REPORT: Iraq War To Cost $550 Billion By October
According to a new Congressional Research Service report, the war in Iraq has cost $450 billion to date. Further, if Congress approves the Bush administration’s latest supplemental funding request, the total cost of the war will exceed $550 billion by October 1 of this year — fully ten times greater than the Bush administration naively predicted in February 2003.
The report also details the costs of the war in Afghanistan — $127 billion — and other Department of Defense War on Terror expenditures — $28 billion. The CRS also notes approximately $5 billion dollars that cannot be “allocated.” In total, the “Global War on Terror” has cost $610 billion.
Other notable findings of the report:
Costs Rose Sharply In 2007: “[W]ar appropriations rose steeply in FY2007. DOD received $165.8 billion for war costs in FY2007 — about 40% more than the previous year. … VA medical costs for [Iraq/Afghanistan] veterans will be about $1 billion, according to CRS estimates” in 2007.
$12 Billion Per Month: “For the first half of FY2007, CRS estimates that [Defense Department’s] average monthly obligations for contracts and pay are running about $12 billion per month, well above the estimated $8.7 billion in FY2006.”
Rising Cost of Troop Deployments: “Since FY2003, the estimated average cost per deployed troop has risen from about $320,000 to $390,000 per deployed troop” and of the “1.5 million individuals who have deployed for Iraq of OEF, about 30% have had more than one deployment.”
Redeployment Could Cut Costs In Half: “[T]he Congressional Budget Office estimated that war costs for the next 10 years might total about $472 billion if troop levels fell to 30,000 by 2010, or $919 billion if troop levels fell to 75,000 by about 2013. Under such assumptions and adjusting for the FY2007 Supplemental, total funding for Iraq, Afghanistan and the GWOT could reach from about $1 trillion to $1.45 trillion by 2017.”
The CRS report also highlights the administration’s continuing reliance on “emergency supplemental funding requests” to fund wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, noting that “much of the funding would not seem to meet the traditional definition of emergency — as an urgent and ‘unforeseen, unpredictable, and unanticipated’ need.”
You can read the entire report HERE.
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surrender this monkey, libs!
July 19th, 2007 at 6:09 pmDuh…..Yeah but the Dow Jones is at 14,000……duh.
July 19th, 2007 at 6:10 pmCan you imagine what good all that money could have done? And the saving of lives in Darfur if they had something of value our president’s cronies wanted?
July 19th, 2007 at 6:15 pmGet rid of the Deptartment of Education, the Department of Housing & Urban Development and NEA and use the money to pay for the war.
Problem solved.
July 19th, 2007 at 6:16 pmI seem to remember Republicans ridiculing John Kerry in ‘04 because he had the temerity to suggest that the war costs might top $200 billion.
July 19th, 2007 at 6:16 pmCan we stop calling it a “war” and calling it what it is - an occupation? We toppled Saddam’s government - the war was over on May 1, 2003.
July 19th, 2007 at 6:16 pmMoney well spent.
July 19th, 2007 at 6:16 pmCost means nothing to American take all they need as Bush said we’re willing to gave every cent we have just to say we won. Who cares that thousands of soldier will die as Connie said their just numbers. Now we are close to a 7 Trillion dollar in debt but as long as the White House Mafia can continue their crime wave that’s all Americans care about. The United States is now known as liars thanks to the Liar-in-Chief and let’s not forget the VP who steals oil.
July 19th, 2007 at 6:16 pmTo think all that wasted money. still nothing to show for it but another Friedman.
July 19th, 2007 at 6:17 pmRingo, just because grade school was wasted on you and your pres, it doesn’t mean that the rest of us didn’t benefit from a little education.
July 19th, 2007 at 6:18 pmGet rid of the Deptartment of Education, the Department of Housing & Urban Development and NEA and use the money to pay for the war.
Problem solved.
Comment by Ringo — July 19, 2007 @ 6:16 pm
Very good encapsulation of the wingnut mind here:
War= good.
Education = bad.
Plus he thinks that getting rid of a public employees union (the NEA) would have any kind of impact on federal spending.
Funny.
July 19th, 2007 at 6:18 pmMoney well spent.
Comment by Frank J — July 19, 2007 @ 6:16 pm
Don’t you mean, “money well borrowed”, Jake?
July 19th, 2007 at 6:19 pmKeep in mind, Ringo was the dumb Beatle…
July 19th, 2007 at 6:19 pmMoney well spent.
Comment by Frank J
Please write this to all families who have lost sons and daughters you imbicile.
July 19th, 2007 at 6:19 pmHeh
July 19th, 2007 at 6:20 pmGive me their addresses.
July 19th, 2007 at 6:20 pmWar trumps Progress under Republicans.
July 19th, 2007 at 6:20 pmPlus he thinks that getting rid of a public employees union (the NEA) would have any kind of impact on federal spending.
Funny.
Comment by mikey
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NEA = National Endowment for the Arts
July 19th, 2007 at 6:21 pmCan you give me the address of all the Islamists who have been killed, a list about ten times larger I know but you as an allie of Islamo Fascism should be able to manage.
July 19th, 2007 at 6:21 pmGive me their addresses.
Comment by Frank J
July 19th, 2007 at 6:22 pmWork at it Frank. The Pentagon probably won’t release it for you because it priveleged information.
Killing Islamists is progress.
July 19th, 2007 at 6:22 pmWhy didn’t the Toy Emperor just give every man, woman, and child in Iraq $20,000 each if he wanted to blow $550BILLION of our hard earned tax dollars?
King George could have bought himself a bloodless coup for probably 1/2 that price!
ITMFA’s NOW!!!
July 19th, 2007 at 6:23 pmFrank- you are a disgrace to the United States.
July 19th, 2007 at 6:23 pm#22 You could say the same thing about the left’s so called “War on Poverty”.
July 19th, 2007 at 6:23 pmhttp://www.cnn.com/ SPECIALS/ 2003/ iraq/ forces/ casualties/
Cut and paste the link into your browser. After you’ve done that, go look up your birthday and think about what you did that day, how much fun you had, what your birthday cake tasted like, then look at the faces of the men and women who died on that day for your lies.
July 19th, 2007 at 6:24 pm$550 billion, hundreds of thousands of lives, mass emigration from iraq, establishment of al Queda in Iraq, civil war and for what? Profit of a few.
July 19th, 2007 at 6:24 pmConsider also that this is just what the CRS could find. Does this number include all the ‘contractors’ that are over there?
