Pentagon: ‘Public Discussion’ Of Iraq Withdrawal ‘Reinforces Enemy Propaganda’
Pentagon: ‘Public Discussion’ Of Iraq Withdrawal ‘Reinforces Enemy Propaganda’
On May 23, Sen. Hillary Clinton (D-NY) sent a letter to Defense Secretary Robert Gates urging him to “prepare plans for the phased redeployment of U.S. forces.”
Given the express will of the Congress to implement a phased redeployment of United States forces from Iraq and the importance of proper contingency planning to achieve that goal, I write to request that you provide the appropriate oversight committees in Congress - including the Senate Armed Services Committee - with briefings on what current contingency plans exist for the future withdrawal of U.S. forces from Iraq. Alternatively, if no such plans exist, please provide an explanation for the decision not to engage in such planning.
Clinton said she conveyed similar concerns in a private meeting with Joint Chiefs of Staff chairman Peter Pace, and has publicly warned the administration that redeployment is “complicated” and “If they’re not planning for it, it will be difficult to execute it in a safe and efficacious way.”
On Monday, Clinton received a “biting reply” from Under Secretary of Defense Eric Edelman, who told Clinton that “public discussion” of withdrawal is inappropriate:
Premature and public discussion of the withdrawal of U.S. forces from Iraq reinforces enemy propaganda that the United States will abandon its allies in Iraq, much as we are perceived to have done in Vietnam, Lebanon and Somalia. … [S]uch talk understandably unnerves the very same Iraqi allies we are asking to assume enormous personal risks.
Edelman is directly contradicted by Defense Secretary Robert Gates, who testified that debate over Iraq redeployment has been “helpful in bringing pressure to bear on the Maliki government.” Additionally, these “very same Iraqi allies” aren’t unnerved by talk of redeployment, but overwhelmingly favor it — 71 percent of Iraqis want the U.S. troops to withdraw within a year.
UPDATE: ThinkProgress has obtained Edelman’s letter HERE.
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This made me laugh.
Kate Beckinsale to play Judy Miller in Plame movie.
Do you think Judy bribed someone to get Kate to play her?
July 19th, 2007 at 2:15 pmMr. President is a pain in the butt!
July 19th, 2007 at 2:20 pmEdelman is directly contradicted by Defense Secretary Robert Gates, who testified that debate over Iraq redeployment has been “helpful in bringing pressure to bear on the Maliki government.â€
Indeed. The damned Iraqis in the government are just sitting there letting the US protect them in the Green Zone.
Once the Iraqi polticians’ asses are hanging in the breeze, they’ll get to work. Until then, they’re a bunch of coddled babies. Makes no damned sense at all.
July 19th, 2007 at 2:20 pm.
Kate Beckinsale is hot, Judy Miller is not…
“Premature and public discussion of the withdrawal of U.S. forces from Iraq reinforces enemy propaganda…”
that’s right, free people of America… just keep your treasonous mouths shut…
July 19th, 2007 at 2:22 pmyes, use propaganda to try to shoot down any opposition to the war or the bush administration. and, while you’re at it, call it propaganda too!
Sadly, I think this still works on some people. There are plenty who are living their lives in fear of being killed by the boogey man (terrorists).
There are plenty of people who jump as soon as bush says so.
They’re happy to give up their liberty and yours, just so they can have some sense of safety. And even that is just an illusion because the policies of this government are making us all much less safe.
I hope more people in this country develop a backbone. Terrorists will never destroy us - it’ll come from within, and fear is a major driving force in that.
Some reading on this:
July 19th, 2007 at 2:22 pm“You Are Destroying America. Yes, You.”
http://www.populistamerica.com/ you_are_destroying_america_yes_you
Premature and public discussion of the withdrawal…
= we don’t have a plan…
there is no plan to leave…
July 19th, 2007 at 2:23 pmduh…
Au contraire — Hillary is giving a fine example of how democracy works (or, in this case — how democracy is SUPPOSED to work). What better model do we have to show the budding democrats (small d) in Iraq what they are striving for, than our constitutional right to free speech, our right to dissent, and our ability to resolve our conflicts with calm discourse instead of violence? And we don’t have much time left to set this example — we must demonstrate quickly, before our own regime cuts off all dissent forev
July 19th, 2007 at 2:25 pmDamn, he doesn’t know who he’s dealing with. Brilliant move, piss off the Lady who knows how to deal with a cheating husband.
You just gave her ammo.
July 19th, 2007 at 2:25 pmSorry, the ENEMY PROPAGANDA is pretty much generated by the Department of Defense “psyops”.
As well as Rupert Murdoch, revealed today as the “24th Cabinet Member” to Tony Blair.
As well as Propaganda Mentor to Karl Rove…
PURE TREASON…
July 19th, 2007 at 2:26 pmI’m totally for a withdrawal from Iraq as soon as possible.
That being said, if I was Mr. Edelman, I’d tell Senator Clinton to go fly a kite.
She has questions about the war, go to the President, or Secretary Gates.
This type of thing is totally inappropriate.
July 19th, 2007 at 2:26 pmRepublicans talking about staying the course emboldens the enemies and makes our trolls dumber.
July 19th, 2007 at 2:27 pmClinton like all of us need to understand WE ARE NOT LEAVING IRAQ this year - next year or anytime soon. The Military “changes in command” (code for removals and firings) over this last year are BushCo getting all Military Commmand to step-in-line with their Mantra as we see evidenced by this letter from Edelman. Note to self - beign to mentally prepare for IRAN WAR -it is coming before Bush leaves office. Some say by Fall. The “new” surge we hear about these last weeks is real. Though I don’t hink it is for Iraq security as mcu as it is placing more trooops “In the Theatre” when we take on the Islam World (IRAN) - another loser war brought to us by the NeoNuts running this country into the ground.
July 19th, 2007 at 2:27 pmMr. president namejacked a fallen soldier and accused his buddy of lying about his service!
HeyooooooooOOOOOOOoooooooOOOOOO!
July 19th, 2007 at 2:27 pmTHAT’S interesting –
– Americans want to get out of Iraq in roughly the same proportion that Iraqis want us out.
July 19th, 2007 at 2:28 pmSorry - forgot a bunch of these: !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
July 19th, 2007 at 2:28 pmenemy propaganda ?
This from a neocon lightweight who’s major claim to fame is being one of Cheney’s toadies?
Former ambassador to Turkey?
Edelman’s two-year stay in Ankara turned into a lightning rod for deepening anti-U.S. sentiment in Turkey. The Turkish columnist Ibrahim Karagul wrote: “Edelman is probably the least-liked and trusted American ambassador in Turkish historyâ€
Heckuva job Ericky!
