Gonzales has no ‘regret’ over pressuring a sick Ashcroft.
By on Jul 19th, 2007 at 4:56 pm
Gonzales has no ‘regret’ over pressuring a sick Ashcroft.
In a closed-door meeting today, the House Intelligence Committee questioned Attorney General Alberto Gonzales about the “reasons behind Gonzales’ controversial 2004 visit to the hospital bedside of John Ashcroft, reportedly to pressure the ailing attorney general to endorse Bush’s surveillance program.” According to chairman Silvestre Reyes (D-TV), “Gonzales did not express any regret.”
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I don’t care if he regrets anything. I want to know if he understands the legal issues sorrounding this and so many other FUBARS he’s had his bushsoaked hand in.
July 19th, 2007 at 4:59 pmPlease impeach? I beg of you! Anyone? No? ok.
July 19th, 2007 at 5:00 pmI’m not surprised.
I imagine the “regret” part will come when he’s doing 20 to life.
July 19th, 2007 at 5:01 pmSociopath.
July 19th, 2007 at 5:01 pm“while Bush’s job approval rating has stabilized, opinion of the work Congress is doing continues to plummet. The Zogby poll shows just 14% give Congress positive marks, while 83% give it negative marks.â€
July 19th, 2007 at 5:01 pmOf course he has no regret.
He has no soul. Makes things like pressuring people in intensive care to sign off on illegal spying programs that much easier.
July 19th, 2007 at 5:02 pmWhy would a man with no conscience have regret?
July 19th, 2007 at 5:03 pmIt’s understandable that Fredo has no regrets about condoning torture, finding the Geneva Conventions quaint, or committing felonies within the justice department.
One must have a soul to feel regret.
July 19th, 2007 at 5:03 pmgood, we will have no regret seeing gonzo rotting to death in a jail cell when its all said and done.
July 19th, 2007 at 5:04 pmargh! Loonie!
You beat me too it!
:)
July 19th, 2007 at 5:04 pmWow. New Troll Name “Jim” comes in from right field with a wildly off-topic post, twice removed.
July 19th, 2007 at 5:04 pm“Wow. New Troll Name “Jim†comes in from right field with a wildly off-topic post, twice removed.”
Start impeachment hearings and watch those poll numbers for congress soar!
July 19th, 2007 at 5:06 pmNo regret. No remorse. No Pity. That about sums up this Administration. It’s what they do. It’s ALL they do.
July 19th, 2007 at 5:06 pm…
July 19th, 2007 at 5:07 pmwhere’s TV?
…
Silvestre Reyes (D-TV)
How does one come to represent the great state of Television?
July 19th, 2007 at 5:08 pmBushCo; anti-christ administration, expect nothing less.
July 19th, 2007 at 5:08 pm“while Bush’s job approval rating has stabilized, opinion of the work Congress is doing continues to plummet. The Zogby poll shows just 14% give Congress positive marks, while 83% give it negative marks.â€
Comment by Jim — July 19, 2007 @ 5:01 pm
“Stabilized” nice word, any info on the percentage?
And Congress are getting what is their due. Folding isn’t appreciated by the electorate. They were elected for a purpose (”Get us out of Iraq – double quick!”) and their numbers wil rise as soon as they heed what the electorate, “The People” (you know, You… their boss) have decided is to be done.
If they wont – well wait for the next elections. It looks as if they haven’t yet understood how seriously determined Americans are to change the ways of Washington.
July 19th, 2007 at 5:12 pmClinton did it too.
July 19th, 2007 at 5:13 pmHold yer horses, there, Mr. “President”.
I haven’t sworn you in yet!
July 19th, 2007 at 5:16 pmPeople who advocate for the torture of human beings aren’t likely to regret too much of anything.
July 19th, 2007 at 5:17 pm“‘Stabilized’ nice word, any info on the percentage?”
It went from 35% in March to 33% in May to 34% in July, according to Zogby. That’s the best they can muster as “good news” for Bush. Pathetic.
July 19th, 2007 at 5:17 pmAdvocate torture? What about all those ticking bombs? Just look at the Threat level!
Don’t you watch 24!
July 19th, 2007 at 5:18 pmThe stalling has to end already! Why hasn’t Harriet Miers been charged with INHERENT CONTEMPT yet? She ignored a Congressional subpoena last week. If you and I did that we’d be in jail.
INHERENT CONTEMPT is a little used, little known Constitutionally approved tool the Congress has. When charged she will be handcuffed and dragged to the House of Representatives by the Capitol Hill Police and Sergeant at Arms. SHE WILL THEN GO ON TRIAL IMMEDIATELY BEFORE THE HOUSE. Depending on what she says or refuses to say she can be IMPRISONED IMMEDIATELY until the end of the Congress term expires.
