Breaking: Judge dismisses Plame’s civil suit.
Breaking: Judge dismisses Plame’s civil suit.
The AP reports:
A federal judge on Thursday dismissed former CIA operative Valerie Plame’s lawsuit against members of the Bush administration in the CIA leak scandal.
Plame, the wife of former Ambassador Joseph Wilson, had accused Vice President Dick Cheney and others of conspiring to leak her identity in 2003. Plame said that violated her privacy rights and was illegal retribution for her husband’s criticism of the administration.
Read more on the leak scandal here.
UPDATE: Full opinion is HERE.
UPDATE II: Flashback — Judge John D. Bates, the judge who dismissed today’s suit, also dismissed the lawsuit over Dick Cheney’s energy task force records:
Judge John D. Bates of Federal District Court found that Comptroller General David M. Walker, the head of the General Accounting Office, did not have sufficient standing to sue the vice president.
Mr. Walker had asked the judge to order the White House to reveal the identities of industry executives who helped the administration develop its energy policy last year.
In declining to do so, and in dismissing Mr. Walker’s suit, Judge Bates said that granting the G.A.O. chief’s request “would fly in the face of the restricted role of the federal courts under the Constitution.”
UPDATE III: In a statement, Melanie Sloan, legal counsel for the Wilsons, promised to appeal the dismissal:
“While we are obviously very disappointed by today’s decision, we have always expected that this case would ultimately be decided by a higher court. We disagree with the court’s holding and intend to pursue this case vigorously to protect all Americans from vindictive government officials who abuse their power for their own political ends.”
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Considering the state of our Justice Department, no big surprise.
July 19th, 2007 at 3:01 pmNo wonder. Her cover had been blown many times before before the alleged leak by the administration.
July 19th, 2007 at 3:02 pmWell maybe if FOX and NPR weren't allowing people to come on their shows and say there was "no underlying crime" maybe she would have a case. Oh well.
July 19th, 2007 at 3:02 pmWait till the prick gets out of office. He won't be able to hide from those seeking retribution for the evil he's done.
July 19th, 2007 at 3:02 pmI don't know what to say about this (yet), so I'll reserve judgment.
July 19th, 2007 at 3:03 pmNot surprisingly, the judge was a Bush appointee (2001), and so compliant (I'm guessing here), that he was also appointed to the FISA court in 2006
July 19th, 2007 at 3:04 pmNo crime was committed so what do you liberals think would happen? Get over it, MOVE ON, as they say..haha
July 19th, 2007 at 3:04 pmBushwacked Once Again. Long Live Treason!
July 19th, 2007 at 3:04 pmSeriously, wait till they leave office, then go after them.
July 19th, 2007 at 3:04 pmBush just said last week that perhaps somebody in his admin did leak. What were the grounds for dismissal?
July 19th, 2007 at 3:04 pm#4: Careful. FBI is here.
July 19th, 2007 at 3:04 pmThe BushCo really want this to come down to a civil war...in America.
July 19th, 2007 at 3:05 pmWTF?
July 19th, 2007 at 3:05 pmTHIS IS A DISGRACE! So now the Bush Crime family gets away with thumbing it's nose, AGAIN, at the U.S. Now, they can GET AWAY WITH TREASON!!!
July 19th, 2007 at 3:06 pmWe have to say NO, THIS DECISION WILL NOT STAND! BUSH & Co., have gotten away with TREASON. And, since now they can get away with Treason -- they can get away with making sure the Repubs. get back in office in 2008. Go to 620kpoj.com and listen to an interview with another Reagan official who is SPEAKING OUT AGAINST BUSH! Paul Craig Roberts, (interviewed by Thom Hartmann) is warning, and I agree, that they are planning another Reichstag to hold power!
Did anyone really think that this would not happen?
July 19th, 2007 at 3:06 pmWho will forward the bad news to Zooey?
Rock-paper-scissors? Straws?
July 19th, 2007 at 3:06 pmAmerican Justice at its worst!
July 19th, 2007 at 3:07 pmwho would have expected any different?
DO NOT LIE
DO NOT CHEAT
DO NOT STEAL
DO NOT MURDER...
why?
THE GOVERNMENT HATES COMPETITION!
July 19th, 2007 at 3:07 pmIt would be nice if you people wait 10 minutes and calm down before posting threads about killing public officials.
July 19th, 2007 at 3:08 pmHey Val, now you and Joe can go vacation back in Africa. Joe knows all about those junkets!
July 19th, 2007 at 3:08 pm"What were the grounds for dismissal?"
A future job promotion and a Medal of Freedom from the President of the Republican Party.
July 19th, 2007 at 3:09 pmWhere the hell are the Oswalds of the world when you really need them?
I guess it is going to be up to the American People to march by the MILLIONS down to 1600 Pensylvania Ave. and take our country back by force?????
I will grab my gun when this happens and GLADLY be part of the country that cares enough to do this......
Don't worry your little hearts out trolls......... I will even give my life to ensure that you get your freedom and country back to what the founding fathers created....
July 19th, 2007 at 3:09 pmU.S. District Judge John Bates ruled that the lawsuit raises "important questions relating to the propriety of actions undertaken by our highest government officials" -- but in a 41-page decision, Bates found the Wilsons failed to show the case belongs in federal court.
Um...where the hell else are you supposed to bring it?
July 19th, 2007 at 3:09 pm#11 ~ As if I give half a shit.
July 19th, 2007 at 3:10 pmCheney will need several hundred Blackwater mercs to cover his ass until he dies.
Then they'll ring his grave site with mercs to prevent us from pissing on it.
Boudin Bob sez:
Oh look...Repuke Lie #658.
Educate yourself.
July 19th, 2007 at 3:10 pmHHAHAHAHA.
So even a Federal Judge sees there is no case and this wasn't an issue to start with. HAHAHA
July 19th, 2007 at 3:10 pmLandSurveyor: Exactly. When Miers refused the subpoena for the second time, I was disturbed by the calls like "throwing her in jail", "chain her up" and "get the sergeant-in-arms" without any consideration for the rules and due process. Now it's deteriorated to the point of people calling for killing of public officials.
Is that what you want Bill O'Reilly showcase the next time he does a segment on liberal blogs?
July 19th, 2007 at 3:11 pmU.S. District Judge John Bates ruled that the lawsuit raises "important questions relating to the propriety of actions undertaken by our highest government officials" -- but in a 41-page decision, Bates found the Wilsons failed to show the case belongs in federal court.
Actually the judge is saying there IS a case but he doesnt want it in his courtroom...dumbass.
July 19th, 2007 at 3:11 pmwho gives a shit what bildo thinks?
July 19th, 2007 at 3:12 pm"Bates found the Wilsons failed to show the case belongs in federal court."
Could a case against top U.S. Government officials somehow end up in your local country courthouse?
July 19th, 2007 at 3:12 pm#19 Landsurveyor ~ hope you weren't referring to my post.
July 19th, 2007 at 3:12 pmHe'll not be able to use his office to prevent him from prosecution after he leaves office...
That was my drift, although pissing on his grave would be satisfying.
Chief Justice sez:
If there was no underlying crime, why exactly was Scooter Libby convicted of obstruction of justice? Why would Scooter seek to obstruct justice at all, if there wasn't an underlying crime to hide?
July 19th, 2007 at 3:12 pm"LandSurveyor: Exactly. When Miers refused the subpoena for the second time, I was disturbed by the calls like “throwing her in jailâ€, “chain her up†and “get the sergeant-in-arms†without any consideration for the rules and due process. Now it’s deteriorated to the point of people calling for killing of public officials.
Is that what you want Bill O’Reilly showcase the next time he does a segment on liberal blogs?"
If there is no freedom what else do you think will happen? If they push one segment fo society over the precepice do you expect all fo them to die like lemmings? Fool.
July 19th, 2007 at 3:13 pm"When Miers refused the subpoena for the second time, I was disturbed by the calls like “throwing her in jailâ€, “chain her up†and “get the sergeant-in-arms†without any consideration for the rules and due process. Now it’s deteriorated to the point of people calling for killing of public officials.
Comment by Lurker dude — July 19, 2007 @ 3:11 pm"
So your against the laws we have?????
The "Inherent Contempt" is a VALID law and looks like the ONLY means the Congress has against this BASTARD in the WH......
I would like to know why you HATE our country and laws???
July 19th, 2007 at 3:13 pmIt looks as if it'll need to be voted down by the SCOTUS.
July 19th, 2007 at 3:13 pmLurker Dude,
July 19th, 2007 at 3:14 pmI don't think most of us here give a flying fcuk what Bill O says.
Seriously you need to relax. Don't get angry don't hurt people and ruin your lives. Encourage young people to vote and protest.
July 19th, 2007 at 3:14 pmThere are always forces internal working against these guys.
bobh says it best.
As for Miers, she has the right to evoke the 5th, she can relay that executive privilege applies to her (gray area) but she cannot just ignore congress' demand to show up.