July 19th, 2007 at 2:29 pmA recent private letter between senior al Qaeda leaders declared their “most important” goal was “prolonging the war” in Iraq. The letter, confiscated in the fatal June attack on the leader of al Qaeda in Iraq, Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, and translated by the Combating Terrorism Center at West Point, argues that pinning the United States into an open-ended commitment in Iraq will strengthen jihadists around the world.
July 19th, 2007 at 2:29 pmAs always, MURDEROUS WAR CRIMINAL Bush is a COXUCKER punk TRAITOR to the USA…
July 19th, 2007 at 2:29 pmEdelman: Try spinning your bullshit on some other people. We’re not buying it - you sicko spinmeister.
July 19th, 2007 at 2:30 pmRU: Hey - is “enemy propaganda” in the same category with “the killers”?? These morons really stay up all night thinking of more stupidity to foist on the american public, don’t they? What a bunch of idiots. Sure….red is green, up is down, lies are truth - maybe in their twisted fictitious world but not in ours. This guy needs to get a life before it’s too late. What a dweeb.
July 19th, 2007 at 2:31 pmAnd, of course, yesterday it was revealed that Cheney DID meet with OIL COMPANY EXECUTIVES and others OUTSIDE THE GOVERNMENT,
which makes the documentation to the proceedings
SUBJECT TO PUBLIC ACCESS, quashed by the Supremes in 2001.
Cheney has committed yet ANOTHER FELONY CRIME OF TREASON
against the USA.
Whichever Democrat becomes the NEXT PRESIDENT needs to jail Bush, Cheney and ALL in the PNAC, without trial and subject to TORTURE.
THEY will have given the new president the POWER TO DO SO!!!!
July 19th, 2007 at 2:32 pmThe Pentagon is exactly correct.
July 19th, 2007 at 2:32 pmThe Bush Administration has handily already destroyed america so what portion of if does this guy believe is still available to be destroyed???? No fool like an old fool.
July 19th, 2007 at 2:32 pmThe only propoganda that I’ve seen came from the cheney/bush regime.
July 19th, 2007 at 2:33 pmThis type of thing is totally inappropriate.
Comment by dogjudge — July 19, 2007 @ 2:26 pm
that comment is sure out of character, seems to me…
July 19th, 2007 at 2:33 pmcould it be another name jacking?
It is hard to expect much from “Mr. President” he can’t even come close to spelling al-Qaeda. Of course if he had any brains anywhere outside of his a$$ he wouldn’t be a troll and a Republican which is of course redundant.
July 19th, 2007 at 2:33 pmHillary sends care-packages to Al-Qaeda.
July 19th, 2007 at 2:33 pm#26 I have absolutely NO doubt that the next president will indict and incarcerate Bush, Cheney, Rice, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, and all the PNAC architects of 911 and this illegal war. Hopefully, some of them will be tired in the Hague as well and suffer those consequences; that is, if anyone will be able to find the whimp on his 600,000 acres in Paraguay where they’ll all be in hiding. I’ve heard lynchings are coming back into vogue in 08, too.
July 19th, 2007 at 2:34 pmMr President’s so dumb he thought that Saudis were non-Muslims!
HeyooooooooOOOOOOOoooooooOOOOOO!
July 19th, 2007 at 2:35 pmveritas, don’tcha wish they’d at least have the courtesy to say which enemy’s propaganda they’re referring to>?
As Ralph, Jimmy Dean’s original muppet once said:
“The man has no shame!”
July 19th, 2007 at 2:35 pmI’m so happy the Bush administration has given Osama bin Laden and Al Qaeda everything they ever wanted. Stay the course! Keep Al Qaeda happy!!
HEyOOoooooooOOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
July 19th, 2007 at 2:36 pmArthur C.
July 19th, 2007 at 2:36 pmBy Mr Pee’s logic, no ally is a muslim, so that would include Turkey, Jordan, etc.
What a dufus.
The surge is working !!!!! Hillary is a defeatist, like all the libtards !!!!!
July 19th, 2007 at 2:37 pmStop fuking with my name, libtards !!!!!!
July 19th, 2007 at 2:38 pmThe “principal deputy” to Libby named in the Libby indictment is Edelman. He asked Libby if Wilson’s trip could be leaked to the press.
July 19th, 2007 at 2:38 pmLibby replied: “that there would be complications at the CIA in disclosing that information publicly.”
Edleman is a chief scroundel and hatchet man for Cheney.
The Iraq war should be discussed by everyone because $340 billion [Borgen Project] has already been spent on the war so far. That is the country’s budget that could be spent on more imminent problems like global poverty.
July 19th, 2007 at 2:39 pmOh, how sad. Someone is namejacking poor ‘ittle PiPPy. Boo hoo.
July 19th, 2007 at 2:39 pmDon’t forget to quote yourself and thump yourself on the back, Mr. Pee - you just can’t get enough of that, can you? Until, of course, there is another veteran’s good name to tarnish. How sad…..
July 19th, 2007 at 2:42 pmBack to the topic, does it really surprise anyone that “Plan ‘B’ is to make Plan ‘A’ work”?
SURGE ON….until there is enough Iraqi blood for this administration to wash in to their heart’s content.
Yaknow, I feel some more Schadenfreude coming on. I know I should be mad at Mr. P’s treatment, but I just can’t bring myself to get mad…
*chuckles*
July 19th, 2007 at 2:43 pmWhy’s everybody always picking on me?
July 19th, 2007 at 2:43 pmGive the Iraqi’s back their country, it’s their country, it’s their government, it’s their oil, it should be their responsibility to take care of it.
But we all know that we will never, ever be totally out of there. We put in those bases and mega-embassy to stay put for a long, long time.
Wow, Mr. P(rick) sitting in your own feces day after day must get you down.
July 19th, 2007 at 2:44 pmIF THE PUBLIC IS DISCUSSING IT, IT IS NOT PREMATURE.
THIS IS THE NATURE OF A DEMOCRACY.
GO BACK TO SCHOOL.
July 19th, 2007 at 2:44 pmI know who I’m fuking with Mr. President. You are a pissant that offers no substance to this thread. You hold no standing here other than a digital pimple.
July 19th, 2007 at 2:44 pmThis is exactly why we need a registration system on TP - maybe even one that shows the IP number.
If I were inclined to spin conspiracy theories, I’d say that TP doesn’t even want to solve this problem. Come on! Practically every blog has a registration system. How hard can it be to code?
July 19th, 2007 at 2:45 pmSo it’s you, # 54. I thought so. Stop fuking with me.
July 19th, 2007 at 2:46 pmGW’s dad is the one that gave rise to AQ and OBL. The CIA threw money and weapons at them back when the USSR was invading afghanistan.
So read up and quit lying.
July 19th, 2007 at 2:46 pmRegstration system, we don’t need no stinking registration system.
July 19th, 2007 at 2:47 pmThe “principal deputy†to Libby named in the Libby indictment is Edelman. He asked Libby if Wilson’s trip could be leaked to the press.