Ordinary Criminal Contempt is a Dead End. The case will be handed to the US Attorney in DC who is a Bush lackey. He will most likely decline to follow through. This is the course Bush, Rove etc. want Democrats to take. The Dems. would be fools and cowards to take this route.
This is urgent. Here’s the phone number of all the Democrats on the Judiciary Committee. Call all of them even if they’re not your reps. Be relentless!
John Conyers: 1-202-225-5126
July 19th, 2007 at 5:19 pmHoward L. Berman (D) California 1-202-225-3196
Rick Boucher (D) Virginia 1-202-225-3861
Jerrold Nadler (D) New York 1-202-225-5635
Robert C. Scott (D) Virginia 1-202-225-8351
Melvin Watt (D) North Carolina 1-202-225-1510
Zoe Lofgren (D) California 1-202-225-3072
Sheila Jackson Lee (D) Texas 1-202-225-3816
Maxine Waters (D) California 1-202-225-2201
Martin Meehan (D) Massachusetts 1-202-225-3411
Bill Delahunt (D) Massachusetts 1-202-225-3111
Robert Wexler (D) Florida 1-202-225-3001
Loretta Sánchez, (D) California 1-202-225-6676
Steve Cohen (D) Tennessee 1-202-225-3265
Hank Johnson (D) Georgia 1-202-225-1605
Luis Gutierrez (D) Illinois 1-202-225-8203
Brad Sherman (D) California 1-202-225-5911
Anthony Weiner (D) New York 1-202-225-6616
Adam Schiff (D) California 1-202-225-4176
Artur Davis (D) Alabama 1-202-225-2665
Debby Wasserman Schultz (D) Florida 1-202-225-7931
Keith Ellison (D) Minnesota 1-202-225-4755
Tammy Baldwin (D) Wisconsin 1-202-225-2906
“They were elected for a purpose (â€Get us out of Iraq – double quick!â€) and their numbers wil rise as soon as they heed what the electorate, “The People†(you know, You… their boss) have decided is to be done.”
Kind hard to do when you only have 49 votes (with Johnson still out and Lieberman being buddy-buddy with the neo-cons) in the Senate, and Republicans are making you try for 60 votes by blocking anything that resembles progress (and then whining that Democrats are the obstructionists).
July 19th, 2007 at 5:20 pmGonzales knew back then what had to be done to save this country and that sometimes you’d have to get ugly and go to the dark side. He’s got nothing to regret.
July 19th, 2007 at 5:21 pmIts amazing how this Administration keeps consistently topping itself. Stupidity is heaped upon stupidity and then gets buttressed by arrogance. My sincerest hope is that Congress finally realises that its time to Impeach Bush and Cheney and Save the Constitution!
July 19th, 2007 at 5:22 pmDo you think TP is going to post up the poll showing the Democratic congress only getting 14% positive marks?
July 19th, 2007 at 5:22 pmDow hits 14000!
The Bush boom continues.
July 19th, 2007 at 5:23 pmtrekkie, I know, but did they really have to fold over the war timelines in spring. They don’t have the votes for override a veto, agreed. But they needn’t have passed the bill without a timeline. That is not what the electorate expected from them.
July 19th, 2007 at 5:24 pm#26… I just made my five calls. Only took five minutes.
July 19th, 2007 at 5:25 pmOf course no regret. These people believe that they can create their own reality. After believing in that, nothing is sacred.
July 19th, 2007 at 5:26 pmBush has less to do with the dow than he did with Katrina
July 19th, 2007 at 5:26 pmBush controls the dow less than he controls the drinking habits of his daughters
July 19th, 2007 at 5:27 pmBush has less influence on the Dow than he does on leaders of other nations.
July 19th, 2007 at 5:27 pmDow hits 14000!
The Bush boom continues.
Comment by Jim — July 19, 2007 @ 5:23 pm
Go look after your investments, your shares need you. No need to hang out with us menials here.
July 19th, 2007 at 5:27 pm“#26… I just made my five calls. Only took five minutes.”
You better get on the horn. If the Democratic congress dips any lower in approval rating, there will be calls for the impeachment of Nancy Pelosi and Harry “Trump” Reid.
July 19th, 2007 at 5:27 pmThe Bush boom continues.
Comment by Jim
Please find another way to express IEDs. I am sure the troops would thank you.
