Tony Snow: ‘The Al Qaeda Of 2001 No Longer Exists’
Tony Snow: ‘The Al Qaeda Of 2001 No Longer Exists’
On Tuesday, the administration released its latest National Intelligence Report, asserting that al Qaeda has “regenerated key elements of its Homeland attack capability” and is leveraging “the contacts and capabilities” gained via the Iraq war.
In today’s USA Today, White House spokesperson Tony Snow pens an op-ed denying the intelligence report’s conclusions, making disingenuous and historically false claims about the war in Iraq. Below is a rebuttal of his key myths:
SNOW: “We never argued that [Hussein] played a role 9/11; political opponents manufactured the claim.”
FACT: The resolution authorizing force stated,”[m]embers of al Qaida, an organization bearing responsibility for attacks…that occurred on September 11, 2001, are known to be in Iraq.”
SNOW: “The most astonishing argument is the claim the United States (or the Bush administration) is responsible for this terror wave.”
FACT: As the new NIE notes, the Iraq war has spawned al Qaeda in Mesopotamia as the “most visible and capable affiliate” of the original terrorist group. The 2006 NIE stated that the “American presence in Iraq has helped spread radical Islam by providing a focal point for anti-Americanism.”
SNOW: “The al-Qaeda of 2001 no longer exists.”
FACT: The al Qaeda of 2001 is based in Afghanistan and is regenerating — while U.S. forces are mired in Iraq’s civil war. A new threat assessment by the National Counterterrorism Center is titled “Al-Qaida Better Positioned to Strike the West,” showing that al Qaeda has resurged in “operational levels” in the Pakistan-Afghanistan border.
SNOW: “More than anything, al-Qaeda wants the United States to leave Iraq.”
FACT: Al Qaeda leadership supports Bush’s escalation as it gives them more opportunity to launch attacks on U.S. troops. In fact, top al Qaeda deputy Ayman al-Zawahiri opposes withdrawal because, as he stated, it “will deprive us of the opportunity to destroy the American forces which we have caught in a historic trap.”
Snow writes, “Politics sometimes manages to muddle the obvious.” So does Tony Snow.
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Neither does Tony Snow’s credibility…
July 19th, 2007 at 11:58 amWho needs facts when you have spin?
July 19th, 2007 at 11:58 amI disagree with this Republican pundit and/or official.
July 19th, 2007 at 12:00 pm“More than anything, al-Qaeda wants the United States to leave Iraq.â€
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Tony Snow knows that Bush’s few remaining supporters are completely freakin’ ignorant. There it is, folks!
Al Qaeda has been talking about bleeding us white for this entire decade, but Tony Snow can say that black is white ’cause the bushtards only watch FOX.
Pathetic.
July 19th, 2007 at 12:00 pm.
You TP pranksters must love going through the photo archives. By the way, that’s Tony channeling his boss.
July 19th, 2007 at 12:01 pm“We never argued that [Hussein] played a role 9/11; political opponents manufactured the claim.â€
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Absotutely true.
This is one of the biggest (of the many) lies of the Left.
July 19th, 2007 at 12:03 pmUnbelievable.. The masters of disinformation.. This will eventually blow up in their faces. People are starting to wake up.
July 19th, 2007 at 12:03 pmThat picture is awesome. Goofy faces must be contagious when you work around the Chimp-ecider.
July 19th, 2007 at 12:04 pmSNOW: “More than anything, al-Qaeda wants the United States to leave Iraq.â€
He’s not the only one:
Radical Shiite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr has begun to reassert himself in Iraq, reports the New York Times.
“After months of lying low, the anti-American Shiite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr has re-emerged with a shrewd two-tiered strategy that reaches out to Iraqis on the street and distances him from the increasingly unpopular government,” writes Alissa Rubin.
al-Sadr has begun a grassroots campaign that appears to be modeled after Hezbollah in Lebanon and Hamas in Gaza to provide services to Iraqi citizens that the government is not providing. Rubin reports that this is in effect creating a “parallel government” in Iraq.
[. . .]
He has also extended the reach of his Mahdi Army, one of the armed groups that the White House report acknowledged remain entrenched in Iraq. The militia has effectively taken over vast swaths of the capital and is fighting government troops in several southern provinces. Although the militia sometimes uses brutal tactics, including death squads, many vulnerable Shiites are grateful for the protection it affords.
His basic tenets are widely shared. Like most Iraqis, he opposes the American military presence and wants a timetable for departure — if only to attain some certainty that the Americans will leave eventually. He wants the country to stay unified and opposes the efforts of those Shiites who have had close ties to Iran to create a semiautonomous Shiite region in southern Iraq.
July 19th, 2007 at 12:04 pm(definition according to Sourcewatch):
Disinformation is deliberately misleading information announced publicly or leaked by a government, intelligence agency, corporation or other entity for the purpose of influencing opinions or perceptions.
Unlike misinformation, which is also a form of wrong information, disinformation is produced by people who intend to deceive their audience.
A group might plant disinformation in reports, in press releases, in public statements or in practically any other routine, occasional or unusual communique. Disinformation can also be leaked, or covertly released to a source who can be trusted to repeat the false information.
A common disinformation tactic is to mix truth, half-truths, and lies. Disinformants sometimes seek to gain the confidence of their audience through emotional appeals or by using semi-neutral language interlaced with threads of disinformation.
“Disinformation is a fact of life in politics. Those who practice politics for a living call it “spin.” Honest people call it lying through your teeth.” Says Doug Thompson
July 19th, 2007 at 12:05 pm“Durr, this is one of the many lies of the left”
July 19th, 2007 at 12:05 pmNew Def.-If you stand on or in the way of resources, or making mucho $$$$ you ARE al Qaeda
July 19th, 2007 at 12:05 pmThat’s “they’re” not “he’s.”
Sorry folks, hungover.
July 19th, 2007 at 12:06 pmFACT: Al Qaeda leadership supports Bush’s escalation as it gives them more opportunity to launch attacks on U.S. troops. In fact, top al Qaeda deputy Ayman al-Zawahiri opposes withdrawal because, as he stated, it “will deprive us of the opportunity to destroy the American forces which we have caught in a historic trap.â€
Propaganda,
You would believe a terrorist?!?!
Just sayin
July 19th, 2007 at 12:06 pmA lying sack of shit.
July 19th, 2007 at 12:07 pmSNOW: “We never argued that [Hussein] played a role 9/11; political opponents manufactured the claim.â€
Tony then followed with:
SNOW: “Nevermind that several members of the executive and Republican Congressmen are on tape saying the claim over and over and over and over again, it was still manufactured by our political opponents.”
WH PRESS CORPS: “Don’t you think that’s contradicting yourself?”
SNOW: “I stick by my story.”
July 19th, 2007 at 12:07 pmHey, tony: Just ignore that reality – it really isn’t real.
he’s a liar, and will, in the end, pay for his lies.
July 19th, 2007 at 12:09 pmJG? Is that for Jeff Gannon?
“People are starting to wake up”. Yeah, right. They’ll wake up, take a leak, grab a burger and go back watching re-runs of American Idol. Face it. No-one’s hearing your whining.
July 19th, 2007 at 12:09 pmThis is one of the biggest (of the many) lies of the Left.
Comment by Ringo
PSSST… Ringo… Mr P says, “meet me at the poolhouse this afternoon…”
July 19th, 2007 at 12:12 pmLying helps the cancer pain go away. Tony hasn’t felt pain in awhile now.
July 19th, 2007 at 12:12 pmI understand what you are saying Boudin Bob, but where I am I have to say I don’t agree. More and more people are talking about all of this. In fact, I find we talk about what is happening and what needs to be done constantly. Even with people I don’t know as well or run itnto on the street. Conversation comes around to what is happening. That is how change will come about. The people have to wake up, get mad enough and start acting on their own.
July 19th, 2007 at 12:12 pm“Absotutely true.”
Not quite. For the most part, it’s technically true, while at the same time it’s a meaningless statement, since I’m not aware of anyone on “the Left” who actually accused the administration of that specifically. What we did accuse the administration of is undisputably true: the Bush administration time and time again linked the Iraq war to 9/11 and linked those we were fighting there to those who attacked us on that date.
“This is one of the biggest (of the many) lies of the Left.”
Sorry, but you’re going to have to do better than this.
July 19th, 2007 at 12:13 pmBush, his minions, and their followers are resembling a cult more and more everyday. “We must blow up the moon before Al Queda uses it as a base to launch attacks against us.” Bush followers: Yes, yes, arm the space shuttle with nukes! Obliverate the moon!