Libby replied: “that there would be complications at the CIA in disclosing that information publicly.â€
Edleman is a chief scroundel and hatchet man for Cheney.
Indeed.
Interesting enough, we are WITNESSING psyops in the form of “Mr. TRAITOR”, etc…
So….
MURDERER Bush is a COXUCKER PUNK TRAITOR to the USA.
July 19th, 2007 at 2:47 pmIt’s time for “constructive disengagement” from the Middle East. U.S. policymakers need to recognize that U.S. military intervention there only ignites anti-Americanism in the form of international terrorism.
July 19th, 2007 at 2:48 pmGW’s dad is the one that gave rise to AQ and OBL. The CIA threw money and weapons at them back when the USSR was invading afghanistan.
True…
So read up and quit lying.
They work for “psyops”.
It is their JOB to “catapult the PROPAGANDA”…
July 19th, 2007 at 2:48 pmMr. President = digital pimple
100% accurate characterization. If you pick at him, pus will erupt.
July 19th, 2007 at 2:49 pmI’m totally for a withdrawal from Iraq as soon as possible.
That being said, if I was Mr. Edelman, I’d tell Senator Clinton to go fly a kite.
She has questions about the war, go to the President, or Secretary Gates.
This type of thing is totally inappropriate.
Comment by dogjudge
Dude she did send the letter to Gates, his pissboy answered it.
July 19th, 2007 at 2:49 pmTotally hilarious the troll is being trolled. LOL
July 19th, 2007 at 2:50 pmJeesas the son of god will judge you, repukenicunt mass murderers….
July 19th, 2007 at 2:50 pmYes, the Bush administration is laid bare. Democracy is a dangerous thing and must be suppressed! The people must only talk about what the Dear Leader and his government minders think is appropriate.
Welcome to Authoritarian Bushworld.
-GSD
July 19th, 2007 at 2:50 pmComment by Mr. Bush Goes To Hell — July 19, 2007 @ 2:47 pm
Typical furry lefty propagandist.
July 19th, 2007 at 2:50 pmComment by Mr. President — July 19, 2007 @ 2:50 pm
The enemy hates us, so we must be losing!!!
July 19th, 2007 at 2:51 pmIt’s time for “constructive disengagement†from the Middle East. U.S. policymakers need to recognize that U.S. military intervention there only ignites anti-Americanism in the form of international terrorism.
Comment by leftcoast
Again, absolutely TRUE…
By the way, is Edelman associated with the PNAC and AIPAC??
July 19th, 2007 at 2:51 pmRobert Gates is an oddball.
July 19th, 2007 at 2:52 pmJeesas the son of god will judge you, repukenicunt mass murderers….
Comment by Prophet
As will Jesus, the Son of God.
GUILTY, and to HELL with ALL of them.
Including their supporters HERE!!!!
July 19th, 2007 at 2:53 pmWell there’s a “surrender caucus” after all according to the National Review.
July 19th, 2007 at 2:53 pmGates openly states how discussion about all aspects of Iraq are helpful and necessary in a free society. The Iraqi govt. is taking all of August off so there won’t be discussion coming from them.
Nothings been derailed. You give yourself far too much credit. your monicker shows the delusions of grandeur that slosh around in that egocentric brain of yours.
It’s fun to call you Mr. President. You are living up to what 65% of the country already believe about the President.
July 19th, 2007 at 2:53 pmComment by Mr. Bush Goes To Hell — July 19, 2007 @ 2:51 pm
‘Mrs. Pelosi Goes To The Mall’
Does it ring a bell?
July 19th, 2007 at 2:53 pmSorry, the ENEMY PROPAGANDA is pretty much generated by the Department of Defense “psyopsâ€.
As well as Rupert Murdoch, revealed today as the “24th Cabinet Member†to Tony Blair.
As well as Propaganda Mentor to Karl Rove…
PURE TREASON…
Comment by Mr. Bush Goes To Hell
July 19th, 2007 at 2:54 pmI think it’s pretty clear what Dick Cheney was doing in these 2001secret energy taskforce meetings….planning the hostile acquisition of Iraqi National Oil. Sure, GW Bush was playing along as a compassionate conservative. But this guy was an inside trader and busted oil trader, too. He was backed by Big Oil all the way. As was Dad and his brother, Jeb “PNAC signatory†Bush. Bush was making nice with the Democrats while Dick was doing the dirty dealing behind the scenes.
Now think about this. We now know there was no real justification to invade Iraq, just fabricated evidence of WMD. What if those minutes prove beyond a reasonable doubt that, what Cheney was “planning†had less to do with domestic energy market needs and policies and a lot more to do with: 1) getting an agreement amongst the Big Oil players on how the oil in Iraq would be divvied up and 2) how to market the need to invade the ME to acquire their $100 Trillion dollar asset and 3) writing the covering legal document that the newly created Iraqi “democratic†assembly rubes would sign off on (known as the “Hydrocarbon Lawâ€).
Points 1) and 2) have gone according to plan, but point 3) seems to be a big problem with all the warring factions in Iraq. 75% of Iraqi’s believe we are there to steal their oil.
I want to draw your attention to Congressperson’s Delahunt and Ackerman’s sub-committee hearing yesterday. They expose the Hydrocarbon Law for what it is- in Ackerman’s words “world-class racketeering”. Perhaps the Democrats are finally ready to address the real casus belli for invading Iraq to the American people. If they connect that this has been the deal of the century, a bald-faced plan to steal $100 TT worth of oil, using the lives of 3600 American soldiers (so far) and $500BB of taxpayer money (todate) and our international reputation, the reality of impeachment and capital punishment might not be so far-fetched.
Rep. Delahunt Critiques Iraqi Oil Giveaway Scheme:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qm0woxrc_yQ
Rep. Gary L. Ackerman: “This Is World Class Racketeering!”
July 19th, 2007 at 2:54 pmhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PVkaTxCojY
Comment by Mr. Bush Goes To Hell — July 19, 2007 @ 2:54 pm
oooOOOoooOOOoooOOOooo yeeeeaaah! Snap into a Slim Jihad!
July 19th, 2007 at 2:55 pmHere’s a secret: when Mr. P is looking at naked girls on his internet, he sometimes screams out “The Surge is working!”
Then I usually get splattered with something viscous. Thankfully, Mr P can only manage a few drops at a time.
July 19th, 2007 at 2:56 pmPentagon only likes discussion of their propaganda: Phony links to illusory people who are paid actors.
July 19th, 2007 at 2:56 pmThe Pentagon is exactly correct.
Comment by CT_V1 — July 19, 2007 @ 2:32 pm
Glad you feel that way.
War games show Bush wrong on Iraq pullout; Qaeda unlikely to succeed
Supporters of the war in Iraq — including President George W. Bush — claim that a withdrawal of US forces would lead to an al Qaeda takeover of Iraq. Yet according to Pentagon war games, this scenario is highly unlikely.