July 19th, 2007 at 6:24 pmKilling Islamists is progress.
Comment by Frank J
There is NO progress in killing. You are truly Adolph in disguise you hypocrit moron.
July 19th, 2007 at 6:24 pmCan you do the same thing for the 3,000 who died on 9/11? Thanks to Clinton and the left’s lack of interest in defending America?
July 19th, 2007 at 6:25 pmKilling Islamists is progress.
Comment by Frank J
killing innocent children is not, however, but you don’t care, you souless bastard.
July 19th, 2007 at 6:26 pmThere was progress in killing Nazis and there is progress in killing Islamo Fascists. There was progress in killing Communists too.
July 19th, 2007 at 6:26 pmKilling Islamists is progress.
Comment by Frank J
SEE THAT! a true American! God bless your blood lust Frank! God bless it.
July 19th, 2007 at 6:26 pmCan you do the same thing for the 3,000 who died on 9/11? Thanks to Clinton and the left’s lack of interest in defending America?
Comment by Frank J
prove the connection between 9-11 and iraq or shut up you lying bastard.
July 19th, 2007 at 6:26 pmKilling Islamists is progress.
Comment by Frank J
Especially when you kill him three times or make up a terrorist and kill him. Gotta love that Pentagon propaganda machine. we must have killed more “Head of al Queada in Iraq” people than there are actual al Queda.
July 19th, 2007 at 6:27 pm“Troop deaths are just numbers”
“The Constitution is just a God Damn Piece Of Paper”
“The Geneva Conventions Are Quaint”
From the people who brought you 9/11, and the next 9/11.
Unless you stop them.
July 19th, 2007 at 6:28 pmGod Bless the U.S.A.!! Spreading FREEDOM one $2,345 bomb at a time!
July 19th, 2007 at 6:28 pmThe connection is that the Islamists who have been killed in Iraq will never be able to carry out a 9/11 type attack. Thus progress in killing Islamists.
July 19th, 2007 at 6:28 pmF*cking BushCo and the Republic party won’t fund health care for kids, but are perfectly willing to blow the treasury on a worthless war. Now Bush has set it up so he can help himself to your bank account.
Next step: declare martial law, call dissenters enemy combatants, throw them in the camps KBR built, sieze their bank accounts - welcome to Amerika. Make sure your passport is in order, you may need to make a run for the border.
July 19th, 2007 at 6:28 pmSpread that enriched FREEDOM all over Iran,…I mean Iraq! (opps)
July 19th, 2007 at 6:29 pmThanks to Clinton and the left’s lack of interest in defending America?
Hey, screeceher: it wasn’t Clinton who ignored the famous Aug. 6, 2001, memo titled “Bin Ladin Determined to Strike in US” and told his CIA briefer “All right. You’ve covered your ass, now.”
July 19th, 2007 at 6:29 pmThe trolls are out in force - changing their names and posting some really unAmerican crap. Here we go again with the insults against our dead soldiers. It really is true: the neocon/republican/conservatives hate mainstream America so badly they’d kill themelves just to kill us. American Taliban, indeed. Something’s in the works, otherwise, they’d be too busy diddling themselves to show up with such force.
Why do the neocon/republican/conservatives hate the USA?
July 19th, 2007 at 6:29 pm#29 Can you do the same thing for the 3,000 who died on 9/11? Thanks to Clinton and the left’s lack of interest in defending America?
Comment by Frank J
Tell us again what that has to do with the occupation of Iraq?
July 19th, 2007 at 6:29 pmCan you do the same thing for the 3,000 who died on 9/11? Thanks to Clinton and the left’s lack of interest in defending America?
Comment by Frank J
Funny, the thugs who attacked the World Trade center during Clinton’s term as president are sitting in jail right now, where’s binladen? Whenver Clinton went after binladen, you unamerican republican’ts complained and tried to stop him. The reason we were attacked on 9-11 is because of the conservofacist wing of the republican party.
July 19th, 2007 at 6:30 pmThe troll posting as Frank J, is an Al Queda operative. read his poss, and say it isn’t true.
July 19th, 2007 at 6:31 pmNEA = National Endowment for the Arts
Comment by Ringo — July 19, 2007 @ 6:21 pm
Oh, I see. Thanks for the correction, Ringo. I should have realized that you were not only against education, but also the arts.
You do know what the annual allocation for the NEA is, don’t you? It’s about $120 million. Per year. That’s less than we spend on the Iraq War in one DAY.
So for Ringo,
War = good.
Education and the arts = bad.
Thanks for the update.
July 19th, 2007 at 6:31 pmFrank J
did you follow the link in post # 25 yet? Did you see who died on your birthday? I didn’t think so, you don’t care about the troops.
July 19th, 2007 at 6:31 pmThe endless quagmire that is the war on Iraq was totally predictable.
Six months before Bush invaded Iraq, Al Gore said that a pre-emptive war on Iraq would increase the number of terrorists, undercut US influence in the region, and diminish US legitimacy in the world affairs.
George Bush said that his war on Iraq would last “weeks, not months,” Iraqi oil revenues would pay for the war, and a tide of Democracy would sweep through the Middle East.
Al Gore was 100% right.
George Bush was 100% wrong.
Rightwingers don’t have what it takes to win a war: regular contact with reality. They live in Fantasyland.
July 19th, 2007 at 6:31 pmFrank, I just LOVE a limp-dick, cowardly, turd-burgler like YOU!!!
I’ll get the sex change, or we could just make doo-doo babies together!!!!
Ew, doo-doo looks like “moslems”, so we’ll have to kill them too!!!!!
July 19th, 2007 at 6:32 pmWait! I get it now.
$550BILLION is the Toy Emperor’s cost of building up, training, and arming new al Qaeda recruits so that the ReichWing can double it’s promise as described in the PNAC.
Stay tuned for yet another False Flag attack on Amerika. King George has used our tax dollars to buy himself a nice big dose of martial law for each and every one of us.
July 19th, 2007 at 6:32 pm# 40 isn’t me. It’s a FAKE!!!!!!!
July 19th, 2007 at 6:34 pm# 40 isn’t me. It’s a FAKE!!!!!!!
Comment by Mr. President
Who cares?
July 19th, 2007 at 6:35 pmMeet Frank J, imbecile.
July 19th, 2007 at 6:35 pmSomeone is name-jacking me again!!!!!!!