July 19th, 2007 at 3:14 pm#25: Yet another article that alludes that Plame was covert without giving any proof.
How could she have been covert when she kept friggin' driving to work at the CIA HQ in Langley, VA? Geez...
July 19th, 2007 at 3:14 pmFBI is here.
Comment by Boudin Bob — July 19, 2007 @ 3:04 pm
You ought to know.
July 19th, 2007 at 3:15 pmJust another day in George W. Bush's Empire where he can do whatever he wants.
Democracy
July 19th, 2007 at 3:15 pmRIP
Another bush abomination! We have no Justice Dept. in this country any longer so it's beginning to look like total anarchy! The people will once again rule.....and then it will time for the criminals to pay dearly.
July 19th, 2007 at 3:15 pm"DURR How could she have been covert when she kept friggin’ driving to work at the CIA HQ in Langley, VA? Geez… DURRRRR"
July 19th, 2007 at 3:15 pmSo even a Federal Judge sees there is no case and this wasn’t an issue to start with. HAHAHA
Actually, he said the exact opposite:
U.S. District Judge John Bates ruled that the lawsuit raises "important questions relating to the propriety of actions undertaken by our highest government officials"
Dismissed on jurisdictional grounds. I'll wait while you look up what that means.
July 19th, 2007 at 3:16 pm.
Judge must be a GOPer who works for the criminal Bush Regime!
July 19th, 2007 at 3:17 pmAnother blow to Al Qaeda and their leftwing supporters.
July 19th, 2007 at 3:17 pmGood news....Now can we get back to killing jihadists?
July 19th, 2007 at 3:17 pmHow could she have been covert when she kept friggin’ driving to work at the CIA HQ in Langley, VA? Geez…Comment by BB Brain
Ah, because she was?
You remind me of our President, who when told 3 Brazilians were lost in Iraq he asked 'how much is that in US dollars?'
July 19th, 2007 at 3:17 pmGrounds from dismissal = Bush's Medal of Honor (which clearly means Dishonor these days) Just look at the group of nitwits, liars and thugs who've received it thus far.
However...not rushing to judgment, now that the civil case is dismissed, that means that Libby, Rove, Novak and Miller become total and unequivocal "fair game" to be quesioned thoroughly. No more hiding behind "a pending case" excuse for them, Tweety!
July 19th, 2007 at 3:17 pm#34: But you DO realize that she can't be "dragged to jail" before the full committee votes and there is a vote on the House floor? That is my point. Heck, it isn't even sure there will be enough votes for an inherent contempt citation!
When I look at these hotheads screaming about "chaining her up", I get this vision of an enraged show trial prosecutor in Soviet Russia or in Nazi Germany. That's not how we do things here. Even if the Repubs don't like due process that much, we do things by the book.
July 19th, 2007 at 3:18 pmIf the President does it , it's not illegal.
-Dick Nixon
July 19th, 2007 at 3:18 pmHEyOOOOOOOOoooooooOOOOOoooOOOOOOooooOOOooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Comment by Mr. President — July 19, 2007 @ 3:15 pm
The Israeli Megaphone Operatives are delighted.
What's that tell you?
July 19th, 2007 at 3:18 pmMr. President bragging and taunting ain't classy. Neither is being a cheerleader and flipping the middle finger to tv cameras because you think they're off. Enjoy it while you can.
July 19th, 2007 at 3:18 pmAh, so she was covert because Zimzone says so? Well, ok. Glad we have that cleared up.
July 19th, 2007 at 3:18 pmJohn Bates may be implying that since this reaches into the highest offices in this country, he may not be the one to be doing the work....someone higher may have to be the one. He did concur that it does reach into the highest offices in the country.
July 19th, 2007 at 3:19 pmJudge dismisses Plame’s civil suit
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Well, it's hard to present a case when you have no evidence.
July 19th, 2007 at 3:19 pmNot to worry, there'll be other venues in which the Wilsons can go after Bushco, particularly when they've left office; of course, the line to get to them will be awfully long at that point.
It's weird, but everytime I see SCOTUS, I read SCROTUS; I wonder if that's a subconscious reference to Scalia, who looks like a testicle.
July 19th, 2007 at 3:19 pmThis is my favorite part:
The bare assertion that these actions took place on a Sunday -- a day on which plaintiffs also allege that at least some official government business had taken place -- is not sufficient to rebut the certification that the actions occurred within the scope of employment.
July 19th, 2007 at 3:19 pm"How could she have been covert when she kept friggin’ driving to work at the CIA HQ in Langley, VA? Geez…
Comment by Boudin Bob — July 19, 2007 @ 3:14 pm"
What was she suppose to do????
Drive to the country and walk into the deserted barn, like on Get Smart, and enter into the hidden chamber to go to work?????
Idiot!!!!
People can work at the CIA and still be a spy!
By the way...... Until Bush outed a NOC operative for our country, I did not even know who she was!!!!!!
I guess YOU think that those people working at Brewster Jennings were not under cover as well??????
What do you think they do???? Work like in the movies????
July 19th, 2007 at 3:19 pmYou ought to know.
The Israeli Megaphone Operatives are delighted.
Your paranoia runs SO deep, ace. Get help.
July 19th, 2007 at 3:20 pmWhen, in the course of human events, we transitioned from throwing tea in the harbor to violently throwing the bad guys out, who was surprised???
July 19th, 2007 at 3:20 pm#
“DURR How could she have been covert when she kept friggin’ driving to work at the CIA HQ in Langley, VA? Geez… DURRRRRâ€
Comment by idiocy abounds on both sides — July 19, 2007 @ 3:15 pm
???????
GO TRY AND PHOTOGRAP PEOPEL THAT WORK WHERE SHE WORKS. you'll find yourself being carted off itn eh middle fo the night with a black bag over your head.
July 19th, 2007 at 3:20 pmSO BUSH CAN DISCUSS IT NOW??????
WHAT EXCUSE CAN HE GIVE NOW?
CAN'T WAIT FOR THE CIA TO OUT HIS SKELETONS!
July 19th, 2007 at 3:20 pmI don’t know what to say about this (yet), so I’ll reserve judgment.
Comment by CT_V1 — July 19, 2007 @ 3:03 pm
Rove sure is slow getting those talking points to his trolls, sometimes.
July 19th, 2007 at 3:20 pmSO, BASICALLY, IF THE PRESIDENT OR SOMEONE HE KNOW OUTS AN AGENT, IT DOESN'T COST THEM ANYTHING?
I THOPUGHT THERE WAS A WAR ON TERROR?
July 19th, 2007 at 3:21 pm#53 Tells me plenty, Ace! Thanks to your enlightenment on the subject. Somehow I believe that the revelry of the reichwing is a bit premature and there's much more below the tip of this iceberg. What may have actually occurred is that this judge believes it needs to be taken to a much higher court OR that he just wanted to open up the season a bit early disallowing those involved to hide beneath the cloak of a "pending case". I suspect there's more to this than meets the eye.
Those revelling now may be pouting later when they fully realize the extent of what this actually means.
July 19th, 2007 at 3:21 pmLurker dude
You mean the way Ann Coulter has done several times already?
There looks to me to have only been one highly nonspecific threat on this thread and then a lot of you guys talking about liberals putting out hits on public officials.
Frankly, I trust my eyes on this, not your posts.
July 19th, 2007 at 3:21 pmAh, so she was covert because Zimzone says so? Well, ok. Glad we have that cleared up. -Comment by Boudin Bob
Thanks, I knew you'd come around.
July 19th, 2007 at 3:22 pmI love to taunt libtards.
July 19th, 2007 at 3:22 pm"When I look at these hotheads screaming about “chaining her upâ€, I get this vision of an enraged show trial prosecutor in Soviet Russia or in Nazi Germany. That’s not how we do things here. Even if the Repubs don’t like due process that much, we do things by the book.
Comment by Lurker dude — July 19, 2007 @ 3:18 pm"
At what point do you say ENOUGH IS ENOUGH????
I say that we apply the same tactics to these people that they apply to the prisoners or people they claim are "enemies"......
Equal justice!!!!
It looks like we will have to go this route before we can get back to what America once stood for.
July 19th, 2007 at 3:23 pmOur trolls are such supreme jackasses that they're still trying to debate her "covert status"....which has been qualified and cited by the CIA itself. There is absolutely no debate on this left except if one has been living under a rock or in the depths of the ocean as human detritus.
July 19th, 2007 at 3:23 pmSo even a Federal Judge sees there is no case and this wasn’t an issue to start with. HAHAHA
Comment by Roger_Roger — July 19, 2007 @ 3:10 pm
Um, not exactly:
"U.S. District Judge John Bates ruled that the lawsuit raises "important questions relating to the propriety of actions undertaken by our highest government officials" -- but in a 41-page decision, Bates found the Wilsons failed to show the case belongs in federal court."
Of course remember that Bates is one of the Bush appointees who wasn't purged by Gonzo and Goodling.