July 19th, 2007 at 12:13 pmGood to see TP intently posting the goofiest picture they can find.
July 19th, 2007 at 12:13 pmCaption:
“Guess who I’m impersonating?
July 19th, 2007 at 12:13 pmAww, c’mon, it’s easy!
Yes, you there in the back…
You got it!
Fred Thompson!
Next question….”
“You would believe a terrorist?!?!”
Why not? The Bush administration does.
July 19th, 2007 at 12:13 pmAnyone listening to Thom Hartmann? Did you hear what he just read (new Presidential Directive)?
July 19th, 2007 at 12:15 pmWhy not? The Bush administration does.
Comment by PaulB
Only after lots of torture
July 19th, 2007 at 12:15 pmPropaganda,
You would believe a terrorist?!?!
Just sayin
Afghanistan. USSR. Look it up.
AQ has been talking the talk and walking the walk since before Bush invaded Iraq. This is what they want and it’s working for them.
Bush will stay in Iraq because of his ego. He doesn’t care that he’s helping the enemy. That’s why the president is a traitor.
July 19th, 2007 at 12:15 pm.
Jingo sez:
Izzat so?
Courtesy of truthout.org:
In a March speech about Iraq’s “weapons of terror,” Bush said: “If the world fails to confront the threat posed by the Iraqi regime, refusing to use force, even as a last resort, free nations would assume immense and unacceptable risks. The attacks of September the 11th, 2001, showed what the enemies of America did with four airplanes. We will not wait to see what terrorists or terrorist states could do with weapons of mass destruction.”
Then, in declaring the end of major combat in Iraq on May 1, Bush linked Iraq and the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks: “The battle of Iraq is one victory in a war on terror that began on September the 11, 2001 — and still goes on. That terrible morning, 19 evil men — the shock troops of a hateful ideology — gave America and the civilized world a glimpse of their ambitions.”
Moments later, Bush added: “The liberation of Iraq is a crucial advance in the campaign against terror. We’ve removed an ally of al Qaeda, and cut off a source of terrorist funding. And this much is certain: No terrorist network will gain weapons of mass destruction from the Iraqi regime, because the regime is no more. In these 19 months that changed the world, our actions have been focused and deliberate and proportionate to the offense. We have not forgotten the victims of September the 11th — the last phone calls, the cold murder of children, the searches in the rubble. With those attacks, the terrorists and their supporters declared war on the United States. And war is what they got.”
A number of nongovernment officials close to the Bush administration have made the link more directly. Richard N. Perle, who until recently was chairman of the Pentagon’s Defense Policy Board, long argued that there was Iraqi involvement, calling the evidence “overwhelming.”
July 19th, 2007 at 12:15 pmAsked why Iraq is the central front in the War on Terra Bush replied, “because Bin Laden said it was. “
July 19th, 2007 at 12:16 pmExecutive Order (not Directive)
July 19th, 2007 at 12:16 pmWhy would al Qaeda want us to leave Iraq? That’s their biggest recruiting tool. Bin Laden wanted two things out of 9/11: to get our military out of Saudi Arabia and to get us mired in a prolonged guerilla war in the MIddle East, just like he’d done to the Soviet Union in Afghanistan.
Bush gave him both of the things he wanted.
July 19th, 2007 at 12:16 pmSpeaking as someone who’se lost a family member to cancer, can we just leave that out of any critiques of Snow? It is not something he (or anyone) has any control over. It degrades us all when someone points at illness as a sign of corruption. It’s Dark Ages thinking…
July 19th, 2007 at 12:17 pmCT, when the man blatantly lies, obscures, sidesteps the truth the way Yellow Snow does there is nothing wrong in showing a picture that properly displays the wretch for what he is.
Care to dispute any of the facts above on this thread? Snow says one thing but those pesky facts and historical notes show the opposite.
The picture is fine. The disstortion Yellow Snow pushes is reflected in the picture.
July 19th, 2007 at 12:17 pmCT_V1 sez:
I think the word you’re groping for is “intentionally”.
As always, no charge.
July 19th, 2007 at 12:17 pmGood to see TP intently posting the goofiest picture they can find.
Comment by C**T_V1 — July 19, 2007 @ 12:13 pm
Good to see that C**T V1 has nothing to contribute to the conversation.
Oh, wait — that’s a forgone conclusion. Never mind.
What a C**T.
July 19th, 2007 at 12:18 pmSnow is really struggling here.
Denial is a powerful tool, but Tony, look at your naked Emperor!
July 19th, 2007 at 12:19 pm#1 Neither does Tony Snow’s credibility…
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity
Remember! He came from Faux NoNooz, so he didn’t bring any with him to start with!
July 19th, 2007 at 12:21 pmGreat picture!
Looks like SnowJob is impersonating Fred Gwynn’s character from “The Munsters”. How appropriate.
July 19th, 2007 at 12:21 pmSept, 2006, Cheney on Meet the Press:
“If we’re successful in Iraq . . . then we will have struck a major blow right at the heart of the base, if you will, the geographic base of the terrorists who had us under assault now for many years, but most especially on 9/11.”
Sounds like he’s connecting Iraq to 9/11 to me!
July 19th, 2007 at 12:21 pmto ask the obvious: why does USA Today print this crap?
July 19th, 2007 at 12:22 pmI guess that when Pres. Chimpy says “history will decide” whether or not he has been right all along, he’s talking about Mr. Snow’s personal version of history.
And if that’s the case, Chimpy will be rewritten as the best president this country has ever seen. Practically walking on water at the State of the Union Address.
This is sickening.
July 19th, 2007 at 12:22 pmwe need the press corp to give mr snowjob some follow up questions regarding his lies…. anyone know how to identify and contact the press corp?
July 19th, 2007 at 12:22 pmExecutive Order: Blocking Property of Certain Persons Who Threaten Stabilization Efforts in Iraq – July 17, 2007
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2007/07/20070717-3.html
Could this apply to anyone here in the US such as Peace Activists or Legislators trying to change course, etc..? Anyone who may try and stop the funding?
This is nuts.
July 19th, 2007 at 12:23 pmAdd Tony to the DC Madam’s list.
I know he loves playing with flutes…
July 19th, 2007 at 12:23 pmHey! This story is “fair and balanced!”. kinda. Like the health care system. Perfect. No problems there.
July 19th, 2007 at 12:24 pmComment by mikey r — July 19, 2007 @ 12:18 pm
I’m still pointing and lauging at you, mikey.
Change your handle while you’re at it.
Why does mikey r hate America?
July 19th, 2007 at 12:24 pmNew Orleans,
Don’t worry! The Katrina of 2005 no longer exists!
July 19th, 2007 at 12:25 pmThom Hartmann is talking with Paul Craig Roberts. This is a great interview.
July 19th, 2007 at 12:25 pmspeaking of black is white, good is evil…. did anyone catch the daily show last night with matt groening? the part where he talked about fox banning them from using totally ridiculous tickers in the cartoon on tv because actual fox views might think its true?
HOLY F*CKING DOG SH*T BATMAN!
July 19th, 2007 at 12:25 pmwe need the press corp to give mr snowjob some follow up questions regarding his lies…. anyone know how to identify and contact the press corp?
Comment by Fan_of_Man
They’re too worried about losing their access to the White House to ask any questions. If they loose access they loose their jobs.
July 19th, 2007 at 12:25 pmComment by TripMaster Monkey — July 19, 2007 @ 12:17 pm
As always, you’re a surrender monkey and a radical leftist. In other words, you know absolutely nothing.
Go make yourself a sandwich.
July 19th, 2007 at 12:26 pmTripMaster Monkey,
And where does he say that Hussein played a role 9/11?.
You people are not only stupid, you’re stupid liars.
July 19th, 2007 at 12:27 pmComment by mikey r
C**T
C**T
C**T
C**T
July 19th, 2007 at 12:27 pm#45, he is getting SCARED!
July 19th, 2007 at 12:28 pmAs always, you’re a surrender monkey and a radical leftist. In other words, you know absolutely nothing.
Malapropism. You did it, he nailed it, and now (as if we needed any more proof) we know you’re an idiot.
Whining about it won’t make you look any smarter, you know.
July 19th, 2007 at 12:28 pm.
Only in C**T V1’s bizarre little world does pointing out that C**T V1 is a little C**T mean that someone “hates America”.
Wow. I thought you were gonna “bring it”, C**T. That’s the best you got?
Laughing and pointing? “Change your handle”? “hates America”?
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
I think it’s done been brought, but it musta all slipped through your fingers when you was bringin’ it, ’cause there ain’t nothing there.