#48 is not me!!!!!!!
July 19th, 2007 at 6:36 pmHeyoooooOOOOOoooooOOOooooooooOOOO!!!!!!
#44 The reason we were attacked on 9-11 is because of the conservofacist wing of the republican party.
Comment by bobwurst
And don’t forget that Dubya has never went after Saudi, where 45 % of the insurgents are from, almost ALL the hijeckers and the majority of the funding for the Iraq battle against the US occupation.
But why would he do that? It is “hard work” and it would piss off his Daddy who has major investments with the Bin Laden family in the Carlyle Group.
Frank j has proven his ditto-head mentality and his bigotry and lack of humanity, as well as his chickenhawk lack of guts.
July 19th, 2007 at 6:36 pmWhat’s happening to me? Richard???
Fat guy in a little coat?!!
July 19th, 2007 at 6:37 pmSo for Ringo,
War = good.
Education and the arts = bad.
Thanks for the update.
Comment by mikey r
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Not quite…
War = Sometime necessary
Education = State responsibility, not Federal
Art = Not the job of government to subsidize art
There, that’s more like it.
July 19th, 2007 at 6:37 pmAnd what have we accomplished with all that $$?
More terrorists want to kill us.
We still don’t have a health care system that works.
Thousands of our troops are dead or maimed for life.
Hundreds of Thousands of Iraqis are dead or maimed for life.
Heckuva job chympie.
July 19th, 2007 at 6:38 pm“Why is Greenspan resigning in January? What comes after that?”
Uh, it’s July now Ace.
July 19th, 2007 at 6:39 pmPlease update your paste jobs, please.
Make no mistake…
BUSH 41 IS ACTUALLY THE PRESIDENT - AND HAS BEEN SINCE 2000.
I’m totally serious.
Bush 41, Lay and Cheney conspired in 1999 to CREATE the FAKE California Energy Crisis that paved the way to INSTALLING the Oil Boys in the White House.
Part of their plan included implementation of the PNAC - including the NEW PEARL HARBOR as the PRETEXT for the invasion of the Middle East - outsourcing the implementation to Mossad under the direction of Cheney (as witnessed by Minetta) using PTECH software to blind NORAD on 9/11.
Bush 41 is the kingpin of 9/11.
Look at GW’s entire cabinet. They are all 41s co-conspirators. 41 has been an agent of Israel since the early sixties in this days as an agent of the CIA (he was in Dallas the day Kennedy was assassinated).
41 literally OWNS the CIA - and its fleet of Gulfstream jets flying cash and cocaine between Colombia and Florida to this day.
41 is the biggest criminal in the United States. His sons are just part of the protection racket.
Jim Baker and Robert Gates to the rescue?
Gimme A Break!
Investigate GHW Bush.
WHERE IS Israeli Agent KOBI ALEXANDER?
His “Comverse” was used to wiretap and blackmail every politician.
His “Odigo” was used to warn Israeli Nationals to steer clear of the WTC on 9/11.
His PTECH (a PROMIS knock-off) was used to blind NORAD.
He’s wanted by the Federal Government…do you know where he is?
He’s in the WITNESS PROTECTION PROGRAM!
Where is Dov Zakheim?
He stole $7 TRILLION from the DOD and sent it to Israel.
DEMAND JUSTICE.
July 19th, 2007 at 6:39 pmRingo likes war! Especially when other people fight it!
HeyooooOOOOOOOoooooOOOOOOOooooooo!
July 19th, 2007 at 6:40 pm#
“Why is Greenspan resigning in January? What comes after that?â€
Uh, it’s July now Ace.
Please update your paste jobs, please.
Comment by RUCerious — July 19, 2007 @ 6:39 pm
It does appear that you’re reading if you’re proofing.
Good for you - nice catch.
July 19th, 2007 at 6:40 pmRingo= off key singing and off tempo drummning tag a long leech on a decent band.
July 19th, 2007 at 6:40 pmTP has abandoned it’s blog to the trolls. C&L, here I come.
July 19th, 2007 at 6:42 pm# 40 isn’t me. It’s a FAKE!!!!!!!
Who cares, you stupid, simpering narcissist?
July 19th, 2007 at 6:42 pmAnd we’re wizzing all over ourselves, and lovin’ it!!!!!
July 19th, 2007 at 6:43 pmSo where does that put our national debt now?? On the backs of our grandchildren’s great grandchildren?? Obviously, Dumbya never learned fiscal accountability either.
July 19th, 2007 at 6:44 pmAccording to a new Congressional Research Service report, the cost of the war in Iraq has cost $450 billion to date
Nobel Laureate American Economist Joseph Stiglitz (Harvard) puts the cost of the war/occupation/corporate theft at 2.2 TRILLION Dollars when factoring in all future costs.
“The study, which expanded on traditional estimates by including such costs as lifetime disability and healthcare for troops injured in the conflict as well as the impact on the American economy, concluded that the US government is continuing to underestimate the cost of the war.”
http://www.guardian.co.uk/ Iraq/ Story/ 0,2763,1681119,00.html
July 19th, 2007 at 6:44 pmBy the way, my tube sock don’t know sheet. When I’m posing as CT V1 I wear a little bonnet.
A little bonnnnNNNeeeeeeeEEEEEEEEEEttttt!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
July 19th, 2007 at 6:44 pmDeath to all people who aren’t White, Straight, wealthy, Married, Christians!
July 19th, 2007 at 6:44 pmace ~ I do read your posts, so could you spend a couple minutes updating them? I’d appreciate it. And so would your cred.
July 19th, 2007 at 6:44 pmace,
You don’t sleep well do you?
July 19th, 2007 at 6:45 pmveritas, see ya at Americablog? KOS?
July 19th, 2007 at 6:47 pmTP has abandoned it’s blog to the trolls. C&L, here I come.
Comment by Marcus Aurelius
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Don’t call me a troll, I’m an insurgent!
July 19th, 2007 at 6:47 pmFREE SAUSAGES FOR ALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
WAR, SCHMAWR!!!!!!!!
July 19th, 2007 at 6:49 pmFREE SAUSAGES FOR ALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
WAR, SCHMAWR!!!!!!!!
Comment by Ima Hogg
Would those be FREEDOM SAUSAGES??
July 19th, 2007 at 6:50 pmWe’ve reached our GOP limit for membership.
Sorry for the inconvenience.
Please change party affiliation to continue loggin‘ in.
