DeLay: Abortion linked to undocumented immigration.
By on Jul 19th, 2007 at 9:54 am
DeLay: Abortion linked to undocumented immigration.
At a College Republicans gathering, former congressman Tom DeLay attempted to blame abortion for undocumented immigration:
“I contend [abortion] affects you in immigration,” DeLay told the Washington-area gathering. “If we had those 40 million children that were killed over the last 30 years, we wouldn’t need the illegal immigrants to fill the jobs that they are doing today. Think about it.”
See the video HERE.
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‘Think about it’
The immigrants are here because the USA is underpopulated?
July 19th, 2007 at 9:55 amOMG!
July 19th, 2007 at 9:56 amThat man is insane. I can’t believe that anyone listens to him.
I believe that most Lemming Republics are anti choice because they hate to see all that potential “cannon fodder” being wasted. They love the fetus but hate the child. If a woman is forced to have a baby she can’t afford, though shit once the baby is here and the woman can’t afford to feed and clothe it.
July 19th, 2007 at 9:57 amGood point – the U.S. economy would be in far worse shape, crime would be worse, and there would be less of a draw for immigrants to come to the U.S.
July 19th, 2007 at 9:57 amRepublicans care less about human life the more cells there are in the body.
July 19th, 2007 at 9:58 amLOL… these guys can’t get their talking point together.
Last time that I checked, their much beloved President was HIGHLY IN FAVOR of illegal immigration.
IDIOTS!!!
July 19th, 2007 at 9:58 amI believe that most Lemming Republics are anti choice because they hate to see all that potential “cannon fodder†being wasted. They love the fetus but hate the child. If a woman is forced to have a baby she can’t afford, though shit once the baby is here and the woman can’t afford to feed and clothe it.
Comment by Katie — July 19, 2007 @ 9:57 am
And we most certainly wouldn’t want to guarantee health insurance for those unwanted kids.
July 19th, 2007 at 9:59 amYes, by forcing women to have babies (infringing on their basic rights to choose whether or not to be a parent) Mexico’s economy will experience a resounding resurrection and poor Mexicans will no longer feel the need to flee to America for jobs. Brilliant.
That video is genius.
July 19th, 2007 at 9:59 amHeck, Tom, why don’t you just say that some of those 40 million could have been soldiers in Iraq, which would have enabled us to win the War on Terror by now?
Go ahead, Tom…tie terrorism into it too. Make it a trifecta of Repuke talking-point-stupidity.
July 19th, 2007 at 10:00 amWhy are we still giving this indicted criminal a platform? Why does anything a criminal thinks, says, or believes significant to any of us?
Next thread TP, please!
July 19th, 2007 at 10:00 amMorning, Tripmaster!
July 19th, 2007 at 10:00 amDelay is an ass But then again, it seems most of the GOP are like lemmings – that, or the Borg – they can’t think individually… party line… party line… party line…
July 19th, 2007 at 10:01 amGuess the outing of the Senator by Flynt hasn’t occurred yet?? No other newsworthy stuff this morning than this criminal pontificating about nonsense??
July 19th, 2007 at 10:01 amWhen the heck does his trial begin anyway? It better happen soon or there’s not going to be any hope of a pardon.
July 19th, 2007 at 10:01 amG’morning, veritas! ^_^
July 19th, 2007 at 10:02 amSo, we shouldn’t abort babies so that they can clean our shitty bathrooms and stand around outside Home Depot waiting to do cheap construction projects and cook in our sleaziest restaurants? Awesome.
July 19th, 2007 at 10:02 amMorning, Candyce! What was the final bet last night? How many Senators did we manage to hit on?
July 19th, 2007 at 10:02 amDeLay is an indicted criminal – nothing he says is relevant in any way, shape, or form.
July 19th, 2007 at 10:03 amIf ever there was a gathering of scary human cells, it would be that Young Republicans convention in DC!
They remind me of the same group during the Vietnam war that drooled all over Nixon and parroted everything back that they were given to say, including pre-printed posters for staged demonstrations. They even had choreographers who would place the signs and the bodies for the best TV coverage.
Any of this sound familiar???
July 19th, 2007 at 10:04 amI guess they wanted to take the heat off of another criminal (not yet indicted) Rupert Murdoch by adding an equally mendacious individual to the discussion mix here this morning?
July 19th, 2007 at 10:05 amThe sheer stupidity of Republicans has moved beyond comprehension.
July 19th, 2007 at 10:05 amupside00: Yes, what the hell was that all about anyway? A group of kook-aid drinking lockstep fascists circling around town recruiting Karl Rove look-alikes??
July 19th, 2007 at 10:05 amhowdy, Verbalkint!
July 19th, 2007 at 10:06 amThis man is completely odious. He is a symptom of something deeply wrong with our society. Look where he thrives for a clue to the location and cause of the cancer on the body politic.
July 19th, 2007 at 10:06 amYeah let’s force those women to have babies so that we can build up a sizeable workforce of unskilled low wage workers. Yipee! Why stop there why not force the pregnancy on the women to begin with. We can just prostuted them out to senior republicans and kill two birds with one stone. Satisfy their sexual cravings while building up an unskilled work force. Hey Tom do you think we can trust women to be out in open society or should we just have them all interred in a government camp. You F’ing Nazi!
July 19th, 2007 at 10:06 amfunny. those 40 million wouldn’t work the jobs the illegal aliens work!
July 19th, 2007 at 10:07 amI saw the Young Republicans clip–did anyone else’s gaydar go off all thru those interview segments? I mean, excluding the one who openly admitted that he’s in denial and repressing his homosexual tendencies?
July 19th, 2007 at 10:07 amI was on earlier but found that (ewwwwwww) my posting schedule must be in synchrony with Mr. Pee’s because he was the only other person on earlier this morning. I immediately jumped off lest the toxicity be spread electronically….eeeewwww!
July 19th, 2007 at 10:07 amVeritas,
As you say, it is really scary ithat this piece of Texas roadkill is still relevant. I guess he is the poster child for the Repugs and they want him to pass on his morality to the young. YECHHH!!
July 19th, 2007 at 10:07 amPeter C – yes, he thrives on living in darkness and even boasts about it. That is the epitome of evil. I think that DeLay rivals Darth Cheney for the title, Prince of Darkness.
July 19th, 2007 at 10:08 amSomeday we may discover that Tom DeLay is, in fact, a vampire who crawls into his coffin by day and roams the streets by night. Did anyone bet on DeLay to be on the Madam’s list??
July 19th, 2007 at 10:09 amupside00: Who’s left on their side of the aisle with any credibility? Just goes to show you that when you have to pull out a trick pony like DeLay, there’s very slim pickins!
July 19th, 2007 at 10:10 amNew sign for clinic protestors: Don’t kill your baby! He could make up to $2 an hour picking beans!
July 19th, 2007 at 10:10 amSeem’s to me this is the wake up call by TP to the troll’s…enter stage reich in 3-2-1-…Blessings
July 19th, 2007 at 10:11 amHow do we know that most of the abortions were not by the illigal invaders? It is a sure bet most of them were illegitimate.
July 19th, 2007 at 10:11 amWapo- Bush to veto children’s health program renewal – a bipartisan effort.
Will ask for 80 billion more for Iraq and halliburton.
Check it out.
July 19th, 2007 at 10:12 amDeLay demonstates (again) the cumulative effects of long term exposure to D-Con.
July 19th, 2007 at 10:12 amI wonder if Tommy Boy ever changes the 10W30 oil in that environmental disaster on top of his head?
July 19th, 2007 at 10:12 amAt a College Republicans gathering.
We’d better be vigilant – the brownshirts are gathering their sociopathic forces. On the bright side, they’re all pussies, and will disappear in a puff of malodorous steam as soon as confronted directly. The trick is that you have to confront them in person – blogging against them won’t work, because it offers them anonimity.
July 19th, 2007 at 10:12 amloretta: ughhhh! I was tempted to watch it but saw that guy on the photo and realized that what I’d be watching was another case of republican homsexual hypocrisy. And I do not imply that I have any problem with any sexual orientation – live and let live – and we’re all equal according to the Golden Rule. But I just suspected that it would uncover more republican hypocrisy.
July 19th, 2007 at 10:13 amhiya, veritas! I think TRoS will have to go back and collect our pool stats, but everyone on that list is a good possibility.
July 19th, 2007 at 10:14 amDeLay is a lot like those young Turds in the video; all talk & no walk.
It must be nice to be a young chickenhawkshit. Living in denial but espousing Rovian talking points.
Interesting to watch how they justify not serving. They’ve got some work to do yet. Maybe KKKarl can issue some new talking points on how to respond to the question ‘are you going to join the military’?
Ummm, I believe in our President, but I don’t have time now.
Ahem, I have thought about it, but it doesn’t fit my career track.
Well, I’ve got these football injuries.
Hmmm, I have asthma. Yeah! That’s it! Asthma!
Truth: ‘I want to make a lot of money so I don’t have time.
or
Hell no! I’m not going to get myself killed. I’m a Repukelican!
July 19th, 2007 at 10:15 amNow let’s be real here – who doesn’t have a shotgun wedding in some part of their genealogy?? The only difference is that back then abortion was illegal. So the entire concept of legitimate vs. illegitimate is smoke and mirrors.
July 19th, 2007 at 10:15 amZimzone – good new one *(at least for me) Repukelican – gotta love it! So apt. :)
July 19th, 2007 at 10:16 am“If we had those 40 million children that were killed over the last 30 years, we wouldn’t need the illegal immigrants to fill the jobs that they are doing today. ——- Holy crap! Someone tell me that he’s being misquoted. For anyone to say this in this day and age, is inexcusable.
illegal immigrants do the jobs that Americans won’t….but only because even cheaper labor was aborted.