July 19th, 2007 at 3:23 pmBoudin Bob sez:
Fine. Perhaps this one will carry a bit more weight with you.
If not, I have a question. If you don't accept the statement of the director of the CIA regarding the status of one of his subordinates as acceptable proof, what will you accept?
July 19th, 2007 at 3:23 pmSO, BASICALLY, IF THE PRESIDENT OR SOMEONE HE KNOW OUTS AN AGENT, IT DOESN’T COST THEM ANYTHING?
I THOPUGHT THERE WAS A WAR ON TERROR?
Comment by RON
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Plame was "outed" by Richard Armitage....Why don't they charge him?
July 19th, 2007 at 3:23 pmthat's because these idiot trolls have nothing better to do with their time. Can only imagine what they must look like - fright night at the Ok Corral, I'm afraid.
July 19th, 2007 at 3:24 pm#
You ought to know.
The Israeli Megaphone Operatives are delighted.
Your paranoia runs SO deep, ace. Get help.
Comment by Boudin Bob — July 19, 2007 @ 3:20 pm
You stated emphatically that the "FBI IS HERE"
Prove it.
July 19th, 2007 at 3:24 pm#72: Then you are not fighting for the same America as I am. Two wrongs don't make right.
July 19th, 2007 at 3:25 pmBob, she was covert because she said so, Fitzgerald said so, the FBI told Novak as much, and the head of the CIA said so.
July 19th, 2007 at 3:25 pmI think there's at least one reliable source in there for you.
In declining to do so, and in dismissing Mr. Walker’s suit, Judge Bates said that granting the G.A.O. chief’s request “would fly in the face of the restricted role of the federal courts under the Constitution.â€
oh great - hes one of those know nothing appointees that think that federal judgeship is ther as a stepping stone not as an actual job - nothing to see here - except a retarded conservoreichrat
July 19th, 2007 at 3:25 pmIf the trolls would take the time to read Bates' official statement (but I doubt they can read) they would see that he is probably providing prima facie evidence of his belief in high crimes and misdemeanors by "people in the highest offices" right here. Just like some half-cocked troll to go off and not do their homework.
July 19th, 2007 at 3:25 pmI have enough information now.....
The case was rightfully dismissed.
Modeling, Valerie. $$$$Modeling$$$$
July 19th, 2007 at 3:26 pmIts time to get out...
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2007/07/20070717-3.html
Make a run for the border...
Maybe I can pick fruit in canada.
July 19th, 2007 at 3:26 pmWhen I look at these hotheads screaming about “chaining her upâ€, I get this vision of
Comment by Lurker dude
Stop right there you freaK! Save that crap for your mom
GO TRY AND PHOTOGRAP PEOPEL THAT WORK WHERE SHE WORKS. you’ll find yourself being carted off itn eh middle fo the night with a black bag over your head.
Comment by bobh
Man, your delusions run deep. Been carted off? Know someone who has? Or is this just speck-you-lay-shun? Spell check, brother, spell check
July 19th, 2007 at 3:27 pmBut Ringo, how could Valerie Plame be "outed" if she wasn't covert?
July 19th, 2007 at 3:27 pmComment by TripMaster Monkey — July 19, 2007 @ 3:25 pm
This judge has excellent credentials. They're irrefutable.
July 19th, 2007 at 3:27 pmAfter reading the decision it still appears there is a viable case, but that administrative remedies need to go forward first. This judge wrote a good brief and it would appear that he makes a case for the plaintiffs, just not in his court...yet.
July 19th, 2007 at 3:27 pmBates = Judge of the FISA court most recently! Thanks for that info....somehow I think this is tying into the spying overall in a HUGE WAY!! No doubt Bates still has connections to the FISA court - you know the one Bush is "supposed to be filing warrants with" for his highly illegal, impeachable spying on citizens program?? Ah, yes....I think I'm beginning to see the larger picture here. Bates is no dummy and he's opening a huge floodgate now.
July 19th, 2007 at 3:28 pmJust like some half-cocked troll to go off and not do their homework.
Comment by veritas —
July 19th, 2007 at 3:28 pmAmen. You have to read the decision as you say.
Good news….Now can we get back to killing jihadists?
Comment by Ringo — July 19, 2007 @ 3:17 pm
"We?"
Does this mean you've enlisted? Which branch?
July 19th, 2007 at 3:29 pmBut Ringo, how could Valerie Plame be “outed†if she wasn’t covert?
Comment by Newt Gringo
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That's why I put the word "outed" in quotes....besides, I never said she wasn't covert.
I really don't know if she was or not.
July 19th, 2007 at 3:29 pm"Then you are not fighting for the same America as I am. Two wrongs don’t make right.
Comment by Lurker dude — July 19, 2007 @ 3:25 pm"
Sure I am......
After a while, you cannot just sit in the chair while you are being beaten on!
You must stand up and return some of those blows......
Only then will you gain ground to effectively make a difference.....
There is a difference between jumping the gun and being beaten to near death by not doing anything.....
After SIX years of total destruction of our nation, it is time to stop sitting on our hands and do something..... It is clear that the odds have been stacked against us and other means of action are needed.
So tell me what do you do when you are being beaten to near death??? Would you just curl up into a ball and die quietly, or would you at least stand up and try to defend yourself?
July 19th, 2007 at 3:29 pmTripmaster: Thanks for providing his bio. Indeed, his CV reads like a pro and I'm sure that his background in the FISA court means something critical to the overall picture here. I think these trolls and the GOP may be celebrating prematurely. What do you think?
This has the feel of an iceberg tip or a shark's fin....what we see above the surface is not quite what's underneath it all.
July 19th, 2007 at 3:30 pm"Man, your delusions run deep. Been carted off? Know someone who has? Or is this just speck-you-lay-shun? Spell check, brother, spell check
Comment by Troll Killah — July 19, 2007 @ 3:27 pm"
JOSE PADILLIA!
July 19th, 2007 at 3:31 pmBoudoir, Peignoir Bob: You speak with such a forked tongue. If, as you assert, one is not truly "covert", then how can they be "outed". Wouldn't they already be outed, if not covert. You're such a moron that you dig your illiterate ditch deeper with each post. There's no way you're being "paid" to troll these threads; if so, it's a collossal waste of someone's money.
July 19th, 2007 at 3:32 pmGood news….Now can we get back to killing jihadists?
Comment by Ringo — July 19, 2007 @ 3:17 pm
“We?â€
Does this mean you’ve enlisted? Which branch?
Comment by toasterhead
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I meant "we" as a nation....I'm too old to enlist and when I was young enough, back in the late 70's and early 80's, I was a moonbat like you.
July 19th, 2007 at 3:33 pm#106 We here at TP know ALL about Mr. Pee and his background. He may believe that he's playing with us but we've got his number loud and clear.
July 19th, 2007 at 3:33 pm"#
#89 Time to seize the assets of all the traitorous libtards !!!!!!
Comment by Mr.President — July 19, 2007 @ 3:29 pm
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I'll give you my bullet collection one at at time...or i can use this selector switch for full auto ror three shot bursts. Your choice ass.
July 19th, 2007 at 3:33 pmBates is no fool and soon we will see what all of this really means. Trust me: every seeming cloud does have a silver lining or a gold one as this case may be.
July 19th, 2007 at 3:35 pmTrust a repuke to not actually know how the CIA really works out its problems….
Comment by bobh
Whatever, your tin-foil is starting to show.
July 19th, 2007 at 3:35 pmYou couldn't get NEAR the CIA Hq. with a camera if you WANTED to.
so you're not likely to be carted away. What was that? Did you hear something?
Let's head over to C & L, Kos, etc. where these trolls have been banned and see what's up.
July 19th, 2007 at 3:35 pmI meant “we†as a nation….I’m too old to enlist and when I was young enough, back in the late 70’s and early 80’s, I was a moonbat like you.
Comment by Ringo — July 19, 2007 @ 3:33 pm
And I always thought people got wiser as they got older. I guess there's an exception to every rule.
July 19th, 2007 at 3:36 pmYou know, Mr. Pwesident and trollies, when we finally cart you off to the gulag you built, we're not going to let you take your "action figures" with you. Poor Reptards; where will you be without Mom to wash your clothes?
July 19th, 2007 at 3:36 pmdeny deny troll, you know u cant do what you proposed someone else could do....take pics of cia spooks without losing your ass...now your running away from it - tard
July 19th, 2007 at 3:37 pm#100: We may be battered as a nation, but our Constitution is still intact and our political system is functioning (although damaged). We are not curled down in a ball and dying.
What I want is a clear vote in the full committee and then a vote on the House floor - just as the law and protocols require - before Miers is locked up in any cell.
Yes, you may be right in saying that she doesn't deeserve it as long as we have people in Gitmo and God knows in what hell holes, but it comes down to this: do we uphold the rule of law or not? I would uphold the rule of law even if we had Hitler re-incarnate on stand.
We don't play Bush's game.