Pentagon simulations on US withdrawal find the most likely scenario would be a three-way split of the country between Kurds, Shias, and Sunnis. Ricks warns while the breakup would be “very ugly,” with possibly “tens of thousands of people dying,” an al Qaeda takeover of Iraq would not be possible by “any stretch of the imagination.”
July 19th, 2007 at 2:56 pmComment by Mr. President’s Tube Sock — July 19, 2007 @ 2:56 pm
You shutup!!!!
July 19th, 2007 at 2:57 pmStop fuking with my name, libtards !!!!!!
Meltdown, anyone. Can’t help but weep with joy when I see this little prick having a tantrum.
July 19th, 2007 at 2:57 pmJust yesterday the Chicago Tribune had a report on the lack of planning for the eventual pull out. It will be a logistical nightmare but there aren’t any formative plans, nor has there been serious discussion on how to, how much will it cost, or any of the other daunting tasks.
Quite a corner this administration has put the military in.
July 19th, 2007 at 2:59 pmAl Qaeda’s most important goal is prolonging the war in Iraq.
Hey, they stole my goal! heh heh.
July 19th, 2007 at 2:59 pmComment by Spudge_Boy — July 19, 2007 @ 2:56 pm
You’re an American hero, Spudge. Your wisdom, insight, thoroughness and attention is great when speaking to a troll.
Kudos!
July 19th, 2007 at 2:59 pmBreaking News: A Federal Judge has just dismissed Valerie Plame’s lawsuit against Dick Cheney. Damnit!
July 19th, 2007 at 3:00 pmYawn. Another letter. Impeach.
July 19th, 2007 at 3:00 pmGod, Spudge, don’t confuse them with their own studies!
July 19th, 2007 at 3:00 pmFacts and shit just get them all confustublated.
# 82: I do not look at naked girls on the internet. When will you libtards learn to tell the truth?
July 19th, 2007 at 3:00 pmHere’s another secret: Mr P sometimes calls his… you know… his… surging thing… well, sometimes he calls it his “Right Wing Tool.” That’s usually when he screams out about the Surge working.
I tell ya, at times like that, I’d rather be under the bed, where I’m safe from splatter.
July 19th, 2007 at 3:00 pmComment by RUCerious — July 19, 2007 @ 2:57 pm
Mr. President will have you banned forever!!!!!!!!
July 19th, 2007 at 3:00 pmMr. President’s Tube Sock, You’re bringing out the “A” material. It’s much appreciated.
July 19th, 2007 at 3:00 pmMr. President sez:
…or doesn’t care…
July 19th, 2007 at 3:01 pmComment by Larry from C — July 19, 2007 @ 3:00 pm
Uh oh.
July 19th, 2007 at 3:01 pmMr resident is gonna put you in his in-gore list.Scary stuff.
July 19th, 2007 at 3:02 pmMy mistake, Mr. P. I assumed it was naked girls. Maybe it was your Saved By the Bell fan site?
July 19th, 2007 at 3:02 pmONCE FREE DUMB HAS BEEN GIVEN, CAN YOU TAKE IT AWAY?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
July 19th, 2007 at 3:02 pmTHOUGHT NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Mr. President sez:
Of course…how insensitive of us. Given your political leanings, we should have known that it’s naked boys you crave…
July 19th, 2007 at 3:02 pmMr. President will have you banned forever!!!!!!!!
Comment by CT_V1
Yeah, right! BWAHAHAHAH!
July 19th, 2007 at 3:04 pmMr. President sez:
Whatever gets you through the night, troll.
July 19th, 2007 at 3:05 pm#
Mr. President sez:
# 82: I do not look at naked girls on the internet. When will you libtards learn to tell the truth?
July 19th, 2007 at 3:05 pmI LOOK AT NAKED BOYSQ!!!!!
get your facts straight!!!
straightjacket dems!!!
Silly Mr. President. You keep thinking this is a game.
July 19th, 2007 at 3:06 pmJust ignore them, Mr. President.
Let them spoil their own threads with off-topic posts.
July 19th, 2007 at 3:07 pmComment by TripMaster Monkey — July 19, 2007 @ 3:02 pm
If this is Mr. Pee’s idea of winning, no wonder he thinks the Iraq war is going so well……….
July 19th, 2007 at 3:07 pmComment by Mr. President — July 19, 2007 @ 3:04 pm
Look, Mr. President shows everyone he is so self-absorbed, he even thinks he makes the rules on this site. How entertaining!!
July 19th, 2007 at 3:08 pmTMM ~ of course the trolls think this is a game.
July 19th, 2007 at 3:08 pmNormal people are trying to have a discussion, and they’re trying to disrupt.
Now, it is fun to bash the turds, but it does detract from the discussion part.
Comment by Mr. President — July 19, 2007 @ 3:07 pm
Ignore TripSurrender Monkey.
July 19th, 2007 at 3:09 pmThe comments here on all topics are becoming worthless infantile exercises in stupidity, arrogance and factoid supposition. The left and the right comments here represent the worst of the worst of both sides and become nothing more than white noise to judicious American thinking.
Pride in vitriolic trolling must be an addiction worse than heroin. I pity you all.
July 19th, 2007 at 3:09 pmThe above post is fake, and was posted by a cowardly Lefty, who obviously doesn’t know who he is fuking with.
Comment by Mr. President CT’s Bob boudin — July 19, 2007 @ 3:07 pm
You now, the real friggin’ funny part? That whomever is hijacking your name (which could just be YOU, entertaining yourself), does know who he is fuking with!
July 19th, 2007 at 3:09 pmTrolls win . . . time for a new topic and a new match of “troll versus serious blogger”.
July 19th, 2007 at 3:09 pmTrolls win . . . time for a new topic and a new match of “troll versus serious bloggerâ€.
Comment by Mr.President
Shhh… whatever you do, DON’T mention the “Moslem Thing” around Li’l PiPpy. He’s kind of sesitive about it, ya know. Shhh…
July 19th, 2007 at 3:12 pmFace it, folks…
You are NO LONGER “debating” or conversing with “trolls”.
These people are “psyops”.
In an earlier story, Rupert Murdoch was revealed today to be the
“24th Member of Blair’s Cabinet”:
http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/19/murdoch-blair/
July 19th, 2007 at 3:14 pmComment by Mr. President’s Tube Sock
I am SO jealous. A least YOU get attention.
Me? I just have to sit here in this filthy drawer, next to these (women’s????) skid marked skivvies, never seeing the light of day.
July 19th, 2007 at 3:14 pmI NEVER get worn, I don’t match any of the other socks.
I HATE YOU MR. President! You stole my life-long partner!
I recall Bush stating that it would be up to the next president to end our involvement in Iraq. He’s making good on that one.
July 19th, 2007 at 3:14 pmTMM ~ of course the trolls think this is a game.