Poor little C**T.
July 19th, 2007 at 12:29 pmTony Snowjob and Faux Snooze.. Ahyuk ahyuk ahyuk.. you guys are so clever
July 19th, 2007 at 12:30 pmAnd where does he say that Hussein played a role 9/11?.
Looks like somebody didn’t read the whole thing.
Another bushtard with a short attention span. Who knew?
July 19th, 2007 at 12:30 pm.
We should work on catching the several terrorist Als in our country, the Al-Qaeda, the Al-Sharpton, the Al-Franken and the Al-Gore.
July 19th, 2007 at 12:30 pmAhyuk ahyuk ahyuk.. you guys are so clever
Cleverer than bushtards, but that’s not saying much.
July 19th, 2007 at 12:31 pm.
AS always, C**T V1 has nothing but juvenile name-calling.
I guess that what happens when the world turns and suddenly you find you’re on the wrong side of everything.
Poor little C**T.
July 19th, 2007 at 12:31 pmhttp://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article18020.htm
July 19th, 2007 at 12:31 pm“Impeach Now – Or Face the End of Constitutional Democracy”
By PAUL CRAIG ROBERTS
I watched both of my parents die from cancer, and it wasn’t pretty.
BUT, neither of them lied, or shilled for the WORST, SCUMMIEST, MOST _CRIMINAL_ excuse, for a presidential administration in Our history.
So, mr. snowjob, it might be fun , in your case……………………………..
Too bad I don’t believe in divine retribution-
July 19th, 2007 at 12:31 pmthe trouble is when simplton sympathizers advocate for this kind of historical rewrite because they, for partisan reasons, think it will help their “party” or their class.
July 19th, 2007 at 12:32 pmThey usually are too stupid to realize that the only class these Administration bastards care about, will never open up to them and they actually view them with more contemp than they do the liberals who are trying to stop them.
Because they know that at least the liberals see the writing on the wall and the sycophant right-wing wanna-bes are just lambs herding themselves to slaughter.
Good thing there is only 26% of the American citizens who are this obtuse.
Comment by mikey r — July 19, 2007 @ 12:29 pm
Your posts are a super-easy skip. They contain the cogent C**T, the links of C**T and the other distinguished sources of C**T.
C**T
C**T
C**T
Yeah, it’s a nice scroll-over, son.
(Credit: Mykeey r, JuNiOr.)
July 19th, 2007 at 12:33 pm“Al Qeada” is such an amorphous term. It used to be mujahedin. Now, anything that is mujahedin, wahabi, or even just sunni extremism, is labeled as “Al Qeada.”
These disparate groups don’t even communicate with each other, yet by labeling them all the same, it gives the impression that they are one huge connected organization.
It’s not like the IRA, the PLO, or even Hizbollah.
It’s just some amorphous term used to refer to some phantom menace out there trying to “get us.” It’s even worse than saying “the terrorists.”
July 19th, 2007 at 12:34 pmA lousy photo to go along with lousy propaganda. In other words, it’s a regular day for the TP writing staff.
July 19th, 2007 at 12:35 pmCAPTION:
“Where are the bolts for my neck”?
July 19th, 2007 at 12:35 pm“Your posts are a super-easy skip”
Dear heart, considering your own contributions here, I’d be careful of those stones I’m throwing. Your glass house is quite fragile.
July 19th, 2007 at 12:35 pm#41 #41 Sept, 2006, Cheney on Meet the Press:
“If we’re successful in Iraq . . . then we will have struck a major blow right at the heart of the base, if you will, the geographic base of the terrorists who had us under assault now for many years, but most especially on 9/11.â€
Sounds like he’s connecting Iraq to 9/11 to me!
Comment by Candyce
And we wonder why over 40% of the sheeple in this contry still believe that Saddam was involved in 9/11!!
July 19th, 2007 at 12:36 pmjesus built my hot-rod
and al Qaeda details it.
July 19th, 2007 at 12:36 pmA lousy photo to go along with lousy propaganda. In other words, it’s a regular day for the TP writing staff.
You’re so cute when you run away from facts you can’t handle.
July 19th, 2007 at 12:36 pm.
“A lousy photo to go along with lousy propaganda.”
LOL… Nice of you to admit that Snow’s piece was “lousy propaganda.”
July 19th, 2007 at 12:36 pmWhatta picture of Mr. Snowjob. Looks like Herman Munster!
July 19th, 2007 at 12:37 pmThank you, Alejandro! Right on the money. Al Qaeda in Iraq isn’t operationally associated with Osama’s Al Qaeda in any way. Two distinct entities.
July 19th, 2007 at 12:38 pmTony Snow can now blame his stupidity on his medication. Before he was just a suck up idiot. No wonder the world leaders are laughing at the Bush Administration. A General in Iraq announced that the US had picked up a high ranking Al Qaeda leader who did a video and worked side by side with Bin Ladin. Big headline news for the Bush Administration.
July 19th, 2007 at 12:38 pmJust one problem the person was a make believe fake name/person. It’s like hearing the US has capture Voldemort for Harry Potter. The US can’t tell fiction for reality and making the US a joke of the world.
Look up in the sky Bush it’s a plane it’s a bird no it’s Superman or Neo.
Looks like somebody didn’t read the whole thing.
Another bushtard with a short attention span. Who knew?
Comment by Grand Moff Texan — July 19, 2007 @ 12:30 pm
I think the trolls’ point is that the words “Hussein played a role in 9/11″ don’t appear word-for-word and in that order.
I think that’s a fair objection from Ringo’s point of view, because you know how literal-minded these people can be. Literal interpretation of the Bible, literal interpretation of the Constitution…
I still don’t understand how they can be so slavishly devoted to literalism yet claim that liberals “hate America”, when not a single liberal has ever said such a thing…
Oh, that’s right — they’re hypocrites! I keep forgetting.
July 19th, 2007 at 12:38 pm“And where does he say that Hussein played a role 9/11?”
Looks like somebody didn’t read the whole thing.
Another bushtard with a short attention span. Who knew?
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Comment by Grand Mufti Texan
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Where does he say it then?….Please show me.
And shouldn’t you be working on your next big article? I can hardly wait to read it.
July 19th, 2007 at 12:38 pmIt’s irresponsible, to put it mildly, for the primary spokesperson for the administration to be pumping out propaganda like this on such an important matter.
Our military, our ability to defend this nation, is rapidly being depleted. Our ability to find anyone on this earth to partner with us in defending against terrorism or nuclear proliferation, or even to stop the spread of sophisticated weapons that can be used against us is deteriorating. Our continued presence in Iraq is not making us or anyone else safer, but it is building up the strength of those who would like to commit acts of terrorism against us anywhere that they can.
And, what is it that drives Tony Snow? What is it that he sees as the most important thing he can do with his mouth and his pen? Shield the president from criticism. Nothing matters so much to him but to deflect blame, deny facts, re-frame arguments, thwart inquiry, and shield the president’s fragile ego from the humiliation of being corrected.
It’s more important to Snow than anything else that he keep Bush far away from the realization that he’s destroying this country, and doing a fair amount of damage to the rest of the world, as well. Nobody’s lives and no number of lives enter into the equation. Snow doesn’t give them a second’s thought as he churns out this Orwellian swill.
Get rid of these scumbags now. I was hoping that Snow’s recurring bouts with cancer might humble him a little or at least make him a wee bit more introspective. Not a chance. I give up on this piece of crap. I hope it eats him alive.
July 19th, 2007 at 12:40 pmWhere does he say it then?….Please show me.
OK:
Richard N. Perle, who until recently was chairman of the Pentagon’s Defense Policy Board, long argued that there was Iraqi involvement, calling the evidence “overwhelming.â€
No charge, moron.
July 19th, 2007 at 12:40 pm.
“durr.. where does it say it then?.. Please show me.. durr”
July 19th, 2007 at 12:40 pmPoor C**T V1.
Poor little C**T.
July 19th, 2007 at 12:42 pm“I think the trolls’ point is that the words ‘Hussein played a role in 9/11′ don’t appear word-for-word and in that order.”
Actually, it’s even worse than that, since few, if any of us, have ever accused Bush of saying precisely that. And when you limit it to “political opponent,” I doubt you can find anyone saying that. Tony Snow set up a strawman argument rather than dealing with what was actually said.
July 19th, 2007 at 12:42 pmCT_V1 sez:
As always, you have nothing of substance to offer, and instead spit vitriol at me at every opportunity. Careful…don’t get obsessed with me… ^_^
Hmm…a sandwich sounds good…
July 19th, 2007 at 12:44 pmRingo, go ahead and parse the Cheney quote. Here, I’ll even repost it for you to make it easy. Tell me how he isn’t connecting Iraq with 9/11.