July 19th, 2007 at 10:16 amNow there’s a rarity- a Republican telling people to think.
July 19th, 2007 at 10:17 amSince they want us to discuss Tom DeLay, perhaps someone needs to dig up all of his dirt and post it here? And we only know l/4 of the lurid details of this man’s life.
July 19th, 2007 at 10:17 amThey can follow the template created and utilized by the late, racist, Strom Thurman, with his African American daughter. Ol’ Strom loved him some brown sugar.
July 19th, 2007 at 10:17 amNew sign for clinic protestors: Don’t kill your baby! He could make up to $2 an hour picking beans!
Comment by nitpicker — July 19, 2007 @ 10:10 am
Brilliant…
A message sponsored by Human Traffickers Against Abortion.
July 19th, 2007 at 10:17 am‘Morn’n, Veritas!
The Repukelican Golden Rule…He who has the gold rules.
July 19th, 2007 at 10:18 amOMG.
truly a mentally disturbed individual that “drunky mcpukeshoes”
July 19th, 2007 at 10:18 amThis remark is filled with so much lunacy that it’s almost impossible to respond to it using logic. Forget “abortion is murder” — let’s just go with “we need unwanted babies to form an underclass”.
As long as DeLay is on a roll here, why doesn’t he claim that global warming is necessary because it keeps terrorists too hot to fight?
July 19th, 2007 at 10:18 amQuit aborting my servants, you damned commies!
Yeah, Tom DeLay. This is the guy who claimed black people kept him out of Vietnam.
July 19th, 2007 at 10:19 am.
College Republicans. What a bunch of dumba$$es. Who, at age 19, has a life experience that makes taxes and immigration their biggest issues? I guess this gang of ex-AV nerds imagines they will all be megarich business leaders some day, so, if they take capital gains taxes seriously, they will look that much more important today.
Now, get back to your Economics 201 class, my little chickenhawks.
July 19th, 2007 at 10:20 amveitas: I know–some of my closest friend are gay men, and I LOVE them–because they are beautiful, artistic people and create the BEST neighborhoods to live in.
July 19th, 2007 at 10:20 amIt’s tragic that those young men will live a life of sneaking around, cheating and hiding–they do not understand what a wonderful alternative there is.
Typical lefty loony terminology…..
“Undocumented Immigrant”: a country burglarizer who’s victims are directed NOT to call the police, but instead, they are to furnish a comfy bedroom for the criminal. No punitive action is to be taken. Crimes must be left “undocumented.”
Common sense, real world term….
Illegal Immigrant: a country burglarizer who is shipped off to jail for invading and showing clear disdain for the United States. Deportation follows immediately.
July 19th, 2007 at 10:23 amSO let me get this straight, if they aren’t aborted they could be working for less than minimum wage and without healthcare as well. Sounds like a great life, oh wait thats me….
July 19th, 2007 at 10:25 am#56. Hahahaha! This from the group that allows a convicted felon to walk free! You can’t be serious.
Scooter Libby: the exception to the “enforce the laws on the books” rule.
July 19th, 2007 at 10:25 amIs it time to certify the imbecile as completely insane yet?
July 19th, 2007 at 10:26 amWho in blazes would utter such a thing, much less believe it, if he were not totally out of his mind?
Loretta (#55) As well mine. I’ve worked in the arts myself in the past and have many wonderful gay friends.
July 19th, 2007 at 10:27 amIt is indicative of the relevance of “College Republicans”, in that the only people who they can get as speakers are disgraced and indicted former Congressional hot-tubbers.
July 19th, 2007 at 10:28 amComment by Republicans Can’t Govern. — July 19, 2007 @ 10:25 am
Illegal bummigrants commit worse crimes than Libby ever will. As well, sentencing guidelines at the federal level are advisory, not mandatory. Libby was the perfect candidate with a great character to receive the benefit of the doubt.
July 19th, 2007 at 10:29 amDog Damn! When Is this animal going to be put in jail and shut up already?!
July 19th, 2007 at 10:29 amComment by Republicans Can’t Govern. — July 19, 2007 @ 10:25 am
Also, I am not with the Republican party.
July 19th, 2007 at 10:30 amWas this DeLay’s ‘coming out’ or his ‘going away’ appearance?
He is the ’cause celeb’re’ to keep abortion legal.
Folks, this is your brain on pesticides, alcohol and false teachings.
July 19th, 2007 at 10:31 amWe need more poor people to have babies, dammit! Then we won’t have to get our cheap labor from Mexico. We’ll have all the poverty-level wage earners right here in the good ol’ USA. And they’ll be good red-blooded Amurricans.
July 19th, 2007 at 10:32 amDeLay is to politics what termites are to wood.
Wonder if he has termites under his wig?
July 19th, 2007 at 10:34 amOnly a moron listens to what this lying hypocrite has to say.
July 19th, 2007 at 10:36 amCT_V1
You mean worse then compromising CIA operatives investigating a historically hostile country’s WMD research programme?
July 19th, 2007 at 10:36 amdo the college republicans always host talks by people under indictment?
July 19th, 2007 at 10:37 amMy fetus WANTS to pick lettuce.
July 19th, 2007 at 10:37 amAlso, I am not with the Republican party.
Comment by CT_V1 — July 19, 2007 @ 10:30 am
Kinda tells us all we need to know about the Republicans – that you are too embarrassed to admit you support them on an anonymous forum.
July 19th, 2007 at 10:38 amSo, there is a crime worse than treason? I don’t think so.
As for the sentence he received, that was the sentence. the sentence wasn’t mandatory, but the judge felt that the guidelined merited the sentence. He’s a Republican appointed judge, after all (until he disagrees with Bushco, apparently).
Character? libby is a traitor who participated in a criminal conspiract to commit Treason. he should hung by the neck until dead, on the steps of the US Capitol, and lrft there for all to see, until the birsd and rats have picked his bones clean.
He’s a god-damned traitor to his country.
July 19th, 2007 at 10:38 am#54 – yes, why is it, that exactly at the age when these kids become capable of abstract thought, you find them with a copy of the Fountainhead in their hands? Sorry, boys and girls, it’s not that simple!
July 19th, 2007 at 10:38 amIllegal Immigrants from Mexico are ALL CATHOLIC!!!! Mexicans have atleast 4 babies per family. I WISH they believed in abortion. honestly.
July 19th, 2007 at 10:40 amCT: You mean TREASON? Not sure I can think of a worse crime. But, of course, coming from a Republican, I wouldn’t expect you to respect the rule of law.
July 19th, 2007 at 10:41 amCT_V1, your posts here are purely masturbatory. No one really gives a flying f*ck what some pimple faced whore beating off in Mommy’s bedroom has to say but the loser himself.
Please get a life, be somebody. Maybe if you got some exercise and fresh air you wouldn’t hate yourself so much. And we wouldn’t either.
July 19th, 2007 at 10:42 amComment by Marcus Aurelius — July 19, 2007 @ 10:38 am
HE WASN’T CHARGED WITH TREASON, DOUCHEBAG!!!!!!!!!!!
LEFTY PROPAGANDA DOESN’T MAKE THE CUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
July 19th, 2007 at 10:42 amThese mentally imbalanced people (like DeLay) fail to follow through on their logic.
If they’re going to create some lovely vision of all of those beautiful babies having been born, then what about all of the repercussions?
That’s a lot of young women who had to drop out of school to take care of their babies and could, potentially, would have ended up on welfare. What about the young men who, potentially, took their parental responsibility seriously and dropped out of school to support the new little surprise.
What about those who, potentially, got married because of the unwanted pregnancy? Would their marriages have survived? They certainly wouldn’t have started on the right foot!
What about all of the societal consequences of a good portion of all of those kids growing up with one parent? Or being brought up by their grandparents? A good portion of those kids probably would have ended up getting pregnant as teenagers just like their mothers. A good portion of those kids would have grown up with resentful parents and therefore would have felt unwanted. On and on.
July 19th, 2007 at 10:42 amThose who commit treason against the United States should hang.
July 19th, 2007 at 10:43 amDam typod! Er, Typoa! Er, Typox!
I gotta’ get this keyboard fixed.
July 19th, 2007 at 10:43 amCT is getting testy. AND, he can’t run away from the current Republican party fast enough, can he?? Hahaha.
July 19th, 2007 at 10:43 amComment by nanlichi — July 19, 2007 @ 10:42 am
M’kay, kid. Typical libecrat whining.
Go make yourself a sandwhich, ya hear?
July 19th, 2007 at 10:45 amMarcus,
I gotta say I appreciate your posts. Graphic and spot on. A great mix of comment and humor.
Thanks
July 19th, 2007 at 10:45 amWhat person honestly believes that a ation of CATHOLICS that don’t even believe in useing CONDOMS and are rapidly over populating the rest of americas ethnicitys are having Abortions!!??
so stupid.
July 19th, 2007 at 10:49 amI have heard some stupid things said by rescumlicans but this could quite be the dumbest. Isn’t there some kind of award for this?
July 19th, 2007 at 10:49 amIllegal bummigrants drive drunk, kill people in the process, and commit other heinous crimes.
Your upcoming response? Natives do it.
The difference? Those who come here should have more on their minds in this great country than taking their time to commit those crimes.
Correction: post # 82 – sandwich.
July 19th, 2007 at 10:50 amComment by Republicans Can’t Govern. — July 19, 2007 @ 10:43 am
There was no treason committed until someone is indicted and convicted of that charge.