July 19th, 2007 at 6:52 pmThank God, I mean really, thank God that we’re spending all this money. Since we have no use for it domestically, or internationally for that matter, it’s nice to see it going to a good cause; killing people. There’s nothing I like better than to spend some money in order to see people die. No matter the cause, I don’t even know what the cause is, I just like to see me some people dying. God in heaven, hear my prayers, please lord help us to stay in Iraq so more people will die.
July 19th, 2007 at 6:52 pmIf I reregister, do I have to give back the Freedom sausages?
July 19th, 2007 at 6:53 pmLook, I copyrighted my name.
July 19th, 2007 at 6:55 pmJesus H. Christ Ace, can’t you post this on some tin foil hat page, I mean really WTF? Your posts hijack threats better than these republicans trolls - grats!
July 19th, 2007 at 6:56 pmComment by ace — July 19, 2007
July 19th, 2007 at 6:58 pmGood post, I remember the article.
It got wide dissemination, then the fraud was discovered, and the retractions came out on page 23, right after the dog food ads.
Ace, namtillaku has a point here.
July 19th, 2007 at 6:59 pmSometimes less is better.
This is one of the sacrfices that must be made to bring liberation to Iraq. Libs, war is not free. Do you libs truly understnad why we are in Iraq?
July 19th, 2007 at 6:59 pm#
Comment by ace — July 19, 2007
Good post, I remember the article.
It got wide dissemination, then the fraud was discovered, and the retractions came out on page 23, right after the dog food ads.
Comment by RUCerious — July 19, 2007 @ 6:58 pm
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LOL…good one.
July 19th, 2007 at 7:00 pm#
Ace, namtillaku has a point here.
Sometimes less is better.
Comment by RUCerious — July 19, 2007 @ 6:59 pm
I just though I’d see how it looked to have a thread full of facts and links instead of one guy talking to himself under a dozen names…about sausage.
July 19th, 2007 at 7:01 pm#101 This is one of the sacrfices that must be made to bring liberation to Iraq. Libs, war is not free. Do you libs truly understnad why we are in Iraq?
Comment by Daryll
Yea, Daryll, tell us again why YOU are in Iraq? I gotta hear this!
July 19th, 2007 at 7:02 pmWell, well, if it isn’t our resident godboy. One of the sacrifices?
July 19th, 2007 at 7:02 pmWhy are we not liberating North Korea? I understnad (sic) they just discovered the world’s largest oil reserves under North Korea!
This is one of the sacrfices that must be made to bring liberation to Iraq. Libs, war is not free. Do you libs truly understnad why we are in Iraq?
Comment by Daryll
RIGHT! Why can’t you libtunes get it? JESUS WANTS BOMBS TO FREE IRAQ!
That’s how freedom is made…BOMBS! of course. DEATH DEATH DEATH
equals a FREE IRAQ! WE know what is best for them. Jesus said it!
July 19th, 2007 at 7:03 pmAce, namtillaku has a point here.
Sometimes less is better.
Comment by RUCerious — July 19, 2007 @ 6:59
I know that. That in fact is MY point, he’s preaching to the converted. I doubt a single person will have their mind changed by his spam.
July 19th, 2007 at 7:03 pm#
This is one of the sacrfices that must be made to bring liberation to Iraq. Libs, war is not free. Do you libs truly understnad why we are in Iraq?
Comment by Daryll — July 19, 2007 @ 6:59 pm
I S R A E L
July 19th, 2007 at 7:04 pmOops - misread your post RU
July 19th, 2007 at 7:04 pm#29 Can you do the same thing for the 3,000 who died on 9/11? Thanks to Clinton and the left’s lack of interest in defending America?
Comment by Frank J
Kinda like Bush’s interest in the memo? You know, the one that said we were going to be attacked? Can’t be interrupting the Boy Genius’ brush clearing, can we?
July 19th, 2007 at 7:05 pmI S R A E L
Comment by ace
uh oh. now hes done it. only took him 6 paste-up jobs this time.
July 19th, 2007 at 7:08 pmThis is one of the sacrfices that must be made to bring liberation to Iraq. Libs, war is not free. Do you libs truly understnad why we are in Iraq?
Comment by Daryll
Sure. Here are 3 reasons why we are there.
Oil.
July 19th, 2007 at 7:08 pmOil.
Oil.
I know that. That in fact is MY point, he’s preaching to the converted. I doubt a single person will have their mind changed by his spam.
Comment by Namtillaku — July 19, 2007 @ 7:03 pm
You likely noticed that in recent days, many good people have simply given up on this forum in disgust, as TP clearly knows that one or two people are here jamming up these under twenty different names.
Good people have already left.
I’m at least trying SOMETHING, ANYTHING to draw attention to the fact that TP is not only allowing their blog to be used to drive away the best and the brightest Progressive thinkers, they are apparently condoning it…which begs the question…who funds this purported movement?
It’s not advertiser supported, so who funds it, and why are they determined to ruin it as a place where thruth-seekers can share information?
July 19th, 2007 at 7:09 pmC’mon Daryll, give us a little more than just a one post fly by, please?
July 19th, 2007 at 7:10 pmWe’re close to nausea from Mr. P(P)….
Can you humor us for a bit?
God bless ya’, ol’ buddy, ol’ pal………….
#76, Larry from C , is right except Stiglitz and Bilmes said since their study was done a year ago the fighting has increased instead of winding down as they expected—-so it will be more expensive.
And it is not being paid for. It is just piled on the debt. The twelve years of tax breaks for the rich was never paid for under Reagan and Bush, either—they took the debt from $0.9 trillion (first 200 years) to $4.1 trillion.
Someone in the future will have to pay for it—you, your children, and your grandchildren. Or the IMF will just take us over like they did Brazil.
July 19th, 2007 at 7:10 pmOil.
Oil.
Oil.
Comment by Candyce
Are you kidding me?
it’s Democracy and Freedom and Jesus!! They either take our Democracy-Jesus-Freedom or we blow them up!! then they’ll be better off…like we are.
July 19th, 2007 at 7:10 pmYou spend $ 450 billion and what do you get, another year older and deeper in debt.
July 19th, 2007 at 7:14 pmace, who on either side has the time to read such copy and paste?
July 19th, 2007 at 7:14 pmRaven ~
July 19th, 2007 at 7:15 pmYour post is hellarious!
Then I thought, jeez, isn’t that pathetic, that we are reduced to asking for more jeebus spew from St D…!!