July 19th, 2007 at 3:37 pmJudge Bates was on detail as Deputy Independent Counsel for the Whitewater investigation from 1995 to mid-1997.
July 19th, 2007 at 3:38 pmRingo, you piss stained smag eater, I will repost a question for you earlier that you ran from.
"I have had a lot of conversations with Bush apologists and asked why they support the little guy but have never heard a good reason. It’s typically along the lines of, he’s a “good man†and a Christian. Like the wife of the rapist, they can’t respond with reason or logic to counter the facts.
"Care to give it a shot Ringo? Tell us why you think Bush is something besides a hay bale desperately in need of a broadhead? Or you can just call the 75% of Americans nutz and not worth the effort to educate us."
July 19th, 2007 at 3:38 pmThere are so many things wrong with this country.
It seems almost all of them have the stink of GWB on them.
God, I cannot stand this Admin.
July 19th, 2007 at 3:38 pmMaster Bates strikes again!
July 19th, 2007 at 3:39 pm...that worked out nice for the neocon mafia
Now what? Deny again?
So you are quoting that Capitol Hill Blue things? Have you seen it verified anywhere else? Have you tried posting it on DKos? If you have, you'd know that you'd get the same reply you got from me: Capitol Hill Blue is good for rumors, but not for solid facts and that quote is completely unverified.
You're just hurting your cause when you quote such mateiral.
July 19th, 2007 at 3:41 pm"What I want is a clear vote in the full committee and then a vote on the House floor - just as the law and protocols require - before Miers is locked up in any cell.
Comment by Lurker dude — July 19, 2007 @ 3:37 pm"
For "Inherent Contempt" this is what MUST happen!!!!!
Where in the world are you jumping from this straight to having the seargent of arms arresting her?????
First...... If it were to come before the HOUSE, it is a GIVEN that there are enough votes to ensure this happens......
So why are you saying that having the Seargent of Arms arresting her is out of our Judicial system???? Do you think that the SA is going to just arrest her without this protocal????
So what are you going on about this for?
July 19th, 2007 at 3:41 pmI meant “we†as a nation….I’m too old to enlist and when I was young enough, back in the late 70’s and early 80’s, I was a moonbat like you.
Comment by Ringo — July 19, 2007 @ 3:33 pm
So you were a coward back then, and a coward now, clear enough.
July 19th, 2007 at 3:42 pmSo much for our system of justice. Bush's packing the court with activist neoCON judges is paying off in spades.
This is a very sad day for this country. One more step towards fascism.
July 19th, 2007 at 3:43 pmThe alleged means by which
8Armitage, as Deputy Secretary of State, was accorded "all authorities and functions vested
in the Secretary of State." Delegation of Authority 245, 66 Fed. Reg. 22,065, 22,065 (May 2,
2001).
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defendants chose to rebut Mr. Wilson's comments and attack his credibility may have been highly
unsavory. But there can be no serious dispute that the act of rebutting public criticism, such as
that levied by Mr. Wilson against the Bush Administration's handling of prewar foreign
intelligence, by speaking with members of the press is within the scope of defendants' duties as
high-level Executive Branch officials.8 Thus, the alleged tortious conduct, namely the disclosure
of Mrs. Wilson's status as a covert operative, was incidental to the kind of conduct that
defendants were employed to perform.
WOW! I can't believe the judge actually SAID this. He's essentially saying "Ehh...yeah, they broke the law, but it was incidental and they were doing it because it's part of their job"
What kind of idiot is he?
July 19th, 2007 at 3:43 pmThere are so many things wrong with this country.
It seems almost all of them have the stink of GWB on them.
God, I cannot stand this Admin.
Comment by trueblue
trueblue-You're right, there are so many things wrong with our country. So many have given in to just thinking about themselves and their next Ipod and LCD widescreen, or where to party tonight, that voting or becoming aware of the issues bores them.
Bush came along at the right time for this sort of lack of involvement by the electorate.
July 19th, 2007 at 3:44 pmWe still can make a difference.
He even got banned at RedState for being, quote, “an ass who gives conservatives a bad name” end quote.
I always figured that even dogs hate that prick.
July 19th, 2007 at 3:44 pmBates is just another Bush shill, put in place to do exactly what he did: Protect the administration reguardless of the cost.
Creeps like Bates are ornery Ticks, they've latched themselves onto different parts of all three branches of government where they suck lifeblood, fester, and are difficult to dig out.
There is a very special place in hell for neocons.
July 19th, 2007 at 3:45 pmLike this wasn't to be expected.
Here's some background on Judge John D. Bates:
Judge Bates was appointed United States District Judge in December 2001 (Bush appointee). He graduated from Wesleyan University in 1968 and received a J.D. from the University of Maryland School of Law in 1976. Judge Bates was on detail as Deputy Independent Counsel for the Whitewater investigation from 1995 to 1997. In 1998, he joined the Washington law firm of Miller & Chevalier, who brand themselves as "Washington lawyers, worldwide perspective." In 2005, he was appointed by Chief Justice Rehnquist (conservative -- big surprise) to serve on the U.S. Judicial Conference Committee on Court Administration and Case Management. In February 2006, he was appointed by Chief Justice Roberts (cookie cutter conservative) to serve as a judge of the United States Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court.
Oh, by the way, as a District Court Judge, Bates dismissed the GAO's effort to learn with whom Dickless Cheney's energy task force conferred.
Not hard to tell where this guy's allegiances lie. He obviously carries Karl Rove's pisspot out to dump each day.
July 19th, 2007 at 3:45 pmHmmm. Bates agrees she was covert. Bushtards' heads would explode, but they don't have any.
July 19th, 2007 at 3:46 pm.
yeah jake - unverified thnings are completely unreliable -
liek that guy bagdadi that the army just now said doesnt exist
or the fact that al qaeda was set to kill americans with planes - remember that memo
or any number of things that dont scream - IM TRUE
your a retarded goat
even if it bit you on the ass youd deny it existed right up to the point where you were being swallowed.
July 19th, 2007 at 3:46 pmoh yeah - and ag gonzales didnt talk with anyone about the firing scandal in preparation for their testimony
or...gee the list is so long i just dont know where to go next
July 19th, 2007 at 3:47 pmWOW! I can’t believe the judge actually SAID this. He’s essentially saying “Ehh…yeah, they broke the law, but it was incidental and they were doing it because it’s part of their jobâ€
What kind of idiot is he?
Comment by Hrr? — July 19, 2007 @ 3:43 pm
But doesn't this just mean that they're not personally-liable as individuals?
July 19th, 2007 at 3:48 pm#129: Now, remember where this discussion began. I found it disturbing that people here were practically threatening public officials and compared it to what happened in the Miers thread where, after the Miers' second failure to comply with the subpoena, people kept yelling "throw her in jail" and "chain her up" without much concern for the due process.
Back in that thread I pointed out to people that certain votes will have to take place before that happens and got treated rather rudely for it.
Of course I am not saying that Sargeant at Arms arresting her is out of the Judicial system. I was just pointing out that these votes must take place.
July 19th, 2007 at 3:48 pmDear Mr. P's Mom- LOL! This is exactly the image I have had for some time.
July 19th, 2007 at 3:49 pmThe best judge money can buy!!!!!!!!!
July 19th, 2007 at 3:49 pmWonder if he's on the callgirl list also???
The Libby case? Pheh pheh pheh... no big deal.
This of course will be a big deal. LOL. What a bunch of polesmokers the rightwing and MSM are.
July 19th, 2007 at 3:50 pmI skim-read the decision and the judge threw out the suit, because the plaintiffs did not exhaust they're adminstrative remedies. It is very hard to sue a government official, since they have qualified immunity.
July 19th, 2007 at 3:51 pm(I know, this post is too intelligent to be from the real "Mr. President.")
Master Bates strikes again!
…that worked out nice for the neocon mafia
Comment by Brittany Hume
LMFAO! Thanks, it's deep trollshit today. I needed that one!
July 19th, 2007 at 3:51 pmThese people are PAID “psyopsâ€.
Pfft. Yet another paranoiac.
Geez people. I'm a bored physicist who just likes to stir up sh1t on liberal sites like this while the experiments are running. Yes, I am getting paid, but not for posting. I'm getting paid to grow heteroepitaxial III-V semiconductor nanostructures for cross-sectional scanning tunneling microscopy and atomic force microscopy experiments.
July 19th, 2007 at 3:56 pmWe still can make a difference.
Comment by leftcoast —
I was feeling like there was pretty much no hope left for this country, then you answered my comment.
Thanks for cheering me up a bit.
:)
July 19th, 2007 at 3:57 pmsome guy wrote a blog entry saying that there are no good democratic candidates for prez!!?? Obama, Clinton, Edwards? C'mon! http://www.mypetpeeves.com/plog/index.php/archives/2514 please help me out folks!
July 19th, 2007 at 3:58 pm#144 In an earlier story, Rupert Murdoch was revealed today to be the
July 19th, 2007 at 3:58 pm“24th Member of Blair’s Cabinetâ€:
Comment by Mr. Bush Goes To Hell
Murdoch is poised to take over the Journal. This guy sells paper with war as the conduit.