July 19th, 2007 at 10:51 amThe NAU will end the term Illegal Immigrants once they abolish the border and give them all amnesty.
woo hoo! communism here we come.
July 19th, 2007 at 10:51 amCT_V1
The difference? Those who come here should have more on their minds in this great country than taking their time to commit those crimes.
So, you are in support of Americans driving drunk?
July 19th, 2007 at 10:52 amdo the college republicans always host talks by people under indictment?
Do they have any choice any more?
July 19th, 2007 at 10:52 am.
So, you are in support of Americans driving drunk?
Is there a “Support the Troops” ribbon-magnet on this drunk’s car?
Well, OK then.
July 19th, 2007 at 10:53 am.
He wasn’t charged with treason, because he obstructed the investigation, you piece of scat. Do you ever wonder why, given that someone in Bushco obviously outed one of our own spies, no one has been charged with the crime and the inestigation has ended? History will out the conspiracy to commit treason (the motive was profit), as well as the act of treason itself. The guilty will include all of the senior BA people. All of them.
I take it, from reading your misdirections, that you don’t think that Treason is a serious crime. Please post your thoughts regarding exactly who outed Plame and why. Keep these facts in mind while composing your post:
Plame was a covert agent (according to the CIA).
Actors in the BA, including, but not limited to Armitage (as indicated by libby’s obstruction conviction), orchestrated the campaign to endanger Plame as punishment to her husband.
Treason is a Capital crime in the US.
July 19th, 2007 at 10:53 amComment by nanlichi — July 19, 2007 @ 10:42 am
This idiot’s affiliation is NOT with America. This one seems intent on defending third-world slop people and their cultures.
Good luck with those defenses.
Immigrants who hate America are to be looked down upon. Simple as that.
July 19th, 2007 at 10:53 amNone of that matters – as long as the babies are white and raised Christian.
July 19th, 2007 at 10:54 am“There was no treason committed until someone is indicted and convicted of that charge.”
LOL… Um, no. Do I really need to point out how hilariously stupid, and wrong, this statement is?
July 19th, 2007 at 10:54 amDeLay, please run for President. I think all of America needs to hear more from you. Run on the GOP platform so we can all identify who else supports your views.
Damn ass dumb DeLay.
July 19th, 2007 at 10:56 amComment by Marcus Aurelius — July 19, 2007 @ 10:53 am
N-O-B-O-D-Y
W-A-S
C-H-A-R-G-E-D
W-I-T-H
T-R-E-A-S-O-N
Your compilation of propaganda doesn’t make it so, so don’t put words in my mouth, buddy.
July 19th, 2007 at 10:56 amThank you.
July 19th, 2007 at 10:56 amSo, you are in support of Americans driving drunk?
americans that get in a car accident after drinking dont flee to mexico. they go to JAIL!
and even if the mexicans do get arrested they just get deported back to a nation that sets them free as soon as they get home.
July 19th, 2007 at 10:57 amAre you saying I’m a sandwich? Well then: Bite me.
July 19th, 2007 at 10:58 amThe fact that Delay, before his political career, worked to exterminate his own kind tells all you need to know about his character and behavior patterns.
July 19th, 2007 at 10:59 am#88. What?? Amazing logic there, Justice Marshall. No crime is COMMITED unless the person is charged and found guilty??
By that logic, no murder was committed by the hijackers on 9/11 because no one hijacker was indicted and convicted.
Simple fact: A member or members of the Bush administration committed TREASON against the United States. Libby lied to a federal investigators to protect those treasonous individuals.
July 19th, 2007 at 10:59 amSo, you are in support of Americans driving drunk?
Comment by Bruce Gorton — July 19, 2007 @ 10:52 am
My God, you’re brain-dead. Just run along, please.
Libecrats, I can see all of you to be a little slow.
July 19th, 2007 at 11:00 amold hack
First of all, his reasoning wasn’t based on any special treatment.
Second: Mexicans who drive drunk go to jail too. America has extradition treaties with Mexico – and Mexican jail is reputedly somewhat worse then American. So please, leave your KKK style “They is getting special treatment” bunk out of it.
July 19th, 2007 at 11:00 amOkay, and the WTC towers fell due to their own structural defects, until someone is indicted and convicted for making them fall.
July 19th, 2007 at 11:00 am“third-world slop people and their cultures”?
if i were on the $25,000 Pyramid, i’d guess the category was “Things an Uneducated Racist Says”
July 19th, 2007 at 11:01 amstop with the obvious libby nonsense and get back on topic.
Mexicans. evil evil commie mexicans. coming to steal your job and your home and lower the standard of the dollar so that we are all barely able to even get by.
everyday. a little more.
July 19th, 2007 at 11:01 am#106. Exactly! And JonBenet Ramsey wasn’t murdered. No one has been charged or convicted. Therefore, a must’ve been a bizarre stabbing accident.
July 19th, 2007 at 11:02 amCT_V1
Illegal bummigrants drive drunk, kill people in the process, and commit other heinous crimes.
Your upcoming response? Natives do it.
The difference? Those who come here should have more on their minds in this great country than taking their time to commit those crimes.
Correction: post # 82 – sandwich.
Your post. You see, I find people driving drunk and killing people to be pretty objectionable whoever they are – Killing people is wrong. Here you seem to think it is somehow okay so long as the drunken driver is an American.
July 19th, 2007 at 11:02 amEgreggious and I were talking about this last nght on another thread.
We agreed that the students in the video sounde much like most of the trolls here. Maybe we even got a look at one or two of them!
And the abortion sttement is beyond ridiculous….
July 19th, 2007 at 11:03 amThe article goes on to say:
“Former Georgia Democratic Senator Zell Miller gave a speech to an anti-abortion conference earlier in the year that linked abortion to illegal immigration. Miller also blamed abortion for other societal ills, such as the state of America’s Social Security system and difficulty in recruiting soldiers for the Armed Forces.”
July 19th, 2007 at 11:04 amyour KKK style “They is getting special treatment†bunk out of it
Im not a racist damn it. just cuz i side with people not willing to hand our country over to a nation that HATES US!
thats not racism.
If i said they’re a bunch of bean eating retarded sombrero wearing donkey lovers. that’d be racist.
mentioning the fact that. No they are not put in prison once they are sent home but just sent back to the border where they crossed is not racist. thats just fact. quit playing the race card on every turn Not all of us against the NAU are racists.
July 19th, 2007 at 11:05 amComment by Marcus Aurelius — July 19, 2007 @ 10:58 am
It was correction of spelling to a previous post. Sorry if that confused you.
July 19th, 2007 at 11:05 am“evil evil commie mexicans.”
huh?
July 19th, 2007 at 11:05 amThat’s not what he’s saying, at all. He’s saying that he supports Republicans driving drunk. Everybody knows that Republicans believe that they are the only true Americans (everyone else – especially those who believe in such things as the Bill of Rights, universal rights to Habeas Corpus, and the Rule of law – are criminals).
sheesh.
July 19th, 2007 at 11:05 amThe immigrants are here because the USA is underpopulated?
Well, Norteña immigrants are here because American agricultural subsidies drove their farms out of business.
They might as well come work up here because American management doesn’t want to pay for American labor, whether it’s programmers or leaf-blowers.
July 19th, 2007 at 11:06 am.
margaret,
Thank goodness we have illegal immigrants — they can do all our shit jobs, and take the blame for the state of this country as well.
Why, if it weren’t for illegal immigrants, we’d have sunshine everyday and gas would be 35 cents a gallon!
July 19th, 2007 at 11:06 amComment by Bruce Gorton — July 19, 2007 @ 11:02 am
Of course it’s not ok, but why take on the additional source of crime? Is our nation’s law enforcement system not burdened enough already?
July 19th, 2007 at 11:07 amI thought about it, Mr. Delay. You are crazy.
July 19th, 2007 at 11:07 amDoes this include your Grandpappy?
July 19th, 2007 at 11:08 amThank goodness we have illegal immigrants — they can do all our shit jobs, and take the blame for the state of this country as well.
Wow, Mexicans are working really hard, aren’t they?
July 19th, 2007 at 11:09 am.
pgw I was being sarcastic… sort of.
July 19th, 2007 at 11:09 amI thought that guy died?
July 19th, 2007 at 11:09 amI did think about it, and you’re still a moron.
And a crook. And a hypocrite. And a liar. And a scumbag.
July 19th, 2007 at 11:10 am“Of course it’s not ok, but why take on the additional source of crime?
Comment by CT_V1 — July 19, 2007″
so you want to deport scooter?
July 19th, 2007 at 11:10 amAnswer my questions, you lying, disingenuous, intellectually ignorant, pig. I’d try to put words into your mouth, buddy, if there wasn’t a steady stream of feces coming out of it.
July 19th, 2007 at 11:10 amThank goodness we have illegal immigrants — they can do all our shit jobs, and take the blame for the state of this country as well.
ONCE AND FOR ALL… THEY ARE NOT TAKING SHIT JOBS WE DONT WANT. ALL OF THE WORKING CLASS HAVE SHIT JOBS. THEY ARE TAKING IT FOR UNSUSTAINABLE WAGES! NOONE CAN LIVE IN AMERICA ON 4 DOLLARS AN HOUR UNLESS YOU HAVE 10 PEOPLE IN ONE HOUSE HOLD.
July 19th, 2007 at 11:10 amComment by Republicans Can’t Govern. — July 19, 2007 @ 10:59 am
Frankly, you have a sound rebuttal, but the attackers weren’t indicted because they obviously killed themselves off. The probable cause was there, however, as you state.