Normal people are trying to have a discussion, and they’re trying to disrupt.
Now, it is fun to bash the turds, but it does detract from the discussion part.
Comment by RUCerious
Not “trolls”, RU, PAID “psyops”:
http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/19/murdoch-blair/
July 19th, 2007 at 3:15 pmMr. Pres Tube Sock, oh come on we all know Mr. Pr(ick) looks at naked boys on the internet, not girls, geez.
July 19th, 2007 at 3:15 pmI think the so-called “psyops”/trolls wish they were being paid, but for the most part folks like Mr. P just did not receive enough attention from their mother.
July 19th, 2007 at 3:17 pmTrolls win!!! Awww, crap… my life is so meaningless.
Boooyaaaaaaaaahaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
July 19th, 2007 at 3:17 pmWho said i’m a troll?
July 19th, 2007 at 3:17 pmPLEASE STOP ATTACKING ME!
July 19th, 2007 at 3:18 pmI’m not a troll, i’m a flesh and bones idiot!!!
July 19th, 2007 at 3:18 pm#
Face it, folks…
You are NO LONGER “debating†or conversing with “trollsâ€.
These people are “psyopsâ€.
In an earlier story, Rupert Murdoch was revealed today to be the
“24th Member of Blair’s Cabinetâ€:
http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/19/murdoch-blair/
July 19th, 2007 at 3:21 pmPLEASE STOP ATTACKING ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
July 19th, 2007 at 3:21 pmyou do not want to get me mad and angry!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The above troll is fake, and was posted by a cowardly Nutty, who obviously doesn’t know whos mother he is fuking with.
July 19th, 2007 at 3:21 pmThe above troll is fake, and was posted by a cowardly Nutty, who obviously doesn’t know whos mother he is fuking with.
Comment by Mr.President
July 19th, 2007 at 3:23 pmFace it, folks…
You are NO LONGER “debating†or conversing with “trollsâ€.
These people are PAID “psyopsâ€.
Look at the posts. NOTHING intelligent to contribute or DEBATE.
Just Karl-Rove-type “heyoo”s and other bullzhit…
In an earlier story, Rupert Murdoch was revealed today to be the
“24th Member of Blair’s Cabinetâ€:
http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/19/murdoch-blair/
Also, MURDERER Bush is a COXUCKER PUNK TRAITOR TO THE USA, who will be arrested by the next President and put in jail
UNTIL HE DROPS DEAD.
And goes to hell from there.
July 19th, 2007 at 3:24 pmdont mess wit me son!
July 19th, 2007 at 3:25 pmA lot of people apparently think this is funny.
Who is the ‘enemy’ and what exactly is the ‘propaganda’? Who is the person spreading the ‘propaganda’? Is the ‘propagandist’ the person disagreeing with this Administration and questioning what is really happening???
I see this as another breadcrumb in the long list of clues or hints as to where they are going with all this. This disintegration of our Constitution and our democracy is slow and insidious. They are dismantling it one brick, page, paragraph, at a time.
So, where ARE they going with all of this?
Again (beings I already brought this up this morning), Thom Hartmann, in his show this morning, spoke about this latest Executive Order of Bush’s:
Blocking Property of Certain Persons Who Threaten Stabilization Efforts in Iraq - July 17, 2007
http://www.whitehouse.gov/ news/ releases/ 2007/ 07/ 20070717-3.html
He (Thom Hartmann) spoke about the significance of this Executive Order and the real dangers to Americans. He talked about the previous Executive Order (basically making Bush King in the event of an attack or natural disaster, or whatever). He also talked about all the bricks that have been laid for some time now leading us down a path to a possible dictatorship.
He interviewed Paul Craig Roberts. It was a powerful and chilling discussion. I wish you all could have heard it. This is the latest in a long list of articles written by Mr. Roberts :
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article18020.htm
“Impeach Now - Or Face the End of Constitutional Democracyâ€
By PAUL CRAIG ROBERTS
(Paul Craig Roberts is a Conservative and was Assistant Secretary of the Treasury in the Reagan administration. He was Associate Editor of the Wall Street Journal editorial page and Contributing Editor of National Review. He is coauthor of The Tyranny of Good Intentions.) He has written a number of very good articles warning people about what is happening in our government right now and what needs to be done.
http://www.lewrockwell.com/roberts/roberts-arch.html
My point now..
The neocons in 2000 in their PNAC report “Rebuilding America’s Defenses†laid out the need to control the internet. They WANT to control cyberspace (along with everything else..).
Here is a summary of that document:
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article3249.htm
(The part referring to Cyberspace is near the bottom)
So much of what was written in that report has or is coming to pass. People who were in PNAC or signatories of this report were neocons Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Paul Wolfowitz (who WAS President of the World Bank), Richard Perl, “Scooter” Libby, Jeb Bush, Zalmay Khalilzad (who is now US Ambassador to the UN), Elliott Abrams, John Bolton (who WAS US Ambassador to the UN), Dov Zakheim, R. James Woolsey, Richard Armitage, Robert B. Zoellick (who is now President of the World Bank), William (the Bloody) Kristol, the Kagans - Donald, Frederick (who authored the New Way Forward in Iraq), and Robert, and so many more.. (Funny how they keep shuffling the same people around).
They already pretty much control the MSM and what information America is given, but there is still free speech and sharing of information on the internet. It has a pretty big impact as of late. I think that will come to an end before much longer. They are testing the will of Congress now with each subpoena they ignore, and each law they blatalntly disregard with no consequences or accountability.
This Administration has already broken laws in giving themselves the ability to open emails, monitor the internet usage (are they already making lists of people who don’t agree with them?) and break into anyone’s home and look into their private lives and property. They have the ability to look at your bank records, your credit card records, basically every aspect of your life without a warrant. They have already taken care of Habeus Corpus, built secret prisons in this country that can house 2million people (preparing for what?), and basically in the event of a ‘terrorist attack, natural disaster or false flag operation, they can imprison citizens in this country they deem a threat to what they are trying do do without ever charging them or allowing them access to an attorney. They could basically “disappear’ a person and you would just never hear from that person again. With today’s Executive Order, it is broad enough that if this President thought you were a threat to his plans for Iraq, he could just freeze out all your accounts and take away all your property, and you could find yourself homeless with NOTHING. I would guess that might be a bit intimidating. It took my breath away.. (Sorry this was long)
July 19th, 2007 at 3:26 pmMOM!!!!!!
July 19th, 2007 at 3:26 pmI TOLD YOU BEFORE!!!!!
LET ME DEAL WITH WITH MY OWN PROBLEMS!
MOAHAAHAAHAAHAAAAA
July 19th, 2007 at 3:28 pmThis sharpens the concern about Tuesday’s exec order which has been discussed by Thom Hartmann yesterday and today, here, here, and here (which notes a discussion in USA Today).
July 19th, 2007 at 3:31 pmThe above post is fake and was posted by a cowardly Left, whom I’m fuking.