July 19th, 2007 at 5:28 pmBush has greater control of where Barry Bonds will hit #756 than he does on the Dow.
Anyone else?
July 19th, 2007 at 5:28 pmSilvestre Reyes (D-TV), When did Transylvania become a state?
July 19th, 2007 at 5:28 pm“Bush has less influence on the Dow than he does on leaders of other nations.”
The stock market has skyrocketed after his tax cut on dividends and marginal rates!
July 19th, 2007 at 5:29 pmGonzales had his regret surgically removed. Tragically, they had to go in through his testicles and now there isn’t much left.
And so the US Justice Dept. has become an open joke. Corruption has consequences.
July 19th, 2007 at 5:29 pm.
Bush has greater influence on Cheney than he has on the DOW
July 19th, 2007 at 5:29 pm“I am sure the troops would thank you.”
Do you have any friends or relatives serving in Iraq?
July 19th, 2007 at 5:30 pm“Go look after your investments, your shares need you. No need to hang out with us menials here.”
Most Americans have investments of some kind in the stockmarket. They are feeling the positive effects of the Bush boom right now.
July 19th, 2007 at 5:31 pmWho is this simple-minded “Jim” Troll? Is it C**T V1?
This “Bush boom” consists of the stock market rising approximately 15% in the seven years of the Bush presidency — as opposed to 250% during the Clinton years.
It also consists of a rise in poverty, a decline in personal savings, a decline in real wages and buying power for the middle class, and record federal deficits and debt.
Heckuva job, there, Bushie!
NOW can we get back to the thread? How can Abu G regret doing exactly as he was told? He’s a good Stepford AG.
July 19th, 2007 at 5:31 pmDo you have any friends or relatives serving in Iraq?
Comment by Jim — July 19, 2007 @ 5:30 pm
Are you there?
July 19th, 2007 at 5:31 pmYay!
Found another drug store with codeine sulphate cough syrup. Downed two bottles and now I’m soooo relaxed. Lovely.
Looks like the couple of weeks without the stuff took away the tolerance. Sweet!
July 19th, 2007 at 5:31 pmDoes anybody think Reid or Pelosi should resign for allowing the congress to drop to 14% approval?
July 19th, 2007 at 5:32 pmI won’t regret his death, because mortality, it appears, is the only thing that actually will hold these guys responsible.
July 19th, 2007 at 5:32 pmDo you have any friends or relatives serving in Iraq?
Comment by Jim
And if I said yes then you would believe me? A person typing on a computer using an alias? You trolls really are dupes.
July 19th, 2007 at 5:32 pm“Are you there?”
I have a cousin in Iraq. Do you know anybody there?
July 19th, 2007 at 5:33 pmIf nobody here has any friends or relatives serving in Iraq, you really have no say what we are doing there, have you?
July 19th, 2007 at 5:33 pmAh… so sweet.
July 19th, 2007 at 5:34 pmThe Bush boom continues.
Comment by Jim
And the dollar is now worth .72 Euro. The Dow HAS to go up because the value of the dollar is sinking like a frickin rock. I think the Canadian dollar is even up to US$0.96.
July 19th, 2007 at 5:34 pmI have a cousin in Iraq. Do you know anybody there?
Comment by Jim — July 19, 2007 @ 5:33 pm
That’s wonderful, “Jim”. But since you’re a fictional character, it’s safe to say that your cousin is also a fictional character.
Or to put it more bluntly, since you’re willing to lie about your identity (i. e. keep switching screen names) then it’s safe to assume that you lied about having a cousin in Iraq as well.
July 19th, 2007 at 5:35 pmI have a cousin in Iraq. Do you know anybody there?
Comment by Jim — July 19, 2007 @ 5:33 pm
God bless your cousin, may he stay safe. And may your uncle and aunt get their child back healthy and safe by Spring ‘08 along with the other troops.
July 19th, 2007 at 5:35 pmThe WHOLE reason congress’ approval is so low is because the OBSTRUCTIONISTS REPUKES are involved…. congress would have a 80% approval without all the chickenhawks…. BER-GOCK!
July 19th, 2007 at 5:35 pmThe stock market has skyrocketed after his tax cut on dividends and marginal rates!
Comment by Jim
Sure. If you own stock – your good to go. But that doesn’t represent lots of concerns americans have: health care, retirement, honest govt (I almost threw up on that one), education, global warming, pollution, etc…The fact that bush was squatting in our WH during that time period does not mean he had anything to do with it. And anyway, if he did, the rising stock market almost certainly means more money for those who already HAVE IT. It doesn’t help the VAST MAJORITY of Americans address their real concerns. Bush is an idiot. He got lost leaving a phone booth the other day. All hat and no cattle. Come on – just because he has lost the war, the reputation of USA, 1/2 trillion dollars, lives of our brave soldiers, any credibility – at least he made you a few bucks, and thats all that matters, no?