Rove, Libby, and others, however, ARE alive and would be able stand trial if the probably cause for TREASON existed in their cases. The special prosecutor, a good and thorough one at that, hasn’t exactly presented any proof for a formal indictment of treason.
July 19th, 2007 at 11:12 amONCE AND FOR ALL… THEY ARE NOT TAKING SHIT JOBS WE DONT WANT. ALL OF THE WORKING CLASS HAVE SHIT JOBS. THEY ARE TAKING IT FOR UNSUSTAINABLE WAGES! NOONE CAN LIVE IN AMERICA ON 4 DOLLARS AN HOUR UNLESS YOU HAVE 10 PEOPLE IN ONE HOUSE HOLD.
Comment by old hack
I was being SARCASTIC. Get a clue, dear.
July 19th, 2007 at 11:12 amIllegal bummigrants drive drunk, kill people in the process, and commit other heinous crimes.
Gee, that’s not what Tony Snow told me.
“In the small number of studies providing empirical evidence, immigrants are generally less involved in crime than similarly situated groups, despite the wealth of prominent criminological theories that provide good reasons why this should not be the case.”
Authors Ramiro Martinez Jr. and Matthew T. Lee note, for instance, that the Latino homicide rate in Miami is three times that of El Paso, Texas, which has one of the nation’s largest immigrant populations.
That’s not just an anomaly. Another major study, “U.S. Impacts of Mexican Immigration,” by professors Michael J. Greenwood and Marta Tienda reports that “crime rates along the border are lower than those of comparable non-border cities.”
This doesn’t mean immigrants from Mexico are saints — it just means that they may not be the marauding horde some make them out to be. As it turns out, crime rates in the highest immigration states have been trending significantly downward.
Total crime and property crime in California are half what they were in 1980; violent crime has fallen more than a third. The state’s Hispanic population during that time has increased 120 percent.
Similar trends apply in other high-traffic states, with the exception of Colorado. While Arizona’s population grew 41.8 percent between
July 19th, 2007 at 11:13 am1993 and 2003, for instance, the rates for every major category of crime fell.
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I gather that CT doesn’t understand Obstruction. An act of treason has occured in the outing of a cover agent. That’s a fact. The obstruction charge is just that. Libby obstructed justice from finding out who committed treason.
You may not like those facts but they are facts just the same. There is a push to continue with the initial investigation and you may be eating your words (again).
July 19th, 2007 at 11:13 amZell Miller: Still crazy as a shithouse mouse.
July 19th, 2007 at 11:14 amhmmm….
and that guy was…House Majority Leader of United States Congress !!!!
God really needs to bless this country !!!
July 19th, 2007 at 11:15 amComment by pgw — July 19, 2007 @ 11:10 am
Don’t you compare an honorable civil servant with some raggedy, violent drunk illegal. Scooter Libby is a proud American, deserves all forgiveness.
July 19th, 2007 at 11:15 amNonetheless: Bite me.
July 19th, 2007 at 11:15 amOT,
Was the guy claiming to be Emperor of Colorado that was shot dead outside the Governor’s doorway Dick Cheney, or was it Dirty Dick that shot him?
July 19th, 2007 at 11:15 amComment by hellinabucket — July 19, 2007 @ 11:13 am
I need to hear those facts of “treason” coming from the special prosecutor.
July 19th, 2007 at 11:16 amZooey you get on my nerves.
July 19th, 2007 at 11:16 amDon’t you compare an honorable civil servant with some raggedy, violent drunk illegal.
Comment by CT_V1
Please don’t generalize, CT.
July 19th, 2007 at 11:17 amI was being SARCASTIC. Get a clue, dear.
Comment by Zooey
Top o’ the mornin’ to ya, Zooey
July 19th, 2007 at 11:17 am“Honorable civil servant” = one who is complicit with treason against the United States and acts to hinder any investigation into such treason.
July 19th, 2007 at 11:17 amComment by hellinabucket — July 19, 2007 @ 11:13 am
Obstruction and treason are two different crimes. Sorry. There’s a reason why they’re separate counts.
July 19th, 2007 at 11:17 amZooey you get on my nerves.
Comment by old hack
Good. That means I’m having an effect.
July 19th, 2007 at 11:18 amExactly.
July 19th, 2007 at 11:18 amthings I have eye witnessed.
a kid at the maket wearing a black t shirt with AZTLAN in bold gold letters
an illegal immigrant getting a band account at bank of america
a 18 year old kid that admitted he was illegaly here applying for disability for being “Bi-Polar”
last but not least, Racism towards anyone non-meixcan
July 19th, 2007 at 11:19 amold hack
They are sent to the border if they haven’t comitted any crimes other then being illegal immigrants. If they have actually comitted another crime they are charged just like any American, otherwise every nation on Earth would be sending its people to America to loot the place.
Oh, and assuming a whole population group just blindly hates you? Kind of racist.
CT_V1
Look, the trick you guys on the right have to learn is to enforce the law dispassionately. You don’t have to hate illegal immigrants, heck you are even allowed to like them, you just have to enforce the law.
Your endless rhetoric about “They are drunks, they are looters, they have horns and tails” is all kind of stupid: The law is on the books, the argument ended at least a hundred years ago, enforce the law.
And enforce those provisions against those who bring them into the country, and hire them at exploitative rates. You want to put an end to illegal imigration? Here is a secret: So do liberals. We just don’t feel you need to hate them to do it.
July 19th, 2007 at 11:19 amTop o’ the mornin’ to ya, Zooey
Comment by SGT Higgins
Good morning, Sarge! I’ll be hitting the road for home in a couple hours. Yay!
Lovely morning, eh? Tom DeLay and abortion (and Scooter Libby?) on one thread. :)
July 19th, 2007 at 11:20 amDid he tell the little closet homo club (College Republic-SCUM) how most of his staffers are in prison, or on their way there?
Did he tell ‘em why he’s NO LONGER IN THE HOUSE??????????????????????????
Did he tell ‘em about his little homies Ralph Reed and Grover Norquist, who are both, very lucky they aren’t in prison for money laundering? huh?
July 19th, 2007 at 11:20 amyou’re having a negative effect zooey. You’re not going to be able to influence my perspective on this peril situation.
in the words of Richard Pryor. “who you gonna believe? Me? Or your lying eyes”
July 19th, 2007 at 11:21 am“Scooter Libby is a proud American, deserves all forgiveness.
Comment by CT_V1 — July 19, 2007″
i wish i could see the scooter collage you made out of all the newspaper clippings. are you judy miller?
July 19th, 2007 at 11:21 amYou, my dear, ignorant, neocon pig, are a knucklehead. Obstruction of Justice cannot happen unless there is an underlying crime. In this case, the underlying crime was treason. Now, try to answer my questions. I don’t think you can, without outing yourself as a traitor.
July 19th, 2007 at 11:23 amWell, sure, I know if I had an unwanted child it would want to grow up and pick grapes or be a meat packer. Well, okay, maybe if the coporations were willing to pay a decent wage, maybe, but probably not for $2/day.
July 19th, 2007 at 11:24 amComment by Bruce Gorton — July 19, 2007 @ 11:19 am
Agreed. The right certainly has some big explaining to do in contributing heavily to this problem. Many of them complain about a result they indirectly ask for.
July 19th, 2007 at 11:24 amLovely morning, eh? Tom DeLay and abortion (and Scooter Libby?) on one thread. :)
Comment by Zooey
Right? How can you go wrong? His stupid remark about abortion was bad enough…but the follow up, “think about it” just made it that much worse, almost as if he already had. I’d have felt better if it was an off-the-cuff remark.
Have a safe trip. =)
July 19th, 2007 at 11:24 amAren’t you on the right? Start explaining, pig.
July 19th, 2007 at 11:27 amBruce Gorton
I AM NOT ON THE RIGHT!!!!
im a gun toating howard dean liberal who is seeing this crap first hand as oppose to most who just read about it and form an oppinion based on someone elses oppinion.
July 19th, 2007 at 11:27 amthings I have eye witnessed
Wow, four whole people. I’m sure that our nation of 300 million is in desperate peril.
July 19th, 2007 at 11:27 am.
releasing the name of a covert agent to the public during a time of war is treason.
I know you don’t like that CT. But your dislike for it doesn’t make it any less of a treasonous act.
I don’t expect to change your view on this. I just gain strength knowing that others are listening and researching and coming up with the same facts that have already been presented to you.
It’s not a partisan attack. It’s treason and this administrations denial and cover up. An agent’s identity was released. That’s treason.
ignore it, deny it. But it is.
July 19th, 2007 at 11:29 amComment by Marcus Aurelius — July 19, 2007 @ 11:23 am
He did obstruct their investigation. As I’ve said before, I wasn’t questioning his guilt, only his sentencing. If Libby truly had all the keys to solving the case and let somebody get away with treason, then I revise my statements to say – bitterly and grudgingly – that’s there’s no evidence to indict anyone on treason because of Libby’s contempt.
In a way, I think the magnitude of Libby’s offense is coming into perspective now.
July 19th, 2007 at 11:30 amTom deLay is the BEST example of why abortion on demand should be readily available, and retoactive up to , ah, about- his age. Maybe a clinic in the back of the 7-11, for Republi-SCUM.
July 19th, 2007 at 11:30 amComment by old hack — July 19, 2007 @ 11:27 am
Hey wing-nut,
July 19th, 2007 at 11:30 amHe didn’t call you a ‘Righty’, he called you a racist.
4 whole people. riiiight….