July 19th, 2007 at 3:58 pmsome guy wrote a blog entry saying that there are no good democratic candidates for prez!!?? Obama, Clinton, Edwards? C’mon! http://www.mypetpeeves.com/plog/index.php/archives/2514 please help me out folks!
July 19th, 2007 at 3:59 pmSo folks, the upshot is this: 1) America’s citizens don’t like to be lied to about reasons for starting a war, 2) Those same citizens don’t like to be told lies about how the war is not progressing well, 3) They also want to hear the facts when our government either hides information from its citizens–or–releases national secrets which shouldn’t be released in order to intimidate the CIA into cooperation, 4) Finally, we should be discussing the lies, the secrets, and the intimidation that has politicize even the Pentagon in the course of running our nation’s duties and obligations. That is the discussion thread here. All the rest is neocons giving documentation to the contempt they feel toward their own nation.
July 19th, 2007 at 4:03 pmFolks…
You are NO LONGER “debating†or conversing with “trollsâ€.
These people are PAID “psyopsâ€.
Look at the posts. NOTHING intelligent to contribute or DEBATE.
Just Karl-Rove-type “heyooâ€s and other bullzhit…
In an earlier story, Rupert Murdoch was revealed today to be the
“24th Member of Blair’s Cabinetâ€:
http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/19/murdoch-blair/
Also, MURDERER Bush is a COXUCKER PUNK TRAITOR TO THE USA, who will be arrested by the next President and put in jail
UNTIL HE DROPS DEAD.
And goes to hell from there.
July 19th, 2007 at 4:17 pmEverything faded into mist. The past was erased, the erasure was forgotten, the lie became the truth.” George Orwell - 1984
July 19th, 2007 at 4:27 pmTypical Pentagon slimeball. He and many military brass like him would love to have absolutely no accountability to the American public. Military men like him hate having to provide information to the public unless it shows them in a good light.
July 19th, 2007 at 5:41 pmThe pentagon HAD their grace period. For a couple years, most critics held their fire even though they thought invading Iraq was a mistake.
July 19th, 2007 at 6:04 pmTragically, a lack of post Saddam vision, and lethally incompetent war planning has lead to a continual deterioration of the situation in Iraq.
Bush and the Republicans answer to this Iraqi hole we are in , is to keep digging. Anyone who doesn’t already KNOW that there WILL BE significant troop reductions before the 2008 election is in denial.
This is not NEWS to the insurgents.
“Embolden the Enemy.”
July 19th, 2007 at 6:52 pmStill #6 on the Top 10 GOP Sound Bites List.
Edelmann worked with Wolfowitz, he worked with Cheney and he is an original neocon. The man was an ambassador to Turkey and was accused of meddling in Turkey affairs. He is as incompetent as Wolfowitz and as bullheaded as Cheney.
July 19th, 2007 at 8:31 pmThis is likely the opening salvo of attacking the opposition by the Bush administration. They know they will lose in Iraq, but they will not say so. They will not even allow others to talk about the plan for leaving Iraq (even if they started leaving tomorrow, it would take a year to move all the men and equipment; we’re not leaving all of it there).
If one questions them, their plans (or lack thereof) not only are you branded a traitor and a non-patriot, you are branded as dangerous.
The campaign in 2008 will surely be on the same path of the tone and letter sent to Clinton by this neocon. This is going to be a long, ugly year.
The Mister Prezident trolling is pretty sweet. LOL
July 19th, 2007 at 9:13 pmHmm, Edelmann. Now, that’s German isn’t it? They like war if I remember correctly. Stands to reason they wouldn’t want someone to spoil the profiteering party by asking pesky questions. Anyone who’d believe one of these Bush flunkies should have their head examined. We have what, a thousand mile border with Mexico we can manage or secure, and a three thousand mile border with Canada we haven’t even thought about let alone guard it. The best the Customs can do it put orange cones at the road border crossings. If the enemy, or Al Qaeda, or Russia for that matter wanted to, they could march an armored division across it anywhere complete with a brass band and we wouldn’t know it. But this lunitic thinks asking questions helps the enemy. Right.
July 19th, 2007 at 9:26 pmThis is bringing up something else..
I know the news reports yesterday said that pipe in Manhattan just burst on its own, but has anyone else at least wondered about the timing?
The NIE stating al Qaeda is strengthening came out (in full) on Tuesday, right before the all-nighter in Congress debating ending the war. Following the blocked attempt at a vote Wednesday morning to stop the war you have Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid then pull the entire Defense Authorization bill from consideration on the Senate floor.
Coincidently, what happens next is a VERY visual reminder of 9/11 on the streets of Manhattan when that pipe spontaneously exploded and spewed all that steam and debris into the sky. I was watching the news when they showed the video. People were running up the streets of Manhattan screaming. The news played it over and over again.
Yesterday there is also the announcement of the capture of a top al-Qaeda in Iraq guy (who had actually been caught 2 weeks previous). Lots of jolts to people’s “be very afraid” buttons. On the heels of all the that, this new Executive Order comes out (as everyone is getting reminded of 9/11 and getting “be afraid’ hits to their system all over again). Then follow that up with Harriet Miers totally ignoring a subpoena deadline for the second time..
Now throw in the Pentagon going after Hillary Clinton making her the scapegoat for the failure that is the Iraq War. The Pentagon told Democratic presidential front-runner Hillary Rodham Clinton that her questions about how the U.S. plans to eventually withdraw from Iraq boosts enemy propaganda. Now tying that to the Executive Order.
Scary.
I watched CNN this morning and the newscaster happened to mention at the end of the exploded pipe story that someone had just inspected that pipe a few hours before it exploded..
Are the people in this country being manipulated or played BIGTIME?
July 19th, 2007 at 9:41 pmI am now at a point where I question EVERYTHING!
“I am now at a point where I question EVERYTHING!”
Comment by JG — July 19, 2007 @ 9:41 pm
You got that right–excellent posts, JG!
July 19th, 2007 at 10:04 pmYeah. That’s the reason that American credibility suffered as a result of our behavior in Vietnam. Because we “…abandoned our allies…”
That’s some pretty good delusional thinking. Reminds me of the night before my intervention.
Actually, the more that I think about the phrase “enemy propaganda,”
July 19th, 2007 at 10:08 pmthe more I would characterize this comment as such. It is enemy propaganda to lie and glorify militarization in order to further decimate American military interests, is it not? Well, America is now less safe from terrorism, Al Qaeda is reconstituted, and our military is completely over extended. Is this not enemy propaganda?
Keith Olbermann was ON FIRE tonight!!
This may be the best comment yet.
http://www.crooksandliars.com/ 2007/ 07/ 19/ special-comment-keith-blasts-bush-scapegoating-this-is-your-war/ #comments
Better yet, if Countdown is on again wherever you live, watch it. It is the first 10 minutes of the program.