“If we’re successful in Iraq . . . then we will have struck a major blow right at the heart of the base, if you will, the geographic base of the terrorists who had us under assault now for many years, but most especially on 9/11.â€
July 19th, 2007 at 12:45 pmJingo sez:
There’s that appalling lack of reading comprehension again. Tsk tsk.
Go back, and actually read the material I provided for you. Repeat as necessary until you comprehend the material.
July 19th, 2007 at 12:46 pmSNOW: “The al-Qaeda of 2001 no longer exists
Nope, we got’s us an all together New & Improved AQ in Iraq. Order now, operators are standing by.
July 19th, 2007 at 12:47 pmGrand Moff Texan,
“overwhelming.â€
One word in quotes?…..That’s it?
Could you please provide a link to the entire quote, in context.
Pathetic.
You people sound like you’re really trying to convince youselves
of you own lies and distortions.
Get back to your big article.
July 19th, 2007 at 12:47 pm41% of Americans still think Sadam had close involvement with 9/11, and that we have found WMD in Iraq.
Where in the world would they get that idea Tony? Where indeed?
Poor Chimpf*ck Bush can’t say Iraq without saying 9/11 in the same sentence.
Why do we have to share our country with these pitifully and willfully ignorant pieces of slimy dogshit?
July 19th, 2007 at 12:47 pmI find it hard to accept that you actually believe the garbage you spit out. Either you are completely ignoring the FACTS that have been mentioned by TP and the other posters, or you find it fun to make light out and mock the situation in Iraq which has taken too many American lives (not to mention Iraqi). Many of those live were my comrades and friends.
I ask the question that has been asked over and over with no good answer – If this occupation is SO noble and you believe we are under a great threat, then why don’t you enlist to help lighten the load on our overburdened and underfunded military? Why don’t you call on the American people to sacrifice and have a draft?
If you believe the unsubstantiated garbage that you spew, then there are only a couple of reasons why you don’t do the above. Either you don’t think this country is worth fighting for, or you are a COWARD.
I re-signed up even though I didn’t agree to the premise because I felt my country and fellow Marines needed me and I thought I might be able to make a difference. As it turns out, the country I love and vowed to defend was being dismantled while I was fighting for it. In addition, the leadership of this country is hanging the military out to dry. We went to provide security so that we could start reconstruction. I did my job – I provided the security, but the reconstruction NEVER came.
What have you done besides insulting every soldier that has ever fought AND DIED for the ideals of this once great country.
July 19th, 2007 at 12:49 pm“durr.. you’re trying to convince yourselves of your own lies and distortions DURRR”
July 19th, 2007 at 12:49 pmZogby Poll Feb 28, 2006 of our troops in Iraq: 72% said ALL troops should be out by Feb 2007. That puts them well to the left of the Democratic leadership. I wonder what the % would have been if 90% of them did not have the false belief that the war was retaliation for Iraq’s role in 9/11?
http://zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=1075
How did 90% of our troops get the belief that they were engaging in retaliation for Iraq’s role in 9/11? Really, how did this happen if it was never said?
July 19th, 2007 at 12:49 pmComment by PaulB — July 19, 2007 @ 12:36 pm
Lefty reading and comprehension abilities don’t go far, I know.
July 19th, 2007 at 12:50 pm“overwhelming.â€
One word in quotes?…..That’s it?
No, that’s not it, as anyone who can read would tell you. And, it’s only one example, others are on this thread.
Coward. You don’t have the guts to confront the facts.
July 19th, 2007 at 12:50 pm.
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July 19th, 2007 at 12:51 pmComment by DanCaveman — July 19, 2007 @ 12:49 pm
Excellent post, DC, but I’m afraid it “pearls before swine”. CT_V1 probably understood about one word out of three.
July 19th, 2007 at 12:51 pmCandyce,
“If we’re successful in Iraq . . . then we will have struck a major blow right at the heart of the base, if you will, the geographic base of the terrorists who had us under assault now for many years, but most especially on 9/11.â€
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Cheney said this in 2006, years after our invasion, at a time when we were (and still are) fighting against al-Qaeda in Iraq.
How stupid are you morons?
July 19th, 2007 at 12:51 pm“The Terrorists are responsible for terrorism, period”
What about the Clenis? Wingnuts used to believe it was all Bill’s fault.
July 19th, 2007 at 12:51 pmYou would believe a terrorist? NO.
But I guess my question to you would be:
“why are you doing exactly what that terrorist said he wants you to do?”
July 19th, 2007 at 12:52 pmDanCaveman,
It has been my experience that they never read and comprehend the TP articles. They just barge in with their prejudice and talking points.
July 19th, 2007 at 12:52 pmCheney said this in 2006, years after our invasion, at a time when we were (and still are) fighting against al-Qaeda in Iraq.
Yes, and Tony Snow just said:
“We never argued that [Hussein] played a role 9/11; political opponents manufactured the claim.â€
That’s the point of this whole thread. Or are you going to debate the meaning of “never”?
Keep moving the goal posts, coward.
July 19th, 2007 at 12:53 pm.
What kind of person would choose to support a pathetic loser’s ego ahead of our country and soldiers? Why is Bush such a God to these people that they are willing to ignore reality and blindly swallow the loads of bullshit that spew from these pukes?
Trolls are subhuman.
July 19th, 2007 at 12:53 pm“durr you guys are m m m morons! DURR”
July 19th, 2007 at 12:54 pmWow the maturity of the republicans who post here does not bode well for their party. CT_V1 is the new face of the republican party, full of hate.
July 19th, 2007 at 12:55 pmYes, and Tony Snow just said:
“We never argued that [Hussein] played a role 9/11; political opponents manufactured the claim.â€
That’s the point of this whole thread. Or are you going to debate the meaning of “never�
Keep moving the goal posts, coward.
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Comment by Grand Moff Texan
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Good Lord…Cheney never mentions Hussein in the quote.
Where did you say you got all those degrees from?
July 19th, 2007 at 12:56 pmDoes it serve any useful purpose for the press to assemble and collect lies from the administration? Can’t editors find more useful work for their reporters? Mr. Snowjob could dump the same garbage straight into a video camera. The only role for the press in this charade is to provide the illusion of responsiveness. Their current role is similar to the audience in a game show or a sitcom: they fill the seats and liven up the room a bit.
July 19th, 2007 at 12:56 pmNo, the posters on this site are trying to put the facts that people like you keep conveniently ignoring.
My comments to CT apply to you and everyone else here who wants to call me a coward for fighting for this country on the battlefield and then returning home to find that the real fight is here with those that have Usurped our ideals and replaced it with fear and ignorance.
July 19th, 2007 at 12:56 pmtony is quite the reverse barometer.
July 19th, 2007 at 12:57 pmComment by DanCaveman — July 19, 2007 @ 12:49 pm
I’m not insulting any service member. I’m sorry, but you’ve taken my words out of context. Regardless, I thank you infinitely for your service.
July 19th, 2007 at 12:59 pmGood Lord…Cheney never mentions Hussein in the quote.
Where did you say you got all those degrees from?
Comment by Ringo — July 19, 2007 @ 12:56 pm
Told you. L-I-T-E-R-A-L.
Nuance need not apply. “Hussein” and “Iraq” are TOTALLY different words.
I’m guessing Ringo didn’t do so hot on the SAT.
July 19th, 2007 at 1:00 pmGood Lord…Cheney never mentions Hussein in the quote.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Right, ’cause “Iraq” was being run by the Tooth Fairy back in 2001.
First you try to ignore the citation, then you quibble about never, then you try to play fast and loose with the meaning of “Iraq.”
Take a good look, folks. This is what’s left of the Republican party.
Thanks for your concern, but my article is done. I got my degrees where I learned to ram your ignorance right back up your ass where it came from.
Keep running, coward.
July 19th, 2007 at 1:00 pm.
Everybody in this Admin. are liars, crooks, and do nothing but trample on the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.
550 more days of this madness.
But, just think how many more crimes can be committed in that time?!?
July 19th, 2007 at 1:00 pmWe shoved his nose in the facts and he still doesn’t have the guts to face them.
Simply amazing.
July 19th, 2007 at 1:03 pm.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Right, ’cause “Iraq†was being run by the Tooth Fairy back in 2001.
Comment by Grand Moff Texan
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Cheney made the comment in 2006!