I’m just stateing that most of what is being said about how their hostility towards america and their exploititive nature is abundantly TRUE!
and for that statement about “saying the whole country hates us is racist”
just take a look at the effects NAFTA had on Mexico and you’ll have no doubt as to if and Why they hate us.
July 19th, 2007 at 11:33 amComment by Marcus Aurelius — July 19, 2007 @ 11:27 am
In regards to the immigration ordeal, I’m only trying to take an aerial view. The right has their low-wage interests, interests I don’t support.
July 19th, 2007 at 11:34 amI see DeLay’s remarks as a reason to SUPPORT abortion rights. Let’s quote him liberally on our blogs and in our conversations.
US women want more for their children than a life spent serving low-wage, no-benefit, harsh-condition employers that offer value only to persons from poor, under-developed parts of the world. The US wants its serfs, and the US people decline to serve them up. Hooray for us.
July 19th, 2007 at 11:34 amrepublicans are Not for securing the border. they say they are but thats just political theater because most people that vote republican have a racist bone to pick.
July 19th, 2007 at 11:34 amold hack
Okay, lets take a look at your examples:
A Latino guy in an objectionable T-Shirt who may or may not be an illegal immigrant (I somehow doubt you went up and asked him about it. I also doubt you have a magical “Illegal Immigrant” radar in your head.) I have seen lots of objectionable T-Shirts, and worn a few in my life as has everybody else on Earth.
A latino guy getting a bank account in America. Hardly objectionable. You can get a bank account in South Africa if you want, but I wouldn’t suggest it, our charges are kind of on the high side (Worst in the world.)
An 18 year old latino kid who may be a form of nuts which includes violent outbursts and suicidal tendencies.
And a bunch of people who act like the latino version of rednecks.
They sound kind of like people to me.
July 19th, 2007 at 11:36 amhe said… “Look, the trick you guys on the right have to learn is to enforce the law dispassionately”
pretty clear he was mistaken me for being on the right.
take your race card else where. it doesn’t fit here.
July 19th, 2007 at 11:37 amI’m just stateing that most of what is being said about how their hostility towards america and their exploititive nature is abundantly TRUE!
Whatever. I’m around Mexican immigrants every work day, so I didn’t learn about this on AM Radio. I’ll spend the next week crossing the border (as I do twice a year) and I just applied for a job on the border. I’m not scared.
You’re full of it. Either that or I’m not as easily frightened as you.
July 19th, 2007 at 11:38 am.
Scum like deLay support Corporate ‘MeriKKKa who want their cheap, slave labor that they don’t need to pay well or benefits at all-
why else did Chimpy support the recent immigration bill- it ain’t out of his cum- passionate conservatism, Cletus.
Remember who flodded New Orleans and the Gulf Coast after Katrina, and after th echimpster suspended the Davis- Bacon Act to require that employers pay “prevailing wages”?????????????
And who can forget his trips to the Northern Marianas to bolster those bastions of corporate benevolence in their little experiment in low taxes and no gummint regulation?
July 19th, 2007 at 11:38 amold hack
he said… “Look, the trick you guys on the right have to learn is to enforce the law dispassionatelyâ€
pretty clear he was mistaken me for being on the right.
take your race card else where. it doesn’t fit here.
Comment by old hack — July 19, 2007 @ 11:37 am
You mean the way I adressed it to a totally different poster?
July 19th, 2007 at 11:38 amYou mean the way I adressed it to a totally different poster?
Comment by Bruce Gorton
You address one member of the Borg, you address them all.
July 19th, 2007 at 11:40 amare you aware of what wearing a t shirt that says AZTLAN on it represents? He might as well be wearing a military uniform.
Giving bank accounts to illegal immigrants is illegal.
the kid was Not nuts at all. he was smiling and eiger to suck off the tit of american welfare.
quit appologizing for these people. they don’t deserve your kindness.
July 19th, 2007 at 11:40 amComment by Bruce Gorton — July 19, 2007 @ 11:38 am
Bruce, you cool…..you cool.
July 19th, 2007 at 11:42 amare you aware of what wearing a t shirt that says AZTLAN on it represents? He might as well be wearing a military uniform.
Only if you have a cartoon notion of what “military” means. The idea that some coffee-shop blather about Aztlan somehow equals bootcamp isn’t just stupid, it’s insulting.
the kid was Not nuts at all. he was smiling and eiger to suck off the tit of american welfare.
And just how long have you been in psychiatry, Mr. Spock?
July 19th, 2007 at 11:44 am.
old hack- what this fool witnessed isn’t what I see in the Southwestern U.S. every day-
July 19th, 2007 at 11:44 amthe retard right needs a nice scapegoat to keep the sheeps’ minds off of the REAL problems in this Country, and what we’ve screwed up worldwide.
illegal immigration is far from being the problem the right-wing SCUM media want you Cletii to believe, I’d say the deficit, our failed military misadventures, the growing disparity between the haves and have- nots, lots of other things, but not a bunch of wets.
old hack sez:
So…the political right is a different race now?
You guys always did seem like an alien species…
July 19th, 2007 at 11:46 amComment by old hack — July 19, 2007 @ 11:40 am
And you’re not a racist at all. I can see exactly what you’re saying. You’re a patriot.
July 19th, 2007 at 11:46 amHere’s a funny story, probably apocryphal.
Seems George Bush got all coked up one night and ended up slicing some kid’s throat, left him bleeding in the pool. Scooter witnessed the whole thing but Bush took him aside and said, “Hey little buddy, you are a good public servant, it would be disatrous of the POTW was to be thrown in jail for such a crime, how about you forget this whole thing hapened? If you get busted for some minor thing like lying and obstructing justice, I will promise to pardon you. That way I don’t get busted, and you don’t do any time, and I promise you wealth beyond your dreams in some of this black gold shit we are stealing. Deal?”
They shook on it, and Scooter, being the Honorable civil servant he was covered for his boss.
And all the sycophant whores who think Bush is their personal God, pissed and moaned about the horrible treatment that poor Scooter got.
I say we rip his eyes out and skull f*ck him for his honorable service.
July 19th, 2007 at 11:47 amyou’re having a negative effect zooey. You’re not going to be able to influence my perspective on this peril situation.
in the words of Richard Pryor. “who you gonna believe? Me? Or your lying eyesâ€
Comment by old hack
I don’t think I could possibly have a negative (or positive) effect on someone as racist and fearful as you. That’s really sad, actually.
Illegal immigration is an institutional problem, not an immigrant (people) problem. Work toward that solution. What am I saying….? Nevermind.
You are wilfully blind, and refuse to see past your own wants, needs and fears.
July 19th, 2007 at 11:48 amare you aware of what wearing a t shirt that says AZTLAN on it represents? He might as well be wearing a military uniform.
One thing it might represent is a belief that the SW United States properly belong to the people of Mexico. It’s not a ridiculous belief, given our history, and no more objectionable than Native Americans claiming that Europeans stole their land and that the US Government lied to them repeatedly while stealing their land. All true.
Giving bank accounts to illegal immigrants is illegal.
Even wingnut anti-immigrants know better than that. Check it out: http://tinyurl.com/yvrf79
the kid was Not nuts at all. he was smiling and eiger to suck off the tit of american welfare.
Comment by old hack
You have absolutely no way of knowing whether someone is bipolar. Unless, of course, you’re the guy’s shrink and have spent months working with him.
July 19th, 2007 at 11:48 amNeoCONS ‘R’ SCUM
and I would say that yes while those problems are serious fronts to our liberty, Those issues are distracting you from how much of a problem the NAU is.
I’m a bleeding heart liberal and I nevr wouldve subscribed to this ideology if I hadnt moved to california and started to witness these things first hand.
July 19th, 2007 at 11:49 am“are you aware of what wearing a t shirt that says AZTLAN on it represents? He might as well be wearing a military uniform.”
Dude go into any high school and sample the t-shirts worn by any of the kids regardless of ethnicity. It might just be youthful rebellion.
Giving bank accounts to illegal immigrants is illegal.
Was the bank president white and a conservative?
“the kid was Not nuts at all. he was smiling and eiger to suck off the tit of american welfare.”
I usually think people who are smiling too much are indeed crazy. Have mental health experts corellated facial express with brain chemistry? Oh and you qualifications as a medical expert where?
“quit appologizing for these people. they don’t deserve your kindness.”
I taught in an inner city school for sometime and found almost all new comers to be decent hard working families and young people far more honorable then their spolied spawn of old time wasp classmates
Comment by old hack — July 19, 2007 @ 11:40 am
July 19th, 2007 at 11:50 amold hack sez:
Interesting…isn’t that what the Pharasees kept saying to Jesus when he consorted with thieves, tax collectors, and prostitutes?
You sure that’s the side you wanna be lining up on?
July 19th, 2007 at 11:50 amFor some reason I think Tom DeLay has huffed his bug spray one too many times.
July 19th, 2007 at 11:51 amI’m a bleeding heart liberal and I nevr wouldve subscribed to this ideology if I hadnt moved to california and started to witness these things first hand.
Comment by old hack
Now you’re blaming California? Move away.
July 19th, 2007 at 11:51 amgummitch
Then please explain to me why he would be Smiling???
you know what Bi-polar means? extreme mood swings. I’d say that entails every woman between the age of 40 and 55.
And you’re missing my point. Reguardless of whether he was nuts or not. He addmited he had only been here for 6 months and Illegaly! Should we just import any persons that have mental problems and put them on welfare?
July 19th, 2007 at 11:52 amHi Zooey! Good to see you here – I got a bit worried last weekend when the incoherent troll ravings got to be too much for even you (you seem to have a high tolerance).