July 19th, 2007 at 5:35 pmComment by CoughSyrupComa — July 19, 2007 @ 5:31 pm
So which one of you trolls is a junkie, too?
July 19th, 2007 at 5:36 pmIf you don’t stop jackin’ me, I’m gonna hold my breath until I turn Blue–wait a sec–don’t want to turn blue. Redder–that’s it–I’ll turn redder!!!
July 19th, 2007 at 5:37 pmThere’s no-one here in the service,right? So I can be insulting all I want without offending people and getting stomped for being a chickhawk coward, right?
July 19th, 2007 at 5:38 pm#62 – Tom: don’t even play on that field. The stock market has hardly “skyrocketed”. Its growth since 2000 has been anemic, especially considering the growth it saw during the 90s — a period which coincidentally also saw rising incomes, an expansion of the middle class and a decline in poverty.
July 19th, 2007 at 5:38 pmthese trolls can’t be so dumb as to believe that Congress has low poll numbers for ANY reason other than the majority of Americans want the House to IMPEACH THE PRESIDENT and ALL his creepy employees! Those poll numbers only reflect FRUSTRATION with the WH, DOJ and RNC STOMEWALLING and blocking the real investigation that needs to get underway!
July 19th, 2007 at 5:39 pmIf you don’t realize that, you are dumber than I thought. They are building their case, day by day, hearing by hearing proving this administration has taken OUR govt. and turned it into a tool for their own gain. They all should be in prison, their supporters are lemmings one and all.
Jim,
Are you really that stupid, or just pretending to be get a rise?
Do any of the neocons who lied to get us into Bush’s War have any friends or relatives serving in Iraq? Did that stop them for killing several thousand soldiers because of Boy George’s hard-on for Sadam?
I have several friends in Iraq. One friend, Martin, said on his first tour he killed 24 Iraqis. 18 of them were women or children. You think he isn’t more than a little f*cked up about that?
You twisted f*cks that support Bush and his War are disgusting piles of dog puke. Party and Dear Leader before troops and before country.
STFU punk.
July 19th, 2007 at 5:40 pmAnd I’ve turned myself into a ogre. Which is better than the clown I used to be!
July 19th, 2007 at 5:42 pmMy son has served 3 tours in Iraq.
July 19th, 2007 at 5:42 pmCongressional RePukes are the real cowards of America. They are afraid to anger their base: big oil, the military industrial complex, corporate farmers (who now only grow corn it seems under a repuke designed ethanol program), and the drug companies, and the drug lords of Columbia.
Comment by Justice — July 19, 2007 @ 5:39 pm
You’re absolutely right there. I forgot impeachment. Hell, even republican experts are for impeachment. Why take it from the table. It should be ongoing.
July 19th, 2007 at 5:42 pmOf course Herr Ashcroft has no regret over pressuring Ashcroft while he was sick. For him to have regret, he must first have a soul….
July 19th, 2007 at 5:43 pm#26…I strongly ask my TP friends to read my post #26 and make a few calls. It is time well spent. Then, if you really want to, you can resume arguing with trolls. But please make a few calls.
July 19th, 2007 at 5:43 pmYes! And I think Leahy and Conyers should resign for wasting time and money.
Comment by Mr. President
I agree. They should be debating about brain dead women and having the Prez fly back from vaca on the taxpayers bill just to showboat in DC. those were the days………(dreamy eyed).
July 19th, 2007 at 5:43 pm—-
According to chairman Silvestre Reyes (D-TV), “Gonzales did not express any regret.â€
—-
Of course not. He’s a sociopath.
- Tom
July 19th, 2007 at 5:45 pmErr, Herr Gonzales….that’s what I get for multitasking.
July 19th, 2007 at 5:46 pmAnything to UNDERMINE the Constitution, Gonzo!
July 19th, 2007 at 5:47 pmOh, Oh here we go! the “Big Oil” conspiracy! Right!
Like Cheney was meeting with “big Oil” execs before the war. Yeah, we believe that one.
oooooooOOOOooooOOOOooo the military industrial complex!!!
What’s wrong with industry, commie? Huh? Some people get to sit on the sidelines and light their cigars with $3,000 per hour whores and others have to fight.
That’s America! The way Jesus wanted it!
(i got to go. they need me at the Quick Lube for an extra shift.)