By 2006 we were fighting (and still are) fighting al-Qaeda, as well as other militant Islamists, IN IRAQ.
Grow a brain.
July 19th, 2007 at 1:04 pmThis place is populated by dim-wits.
July 19th, 2007 at 1:06 pmCheney made the comment in 2006!
Read. The. Quote.
Iraq is “the geographic base of the terrorists who had us under assault now for many years, but most especially on 9/11.”
Or are you going to say that Cheney was talking about 9/1106?
Miserable coward.
July 19th, 2007 at 1:06 pm.
And where does he say that Hussein played a role 9/11?.
You people are not only stupid, you’re stupid liars.
Comment by Ringo — July 19, 2007 @ 12:27 pm
Right, because so much of what went on in Iraq during Hussein’s reign happened without his direct involvement or explicit consent. Nice try Ringo, your reading comprehension really makes it tough to get the implication of Iraq (led by that iron-fisted dictator Saddam) working with alQaeda and supporting their efforts (which resulted in 9/11). You don’t need to claim Saddam got those SAUDI hijackers their fake passports to infer his alleged involvement.
E G OT
July 19th, 2007 at 1:06 pmNow we know why Tony Snow does what he does. He’s relying on people like Ringo, hiding in their spider-holes.
July 19th, 2007 at 1:07 pm.
Executive Order: Blocking Property of Certain Persons Who Threaten Stabilization Efforts in Iraq – July 17, 2007
http://www.whitehouse.gov/ news/ releases/ 2007/ 07/ 20070717-3.html
Could this apply to anyone here in the US such as Peace Activists or Legislators trying to change course, etc..? Anyone who may try and stop the funding?
This is nuts.
Comment by JG — July 19, 2007 @ 12:23 pm
Well, the text specifically refers to acts of violence that threaten stability in Iraq. It’d be a really convoluted legal argument to say that somehow a protest in the U.S. provided material support to a bombing in Diyala.
It would be nice if it included acts of mismanagement, though – Jerry Bremer would never work again.
July 19th, 2007 at 1:07 pmHold on a minute, TripMaster Monkey’s at the door.
July 19th, 2007 at 1:08 pmMy comments to CT apply to you and everyone else here who wants to call me a coward for fighting for this country on the battlefield and then returning home to find that the real fight is here with those that have Usurped our ideals and replaced it with fear and ignorance.
Comment by DanCaveman
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I didn’t call you a coward.
In fact, I never adressed you at all.
July 19th, 2007 at 1:08 pmThis place is populated by dim-wits.
Comment by Ringo
You could raise the collective IQ of this thread by taking your cowardly ass elsewhere.
Or you could just stick around and get the shit kicked out of you … again.
July 19th, 2007 at 1:08 pm.
“Lefty reading and comprehension abilities don’t go far, I know.”
LOL… Oh, the irony….
That’s it? That’s the best you’ve got? Pathetic…
July 19th, 2007 at 1:09 pmSNOW: “The al-Qaeda of 2001 no longer exists.â€
Get that Mission Accomplished banner out of mothballs!
July 19th, 2007 at 1:10 pm“What have you done besides insulting every soldier that has ever fought AND DIED for the ideals of this once great country?
Comment by DanCaveman — July 19, 2007 “
“I’m not insulting any service member. I’m sorry, but you’ve taken my words out of context.
Comment by CT_V1 — July 19, 2007″
so dan says he’s insulted by what you write, and you tell him he’s wrong: real nice. that in itself is insulting. plus you never answered his question.
July 19th, 2007 at 1:10 pm“durrr dim-wits. durrr”
July 19th, 2007 at 1:11 pmOk, I’m back. TripMaster Monkey provided some pointers to offer fake support to a service member, then quickly left. He’s a good friend of mine.
July 19th, 2007 at 1:11 pmI didn’t call you a coward.
In fact, I never adressed you at all.
Comment by Ringo
Actually, by weighing in on a matter that Dan was intimately involved in you indirectly addressed him. Which is quite different than the way this admin. DIRECTLY and PURPOSEFULLY conflated Iraq (run by SADDAM HUSSEIN, the man who had the final say in what happened there) with alQaeda and 9/11.
Ringo, you’re amazing. And not in a good way.
July 19th, 2007 at 1:12 pm“The al-Qaeda of 2001 no longer exists.â€
but the bin laden and zawahiri of 2001 do exist. heckuva job, bushie.
July 19th, 2007 at 1:13 pmComment by SURRENDERA MONKISTA! — July 19, 2007 @ 1:08 pm
Do I really frighten you that much, CT?
July 19th, 2007 at 1:13 pmThe Bush Administration is the best friend Al Qaida could ever have.
July 19th, 2007 at 1:13 pmComment by cha cha cha — July 19, 2007 @ 1:10 pm
As I’ve said, I never wrote anything insulting, so you don’t get to pretend that I did. Quit grandstanding.
July 19th, 2007 at 1:14 pmRingo’s like the good wife defending her husband against charges that he is raping their 12 year old daughter. She ignores the bloody sheet and the screams at night. “He’s a good man, he wouldn’t do that!”
Sure he’s a good man, Ringo, just ask KKKarl.
Take another pill, pull the pillow over your head so you don’t see what’s going on with Bush and the Boyz.
Pitiful apologist. Why do you need to worship your father figure? Were you raped by your own Daddy and still supressing the feelings?
July 19th, 2007 at 1:14 pmTony Snow, short version: “Don’t ask me how 41% of Americans came to believe Saddam had something to do with 9/11! I have no idea how they got that wacky impression.”
July 19th, 2007 at 1:15 pmDo I really frighten you that much, CT?
Comment by TripMaster Monkey — July 19, 2007 @ 1:13 pm
We’ll given that you’re Al-Qaeda’s equivalent, you should be deported to their country. The surrendera monkista will fill-out the necessary paperwork.
July 19th, 2007 at 1:16 pmSNOW: “More than anything, al-Qaeda wants the United States to leave Iraq.â€
vs.
â€We will press ahead with this policy of attrition [against] America until it is bankruptâ€â€”bin Laden / â€The war in Iraq is costing American taxpayers an estimated $10 billion a month.â€
July 19th, 2007 at 1:17 pmTrip Master,
Please quit supporting truth.
This only emboldens the enemy.
July 19th, 2007 at 1:18 pmYay! Good to see our resident troll (notice: that would be singular, not plural) is here entertaining itself with non informative posts.
July 19th, 2007 at 1:18 pmSSDD!
al queda of 2001 doesn’t exist? because 2/3 of their leaders have been killed or captured? that’s pathetic. what about osama bin ladin? more disinformation from snow. later when the left argues that snow said al queda of 2001 doesn’t exist anymore the bushies will say “…that’s right because today is 2007 so how can the al queda of 2001 exist?” it really galls me to read the bushie comments that the chimp didn’t implicate iraq for the 9/11 bombings. the bushies want to split hairs on exactlllllllly what he said. look. bush wanted us to believe that iraq attacked us so he could get america to support his invasion. it really is that simple.
July 19th, 2007 at 1:20 pmAs I’ve said, I never wrote anything insulting, so you don’t get to pretend that I did. Quit grandstanding.
Comment by CT_V1 — July 19, 2007 @ 1:14 pm
What is it about our men and women in uniform that you hate so much? First you want to get them killed in a pointless war, and then you insult them for expressing their opinions. It’s like you not only hate our troops, but you also hate our freedoms!
If you hate this country so much, there are about 180 others that would be glad to have you.
July 19th, 2007 at 1:20 pmMr. President eats his own feces, too. I’ve seen him.
He only does it when he’s lonely.
July 19th, 2007 at 1:21 pmPitiful apologist. Why do you need to worship your father figure? Were you raped by your own Daddy and still supressing the feelings?
Comment by nanlichi
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I don’t worship Bush. He’s made a lot of mistakes and I disagree with him on many issues.
I just think you people are freakin’ crazy.
July 19th, 2007 at 1:21 pmSorry Lefties!!!
We aren’t going to invite your muslim masters over,
they are not welcome!!!
Comment by Mr. President — July 19, 2007 @ 1:20 pm
Neither are you. If you don’t like the freedom of religion we have in this country, I invite you to please leave.
July 19th, 2007 at 1:22 pm“The al-Qaeda of 2001 no longer exists.â€
right, they’re even more motivated to attack us now…
July 19th, 2007 at 1:23 pmHe only does it when he’s lonely.
Comment by Mr. President’s Tube Sock — July 19, 2007 @ 1:21 pm
24/7, then.
July 19th, 2007 at 1:26 pmI am calling bullshit on that one Ringo.