FREEDOM IS GREAT!
July 19th, 2007 at 3:58 pm
That’s why I put the word “outed†in quotes….besides, I never said she wasn’t covert.
I really don’t know if she was or not.
Comment by Ringo — July 19, 2007 @ 3:29 pm
But what but Richard Armitage, Ringo? Why hasn't he been prosecuted?
July 19th, 2007 at 3:58 pmI’m getting paid to grow heteroepitaxial III-V semiconductor nanostructures for cross-sectional scanning tunneling microscopy and atomic force microscopy experiments. -Comment by Boudin Bob
OK. And I'm a paid psychic who looked into your brain and found...
July 19th, 2007 at 3:59 pm.
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FREEDOM sucks!
July 19th, 2007 at 3:59 pm
Yes, I am getting paid, but not for posting.
Comment by Boudin Bob
You're employers must think the world of you.
July 19th, 2007 at 4:00 pmtrueblue- we're all in this together. Good to hear from you. Your posts are always great.
July 19th, 2007 at 4:00 pmJustice is dead in Amerika. There will be a mandatory rally on Thursday to extol the wisdom of Dear Leader.
July 19th, 2007 at 4:00 pmleftcoast,
**blush**
July 19th, 2007 at 4:02 pmI skim-read the decision
(I know, this post is too intelligent to be from the real “Mr. President.â€)
Comment by Mr.President
Everyone knows the REAL Mr. Pee can't read.
July 19th, 2007 at 4:03 pm"The Court also finds that it lacks subject-matter jurisdiction over the tort claim because plaintiffs have not exhausted their administrative remedies under the Federal Tort
Claims Act, which is the proper, and exclusive, avenue for relief on such a claim."
This isn't over.
July 19th, 2007 at 4:03 pm#152: After you've programmed the growth schedule, those structures practically grow themselves, but you've got to watch over the ultra high vacuum system in case something goes wrong with the cryoshrouds or Knudsen cell cooling, for instance. There's plenty of time to browse the net.
Too bad the right wing blogs have such a strict banning policy that you really can't troll them. I'd love to be an equal opportunity offender.
July 19th, 2007 at 4:03 pmThe OverLord of the FatherLand (HomeLand) shall lead Amerika to destruction. Can we get rid of that moniker Homeland and Patriot Act from the US lexicon? They remind me of Hitler.
July 19th, 2007 at 4:03 pmNever underestimate having friends in low places.
July 19th, 2007 at 4:05 pmtrueblue- Blue cannot blush, just get a brighter blue. God speed.
July 19th, 2007 at 4:05 pmThere is no justice, no accountability and no truth left in this government.
There is only self-enrichment, lies and the forced insertion of ignorant dogma into the machinery of the public weal.
Bush is an incompetent loser, Cheney is a criminal liar and their only remaining supporters won't be happy until they have dismantled everything this country is supposed to stand for.
July 19th, 2007 at 4:06 pmAfter you’ve programmed the growth schedule, those structures practically grow themselves, but you’ve got to watch over the ultra high vacuum system in case something goes wrong
I have that problem ALL the time!
Too bad the right wing blogs have such a strict banning policy that you really can’t troll them. I’d love to be an equal opportunity offender.
Comment by Boudin Bob
I'd love for you to be a little less wing-nutty.
July 19th, 2007 at 4:06 pm"Too bad the right wing blogs have such a strict banning policy that you really can’t troll them. I’d love to be an equal opportunity offender."
Comment by Boudin Bob
Nano nano!
July 19th, 2007 at 4:07 pmThis isn’t over.
Comment by RUCerious
July 19th, 2007 at 4:07 pmRU- so right. I wrote something to this effect earlier. There is no way this is over. Thanks for reiterating.
Got to love it!!!
July 19th, 2007 at 4:09 pmAubreyJ.........
The Israeli Megaphone Operatives are delighted.
What’s that tell you?
Comment by ace
That you're a paranoid schizophrenic.
July 19th, 2007 at 4:10 pmSigh.
I can't stand Pee-Pee's posts.
Anytime the comment section is all the way to the left, I know he's left his mark.
July 19th, 2007 at 4:11 pm… or you will be trampled to the ground!
Comment by Mr. President
By my fat mother who lives upstairs in the 'light' world.
Go get 'em, Mom!
Mr. Pee
July 19th, 2007 at 4:12 pm#157: That Knudsen Cell provides the ideal tool for reproducibly depositing small area thin films of material, with coverages ranging from submonolayer to continuous films. It is great, due to its intrinsically stable evaporation rate, controlled deposition of a wide range of materials and its compact design. Do you agree?
July 19th, 2007 at 4:12 pm(So, now do you think I can read?)
What a great distraction from the real problems with our government. Spy drama anyone? And who could have seen it coming that "Scooter" Libby would go free? As if it matters compared to the fact that the Republican party has been subverting the democratic process of the country by "Voter Caging"and probably other forms of suppression. George Bush makes Nixon look friendly, charming, and polite. Most Americans are flag-suckers, though, and don't realize that Bush has the power to make himself dictator at this point through Presidential Directive 51.
July 19th, 2007 at 4:12 pmMr. President bragging and taunting ain’t classy. Neither is being a cheerleader and flipping the middle finger to tv cameras because you think they’re off. Enjoy it while you can.
Comment by LandSurveyor — July 19, 2007 @ 3:18 pm
That's only because he 'thought' that the light above the live TV cameras meant he was in a red light district.
July 19th, 2007 at 4:13 pmZimzone: From one psychic to another: We DO Know what's going on, don't we?
July 19th, 2007 at 4:14 pm:
July 19th, 2007 at 4:15 pmRU: This is definitely NOT over. Good call. Thought we were making premature troll-jaculations here!
July 19th, 2007 at 4:15 pmZimzone: Do you see an iceberg tip or a shark's fin right now?
July 19th, 2007 at 4:16 pm169: I knew you would say that.
July 19th, 2007 at 4:16 pmVeritas, I knew you were going to post that!
July 19th, 2007 at 4:16 pm(So, now do you think I can read?)
Comment by Mr.President
No. I think you can cut and paste. Or be name hijacked.
July 19th, 2007 at 4:17 pmBut read? and comprehend? above a 2nd grade level?
That's too much to hope for, Mr. Pee.
Aim lower.
Zimzone: Sure you did because you're legit. I know that you know that I know and we both know that there are others with this gift on these threads right now, don't we?
July 19th, 2007 at 4:19 pmEvery time Dick and W. take another whizz on the dying embers of our Republic the resulting steam makes my eyes tear up. I gotta move upwind.
July 19th, 2007 at 4:19 pm#
Oh, come on now Ringo you little coward.
Just give us one reason you like Bush. Beside the fact that you just like the way his balls slap your chin.
Comment by nanlichi — July 19, 2007 @ 4:08 pm
lol
July 19th, 2007 at 4:19 pm175: That was not "cutting and pasting", nor was it "cutting and running". It was simple plagarism.
July 19th, 2007 at 4:20 pmZimz: It's one hellova a gift, isn't it? This gift of sight. Unfortunately, the bull$hit detector that goes along with it gives me serious indigestion these days on the physical plane.
July 19th, 2007 at 4:20 pmNo crime no time, whole case including Squirt Libby was a waste of time and YOUR money. This is what our government has come to and our legal system, we need some changes.
July 19th, 2007 at 4:21 pmI knew it!
July 19th, 2007 at 4:21 pmI just knew it!
Yippee!
veritas,
July 19th, 2007 at 4:21 pmOT - how are Plato and Cicero?
don: What do you suggest?
July 19th, 2007 at 4:22 pmThe judges that are punting are these cases typically do so in the same way.
They find a technical reason to dimiss and then say, "Oh, about the giant massive mind-blowingly disturbing constitutional issues? Oh, those? I, uh, well, um... see ya!"
This is a psychological problem many conservatives have that is rooted with either Mommy or Daddy. They can't confront authority. And they can't confront that. So they find rationalizations. In law, it becomes technical rulings that do not confront the wrongdoing.
So they can let off Mommy or Daddy, while not demonstratively doing something they know that is also wrong - which is not ruling on the wrongdoing.
July 19th, 2007 at 4:22 pmall the more reason we've got to get these bastards out of office sooner rather than later...
July 19th, 2007 at 4:22 pm#180: Good grief now we have to provide spelling lessons as well - for your info: it's "plagiarism" and not "plagarism"... I know - stupidity often manifests itself in incorrect spelling as a first clue.
July 19th, 2007 at 4:22 pmVeritas,
I think I lost some of my power trying to Vulcan Mind Meld BB Brain... it's a vast, unknown wasteland in there, so stand by, my friend.
Wait! I see an Iceberg being pulled by a shark. I can only see a little bit of both, but who knows what lurks beneath?