July 19th, 2007 at 5:47 pmThis little perverted troll has no moral compass beyond what helps George W. Bush.
-GSD
July 19th, 2007 at 5:48 pmIf nobody here has any friends or relatives serving in Iraq, you really have no say what we are doing there, have you?
Comment by Jim
That’s not even a decent troll. Try again. I know you can do better.
July 19th, 2007 at 5:48 pmIf you are implying that Jim is really Mr. President, you’re wrong.
WROooooooOOOOOooooOOOOOooooOOOOoooOOOoong!!!!!!!!!
July 19th, 2007 at 5:51 pmThat’s not even a decent troll. Try again. I know you can do better.
Comment by Candyce — July 19, 2007 @ 5:48 pm
I agree, Candyce. I think C**T V1 ought to trash this “Jim” prototype and go back to the drawing board. Start from scratch.
Or better yet, maybe he should just go scratch.
July 19th, 2007 at 5:51 pmI know you can do better.
Comment by Candyce
For some reason, I don’t think he can.
July 19th, 2007 at 5:52 pmI’m so sick of these idiots here who have no concept of the true consequences of this administration. My son will not serve another tour in Iraq!
July 19th, 2007 at 5:53 pmYOU troll idiots need to read history. You need to get beyond the talk-radio, FOX and the anticipation of finding someone here who agrees with your ludicrous take on the world. Go ask Mommy for attention.
#62 – Tom: don’t even play on that field. The stock market has hardly “skyrocketedâ€. Its growth since 2000 has been anemic, especially considering the growth it saw during the 90s — a period which coincidentally also saw rising incomes, an expansion of the middle class and a decline in poverty.
Comment by mikey r
We could discuss the many, many variables involved with regard to the stock market (or any other financial instrument). The growth throught the ninetys had much to do with the dot.com bandwagon. As with anything which goes up, it came back down. Again lots of variables were in the mix, so to highlight, say rising incomes, you would need to be specific on whose incomes were rising. Certainly the top classes benefitted. Most on the bottom tiers did not fare so well. You speak to poverty. How do you define poverty? Your thesis is far to broad and unspecific to be helpful. If you made money – you are happy and Bush is doing a fine job. If you did not benefit much by the stock market or rising wages, you would not agree that bush is doing a good job. It’s really simple. Just like bush – very simple. Anyway, I’m going into my 27th year as a bank officer – dealing with IPO’s and international offerings – so what would I know, huh?
July 19th, 2007 at 5:54 pmNone of these experience or express remorse. You can’t be a good ‘authoritarian’ and express or feel regret or remorse. They are all good little soldiers and follow mindlessly and without question.
July 19th, 2007 at 5:55 pmIt’s late over here and I’m tired. So, off to bed.
Leftcoast, take good care of your son. This nightmare has to stop.
July 19th, 2007 at 5:58 pmIf nobody here has any friends or relatives serving in Iraq, you really have no say what we are doing there, have you?
Comment by Jim
How about my fellow US citizens (And many ‘illegal’ citizens too), my money, my country’s world standing, my reduced security, my lost Constitution, just as starters.
Grow up some time, see about that terminal case of acne and get out of mom’s basement, OK? Or quit playing in the big people’s backyard, ya can’t handle it!
July 19th, 2007 at 6:00 pmIt has come to the point where fully 90% of all postings here are from a handful of trolls (3-5) each using a multitude of names which they change at will using Megaphone Software to mask their PI address.
TP definitely knows of it, as you really can’t miss it – and therefore clearly condones the destruction of this forum for truthseeking.
Their actions (or lack thereof) leave little room for alternate interpretation.
July 19th, 2007 at 6:01 pmIt’s his mom’s basement! Mr. Pre…I mean Jim…can stay if he wants!
July 19th, 2007 at 6:02 pmIt’s late over here and I’m tired. So, off to bed.
Leftcoast, take good care of your son. This nightmare has to stop.
Comment by doro
Thanks and God bless.
July 19th, 2007 at 6:02 pmace, they are pimples on the ass of lady liberty. Farts in the wind. offensive but lacking of any substance.
July 19th, 2007 at 6:04 pmsome are even funny but they hold up an argument as well as paper holds up to fire.
July 19th, 2007 at 6:05 pmIf nobody here has any friends or relatives serving in Iraq, you really have no say what we are doing there, have you?
Comment by Jim
If we had no friends or relatives in the gas chambers in Germany, or in the city of New Orleans during Hurricane Katrina, do you honestly believe that every American citizen “has no say” in how we respond to those who are being left behind to die?