The defining act of Bush’s existence is his Iraq War. He lied to us, misdirected our efforts from chasing the perps of 9/11 to Iraq for his personal vendetta, and continues to lie and manipulate the public to keep from admitting he was dead wrong.
And you apologists defend his actions.
I have seen your posts. You are a prototypical Bushie who can’t do anything but defend these evil bastards.
STFU then ESAD
July 19th, 2007 at 1:28 pm“I, on the other hand, am staying here.
Comment by Mr. President — July 19, 2007″
“here” being his parents’ house, of course.
July 19th, 2007 at 1:28 pmWhy we are in Iraq
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Printable.asp?ID=16103
By David Horowitz
He says it all, but I doubt you’ll even read it.
Intellectual curiosity has never been a trait of the Left.
July 19th, 2007 at 1:29 pmOur Christian masters are already here.
July 19th, 2007 at 1:29 pmComment by toasterhead — July 19, 2007 @ 1:20 pm
You’re making stuff up up as you go along, Mr. Chowderhead. I was simply making it clear that I wasn’t insulting him. I hadn’t even spoken to the gentleman. Misunderstandings happen to everybody.
July 19th, 2007 at 1:30 pmSTFU then ESAD
Comment by nanlichi
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What’s ESAD?
Sorry, I’m not a nerd.
July 19th, 2007 at 1:30 pmThat’s not a human face. That’s a Reptoid!
July 19th, 2007 at 1:31 pmTeam Bush has won the war on credibility. Their credibility is now in its last throes.
July 19th, 2007 at 1:31 pmSTFU then ESAD
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Oh….Eat Shit And Die.
Nice.
July 19th, 2007 at 1:32 pmSo long mush heads.
July 19th, 2007 at 1:33 pm“I, on the other hand, am staying here.
Comment by Mr. President — July 19, 2007″
“here†being his parents’ house, of course.
Comment by pgw — July 19, 2007 @ 1:28 pm
More specifically, the basement. He’s not allowed in the main part of the house anymore, not since “the incident”.
July 19th, 2007 at 1:33 pmYou guys are just plain nutz.
Comment by Mr. President — July 19, 2007 @ 1:29 pm
When’s TP going to sell plushy Al-Qaeda dolls?
Tag line: “If you like the dolls, you’ll love them when you see them in-person at the TP newsroom. Drop by sometime.”
July 19th, 2007 at 1:35 pmSo long mush heads.
Comment by Ringo — July 19, 2007 @ 1:33 pm
What an odd thing for Ringo to say.
July 19th, 2007 at 1:36 pmnot since “the incidentâ€.
Comment by mikey r — July 19, 2007 @ 1:33 pm
why, oh why, do I have this strange feeling the “incident” in question involves his older sister’s underwear drawer?
July 19th, 2007 at 1:36 pmYecch!
I can tell you a story about Mr. President’s nuts, though… I’m pretty sure they haven’t fully descended yet — that’s what Mr. President’s Skid-marked Skivvies tell me anyway. But he actually cuts holes in his pants pockets so he can fumble with them at school. He thinks people don’t know, but they all laugh about him behind his back. I think he knows that they laugh at him, because he spends a lot of time at his computer and he doesn’t have any friends except you guys here at TP.
July 19th, 2007 at 1:37 pm“If you like the dolls, you’ll love them when you see them in-person at the TP newsroom?
Comment by CT_V1 — July 19, 2007″
says the only 21-year-old in the u.s. with a ’scooter shrine’ in the corner of his bedroom.
July 19th, 2007 at 1:38 pmWasn’t meant to be nice, sorry you took it that way.
I have had a lot of conversations with Bush apologists and asked why they support the little guy but have never heard a good reason. It’s typically along the lines of, he’s a “good man” and a Christian. Like the wife of the rapist, they can’t respond with facts and logic to counter the facts.
Care to give it a shot Ringo? Tell us why you think Bush is something besides a hay bale desperately in need of a broadhead? Or you can just call the 75% of Americans nutz and not worth the effort to educate us.
July 19th, 2007 at 1:39 pmWe are not in Iraq because of any personal vendetta. We are in Iraq because it is the center of the OIL. It has the second most oil in the world and sits in between #1 and #3. PNAC wrote this very plainly ten years ago. Go read what they said and who made up PNAC.
Cheney’s Energy Task Force divided Iraq’s oil fields into “exploration blocs” in March 2001.
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/211/466503255_f7bb4d5e85_o.jpg
July 19th, 2007 at 1:40 pmCT, The idea that anyone here is sympathetic to AQ is pathetic. I would have fully supported this president if he would have kept his eye on AQ and irradicated them instead of jumping into another country that wasn’t necessary.
You are blind. Another fact if you continue to believe the drivel you post.
July 19th, 2007 at 1:40 pmWhy we are in Iraq
http://www.frontpagemag.com/ Articles/ Printable.asp?ID=16103
By David Horowitz
He says it all, but I doubt you’ll even read it.
Intellectual curiosity has never been a trait of the Left.
Comment by Ringo
Clearly, you didn’t read it yourself or you’d know that the “essay” has nothing to do with “why we’re in Iraq” but rather how much Horowitz hates the anti-war movement.
Horowitz wouldn’t know the truth if it bit a chunk out of his arse. He’s intellectually dishonest and a vicious little creep.
July 19th, 2007 at 1:41 pmC**T V1 isn’t blind, it’s just a little C**T.
July 19th, 2007 at 1:42 pmHorowitz is an ex-Black Panther Marxist.
July 19th, 2007 at 1:43 pmAssociating intellectual curiosity with reading Horowitz, is like associating Saddam with 9/11.
July 19th, 2007 at 1:43 pmThe NIE just said they are not being ERADICATED, but are gaining strength. We have given them a training ground and recruiting tool. We removed Saddam Hussein who was doing an excellent job of suppressing them.
July 19th, 2007 at 1:46 pmnow that alkaida is in Iraq,
Comment by Mr. President’s Ringo CT — July 19, 2007 @ 1:43 pm
alkaida? Is that like alkaline? As in alkaline batteries?
July 19th, 2007 at 1:47 pmBecause, they sure do need some of them thar alkaida batteries, being that hardly any Iraqi citizen has electricity, for the last 4 flippin’ years!!!
When’s TP going to sell plushy Al-Qaeda dolls?
Tag line: “If you like the dolls, you’ll love them when you see them in-person at the TP newsroom. Drop by sometime.â€
Comment by CT_V1 — July 19, 2007 @ 1:35 pm
Can’t wait to buy them, eh? I can only assume you’re going to set them up to ambush your GI Joes and keep them in an unending war. Just like the real al-Qa’ida and the troops you despise so much.
July 19th, 2007 at 1:48 pmGood, so now that alkaida is in Iraq, you support the war effort to irradicate them.
Comment by Mr. President
Because “eradication” (that’s the word you wanted) has always worked so well with insurgencies, and because “al Qaeda in Iraq” makes up roughly 10% of the insurgents. Perhaps you would like to provide some examples of how eradication has worked in the past. You know, like Vietnam. Or like the Russians in Afghanistan. Or the US in the Philippines or the British in Malaya.
Feel free to provide citations and actual historical data, rather than childish histrionics about “irradicating alkaida”.
July 19th, 2007 at 1:48 pmFollow the money…
http://www.innercitypress.org/finwatch.html
July 19th, 2007 at 1:48 pmhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riggs_Bank
Groups like AQ do best in failed states. Bush has made Iraq the second worst failed state in the world—just behind Sudan.
July 19th, 2007 at 1:49 pmTell ya what Mr. President. I’m all for securing Iraq now that you have f%$ked it up so bad. Hand over the keys to the Speaker of the House and walk away. We’ll make sure there’s a footnote in history that isn’t blisteringly truthful about what a piss poor job you’ve done.
The AQin Iraq are not the ones who attacked us and you know that. But you are too scared to see that and too pig headed to admit you’ve been had by the current Mr. President.
So Mr. President don’t think you are the only one that can drive this. You have proven to be a terrible driver.
July 19th, 2007 at 1:58 pmSound familiar? Let’s play name that quote.
The sad thing is that all these people supporting everything the administration does are actually cheering for this war on the sidelines while they gladly let everyone else die for it. And even more insulting is that they claim to be great patriots.
July 19th, 2007 at 1:59 pmYo, Mr. President!!
July 19th, 2007 at 1:59 pmDan,
I think that quote may be attributed to a certain German from years past?