July 19th, 2007 at 4:23 pmThis is Good news!! It was always a political witch hunt anyway. She was about as covert as my nose! Anything to get Bush, that is the motto.
I am constantly amazed when I read at how "hate filled". Have you people even read one tenth of the content of this website.... talk about intolerant and hateful. You take the prize my friends, every time.
July 19th, 2007 at 4:23 pmHey True: Good to see you. They're great! How about yours? I haven't seen you on thread lately but I've been looking for you. What's new in your world?
July 19th, 2007 at 4:23 pmThe judges that are punting on these cases typically do so in the same way.
They find a technical reason to dismiss and then say, "Oh, about the giant massive mind-blowingly disturbing constitutional issues? Oh, those? I, uh, well, um... see ya!"
This is a psychological problem many conservatives have that is rooted with either Mommy or Daddy. They can't confront authority. And they can't confront... that. So they find rationalizations. In law, it becomes technical rulings that do not confront the wrongdoing.
So they can let off Mommy or Daddy, while not demonstratively doing something they know that is also wrong - which is not ruling on the wrongdoing.
July 19th, 2007 at 4:24 pmHow’s your experiment coming along???
Comment by Mr. President
How's yours coming along?
July 19th, 2007 at 4:24 pmThose skivvies growing mold yet?
I think you've got a good shot at 3rd place at the school Science Fair this year.
Zimz: It’s one hellova a gift, isn’t it? This gift of sight. Unfortunately, the bull$hit detector that goes along with it gives me serious indigestion these days on the physical plane.
Comment by veritas
"It's not easy, having a good time...
sometimes just smiling makes my face ache..."
(Frank N. Furter)
July 19th, 2007 at 4:24 pmDoes Pee think he's the president or Ed McMahon?
July 19th, 2007 at 4:24 pmHey Bob,
I didn’t know you were a scientist! How’s your experiment coming along???
Comment by Mr. President — July 19, 2007 @ 4:20 pm
My experiment to determine how long a rightwing nuttard will go before cracking is coming along fine. How are the cold sweats treating you?
July 19th, 2007 at 4:25 pmTo be wingnut or not to be wingnut.Dat's tha question.
July 19th, 2007 at 4:25 pmZi, ~ Sounds like you're remote viewing!
July 19th, 2007 at 4:25 pmCareful, that shit can send you into another dimension, one of sight and sound, you know...
veritas: You are so right. I am so ashamed.
July 19th, 2007 at 4:25 pmEverything faded into mist. The past was erased, the erasure was forgotten, the lie became the truth." George Orwell - 1984
July 19th, 2007 at 4:26 pmActivist judge.
July 19th, 2007 at 4:28 pmWow. Just wow.
July 19th, 2007 at 4:28 pmwow, what a NO SOUP FOR YOU! moment.
guess that's what we get when the republicans have gamed the system.
July 19th, 2007 at 4:28 pmveritas,
Haven't been around because the trolls have really gotten out of control.
Named her biscuit. She's on my bed chomping on a toy right now. Weighs a whopping 4 lbs.
I've got to get you to facebook so you can see her.
:)
July 19th, 2007 at 4:29 pmComment by Doug
I am constantly amazed when I read at how “hate filledâ€.
at how hate filled? I'm constantly amazed at how few coherent sentences the trolls are able to form.
talk about intolerant and hateful.
We don't hate, that's a RePuke lie. Keep letting them feed you, you won't ever notice the cage you're in.
You take the prize my friends, every time.
July 19th, 2007 at 4:29 pmI sense a bit of jealousy.
I am the real Mr. President!!!!! Ignore 204, he's a fake.
July 19th, 2007 at 4:29 pmThere is only one Mr. President. He is unitary.
July 19th, 2007 at 4:31 pmCan't I be Mr. President? My daddy was! So I wanna I wanna I wanna!!!!
July 19th, 2007 at 4:32 pmDoug: We on the right side of the political spectrum are always on our best behavior, and never say we hate libtards. Now sing along, Doug . . .
July 19th, 2007 at 4:32 pm"Evrything is beautiful, in its own way . . ."
Does Pee think he’s the president or Ed McMahon?
-Comment by trueblue
Nahhh, he's just a
Typical
July 19th, 2007 at 4:32 pmRepukelican
Off topic
Laughinstock
Losers
Bob’s the scientist, not me.
Comment by Mr. President
Comment by Mr.President — July 19, 2007 @ 4:12 pm
You do the math, get your mom to help.
How many “Mr.Presidentâ€s do you libtards think are really here?
Comment by Mr.President
Even one is too many.
July 19th, 2007 at 4:32 pmWeell, for those of you who work for the CIA, remember this next time you go to vote.
THIS is what you'll get, for voting republican.
July 19th, 2007 at 4:34 pmWhy do yo waste all of your time on the blogs ? Are you queer or something? Why can't you give it to me like a Real Man?
July 19th, 2007 at 4:35 pmand why don't you tell everyone here why you call me "Pickles". They are what I use on you!! you worm.
I am the real Mr. President!!!!! Ignore 204, he’s a fake.
Comment by Mr.President
Everyone get that? IGNORE MR. PEE (at his request)
I am the real Mr. President!!!!
Comment by Mr.President —
hijacked by Cheney?
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July 19th, 2007 at 4:36 pmOne more reason for Congress to pick up the slack and get serious.
July 19th, 2007 at 4:37 pmMr P is like watching a scizophrenic argue with himself.
I'm scared.
July 19th, 2007 at 4:37 pmlet's just legalize marijuana so we can all get along
July 19th, 2007 at 4:38 pmforgot the h, sorry
July 19th, 2007 at 4:39 pmMr P is like watching a scizophrenic argue with himself.
Comment by trueblue — July 19, 2007 @ 4:37 pm
Like?
July 19th, 2007 at 4:39 pmFISA. I noticed that too. He was appointed to the FISA court by Cheif Justice Roberts after googling the judges name.
http://www.dcd.uscourts.gov/bates-bio.html
"In February 2006, he was appointed by Chief Justice Roberts to serve as a judge of the United States Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court."
What else is new?
July 19th, 2007 at 4:40 pmI’m scared.
Comment by trueblue
It's ok,
July 19th, 2007 at 4:41 pmHe can't chew through the bars.
It's kind of fun watching him try, though.
And the jacket he's wearing tazers him if he gets past the threshold.
Has anyone noticed how incredibly hot Valerie Plame is?
:|
Sorry Joe. Can't blame a guy for looking.
July 19th, 2007 at 4:42 pmIt's totally progressive to name-jack myself.
July 19th, 2007 at 4:42 pm235: You sir, are a fake.
July 19th, 2007 at 4:43 pmThis is an f'n outrage.
July 19th, 2007 at 4:43 pmHas anyone said Plame is hot yet? Well, she is.
July 19th, 2007 at 4:43 pmWow. I just signed on.
Mom finally let me up to 'get some sun' before she 'gets some son'.
Looks like you Leftists have been doin’ some name-jacking…
I've been doing a little 'jacking' of my own. Wanna see?
Comment by Mr. President
July 19th, 2007 at 4:44 pmWow!! Mr. President is as whacko as the real one. How about a little soft music in the dayroom to calm down.
July 19th, 2007 at 4:45 pmI am shocked and dismayed to see I've been name-jacked while I was "taking care of things". I really need to get a laptop so I can continue to post while I'm on the bowl.
July 19th, 2007 at 4:45 pmNurse Ratchet,
I think he needs what Jack Nicholson got.
July 19th, 2007 at 4:47 pmIt always amazes me as to the complete and total ignorance by the vast majority in the MSM and the public, as to the actual facts of this case.
Libby obstructed justice and lied under oath. Nothing else matters, and you can ask the hundreds that are jailed every year under these statutes. Hell, ask Marth Stewart. No underlying crime, she just lied (forgot) to investigators. The fact that Libbies lies were to protest Cheney and Bush, makes the lying more heinous.
The civil suit was to get damages for ruining Valerie's claim. Sounds like they got bad legal rep.
July 19th, 2007 at 4:47 pmBut she’s not nearly as sexy as Anne Coulter!!!!!!
Comment by Mr. President — July 19, 2007 @ 4:44 pm
Well I wouldn't know on that one, I'm not a homosexual.
July 19th, 2007 at 4:49 pmMr. President, Roaches, Mom's old douchebag
Name three worthless things in the basement
July 19th, 2007 at 4:49 pmBARTLEBEE, ForTruth,
I guess she is - speaking as a woman.
Her hair is really pretty, but it looks like it took an hour to get it that way. Look at it. It's not hair you can touch.
Otherwise, Yeah, I guess.
July 19th, 2007 at 4:51 pmI think the majority of those that are making violent posts are mostly trolls trying to make the good readers of TP look hostile. Anybody who actually researched a bit on this issue knows this is not the end, and the judge even commented on the behavior of the administration in a negative light. None of us can read his mind but this is less likely a conservative base decision (like SCOTUS did last week) and more a conservative (as in cautious) ruling. This is not the end of this issue.