July 19th, 2007 at 10:11 pm#156 JG said
Coincidently, what happens next is a VERY visual reminder of 9/11 on the streets of Manhattan when that pipe spontaneously exploded and spewed all that steam and debris into the sky. I was watching the news when they showed the video. People were running up the streets of Manhattan screaming. The news played it over and over again. ..
Yesterday there is also the announcement of the capture of a top al-Qaeda in Iraq guy (who had actually been caught 2 weeks previous).
JG
July 19th, 2007 at 10:19 pmYou have read my mind today, as I had exactly the same thoughts.
Olbermann was kick ass tonight!
July 19th, 2007 at 10:19 pm“United States will abandon its allies in Iraq,”
so, pray tell, who might that be?
July 19th, 2007 at 10:37 pmJEP, I think it is the 8 Brits that are left there.
July 19th, 2007 at 10:47 pmf*ck you, Eric, plain and simple.
July 19th, 2007 at 11:55 pmThe only ones “unnerved by talk of redeployment” are the Psychos in the White House. If these Psycho-Republicans in the Bush administration had their way, our troops would never, ever leave Iraq. Because the entire Bush administration policy and “strategeries” for Iraq have and always will involve controlling Iraqi oil. And in these Psycho-Republican’s warped way of thinking, the only way they can assure Iraq’s oil remains under their thumb is if our soldiers are there in Iraq to keep an eye (and a gun) on Iraq’s oil.
But once our soldiers are redeployed out of Iraq, then won’t the private contract mercenaries step into the void left by our military leaving? How long do you think sovereign Iraqis, free of U.S. military occupation, would “welcome” these private contract mercenaries in Iraq? Odds are that “nationalist” Iraqis would redouble their attacks on these private contract mercenaries which would lead to even more carnage? And as the Bush Psychos have ruled, these private contract mercenaries are outside the law, our law and Iraqi law. With our regular military troops gone, all “nationalist” Iraqis would then shift their attacks against these “outlaw” private contract mercenaries. Blood. Blood. Blood.
July 20th, 2007 at 12:34 amWith our regular military troops gone, all “nationalist†Iraqis would then shift their attacks against these “outlaw†private contract mercenaries. Blood. Blood. Blood.
Comment by The Oracle
By all means, encourage Blackwater to stay the course!
July 20th, 2007 at 1:49 amYesterday there is also the announcement of the capture of a top al-Qaeda in Iraq guy (who had actually been caught 2 weeks previous).
JG
You have read my mind today, as I had exactly the same thoughts.
Comment by Marie
And then turned out to not even be a real guy!
July 20th, 2007 at 1:50 amAnd then turned out to not even be a real guy!
TROS - I must have missed this part.. What was that about??
July 20th, 2007 at 1:54 am“…Ahem”…TAP TAP…”This mike on?”…”TESTING,TESTING…” “Okay, got it.” “WE NEEDTO WITHDRAW FROM IRAQ, ARREST THE ENTIRE BUSH ADMINISTRATION AND TRY BUSH, CHENEY, CONDOSLEEZA, AND RUMMY AS WAR CRIMINALS!!!” OH, AND ERIC EDELMAN IS A CHICKENSH*T LITTLE BROWNSHIRT WHO WILL NEVER HAVE THE COURAGE TO BACK UP HIS MEALY-MOUTHED TREACHERY WITH REAL ACTION ON THE STREET!” How’s that? F*ck you again, little brownshirt!
July 20th, 2007 at 2:04 amTROS - I must have missed this part.. What was that about??
Comment by JG — July 20
LA Times, 7/19/07
BAGHDAD — In March, he was declared captured. In May, he was declared killed, and his purported corpse was displayed on state-run TV. But on Wednesday, Abu Omar Baghdadi, the supposed leader of an Al Qaeda-affiliated group in Iraq, was declared nonexistent by U.S. military officials, who said he was a fictional character created to give an Iraqi face to a foreign-run terrorist organization.
Probably not the samw guy caught 2 weeks ago after all, geez, what the F*ck is going on? Repubes like to talk tough. Maybe it’s time for a bunch of them to suit up and go into the game. Hey, Mr P?? P??
Hmmm… not here… probably changing into dry pantyhose and checking his makeup, again.
July 20th, 2007 at 3:32 amAmericans are hurting the war effort! We need to get these people off to Guantanomo.
July 20th, 2007 at 3:43 amYou have to ask yourself (concerning ‘the war effort’).. Just who has this war benefited? Who? It certainly isn’t the Iraqis. It certainly isn’t the troops. It certainly isn’t the military. It certainly isn’t our National Treasury or the debt with a war costing 12 billion dollars a month. It isn’t the VA system who must take care of the tens of thousands of our wounded soldiers returning from the war. It certainly isn’t Americans (who are more divided and distrustful of their government as any time I have ever seen). It isn’t the other surrounding countries in the Middle East who are afraid of what all this destablization in the area means and how it will affect them. It isn’t the 2 million Iraqis who have fled their country. I could continue with this list but you get my drift.
So, tell me WHO this war is benefiting?
July 20th, 2007 at 3:52 amI am sure it is not a very long list of WHO it is benefiting. It is a VERY VERY VERY long list of just who it is hurting and devastating.
This has got to stop while we can still put the pieces back together again. The minute they start bombing Iran all hell will break loose, and that is where they are going with this. The men making these decisions are not operating in the interest of this country. They do not represent us nor do they care about our laws or our Constitution. We are a nation of laws, or at least we used to be. I feel like I am living in the Twilight Zone..
Seems like a good time for a reminder from the ‘father of the Constitution’ James Madison:
“The accumulation of all powers legislative, executive and judiciary in the same hands, whether of one, a few or many…may justly be pronounced the very definition of tyranny”
“No nation could preserve its freedom in the midst of continual warfare.” -
“If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy.”
“The means of defense against foreign danger historically have become the instruments of tyranny at home.”
And then there are the wise warnings from Dwight Eisenhower:
“In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.”
“The problem in defense is how far you can go without destroying from within what you are trying to defend from without.”
“We will bankrupt ourselves in the vain search for absolute security.”
“Only Americans can hurt America.”
July 20th, 2007 at 4:00 amJG — it is becoming painfully obvious that this war only benefits two parties:
1. Halliburton and other crony companies who receive lush no-bid contracts to go in and rebuild.
2. The Bush Administration, who needs the war to A) distract the American public from the fact they have accomplished nothing else during their term except to cut taxes for the rich, and B) maintain an “enemy” that can be used to inflame fear in the American people and thereby control them (as long as there is a “war” on, dissenters can be labeled traitors and detained without habeus corpus, for example).
The only problem is that Americans are waking up. Late — but waking up.
July 20th, 2007 at 7:22 amWhat this is actually about is the imminent war with Iran.