July 19th, 2007 at 2:03 pmWhat’s in a word? It’s clear that al-Qaeda no longer refers to a specific organization (if it ever did). That is clear from Tony Snow and from Think Progress. The US captures a senior insurgent leader and Think Progress headlines “Did WH politicize capture of top al-Qaeda leader?” What does Think Progress mean by al-Qaeda? It’s not Bin- Laden’s organization. Tony Snow is right that the al-Qaeda of 2001 does not exist. The term al-Qaeda has been converted into a marketing catch phrase that includes all terrorism. The organization still exists, but to call it al-Qaeda is now too broad (at least in the context of US domestic political discussion). Perhaps we should refer to “The Bin-Laden Orgnaization”.
July 19th, 2007 at 2:05 pmLet’s call it OBL’s Cabal. Or just like Get Smart’s arch enemyies. KAOS (or was it CHAOS, I forget).
By the way uncle bob. The person that was repoted captured doesn’t exist. A fictional face of AQ in Iraq.
July 19th, 2007 at 2:09 pmsymantics munchkins. Focus now on substance. You can do it. Just walk away from the kool aid dispenser, get some fresh air.
July 19th, 2007 at 2:10 pmWait, wait, wait.
If the “al Qaeda of 2001 no longer exists”, then the Authorization for Military Force is a nullity.
Put another way: we won!! So any further military action at this point has NOT been authorized by Congress, and is illegal.
Am I right?
July 19th, 2007 at 2:52 pmbest picture ever. can’t tell quite what he is trying to remove from his body, but you just don’t want to know
July 19th, 2007 at 2:53 pmTony actually goofed up and offered a valid fact. Al Q is an organismic structure which rapidly reacts and changes. Any business is different than it was in 2001, but especially one formed of small cells reacting to local conditions.
The place where he errs is in not understanding how much an advantage a flexible and maleable organization has over an entrenched, monolithic organization in combat. Look at the americans and French in the French-Indian war. Look at the underground organizations in WW II (and like Al Q, it would be a fatal mistake to suppose all the underground freedom fighters were formally associated into one structure).
The second error is forgetting how much the populace hates an occupying army J(even if it behaves impeccably – which ours hasn’t) and how this spurs recruitment for the underground.
July 19th, 2007 at 2:56 pmCT_V1 and the others here have labeled me a “libetard”,”defeatist”,”surrender monkey”, and much more. Maybe I am too daft to see the compliment in that. You may not have been talking directly to me, but you were referring to anyone with my opinions. I know that both sides do it, but one side is cheering to send more of my friends into combat.
The name calling is not what insults me. I didn’t start posting because my feelings were hurt. It is the message that truly insults me and all the service members – whether they support this occupation or not (most that I know don’t). They are more than willing to lay down their lives for this country; however, they are asked to risk everything. They have done MORE THAN THEIR SHARE. Meanwhile, those that are sitting in the comfort of their home, tirelessly banging on the war drums aren’t willing to give them a rest. They aren’t willing to sacrifice for a cause that they say is crucial to our survival.
This isn’t a game of Risk or Command and Conquer. There are 4-6 soldiers KILLED EVERY DAY and scores more being MUTILATED. They don’t have to luxury to sit behind a desk and shout for more blood, they are giving it.
There is plenty of proof displayed on this thread and the armchair warriors are content with parsing the quotes and missing the intent. Do you really think that this administration DID NOT INTEND for the American people to believe that Sadaam Hussein was involved in 9/11?
I don’t want an answer here because you have too much pride invested on this site; however, I would be very happy if you took a moment to look at the FACTS and arguments — on both sides. OBJECTIVELY ask yourself: who is selling something? Who is trying to scare you? I did and I have made my conclusions. I wake up everyday and wish I was wrong. I wish this was noble and justified. All I see is misdirection and misinformation.
You have the right to your opinion (at least for now), that is one of the things that make this country great; however, keep in mind that advocating this WAR as extremely urgent and necessary, but being unwilling to sacrifice when the military is short in number and being stressed beyond belief, is a slap in the face to everyone who is serving this country. Those who voluntarily serve have announced for decades that “you can sleep safely tonight, I am on watch”, but now when THEY need some assistance, you turn your back as you push them in front of the bus.
“Freedom is the flavor that the protected will never know” — UNKNOWN
July 19th, 2007 at 3:05 pmYou have the right to your opinion (at least for now), that is one of the things that make this country great; however, keep in mind that advocating this WAR as extremely urgent and necessary, but being unwilling to sacrifice when the military is short in number and being stressed beyond belief, is a slap in the face to everyone who is serving this country. Those who voluntarily serve have announced for decades that “you can sleep safely tonight, I am on watchâ€, but now when THEY need some assistance, you turn your back as you push them in front of the bus.
“Freedom is the flavor that the protected will never know†— UNKNOWN
Comment by DanCaveman — July 19, 2007 @ 3:05 pm
Every now and then someone posts a comment on this site that makes me want to stand up and cheer. This is one of those moments.
Thank you very much for your service to this country, both during and after your time in the military.
July 19th, 2007 at 3:15 pm“If Saddam Hussein continues to provide aid and support to the enemies that struck us on 9/11 he will pay the ultimate price.”
G.W. Bush
Hows that you intellectually crippled, Psycho-Christian, ass-nugget trolls.
July 19th, 2007 at 3:17 pmAgain, you miss the point. This is an OBVIOUS INTENTIONAL TIE to Iraq and Al Qaeda. This is more proof that Tony Snow is lying. Please see my other post to CT_V1 and others who insist on ignoring the facts.
I hope you take what I said to heart and begin to help restore this country to a world leader – NOT – world aggressor. When they come for you, there may not be any of us left to fight for you.
Sincerely,
Dan
July 19th, 2007 at 3:57 pmtoasterhead,
Thank you for your support, it is nice to see people here who truly care about what our flag stands for – not just in preserving the cloth.
July 19th, 2007 at 3:59 pmsome guy wrote a blog entry saying that there are no good democratic candidates for prez!!?? Obama, Clinton, Edwards? C’mon! http://www.mypetpeeves.com/plog/index.php/archives/2514 please help me out folks!
July 19th, 2007 at 4:00 pmDanCaveman is one of the more eloquent and enlightening posters. I appreciate all of the posts that stand up for this country.
July 19th, 2007 at 4:14 pmYou mean Tony “I Can’t Find My Ass With An Endoscope” Snow is telling us this? Well, it surely must be true.
July 19th, 2007 at 4:15 pmHey Ringo, try these on for size.
“The regime has longstanding and continuing ties to terrorist groups, and there are Al Qaida terrorists inside Iraq.†– George W. Bush Delivers Weekly Radio Address, White House (9/28/2002) – BushOnIraq.com
“We know that Iraq and al Qaeda have had high-level contacts that go back a decade. Some al Qaeda leaders who fled Afghanistan went to Iraq. These include one very senior al Qaeda leader who received medical treatment in Baghdad this year, and who has been associated with planning for chemical and biological attacks. We’ve learned that Iraq has trained al Qaeda members in bomb-making and poisons and deadly gases.†– President Bush Outlines Iraqi Threat; Remarks by the President on Iraq, White House (10/7/2002) – Whitehouse.gov
“I think they’re both equally important, and they’re both dangerous. And as I said in my speech in Cincinnati, we will fight if need be the war on terror on two fronts. We’ve got plenty of capacity to do so. And I also mentioned the fact that there is a connection between al Qaeda and Saddam Hussein. The war on terror, Iraq is a part on the war on terror. And he must disarm.†– President Condems Attack in Bali, White House (10/14/2002) – Whitehouse.gov
“This is a man who has got connections with Al Qaida. Imagine a terrorist network with Iraq as an arsenal and as a training ground, so that a Saddam Hussein could use this shadowy group of people to attack his enemy and leave no fingerprint behind. He’s a threat.†– Remarks by the President in Texas Welcome, White House (11/4/2002) – Whitehouse.gov
“He’s a threat because he is dealing with Al Qaida. In my Cincinnati speech I reminded the American people, a true threat facing our country is that an Al Qaida-type network trained and armed by Saddam could attack America and leave not one fingerprint.†– President Outlines Priorities, White House (11/7/2002) – BushOnIraq.gov
“He’s had contacts with Al Qaida. Imagine the scenario where an Al Qaida-type organization uses Iraq as an arsenal, a place to get weapons, a place to be trained to use the weapons. Saddam Hussein could use surrogates to come and attack people he hates.†– Remarks by the President at Arkansas Welcome, White House (11/4/2002) – BushOnIraq.com
There are oh, so many more. Wake up.