Let me guess…you define yourself as “Republican” or “Ditto-Head.”
Have you ever actually listened to any of the speeches given by John F. Kennedy?
I didn’t think so.
July 19th, 2007 at 6:05 pmI didn’t think so.
Comment by ace
Hey. Don’t think Mr. Pre…I mean Jim, asked that right off the bat cus he doesn’t want to get stomped again for insulting soldiers.
They just told him at the front office that if he turns in another sheet with him insulting soldiers, they’ll stomp him.
So, don’t jump to that conclusion.
you ISLAMO-EARTHFIRSTIST-LENNONIST-METHODIST-PISSED-GUY
July 19th, 2007 at 6:13 pmTom, I define poverty by the federal government’s guidelines, and the poverty rate in this country declined every year Bill Clinton was in office — from 15.4% under Bush I to 11.3% when eh handed the baton to Bush II. It has since risen every year, except for 2005, I believe, when it stayed the same.
Does that analysis work for you?
In terms of incomes, again, I rely not on personal or anecdotal evidence as so many right-wingers love to do, I rely on statistics from the federal government — the Census Bureau, for instance, or HHS. Those stats show that on average, middle class incomes rose during the 90s and, adjusted for inflation, they have retreated over the last six years.
As far as the stock market performance goes, of course there are many variables. But if simple-minded trolls are going to claim there is some “boom” because the stock market has finally reached 14,000, then simple analyses are the only thing that will have any impact on their thinking. Based on sheer numbers, the stock market rose over 250% in the 90s, and has risen less than 20% since. Doesn’t sound like a boom to me.
July 19th, 2007 at 6:13 pm#95 Let me guess…you define yourself as “Republican†or “Ditto-Head.†Ace
And don’t forget that Bush/Cheney04 bumper sticker he put on mom’s pickup bumper or that he is addicted to Roid-rage ‘pro’ wrestling where they dope up their wife and 7 year old child before offing them, or his (semi)erection he gets whenever Dubya in his codpiece is on the tv.
Ya, we have him pretty well pegged, for sure!
July 19th, 2007 at 6:15 pmOf course not. To feel an emotion like regret, one must have a conscience, and realize they’ve done something wrong, and be able to admit it.
July 19th, 2007 at 6:42 pmStrike 3, gonzo, you’re out!
TRAITORS like Gonzales NEVER regret their TREASON.
Until just before they realize as they pass on that they are going to be with Master Satan…
Treasonously yours from the pits of hell (due to Iran/Contra TREASON),
Traitor Ronnie and my Master Satan
July 19th, 2007 at 6:48 pmNo sadistic misanthrope ever does, Gonzo!
July 19th, 2007 at 6:48 pmBut it certainly is illustrative of precisely how important the Patriot Act was to their “secret agenda”, isn’t it? To track down a poor man in a hospital room and attempt to coerce him into singing something he’s stated he didn’t agree with….now that’s getting pretty damn desperate if you ask me.
July 19th, 2007 at 6:49 pmThis “piece” of the intricate (well perhaps not so intricate since most americans are figuring it out now) puzzle was the facilitating factor to bringing their demented neofascist agenda into play by effectively shutting down all dissent. They knew that whistleblowers would eventually sing and sooner or later people would begin to figure things out….so what do they next do? They hack the voting machines to effectively squelch the only avenue of “voice” the people have, thereby effectively dissolving the voice of the people.
The pretext for the enactment of the Patriot Act (which was hatched, BTW, by the PNAC well in advance of 911) had to be 911 or the people would have said WTF??
Without 911, none of this could have taken place. That’s why the connection between Saddam and 911 was parroted by everyone in the Bush Cabal ad nauseum…..
They used the anger fueled by 911 to enter Iraq. Connect those dots. They’re all out there and, with each passing day, those dots are beginning to beam brighter and brighter. Even some who are not the sharpest knives in the drawer are finally “getting it”. This tells me that the neofascists are getting very desperate; ergo, talk of Iran which is precisely the same as what we heard in the run up to Iraq.
Be not fooled, people. Trust in your gut. Human beings are hardwired for Truth – we know that. It’s when ulterior motives like greed & power get into the mix that we compromise that hard wiring for the obvious payoff. Have you sold your soul to the demons? Your gut will tell you the answer whether you desire to hear it or not.
July 19th, 2007 at 6:56 pmBe not fooled, people. Trust in your gut. Human beings are hardwired for Truth – we know that. It’s when ulterior motives like greed & power get into the mix that we compromise that hard wiring for the obvious payoff. Have you sold your soul to the demons? Your gut will tell you the answer whether you desire to hear it or not.