Yes, Daryll, please come back and tell us about your sacrifice when it comes to funding this debacle. Oh wait, that’s right. You aren’t. None of us are. It’s added on to the debt so our children and grandchildren, people not even born yet, can pay for it.
July 19th, 2007 at 7:16 pmProblem solved.
Comment by Ringo
Shut Ringo up…
Even bigger problem solved.
(Psss… Ringo… Mr P is looking for you…)
July 19th, 2007 at 7:16 pmThe Dems really can’t complain about the cost of the war, because they just recently voted to extend the funding of it. They don’t have the balls to cut off the funding.
July 19th, 2007 at 7:17 pm#115 Keith…and its all being done INTENTIONALLY. The neo-cons want to completely totally BANKRUPT the country. Neo-conservative Grover Norquist has said he wants to shrink the budget down so small…”down to the size where we can drown it in the bathtub”.
All social programs will be cut from the budget. Can’t afford ‘em anymore. Whatever remains will be spent on the military. They obviously have many more wars planned. And tax cuts. Don’t say you weren’t warned.
July 19th, 2007 at 7:17 pmI don’t tend to post much, because the threads tend to be so over run by troll droppings. It is the reason I would like TP to move to a register system, not to censor, but to make it easier to eject those who aren’t interested in an actual conversation.
July 19th, 2007 at 7:17 pm#120
Nice thing about National Debt – nobody really has to pay for it.
July 19th, 2007 at 7:18 pmThe hell with spending money on our infrastructure. New Yorkers can handle a few antiquated steam pipes blowing up.
July 19th, 2007 at 7:19 pmpathetic indeed.
July 19th, 2007 at 7:19 pm“It is the reason I would like TP to move to a register system”
I would just register with the site and keep posting. Besides, TP is nonpartisan. Think Progress means to enact conservative programs.
July 19th, 2007 at 7:19 pmHow’s everybody’s stock account look?
Dow 14000
July 19th, 2007 at 7:20 pm“The neo-cons want to completely totally BANKRUPT the country.”
Actually the economy has never been so good. You say this on a day the Dow hit 14000? Talk about bad timing, honey.
July 19th, 2007 at 7:22 pmGod Bless the Investment Class!!
When they make money, they go and buy stuff and then the poor people wait on them at the celebration dinner and they get the tips!!
It’s so simple. The housing market slump and the stagnate wage structure and the rising costs of intrest and the new bankruptcy laws are all there to show this is THE BEST ECCONOMY EVER! for investors.
July 19th, 2007 at 7:25 pmLarry from C: Thanks for the numbers. I’ve just sent them to about 500 friends who will send them to their friends so the phones will be ringing off the hook.
July 19th, 2007 at 7:26 pmAnd don’t believe them when they say we spend $500b each year on our military. That is only the Pentagon budget. It comes to $934 billion when you total that with military spending in other budgets.
July 19th, 2007 at 7:26 pm$16.6 b atomic weapons D of Energy
$25.3 b State foreign military aid
$69.8 b VA wounded
$69.1 b Homeland Security
$38.5 b Treasury military retirements
$7.6 b NASA military satellites
$206.7 b interest on war debts
That’s what no one is talking about. The economy is so good freekin’ good the debt doesn’t matter. Foreign investment – even the war spending – doesn’t matter.
Productivity gains always overcome the shortfall. It never fails.
July 19th, 2007 at 7:26 pm“The housing market slump and the stagnate wage structure and the rising costs of intrest”
Home ownership, wages and interest rates are all better now than under Bill Clinton.
Eat it.
July 19th, 2007 at 7:27 pmLemesee now….China owns about 35% of our national debt right now…which means….$$$$. Now if they were to call it due and payable right now, then…?? Do not underestimate China. Do not underestimate the power this gives them over us right now.
July 19th, 2007 at 7:28 pm“That is only the Pentagon budget. It comes to $934 billion when you total that with military spending in other budgets.”
Dems haven’t done anything about this. They just voted to extend funding for the war in Iraq.
The Dem congress with only a 14% approval rating.
July 19th, 2007 at 7:28 pm#134 What if you were to suddenly discover that the economic indicators are being compromised to provide appearances of affluence? What if??
July 19th, 2007 at 7:28 pmand war profiteering has never been more lucrative. Maybe we should all get into it?
July 19th, 2007 at 7:30 pmI may not be in Iraq, but I am proud to say that I am a government contractor (consultant) who assist in protecting our soil and preserving freedom. I am a civlian soldier. Also, why do you libs support terrorism?
July 19th, 2007 at 7:30 pmIf that’s all you care about, the stock market went up 350% under Clinton. W took it from 10,700 down to 7,500 and now he is wonderful because it is 14,000? The bottom 50% of Americans own practically zero in stocks.
July 19th, 2007 at 7:31 pmProductivity gains always overcome the shortfall. It never fails.
Comment by Nothing Matters
See? heres a smart guy!
Productivity gains, now that they are allowed to factor in the outsourced manufacturing from overseas, is making this country great!
Forget about the layoffs and the factories that are shut down and the entire towns that are on unemployment,
These are the “Birth Pangs of a New Mid-West”! Soon all manufactring jobs will be low skill - low wage, no benifit OPPORTUNITY for profit!
And just think about how well the MARKET will do then!!!
uhhhuhhhuhhh I think I just had some movement.
July 19th, 2007 at 7:31 pmAce: Cash & coke to columbia and florida make for some primo dinero. And that’s just what we “know”…imagine what we “don’t know”.
July 19th, 2007 at 7:31 pm“and war profiteering has never been more lucrative. Maybe we should all get into it?”
The Dems certainly haven’t cut any military spending.
July 19th, 2007 at 7:31 pmIf Darryl is a contractor, I’ll eat this keyboard. hah!
July 19th, 2007 at 7:32 pmThere is a mountain of evidence that Republicans support terrorism and not liberals.
July 19th, 2007 at 7:32 pmNice try, Darryl troll. We know you here on these threads and realize that you’re a total charlatan. (go look that one up - I’m sure you’ll have to).
July 19th, 2007 at 7:32 pm“the stock market went up 350% under Clinton.”
It also came crashing down like a house of cards under Clinton and people lost their entire life savings.
July 19th, 2007 at 7:32 pm#139 Veritas -
Take the energy profits out (artifical price increases due to the war), all the profits from Halliburton and other contractors and military businesses, then check the results. Will look a bit different. And all the trolls here who tout the war probably are making money off those companies too! Sick perverted opportunists… just like their BushCo heroes in the WH.