July 19th, 2007 at 4:52 pmAnn is a Mooslim sucker.
Comment by CT_V1 — July 19, 2007 @ 3:24 pm
So clever! No refutation to be made, so you stoop to vitriol and name calling. How mature and educated of you. Rove must be so proud.
July 19th, 2007 at 4:52 pmComment by Karnac
HI-OOOOOooooohhhhhhhh!
:)
Thanks for the laugh.
July 19th, 2007 at 4:53 pmMr. President works so much better with the lights out. You don't think Laura has that grin naturally?
July 19th, 2007 at 4:55 pmIt’s not hair you can touch.
Comment by trueblue
No, it's hair you can pull.
July 19th, 2007 at 4:55 pm"get over here, you naughty little spy, you"
Her hair is really pretty, but it looks like it took an hour to get it that way. Look at it. It’s not hair you can touch.
Comment by trueblue — July 19, 2007 @ 4:51 pm
You don't know that for sure. It might just be straight hair with a wave. It looks pretty normal to me.
She's a hot spicey blonde. And she's a spy, which makes her even more sexy. And the fact that she's not a right wing maggot, makes her that much hotter.
July 19th, 2007 at 4:56 pmMr. President works so much better with the lights out. You don’t think Laura has that grin naturally?
Comment by Mr. President
The grin is because when the lights go out, she brings in a sheep and goes to sleep in the other room.
July 19th, 2007 at 4:56 pmAnn is a Mooslim sucker.
Comment by CT_V1 — July 19, 2007 @ 3:24 pm
So clever! No refutation to be made, so you stoop to vitriol and name calling. How mature and educated of you. Rove must be so proud.
Comment by ann — July 19, 2007 @ 4:52 pm
He meant Ann Coulter.
July 19th, 2007 at 4:57 pmComment by Mr. President — July 19, 2007 @ 4:59 pm
Or make themselves look a little bit silly. You choose.
July 19th, 2007 at 5:03 pm"Yeah, I guess Plame is hot.
But she’s not nearly as sexy as Anne Coulter!!!!!!"
I'm not sure how to tell you this, little troll. But "Anne" used to be "Dan," before the operation. You mean, you really didn't know?
I can sort of understand liking the fake boobs and calling yourself heterosexual, but I'm not so sure about liking the fake vagina.
July 19th, 2007 at 5:05 pmAll of the crying and moaning about nothing. You sound like five women with a yeast infection and five on the rag, all in the same room! What a whine and cheese party!
July 19th, 2007 at 5:06 pmBut “Anne†used to be “Dan,†before the operation. You mean, you really didn’t know?
Oh, he knew. That was when they finally realized there were irreconcilable differences. Up until that point, there 'sameness' was what attracted them to each other.
July 19th, 2007 at 5:09 pmComment by Johnny Swank — July 19, 2007 @ 5:06 pm
You cazy feminist! Stop it, next time you'll be asking for the vote!
July 19th, 2007 at 5:10 pmGood news….Now can we get back to killing jihadists?
Comment by Ringo — July 19, 2007 @ 3:17 pm
I'll buy you a way one ticket to Saudi Arabia where you can kill all the jihadis you want. Don't lose your head!
July 19th, 2007 at 5:10 pmAnne Coulter sexy???????????????
About as sexy as (Hot) Karl Rove.
ESAD, Neocons!
July 19th, 2007 at 5:20 pmLet us demand that this judge is removed for conspiracy to obstruct justice. it is clearly having a problem with recusal in the face of serious obstacles to fair and impartial judicial practice. It is also in a position to refuse to rule based on the matter being one that could result in a constitutional crisis of his own making. This judge appears to be making this decision.
Any of these are not enough on their own to question the actions of a judge, but the combination of factors weighs heavily on the future of this country and the ability for impartiality. It certainly appears to the people that this jurist is attempting to quash actual justice behind a ruse. If this was but an attempt by Ms. Wilson's attorney to put this before the public, fine. That is their right. But in the face of the overwhelming evidence that this is treason, the judge has crossed the line.
Since our legal system is run by a criminal now, this one is seen as assisting both the disgraced AG and the VP. Both of which have admitted to felonies, both of which are hiding thousands of examples of felonies, including treason, and giving comfort to the enemy in a war zone, and in time of war internationally, and war profiteering, to mention a very few. Internationally, there will be war crimes to add to this.
I would ask Judge John D. Bates to resign; You are now a potential cause of anarchy in our society due to a visible violation of the public trust. I would ask for a recall proceedings for this jurist now.
It is time for us to list the appointees of a criminal enterprise that with such exposure will shake the foundations of the world. Being blind to it is now excuse any longer. That is the argument that the nazi's used to shield themselves for the murder of millions. Every one of the appointed and approved positions granted by this president must be recalled so that we can determine if there has been malfeasance in the appointment and the activity of persons not qualified for the job. It is just a part of the impeachment process.
July 19th, 2007 at 5:22 pmChief Justice: "No crime was committed so what do you liberals think would happen?"
Boudin Bob: "No wonder. Her cover had been blown many times before before the alleged leak by the administration."
Roger Roger: "So even a Federal Judge sees there is no case and this wasn’t an issue to start with. HAHAHA"
It's not surprising that conservatives don't know fact one about this issue. They watch Fox. What they never saw or heard on fox was the most important legal opinion in the case - the lead federal prosecutor. Fitzgerald said this:
"[I]t was clear from very early in the investigation that Ms. Wilson qualified under the relevant statute (Title 50, United States Code, Section 421) as a covert agent whose identity had been disclosed by public officials, including Mr. Libby, to the press."
Yes, a crime was committed. I thought conservatives were supposed to respect the rule of law.
July 19th, 2007 at 5:24 pmWhen will we have had enough of this? How much of this transparent criminality and abuse of power can the American vision sustain before it can no longer be taken seriously? “Our government... teaches the whole people by its example. If the government becomes the lawbreaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy†(Justice Louis Dembitz Brandeis). Stop the madness. Look at how much worse off EVERYTHING (save for the Bush base perhaps) that this administration has touched is.
July 19th, 2007 at 5:24 pmit's time for impeachment proceedings
July 19th, 2007 at 5:25 pmSo there goes George W Pinochet! Now I guess his next step is to make those in opposition mysteriously disappear?
July 19th, 2007 at 5:25 pmI really feel sorry for the Al Qaeda operative Plame. How is she going to keep her husband stocked with liquor with no job and no law suit?
July 19th, 2007 at 5:26 pmIf a conservative or republican were to say "lets kill the president" or "where are the Oswalds when you need them", we would be considered anti-american. You morons get on here and your patriotic. Some country!
July 19th, 2007 at 5:28 pmAre not you people worried that the black baggers are going to get you in the middle of the night for posting anti bush stuff
July 19th, 2007 at 5:30 pmThis dismissal will keep the Plame matter in full view of the American people. Appeal, then the Supreme Court.
Hopefully by that time, Rove, Cheney, Bush and the rest will be sitting at the Hague for crimes against humanity.
July 19th, 2007 at 5:30 pmLook at the posts above, folks…
You are NO LONGER “debating†or conversing with “trollsâ€.
These people are PAID “psyopsâ€.
Look at the posts. NOTHING intelligent to contribute or DEBATE.
Just Karl-Rove-type “heyooâ€s and other bullzhit…
In an earlier story, Rupert Murdoch was revealed today to be the
“24th Member of Blair’s Cabinetâ€:
http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/19/murdoch-blair/
Also, MURDERER Bush is a COXUCKER PUNK TRAITOR TO THE USA, who will be arrested by the next President and put in jail
UNTIL HE DROPS DEAD.
And goes to hell from there.
July 19th, 2007 at 5:31 pmComment by Frank J — July 19, 2007 @ 5:26 pm
Quality irony. No-one could be that stupid to post that without being ironic. If they had then they would be one of those idiots that makes the rest of us cry with laughter.
July 19th, 2007 at 5:32 pmAre not you people worried that the black baggers are going to get you in the middle of the night for posting anti bush stuff
Comment by Randy
We would be if we were paranoid schizophrenics like yourself.
July 19th, 2007 at 5:34 pm"Are not you people worried that the black baggers are going to get you in the middle of the night for posting anti bush stuff
Comment by Randy"
That's correct, we are not.
Are you afraid the brown baggers are going to take your free lunch?
July 19th, 2007 at 5:41 pmWhat, are you now a NMBLA member?
July 19th, 2007 at 5:48 pmOne more short term battle won by Bush. And one more nail in the coffin of the Republican Party.
Don't worry folks... this will pay off for us in next year's elections... just keep imagining the outcome... Madame President... a Senate of 54 Ds and a House of 260 D's (estimated).
Their time is coming soon folks.
July 19th, 2007 at 5:48 pmThis is another wake up call.... on talk shows you hear many claim they are ready to go for the arms and fight for our constitution. Isn't that what the oath was all about... the oath those took going into the military? We have 550 days left...Are we in for a revolution? very scary times.