This immigration issue really polarizes people. It’s a problem in the city that I live in and no-one seems to know how to deal with it. But arresting people at the immigration office after they’ve been trying to get their legal papers for over 15 years does NOT seem to be the way to go! That’s a current case here, in which the couple’s American teenage daughter is facing being left behind when they deport her parents (who were recently thrown in jail after being arrested at the immigration office).
I’ve met illegal immigrants who pay their taxes, get married (often to born-and-raised Americans), have children and cross their fingers hoping for the best because they’re too afraid to apply for papers, taking the chance that they will then just get deported.
Of course, there are bad apples in with the good ones just like anywhere else.
July 19th, 2007 at 11:52 amI’m a bleeding heart liberal
Comment by old hack
“quit appologizing for these people. they don’t deserve your kindness.â€
Comment by old hack
That’s some bleeding heart you got there hack.
July 19th, 2007 at 11:52 amOld Hack:
I forgot to mention it but I am sorry that your encounters have been negative ones. Please try to keep an open mind and employ a smaller brush
July 19th, 2007 at 11:52 amI’m a bleeding heart liberal …
BzzzT!!!
Sorry, my bullshit detector just went off. Next, you’ll be telling me you live in “San Fransisco” …
Oh, and your letters to Penthouse Forum weren’t that great, either.
July 19th, 2007 at 11:52 am.
Im not blaming California zooey. I see clearly that it is the fault of Bill Clinton and Al Gore for destroying Mexico. We never had thiws problem until after the effects of NAFTA.
get a clue deary
July 19th, 2007 at 11:53 amold hack sez:
Thanks for giving us yet another reason why we need not take you seriously.
July 19th, 2007 at 11:53 amThen please explain to me why he would be Smiling???
you know what Bi-polar means? extreme mood swings.
Comment by old hack
You just answered your own question screwball.
July 19th, 2007 at 11:54 amThen please explain to me why he would be Smiling???
Uh, because “bipolars” get manic? I’ve seen it, it’s intense.
you know what Bi-polar means? extreme mood swings. I’d say that entails every woman between the age of 40 and 55.
Hmmm, apparently you don’t know what “bipolar” or “entails” means.
How big are the keys on your Playskool™ keyboard? Do they light up and play songs for you?
July 19th, 2007 at 11:54 am.
As a matter of fact I do reside just south of san francisco mr texas. and I love it. everyone gets to be themselves.
July 19th, 2007 at 11:54 amtexan now you’re just being trivial and personaly attacking me. seems your argument must be weak.
July 19th, 2007 at 11:55 amUh, because “bipolars†get manic? I’ve seen it, it’s intense.
Comment by Grand Moff Texan
LOL I LIVE with it. It is intense. It’s a constant dancing on eggshells.
July 19th, 2007 at 11:56 amI see clearly that it is the fault of Bill Clinton and Al Gore for destroying Mexico. We never had thiws problem until after the effects of NAFTA.
Right, ’cause Bill Clinton was preznit in 1986.
Kinda hard to blame NAFTA for immigration woes, unless you’re, you know, a moron.
July 19th, 2007 at 11:56 am.
LOL I LIVE with it. It is intense. It’s a constant dancing on eggshells.
Sorry to hear that. My uncle has it, and it’s hard to watch him tear himself apart every 18 months or so.
July 19th, 2007 at 11:57 am.
wait a second. I just had a thought..
What exactly are you people arguing with me for?
do you believe in an open border?
please explain…
July 19th, 2007 at 11:58 amAs a matter of fact I do reside just south of san francisco mr texas. and I love it. everyone gets to be themselves.
Except for the Mexican-Americans, apparently.
July 19th, 2007 at 11:58 am.
Comment by TripMaster Monkey — July 19, 2007 @ 11:53 am
He’s got more wise words to bring to the table than you ever will. It’s pretty clear that you’re a fake intellectual. You should run along.
July 19th, 2007 at 11:58 amAgain with the macho nonsensical ramblings about how I must be a moronic racist because I don’t want to live in Mexico. texas. What exactly do you think should be done about the 10s of millioins of people flooding in here?
July 19th, 2007 at 12:00 pmwait a second. I just had a thought..
Comment by old hack
Just the one, huh? Well, it’s about time, don’cha think?
July 19th, 2007 at 12:01 pmI’m a bleeding heart liberal
Comment by old hack
You describe yourself with a term the neocons use to degenerate liberals/progressive/anyone with a different ideology and you expect us to believe that?
You just shot down your own credibility.
July 19th, 2007 at 12:01 pmIM NOT RACIST TOWARDS ANYONE!
damn it.
I am most comfortable when I see diversity. I don’t like living in redkneck white towns. I don’t like living in Black ghettos, I don’t like living in Mexican neighborhoods. I want to live in American neighborhoods which means DIVERSITY!!!!!!!!!
July 19th, 2007 at 12:01 pmTripSurrender Monkey loves the state of open borders. In a way, he’s thinking about changing his party affiliation because of it.
July 19th, 2007 at 12:02 pm“my heart bleeds a little for the under privelaged” charles bronson in Death Wish.
July 19th, 2007 at 12:02 pmHe’s got more wise words to bring to the table than you ever will. It’s pretty clear that you’re a fake intellectual. You should run along.
Comment by CT_V1
It’s pretty clear DeLay has been sharing that huffing bag of bug spray with you.
July 19th, 2007 at 12:03 pmOf course, there are bad apples in with the good ones just like anywhere else.
Comment by margaret — July 19, 2007 @ 11:52 am
Hey margaret,
Several commenters were making statements about not abandoning the site to the trolls, and giving them the satisfaction of that driving us off. That made sense to me, so I came back. I’m glad t see you here as well.
I agree with what you said about there being good and bad apples in any population.
The problem I see on this thread is too much black and white thinking. I see comments about illegals being drunks, violent, bums, etc. Well, they just described every white neighborhood I ever live in.
July 19th, 2007 at 12:04 pmAgain with the macho nonsensical ramblings about how I must be a moronic racist because I don’t want to live in Mexico.
Who said that? The voices you hear from deep beneath the earth?
What exactly do you think should be done about the 10s of millioins of people flooding in here?
We have laws. Enforce them. But the big money likes cheap labor and, since “money = speech,” they run the country.
Therefore, nothing will be done about the cheap labor that the big money wants. And so, the laws on the books prohibiting the employment of illegals go unenforced. Every once in a while, law enforcement busts a plant but not the owners, all to keep Joe Twelvepack stupid.
Looks like it worked on you.
July 19th, 2007 at 12:04 pm.
I still don’t see any thoughts on what should be done about illegal immigrants.
Are you people afraid of being labeled a racist?
cmon people give me an answer. What should be done?
July 19th, 2007 at 12:04 pmAgain with the macho nonsensical ramblings about how I must be a moronic racist because I don’t want to live in Mexico. texas. What exactly do you think should be done about the 10s of millioins of people flooding in here?
Comment by old hack — July 19, 2007 @ 12:00 pm
If an intelligent dialogue as to the complex issues relative to immigration is what you seek, why start by spewing clearly inflamitory and rascist comments?
July 19th, 2007 at 12:04 pmname one thing I said that was racist. One thing!
July 19th, 2007 at 12:07 pmIt’s pretty clear DeLay has been sharing that huffing bag of bug spray with you.
Comment by Wayne — July 19, 2007 @ 12:03 pm
Hateful illegal immigrants have no place in our society.
July 19th, 2007 at 12:07 pmtexan now you’re just being trivial and personaly attacking me. seems your argument must be weak.
As usual, when they have nothing to say they claim that me mocking their ignorance means that I must secretly fear their Einstein intellectual prowess.
Uh, … no? I just enjoy humiliating morons like you.
July 19th, 2007 at 12:07 pm.
CT_V1 sez:
Oh yes…in this thread alone, he asserted that the political right is a race, and that every woman between the ages of 40 and 55 suffer from bipolar disorder. He’s a veritable fountain of wisdom, this “old hack”…it’s not surprising you would rush to his defense.
I’m “intellectual” enough to point out the flaws in the ravings you neocon mouth-breathers call ‘arguments’…but that’s not saying a whole lot.
Next to you guys, pretty much all vertebrates would be considered “intellectuals” (as well as some of the more clever molluscs).
Not likely, Junior.
July 19th, 2007 at 12:07 pmI still don’t see any thoughts on what should be done about illegal immigrants.
That’s because you’re a moron.
July 19th, 2007 at 12:08 pm.
I don’t like living in redkneck white towns. I don’t like living in Black ghettos, I don’t like living in Mexican neighborhoods. I want to live in American neighborhoods which means DIVERSITY!
Comment by old hack
Are you people afraid of being labeled a racist? —ain’t it funny how your own words can be turnedaround on you? Are you speaking out of both sidesof your mouth, or are you really as dumb as you appear?
cmon people give me an answer. What should be done? —- You came here looking for answers? Sorry, just opinions.
Comment by old hack
July 19th, 2007 at 12:08 pmHateful illegal immigrants have no place in our society.
Comment by CT_V1
No hateful bigots like you, that advocate genocide, like you have done numerous times on this blog, have no place in society
July 19th, 2007 at 12:10 pmname one thing I said that was racist. One thing!
Comment by old hack
I don’t like living in redkneck white towns. I don’t like living in Black ghettos, I don’t like living in Mexican neighborhoods.
the ‘racist’ comment here would be that whites and mexicans live in towns and neighborhoods, respectively. And that blacks live in ‘ghettoes’ That’s racism.