July 19th, 2007 at 4:21 pmEverything faded into mist. The past was erased, the erasure was forgotten, the lie became the truth.” George Orwell – 1984
July 19th, 2007 at 4:26 pmThis is good stuff. The administration is right back where they were in summer 2001 – denying that al-Qaeda is a threat and doing nothing about it.
And the bit about al-Qaeda wanting us to leave Iraq… I’m not sure aobut this. They’re kind of in a win-win. If we stay, it’s great for recruiting and they can kill Americans without having to buy airline tickets. If we leave, they can claim they drove us out of Iraq. Besides the obvious strategic victory that would be, a successful resistance against a western power also helps recruitment. Then again, the majority Iraqi population will likely turn on al-Qaeda if we go, depriving them of any real strategic gains.
But either way, we should just be doing the opposite of what al-Qaeda wants us to do. $10 says they don’t want us to nuke the Masjid al-Haram during Ramadan. I think we can all agree that’s a bad idea.
July 19th, 2007 at 4:33 pmMore for Ringo:
(Campaign speeches only. For period of October 10 – November 04.)
OCT 28 Remarks by the President at New Mexico Welcome
“This is a person who has had contacts with al Qaeda.â€
OCT 28 Remarks by the President in Colorado Welcome
“He’s got connections with al Qaeda.â€
OCT 31 Remarks by the President at South Dakota Welcome
“This is a guy who has had connections with these shadowy terrorist networks.â€
NOV 01 Remarks by the President at New Hampshire Welcome
“We know he’s got ties with al Qaeda.â€
NOV 02 Remarks by the President in Florida Welcome
“We know that he’s had connections with al Qaeda.â€
NOV 02 Remarks by the President in Atlanta, Georgia Welcome
“He’s had connections with shadowy terrorist networks like al Qaeda.â€
NOV 02 Remarks by the President at Tennessee Welcome
“We know that he has had contacts with terrorist networks like al Qaeda.â€
NOV 03 Remarks by the President in Minnesota Welcome
“This is a man who has had contacts with al Qaeda.â€
NOV 04 Remarks by the President at Missouri Welcome
“This is a man who has had al Qaeda connections.â€
NOV 04 Remarks by the President at Arkansas Welcome
“He’s had contacts with al Qaeda.â€
NOV 04 Remarks by the President in Texas Welcome
July 19th, 2007 at 5:15 pm“This is a man who has got connections with al Qaeda.â€
“Evidence from intelligence sources, secret communications, and statements by people now in custody reveal that Saddam Hussein aids and protects terrorists, including members of al Qaeda. Secretly, and without fingerprints, he could provide one of his hidden weapons to terrorists, or help develop their own.†– President Delivers “State of the Unionâ€, White House (1/28/2003) – Whitehouse.gov
“Before September the 11th, many in the world believed that Saddam Hussein could be contained. But chemical agents, lethal viruses, and shadowy terrorist networks are not easily contained. Imagine those 19 hijackers with other weapons and other planes — this time armed by Saddam Hussein. It would take one vial, one canister, one crate slipped into this country to bring a day of horror like none we have ever known.†– President Delivers “State of the Unionâ€, White House (1/28/2003) – Whitehouse.gov
“Saddam Hussein has longstanding, direct and continuing ties to terrorist networks. Senior members of Iraqi intelligence and al Qaeda have met at least eight times since the early 1990s. Iraq has sent bomb-making and document forgery experts to work with al Qaeda. Iraq has also provided al Qaeda with chemical and biological weapons training. We also know that Iraq is harboring a terrorist network, headed by a senior al Qaeda terrorist planner.†– President Bush: “World Can Rise to This Momentâ€, White House (2/6/2003) – Whitehouse.gov
Saddam Hussein has longstanding, direct and continuing ties to terrorist networks. Senior members of Iraq intelligence and al Qaeda have met at least eight times since the early 1990s. Iraq has sent bomb-making and document forgery experts to work with al Qaeda. Iraq has also provided al Qaeda with chemical and biological weapons training. And an al Qaeda operative was sent to Iraq several times in the late 1990s for help in aquiring poisons and gases. We also know that Iraq is harboring a terrorist network headed by a senior al Qaeda terrorist planner.†– President’s Radio Address, White House (2/8/2003) – BushOnIraq.com
July 19th, 2007 at 5:19 pm“He has trained and financed al Qaeda-type organizations before, al Qaeda and other terrorist organizations.†– President George Bush Discusses Iraq in National Press Conference, White House (3/6/2003) – BushOnIraq.com
“The regime . . . has aided, trained and harbored terrorists, including operatives of al Qaeda. The danger is clear: using chemical, biological or, one day, nuclear weapons, obtained with the help of Iraq, the terrorists could fulfill their stated ambitions and kill thousands or hundreds of thousands of innocent people in our country, or any other.†President Says Saddam Hussein Must Leave Iraq Within 48 Hours, White House (3/17/2003) -BushOnIraq.com
“The liberation of Iraq is a crucial advance in the campaign against terror. We’ve removed an ally of al Qaeda, and cut off a source of terrorist funding. And this much is certain: No terrorist network will gain weapons of mass destruction from the Iraqi regime, because the regime is no more.†– President Bush Announces Major Combat Operations in Iraq Have Ended, White House (5/1/2003) – BushOnIraq.com
“The battle of Iraq is one victory in a war on terror that began on September the 11, 2001 — and still goes on. That terrible morning, 19 evil men — the shock troops of a hateful ideology — gave America and the civilized world a glimpse of their ambitions. They imagined, in the words of one terrorist, that September the 11th would be the ‘beginning of the end of America.’ By seeking to turn our cities into killing fields, terrorists and their allies believed that they could destroy this nation’s resolve, and force our retreat from the world. They have failed.†– President Bush Announces Major Combat Operations in Iraq Have Ended, White House (5/1/2003) – BushOnIraq.com
Only the most complete koolaid-slurping stooge can deny the FACT that Bush Administration rhetoric, from the start, INTENTIONALLY commingled Hussein, Al Queda, and 911, and used that propaganda to fuel the prevailing mood as cover for an unprovoked attack, conquest, and occupation of Iraq.
You can keep pressing the same talking points, propaganda, and Big Lie denials, but doing so here is a waste of your time. Ringo, nobody here will buy your garbage, so you’d do better to peddle it elsewhere.
And again, this is only a small sampling. There is oh, so much more, available to those with eyes to see and ears to listen.
July 19th, 2007 at 5:25 pmgot mets, Tony?
July 20th, 2007 at 1:50 amOk Mr. President,
I am going to attempt to respond to your post because you actually made sense and have a made a logical point.
First, your claim is not completely accurate. The quotes that gorn diligently provided does not ONLY say that Sadaam has ties to organization LIKE Al Qaeda. He does in many quotes, but in many others, he says outright that he has DIRECT TIES TO AL Qaeda. NOT some unknown little group LIKE Al Qaeda.
Second, you are right that the exact words “[Hussein] played a role 9/11″; however, since he often and continually said (many times in the same speech) that Sadaam had direct and continuing ties (before, during, and after 9/11) to Al Qaeda AND Al Qaeda is responsible for 9/11, then by the transitive property Sadaam had a role in it. Essentially if Sadaam had a role in Al Qaeda, and Al Qaeda is FULLY responsible for 9/11, then Sadaam had a role in 9/11. By mentioning all three OVER AND OVER AGAIN in the same speeches – especially speeches regarding WHY WE ATTACKED IRAQ, he is intentionally making the connection.
Finally, every one of the statements concerning Sadaam, Iraq, and Al Qaeda is false and was known to be so before 2002 when most of these quotes were uttered. OUR OWN intelligence agencies were telling the president that a working relationship between Sadaam and Al Qaeda did not exist.
Please read my other post. The point is that they wanted us to believe there was a link when they knew otherwise. Because of their 30,000 or more of our troops physically suffering. Many more with non visible scars. In addition to the almost 4000 killed FOR A LIE
Stop splitting hairs and look at the intent. They wanted war with Iraq – they didn’t have good reason – they made these connections to justify it.
July 20th, 2007 at 8:20 amSNOW: “The al-Qaeda of 2001 no longer exists.â€
FACT: The al Qaeda of 2001 is based in Afghanistan and is regenerating — while U.S. forces are mired in Iraq’s civil war.
The source you cite for this dubious “fact” contains no such claim or statement. In fact, is there such a thing as even one report from anybody (even a newspaper) in the past 5 years that has claimed such a thing ?
July 21st, 2007 at 1:38 amNo ? So you’re just lying then ?