July 19th, 2007 at 5:48 pm"Are not you people worried that the black baggers are going to get you in the middle of the night for posting anti bush stuff"
Comment by Randy — July 19, 2007 @ 5:30 pm
It's cheney and his brown shirt supporters that concern me.
July 19th, 2007 at 5:50 pmI am now a NAMBLA member!
Comment by Marcus Aurelius
fixed it for you.
July 19th, 2007 at 5:50 pmThis is what you get Valerie for putting your own ass on the line for the National Security of your country. Outed by the Bush administration and then dismissed by one of their cronies.
How can anyone wonder why there is such dis-respect for our Justice system?
Send $$$ to the Wilsons trust raising on line
July 19th, 2007 at 5:57 pmYou think they're going to selectively honor the American People's right to vote? There will be another false flag attack on the US, just prior to the next scheduled election, and Bushco will suspend the Constitution. I know that progressive people don't like the idea of guns, but you should probably buy one (or some) as soon as possible. We're all in the Militia now.
July 19th, 2007 at 5:57 pmPartisan activist judge.
July 19th, 2007 at 6:06 pm"for the evil he’s done.
Comment by RUCerious — July 19, 2007"
What evil?
July 19th, 2007 at 6:20 pmWell this is no surprise, from the Judge's bio:
Judge John D. Bates
Judge Bates was appointed United States District Judge in December 2001. He graduated from Wesleyan University in 1968 and received a J.D. from the University of Maryland School of Law in 1976. From 1968 to 1971, he served in the United States Army, including a tour in Vietnam. Judge Bates clerked for Judge Roszel C. Thomsen of the United States District Court for the District of Maryland from 1976 to 1977 and was an associate at Steptoe & Johnson from 1977 to 1980. He served as an Assistant United States Attorney for the District of Columbia from 1980 to 1997, and was Chief of the Civil Division of the U.S. Attorney's Office from 1987 to 1997. Judge Bates was on detail as Deputy Independent Counsel for the Whitewater investigation from 1995 to mid-1997.
In 1998, he joined the Washington law firm of Miller & Chevalier, where he was Chair of the Government Contracts/Litigation Department and a member of the Executive Committee. Judge Bates has served on the Advisory Committee for Procedures of the D.C. Circuit and on the Civil Justice Reform Committee for the District Court, and as Treasurer of the D.C. Bar, Chairman of the Publications Committee of the D.C. Bar, and Chairman of the Litigation Section of the Federal Bar Association. He was a member of the Board of Directors of the Washington Lawyers Committee for Civil Rights and Urban Affairs. In 2005, he was appointed by Chief Justice Rehnquist to serve on the U.S. Judicial Conference Committee on Court Administration and Case Management. In February 2006, he was appointed by Chief Justice Roberts to serve as a judge of the United States Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court.
http://www.dcd.uscourts.gov/bates-bio.html
The guy worked as one of the hacks hunting down Clinton's sex life.
Rp
July 19th, 2007 at 6:32 pmWhat evil Mikey?
Take a hike over to Iraq and spend a week walking around. Hire an interpreter and have them ask the people you meet on the street about their lives.
July 19th, 2007 at 6:56 pmThen come back here and if you still don't know what evil, I'll buy you a pretzel.
She’s [Plame] a hot spicey blonde. And she’s a spy, which makes her even more sexy. And the fact that she’s not a right wing maggot, makes her that much hotter.
Comment by BARTLEBEE — July 19, 2007 @ 4:56 pm
And the fact that she's not a 15-year-old boy ruins it for me.
July 19th, 2007 at 7:56 pm"Anne Coulter sexy???????????????
About as sexy as (Hot) Karl Rove."
Sorry. Just barfed in my lap and all over the keyboard imaging that horrific combination of images. Keep the Terms of Use agreement in mind, please; this mess is going to take awhile to clean up.
July 19th, 2007 at 8:03 pmThe writing is on the wall This corruption prevails throughout this entire government. Time to pick up your picks and harrows. The monster is in the lighthouse/whitehouse. Even the village idiot is stirring...hmmm something is very wrong.
July 19th, 2007 at 8:14 pmTwo words for you all, Richard Armitage.
July 19th, 2007 at 8:55 pmTwo more words, Karl Rove.
July 19th, 2007 at 8:56 pmHere's my two words worth:
July 19th, 2007 at 8:58 pmDick Cheney
My voice proclaims
How exquisitely the individual Mind
(And the progressive powers perhaps no less
Of the whole species) to the external World
Is fitted:--and how exquisitely, too,
Theme this but little heard of among Men,
The external World is fitted to the Mind . . .
Hee's my William Wordsworth.
July 19th, 2007 at 9:01 pmHee’s my William Wordsworth.
Comment by Egreggious
Capital, my friend!
Sorry, all I have left in my head
July 19th, 2007 at 9:07 pmon this thread,
is the Steve Winwood song "Valerie".......
going to go take a cold shower now............
that "judge" was bought and paid for... wonder if his kids are proud of him...
July 19th, 2007 at 9:45 pmWell hey, the Judge that convincted Libby was a Bush appointee too. But he did his job. This guy is just an asshat.
Funny, because I JUST got done having a conversation with a Canadian about how American justice-system sucks. Well, here ya go. More proof our system sucks.
July 19th, 2007 at 10:08 pmI always hear the Goper talking point about either Joe blowing the cover or Valerie outing herself.
I never see the links and reasearch associated with that claim.
July 19th, 2007 at 10:22 pmWow. While this isn't a huge surprise, it is a disappointment.
July 19th, 2007 at 10:52 pmThank you, Joe and Valerie, for your service to the nation. You both served with honor and distinction, and that service is by no means erased by the jackals who assaulted you. This proud American will not forget.
July 19th, 2007 at 11:10 pmComment by marlow — July 19, 2007 @ 11:10 pm
Seconded!
July 19th, 2007 at 11:10 pmThe Court also finds that it lacks subject-matter jurisdiction over the tort claim because plaintiffs have not exhausted their administrative remedies under the Federal Tort Claims Act, which is the proper, and exclusive, avenue for relief on such a claim.
You know, I saw this too, and I looked upt he FTCA (Federal Tort Claims Act) to see what it was all about.
comprehensive legislative scheme by which the United States has waived its sovereign immunity to allow civil suits for actions arising out of negligent acts of agents of the United States. The United States cannot be sued in a tort action unless it is clear that Congress has waived the government's sovereign immunity and authorized suit under the FTCA.
So, essentially, Congress has to waive immunity and then they can be sued. But if that's the case, the case should have been thrown out long ago and/or Palme's lawyers should have already gotten the waiver? It seems that if Palme DID get the waiver, then Bates statement about lack of jurisdiction is all crap.
July 19th, 2007 at 11:17 pmDoesn't Judge Bates also own a Motel?
Or maybe I'm just confusing him with some Psycho relative of his?
Which may explain why Judge Bates is covering for the Republican Psychos in the White House, Republican Psychos who didn't think twice about disclosing the top-secret covert identity of a career CIA officer, who was responsible for protecting our nation, and our nation's children, from the threat of other Psychos getting their hands on nukes or other WMD.
Yep, Psycho-loving Judge Bates has done a great, great service for the criminal Psychos in the Bush administration, but has done a grave, grave disservice to our nation.
Nooorrrmmaann!!!! Be a dear. Would you get that nice judge, cousin Bates, to come up here and change my bedpan, once he's finished changing the White House bedpans?
July 20th, 2007 at 12:01 amIf you want to see what the judge said it can be found here. It is quite lengthy but has been an interesting read so far.
http://www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/show_public_doc_2006cv1258-52.pdf
July 20th, 2007 at 12:15 amTreason is involved as has been commented by others, though it is not directly mentioned in this particular Valerie Plame case according to at least some legal perspectives. Valerie Plames Attorney is right in further pursuit of this case such as building on the case of Treason guilt by Vice President Cheney recorded in recent previous news at NewsWhiteHouse.com. The fact is, as at the top of this Think Progress page shows, many lower courts wrongly focus on how laws pertain to their jurisdictions rather than on the higher principles, such as checks and balances, the higher reason for the Judicial Branch in the first place: Instead of detracting from the Libby case guilt and similar, it is the duty of the Judicial Branch to pursue: High crimes rather than less significant. The Judicial Branch is to pursue even such as after the Libby pardon, to find the extent of corruption given far more than a good lead from reliable sources.
July 20th, 2007 at 6:49 amI take objection to one comment, that Bush is a "punk." I don't see how anyone could think that he belives in the punk ideology, anti-government control and pacifism in general, and I doubt very much he likes the music.
I will state something more important here though:
July 20th, 2007 at 7:59 amLots of comments, but why doesn't any focus on "the law." Political arguments are fine, but a judge has to follow the law and that includes the Constitution. There may in fact be no remedy under the US Constitution - and that the judge so found, doesn't mean that he is biased or mean.