Comment by veritas
Awesome!
July 19th, 2007 at 7:13 pm“Bush has less influence on the Dow than he does on leaders of other nations.â€
The stock market has skyrocketed after his tax cut on dividends and marginal rates!
Comment by Jim — July 19, 2007 @ 5:29 pm
Why the five year delay in the stock market surge? Could it have anything with two international corporations, each having the majority of their business based overseas enjoying surging profits because of the plunge of the dollar?
July 19th, 2007 at 7:16 pmI have 65% of my investments based on overseas and Canadian markets and have an annual rate of return of 28%.
In France, Coca Cola costs more than vintage wine. Not because it was produced in the United States, but because it is produced using sugar from nations that do not have a sugar subsity that comes from the pockets of US citizens.
Why hasn’t Harriet Miers been charged with INHERENT CONTEMPT yet? She ignored a Congressional subpoena last week. If you and I did that we’d be in jail.
INHERENT CONTEMPT is a little used, little known Constitutionally approved tool of the Congress. When charged she will be handcuffed and dragged to the House of Representatives by the Capitol Hill Police and Sergeant at Arms. SHE WILL THEN GO ON TRIAL IMMEDIATELY BEFORE THE HOUSE. Depending on what she says or refuses to say she can be IMPRISONED IMMEDIATELY until the end of the Congress term expires.
Ordinary Criminal Contempt is a Dead End. The case will be handed to the US Attorney in DC who is a Bush lackey. He will most likely decline to follow through. This is the course Bush, Rove etc. want Democrats to take. The Dems. would be fools and cowards to take this route.
This is urgent. Here’s the phone number of all the Democrats on the Judiciary Committee. Call all of them even if they’re not your reps. Be relentless!
John Conyers: 1-202-225-5126
July 19th, 2007 at 7:20 pmHoward L. Berman (D) California 1-202-225-3196
Rick Boucher (D) Virginia 1-202-225-3861
Jerrold Nadler (D) New York 1-202-225-5635
Robert C. Scott (D) Virginia 1-202-225-8351
Melvin Watt (D) North Carolina 1-202-225-1510
Zoe Lofgren (D) California 1-202-225-3072
Sheila Jackson Lee (D) Texas 1-202-225-3816
Maxine Waters (D) California 1-202-225-2201
Martin Meehan (D) Massachusetts 1-202-225-3411
Bill Delahunt (D) Massachusetts 1-202-225-3111
Robert Wexler (D) Florida 1-202-225-3001
Loretta Sánchez, (D) California 1-202-225-6676
Steve Cohen (D) Tennessee 1-202-225-3265
Hank Johnson (D) Georgia 1-202-225-1605
Luis Gutierrez (D) Illinois 1-202-225-8203
Brad Sherman (D) California 1-202-225-5911
Anthony Weiner (D) New York 1-202-225-6616
Adam Schiff (D) California 1-202-225-4176
Artur Davis (D) Alabama 1-202-225-2665
Debby Wasserman Schultz (D) Florida 1-202-225-7931
Keith Ellison (D) Minnesota 1-202-225-4755
Tammy Baldwin (D) Wisconsin 1-202-225-2906
Ashcroft was barely conscious and under medication. It is amazing that he understood what he was being asked to do. The moral and legal implications go way beyond Gonzos lack of conscience. No one expects Gonzo to have a conscience. Major pieces of legislation should not be signed by officials who are blitzed out with pain medication. That’s why there’s a transfer of power in those situations. Maybe Ashcroft’s real objection was that he knew that he was in no shape to make such a decision.
Remember, Gonzo also believes in confessions obtained by torture.
July 19th, 2007 at 7:20 pmFirst you have to have compasion, morals, ethics to show regret, and Gonzo has none of those qualities, so he doesn’t have a problem torturing, murdering, stealing, lieing, enabling criminal activity, etc. He is a perfect fit for the Repukian Mafia.
July 19th, 2007 at 7:38 pmSo, please tell me why this was a CLOSED DOOR session? Congress needs to interview everyone in the light of day and under oath. No more closed sessions.
And of course Gonzales has no regrets. He has no conscience and he has no soul, so there can never be anything there for him to regret.
July 19th, 2007 at 7:41 pmHey, asswipe JIM, I mistakingly read one of your off topic repukian talking points posts. Mistakingly…..when I see Jim on the sign off, I skip it, as everyone else should.
Ignore the repukian trolls – and no the dow is not helping the average Joe – only the super rich profit at the cost of the rest of us.