July 19th, 2007 at 12:10 pmWhat exactly are you people arguing with me for?
do you believe in an open border?
please explain…
Comment by old hack
No, I don’t believe in a wide open border. Immigration should be legal. We should enforce the laws we already have on our books.
I’m arguing with you because you are blind on this issue. You think because someone wears a t-shirt it means something. You think because a mentally ill person smiles, they must not be ill, and therefore not entitled to treatment. You want o lie in some sort of “American” utopia, but apparently are willing to do nothing but b*tch about people who want to be part of that ideal. On and on and on…..
That makes you at best a bigot, and at worst a racist.
That’s what I’m arguing with you about. Now go ahead and complain…..
July 19th, 2007 at 12:10 pmStill just throwing insults. No answers. so weak.
July 19th, 2007 at 12:11 pmname one thing I said that was racist. One thing!
Comment by old hack
I don’t like living in redkneck white towns
Oh yeah, referring to whites as ‘rednecks’ ?? Racism…That’s TWO things.
July 19th, 2007 at 12:11 pmthe ‘racist’ comment here would be that whites and mexicans live in towns and neighborhoods, respectively. And that blacks live in ‘ghettoes’ That’s racism.
Comment by SGT Higgins
Spot on, Sarge.
Good luck with old hack! I better go get my stuff together. Have a great day!
July 19th, 2007 at 12:13 pmdamn you people like to twist my words don’t you.
I clearly was talking about how we should not be taking in people from other countrys and putting them on our welfare system.
wearing a t shirt that represents a take over of american soil is not somthing to scoff at.
If I wore a shirt in france that said “this is american soil” do you think they’d think kindly of me?
July 19th, 2007 at 12:13 pmSorry, Clinton and his triangulatin’ buddies do hold a lot of responsibility on this one; there’s always been “illegal” immigration to the U.S. from the south, but it’s gotten much worse as NAFTA has put millions of agricultural workers in Latin America out of work; heck, Mexicans are having trouble getting enough food because the price of corn flour has skyrocketed due to protected U.S. imports. Just one more reason I really don’t like Bill ‘n’ Hillary.
July 19th, 2007 at 12:13 pmGood luck with old hack! I better go get my stuff together. Have a great day!
Comment by Zooey
You do the same, Zoo.
July 19th, 2007 at 12:14 pmI’m gonna split soon and get some things done. I’ll let him self-destruct.
are you saying that black neighborhoods in the inner cities arent ghettos?
on the fourth of July in Kansas city 12 murders happend over night. a block party where 200 people were celebrating independence was attacked by a drive by fireing automatic weapons. Does that sound like a neighborhood to you or a ghetto?
July 19th, 2007 at 12:15 pmNo hateful bigots like you, that advocate genocide, like you have done numerous times on this blog, have no place in society
Comment by Wayne — July 19, 2007 @ 12:10 pm
Wayne, why do you hate America?
July 19th, 2007 at 12:15 pmdamn you people like to twist my words don’t you.
Comment by old hack
I never ‘twisted’ anything. I merely cut and pasted YOUR RACIST COMMENTS when you denied having made any. They’re your posts, go back and read ‘em.
July 19th, 2007 at 12:16 pmIf I wore a shirt in france that said “this is american soil†do you think they’d think kindly of me?
Comment by old hack — July 19, 2007 @ 12:13 pm
No but whereas much of the southwest lands where formerly under Mexican control this may be a dumb argument. Did the US ever have sovereignty over any of France?
July 19th, 2007 at 12:18 pmdamn you people think you’re so damn smart. You like to chastise me and call me a racist for stateing eyewitness accounts but yet you never have anything to rebuttle my ideas. you just call me a racist and move on like nothing Im saying has any prudence.
Just one of you tell me what we can do about this besides “enforce our laws, oh but The Man owns the law so.. Oh well”
cmon people Wake up. give me some food for thought and I’ll consider it. Don’t just label me a right racist moron or whatever slandering phrase you can think of… DEBATE ME
July 19th, 2007 at 12:18 pmComment by TripMaster Monkey — July 19, 2007 @ 12:07 pm
Mr. Tripping Surrender Monkey wants an all-open border country and as much distortion of America as possible by third-world scum.
Keep it up with the happy-talk arguments, lefty.
Oh, and don’t forget the usual LEFTY RAAAGE!!
July 19th, 2007 at 12:19 pmare you saying that black neighborhoods in the inner cities arent ghettos? —- Are white neighborhoods in inner cities ghettoes? Are Latino neighborhoods in inner cities ghettoes? Or just the black ones? Well, which is it, Racist?
a block party where 200 people were celebrating independence was attacked by a drive by fireing automatic weapons. —– A drive by, huh? So the car which contained the automatic weapon could have conceivably come from damn near anywhere.
Does that sound like a neighborhood to you or a ghetto? —- Sounds like racism….but then again, I’ve already pointed that out.
Comment by old hack
July 19th, 2007 at 12:20 pmold hack
They probably wouldn’t notice, because they wouldn’t care. People wear objectionable T-Shirts. Heck in Mexico you could probably get away with a “Remember the Alamo” T-shirt.
July 19th, 2007 at 12:20 pm
July 19th, 2007 at 12:21 pmPeople, let’s tighten-up the misuse of the “racist” accusations, shall we?
you twisted what i said. you made the point of making the issue my thoughts on bi polar disease instead of what my original point was which is that we cant afford to just take in anyone from other countries and put them on our welfare system because they have social diseases. There!
July 19th, 2007 at 12:21 pmOn July 2, Three white folk where shot to death by another white man in a military surplus store in rural NH. Does that sound like a neighborhood to you or a ghetto?
July 19th, 2007 at 12:22 pmBruce Gorton
I promise you.. if I wore a shirt that said “remember the alamo” in anywhere besides cancun I would get my throat slit.
July 19th, 2007 at 12:22 pmright racist moron —- if the foo shi*s.
DEBATE ME — there’s no challenge in that. All you do is spew racist comments, get called on them, and then want to conduct an honest debate despite the fact that you still want to hurl racist comments. There can’t be a debate when one of the debaters (you) has nothing to bring or offer that hasn’t been covered ad nauseum.
Comment by old hack
July 19th, 2007 at 12:24 pmyou twisted what i said. you made the point of making the issue my thoughts on bi polar disease instead of what my original point was which is that we cant afford to just take in anyone from other countries and put them on our welfare system because they have social diseases. There!
Comment by old hack — July 19, 2007 @ 12:21 pm
Sorry but you clearly stated that the individual in question was not crazy and in fact was smiling (as if that is any indication of anything). I don’t see you being attacked, I see you being asked to clarify staements, employ consistency of thought and defend your opinions. I belive that is what goes on here.
July 19th, 2007 at 12:24 pmme describing events that just happend on the fourth of july is racist? HOW!!!!!!!!!!!
god you people are insane!
I lived in KC in the ghetto. Gun shots everyday. an 18 year old kid got shot right in my back yard for selling crack on someone elses turf.
I suppose It would be racist to point out what race the kid and his killer were.
LAME!
July 19th, 2007 at 12:25 pm“People, let’s tighten-up the misuse of the “racist†accusations, shall we?
Comment by CT_V1 — July 19, 2007″
you had me at “third-world slop people and their cultures.”
July 19th, 2007 at 12:25 pmPeople, let’s tighten-up the misuse of the “racist†accusations, shall we?
Comment by CT_V1
What mis-use? Care to explain? point out a mis-use of the title ‘racist’ attributed to your buddy, hack.
July 19th, 2007 at 12:25 pmdbadass
which I have over and over.
July 19th, 2007 at 12:25 pmI remember watching a cooking show once with an immigrant cooking theme and at one point he looked, fixed his gaze firmly on the camera, and said, “Let’s face it folks, we’re going to all need to learn Spanish” and then just went on cooking.
I think that the genie is out of the bottle on this one. What I do NOT think is the answer is some kind extreme deportation or total amnesty (didn’t Reagan do that about 20 years ago? Because, if we do that again then one would think that it’ll be expected every 20 years or so!).
But, somehow, they need to be documented and recognized as this era’s group of immigrants who come here looking for a better life just like the Irish, Italians, Chinese, etc. etc.. They will bring the good aspects of their culture with them and pose challenges at the same time.
July 19th, 2007 at 12:27 pmWayne, why do you hate America?
Comment by CT_V1
You delusional bigot.
If I hated America, why would I have served in the military, been wounded 3 times for my country and have a son currently serving in Iraq?
Contrary to your delusions, patriotism is not blind obedience to corporate policies, hatred of someone because of race or religion, nor is it blindly following a President that has lied to his countrymen while shreading the Constitution.
Patriotism is supporting the Constitution. Patriotism is defending the Constitution. Patriotism is sheading your blood in defense of the Constitution.
The oath I swore to when I entered the military was :
“I, do solemnly swear, that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God.”
Far as I am concerned, though I no longer am not in the military, that oath I gave on my honor bindsme still. And proudly so.
July 19th, 2007 at 12:28 pmthis is rediculous. I havnt said anything remotely racist. But yet because I point out what race people are and the crimes they are commiting well.. I must be a racist. theres just no other explanation. hes just a racist that hates mexicans for being mexicans.
so retarded. I hate having to repeat myself.
You are the one that made Bi polar disease the issue NOT ME!
and you still havnt addressed what my real point was which is for the umteenth time. We cant afford to be the worlds Nurse!
July 19th, 2007 at 12:29 pmI lived in KC in the ghetto.