The US forces currently in Iraq will be wiped out when the US/Israel nukes Iran, and that is all part of the FASCIST plan of this administration.
Destroy, privatize, eliminate the US military as an obstacle to their totalitarian agenda.
So who is really “supporting the troops” here? It certainyl is NOT the GOP…
July 20th, 2007 at 8:10 amHas anyone noticed that King George on Tuesday signed and Executive Order (read -law unapproved by Congress) making it illegal to “undermine efforts to promote economic reconstruction and political reform in Iraq”. Now since Hillary Clinton was told by the Defense Undersecretary a few days ago that her comments on withdrawal “boosts enemy propaganda” this could mean any public comments by politicians or citizens could be construed as “undermining efforts” then free speach about Iraq (unless following the Bush philosophy) is illegal. Oh, and this determination can be done “in secret and after the fact”.Cute!
July 20th, 2007 at 8:59 amHow about staying in Iraq will breed more terrorists, resentment to the US, anti-Western religious fanaticism etc………?????
Oh, well we’ll kiill’em all off….. Uh Huh
Wonderful.
July 20th, 2007 at 10:53 am“#26 I have absolutely NO doubt that the next president will indict and incarcerate Bush, Cheney, Rice, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, and all the PNAC architects of 911 and this illegal war. Hopefully, some of them will be tired in the Hague as well and suffer those consequences; that is, if anyone will be able to find the whimp on his 600,000 acres in Paraguay where they’ll all be in hiding. I’ve heard lynchings are coming back into vogue in 08, too.
Comment by veritas — July 19, 2007 @ 2:34 pm”
If you actually believe any of your drivel, veritas, you are either a fool, or simply delusional. No one will go to jail. Even if crimes had been commited (which they have not), no Democrat is going to jail any former administration member. That would lead to even further open warfare between the political parties and Democrats would be heading for the bighouse next.
One thing you can be sure of, regardless of the blustery verbiage, politicians will protect their political power first, and everything else comes after that…including representing the people who elected them. You will sleep better at night once you understand and accept that.
It’s one thing for politicians to talk impeachment and war crimes and all that nonsense to get elected, but it’s quite another to actually take action. Don’t you know pandering when you hear it?
Trial in the Hague? Get real.
As for Clinton: She deserved the stinging rebuke. She’s a Senator, not the President. Clinton, on her own, has no authority over the day-to-day actions of the Department of Defense, and should not be attempting to meddle in, or direct, their affairs.
July 20th, 2007 at 11:12 amphased redeployment = retreat
July 20th, 2007 at 1:04 pmYou libtards bedder not fuk with me.
July 20th, 2007 at 4:52 pmSee the World Tour !
of the
Shameless Demagogues
with special appearance by
Ruinous Trajectory!
Featuring Evil Dick at the Helm while the puppet King gets his pooter scoped.
July 20th, 2007 at 4:56 pmThere should be someone with the power to IP ban the pussy Mr. President. He can’t field a true argument so he just spams it up… now that I think about it, that’s a PERFECT representation of the neo-nazi, er, neo-con position.
Free people of America, you aren’t allowed to disagree with me because excercizing your freedom would be hurting freedom.
July 20th, 2007 at 7:47 pmMs. Clinton’s letter contains a logical fallacy - it assumes that we are planning to evacuate Iraq. It does not make strategic sense to publicize an evacuation strategy when we are engaged in an escalation. Therefore, the logical conclusion from the Secretary’s response is that we are not planning on an evacuation at all.
Ms. Clinton’s letter was therefore a political ploy - it was intended only to emphasize that fact that we are not planning on evacuating. Based on mob reaction that the American people have had to the recent panicky cries of “evacuate - we are being killed!” by the liberal candidates for President, it will probably be an effective strategy - there are many who do not think it through. Such cries and running away from the bully. crying and whining will only result in the bully doing more harm. I don’t think Ms. Clinton cares - she wants the Presidency at any cost. Her desire is for power, and she offers no leadership.
I wish that the Democratic leadership would take on a new strategy - instead of mob manipulation, I wish they would use reason and logic to LEAD our nation. Perhaps they are right, and we have been in Iraq too long. I tend to agree. Not because of the cost in American soldiers - although that is unacceptable - but because the cost has not purchased anything. We cannot buy Iraqi freedom with American blood. If we have cut the head off the snake, it is time to leave. If we have not, then we need to make an all-out offensive and cut that head off - regardless of the collateral damage. We are there to defend our interests, not the interests of the Iraqis. Don’t we realize that most of the casualties in Iraq are Iraqi civilians? They are being killed by their own countrymen. We cannot free them from themselves.
President Bush says we must win. He has not defined “win” in terms of a military victory, but in terms of establishing a free, democratic society in Iraq. We cannot do that with arms, we cannot do that at all. A free society cannot exist until the people of that society desire freedom more than they desire life; no free society exists today that was not won that way, and no free society will ever exist that is not won that way.
I challenge the Democrats to define “win” in military terms, instead of raising hands in surrender - as did the shameful, cowardly Senator Reid from Nevada. Define it - then challenge the President to define what he considers a “victory”. The vast majority of the American people will understand the difference. They will choose what they consider victory. No American desires defeat. No American will tolerate defeat. We are a proud, fierce, and dangerous people. (”Any nation that would trade freedom for security deserves neither and will have neither.”)
As it is, this type of politicking only strengthens the resolve of the conservatives. Liberals, or Progressives, if you prefer, if you would win your point, you must argue it sensibly. If you would have leadership, you must lead. Enough of the name-calling and obscene, ignorant, second-grade toilet talk.
July 20th, 2007 at 8:34 pmIt will be a miracle if there is another election! Bush has all the strategies in place to put the United States under Marshall Law. While the Democrats have been “investigating” outlandish, illegal behavior and responding to the Iraq war, the administration has removed all our civil rights, put neo-con judges in place, including the Supreme Court, challenged and nullified parts of the Constitution. He has declared that in the case of emergency he can order the military (police) to take over. The emergency is not clearly defined, but has vaguely something to do with terrorism or being a suspect. You can be thrown in jail, tortured, your property seized, your bank accounts emptied. So if you want to ramble on about the war, politics, presidential candidates, liberals vs. conservatives, abortion, gays, and religions, I’m sure the administration is grateful.
July 21st, 2007 at 3:27 pmIMPEACH BUSH AND CHENEY NOW!
This is our last chance to preserve the U.S. Republic and Democracy. JH
Jay Huston, be serious. I asked a serious question, and you respond with a panic attack. If President Bush attempted a takeover, the conservatives that voted him into office and voted to keep their handguns, hunting rifles, and assault rifles would use them on him. (Which is why conservatives want to maintain the right to bear arms - so that, if it ever becomes necessary, they can take up arms against a repressive government. It has nothing to do with hunting, pal - and the second amendment never did have anything to do with hunting.) If you are truly worrie