July 19th, 2007 at 7:48 pmI’m not sure if the Bushies hire people without souls or consciences, or if they hire people who believe they have the opportunity to do good and then suck any moral values right out of them.
Either way, anybody who serves in this administration winds up a soulless automaton, capable only of adhering to the “agenda” — regardless of who dies or who gets hurt. The fact that Gonzo would badger a very sick man to accomplish a sordid objective isn’t surprising — it’s typical.
Colin Powell managed to escape before he was drained completely, but it will take awhile even for him to get his moral compass on track.
July 19th, 2007 at 7:49 pmOk, 108 posts and 18 were by Jim and 13 were by people responding to Jim. That’s about 28% of the posts being trolls and troll feeders.
I had such high hopes that you had finally learned and were going to ignore the troll, and you all did up until about post 60. Then in the next 40 posts 14 people responded to Jim. So, Jim still wins this one.
Congratulations Jim, you are the troll winner of this thread.
PLEASE DON’T FEED THE TROLLS. You were doing so well but then you just couldn’t resist. Responding to the trolls is letting them take over this site. BARTLEBEE seems to think that if we don’t respond to the trolls we are losing something. I completely disagree. I think that by responding to the trolls we are losing because they are taking over threads and driving away good people who have something to contribute to this site.
July 19th, 2007 at 7:50 pmIt is positively astonishing that the person who embodies the attorney for the United States has such disdain and disrespect, let alone understanding of the law.
July 19th, 2007 at 7:51 pmKatie – I have been trying for a long time with the IGNORE THE TROLLS campaign, and people kept responding to the scum anyway, I am considering just dropping this site because the Trolls are out of control and I believe ones like Mr. Pres & CT_V1 should be banned for sure. Although as of late I have been slamming the Trolls big time, just for fun, but soon tired of it, and am trying to just ignore them again.
Ignore the trolls – Read 111 Katie, she is so right about this, it has gotten out of hand.
July 19th, 2007 at 8:02 pmThis is my standard anti-troll post:
The trolls are paid to come here and be a speed bump or spider’s web. Their job is to tie you up in endless arguement and waste your time and energy. Don’t play their game. Use your precious skills, time and energy to write editorials for newspapers and call your representatives. Its easy to fall into troll quicksand. Be smarter and avoid the trap.
July 19th, 2007 at 8:24 pmDow hits 14000!
The Bush boom continues. {pop}
Comment by Jim — July 19, 2007 @ 5:23 pm
Actually, this is a good marker of inflation. The 2% have to put all those petro-dollars that Bernake is printing someplace. With hyperinflation hitting us now, I wouldn’t be surprised if it goes to 20,000 in the next two years. Meanwhile, jobs are fewer and pay less and less.
July 19th, 2007 at 9:00 pmOf course Gonzo has ‘no regret’. Regret is a human emotion…one needs to possess a soul to be capable of it.
July 19th, 2007 at 9:16 pmJim sez:
Yes…it’s unfortunate that the dollar’s continued slide against the euro counteracts all that and then some, so in reality, were doing more poorly in regards to the rest of the world than before…
But go ahead and keep crowing “14,000!” if it makes you feel better…
July 19th, 2007 at 9:18 pmGonzales actually manages to make Ashcroft look like a human being and not like a bible thumping thug who bears the Constitution little love himself. I salute you Gonzo, I had no idea you could come off less human than Grand Inquisitor Ashcroft.
July 19th, 2007 at 9:34 pm…it’s east when you have no conscience or integrity (like yer average righty)
July 19th, 2007 at 10:19 pmIs it a Karl Rove rule that trolls must have the most incredibly boring and generic names? Jim? Unmemorable is good, eh?
You do know the market was in GREAT shape in September of 1929 (a very similar era to what we have now). You do know what I mean, right, Corky?
July 19th, 2007 at 10:33 pmWho likes Gonzalez? The guy is a creepy little torture-loving bastard. Is that you, 29%ers? You losers would be KGB supporters in the USSR (hell, you would be turning in your neighbors) and you would do the same with the Gestapo. Cowardly murderers.
July 19th, 2007 at 10:41 pmAshcroft wasn’t the only sick person in that hospital room that night.
Gonzales is one sick, sick individual.
July 19th, 2007 at 11:57 pmsociopaths feel no regret. when he goes to prison, he will say he was railroaded. guilt-regret, these are foreign concepts.
July 20th, 2007 at 12:07 amI wouldn’t have any regrets pulling the lever on Gonzales at the gallows.
July 20th, 2007 at 2:29 am