July 19th, 2007 at 7:33 pm“There is a mountain of evidence that Republicans support terrorism and not liberals.”
What has this dem congress done to combat terrorism?
July 19th, 2007 at 7:33 pm“I am a civlian soldier”
Comment by Daryll — July 19, 2007
Is that like an onward christian soldier?
July 19th, 2007 at 7:33 pmI may not be in Iraq, but I am proud to say that I am a government contractor (consultant) who assist in protecting our soil and preserving freedom. I am a civlian soldier. Also, why do you libs support terrorism?
Comment by Daryll
RIGHT! by typing this enlightening Truthiness on his keyboard, and working as a w-9 employee with no benifits, Daryll is doing the good work of the brave soldiers; helping them to stay in that Godless place…
For America!
God Bless you and your bravery Daryll.
July 19th, 2007 at 7:33 pmDon’t respond to anything Darryl spews. He’s Jake, Mr. Pee, and an entire menagerie of schizoid monikers. Same schiz - many monikers. Freeze him out and see who pops up next….Mr. Pee maybe?? or will it be Jake this time? We’ll spot him the moment he enters the thread.
July 19th, 2007 at 7:33 pm#113 Ace: Perhaps that’s the “plan” here?
July 19th, 2007 at 7:34 pmMembers of the Bush cult-of-death weigh in on spending $550 Billion on Bush’s folly:
Ringo: “Get rid of the Deptartment of Education, the Department of Housing & Urban Development and NEA and use the money to pay for the war.
Problem solved.”
Frank J: “Money well spent.”
If you are part of a cult of death, you’d much rather see us spend blood and money on a useless folly than protect your fellow citizens from terrorism. For a small fraction of that money we could have equipped every port in the country with state-of-the-art nuclear and chemical screening systems, put armed air marshals and anti-missle technology on every commercial jet, hired thousands of arabic language translators, placed hundreds of intelligence operatives in strategic locations around the world, checked every container on every ship entering the country, shored up the security apparatus at all nuclear and chemical facilities and beefed up our special forces for surgical strikes anywhere we could find al Qaeda training camps.
July 19th, 2007 at 7:35 pmKnute from 3DHS.
July 19th, 2007 at 7:35 pmWages have gone DOWN under Bush when adjusted for inflation. The first time that has happened since The Great Depression caused by twelve years of Republican rule. Clinton created 22 million jobs. Bush 5 million (mostly below poverty line).
July 19th, 2007 at 7:35 pmand, oh, it’s civilian
July 19th, 2007 at 7:35 pmNotice all the trolls are ecstatic about the economy and all the libs are sulking pessimists. MARK MY WORDS – when and if the economy takes a crap, the libs will be dancing in the streets. “Yaaah! The rich are only half as rich – oh, and I don’t have a dime, dangâ€. Dance ends with a shrug.
July 19th, 2007 at 7:35 pmKeith G: And another Bush Depression is right around the corner. The market is being artificially propped up. Once people realize it, they’ll all pull their money out at once and it will go boom. Too bad, too sad.
July 19th, 2007 at 7:36 pmDon’t respond to anything Darryl spews
OK!
July 19th, 2007 at 7:37 pmWhat has this dem congress done to combat terrorism?
Comment by Mr. Vice President
What has this president done to combat terrorism? That’s the real question.
July 19th, 2007 at 7:37 pm#160 not quite! Get over yourself. It looks like you’re heading for a Big O right now yourself. Get a grip or go rent a room. You’re out of your league here, fool.
July 19th, 2007 at 7:38 pmWhat has this dem congress done to combat terrorism?
Comment by Mr. Vice President — July 19, 2007 @ 7:33 pm
The Congress doesn’t combat terrorism; law enforcement and intelligence agencies do that.
July 19th, 2007 at 7:38 pm“Wages have gone DOWN under Bush when adjusted for inflation.”
Hiring, wages up in good sign for economy
By JEANNINE AVERSA, Associated Press
Posted Saturday, July 7, 2007
WASHINGTON — Employers boosted payrolls by a better-than-expected 132,000 jobs in June, enough to keep the unemployment rate at a relatively low 4.5 percent. It was another sign that the economy is snapping out of a nearly yearlong sluggish spell.
The latest picture of the nation’s employment climate, released by the Labor Department on Friday, also showed that workers saw solid gains in their wages last month.
July 19th, 2007 at 7:39 pm#160 In your “netherworld” and in your dreams you’d love to believe that liberals are anything like you. In reality, we’re so far evolved that we don’t even recognize you as a life form.
July 19th, 2007 at 7:39 pmupside00: This is fiscally impossible for these trolls who are so myopic that they probably can’t tie their shoes no less multi-task and decipher the scope of the issue. Most of what I see on these threads leads me to the fact that they are probably at the “amoebic stage” of development.
July 19th, 2007 at 7:41 pm“What has this president done to combat terrorism? That’s the real question.”
We can talk about the president in a second. But for now, what have the Dems in congress done?
July 19th, 2007 at 7:41 pmveritas #134
July 19th, 2007 at 7:41 pmDing Ding Ding!!!
China has all the leverage at this point.
What are we gonna do, stop buying the cheap products made there?
Doubt it.
Come to think of it, when was the last time you heard about the trade deficit numbers/?? Didn’t they used to report on them regularly, like monthly??
The topic was SUPPORTING terrorism and the evidence is so vast that it was done by Reagan, GHWBush, Casey, North, Rumsfeld, Cheney, Pakistani Intelligence, CIA, and this latest invasion and occupation. I really don’t have the 100 hours needed to begin to explain it to you.
Kerry prosecuted Iran-Contra and BCCI. BCCI was a major funder in W’s Harken Energy Corp.
July 19th, 2007 at 7:42 pmWhat has this president done to combat terrorism? That’s the real question.
Comment by Candyce — July 19, 2007 @ 7:37 pm
Increased the number of terrorists.
July 19th, 2007 at 7:42 pm“Yaaah! The rich are only half as rich – oh, and I don’t have a dime, dangâ€. Dance ends with a shrug.
Comment by Nothing Matters
You tell ‘em! Those libs think about “fairness” and “empathy” and “human rights” and “blessed are the meek…” and “blessed are the poor….” and that stupid crap!!!