Comment by old hack
Are you black?? If not, then was it really a ‘black ghetto’ or was that just your perception?
July 19th, 2007 at 12:29 pmComment by margaret — July 19, 2007 @ 12:27 pm
Margaret, you’re not supposed to remind the right of Reagan’s amnesty. Otherwise you are clearly a thoughtful and wise individual
July 19th, 2007 at 12:31 pmI think that man just in two sentences trumped the moronic-ness of all the worst trolls put together.
You sure this wasn’t Bill O’?
July 19th, 2007 at 12:31 pmCT_V1 sez:
How exactly did you divine my views on immigration policy from the post you cited, CT? Please show your work.
When you fail to show how you could derive any meaningful conclusions regarding my views on immigration policy from the post you cited, proving that you just pulled it out of your ass, just remember: don’t try to put words in my mouth, Pee Wee. You’re not very good at it.
So which is it? happy-talk, or rage?
You’re not very good at much, are you?
July 19th, 2007 at 12:32 pmSo, WHEN does Delay’s TRIAL start.
Then, after being CONVICTED, he can pontificate from PRISON…
July 19th, 2007 at 12:32 pmold hack sez:
old hack said earlier:
No, OH, I’d say you were the one who made bipolar disorder the issue.
July 19th, 2007 at 12:33 pmMexicans are having trouble getting enough food because the price of corn flour has skyrocketed due to protected U.S. imports. Just one more reason I really don’t like Bill ‘n’ Hillary.
Meanwhile, back in reality, Clinton and Gingrich actually cooperated in dismantling those same American agricultural subsidies, but Bush re-instituted them in 2001.
Sorry, can’t blame this one on ol’ Bill.
July 19th, 2007 at 12:34 pm.
old hack sez:
Now I know what to get you for your birthday. ^_^
July 19th, 2007 at 12:35 pmI havnt said anything remotely racist. — referring to white and hispanic neighborhoods and black neighborhoods as ‘ghettoe’s’ is, in fact, RACIST
But yet because I point out what race people are and the crimes they are commiting well.. I must be a racist. —- If we’re talking about crime now, what’s the point of even mentioning the perp’s race? Oh wait, I know.
theres just no other explanation. hes just a racist that hates mexicans for being mexicans. — Your words AGAIN! What does it mean to ‘be Mexican’ ? That’s yet another racist comment…..way to go hack, you’re on a roll.
so retarded. — Yeah, but we stil love ya’s.
I hate having to repeat myself. — then don’t do it.
you still havnt addressed what my real point was which is for the umteenth time. We cant afford to be the worlds Nurse! —- Oh so sorry. Guess we lost all the ‘
world’s nurse’ talk in all your KC ghetto/drive by shooting/all women over 40 have bi-polar discussion. What happened, sidetrack yourself? Focus man, focus.
Comment by old hack
July 19th, 2007 at 12:36 pmComment by Wayne — July 19, 2007 @ 12:28 pm
Don’t even know why you responded to the jackass on that one, Wayne.
Once again, thank you for your service.
July 19th, 2007 at 12:37 pmSo which is it? happy-talk, or rage?
Comment by TripMaster Monkey — July 19, 2007 @ 12:32 pm
Mmmm…I made it clear that both radical elements were included. You’re not much of a reader, huh?
America hater. Lefty doctrine preacher. Surrender monkey.
What a fake intellectual.
July 19th, 2007 at 12:40 pm—————–
The Fruits of Feminism!
How many more babies can we kill!
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July 19th, 2007 at 12:41 pmComment by TripMaster Monkey — July 19, 2007 @ 12:35 pm
At what time should America sign itself off to Mexico, Mr. “Diversity”?
Certainly, there will be refreshments at closing time.
July 19th, 2007 at 12:42 pmBye Old Hack! Gotta suck, wanting to debate without having anything new or even interesting to bring to the discussion.
July 19th, 2007 at 12:44 pmComment by SGT Higgins — July 19, 2007 @ 12:25 pm
Everything. The leftinites don’t want to calm down to hear someone’s opposing viewpoint on the topic – a logical one at that. All of you want to get right down to abusing the “racist” word, as usual. (Hint: you’re not fooling anyone).
July 19th, 2007 at 12:46 pmEverything. — Hmmm I ask for specifics, and you respond with vagueness. Nice CT. and typical.
The leftinites don’t want to calm down to hear someone’s opposing viewpoint on the topic —- I for one like opposing viewpoints
a logical one at that.— no it wasn’t.
All of you want to get right down to abusing the “racist†word, — again, using specific information (c&p if you need to) and point out where the term is ‘abused’.
(Hint: you’re not fooling anyone). — Hint: Neither are you.
Comment by CT_V1
July 19th, 2007 at 12:54 pmfor the record
I am not a racist
my favorite political activist is Cornell West
my favorite music is roots and folk ledbelly, skip james, son house
my guess would be that hardly any of you subscribe to these sources of culture.
now. on this mexican issue. If it were little green men doing jobs for less money, feeding off our health and welfare system, and over populating our country I would be saying the same thing verbatum. I never once said a single word about Mexico’s culture. I am only stateing the facts of what we are up against.
and you say “well its the corperations and until the governemtn does the right thing theres nothing we can do about it”
to that I say bullshit. Is this Your country or is it your governments country?
I am not going to sit and wait for the corperates to do the right thing. I am going to stand firmly against this front that is happening daily right befor my eyes and I will never waiver no matter what terminology you use to slanderize my perspective.
with that Im off to san frnacisco to entertain some folks and enjoy DIVERSITY!
a bid you good day.
July 19th, 2007 at 1:07 pm“heck, Mexicans are having trouble getting enough food because the price of corn flour has skyrocketed due to protected U.S. imports.”
Comment by NoOneYouKnow — July 19, 2007 @ 12:13 pm
Are you sure about that?
My understanding is that the price and availability of tortillas has been directly affected (negatively) in Mexico by the demand for corn due to the increased use of ethanol. I appreciate efforts to come up with alternative fuels but perhaps we should search past using our food sources for energy? But, then again, that’s another topic.
July 19th, 2007 at 1:09 pmDelay’s right, with caveat that there is an 18 year lag time.
July 19th, 2007 at 1:09 pmDon’t even know why you responded to the jackass on that one, Wayne.
Once again, thank you for your service.
Comment by TripMaster Monkey
The response was for all the jack-booted neocon trolls that think patriotism is supporting the constitution destroying chimp in office, or the bigot that sickly think their bigotry is patriotic.
It needs to be said every time these delusional f*ckwits try to claim their bigotry is patriotic
July 19th, 2007 at 1:11 pmmy favorite music is roots and folk ledbelly, skip james, son house
my guess would be that hardly any of you subscribe to these sources of culture.
Comment by old hack — July 19, 2007 @ 1:07 pm
Yeah, great stuff…
July 19th, 2007 at 1:21 pmHey, hey now. Wait one second.
Where’s St.Daryll to inform us that God wants us to ‘hate them thar immigrants’?
I mean a thread that has a rich NeoCon, super family values (c)hristian, who addresses Republican Students about abortion and illegal immigrants. C’mon! That’s the Daryll trifecta, right there!
Oh yeah, I forgot. This thread never mentions man on man butt luv!
July 19th, 2007 at 1:42 pmMy bad.
Think about it? Well, I thought about it, and I believe what old indictment Tom is saying is, “We would have 40 million poor and/or black slaves to do those jobs.”
CT_V1 it’s ok, we know you can’t help it…sitting in your own excrement day in and day out would rot anyones mind.
July 19th, 2007 at 1:59 pmComment by Buch Fush — July 19, 2007 @ 1:59 pm
Aight. You cool, man. You cool.
July 19th, 2007 at 2:12 pmDid he seriously just suggest that instead of women getting abortions they should carry the pregnancy to term and force the child to become a low-wage worker so we don’t have illegal immigrants taking those jobs?
Sometimes those conservatives really just do not think their plans through. He probably just thought “wait there are x million illegal immigrants and y million abortions… whoa! we could have kicked out the Mexicans!”
July 19th, 2007 at 5:23 pmHow could this maniac ever be elected as a dog catcher, much less a Representitive? This proves Harlan Ellison’s statement. He said that the two most common elements in the universe are hydrogen and stupidity. Unfortunately Mr. DeLay has to prove that with reckless abandon, once more.
July 19th, 2007 at 5:29 pmI have one question for all of you, did it ever occur to you that there are illegal immigrants from other countries?
Affluent, educated, multi lingual, hard working etc, etc. from “rich” countries in the EU or otherwise, like Germany, Switzerland, France, Sweden, Finland, England bla bla bla, that try to do everything the right way, apply with the right forms, have sponsors and degrees…… follow the rules while they are still legal….. their applications take years to surface from the piles or boxes they are stored in, they become illegal…….. what is one supposed to do?
One has built a life, friends, work, should they just stop working because once becoming “ILLEGAL” you’re not supposed to…. or do they keep working illegaly, pay their taxes and spend their money here….
Everyone always only talks about Mexico…. and frankly, I don’t believe a moment that the jobs illegal farmworkers/hotel workers/ hospitality workers etc. do would be occupied by Americans….
Anyone of you ever plucked strawberries for 8 hours in a row…..
Just thought I’d ask
July 19th, 2007 at 7:25 pmWhile he wasn’t looking, did someone abort Tom Delay’s brain?
July 20th, 2007 at 1:32 amSo, basically he’s saying we don’t have enough poor people here to do the crap jobs. No wonder the GOP is trying so hard to drive us working folks into the dirt.
July 20th, 2007 at 1:32 pm