?
July 18th, 2007 at 2:10 pmDrxJ sez:
As have I, although I seriously doubt that this was UB’s intent, given her acerbic style of discourse, as evidenced by her posting history.
Even if this were the case, her hypocrisy would be undiminished, as the people she castigates for rudeness could just as easily be excused by the same ‘tongue-in-cheek humor’ defense. Funny how that isn’t a consideration when she’s on the offensive.
Nope, sorry, DRxJ…I haven’t been in K-zoo in years. But it’s good to hear that people all over are no longer swallowing the pablum this corrupt and criminal government is spooning out.
July 18th, 2007 at 2:35 pmBut it’s good to hear that people all over are no longer swallowing the pablum this corrupt and criminal government is spooning out.
July 18th, 2007 at 2:45 pmComment by TripMaster Monkey — July 18, 2007 @ 2:35 pm
…and what is really heartening is that, at least the 5 days per week when I drive by, the majority of cars are honking, or people are waving or giving the “thumbs up”. I’ve yet to see a 26%’er flip ‘em off, or yell.
I know for a fact that there are plenty of Republican supporters here in Kalamazoo that still blindly follow this administration, I think they’re just too afraid to show themselves!