They don’t see the REAL picture! The Rich are better and smarter and more deserving that the poor! And after all, that’s what our country was FOUNDED on…Jesus and MAMMON!
July 19th, 2007 at 7:42 pmwhich is precisely why we shouldn’t engage them - how can a one-celled creature possible interact with a highly evolved life form? Not possible. Freeze the trolls - they along with their pus-filled warts will vanish immediately.
July 19th, 2007 at 7:42 pmPhony Mr. Vice President: “Actually the economy has never been so good. You say this on a day the Dow hit 14000? Talk about bad timing, honey.”
Since 96% of all equity is held by less than 5% of the American public, how does the Dow hitting 14,000 help the average American citizen?
Phony Mr. vice President: “Home ownership, wages and interest rates are all better now than under Bill Clinton.
Eat it.”
According to Businessweek Magazine, wages have been stagnant or have been decreasing for the vast majority of American workers now for 6 years, so I’m not sure where you got your info. And, if you’ll check, I think you’ll find that the average prime rate in the 90’s under Clinton was actually less than it is today. Now, it’s true that Greenspan raised rates about 14 times in the months running up to the 2000 election, but that was clearly a political move designed to help Bush win.
Phony Mr. Vice President: “The Dem congress with only a 14% approval rating.”
First, you are a little out of date. Current approval ratings are in the mid-twenties. Secondly, when asked which party’s candidate they will vote for in the next election for congress, 58% say the Democrat and 26% say the Repub…
You eat it, a-hole!
July 19th, 2007 at 7:42 pm“Employers boosted payrolls by a better-than-expected 132,000 jobs in June”
July 19th, 2007 at 7:42 pmAnd that barely keeps up with the population increase.
And howza bout those folks who have given up looking? Oh, right, they’re not counted, are they.
Hmm.
#163 What has this president done to combat terrorism? That’s the real question.
Comment by Candyce
He has supported keeping OBL alive, he has recruited more Al Quida insurgents than anyone else in the world, he has brought the disrespect of the rest of the world to our doorstep and ran up the largest debt in the history of the world.
Overall, a great legacy, wouldn’t you say?
July 19th, 2007 at 7:43 pmIt also came crashing down like a house of cards under Clinton and people lost their entire life savings.
Comment by Mr. Vice President
Savings… hmmm, savings. Why does that look so familiar? Oh, right. Savings and loan. As in the savings & loans crisis of the 1980s under the Reagan administration. And Neil Bush and Silverado, which buyout cost the taxpayers $1.6 BILLION. Good old Republic administration of the country.
Or maybe you were talking about “savings” as in the American rate of savings at negative 0.5%.
Or perhaps you meant to say DEBT. As in the national debt.
It is dynamic rather than static, so instead of a number:
http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/
Or maybe you mean DEFICIT. You know, the one that erased the national surplus created under Clinton?
http://tinyurl.com/3bu9s9
July 19th, 2007 at 7:43 pmRU: Not only are they skewing the numbers, they’re not even presenting them any longer out of sheer embarrassment. Sure, China owns this country and it’s almost a done deal now. By the time we exit Iraq, they will wholly own us. Handwriting is on the wall. and it says something like this: Bush’s Infamous Legacy - The total destruction of the United States of America.
The “uniter” turned out to be a lying hypocrite and divided this country beyond recognition. We’re sure to be finished in the next decade or so - fiscally and rep wise. Third world country is what I hear when I travel internationally.
July 19th, 2007 at 7:45 pmDo ya’ll really not invest in the stock market or what?
My Dem in-laws (olds) live on social security only.
My Rep parents (also olds) live on ss plus middle class life long savings in the stock market.
It’s easy to see who has it easier.
Neither is better people, one just invested better.
July 19th, 2007 at 7:45 pm132,000 jobs in June, enough to keep the unemployment rate at a relatively low 4.5 percent. It was another sign that the economy is snapping out of a nearly yearlong sluggish spell.
Comment by Mr. Vice President — July 19, 2007 @ 7:39 pm
I don’t think this is going to help the president at all.
July 19th, 2007 at 7:45 pmPhony Mr. Vice President: “Employers boosted payrolls by a better-than-expected 132,000 jobs in June…”
You have to add about 140,000 to 150,000 a month just to keep up with population, dumbass. 132K is a net loss. Question for you, dumbass: how many months during Clinton’s terms exhibited job growth like this? Answer: None. Clinton added more jobs than this every month of his 8 years in office.
July 19th, 2007 at 7:46 pmLet’s face facts: Bush inherited a 7 billion dollar “surplus” - hear that word, trollturds?? 7 Billion dollar surplus….where are we now?? Beyond belief, that’s where. Since you love to bring Clinton into every discussion, come one….I double dare you to contrast Clinton and the riches of this country during and immediately after his administration…come on whimps….where’s your Clinton talk now??
Mute…mum….that’s where you are. Back to your sewer slime. You know the facts and fortunately so do the american people. Crimes will be paid for in this country when the Dem takes the presidency - of that I am certain.
July 19th, 2007 at 7:47 pm#166 another example of W taking it to the depths and bringing it up a little bit, then patting hisself for a wonderful job. Clinton inherited unemployment of 7.8% and progressively took it down to 3.9%.
W inherits 3.9%, takes it to 6.7%, then down to 4.5%, then says what a wonderful job he has done. Clinton 22 million jobs, W 5 million. Under w, a loss in income when adjusted for inflation. First time that has happened since the Great Depression.
Clinton goes from record deficits to record surpluses. W from those record surpluses to new record deficits.
But the topic is how is he going to pay the $2.2 Trillion for his counter-productive war. The one that has killed one million people and boosted terrorism.
July 19th, 2007 at 7:48 pmI think we need to immediately change this thread to “The Clinton Years of Prosperity and Fiscal Responsibility”, don’t you?? Let’s go trolltards. Get on your leotards and dance. We’re waiting.
July 19th, 2007 at 7:49 pmOverall, a great legacy, wouldn’t you say?
Comment by upside00
Splendid. Let’s not forget his close relationship with the dictator Musharraf, the guy who cut a deal with Osama with Bush’s blessing. And our tax dollars.
July 19th, 2007 at 7:49 pm“…Notice all the trolls are ecstatic about the economy and all the libs are sulking pessimists.”
Comment by Nothing Matters — July 19, 2007
It is a false and unsustainable economy, and that is what we are (realistically) pessimistic about.
It isn’t real, and we are sensible, intelligent, and intuitive enough to understand its inevitable collapse.
And yes, I will dance in the streets.
I have a dime now, and I’ll have one then. I’ll also know how to grow food and make my tools.
You have a dollar now, and you’ll have nothing then.
So you’ll try to take my food and tools, and I’ll have to start making weapons to protect my family and myself.
Fool
July 19th, 2007 at 7:50 pmComment by r
are you kidding? Are you actually incapable of understanding that 80% of the American population don’t have resources after paying bills to invest in stock market?
or is it easier to think that they did it to themselves? Like the old “homelss man millionaire” cop out.
July 19th, 2007 at 7:50 pmPoverty rates declined every year for Clinton’s 8 years in office. Poverty rates have been increasing for 6 straight years now.
July 19th, 2007 at 7:51 pmKeith - there’s no comparison. What Bush has done to this country is criminal in every way. And this area of fiscal irresponsibility is just one black mark against this man among a sea of others.
Keep talking about how great this country was under Bill Clinton ad nauseum. Keep the trolls mute. That’s where they function best….amoebas - all of them. And that’s probably a compliment to what they really are.
catch you later, TP friends! Keep up the Clinton talk…..
July 19th, 2007 at 7:51 pmCandyce: Sorry, didn’t see you - and Raven, too. Later gators! Chew ‘em up~!
July 19th, 2007 at 7:52 pmMy Rep parents (also olds) live on ss plus middle class life long savings in the stock market.
Comment by r — July 19, 2007 @ 7:45 pm
My grandparents live on SS and a union pension and they’re doing pretty well. This is what every American should have when they retire.
July 19th, 2007 at 7:53 pmAl Qaeda uses suicide bombers, but it’s main weapon is Bankruptcy. Bin Laden thinks he took down the Soviet Union by bankrupting them in Afghanistan….and he is using the same strategy against America.
July 19th, 2007 at 7:53 pmKnocking down buildings will not bring down America…but self inflicted Bankruptcy just might.
Economics for the Bush-worshipper:
Poverty rates going up - not Bush’s fault.
Wages in decline or stagnant - not Bush’s fault.
Balance of trade at record highs - not Bush’s fault.
Dollar at historic weakness - not Bush’s fault.
Record deficit and debt - not Bush’s fault.
Dow hits 14,000 - Bush is a great leader!
July 19th, 2007 at 7:54 pm#170
China has all the leverage at this point.
What are we gonna do, stop buying the cheap products made there?
Doubt it.
Come to think of it, when was the last time you heard about the trade deficit numbers/?? Didn’t they used to report on them regularly, like monthly??
Comment by RUCerious — July 19, 2007 @ 7:41 pm
China has NO LEVERAGE.
No, we are not going to stop buying their cheap products. For one thing if we did, millions (or hundreds of millions) of them would starve. So I consider it humanitarian aid whenever I get a new power tool.
The other thing is we give them pictures of Ben Franklin (or better yet-electronic credit), and they give us tools and steel and Barbie dolls for our kids.
Which would you rather have?
July 19th, 2007 at 7:55 pmClinton also did a much better job at fighting domestic terrorism.
July 19th, 2007 at 7:57 pmIf Repubs had their way, there would be no Social Security, Medicare, public schools, public universities, women’s suffrage, minimum wage, public libraries, etc.
July 19th, 2007 at 7:57 pmIn 1980, we were the world’s strongest creditor nation. Today, after 27 years of modern conservative policies, we are the world’s biggest debtor nation. Congradulations, conservatives! You’ve shit all over us!
July 19th, 2007 at 7:57 pm“Under w, a loss in income when adjusted for inflation.” -KeithG
released by the Labor Department on Friday, also showed that workers saw solid gains in their wages last month.
July 19th, 2007 at 7:58 pmEXXON SHOULD BE NATIONALIZED AND LIQUIDATED TO PAY FOR THIS OIL GRAB. THROW NEWSCORP IN THE GRINDER TOO.
July 19th, 2007 at 8:00 pm“No, we are not going to stop buying their cheap products. For one thing if we did, millions (or hundreds of millions) of them would starve. So I consider it humanitarian aid whenever I get a new power tool.
The other thing is we give them pictures of Ben Franklin (or better yet-electronic credit), and they give us tools and steel and Barbie dolls for our kids.
Which would you rather have?
Comment by UcantBCerious ”
LOL
July 19th, 2007 at 8:00 pmWhat I would like to have isn’t on your wish list,
you may just rather have another drink or 5…..
Read Richard Clarke’s book. He was head of counter-terrorism under GHWB, Clinton, and GWB. He said Clinton did much and W did absolutely nothing.
When Clinton sent the cruise missles at the AQ training camps in Afghanistan, every Republican in the US squealed ” Wag the Dog–you’re trying to distract us from Monica”.
July 19th, 2007 at 8:00 pmUcantBCerious: “Which would you rather have?”
I’d rather not have a situation where China is holding trillions in treasury bills and could bankrupt our entire economy any time it chooses. Why do you think the dollar has never been weaker, dumbass? Corporatists have destroyed our ability to manufacture things and China has got us by the balls. Wise up!
July 19th, 2007 at 8:00 pmreleased by the Labor Department on Friday, also showed that workers saw solid gains in their wages last month.
Comment by Mr. Vice President — July 19, 2007 @ 7:58 pm
What do they mean by solid gains? An extra five bucks a week?
July 19th, 2007 at 8:00 pm“Current approval ratings are in the mid-twenties.” Col. Ripper
Today’s Zogby poll has only 14% of Americans giving the Dem congress positive marks.
July 19th, 2007 at 8:01 pmKeep Ripping em up, Colonel. We salute you.
July 19th, 2007 at 8:01 pm#199
I am not talking about ONE MONTH under W!!!!!!!!!!!!
Compare his entire 6 1/2 years to Clinton’s eight years. That is the only fair comparison.
July 19th, 2007 at 8:03 pmLooks like the Colonel is ripping me a new one.
July 19th, 2007 at 8:04 pm“Clinton added more jobs than this every month of his 8 years in office.”
The unemployment rate now is lower than it was on average for all of the 90’s.
July 19th, 2007 at 8:05 pm209: Because more people have given up looking for work.
July 19th, 2007 at 8:05 pmKeith G., wages went up last month, when you said they went down.
July 19th, 2007 at 8:06 pm209: Yeah, if you think flipping burgers is a job.